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Title: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: hmgROCK on February 06, 2020, 08:44:18 AM
i look at their financial statement yesterday,
when you told me you bought $TWLO call option

i saw them bleeding cash like crazy for past few quarter
good revenue though
told you it's going be tough

told you i will do a PUT OPTION FREE PLAY AGAINST you

you know i've been in this game too long man
this stupid white man's game
seen them all
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: hmgROCK on February 06, 2020, 08:45:44 AM
mind as well kiss that money good bye and ride it out till friday
and see if a miracle happen

Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: hmgROCK on February 06, 2020, 08:58:35 AM
don't be sad.... man
you don't need to ignore me like that
PM me if you need someone to talk to
it just money

i just leave you a quote, i came up with

IT ONLY AFTER THEY CUT DOWN ALL THE TREE, MINE ALL THE CAVES, AND POLLUTE ALL THE WATER...
THEY REALIZED, THEY CAN'T EAT MONEY


-hmgROCK
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: w1s3m0n on February 06, 2020, 09:14:42 AM
Thanks for the note.  I'm up $1.5k for the week.  Can't win them all you know.  Like I said I had a 70% chance of losing, but the payout was too good to avoid.

You know had you done that put play, you would be up like 30%.  Gotta play the game brother.  Just like investing in index.
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: hmgROCK on February 06, 2020, 09:27:49 AM
Thanks for the note.  I'm up $1.5k for the week.  Can't win them all you know.  Like I said I had a 70% chance of losing, but the payout was too good to avoid.

You know had you done that put play, you would be up like 30%.  Gotta play the game brother.  Just like investing in index.

do you know how to read financial statement??
i used to be an accountant (don't work in the field no more)
so i have alot of knowledge
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: w1s3m0n on February 06, 2020, 09:41:58 AM
do you know how to read financial statement??
i used to be an accountant (don't work in the field no more)
so i have alot of knowledge

HR,

Since you are offering that you have a lot of knowledge, please do some research on TWLO or TSLA and run for me a discounted cash flow model of their business.  How much should PHIG (Peb Hmong Investment Group) pay for TWLO and TSLA?  What's fair market today, and what could it be 3-5 years from now.  Show me the owrk.
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: hmgROCK on February 06, 2020, 09:49:44 AM
i made this for you man
$twlo will be good in the long run
as it is growing
short term play.... you probably going get crush


(https://i.imgur.com/yTkaqSc.jpg)
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: hmgROCK on February 06, 2020, 09:51:17 AM
HR,

Since you are offering that you have a lot of knowledge, please do some research on TWLO or TSLA and run for me a discounted cash flow model of their business.  How much should PHIG (Peb Hmong Investment Group) pay for TWLO and TSLA?  What's fair market today, and what could it be 3-5 years from now.  Show me the owrk.

oh..... TSLA and TWLO
run away

let them RICH white meeka folks loose their money
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: w1s3m0n on February 06, 2020, 10:14:50 AM
I just scalped TSLA from $715 to $750 today.  :)  Easy money on supports and resistance.
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: hmgROCK on February 06, 2020, 10:16:33 AM
I just scalped TSLA from $715 to $750 today.  :)  Easy money on supports and resistance.

shorts gotta cover... man
not that hard

you keep saying this and that
but we never see anything

plus you always post AFTER THE RESULT
:2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: w1s3m0n on February 06, 2020, 10:17:21 AM
shorts gotta cover... man
not that hard

