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News & Announcements => News Headlines => Hmong News => Topic started by: Risingstars on January 08, 2015, 09:47:29 AM
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Hmong news today....
I've been hearing a lot of news on "Youtube", something from Steven about Hmong having a piece of land somewhere. They are debating who to choose for the president. What do you guys think?
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I saw a FB friend post...Looj Ceeb zaum ob. So maybe.
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What i have been hearing in the debate is that they are putting politicians and using democracy to run the piece of land. Does anyone think the majority of Hmong would oppose this or do you think the majority of Hmong's would still follow the "If I rich, I'm a leader of the Hmong". Nowadays there are a lot of things being created by Hmong and it isn't really the old traditional way of how Hmong generations used. Like for example there is Pom koob yawg twv(however you spell it), sib yij(however you spell it as well) and many more. Like I never knew that a side of the traditional Shaman way, they do tai chi while hu plig? I don't know why sib yig has a cross and wears all white. I know that sib yij wears all black and has a sword as a weapon. Not sure about what is going on nowadays. Is it just to attract people for money?
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Dreams and hopes are good things.
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In my opinion, I honestly think we owe it to our OGs. They are the ones who fought for the country. I know that the younger generation has no idea how hard it is to fight for the country.
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I don't know exactly, I haven't really looked into yet but I know for a fact it can't be in the US because US would not give a piece of land that easy to a random group of people. Why do you think US wants to go to war? So they can get which ever country it is they are going to war with the piece of land and to spread democracy. It always democracy this and democracy that, but in reality if you look at it from other country's point of view, US is the dictator.
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Who wouldn't love control and power over a group or a land? There's always a hidden agenda.
That is why I think this whole Hmong land thing. But oh well "everything has a price".
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I think when there is money involve, they will be but I'm not too sure about this. It really depends on the climate and if there is potential to making the piece of land Hmong. If you think narrow minded, look at Lao Family and Hmong Preservation of Minnesota. Dr. Soua Yang is a doctor but isn't really in a hospital helping out. A doctor does not fight with other group to be on top. And ChuePheng, look at him, you can't really tell if he did steal money or not. We all don't know, but what we all should know is that whenever there is money involved, anyone would say they know best and be all cocky and stuff. This is why Hmong can't get anywhere. Hmong have so much opportunity but they choose to stick money in their pockets like they don't know anything.
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As far as I know they are no more Lands to give to hmoob people, the only lands that available right now are up on the moon or mars for that matter. East St. Paul , fresno, sac was once time cheap to grab decades ago but now as reporter said, it is good to dream though.
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Earth is also HMONG LAND...we just don't have the intelligence to run it.
I say start small then move up....now we can't even unite to celebrate s SIMPLE HNY without fighting like little kids.
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OH wait....i think somewhere in the northern states of US there are towns for sale....lets start with that first?
I'll run a gambling hmong casino....and a night club. :D ;D
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OH wait....i think somewhere in the northern states of US there are towns for sale....lets start with that first?
I'll run a gambling hmong casino....and a night club. :D ;D
I'll start a Hmong Class for those who are not good with Hmong. Plus we might go on field trips to like Grand Cayon and Yellow Stone National Park.
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Do you know that the Israelis and Palenstinians have been fighting over Jerusalem for like 50+ years and that land is only 48.3 sq miles. That's smaller than the City of St. Paul (56.18 sq miles) and less than half the size of Fresno (112.3 sq miles).
Why would some government give us that much land for free?
And in America, you would need at least 1/2 a billion dollars to even build a plot of land and incorporate it and turn it into a half decent size down on a plot of land that has never been used before.
I swear, broke Hmong guys, always yapping about unrealistic things, and then asking ppl to donate to their wet fantasies. All the while, they take the money and run off to Thailand to get laid with some 16 year old.
Fact is, any place that is undesirable and in the middle of nowhere like: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09/towns-for-sale_n_1761217.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09/towns-for-sale_n_1761217.html)
But I'm pretty positive you will have a hard time convincing people to come there since these towns are selling for so cheap.
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Anyone here thinks this is some kind of scam? My father has been hooked onto this and has been donating money to it.
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Anyone here thinks this is some kind of scam? My father has been hooked onto this and has been donating money to it.
Tell your father that this is not a good thing. It is only good to hear from the ears but to actually take action and fund this plan would be a no-no.
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Tell your father that this is not a good thing. It is only good to hear from the ears but to actually take action and fund this plan would be a no-no.
He's been telling all of us children to learn the "deeper" hmong language because it's going to happen soon.
I've always tried to change the subject every time he brings this up because he seems to be going nuts about it, racking up almost 11,000 minutes on his phone plan this month alone listening to this gibberish.
Telling him otherwise would cause a HUGE argument.
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He's been telling all of us children to learn the "deeper" hmong language because it's going to happen soon.
I've always tried to change the subject every time he brings this up because he seems to be going nuts about it, racking up almost 11,000 minutes on his phone plan this month alone listening to this gibberish.
Telling him otherwise would cause a HUGE argument.
I am very sorry but your father has fallen to a world of trouble if he commits to it. Like if he sends money to them all they do is take the money and put it in their pockets. Nobody or no country would just give Hmong people a piece of land even if its for $100,000. The history has made a huge dent in Hmong. There would be traitors and there would be supporters. Many of us know that Hmong people are only smart in ear and not in the heart. Where there is a place that has the opportunity to make them rich or gain control over a group of people, they would lie and make everything up.
Plus on the other side, we, ourselves do not know if they is anything suspicious behind this. I heard from my parents that there was this one Hmong guy who got contact from Laos saying that Laos has given Hmong a piece of land for them to go and see if they like it. When he got there, they kidnapped him and killed him. A lot of these cases are coming from people who say they can build a country for Hmong. What the truth is that they are killing Hmong people for blackmarket organs. Be smart.
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side note: as if the Hmong people have not been duped by GVP/Affiliates and/or other people using his name and for his cause...a lesson which seems like some has not yet to learn.
I totally agree with this. Just because you got a title Dr. does not mean that you control the Hmong population.
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I honestly think "Hmong Land" will never work. 1) Who has the $$$ to down payment, cash, or finance x amount of acres? 2) Who has the W2 to support the purchase/finance 3) If Hmong peoples do decide to come together then who's name will be on the title? 4) Who's paying for property tax? However, I know one Hmong Family who owns almost 400 acres now....pretty impressive.
