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Life & Living => Money & Investment => Topic started by: hmgROCK on November 01, 2022, 10:02:25 AM

Title: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 01, 2022, 10:02:25 AM
i want to make a bet against you
you say it will drop another 20%
i say $350-360 SPY is the bottom

we have a really strong economy at the moment
even with inflation high

my neighbor just bought a brand new chevy silverado


 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: theking on November 01, 2022, 07:16:03 PM
I'm still waiting to see this idiot's claim:

Stock market crashing hard

It's been over 250 since the war in Ukraine has started and it's still in the thick of things but no sign of the "Stock market crashing hard" yet as claimed by some idiot ... ???
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: walley on November 02, 2022, 07:03:57 AM
 ;D ;D ;D  I'm curious where I said it'll drop another 20%. The market has some green days from institutions positioning for FOMC and this idiot is talking like he is a genius. Anyone with some basic technical analysis skill could have guessed that SPY could bounce around the 350 area. The macro view is a different story and idiots like hmgpebble have zero clue. I don't care to come around here much, but do check once in a while. There is no point in having a conversation about the stock market with a mentally handicapped $10 an hour worker that thinks he is a stock market genius. I'll give you some free hints. Today is an important day. We will either see the market start moving back towards the SPY 400 area or start to come back down. Keep drinking that strong economy koolaid.  ;D
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: walley on November 02, 2022, 07:16:52 AM
On a side note, I pay more fees from day trading in a day than what you make in a week. You shouldn't have to work a $10 job if you are that great. Start supporting your claims on here and people will take you more seriously. Otherwise, keep slaving away at that job and keep drinking that strong economy koolaid.
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 02, 2022, 07:19:31 AM
;D ;D ;D  I'm curious where I said it'll drop another 20%. The market has some green days from institutions positioning for FOMC and this idiot is talking like he is a genius. Anyone with some basic technical analysis skill could have guessed that SPY could bounce around the 350 area. The macro view is a different story and idiots like hmgpebble have zero clue. I don't care to come around here much, but do check once in a while. There is no point in having a conversation about the stock market with a mentally handicapped $10 an hour worker that thinks he is a stock market genius. I'll give you some free hints. Today is an important day. We will either see the market start moving back towards the SPY 400 area or start to come back down. Keep drinking that strong economy koolaid.  ;D

NO THANKZ
YOUR FREE HINT = LOSING MONEY

Like i say man
I think we bottom out
Hard floor here

I don’t think you can “SEE” anything
What happen to your recession talk all of sudden

 ;D ;D ;D


Anyone with basic financial literacy would have already seen this coming a while ago.
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 02, 2022, 07:25:51 AM
On a side note, I pay more fees from day trading in a day than what you make in a week. You shouldn't have to work a $10 job if you are that great. Start supporting your claims on here and people will take you more seriously. Otherwise, keep slaving away at that job and keep drinking that strong economy koolaid.

Why are you bragging about paying for fee??
This is some NEXT LEVEL cringe stuff

Plenty of brokerage offerings free trade

Gone are the days of $4.95/trade

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: theking on November 02, 2022, 09:18:53 AM
;D ;D ;D  I'm curious where I said it'll drop another 20%.

As "we all" can see, there's no "20%" in THAT GUY's babbling anywhere.. :idiot2: ;D

Quote
There is no point in having a conversation about the stock market with a mentally handicapped $10 an hour worker that thinks he is a stock market genius.

THAT GUY doesn't even work as he just goes "underground" to steal from the poor and leech off the elderly folks he lives with.. :idiot2: ;D
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 02, 2022, 09:31:23 AM
We will either see the market start moving back towards the SPY 400 area or start to come back down.

