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Ask me about Calvinism
« on: November 27, 2020, 10:35:13 AM »
I took some time to research Calvinist theology and I would say I’m leaning toward this doctrine more than Arminian.

I used to believe that Christ atoned for all people. I now accepted Christ death is only for the elect and I’ll tell you why.

If Christ died for all people, then that means all people would be saved. If some people end up in hell, then that means Christ death didn’t include them in the atonement. If Jesus Christ suffered for all, but only some people believe and the rest are lost, then that means Christ suffered for nothing.

For example, we read in scripture in 1 Tim that God desires all to be saved right? Does all include everyone? Or only the believers?

Here is where the paradox lies. God desires for all to be saved, but yet He has only elected some. This means that what God has plan is not always what He desire.

Once you study more in depth you will understand why Reformed theology makes more sense.



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Re: Ask me about Calvinism
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2020, 12:00:35 PM »
Christianty is a white man religion

For hundreds of years
Thousands of years

The hmong people did just fine




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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2020, 12:16:32 PM »
Christianty is a white man religion

For hundreds of years
Thousands of years

The hmong people did just fine

Can you stay out of my thread it’s off topic



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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2020, 02:25:00 PM »
In reformed theology, it is God who work through the sinner and regenerate him unto faith. The reason for this is that unregenerate people cannot have faith. Think about your own life before you came to believe in Christ. The Bible says you were dead in your sins and God made you alive. In the Arminian theology it teaches that your free-will leads you to Christ, which is false. I know I used say that. But if you think about it biblically before the person come to Christ he is still lost. He may have free choice, but he never chooses God because in his old nature he is still hostile and in rebellion towards God. That choice can only be given to them after they are regenerate.

Read the story in John 8 concerning Jesus when He speaks of the Truth that shall set you free. Jesus said if the Son sets you free, you are free indeed. Then you’ll know.



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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2020, 04:00:29 PM »
In reformed theology, it is God who work through the sinner and regenerate him unto faith. The reason for this is that unregenerate people cannot have faith. Think about your own life before you came to believe in Christ. The Bible says you were dead in your sins and God made you alive. In the Arminian theology it teaches that your free-will leads you to Christ, which is false. I know I used say that. But if you think about it biblically before the person come to Christ he is still lost. He may have free choice, but he never chooses God because in his old nature he is still hostile and in rebellion towards God. That choice can only be given to them after they are regenerate.

Read the story in John 8 concerning Jesus when He speaks of the Truth that shall set you free. Jesus said if the Son sets you free, you are free indeed. Then you’ll know.

What if you are like me
Who never came to christ

I think my life right now is pretty good
House paid for
Beautiful wife
Got cars and money

All these stuff from a non believer




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Re: Ask me about Calvinism
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2020, 04:12:29 PM »

If Christ died for all people, then that means all people would be saved. If some people end up in hell, then that means Christ death didn’t include them in the atonement. If Jesus Christ suffered for all, but only some people believe and the rest are lost, then that means Christ suffered for nothing.



Where is your proof that people end up in hell???
Or heaven

Cmon now
That just crazy talk



Soooooo

Like me ask you this
Where do the hmong people go when they die
Before the white man religion

???



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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2020, 04:59:12 PM »
What if you are like me
Who never came to christ

I think my life right now is pretty good
House paid for
Beautiful wife
Got cars and money

All these stuff from a non believer

When Jesus died on the cross, He paid the sins and redeem future people (the elect) who is not yet born. The elect will one day come to have faith. But until they believe they are still under God’s wrath like everyone else. Lost people are actually God’s elect who one day will come to have faith in His timing. The others are simply lost and will remain so.


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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2020, 05:25:34 PM »
When Jesus died on the cross, He paid the sins and redeem future people (the elect) who is not yet born. The elect will one day come to have faith. But until they believe they are still under God’s wrath like everyone else. Lost people are actually God’s elect who one day will come to have faith in His timing. The others are simply lost and will remain so.

before the white man french came to laos in the 1900s and start spreading christ around
the hmong people did pretty good man
yeah... they were poor
but they were not like starving or anything

this has goes on for hundred and thousand of years






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Re: Ask me about Calvinism
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2020, 06:47:44 PM »
I think my life right now is pretty good

He call this "pretty good"  ;D:

MY LAZY BROKE ASS

He claimed to be an "atheist" but also asked others to "PRAY" for him due to his miserable life  ;D:

We great yet????
Still furloughed
Unemployment checks running out this month

PRAY FOR ME YO!!!!!


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Re: Ask me about Calvinism
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2020, 06:52:34 PM »
I took some time to research Calvinist theology and I would say I’m leaning toward this doctrine more than Arminian.

Cool, knowledge is a good thing so keep on "learning".. 8)



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Re: Ask me about Calvinism
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2020, 09:39:05 PM »
Can you stay out of my thread it’s off topic

 ;D hmgROCK was known for his trolliness.



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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2020, 09:41:59 PM »

Soooooo

Like me ask you this
Where do the hmong people go when they die
Before the white man religion

???

Go and research first then let us know what you found out.  ;D



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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2020, 09:57:28 PM »
Go and research first then let us know what you found out.  ;D

The french came and colonized indochina
Like laos

Forced the hmong to farm opium
Introduced Christ


Before all that
Hmong folks practice shaman

Spirits, monster, yer shao and all that jazz



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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2020, 10:00:26 PM »
I say both Calvinism and Arminianism aren't so different from Jehovoah Witnesses.
  • using theology to determine where will we go to after we die
  • using the bible to teach instead of words of mouth from actual holy spirit



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Re: Ask me about Calvinism
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2020, 10:02:33 PM »
Im asking good questions
Since you study christ elect

How do you know us hmong are elected????
What about the one that still practice shaman??



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