Additionally, a Hmong Man named Lormong Lo from Omaha, Nebraska who can also be found on Google because of his achievements (Big whoop) went around the Arkansas/Oklahoma area trying to scam Hmong people for money. He presented a very nice program letter stating that Hmong People finally had their own country assuming if they have funding. The program showed the country of Laos with a small cut out "supposedly" belonging to the Hmong people in the near future. It was a nice try but my family didn't fall for it. He later used the money he received to go bullshit in Laos and other Asian countries until his death.
On the other hand, Vang Pao should only receive credit for bringing the Hmong to the U.S. How can he officially be a "General Officer" when he couldn't even spell his name in french? Trying to overthrow the Laotian Government? Of course you will land in jail. Also, Dr. Yang, Dao is unfit to lead. Just because you have a Doctorates degree doesn't mean you'll be a leader. I know plenty of retards with college degrees ranging from a bachelors to doctorates. Leaders MANAGE and find solutions to problems unlike Vang Pao's Son who griped about the 18 Clan issue.
What we need are leaders who are fair, understands the Hmong Culture, & leads for the betterment of the Hmong populations well being. Most likely somebody who is not from the older generation because we all know they are narrow minded and stubborn. Somebody(s) who is an educated, logical, born-leader who puts the Hmong People before himself. Maybe one day he/she will rise.
-P5
Hmong news today....
I've been hearing a lot of news on "Youtube", something from Steven about Hmong having a piece of land somewhere. They are debating who to choose for the president. What do you guys think?
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Hmong news today....
I've been hearing a lot of news on "Youtube", something from Steven about Hmong having a piece of land somewhere. They are debating who to choose for the president. What do you guys think?
I honestly think "Hmong Land" will never work. 1) Who has the $$$ to down payment, cash, or finance x amount of acres? 2) Who has the W2 to support the purchase/finance 3) If Hmong peoples do decide to come together then who's name will be on the title? 4) Who's paying for property tax? However, I know one Hmong Family who owns almost 400 acres now....pretty impressive.
Additionally, a Hmong Man named Lormong Lo from Omaha, Nebraska who can also be found on Google because of his achievements (Big whoop) went around the Arkansas/Oklahoma area trying to scam Hmong people for money. He presented a very nice program letter stating that Hmong People finally had their own country assuming if they have funding. The program showed the country of Laos with a small cut out "supposedly" belonging to the Hmong people in the near future. It was a nice try but my family didn't fall for it. He later used the money he received to go bullshit in Laos and other Asian countries until his death.
On the other hand, Vang Pao should only receive credit for bringing the Hmong to the U.S. How can he officially be a "General Officer" when he couldn't even spell his name in french? Trying to overthrow the Laotian Government? Of course you will land in jail. Also, Dr. Yang, Dao is unfit to lead. Just because you have a Doctorates degree doesn't mean you'll be a leader. I know plenty of retards with college degrees ranging from a bachelors to doctorates. Leaders MANAGE and find solutions to problems unlike Vang Pao's Son who griped about the 18 Clan issue.
What we need are leaders who are fair, understands the Hmong Culture, & leads for the betterment of the Hmong populations well being. Most likely somebody who is not from the older generation because we all know they are narrow minded and stubborn. Somebody(s) who is an educated, logical, born-leader who puts the Hmong People before himself. Maybe one day he/she will rise.
-P5
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Lol, ??? you think like I do. I don't believe that having a doctors degree make you in charge of a group of people. I'm not sure if the Hmong guy from Omaha was the guy that went to Laos and got killed. I'm pretty sure either way it was for black markets. I would say that if you believe you would get a chance to live in Laos again "freely", I don't think so. Here in America there are laws that you can't break. In Laos the laws are different. You are more protected here in America vs in Laos. I'm pretty sure if the Old Soldiers go back to live in Laos, all of them would either get kidnapped or murder. Due to being a part of the Vietnam War. History is right in our eyes, but why do some people choose to rebuild the past.
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Lol, ??? you think like I do. I don't believe that having a doctors degree make you in charge of a group of people. I'm not sure if the Hmong guy from Omaha was the guy that went to Laos and got killed. I'm pretty sure either way it was for black markets. I would say that if you believe you would get a chance to live in Laos again "freely", I don't think so. Here in America there are laws that you can't break. In Laos the laws are different. You are more protected here in America vs in Laos. I'm pretty sure if the Old Soldiers go back to live in Laos, all of them would either get kidnapped or murder. Due to being a part of the Vietnam War. History is right in our eyes, but why do some people choose to rebuild the past.
OG Hmong peoples just can't change their ways. That's probably a reason why they would like to return and also they feel like they are entitled to something because they were originally from there, but made the mistake of siding with the French & US. Thus, having to immigrate elsewhere. As the world changes, we must also change in order to succeed. America is literally the "Land of Opportunity." Hmong peoples just need to make smart decisions and work hard instead of the majority population living on welfare and want to complain (LOL).
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This group of people do not possess 2nd grade education and understand the word, "recognized" as "granted." For example, when U.N. said something like, "recognizing the conditions of Hmong being threatened, abducted, tortured, raped or killed. Hmong people have the right to separately declare their race or national identity in territories or lands in which they occupied or inhabited without prohibition or restriction." This group of people think phrases such as these are guaranteed and "granted" by U.N. to give them a country.
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another scheme to scam money.
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Hmong news today....
I've been hearing a lot of news on "Youtube", something from Steven about Hmong having a piece of land somewhere. They are debating who to choose for the president. What do you guys think?
Seeing the state of Hmong politics today and the political leaders that are currently available to us I do not care about Hmong Land. Sounds like a horrible place where shit will be backwards from the USA. If you want to move 20+ years into the past I guess it sounds like an ok idea.
As much as I see how messed up the USA is, it'll be exponentially better than living in "Hmong Land" with ppl like my dad and uncles running the place. As much as I love those guys they should not be running a country and I would not want to live in any country they're running.
Hmong Land - Like living with your parents premanently forever under their roof.
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I heard rumors that there's a country willing to accept the Hmong. The land is almost the same size as Laos. It borders the ocean which is important for trading ports and there's still a lot of undisturbed land for the Hmong to go back to their favorite stone age or they can stay as parasites until the host is tired of them, divorce them and the Hmong will receive that piece of land as an entitlement from the divorce. It may take 4 - 5 hundred years however it's worth a try. That country is called France and the land is French Guiana which Hmong ppl already reside there and have been very successful.