Really nice play on word
Almost like that Schrödinger's cat
Its both dead and alive
Its going up or down

 ;D ;D ;D

Let me know

I will bet against you

50/50 chance
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: walley on November 02, 2022, 10:05:55 AM
As "we all" can see, there's no "20%" in THAT GUY's babbling anywhere.. :idiot2: ;D

THAT GUY doesn't even work as he just goes "underground" to steal from the poor and leech off the elderly folks he lives with.. :idiot2: ;D


 ;D ;D ;D ;D


hmgpebble... I'll even give you a time. Pay attention to the stock market starting at 2PM EST today.
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: Cali Guy on November 02, 2022, 10:22:39 AM
Why are you bragging about paying for fee??
This is some NEXT LEVEL cringe stuff

Plenty of brokerage offerings free trade

Gone are the days of $4.95/trade

 ;D ;D

Haha, spoken like a genuine novice!
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 02, 2022, 10:28:28 AM

 ;D ;D ;D ;D


hmgpebble... I'll even give you a time. Pay attention to the stock market starting at 2PM EST today.

I already know, my dude
Just tell me if its going up or down today
None of this BS play on word
Its going up and down

I will do the opposite of you

 ;D ;D

IF IT CLOSE $400 today you win and i lose???

We will either see the market start moving back towards the SPY 400 area or start to come back down.
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 02, 2022, 10:32:30 AM
Haha, spoken like a genuine novice!

I’ve been in the game a long time
Those $9.99/trade etrade baby are over

Plenty of brokerage offerings zero fee
Like FIDELITY AND ROBINHOOD

Gone are those greedy ass brokerage days
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: walley on November 02, 2022, 10:54:29 AM
Haha, spoken like a genuine novice!


 ;D ;D ;D  Exactly! Now he wants me to bet that the market will move 5%+ to the upside today so he can bet against me.  ;D ;D ;D  He claims "I already know, my dude" (probably after some research), but doesn't understand that it will be a total gamble in a few hours. I don't understand why he is not at minimum a millionaire now since he claims to be in the game for a long time and is the nostradamus. hmgpebble... go back and run those machines. I'm done here. Again, hard to argue with a mentally handicapped person who thinks he knows what he is doing in the stock market.
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: walley on November 02, 2022, 11:03:55 AM
Actually, here is my bet for you hmgpebble. If SPY is over 400 or below 360 by the end of day then I will call you the best trader ever! If SPY close between 360 and 400 you will close your account and leave PebHmong.com.
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: Cali Guy on November 02, 2022, 11:31:22 AM
I’ve been in the game a long time
Those $9.99/trade etrade baby are over

Plenty of brokerage offerings zero fee
Like FIDELITY AND ROBINHOOD

Gone are those greedy ass brokerage days

If it’s zero, it’s not considered a fee, duh!! Can your mind be that shallow? lol

You been in the game a long time but you haven’t improved much.
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 02, 2022, 11:38:18 AM
If it’s zero, it’s not considered a fee, duh!! Can your mind be that shallow? lol

You been in the game a long time but you haven’t improved much.

He saying his day trading fee is > my work pay

Why are we still paying for fee when many brokerage offer zero fee

 ;D ;D

Damn dude go relearn your ESL CLASS
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 02, 2022, 11:41:00 AM

 ;D ;D ;D  Exactly! Now he wants me to bet that the market will move 5%+ to the upside today so he can bet against me.  ;D ;D ;D  He claims "I already know, my dude" (probably after some research), but doesn't understand that it will be a total gamble in a few hours. I don't understand why he is not at minimum a millionaire now since he claims to be in the game for a long time and is the nostradamus. hmgpebble... go back and run those machines. I'm done here. Again, hard to argue with a mentally handicapped person who thinks he knows what he is doing in the stock market.

I’m just trying to figure out how if you betting up or down on FED TALK
Because your dumbass is betting both

 ;D ;D ;D

Almost like Schrödinger's cat
The cat is both dead and alive

Today is an important day. We will either see the market start moving back towards the SPY 400 area or start to come back down. Keep drinking that strong economy koolaid.  ;D
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 02, 2022, 11:47:48 AM
Actually, here is my bet for you hmgpebble. If SPY is over 400 or below 360 by the end of day then I will call you the best trader ever! If SPY close between 360 and 400 you will close your account and leave PebHmong.com.

