PebHmong Discussion Forum
Sports Category => Outdoors & Recreational Hobbies => Topic started by: Toua on November 11, 2014, 03:54:26 PM
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I am sure you guys read about that hmong OG who got jumped by some white people for crossing into private land. While i do not agree with the beating, the OG should've never stepped foot into private land in the first place. OG's are stubborn and they don't obey laws/rules like most of us younger generations. A few posters who posted on FB said something about the OG intentionally crossing into private land in the first place. Don't give me that BS excuse , "Didn't see the sign or can't read..." OG's are stubborn..
The beating was wrong, but intentionally crossing into private land was wrong and the OG deserved it.. Lesson learned. :idiot2: :idiot2:
edit: if the og accidentally went into private land and goy jumped then the whites need to get lock up otherwise grab a bunch of people and you know the rest... :police: >:D
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probably written by a hmong og.. :2funny:
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Link to the news please?
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Well, it depends if this OG knows how to read english or not.
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the thread was in HMONG DEER HUNTERS in FB. Can't find it anymore.. i got banned from FB so not sure if that's the reason ;D
Both parties were wrong, but sometimes we just have to use our head and prevent a chain reaction. I highly doubt the OG was fresh off the boat so, i am sure he can read and understand "private land."
wonder why i haven't seen this on any news page..
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it seems like the white folks have not learned a lesson taught by chai vang. whether intentionally or accidentally, no one deserves a gang banging...they could have ask , even if not nicely, for one to leave and point out point out markers of land boundries. we definitely do not want another incident, but i'm sure if it was a younger hunter....them white peeps be crying again.
i wish people were that nice. i would always remind my dad not to cross into private land no matter what. It's just not worth it. He shot a deer one time and ran into private land and most likely died there. Hate to say it, but he left the deer there. Asking the land owner might have triggered some unfriendly responses and trespassing is a no, no.
number 1 rule i always follow: Don't do something illegal and then play the victim game later. :idiot2:
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No Hmong person better not trespass and make a turn around in my drive way. I'll kill them :)
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Here's the story as reported by the officers who did their initial investigations on the case.
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wqow/public_files/Hmong%20Hunter%20Complaint.pdf (http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wqow/public_files/Hmong%20Hunter%20Complaint.pdf)
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Elberg is being charged two counts of felonies for the incident.
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^^ Thanks for the police reports. We'll see how the "justice" system works out in this case.
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Here's the story as reported by the officers who did their initial investigations on the case.
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wqow/public_files/Hmong%20Hunter%20Complaint.pdf (http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wqow/public_files/Hmong%20Hunter%20Complaint.pdf)
Thank you. Interesting. There is enough discrepancies to build a solid case against this man, don't you think? Considering all the hunting incidents in WI involving Hmong hunters and the renown Chai Vang case, couldn't a motion for transfer for trial be obtained? Overall, he needs a very good lawyer. I don't know what your specialty is but would you ever consider taking on this challenge? Sorry if this is putting you on the spot, just wondering what your professional opinion is on the case. If that is allowed? ;)
I think I would have made a very good lawyer or an FBI agent! :D
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^^ Thanks for the police reports. We'll see how the "justice" system works out in this case.
Right. We'll see how things go as the case progresses.
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Thank you. Interesting. There is enough discrepancies to build a solid case against this man, don't you think? Considering all the hunting incidents in WI involving Hmong hunters and the renown Chai Vang case, couldn't a motion for transfer for trial be obtained? Overall, he needs a very good lawyer. I don't know what your specialty is but would you ever consider taking on this challenge? Sorry if this is putting you on the spot, just wondering what your professional opinion is on the case. If that is allowed? ;)
I think I would have made a very good lawyer or an FBI agent! :D
We are not to give any opinions on such things when it's still pending.
But where do you think trial should be transferred to?
I would not mind taking a case like this. But we defense lawyers cannot replace the prosecutors if it's for Mr. Vang.
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We are not to give any opinions on such things when it's still pending.
But where do you think trial should be transferred to?
I would not mind taking a case like this. But we defense lawyers cannot replace the prosecutors if it's for Mr. Vang.
Thanks for responding. Rumors are that the DA knows the family, so that would be a conflict of interest...if the case is denied for a transfer than there should be a request for a special prosecutor, tricky and hard as that may be. It should be moved to MN, that would be my request. I meant, aiding in terms of consulting and reaching out to the family/victim to offer any assistance, especially with your background.