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I do not wish for Hmong Land. It will be like Lao Family of MN and Hmong OGs' hunger for young girls in Laos.
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Some of the most genius minded people around the world would rage war over a small island, after some 30+ yrs being in America and majority of the Hmong still don't see the benefit of having their own land then that's pretty worthy of White people calling Hmong primitive monkey whose still haven't crawl out from their cave to compete with the world since their arrival in the US.
Please list the benefits.
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The Hmong have every right to desire a sovereign nation of their own. Why not? Isn't that what the Jews proposed after WWII? They saw that everywhere they went their ways conflicted with mainstream and that they would never truly live according to their cultural laws unless they had their own country. The birth of Zionism was born.
If these Hmong OGs want a country I don't really care. I don't have to live there so not a big deal.
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Seeing the state of Hmong politics today and the political leaders that are currently available to us I do not care about Hmong Land. Sounds like a horrible place where shit will be backwards from the USA. If you want to move 20+ years into the past I guess it sounds like an ok idea.
As much as I see how messed up the USA is, it'll be exponentially better than living in "Hmong Land" with ppl like my dad and uncles running the place. As much as I love those guys they should not be running a country and I would not want to live in any country they're running.
Hmong Land - Like living with your parents premanently forever under their roof.
Your comment is a living, breathing, and cancer at the heart of any/ALL Hmong turmoil; past, present, and sadly the future too though hopefully that will not and no longer be the case in the near future. Let us hope anyway. There are some positive optimitism forthcoming from what I have been able to observe on a global scale, but it is still very much in its infancy. Pray it is truly moving in that direction -- towards synergistic harmony -- and just not superficial offerings.
Without going into detail and naming specific individuals, interest groups, and incidents to date; I can honestly say that the majority of Hmong believe, still harbor, and can/will actualize all that which has stagnated (even hindered) Hmong advancement etc. throughout the ages to this very day. For the last two decades plus, I have discussed (in order to better understand and hopefully provide a catalyst) towards Hmong's transcendance with a lot of Hmong. But sadly, all the persons (OGs, leaders, intellects, laypersons) I have sat down with all echo what you have said. And that is just a drop in the bucket as a whole.
As much as I want, and want Hmong to have their own independent autonomous nation state, the facts speak for themselves. And the facts are not too compelling whatsoever period. I will simply paraphrase what some/most elders have said, "Cov tub ntxhais hluas tiam nod, lawd txawj ntse kawg -- yog Drs, lawyers, professionals, intellects etc., tiam sis lawd txoj kev txawj ntse nod tseem coj tau phem tshaj peb cov laus lawm tsis hais tiam nod los cov tiam tag los lawm." (Your are open to decide for yourself the totality of this allegation.)
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Even though cliques exist among the OGs they are generally cooperative with each other and if left alone they can work together. They've been doing so for years long before coming to America. Their drawback is that they don't have the funds to back their ambitions. So I wouldn't criticize their politics so much because it works for them.
It is the younger generation that is misguided, dispersed, and lack leadership qualities. It is their politics that I want no part of.
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Even though cliques exist among the OGs they are generally cooperative with each other and if left alone they can work together. They've been doing so for years long before coming to America. Their drawback is that they don't have the funds to back their ambitions. So I wouldn't criticize their politics so much because it works for them.
It is the younger generation that is misguided, dispersed, and lack leadership qualities. It is their politics that I want no part of.
Without devulging too much, or bastardizing both fronts, you do make some good points.
As for the OGs, they have only been doing it for years (in SE Asia) prior to coming to America (the West), mainly because of the "Iron Fist" tactic/s -- or "Rule of Thumb" that everyone adhered/respected/upheld during that time. Ask any OG (leaders of that time), they will admit it openly nowadays now that they are no longer bound by the "Iron Fist". All the OGs I have had the pleasure to know, speak with, and spend quality time with have shared their experiences (knowledge/insight) with me for decades till they moved on with the "Sands of Time". (Sadly, most and/or ALL those OG leaders are now in a better life/world beyond our inquiries, criticism/s, and love and care. :'()
As for the younger generation, what the OGs have observed and commented/concluded of and about (since Hmong's arrive to the USA/West till now) resonates with my own opinion/belief at the moment. The younger generation in all likelihood will be no different than what it is now. Being worst is definitely not out of the question as evidenced by the HA'Mung ... :idiot2: ... :2funny:
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Your comment is a living, breathing, and cancer at the heart of any/ALL Hmong turmoil; past, present, and sadly the future too though hopefully that will not and no longer be the case in the near future. Let us hope anyway. There are some positive optimitism forthcoming from what I have been able to observe on a global scale, but it is still very much in its infancy. Pray it is truly moving in that direction -- towards synergistic harmony -- and just not superficial offerings.
Proof of your assertion? Look at the leaders that are available to us now, which one would you want to run a country? Not a single one IMO, they will take us back in progress (socially mostly) from what we're accustomed to in this country. How is me stating the obvious a "cancer"? I did say I have hope for the future but do I want to live in a country where people with backwards and harsh philosophies run the country? No.
Are the Hmong leaders of today actually doing much to help Hmong people advance in the USA? Nope, mostly they worry about themselves, their orgs and their income/future prospects and KEEPING THE STATUS QUO in which they are in charge.
You hold onto tradition and value it but it's the elders fault we all lost it. I have seen it everywhere, our fathers didn't take the time to impart the importance of this onto their children so we don't see it as important. Is that our fault? No.
The elders already take all these shortcuts when it comes to ceremonies and tradition, you think their parents would be cool with them watering down our traditions for convenience? Nope.
See, you're just like the old foggies. You rag on us younger ones because we don't hold Hmong culture and tradition as highly as you think we should but it's your own faults for watering down our traditions and making our community celebration gatherings nothing more than glorified market places. Let's not forget not taking the time to teach us when we're young, now that we're older and have other interests that are more applicable to our lives now you criticize us. Where were you wanting to teach us when we were young? Not at home and didn't care to take the time.
You're like thsoe people who's kids become gangbangers and then lay all the blame on the kid but don't realize what shit parents they are and see their part in how their kid behaves. No accountability or responsibility taken by old Hmong ppl. If kids turn out good it's the parents, if they turn out bad it's the kids. I have had many struggles growing up and though I was not a gang banger I saw many friends who were. It was their parents' lack of understanding their kid's own struggles with identity and growing up in the USA that pushed them to react with bad parenting techniques further pushing their kids away.
