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Re: We have to be more romantic to keep our dates.
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2022, 06:42:39 AM »
See hereís the thing. Hmong girls are conservative so sex is highly unlikely to happen. Asian girls has the anti-slut mechanism. They get butt hurt easy and they donít understand sarcasm. Everything you say they took it as an insult. Thatís based on my experience. Iím not saying all Asian girls are like that, but I think sex can only happen to certain girls.

But if weíre talking Meka dawb itís waay harder to get sex as an Asian guy. Sometime if a woman is attracted to you sex can happen on the first date, but you have to know how the game works in order to lead the interaction to get sex. Even if the girl is attracted to you, if you donít know what to say to get her wet and talk about stupid irrelevant stuff that doesnít lead you toward the sex the girl will get bored and leave.

When it comes to online texting, I can get girls to open on the first message easy. You have to set the frame sexually right from the start if youíre looking to hookup. You have to know how to open, how to qualify her, then how to number closed. I usually move the conversation on the app to phone. Thereís a method I personally follow that works for me. Even sugar dating is still tough for me. I still have to put in the effort and make them interested to get the date. Getting the match is the hardest.

Looks like a lot of work involved.

I guess if someone is just interested in sex, one might go that extent.

Ok. So, you have trained to do what a man needs to do.

I keep thinking, the chicks need the sex and love, too. They had better  know how to hook us or we'd just move to other girls.



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Re: We have to be more romantic to keep our dates.
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2022, 11:23:18 AM »
Looks like a lot of work involved.

I guess if someone is just interested in sex, one might go that extent.

Ok. So, you have trained to do what a man needs to do.

I keep thinking, the chicks need the sex and love, too. They had better  know how to hook us or we'd just move to other girls.

Iíve had 2 meets but didnít work out. It took me 3 months to find my first SB.

I donít like an arrangement thatís surrounded by sex only. If I wanted only sex I would see an escort.

I enjoy spending time together inside and outside of the bedroom where we have a real relationship and doing normal activities. Sometimes if we decided not to go out, we just stay indoor and dine in watching Netflix. We donít have sex every time and she still gets her allowance. We are in it for 3 years so we already build enough trust. I wonít do that if Iím just starting out. 

The love part is true, I agree. My SB gives me attention and sends me text every other day. I also give her affection. Doesnít mean she no longer has bills lol.




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Re: We have to be more romantic to keep our dates.
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2022, 02:36:58 PM »
I donít like an arrangement thatís surrounded by sex only. If I wanted only sex I would see an escort.

I enjoy spending time together inside and outside of the bedroom where we have a real relationship and doing normal activities.

If the "allowance" is right, an "escort" can spend time with you inside and outside of the bedroom too...

Money talks when it comes to most escorts' time just like sugar babies...Some buyers don't even want "sex" at all, they paid those girls just for their time.

I know a guy that paid an escort to be his fake girlfriend at a wedding just to impress others. Once the wedding is over, they went their separate ways, no sex involved, just time..



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Re: We have to be more romantic to keep our dates.
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2022, 06:50:59 PM »
If the "allowance" is right, an "escort" can spend time with you inside and outside of the bedroom too...

Money talks when it comes to most escorts' time just like sugar babies...Some buyers don't even want "sex" at all, they paid those girls just for their time.

I know a guy that paid an escort to be his fake girlfriend at a wedding just to impress others. Once the wedding is over, they went their separate ways, no sex involved, just time..

Yes you can take some escorts out on dates. But she does that has her job. You are just paying for her service.

A sugar baby is someone that receive financial support from someone she is dating. My SB texts me good morning and misses me. She also cooks for me. An escort doesnít do any of that.



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Re: We have to be more romantic to keep our dates.
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2022, 10:49:10 PM »
My SB texts me good morning and misses me. She also cooks for me. An escort doesnít do any of that.

Like sugar babies, if escorts are paid enough, I bet they'll have no problems doing those things either as money talks when it comes to many of those in the escorts and sugar baby segments and their services.



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Re: We have to be more romantic to keep our dates.
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2022, 08:32:27 AM »
Cool.

Iíve had 2 meets but didnít work out. It took me 3 months to find my first SB.