To the public, it seems like a fairly open and shut case. I think any prosecutor will offer a plea and save tax payers the cost of a trial ....the defense? I believe the white folks in WI are arrogant enough to think that they can walk away free. I wouldn't be surprised if it goes to trial. I hope it doesn't, many are hoping for a very harsh sentence but I think that the consequences of having a felony conviction and any amount of time incarcerated is going to serve this man well, considering his background. There is a widespread mindset in minority groups that a longer sentence equals greater justice....we fail to see that for white criminals, they want to get off clean (white privilege mindset) and that is why our prison population is higher in numbers for minorities than whites. To add, wanting to get off clean means they push the system harder and most end up with a lesser sentence. Being stripped of their rights while living in the community has a far greater impact on white criminals than it does others...trans ferring back to the white privilege mentality.
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I didn't see on the report where it said he was intentionally trespassing.
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I don't get it hunters. Why in the world would you
- track into unknown land/property
- hunt alone
- not have scouted the area first
- not be able to read, read a map or speak English
- cannot do a little homework
I understand that people love to hunt but if you go hunting in other countries you usually scout the area, have good navigation skills or a tracker, navigator, translator, etc. If you don't speak the native tongue at least have someone else who can. It's so clichéd. Asian hunters get harassed, hunters get shot, Asian hunter goes onto private land gets assaulted. They're usually alone, do not speak much English, etc. I just don't get it?
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I guess we are just some rebels. ;D
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Thanks for your thoughts.
Thanks for responding. Rumors are that the DA knows the family, so that would be a conflict of interest...if the case is denied for a transfer than there should be a request for a special prosecutor, tricky and hard as that may be. It should be moved to MN, that would be my request. I meant, aiding in terms of consulting and reaching out to the family/victim to offer any assistance, especially with your background.
To the public, it seems like a fairly open and shut case. I think any prosecutor will offer a plea and save tax payers the cost of a trial ....the defense? I believe the white folks in WI are arrogant enough to think that they can walk away free. I wouldn't be surprised if it goes to trial. I hope it doesn't, many are hoping for a very harsh sentence but I think that the consequences of having a felony conviction and any amount of time incarcerated is going to serve this man well, considering his background. There is a widespread mindset in minority groups that a longer sentence equals greater justice....we fail to see that for white criminals, they want to get off clean (white privilege mindset) and that is why our prison population is higher in numbers for minorities than whites. To add, wanting to get off clean means they push the system harder and most end up with a lesser sentence. Being stripped of their rights while living in the community has a far greater impact on white criminals than it does others...trans ferring back to the white privilege mentality.
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I am sure you guys read about that hmong OG who got jumped by some white people for crossing into private land. While i do not agree with the beating, the OG should've never stepped foot into private land in the first place. OG's are stubborn and they don't obey laws/rules like most of us younger generations. A few posters who posted on FB said something about the OG intentionally crossing into private land in the first place. Don't give me that BS excuse , "Didn't see the sign or can't read..." OG's are stubborn..
The beating was wrong, but intentionally crossing into private land was wrong and the OG deserved it.. Lesson learned. :idiot2: :idiot2:
edit: if the og accidentally went into private land and goy jumped then the whites need to get lock up otherwise grab a bunch of people and you know the rest... :police: >:D
No one deserves to be harmed unless they pose a threat to others. The Hmong man did not pose a threat. He unintentionall y or intentionally (up for debate) entered private property. The property owners should have handled the situation differently/better (i.e. I can think of many; tell him "This is private property"; "Please leave the premises"; called a Park Ranger; called the police to escort the man out). The people that beat up the Hmong man need to take responsibility for their actions be it jail time or pay the man's hospital/mental health bills, etc.
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I guess we are just some rebels. ;D
That's not being a rebel; that's just ignorance and arrogance.
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Lilly,
That only works for normal people and we all know some people are not normal. Due to the ongoing stories, complaints, incidents, etc it would make sense to take extra precautionary measures so you don't find yourself in that scenario.
All those Hmong horror stories about hunting makes me not want to go hunting unless it was on my private land.
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I haven't dared to go hunt in Tennessee or Oklohama where it's claimed to have a lot of hogs, just because I don't know my territories like you have said. I can read English. But to feel comfortable hunting in a "foreign" land takes more than just reading the laws and warnings. And no matter how much homework I've done from Minnesota, I still think the reality might be completely different from what I'm reading on papers or heard from others. So I'm not going there.
I don't get it hunters. Why in the world would you
- track into unknown land/property
- hunt alone
- not have scouted the area first
- not be able to read, read a map or speak English
- cannot do a little homework
I understand that people love to hunt but if you go hunting in other countries you usually scout the area, have good navigation skills or a tracker, navigator, translator, etc. If you don't speak the native tongue at least have someone else who can. It's so clichéd. Asian hunters get harassed, hunters get shot, Asian hunter goes onto private land gets assaulted. They're usually alone, do not speak much English, etc. I just don't get it?
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Any updates to this story?