Hmong New Years and Soccer tourneys going on everywhere all the time in the USA but what's the point? Hmong cultural awareness and celebration? Nope, the point more often and the primary focus is to make money, not bring the community together. Every year the booths sections get bigger and the section for cultural displays/events gets smaller.
Do I want those leaders who are currently running Hmong people, traditions and culture into the ground running a country? No.
I don't want a Hmong land, what makes you guys think we deserve our own country? That's a little entitled isn't it?
Most ethnic groups do not have their own countries and I don't think we should. The Hmong identity was fractured long ago when we all decided to move from our homeland to our respective Western nations. Now our identity is complex and not nationalistic, which is why we have so many political factions and disagreements. Couple that with half of all Hmong currently going to chruch and half not, this serves as another wedge in our community.
None of our elder leaders I've heard of understand the difficulties and nuances of leadership in the 21st Century. Many of them still run on rumor and hearsay, not facts.
What will happen if we have our own country is shit loads of government corruption, cronyism and women will return to second class citizen status. How do I know this? Because it's already happening in orgs across the country with our most recognized leaders.
So I'm the cancer for not believing in these old fools but they get a pass despite failing to be good stewards of our culture and traditions.
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How is that so?... If its free and cheap meals why not? Country would provide better and more job opportunities for these girls to earn a living thereby they would cease their prostitution for dollars and these pervurted OG and the wicked would have no place to land or exploit these girl, poverty is where prostitution breed fyi.
So you're saying since they already have to be prostitutes there they might as well be prostitutes for Hmong Land? Damn, pretty sinister.
Why not say instead that they'll have a place in Hmong Land where they will be protected from forced prostitution and abuse?
Sadly I think if there ever would be a Hmong Land women will be taken advantage of again.
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Thenewbguy,
For the record, I never said you are/were a cancer. "Your comment" does not equate to your being. Duh.
And the nonsense about prostitution is ::) . No further comment warranted.
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Proof of your assertion? Look at the leaders that are available to us now, which one would you want to run a country? Not a single one IMO, they will take us back in progress (socially mostly) from what we're accustomed to in this country. How is me stating the obvious a "cancer"? I did say I have hope for the future but do I want to live in a country where people with backwards and harsh philosophies run the country? No.
Are the Hmong leaders of today actually doing much to help Hmong people advance in the USA? Nope, mostly they worry about themselves, their orgs and their income/future prospects and KEEPING THE STATUS QUO in which they are in charge.
You hold onto tradition and value it but it's the elders fault we all lost it. I have seen it everywhere, our fathers didn't take the time to impart the importance of this onto their children so we don't see it as important. Is that our fault? No.
The elders already take all these shortcuts when it comes to ceremonies and tradition, you think their parents would be cool with them watering down our traditions for convenience? Nope.
See, you're just like the old foggies. You rag on us younger ones because we don't hold Hmong culture and tradition as highly as you think we should but it's your own faults for watering down our traditions and making our community celebration gatherings nothing more than glorified market places. Let's not forget not taking the time to teach us when we're young, now that we're older and have other interests that are more applicable to our lives now you criticize us. Where were you wanting to teach us when we were young? Not at home and didn't care to take the time.
You're like thsoe people who's kids become gangbangers and then lay all the blame on the kid but don't realize what shit parents they are and see their part in how their kid behaves. No accountability or responsibility taken by old Hmong ppl. If kids turn out good it's the parents, if they turn out bad it's the kids. I have had many struggles growing up and though I was not a gang banger I saw many friends who were. It was their parents' lack of understanding their kid's own struggles with identity and growing up in the USA that pushed them to react with bad parenting techniques further pushing their kids away.
Hmong New Years and Soccer tourneys going on everywhere all the time in the USA but what's the point? Hmong cultural awareness and celebration? Nope, the point more often and the primary focus is to make money, not bring the community together. Every year the booths sections get bigger and the section for cultural displays/events gets smaller.
Do I want those leaders who are currently running Hmong people, traditions and culture into the ground running a country? No.
I don't want a Hmong land, what makes you guys think we deserve our own country? That's a little entitled isn't it?
Most ethnic groups do not have their own countries and I don't think we should. The Hmong identity was fractured long ago when we all decided to move from our homeland to our respective Western nations. Now our identity is complex and not nationalistic, which is why we have so many political factions and disagreements. Couple that with half of all Hmong currently going to chruch and half not, this serves as another wedge in our community.
None of our elder leaders I've heard of understand the difficulties and nuances of leadership in the 21st Century. Many of them still run on rumor and hearsay, not facts.
What will happen if we have our own country is shit loads of government corruption, cronyism and women will return to second class citizen status. How do I know this? Because it's already happening in orgs across the country with our most recognized leaders.
So I'm the cancer for not believing in these old fools but they get a pass despite failing to be good stewards of our culture and traditions.
Hold up! Wait a minute here....
Exactly what do YOU mean when you say OG?
Everybody you described sounds like what I would call the YOUNGER GENERATION and after. (50 and under - most likely to have received some formal education in Laos and America.)
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Thenewbguy,
For the record, I never said you are/were a cancer. "Your comment" does not equate to your being. Duh.
And the nonsense about prostitution is ::) . No further comment warranted.
Oh because I don't agree with our current leaders then anything I say against them is a "cancer"? Sorry for pointing out the GLARING TRUTH of the situation.
I've worked in the non-profit world for nearly a decade and found that Hmong non-profits aren't taken that seriously because so many of the Hmong non-profits have mismanaged funds. This seems to be a nationwide problem as I have heard of these issues from every area in the USA with a substantial Hmong population. Ethics in politics and business is a new concept to Hmong leaders and business owners. Even our most revered politician/leader GVP was dogged by accusations of murder of political adversaries. He was ruthless with those who disagreed with him, I'm not looking to return to those times. Every other leader so far that has appeared has questionable motives and pedigrees (some claim to be doctors but no PhD???).
All the current "acceptable" leaders we have are old men who want to return to the status quo of their heyday. Because I oppose that and oppose a "Hmong Land" my comments are a "cancer". Yeah because our leaders have done so well for us since we got to the States. Hmong ppl are among the poorest of all the Asian groups still after 30+ years of being in this country.
Yeah I make cancerous statements because they are true and you can't deal with it.