I donít like an arrangement thatís surrounded by sex only. If I wanted only sex I would see an escort.

I enjoy spending time together inside and outside of the bedroom where we have a real relationship and doing normal activities. Sometimes if we decided not to go out, we just stay indoor and dine in watching Netflix. We donít have sex every time and she still gets her allowance. We are in it for 3 years so we already build enough trust. I wonít do that if Iím just starting out. 

The love part is true, I agree. My SB gives me attention and sends me text every other day. I also give her affection. Doesnít mean she no longer has bills lol.



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Re: We have to be more romantic to keep our dates.
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2022, 06:23:41 PM »
Cool.

Without an emotional connection itís simply never work even if you are paying. Most arrangement just fizzles out.



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Re: We have to be more romantic to keep our dates.
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2022, 06:44:11 PM »
Like sugar babies, if escorts are paid enough, I bet they'll have no problems doing those things either as money talks when it comes to many of those in the escorts and sugar baby segments and their services.

Money is necessary in sugar dating, but itís not sufficient. Most SBs have to find you attractive. Many are not just gonna have a sugar relationship with anyone that can pay them. Theyíre going to look more than just your ppm or whatever. Theyíre gonna want to see if youíre a good fit, your looks, your personality etc. But most sugar relationship donít begin unless there is agreement on provision. An escort usually has too many high body counts with random dudes because the volume is higher.



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Re: We have to be more romantic to keep our dates.
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2022, 11:40:52 PM »
Money is necessary in sugar dating, but itís not sufficient. Most SBs have to find you attractive. Many are not just gonna have a sugar relationship with anyone that can pay them. Theyíre going to look more than just your ppm or whatever. Theyíre gonna want to see if youíre a good fit, your looks, your personality etc. But most sugar relationship donít begin unless there is agreement on provision. An escort usually has too many high body counts with random dudes because the volume is higher.

Whether money alone is sufficient, that depends on the sugar baby/escort. I disagree with the "Most SBs have to find you attractive" point as that's not their main objective. Their main objective when they signed up to be a sugar baby is support usually in the form of monetary (cash) or material (gift). I will say that a small number of sugar babies will have to be attractive to their sugar daddies just like a small number of escorts have to be attractive to their Johns before they agree to engage in a session or date. Some will even put down who they'll see and who they won't on their ads to be clear and upfront.

There may be a few minor subtle differences between sugar babies and escorts here and there but the main premise of them receiving support and/or getting paid for their time and companionship is the same concept and no it doesn't necessarily have to involve sex nor intimacy in every case. 

Like some sugar babies, some escorts have also been able to develop long-term relationships with their Johns and some have even gone as far as married their Johns in the process.


I agree with this study as they pointed out the subtle differences but in conclusion, it still falls under the same umbrella:

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The practice of prostitution in various forms in a country, including in France, cannot be avoided, as is the form of its
promotion. For example, through trucks around universities in Paris that promote a sugar dating site. With the rise of
sugar dating advertisements in society, sugar dating has become public consumption because it is considered to change
the concept of escort which is part of the elegant side of prostitution. This study attempts to investigate the factors that
motivate university students to decide to practice sugar dating. Moreover, this study aims at finding whether sugar dating
itself is a part of prostitution and its position in front of French Laws. Using the qualitative method of Wahidmurni and
Faircloughís Critical Discourse Analysis, the work shows differences in practices between sugar baby and conventional
prostitution. Moreover, the findings show that sugar baby practice is a form of prostitution and is punishable under
French law.

....This study found that economic factors were the
main reason behind the practice of sugar baby among
university students in France. Other factors are the desire
to achieve higher social strata and access to the upper
classes. This can be seen from the testimonies of the
babies and also the fact that sugar baby customers in
France are generally executives whose income is far
above average. Students who do this practice generally
use intermediary sugar dating sites that are considered
safe and provide a lot of convenience in selecting
customers and setting rates. The relationship between a
sugar baby and sugar daddy/mommy is also generally
sustainable. This makes it possible to give gifts beyond
the agreed rate, which are usually in the form of luxury
goods. This is what mainly makes sugar babies actors feel
different from conventional prostitution workers.
France's 2016 prostitution law has so far not been able to
address paid dating via websites because the majority are
based abroad and are easy to reopen if blocked by the
government. The activity of exchanging money and
sexual services included in sugar baby services makes
this practice the same as conventional prostitution as
stated in the definition of prostitution in la Chambre
criminelle du 27 mars 1996 so that it must be eliminated,
following the French prostitution law 2016 and its
abolitionist nature. Yet, it cannot be realized.
Furthermore, the problem of human trafficking is also
increasingly difficult to overcome with sophisticated
technology that offers convenience in the practice of
prostitution and paid dating services without prior
physical meetings.



