Pajntaub Alphabet - Ntaub Ntawv Hmoob (Ancient Hmong Writing System?)

[zoov]

i wonder if Yuephen know of this Ntaub system well he prefer Soom Lwj's over this one? which one should we use to replace tus ntawm no i would very much love to replace it with our own distinct character .

[Swordplay]

i wonder if Yuephen know of this Ntaub system well he prefer Soom Lwj's over this one? which one should we use to replace tus ntawm no i would very much love to replace it with our own distinct character .

You can ask Yuepheng. You mean to replace the RPA system? I think too many people are too comfortable with the RPA system, the change will be difficult to adapt to. We'll just have to wait and see how things go on from here, most people don't even know about the ancient writing system.

[honeexiong]

i wonder what the curly E sign stands for? hmm...

[zoov]

NVM

[chidorix0x]

Swordplay,
I'm new to this forum so I haven't figured out how to PM yet so I'm asking you in public instead. You mentioned that you knew someone who can read, write, and teach the Hmong acient scripts. I'd very much like to meet, talk, and hopefully learn from him/her.

This is the first time I have ever heard of or known about actual literary works being produced. It is very interesting and I would very much like to learn from this individual. Can you please PM me with their contact info?

Thanks in advance.

[Swordplay]

Swordplay,
I'm new to this forum so I haven't figured out how to PM yet so I'm asking you in public instead. You mentioned that you knew someone who can read, write, and teach the Hmong acient scripts. I'd very much like to meet, talk, and hopefully learn from him/her.

This is the first time I have ever heard of or known about actual literary works being produced. It is very interesting and I would very much like to learn from this individual. Can you please PM me with their contact info?

Thanks in advance.

He's a very private person, he prefers that I get your contact info and he'll contact you. Would that be alright? I'm glad to know you have an interest in learning about it.

[chidorix0x]

He's a very private person, he prefers that I get your contact info and he'll contact you. Would that be alright? I'm glad to know you have an interest in learning about it.

I sent you a PM. Did you not get it? If you did, reply and I'll be glad to give you my contact info. Again, thanks.

[Mark D]

wow, i love that

It would make for a nice fullsize back tatoo...

[Lady_Fallin]

Not sure exactly, but I think they're pretty ancient...like ly around the time when the Hmong were enslaved and were not allowed to read or write...but luckily the women hid the alphabet in their clothes and textile arts so that future generations may know...

This is probably why the elders keep on telling you to "rau siab kawm ntaub, kawm ntawv".

Wow if you translate that into english, it fits soperfectly.":Learn the cloth, learn the letters."

[ajlee912]

I admit that I am very amazed at this. But really- HOW MANY MORE ALPHABETS DO THE HMONG HAVE? This is the 3rd one already. There's the Ntawv Koob Hmoov, Pahawb Hmong, and now this?

There's probably more out there than you can imagine. Say, how many clans are there? White, black, green, stripes, etc. There's probably one for each clan.

[Curious Vaj]

Anyone remember who posted these charts on the Pajntaub alphabet?






The following was added by our PH Moderators:
Note: The surrounding paj ntaub art is made up of individual symbols that can also be found in the charts. Same goes with traditional Hmong flower cloth.

Picture #2 removed to save space.


This link should take you to a larger version of the image: http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x101/ThaNeng/3HmongWritingSounds.jpg

FAQ
Q: Is this the written language Shong Lue Yang put together? The one the Chao Fa use? The one also known as the Pahawh Hmong Alphabet?
A: No, this is the ancient Hmong writing system the Hmong queen requested to be preserved on the flower cloth (paj ntaub) when defeat of the Hmong Kingdom was known to be inevitable. Elders stress this Hmong Kingdom was known as the Chu Kingdom in Chinese History books, but until more evidence can be found we can only call it a "theory".
More information on Shong Lue Yang's writing can be found here: http://www.omniglot.com/writing/hmong.htm
Information on other writing systems for the Hmong can be found here: http://hmoobvwj.com/qauv/ntawv/hmoob/index.php (They seem confused as to who made which and when)

Q: When was this writing created and by who?
A: The elder who drew up the images to help the new generations understand says it was already in use when the first wars broke out between the Chinese and Hmong. Earliest war is estimated around 2700-3000BC. (Approximately 5,000 years ago). Exactly who invented it we don't know, it's possible ancient sciptures, scrolls, or books still hold this writing but we haven't come across any yet.

Quick Facts
As noted by Mark D "rau siab kawm ntaub, kawm ntawv" today means "do well in school" but it translates into English as "learn the cloth, learn the writing"




A discussion about the Chu Kingdom is taking place here: http://www.pebhmong.com/forum/index.php?topic=51504.0

Further discussions about this writing system is taking place here: http://www.hmongza.com/index.php?showtopic=17512

HOLY SHIT...WOW!

Hey, I have a question...Did Hmong ever had a dynasty or an empire like Ireland?

It's good to be a savage because we fight like a savage. That is why we kick white people's butt at school when they start to talk something bad from our backs, lmao! JK JK...just stereotyping, lmao!

[Curious Vaj]

What year were these Hmong ancient alphabets written and by whom?

Shong Lue Yang, aka: Niam Ntaub, aka English: Mother of Writing...

[NceegVaj]

Wow, good stuff but it just made Hmong that much more confused.

I learned Latin Hmoob, Pahawh, and now I need to learn this?  Let's see...for this to succeed we need a nation first.  On second thought, I would love to see more evidence and elaboration on the "cloth" and the "characters".   Looks exotic and funky....

[NceegVaj]

His monotone might bore some people but the 7 video clips are very informative. It's too bad most questions people ask are already answered within those 7 video clips.

THanks for the link.  I am very very very skeptical if these were legitimate teachings.  Seems to me that I can also develop my very own Hmong writing system.  It is especially true after I studied and learned how the Pahauh system work.  For example:

Keeb Keem keej Keev Kee Kees Keeg==> I can use whatever symbols I like to represent these tones.

Vaus Nraus Fau ===> I can use whatever characters to represent these tones.

If I want write a word that sounds "NREEB"  all I have to do is combine the symbol used for KEEB + NRAUS = NREEB.

You see what I mean?    I can appreciate a legitimate system but man---we have to stop these "Desegregation of Hmong".  It's been like this since ancient time isn't it?

[EternIty]

Username,

I like you.  Keep up the good work!. .. . . You are a true Hmoob patriot.