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« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2010, 04:41:23 PM » |
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The Chu kingdom is your mom and dad  LOL...and hmong people are a long lost tribe of Israel  It's an analogy you idiot. You're just another example of stupid Hmong men. |
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« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2010, 12:04:24 PM » |
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I would like to research further into the story of Tswb Choj. I've read a little about the Chu kingdom & the mummy of Lady Dai. In the end, we are all haunted by that one horrible question....
What if?...
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« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2010, 10:38:16 AM » |
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The Chu kingdom is your mom and dad LOL...and hmong people are a long lost tribe of Israel OMG... I thought I was the only one who thought that... lolz! There could be a lot of truth in that... just reading the OLD Testament is like reading Hmong History... |
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« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2011, 06:40:48 AM » |
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For now, the Chu Kingdom is Hmong unless you guys come up with the proof that it is not. hehehehehe...
Now, many of you who do not believed have a lot of work to do. Please posted your finding with credible citation of your proves. Anything that is not scholarly will be rejected, and anything that is written by foreigners will be considered invalid.
Thank you.
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« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2011, 06:14:19 PM » |
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For now, the Chu Kingdom is Hmong unless you guys come up with the proof that it is not. hehehehehe...
Now, many of you who do not believed have a lot of work to do. Please posted your finding with credible citation of your proves. Anything that is not scholarly will be rejected, and anything that is written by foreigners will be considered invalid.
Thank you.
Who is a "foreigner" and who isn't? It would be ignorant and premature of Hmong people to claim the Chu Kingdom as theirs based solely on the similarities of geometric shapes found in both cultures. If we are to take similarities between people/cultures and claim them as being from one group of people then... Mayans = Tamil = Egyptian = Khmer Mayan temples:  Tamil temples:  Egyptian pyramids:  Khmer temples:  |
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« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2011, 06:17:19 PM » |
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MAnn, ya'll gotta be kidden me with those pictures! those gotta be fake! im denying everything!
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« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2011, 06:31:23 PM » |
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Who is a "foreigner" and who isn't?
It would be ignorant and premature of Hmong people to claim the Chu Kingdom as theirs based solely on the similarities of geometric shapes found in both cultures. If we are to take similarities between people/cultures and claim them as being from one group of people then...
Mayans = Tamil = Egyptian = Khmer
Mayan temples:
Tamil temples:
Egyptian pyramids:
Khmer temples:
What do these shapes have anything to do with the Hmong? |
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« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2011, 01:06:12 PM » |
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"The language of Chu is lost except for the few pitiful shreds of vocabulary given on our Chu Lexicon page. We here try to track and define what seems to be a phonetic feature of that language, which consists of some degree of mixing of -n and -ng finals in rhyming within a Chinese text. That aberrant feature may be due to influence from a non-Chinese language then spoken in the area of the Chu capital. There seem to be four possible instances of the feature in the present Chu Tsz anthology.
Shvn Zhongwei, in a paper presented at the WSWG 10 Conference in 1998, identified this articulatory trait instead with the Myau/Yau languages, which are still spoken nearer to the original area of Chu, in the middle Yangdz valley. On its face, this would imply cognate relations between old Chu and modern Myau/Yau, which would be in conflict with the Thai vocabulary affinity which has been claimed for the Chu word tiger (the Myau/Yau group are not currently thought to belong to any larger language grouping). Of the Myau/Yau group, it is the Myau (also called Hmong) languages that show nasal mixing. In the words of Ramsey 279, Myau "has only a single nasal ending, which is realized phonetically as -ng after back vowels and as -n after front vowels." It may be best, in the current state of knowledge, to attribute the word "tiger" to the original stock of the Chu language, and to attribute the phonology of nasals in the Chu language to an area phenomenon which might have affected languages which, although in contact, were of different ultimate linguistic affinity."http://www.umass.edu/wsp/results/languages/chu/rhymes.htmlSo much for the Geometry argument? Now there are actual historians from the University of Massachusetts - Amherst, who is studying the Warring States period. And so far their research points the Chu Language as being most related to the Hmong (part of the Miao-Yao Language group). Not to mention that the present day Hmong live where the Chu Kingdom was. The link speaks for itself. Are you Nay sayers by any chance just Laotians who were adopted into Hmong families? Sure seems like it.
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« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2011, 05:43:01 PM » |
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According to Historian the Chu Kingdom if possible might be Hmongs but I know for a fact that Ch'ih Yu wasnt the founder of it reputedly there seems to be a more profound and longer history of the Hmongs Emperors.
Does anyone knows about this? if you do please give me more information. Thanks.
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« Reply #39 on: October 07, 2011, 07:42:59 PM » |
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According to Historian the Chu Kingdom if possible might be Hmongs but I know for a fact that Ch'ih Yu wasnt the founder of it reputedly there seems to be a more profound and longer history of the Hmongs Emperors.
Does anyone knows about this? if you do please give me more information. Thanks.
You know for a fact but you want us to give you evidence? I'm confused. Do you know for a fact or not? If you do know for a fact, please cite your sources...No oral traditions please because you are talking about thousands of year. |
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« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2011, 09:13:05 PM » |
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« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2011, 02:31:03 PM » |
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You know for a fact but you want us to give you evidence? I'm confused. Do you know for a fact or not? If you do know for a fact, please cite your sources...No oral traditions please because you are talking about thousands of year.
Yes i know for a fact about Ch'ih Yu but wants to know about the Emperors before Ch'ih Yu came to be Hmong first recognize Emperor which i'm pretty sure there are more but they they probably didnt made any epidemic movement for the tribe that could ensue a proliferating contenances and statistic measurements. Which could give Hmong its Charasma but History like these i dont know if you even know cause Hmong have a year long war with the Chinese which our inhering history would have been lost to because of our stubbornness and loses. Does someone have a clear history or can get their hand on Hmong's History dating before Ch'ih Yu? Specifically on Their Kings of Nomenclature? Thanks |
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« Reply #42 on: October 10, 2011, 02:35:55 PM » |
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I have been trailing the chu kingdom and it has more similarities to that of Korean than Hmong.  But Hmong does have History with the Korean as well. Hmong is said to date even further than when Koreans first existance because if you look at the Koreans history and their great grand father who started Korea is said to be Ch'ih Yu which doesnt make sense if the Chu belongs to the Korean. |
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« Reply #43 on: October 10, 2011, 02:48:51 PM » |
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OMG... I thought I was the only one who thought that... lolz! There could be a lot of truth in that... just reading the OLD Testament is like reading Hmong History...
Yes In fact there is a lot of information in the Bible that have led me to believing that Hmong is a Lost tribe of Israel. Which all falls under the catogory of the traditions and ritual that Hmong has that deeply does have a lot of similarity with what the Israelite have as laws in the Bible. Which fall under burial ritual and a lot of the ways that Hmong does now a days. |
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