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Its either I didn't make myself clear or you have severe comprehension problem. NO that's not what I mean, Lao is a poor communist country and many of these Hmong-Lao girl just wants a luxury lifestyle with very limited to none other ways to access it leaving them with the options of prostitution or seducing these OG for American dollars as the most prevalent means...their motive are the same as We Hmong-American getting a college degree for, more money. If granted a country whether they chose to or not Hmong at least has the authority to do something about this and many of the ongoing issues happening in the community and among the people.
It's not the same thing at all, not even close. In one situation a person is bettering themselves on their own through education that is available to them because of their geopraphical location. In another situation a person in power (hmong man in the USA) is using that position of power over a person of a lower socio-economic class (poor Hmong girl from laos) who has few options to escape their poverty.
If you don't see how this could lead to social problems for society down the road then IDK what to say but they are definitely not the same thing, not even close.
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Oh because I don't agree with our current leaders then anything I say against them is a "cancer"? Sorry for pointing out the GLARING TRUTH of the situation.
I've worked in the non-profit world for nearly a decade and found that Hmong non-profits aren't taken that seriously because so many of the Hmong non-profits have mismanaged funds. This seems to be a nationwide problem as I have heard of these issues from every area in the USA with a substantial Hmong population. Ethics in politics and business is a new concept to Hmong leaders and business owners. Even our most revered politician/leader GVP was dogged by accusations of murder of political adversaries. He was ruthless with those who disagreed with him, I'm not looking to return to those times. Every other leader so far that has appeared has questionable motives and pedigrees (some claim to be doctors but no PhD???).
All the current "acceptable" leaders we have are old men who want to return to the status quo of their heyday. Because I oppose that and oppose a "Hmong Land" my comments are a "cancer". Yeah because our leaders have done so well for us since we got to the States. Hmong ppl are among the poorest of all the Asian groups still after 30+ years of being in this country.
Yeah I make cancerous statements because they are true and you can't deal with it.
:idiot2: ... :2funny:
" ... you have severe comprehension problem." ... kekeke ... >:D
(Reprising/amending your HA'Mung rant is pointless due to " ... you have severe comprehension problem." ... KEKEKE ... 8))
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Only very STUPID people would give their hard earned money to any Hmong to go fight for a Hmong Kingdom. LOL...the Hmong people funded Gen. Vang Pao casino fund for the last 40 years and what did they get out of it?? LOL...now the Vang Pao sons are starting a new foundation called "Hmong Development" to collect more money from the STUPID Hmong people. Why not?? Hmong are STUPID and would fund it too. I guess they will collect free money until they die and then their children will carry on with the promise of Hmong Kingdom. LOL...
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I honestly think "Hmong Land" will never work. 1) Who has the $$$ to down payment, cash, or finance x amount of acres? 2) Who has the W2 to support the purchase/finance 3) If Hmong peoples do decide to come together then who's name will be on the title? 4) Who's paying for property tax? However, I know one Hmong Family who owns almost 400 acres now....pretty impressive.
Additionally, a Hmong Man named Lormong Lo from Omaha, Nebraska who can also be found on Google because of his achievements (Big whoop) went around the Arkansas/Oklahoma area trying to scam Hmong people for money. He presented a very nice program letter stating that Hmong People finally had their own country assuming if they have funding. The program showed the country of Laos with a small cut out "supposedly" belonging to the Hmong people in the near future. It was a nice try but my family didn't fall for it. He later used the money he received to go bullshit in Laos and other Asian countries until his death.
On the other hand, Vang Pao should only receive credit for bringing the Hmong to the U.S. How can he officially be a "General Officer" when he couldn't even spell his name in french? Trying to overthrow the Laotian Government? Of course you will land in jail. Also, Dr. Yang, Dao is unfit to lead. Just because you have a Doctorates degree doesn't mean you'll be a leader. I know plenty of retards with college degrees ranging from a bachelors to doctorates. Leaders MANAGE and find solutions to problems unlike Vang Pao's Son who griped about the 18 Clan issue.
What we need are leaders who are fair, understands the Hmong Culture, & leads for the betterment of the Hmong populations well being. Most likely somebody who is not from the older generation because we all know they are narrow minded and stubborn. Somebody(s) who is an educated, logical, born-leader who puts the Hmong People before himself. Maybe one day he/she will rise.
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Good luck finding such a Hmong man...LOL...al l Hmong men are crooks, degree or not
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Lol, ??? you think like I do. I don't believe that having a doctors degree make you in charge of a group of people. I'm not sure if the Hmong guy from Omaha was the guy that went to Laos and got killed. I'm pretty sure either way it was for black markets. I would say that if you believe you would get a chance to live in Laos again "freely", I don't think so. Here in America there are laws that you can't break. In Laos the laws are different. You are more protected here in America vs in Laos. I'm pretty sure if the Old Soldiers go back to live in Laos, all of them would either get kidnapped or murder. Due to being a part of the Vietnam War. History is right in our eyes, but why do some people choose to rebuild the past.
The guy from Omaha was Laomong Lor and he died of cancer. The guy was a talker, but he was Hmong first City Council man elected by blacks and whites, not Hmong people
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Seeing the state of Hmong politics today and the political leaders that are currently available to us I do not care about Hmong Land. Sounds like a horrible place where shit will be backwards from the USA. If you want to move 20+ years into the past I guess it sounds like an ok idea.
As much as I see how messed up the USA is, it'll be exponentially better than living in "Hmong Land" with ppl like my dad and uncles running the place. As much as I love those guys they should not be running a country and I would not want to live in any country they're running.
Hmong Land - Like living with your parents premanently forever under their roof.
I'm glad you young people are smart enough to realize that and don't waste your money funding a dead cause. Who the hell DUMB enough to want to go live in a third world country when you are living in the best country already??
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Please list the benefits.
Where is Hmong Kingdom?? Laos?? Laos has never been a Hmong country. Learn your history first before wasting your money on it. Hmong were illegal aliens sneaking into Laos. They hided on the northern mountains of Laos until the French came to colonize. Hmong refused to pay taxes, so the French killed and sold many Hmong children. This was how the Krazy War started. The French got smarter and decided to recruit Hmong people to collect taxes from Hmong. This was where our history begun.
Make no mistake, the UN or US has no power to give or divide Laos into two countries so the Hmong can have a land. Well, they must kill all Laotians first before this can happen because Lao people are not going to give up their country to us. Can you see the US government killing all Laotians without the Chinese interference?? It's not going to be easy because China is starting to have too much influences in Lao economy. If Hmong were to get a piece of Laos, Gen. Vang Pao would have handed to us long time ago. Now, it's impossible. The only possible thing for Hmong people is to work harder and make the most of the opportunities this great nation called USA has given us. Go tell your kids to go to college and do something great!!!