 O0  Gotta get in on the money train.
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: hmgROCK on February 06, 2020, 02:11:55 PM
iono man
the way you describe stuff
how you perfectly TIME THE TOP AND BOTTOM

i think you are just poker bluffing
paper trading with monopoly money

this shyt is hard, man
i'm not going go into a trade unless im 100% sure i will

Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: hmgROCK on February 06, 2020, 02:14:38 PM
to be honest
i think you might be one of those 80% of american who don't even own any stock
when we ask for PIC, you start to get hostile

you should read some of my thread i wrote
it's goood stuff NONE BS

Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: w1s3m0n on February 06, 2020, 02:37:26 PM
to be honest
i think you might be one of those 80% of american who don't even own any stock
when we ask for PIC, you start to get hostile

you should read some of my thread i wrote
it's goood stuff NONE BS

You are right.  I'm a paper trader.  But if you want to know whether I am or am not, it'll cost you.
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: theking on February 06, 2020, 04:26:33 PM
iono man
the way you describe stuff
how you perfectly TIME THE TOP AND BOTTOM

i think you are just poker bluffing
paper trading with monopoly money

All I know is he challenged you and you back pedal with your tail tuck between your legs  ;D:

$100 to my PayPal and I'll show you the real statement.  January 2020.  DM me if you wish to proceed.

Quote
this shyt is hard, man
i'm not going go into a trade unless im 100% sure i will


And you call yourself the "hmong Nostradamus and is always right"??  ???

WHAT A "bluffing" FRAUD... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: hmgROCK on February 07, 2020, 10:50:54 AM
You are right.  I'm a paper trader.  But if you want to know whether I am or am not, it'll cost you.

naw i don't need to know
the way you describe stuff
how you are able to perfectly time the TOP and BOTTOM   O0 O0
after the result

i already know you are NEW
paper trading

you should really read some of the other thread i wrote
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: hmgROCK on February 07, 2020, 12:09:47 PM
You shouldn’t be gambling man
Just go there for the casino buffet

 O0
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: tRouBLe on February 07, 2020, 12:10:51 PM
w1s3m0n, you should start a journal or thread about investments.  I’ve read your posts and they are/can be informative to someone who is interested in or already are investing.  O0
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: hmgROCK on February 07, 2020, 12:15:35 PM
w1s3m0n, you should start a journal or thread about investments.  I’ve read your posts and they are/can be informative to someone who is interested in or already are investing.  O0

Naw
He just gambling
If he’s being honest, and show us his chart
He down big time this week
Thats why he refused to show any pic
When we are all up

$opgn $twlo $goos

Are just some losing play off the top of my head

I bet against him in all those
And won
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: hmgROCK on February 07, 2020, 12:19:07 PM
Just do the opposite of WISEMON
And u will win for sure

I found this tactic to work better
Ive been right in all my bet against him
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: tRouBLe on February 07, 2020, 12:22:16 PM
hmgROCK, you do understand the concept of investing, don’t you?  You’re going to win some and lose some, that’s a given......unl ess you’re really lucky and are at the right place/time to invest in something when the business first starts and will mainly increase over time.

For myself, I prefer to play it safe so my rate of return is very low.....and it just sits there for a very long time.   ;D
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: hmgROCK on February 07, 2020, 12:27:18 PM
hmgROCK, you do understand the concept of investing, don’t you?  You’re going to win some and lose some, that’s a given......unl ess you’re really lucky and are at the right place/time to invest in something when the business first starts and will mainly increase over time.

trouble

what he is doing is just pure gambling
should probably seek some gambling addiction help
he's no where to be found today


because his $GOOS call option went south

aka..... he going lose all his money... whatever much he play
ALL OF IT.... if the stock don't get back up above the strike price

ask him to post a PIC.... dude starts getting hostile at me

if he bet $5k..... you can kiss that good bye
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: hmgROCK on February 07, 2020, 12:33:49 PM

For myself, I prefer to play it safe so my rate of return is very low.....and it just sits there for a very long time.   ;D

the energy sector is low  (buy low, sell high)
buy some ENERGY ETF:  $VDE, $XLE,

and hold till for 4-6 months  $VDE  get out at $80
                                             $XLE   get out at $60

YOU CAN THANK ME at the end of the summer

 O0

if i'm wrong, you can come bash me at the end of the summer
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: w1s3m0n on February 07, 2020, 04:18:02 PM
Just for the record.  I got in OPGN and made 1.2k on a day trade.  It was 10 ticks I traded.  If you cannot be honest just shut up dude.