What kinda of bet is that???
Just tell me if it going closed red or green
After FED TALK

50/50 chance

I pick the opposite of you
Im a fair guy
I even let you pick first

 ;D  ;D ;D
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: walley on November 02, 2022, 12:09:57 PM
 ;D ;D ;D  hmgpebble... truly a novice. I'll let you in on a little secret... People bet both ways on days like today all the time and people sit on their hands. Again, having the concept of only betting up or down shows that you are a "genuine novice". Of course, you would have learned that because you have been the "game for a long time", but you being mentally handicapped can be used as excuse. Learn that and maybe you will be on your way to stop running those machines. I'm out of here until whenever I feel like coming back.
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 02, 2022, 12:37:30 PM
;D ;D ;D  hmgpebble... truly a novice. I'll let you in on a little secret... People bet both ways on days like today all the time and people sit on their hands. Again, having the concept of only betting up or down shows that you are a "genuine novice". Of course, you would have learned that because you have been the "game for a long time", but you being mentally handicapped can be used as excuse. Learn that and maybe you will be on your way to stop running those machines. I'm out of here until whenever I feel like coming back.

i don't paper trade

if you put $100 on up
and $100 on down
if it goes either way, you will lose/come out even


again..

is it going be up or down after FED TALK??
today is a important right
the market can't be up and down at the end of the day
just one way

 ;D ;D

Today is an important day. We will either see the market start moving back towards the SPY 400 area or start to come back down. Keep drinking that strong economy koolaid.  ;D
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: theking on November 02, 2022, 12:45:06 PM
All that idiotic babbling and rambling still zero sign of the "20%" from THAT GUY.. :idiot2: ;D
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: Cali Guy on November 02, 2022, 04:25:48 PM
He saying his day trading fee is > my work pay

Why are we still paying for fee when many brokerage offer zero fee

 ;D ;D

Damn dude go relearn your ESL CLASS

We all understood that most brokerage firms do not charge a fee to simply buy and sell but there are more options than just buy and sell and the firms want their share. That’s where you come in and claimed the dumbest person award on ph because you simply can comprehend beyond buy and sell. No explaining.

Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: theking on November 02, 2022, 11:41:23 PM
"That’s where you come in and claimed the dumbest person award on ph..."

 ;D ;D ;D


When you make "dumbest" ignorant contradictory claims like these, you have no business in the finance and investment sector:

(https://i.imgur.com/ELxVpVs.png)


VS.


dude

you gotta invest in the stock market index ...
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 03, 2022, 07:21:34 AM
We all understood that most brokerage firms do not charge a fee to simply buy and sell but there are more options than just buy and sell and the firms want their share. That’s where you come in and claimed the dumbest person award on ph because you simply can comprehend beyond buy and sell. No explaining.

Don’t think you even know what you typing half the time
Are you on CRYSTAL METH or something
Talk like a druggie suffering from WITHDRAW


Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 03, 2022, 07:24:35 AM
;D ;D ;D  hmgpebble... truly a novice. I'll let you in on a little secret... People bet both ways on days like today all the time and people sit on their hands. Again, having the concept of only betting up or down shows that you are a "genuine novice". Of course, you would have learned that because you have been the "game for a long time", but you being mentally handicapped can be used as excuse. Learn that and maybe you will be on your way to stop running those machines. I'm out of here until whenever I feel like coming back.

Thats not how it works man
The market did end up tanking yesterday
You say it was moving to $400
You also say it would move down
Gratz. You lose one and won one


Its going up or down today <<<<< my prediction today, im going be a dumbass like you
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: Cali Guy on November 03, 2022, 09:20:40 AM
Don’t think you even know what you typing half the time
Are you on CRYSTAL METH or something
Talk like a druggie suffering from WITHDRAW

You meant withdrawal and not withdraw because you’re the dumbest person on ph. You might even be on meth because you write and share your opinions like you’re suffering from withdrawal.

Break your virgin and go buy options to see if your brokerage firm won’t charge a fee.
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 03, 2022, 09:36:58 AM
You meant withdrawal and not withdraw because you’re the dumbest person on ph. You might even be on meth because you write and share your opinions like you’re suffering from withdrawal.

Break your virgin and go buy options to see if your brokerage firm won’t charge a fee.

ROBINHOOD... dog
sheesh

yall people are some of dumbest people on earth

 ;D ;D ;D

the days of FEE are OVER!!!!!