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Re: We have to be more romantic to keep our dates.
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2022, 07:58:25 AM »
Whether money alone is sufficient, that depends on the sugar baby/escort. I disagree with the "Most SBs have to find you attractive" point as that's not their main objective. Their main objective when they signed up to be a sugar baby is support usually in the form of monetary (cash) or material (gift).

Itís really a personal decision. Some sugar babies need to find you attractive, have chemistry and an emotion connection before they get intimate, others do not.

Escorts donít usually factor in looks or personality. They only screen the guy. Youíll find a number of women on sugar sites who are escorts and not really a SB. Just like on Tinder youíll find a few number of women who are not looking to date you, but will try to sell you their services through web cams or Only Fans. So thereís a mixture of escorts and SBs.

A John is not even a sugar daddy. Sugar daddy do not see prostitutes. Johns are just looking for sex.

To me the difference is the behaviors and activities. Both escorts and SBs have different behaviors. I personally prefer SBs over escorts. Escorts donít communicate with you in between meets. They avoid these things. You only call when you ready to go do the deed. My SB and I communicate between meets and are in constant communication. She donít charge me per hour. She donít look at the clock. So many things to lay down here but I think you get it.


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Re: We have to be more romantic to keep our dates.
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2022, 07:58:58 AM »
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Re: We have to be more romantic to keep our dates.
« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2022, 11:05:16 AM »
I still cringed   :2funny:

Although the practice should not be illegal, I believe it to be a illness of our times. As a young man myself, who has given careful consideration to the type of individual he wishes to become, I personally find any man, who sees women as a commodity in this way, to be reprehensible.

The downfall of our society is that is it transfixed with the concept of youth - Anti-wrinkle creams, being Ďyoung at heartí, 40 is the new 30 etc. Gone are the days where individuals lived their lives to become wise, responsible and able to provide the youth of today with a framework for a respectable way of Being.

These men, it appears, are unable to hold down a relationship with a women of their own age, most likely because they are emotionally and spiritually immature and of course insecure. They need their egoís to be stroked by having a younger women by their side who they can control and dictate to due to their financial situation.

Of course there are circumstances where certain women may have Ďgoodí experiences within this field of work, and indeed gain a feeling of empowerment from it. However most of the time, sadly, this is not the case.

Women should indeed be free to make any choice they wish, however with this freedom comes responsibility to make the right choice. It makes me sad that these women are willing to become commodified for the use of men, it also makes me sad that our society contains men who have remained adolescent, child-men, victims of their peter-pan syndrome, unable to show the young men of today a successful and decent way to act.

These are the reasons I believe the practice to be wrong.

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Re: We have to be more romantic to keep our dates.
« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2022, 11:32:37 AM »
Itís really a personal decision. Some sugar babies need to find you attractive, have chemistry and an emotion connection before they get intimate, others do not.

Escorts donít usually factor in looks or personality. They only screen the guy. Youíll find a number of women on sugar sites who are escorts and not really a SB. Just like on Tinder youíll find a few number of women who are not looking to date you, but will try to sell you their services through web cams or Only Fans. So thereís a mixture of escorts and SBs.

A John is not even a sugar daddy. Sugar daddy do not see prostitutes. Johns are just looking for sex.

To me the difference is the behaviors and activities. Both escorts and SBs have different behaviors. I personally prefer SBs over escorts. Escorts donít communicate with you in between meets. They avoid these things. You only call when you ready to go do the deed. My SB and I communicate between meets and are in constant communication. She donít charge me per hour. She donít look at the clock. So many things to lay down here but I think you get it.