I did a TSLA option play and I ducked up...It should have been expiration for 2/7 versus 2/28.  Had I done the 2/7 the return would have been 20x...Imagine putting 2k into an option that has almost no chance of succeeding and getting 80k back.  Instead my option only paid me 30%, and since I exited within the 1st 5 minutes of open trading I didn't get the 100% return.  Later that day I thought about parabolic options playing and I looked for some extremely contrarian play.  I decided on TWLO and GOOS.  I knew TWLO was on the 52wk high and everyone was betting it down.  As a contrarian, you do the opposite, and so I did the opposite and I went against the trend.  I could have played it safe and kept the equity because I was up 5% on the equity.  Next came GOOS.  The China and HK protest slammed the stocked down.  If there is no lower guidance the stock would soar to $40.  However, being unlucky, the CEO said there will be headwind from coronavirus and HK protest.

If you are an aggressive trader and who want to make massive returns you have to GO AGAINST THE GRAIN and be a CONTRARIAN.  You'll get CRUSHED, but when you win, you win BIG.  The strategy I used is called SPREAD BETTING.  The probability for TWLO and GOOS were both low alpha with 100% beta.  I'm reflecting if I should play these low alpha nad 100% beta risk options and how can I better assess which low alpha and 100% beta option I should get in order to maximize return.  Through my thinking, I've come to an understanding that instead of playing through the ER, I should buy 2-3 days before ER and sell the option based upon support/resistance.

I should have been backtesting but sometimes you YOLO.  Suffering makes you learn faster.
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: theking on February 07, 2020, 04:25:30 PM
w1s3m0n, you should start a journal or thread about investments.  I’ve read your posts and they are/can be informative to someone who is interested in or already are investing.  O0

Agree but HOLY SHINTO!!!

As you just made the other guy that doesn't really know about "investments" but continues to display his lack of knowledge even after getting called out publicly by other PH members poop in his pants big time.. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: theking on February 07, 2020, 04:27:51 PM
hmgROCK, you do understand the concept of investing, don’t you? ;D

Good luck with that..even with visual aide, NOT possible for him to "understand".. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: theking on February 07, 2020, 04:31:44 PM
trouble

ask him to post a PIC.... dude starts getting hostile at me

That's not what happened so STOP "lying" as you'll just continue to dig your "lying" hole even deeper and make yourself look even worst by "lying"...

Here's what happened, he challenged you directly and you back pedaled and tucked your tail between your legs:

$100 to my PayPal and I'll show you the real statement.  January 2020.  DM me if you wish to proceed.
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: w1s3m0n on February 07, 2020, 04:40:57 PM
HR,
You are right, I did lose two, but I hit my TSLA option.  Had I held it to the end of the day, it would have been worth $2600, but I sold early and only got $1k.  I also scalped TSLA the following day for $500.  Prior to that I had 1k+ trading OPGN.  That's 2.5k in profit.  I lost $1.2k on options.  Then today I also made another trade that I lost another 1.6k...So all in all, a week's work turned out to be -$300.  Most people look at this and say, you spent 40 hours trading, 10 hours studying the market, and you made -$300...go get a job at McDonald's.  But when you operate a P/L enterprise, you don't win every account.  Sometimes you lose.  What you care about is what's your average return.  YTD I'm still up.

Everyone has their method.  What we should do is learn from their mistakes.  What we shouldn't do is trash talk and be a crab because the entire mission of PH was to connect Hmong people and help us all grow in knowledge.  You yourself said you want to help PH members learn in the white man's game.  I do too.  But why do you need to feel so territorial?  Did I offend your knowledge?  Did I make you feel small?  Perhaps...