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How is that so?... If its free and cheap meals why not? Country would provide better and more job opportunities for these girls to earn a living thereby they would cease their prostitution for dollars and these pervurted OG and the wicked would have no place to land or exploit these girl, poverty is where prostitution breed fyi.
Hmong men love little girls too much. It's genetics. If there is a Hmong land, the Hmong leaders would kill each other over little girls. I don't think a land of child molesters is a good place for anyone to live in. Make no mistake, Hmong men are child molesters. Go to Laos and you will see what I'm talking about. All these Hmong American men went back to Laos to deflower little girls as young as 8 years old. SICK!!!
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There's only 1 piece of land left in the world for Hmong ppl and that's French Guiana. If we can't get the hint from the French, our friends, of working for that piece of land, then forget about having a country. There, we can learn to govern and work our way to independence.
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I was there once. We need strict regulations on protecting wildlife if we turn it into our land.
There's only 1 piece of land left in the world for Hmong ppl and that's French Guiana. If we can't get the hint from the French, our friends, of working for that piece of land, then forget about having a country. There, we can learn to govern and work our way to independence.
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Getting back to the topic.. I'm not a political science major or law major of any sort or affiliation, so I've little knowledge on this stuff, but digging around the very bare website of said group (hmoobtebchaws. net) it seems the only thing that looks like solid information is a Hmong Declaration on the Right to Development, Security, and Freedoms as seen here: http://hmongtebchaws.net/hmong-declaration-on-the-right-to-development-security-and-freedoms/ (http://hmongtebchaws.net/hmong-declaration-on-the-right-to-development-security-and-freedoms/)
But it looks to be simply a declaration and nothing more. It all looks like things that any culture or race could utilize in the world. Some hmong feel entitled to their own country, but there are plenty of other tribes people and indigenous races that do not have their own country; like the native americans of the US, or the Karen people of SE asia/malay peninsula, or the 50 some odd ethnic gorups in China.
I understand that declarations can be made, but it does not immediately equal entitlement to a sovereign nation. It's not that simple. I think the folks at hmoobtebchaws have misinterpreted what this sort of declaration means. Too much hope will lead to misguidance and abuse of hmong citizens.
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Hmong men love little girls too much. It's genetics. If there is a Hmong land, the Hmong leaders would kill each other over little girls. I don't think a land of child molesters is a good place for anyone to live in. Make no mistake, Hmong men are child molesters. Go to Laos and you will see what I'm talking about. All these Hmong American men went back to Laos to deflower little girls as young as 8 years old. SICK!!!
... kekeke ... :idiot2: ... kekeke ... :2funny:
HA'MUNG ignorance is so amusing (repulsive and positively unworldly -- educated intellectually in case the HA'MUNG are clueless)
The ignorance of the HA'MUNG can be defined simply as, "One rotten apple spoils a bushel." The beauty of this application is that it is directly applicable to HA'MUNG themselves and their narrowmindedne ss ... kekeke ... >:D
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There's only 1 piece of land left in the world for Hmong ppl and that's French Guiana. If we can't get the hint from the French, our friends, of working for that piece of land, then forget about having a country. There, we can learn to govern and work our way to independence.
Some FACTs are in order before you Hmong start talking nonsense about French Guyana being a sovereign autonomous Hmong state.
First, resettlement, that is "immigrating" to foreign land/s does that mean that land/country auto - becomes yours to own and govern.
Two, to my knowledge, French Guyana is a colonial state of France, owned and governed by France -- like Puerto Rico is to the USA. (No further explanation needed. )
Lastly, though there are yet a plethora of other equally important reasons/facts to offset French Guyana being Hmong's country, the simplest one is that the Hmong population there is less than 1% compared to the natives (Guyanese), so whether military - wise or via democratic voting, the Hmong has absolutely ZERO chance at ownership, much less governance. And for the record, Hmong has never had an organized military throughout its history, nor military intel; meaning weapons, tacticians, elite commandos, ranked personnel etc.. (No! Your peasant rush to arms army overnight during foreign conquest/invasion and ethnic cleansing is not an organized Hmong army. This directly applies to SE ASIA era as well despite US backing etc.. Look what happened when the USA bailed out. Hmong were sitting ducks for target practice. )
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The French NEVER helped to modernize French Guyana, exactly like Laos when Laos was a French colony/owned, being part of Indochina during the 1900s. Why not? Because of the exact same reason/s, the native Guyanese and Laotians are all too stupid to civilize. (Arguably, Hmong too.) No. This is not a fictional (bias, or discriminative) allegation. It is the truth one can easily research as documented by French (scholarly) records/documents etc.
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Right. And I think, if anything, the French have in mind millions to collect from the Hmong if the Hmong were to make French Guiana our country. You know, like we would have to buy it from mainland France...
Some FACTs are in order before you Hmong start talking nonsense about French Guyana being a sovereign autonomous Hmong state.
First, resettlement, that is "immigrating" to foreign land/s does that mean that land/country auto - becomes yours to own and govern.
Two, to my knowledge, French Guyana is a colonial state of France, owned and governed by France -- like Puerto Rico is to the USA. (No further explanation needed. )
Lastly, though there are yet a plethora of other equally important reasons/facts to offset French Guyana being Hmong's country, the simplest one is that the Hmong population there is less than 1% compared to the natives (Guyanese), so whether military - wise or via democratic voting, the Hmong has absolutely ZERO chance at ownership, much less governance. And for the record, Hmong has never had an organized military throughout its history, nor military intel; meaning weapons, tacticians, elite commandos, ranked personnel etc.. (No! Your peasant rush to arms army overnight during foreign conquest/invasion and ethnic cleansing is not an organized Hmong army. This directly applies to SE ASIA era as well despite US backing etc.. Look what happened when the USA bailed out. Hmong were sitting ducks for target practice. )
NOTE:
The French NEVER helped to modernize French Guyana, exactly like Laos when Laos was a French colony/owned, being part of Indochina during the 1900s. Why not? Because of the exact same reason/s, the native Guyanese and Laotians are all too stupid to civilize. (Arguably, Hmong too.) No. This is not a fictional (bias, or discriminative) allegation. It is the truth one can easily research as documented by French (scholarly) records/documents etc.