Correction:

Attraction is not necessary if there is a contract involved.  You are setting up an allowance with terms and she is just playing the actress role to get payed.  This is why it is legal to be in a SB/SD relationship.  Even the website is advertising money in exchange for "gifts"... vs escort is money in exchange for sex

50% of the SB job is to fake the funk like giving you emotional support, something  you can not get or lacking in your life.  Is the term for her not to have other Sugar daddy?  She is free to get as many clients as she wants.  It is still legal to be a gold digger. 

Bottom line, she needs her bills payed and you need that emotional support.  There is something wrong with the both of yall.  Both of you guys are faking the funk so might as well go to hollywood and make a career out of it.  She is calling and texting you with sweet stuff right?  It comes with the job.  Keep them allowance coming and if you put me on your allowance, I'll text you day and night too.   ;D



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« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2022, 05:11:20 AM »
Correction:

Attraction is not necessary if there is a contract involved.  You are setting up an allowance with terms and she is just playing the actress role to get payed.  This is why it is legal to be in a SB/SD relationship.  Even the website is advertising money in exchange for "gifts"... vs escort is money in exchange for sex

50% of the SB job is to fake the funk like giving you emotional support, something  you can not get or lacking in your life.  Is the term for her not to have other Sugar daddy?  She is free to get as many clients as she wants.  It is still legal to be a gold digger. 

Bottom line, she needs her bills payed and you need that emotional support.  There is something wrong with the both of yall.  Both of you guys are faking the funk so might as well go to hollywood and make a career out of it.  She is calling and texting you with sweet stuff right?  It comes with the job.  Keep them allowance coming and if you put me on your allowance, I'll text you day and night too.   ;D

Sounds like you donít go out and do normal activities.

I would say most arrangements are straight sex for money arrangement. It works best if both of you are clear on expectations. How often do you guys text or talk on the phone between meets.

I see my SB once or twice a week and we are on allowance.

The problem can also be that you didnít pay her enough so she feels like her needs arenít being met so she has to go see other SDs. Itís common for this to happen because women has needs and 1 SD canít fulfill all of them. If we arenít exclusive I can do the same too. I can see other women.  Itís just that the SD have to invest a lot more to secure exclusivity. You have to know how much she is getting from the other 1-2 SDs she is seeing. If she stop seeing them she no longer has income so you need to close that gap. You are competing with other daddies lol. If you are on the lower end of the budget then sheís placing her priorities somewhere else. Sheís prioritizing the one that is given her more money.


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Re: We have to be more romantic to keep our dates.
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2022, 10:52:13 PM »

A John is not even a sugar daddy. Sugar daddy do not see prostitutes. Johns are just looking for sex.

A John can be a sugar daddy and a sugar daddy can also see prostitutes. Some Johns are looking for other services besides sex, for example the guy I know that hired an escort in a pinch to be his fake girlfriend at a wedding. Once the wedding is over, they part ways, no sex involved in that pay for time and companionship business transaction.

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To me the difference is the behaviors and activities. Both escorts and SBs have different behaviors. I personally prefer SBs over escorts. Escorts donít communicate with you in between meets. They avoid these things. You only call when you ready to go do the deed. My SB and I communicate between meets and are in constant communication. She donít charge me per hour. She donít look at the clock. So many things to lay down here but I think you get it.

Again, Escorts can communicate with you in between meets too if the money or gift is right. And as I've pointed out, some have even gone as far as marrying their regulars.


As stated, there are a few subtle differences between sugar babies and escorts but the business premise is pretty much the same, their clients pay them for their time. There are also a few subtle differences between escorts and conventional prostitutes say a street walker for example but at the end of the day, the clients still paid them for their time and pretty all 3 falls under the same umbrella, sex industry:






IMO, they should just legalize "the oldest profession in the world" because it's gonna go on regardless of the legality status of that activity. At least if they legalize it, it could be much safer for all parties involved and generate some public resources such as tax, licensing fees, etc.


I have no issues with those that participate in the sex industry either as I've done it myself during my younger years. As long as the business transaction is between two consenting adults, it's all good IMO. And I've pointed that out several times on PH in the past... O0


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