We can have different opinions and be civilized about it.


trouble

what he is doing is just pure gambling
should probably seek some gambling addiction help
he's no where to be found today


because his $GOOS call option went south

aka..... he going lose all his money... whatever much he play
ALL OF IT.... if the stock don't get back up above the strike price

ask him to post a PIC.... dude starts getting hostile at me

if he bet $5k..... you can kiss that good bye
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: w1s3m0n on February 07, 2020, 04:44:22 PM
w1s3m0n, you should start a journal or thread about investments.  I’ve read your posts and they are/can be informative to someone who is interested in or already are investing.  O0

Thank you for the recommendation .  I'll probably do that.
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: darkhelmet on February 07, 2020, 04:59:54 PM
Guys it's just money.  You're still young, you can go out and make more.
Spend it however you want, or invest it in whatever method you want. 

One of my nephew was playing TSLA options that one crazy day, he was up $100k and didn't sell.
Next day it dropped so hard, not sure how much he got out of that.  Point is ... you lose some, you win some.

End of the day, you live with it, learn and move on.

Some like the slow and steady tortoise way using index funds.  Some want to go the hare way and play aggressive.  There's no right or wrong way, it's just your way.

In any case, why not embrace both?  They both work for different people.  As well, many people like myself, do both.


Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: w1s3m0n on February 07, 2020, 05:09:37 PM
Greed kills man...He was up to 100k on TSLA and didn't sell...damn... I would have sold on the quickness!  Today I was greedy too and that's how I lost 1.6k...YTEN didn't do a continuation like MYO and I didn't sell on 1st red tick and so I got screwed holding down to support being broken..   :(

The other thing is I recall when I was in my late twenties I made a biotech play and it shoots up 150% and I made 30k...I held like a moron.  Sold at a loss a week later because I thought it was going to go to the MOON like a noob.   :2funny:  Always take profit...but greed kills..
 
Guys it's just money.  You're still young, you can go out and make more.
Spend it however you want, or invest it in whatever method you want. 

One of my nephew was playing TSLA options that one crazy day, he was up $100k and didn't sell.
Next day it dropped so hard, not sure how much he got out of that.  Point is ... you lose some, you win some.

End of the day, you live with it, learn and move on.

Some like the slow and steady tortoise way using index funds.  Some want to go the hare way and play aggressive.  There's no right or wrong way, it's just your way.

In any case, why not embrace both?  They both work for different people.  As well, many people like myself, do both.
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: hmgROCK on February 07, 2020, 08:20:15 PM
Greed kills man...He was up to 100k on TSLA and didn't sell...damn... I would have sold on the quickness!  Today I was greedy too and that's how I lost 1.6k...YTEN didn't do a continuation like MYO and I didn't sell on 1st red tick and so I got screwed holding down to support being broken..   :(

The other thing is I recall when I was in my late twenties I made a biotech play and it shoots up 150% and I made 30k...I held like a moron.  Sold at a loss a week later because I thought it was going to go to the MOON like a noob.   :2funny:  Always take profit...but greed kills..

-$1.6k
-$30k

Lol. Damnnnn.  Thats my wife RAV4
Don’t even need a down payment

And here we are
These PH gang trying to all jump on me
For telling the truth

Yall make a fuzz about my $5
But....... cricket... on $1.6 or $30k
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: hmgROCK on February 07, 2020, 08:34:37 PM
Best if you don’t show us a PIC
Can’t stomach it

-$2k to -$5k loss

Wooooo

Thats a nice one week getaway to disney world
Being honest, if my wife finds out im gambling like that
I will become a hmong homeless, like monkey bee yang
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: w1s3m0n on February 07, 2020, 09:00:17 PM
HR,

You are only reflecting on your personal skills.  if you can't even be a bean counter, you probably don't have the chops to do day trading.  Stick to the total market index because historically you cannot lose.  So let's just put it at that.