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I was there once. We need strict regulations on protecting wildlife if we turn it into our land.
Agreed, Reporter.
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Some FACTs are in order before you Hmong start talking nonsense about French Guyana being a sovereign autonomous Hmong state.
First, resettlement, that is "immigrating" to foreign land/s does that mean that land/country auto - becomes yours to own and govern.
Two, to my knowledge, French Guyana is a colonial state of France, owned and governed by France -- like Puerto Rico is to the USA. (No further explanation needed. )
Lastly, though there are yet a plethora of other equally important reasons/facts to offset French Guyana being Hmong's country, the simplest one is that the Hmong population there is less than 1% compared to the natives (Guyanese), so whether military - wise or via democratic voting, the Hmong has absolutely ZERO chance at ownership, much less governance. And for the record, Hmong has never had an organized military throughout its history, nor military intel; meaning weapons, tacticians, elite commandos, ranked personnel etc.. (No! Your peasant rush to arms army overnight during foreign conquest/invasion and ethnic cleansing is not an organized Hmong army. This directly applies to SE ASIA era as well despite US backing etc.. Look what happened when the USA bailed out. Hmong were sitting ducks for target practice. )
NOTE:
The French NEVER helped to modernize French Guyana, exactly like Laos when Laos was a French colony/owned, being part of Indochina during the 1900s. Why not? Because of the exact same reason/s, the native Guyanese and Laotians are all too stupid to civilize. (Arguably, Hmong too.) No. This is not a fictional (bias, or discriminative) allegation. It is the truth one can easily research as documented by French (scholarly) records/documents etc.
Hahahaha.....Come on Chico, I'm not talking about going to war with France. Why would you go to war with your adopted country or your friend. Base on all the regconition the French gives to the Hmong and the Aids the Hmong received to farm and develope French Guyana, I can predict that their goal is to help the Hmong become self sufficient and autonomous. In the future, it wouldn't hurt to ask for independence. How long will it take? Who knows but it's better than going back to Laos and face fierce retaliation which will result in extermination and when Laos is divided what is left is a piece of crab not worth a penny.
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Agreed, Reporter.
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Hahahaha.....Come on Chico, I'm not talking about going to war with France. Why would you go to war with your adopted country or your friend. Base on all the regconition the French gives to the Hmong and the Aids the Hmong received to farm and develope French Guyana, I can predict that their goal is to help the Hmong become self sufficient and autonomous. In the future, it wouldn't hurt to ask for independence. How long will it take? Who knows but it's better than going back to Laos and face fierce retaliation which will result in extermination and when Laos is divided what is left is a piece of crab not worth a penny.
... kekeke ... come on Gringo, I more than answered your argument, or conjecture about French favoritism. But let me make it very simple and elementary so Gringo (and ignorant HA'MUNG) can understand.
1. France, the French, has 0 interest in supporting, developing, or modernizing Guyana. The country and natives ( including Hmong) are too stupid. (I made that clear using Indochina Laos as a perfect example. ) It is over 100 years already and Guyana is the same, with and/or without the Hmong there. That is FACT!
2. Any nation without an army to protect its sovereignty is a sitting duck soon to be a platter for consumption (invasion/conquest). That is FACT! Even, and especially today with global powers hoarding natural resources etc. .
Get it now ... kekeke ... O0
(No further detailed explanation needed ... kekeke ... >:D)
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so many pages to read.
someone do a recap of all the points. thanks ahead of time.
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so many pages to read.
someone do a recap of all the points. thanks ahead of time.
There's a group of Hmong talking about having a Hmong country and they are trying to see who might be its first president. What do you think of that?
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There's a group of Hmong talking about having a Hmong country and they are trying to see who might be its first president. What do you think of that?
where's this country? ??? ;D
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They are just talking about having one. Right now it's only imaginary--both in location and actuality.
where's this country? ??? ;D
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They are just talking about having one. Right now it's only imaginary--both in location and actuality.
ohyo!
5 pages... es only imagination xwb? ;D ;D ;D ;D how.... so like you men to IMAGINE about FAKE stuffs that don't exist. ;D ;D ;D :P tsi muaj qab hau.
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Yuav tsum muaj imagination thiab tig tau ua reality hos. Twb tsis tau muaj, ho tsis imagine thiab es yuav ua cas pib tau li cas ma?
ohyo!
5 pages... es only imagination xwb? ;D ;D ;D ;D how.... so like you men to IMAGINE about FAKE stuffs that don't exist. ;D ;D ;D :P tsi muaj qab hau.
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... kekeke ... come on Gringo, I more than answered your argument, or conjecture about French favoritism. But let me make it very simple and elementary so Gringo (and ignorant HA'MUNG) can understand.
1. France, the French, has 0 interest in supporting, developing, or modernizing Guyana. The country and natives ( including Hmong) are too stupid. (I made that clear using Indochina Laos as a perfect example. ) It is over 100 years already and Guyana is the same, with and/or without the Hmong there. That is FACT!
2. Any nation without an army to protect its sovereignty is a sitting duck soon to be a platter for consumption (invasion/conquest). That is FACT! Even, and especially today with global powers hoarding natural resources etc. .
Get it now ... kekeke ... O0
(No further detailed explanation needed ... kekeke ... >:D)
Chico, you still don't get my point. What I'm saying is that if all the Hmong were to move to French Guyana and become French citizens we'd be under the umbrella of the French's homeland security. Therefore, we don't need an army. However, we will definitely have to serve in the arm forces.
On the development front, the Hmong who are living there do get about 40% of financial aid from the government to dig roads to their farms, buy machinery, and build houses.
Now, somewhere along the line we can ask for independence because being isolated from the main land creates hardships in terms of emergency responses to home land security or general governance. Therefore autonomy can be claimed as an essential element in the survival of the territory and a must have. It will take many centuries to have this dream realized, and yes, it might result in a war, but if it's carefully planned, the Hmong's dream of having a country will materialize for sure.
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You got that right. You are an ignorant. Open your eyes and look around you. One thing Hmong men have in common is sex with little girls. It's a disease they people swept under the rugs.
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Hey, Chico, could you translate this to English? Thanks in advance.
http://youtu.be/5plthlfg6fw (http://youtu.be/5plthlfg6fw)
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http://youtu.be/IFO2QvN-BSs (http://youtu.be/IFO2QvN-BSs)
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Hmong news today....