YOU ARE A DUMBASS IF YOU STILL PAYING
PLEASE JUST SHUT YOUR MOUTH
YOU DON'T KNOW SHYT

 ;D ;D ;D

https://robinhood.com/us/en/about/options/

Commission-Free Options Trading
Level up with options trading. Intuitive design, no commission fees, and no per-contract fees.
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: Cali Guy on November 03, 2022, 10:19:59 AM
ROBINHOOD... dog
sheesh

yall people are some of dumbest people on earth

 ;D ;D ;D

the days of FEE are OVER!!!!!

YOU ARE A DUMBASS IF YOU STILL PAYING
PLEASE JUST SHUT YOUR MOUTH
YOU DON'T KNOW SHYT

 ;D ;D ;D

https://robinhood.com/us/en/about/options/

Commission-Free Options Trading
Level up with options trading. Intuitive design, no commission fees, and no per-contract fees.


Said the guy that can’t tell the difference between withdraw and withdrawal. How are you supposed to qualify for Robinhood’s options program?
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: walley on November 03, 2022, 10:22:17 AM
 ;D ;D ;D  Robinhood  ;D ;D ;D  You further confirm that you are a "genuine novice". Keep letting them sell your order flow. The median account size at Robinhood is $240. Most of the users are at the expert level as hmgpebble.
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 03, 2022, 11:03:01 AM
Said the guy that can’t tell the difference between withdraw and withdrawal. How are you supposed to qualify for Robinhood’s options program?

check with your brokerage requirement
some require you to have enough cash/stock to cover the option etc...
some require enough account value to even trade option

it's all YMMV

https://robinhood.com/us/en/support/articles/options-investing/

i never eat any FEE when i trade option on robinhood
i think yall boys are confusing MARGIN ACCOUNT
where you trade with money you don't have


Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: theking on November 03, 2022, 11:05:20 AM
All that babbling and rambling and still zero sign of the claimed "20%"...

Plus, the HYPOCRITE also said so nothing new, just more LIES:

but me... personally?
money is meaningless to me..
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 03, 2022, 11:08:09 AM
;D ;D ;D  Robinhood  ;D ;D ;D  You further confirm that you are a "genuine novice". Keep letting them sell your order flow. The median account size at Robinhood is $240. Most of the users are at the expert level as hmgpebble.

bro...

i screenshot my $100k robinhood account in here already
it's just my play account money for fun

messing up your order flow??
bro... robinhood is right on the money
off by a few cents
if you upset over a few cents.. hahaha

my schwab... that one im over 25 cent sometimes

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 03, 2022, 11:10:39 AM
bro walley

i'm still trying to figure out your bet from yesterday
you say it going end up
than you also say it going end down

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: theking on November 03, 2022, 02:26:21 PM
bro...

i screenshot my $100k robinhood account in here already


Yeah the FAKE "$100k screenshot" that Duma and wi3em0n challenged the "compulsive liar" (per the neutral PH members) to prove and he just tuck and ran because he also knew he LIED...

THEREFORE:

yeah i just make that stuff up

Just lied, dude
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: theking on November 03, 2022, 02:27:18 PM
Again, all that babbling and rambling and THAT GUY still can't provide the FAKE claim of "20%".. ;D
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: Cali Guy on November 03, 2022, 02:59:34 PM
check with your brokerage requirement
some require you to have enough cash/stock to cover the option etc...
some require enough account value to even trade option

it's all YMMV

https://robinhood.com/us/en/support/articles/options-investing/

i never eat any FEE when i trade option on robinhood
i think yall boys are confusing MARGIN ACCOUNT
where you trade with money you don't have


You’re waaaaay slow. You based your whole argument from your one perspective of Robinhood and think the stock market revolves around Robinhood. lol
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 03, 2022, 10:32:53 PM
You’re waaaaay slow. You based your whole argument from your one perspective of Robinhood and think the stock market revolves around Robinhood. lol

There are many brokerage now
I just happened to use robinhood

I don’t think you know anything

 ;D ;D ;D

JUST ASK MAN
I’ve been in the game for a while
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: theking on November 03, 2022, 10:46:22 PM
Really "don't know anything" like the neutral PH members said...