Best if you don’t show us a PIC
Can’t stomach it

-$2k to -$5k loss

Wooooo

Thats a nice one week getaway to disney world
Being honest, if my wife finds out im gambling like that
I will become a hmong homeless, like monkey bee yang
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: hmgROCK on February 08, 2020, 09:22:32 AM
HR,

You are only reflecting on your personal skills.  if you can't even be a bean counter, you probably don't have the chops to do day trading.  Stick to the total market index because historically you cannot lose.  So let's just put it at that.

Losing -$30k???
Damnnnn
I won’t even have the face to come in here
And tell everyone “im a good day trader”

/loseface


Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: w1s3m0n on February 08, 2020, 02:04:16 PM
Losing -$30k???
Damnnnn
I won’t even have the face to come in here
And tell everyone “im a good day trader”

/loseface

How about making 100k too?  All you can think about is your losses, and you never focus on your successes.  It's why you cannot be a professional accountant and you sell yourself short as a 20k employee   BROTHER!  WAKE THE duck UP.  YOU GOT POTENTIAL.  STOP BEING SCARED.  BE VULNERABLE, BE BRAVE.  YOU CAN DO THIS TOO!  DO YOU NEED MY HELP?

DM if you need help.  I honestly love helping those who want to help themselves too. 
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: hmgROCK on February 09, 2020, 12:29:01 AM
How about making 100k too?  All you can think about is your losses, and you never focus on your successes.  It's why you cannot be a professional accountant and you sell yourself short as a 20k employee   BROTHER!  WAKE THE duck UP.  YOU GOT POTENTIAL.  STOP BEING SCARED.  BE VULNERABLE, BE BRAVE.  YOU CAN DO THIS TOO!  DO YOU NEED MY HELP?

DM if you need help.  I honestly love helping those who want to help themselves too.

Pretty sure, he say -$100k loss
You got gambling addiction
Should seek help
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: w1s3m0n on February 09, 2020, 03:28:40 PM
Fear is what is stopping you!  You need a paradigm shift in your attitude or you will stay exactly where you are at...  Why do you feel you don't deserve to make 100k?  Why do you think you can't be a 1%?  REACH BEYOND THE STARS!  Everyone is born with the god-spark...we are all equals but our perspective and interpretation of the reality is different and so the outcome are different!  Essentially, the 1% says, I can, and the 99% I can't.

Pretty sure, he say -$100k loss
You got gambling addiction
Should seek help
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: hmgROCK on February 09, 2020, 05:29:39 PM
Fear is what is stopping you!  You need a paradigm shift in your attitude or you will stay exactly where you are at...  Why do you feel you don't deserve to make 100k?  Why do you think you can't be a 1%?  REACH BEYOND THE STARS!  Everyone is born with the god-spark...we are all equals but our perspective and interpretation of the reality is different and so the outcome are different!  Essentially, the 1% says, I can, and the 99% I can't.

Bro

If you going tell a story
At least tell it right
Pretty sure he say -$100k loss

Thats alot of benjamin $$$$

People kill and murder each other for less than that
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: w1s3m0n on February 09, 2020, 07:17:30 PM
Bro

If you going tell a story
At least tell it right
Pretty sure he say -$100k loss

Thats alot of benjamin $$$$

People kill and murder each other for less than that

You might kill for 100k...but not me.  I value my life much, much higher.  See you gotta break out of that redneck thinking from Wisconsin.
Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: hmgROCK on February 09, 2020, 07:28:47 PM
You might kill for 100k...but not me.  I value my life much, much higher.  See you gotta break out of that redneck thinking from Wisconsin.

Hmong redneck yo
I can’t wait to for the whitebass run

Title: Re: wisemon...you okay brother????...i try to warn you about $TWLO $150 call option
Post by: theking on February 09, 2020, 11:03:32 PM
Hmong redneck yo

NOT surprised based on what other PH members have said about your "reading" and "math" skills...