I've been hearing a lot of news on "Youtube", something from Steven about Hmong having a piece of land somewhere. They are debating who to choose for the president. What do you guys think?
It's a case of Hmong shamelessly scamming Hmong. Tus cuab ntse dag tus ruam. Steve and the rest of his cronies have such a thick face that they are able to con Hmong without any guilt or shame. They should be put in jail for many years. Shame on you!!
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It's difficult for Lyn to believe this but if such a land does exist and can be given to Lyn's people, Lyn hope it will be a land of peace and harmony and not of corruption and war.
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I'm wondering if this is going to be a place where Hmong people will fight until they all die?
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It's difficult for Lyn to believe this but if such a land does exist and can be given to Lyn's people, Lyn hope it will be a land of peace and harmony and not of corruption and war.
Every country is full of corruption, including the US.
Risingstars,
If people only have two choices between Democracy and Communism, then of course, fighting is inevitable... Pain is a necessary for people to learn their lessons.
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Every country is full of corruption, including the US.
Risingstars,
If people only have two choices between Democracy and Communism, then of course, fighting is inevitable... Pain is a necessary for people to learn their lessons.
Lyn's just wishing for it to feel like home even if crime lives among it. Lyn knows corruption is everywhere.
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Lyn's just wishing for it to feel like home even if crime lives among it. Lyn knows corruption is everywhere.
Lyn can wish every day for the rest of Lyn's life and the feeling of home will never come. But if Lyn makes it Lyn's home, it will feel like home for the rest of Lyn's life.
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Lyn can wish every day for the rest of Lyn's life and the feeling of home will never come. But if Lyn makes it Lyn's home, it will feel like home for the rest of Lyn's life.
Lyn agree, thank you friend. :)
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So why do those people need more Hmong USA to join? Sounds like they got lots of people already and if they got people already why don't they just move forward and go and do it........
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I just want those people to be the leaders and go over to Laos and start whatever they are talking about...I want to see the truth of what will happen to them in Laos
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I've been listening to suab hmong and hearing what the guy has to explain and I really want his team to go and start it and get it done......I'm sort of tired of him explaining about his plan.....pleas e go and do it without or with Hmong people...it would be best to do it with out Hmong people
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So here is the news answering Hmong Land....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UbzQcJSoOg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UbzQcJSoOg)
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I only watched the first couple of mins and x out.
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I only watched the first couple of mins and x out.
Haha pretty stupid don't you think? It's definitely a scam...But everything that Seng Xiong said is facts about what he did....But the vision they seek is not a good one.
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I can see Hmong killing Hmong like the old days during GVP dictatorship in Laos. Anyone who disagreed with him will be thrown in the hole with no foods until death. Did you guys see that hole in Long Cheng?? Gosh, i walked passed every morning as a child and never thought much about it til now. It was right in front of the air port.
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A Hmong Land can be realized NOW, right here, in the states of America if we put our heads together. Unfortunately, we are NOT organized as we think we are. We lack the core human infrastructure s to carry this vision forward. Right now, Hmoob tseem fragmented as a group and lack the political known hows. Yog US muaj kiag the state of MN rau Hmong ua tus "governor" saib kiag, xyov hmoob yuas uacas pib?
Nonetheless, let me say this, lets keep the dream alive and work hard...put our people in KEY position in various government institutions as well as privately held businesses that have access or have assets in the millions or billions. Hnub ntug, thaum tug hmoob muaj tej no tag lawm, Hmoob mas li rov los revisit Hmong Land. In other words, lets BUILD the foundation first before we build the house. Without a solid core foundation, a house will collapsed.
In these days in age, Money and human infrastructure is an ARMY...when you have these core resources, you can move mountains. Zoo li tasim no xwb, thov tsis txhob nim hnub phov tsa muaj stroke.
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A Hmong Land can be realized NOW, right here, in the states of America if we put our heads together. Unfortunately, we are NOT organized as we think we are. We lack the core human infrastructure s to carry this vision forward. Right now, Hmoob tseem fragmented as a group and lack the political known hows. Yog US muaj kiag the state of MN rau Hmong ua tus "governor" saib kiag, xyov hmoob yuas uacas pib?
Nonetheless, let me say this, lets keep the dream alive and work hard...put our people in KEY position in various government institutions as well as privately held businesses that have access or have assets in the millions or billions. Hnub ntug, thaum tug hmoob muaj tej no tag lawm, Hmoob mas li rov los revisit Hmong Land. In other words, lets BUILD the foundation first before we build the house. Without a solid core foundation, a house will collapsed.
In these days in age, Money and human infrastructure is an ARMY...when you have these core resources, you can move mountains. Zoo li tasim no xwb, thov tsis txhob nim hnub phov tsa muaj stroke.
You can't build a foundation if Hmoob tsis hlub hmoob. If a foundation is built by one group of Hmong, the others who opposes this opposition will definitely demolish the foundation. Just look at the GVP Statue for an example. Why do Hmong hate other Hmong so much to go cut off the head of the statue? Plain and simple "Hmoob tsis hlub hmoob" because money talks more then respect.
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You can't build a foundation if Hmoob tsis hlub hmoob. If a foundation is built by one group of Hmong, the others who opposes this opposition will definitely demolish the foundation. Just look at the GVP Statue for an example. Why do Hmong hate other Hmong so much to go cut off the head of the statue? Plain and simple "Hmoob tsis hlub hmoob" because money talks more then respect.
yog mas, koj los yeej hais li kuv hais above thiab. Right now, Hmoob tsis tau paub play "advance" level of political games....Hmoob tseem zoo li cov "cub-scouts" xwb...tsis tau yog full military ready yet. :) Lino es kuv thiab li hais tias, kavtsim sib sib zog build peb haiv neeg (foundation) ua ntej peb tham txog ua tebchaw hmoob.
Cov laus ua nim hnub tuaj tham ua tebchaw Hmoob, lawv tuaj tham kom noj qab nyob zoo xwb. Yog tsis muaj tes no los rau lawv tham, peb cov niam cov txiv yuas ua mob thiab yuas muaj stroke tag tus.
Sometimes, topic such as this zoo rau hmoob coj los tham zos hnub zos hmo... tsis yog all negative talks or money laundry scam xwb. It actually qheb (open) Hmoob lub qhov muag kom POB deb zog xwb. If there's a good idea, but no one talk about it, then it will dies....but even if an idea was seen as stupid, but it gets debate, then it will eventually become a great idea.