When you make "dumbest" ignorant contradictory claims like these, you have no business in the finance and investment sector:

(https://i.imgur.com/ELxVpVs.png)


VS.


dude

you gotta invest in the stock market index ...
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 03, 2022, 10:47:03 PM
No investment troll

Lol
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: theking on November 03, 2022, 10:50:14 PM
Says the "biggest troll" per the neutral PH members:


hmgrock you're the biggest troll i swear... i honestly don't think your online persona is real other than to troll..

Bro HR,

I called you a negative nancy.  I also said INO is a day trade because of the volatility.  At least get your information right.

If you are here to help people, why are you the biggest troll in this forum?  In addition to being the biggest troll, you don't even understand trading. 


Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 07, 2022, 10:41:27 PM
Walley

You still think we going into a recession??
I think we are already in one
And bottoming out

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: theking on November 07, 2022, 11:40:43 PM
NOPE, still no "20%" any where...just same old babbling...fro m THAT GUY... ;D
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 15, 2022, 01:06:00 PM
Where is walley???
I hope he is doing okay

The dude was calling for a recession

 ;D ;D

You time the top
And the bottom


<<<< hmong Nostradamus for a reason
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: theking on November 15, 2022, 06:49:20 PM
NOPE, still no "20%" any where...just same old babbling...fro m THAT GUY... ;D

And speaking of "<<<< hmong Nostradamus for a reason", here's how THAT GUY did during the recent Power Ball drawings...

Powerball November 5th results:

28, 45, 53, 56, 69, 20


VS. The self proclaimed "hmong Nostradamus and is always right"...GUY even though he's wrong time and time again:


Quote
this is it man
going put in my two week notice

no more working in the factory
and taking shyt from anyone

(https://i.imgur.com/rJPcB99.png)

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: walley on November 16, 2022, 08:00:30 PM
Two weeks and this idiot is already claiming victory.  ;D ;D  I guarantee he has no clue what is going on at the macro level and has no clue about institutional positioning for this week. I can make money regardless if the price goes up, down or nowhere. The people that brag about being right all the time are the ones that actually don't make money.  ;D  Keep playing that lottery and running those machines. It's the poor people like hmgpebble that gets hurt the most and yet most of them have no clue.
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: walley on November 16, 2022, 08:06:07 PM

Walley


You still think we going into a recession??
I think we are already in one
And bottoming out






Where is walley???
I hope he is doing okay


The dude was calling for a recession






You time the top
And the bottom




<<<< hmong Nostradamus for a reason


Again, this idiot said we are in one and then all of a sudden we are now out of a recession eight days later even though growth companies continue to layoff tens of thousands of employees. It's hard to have intelligent conversations with people that are dumb as a rock like hmgpebble.
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 16, 2022, 10:16:25 PM
Two weeks and this idiot is already claiming victory.  ;D ;D  I guarantee he has no clue what is going on at the macro level and has no clue about institutional positioning for this week. I can make money regardless if the price goes up, down or nowhere. The people that brag about being right all the time are the ones that actually don't make money.  ;D  Keep playing that lottery and running those machines. It's the poor people like hmgpebble that gets hurt the most and yet most of them have no clue.

Bro…

You say two week ago $400 spy closings is NO
Anddddd here we are
 ;D ;D

I just beg to differ
You see I don’t papertrade like you

I KNOW MY SHYT

I expect a bounce back to $400


<<<< HARDCORE SEASON VET
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 16, 2022, 10:19:01 PM



Again, this idiot said we are in one and then all of a sudden we are now out of a recession eight days later even though growth companies continue to layoff tens of thousands of employees. It's hard to have intelligent conversations with people that are dumb as a rock like hmgpebble.

I never say recession
THATS WHY I MADE THIS THREAD DUHHHH
ITS IN THE NAME
You were calling for it

This is just normal market movements
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: theking on November 16, 2022, 11:51:24 PM


I KNOW MY SHYT

Your "don't know anything" (per the neutral PH members) "advice" are pure "SHYT" for sure...just asked that poor girl Renaissance regarding your "SHYT" .."advice"  :idiot2: ;D:


GE stock as of today is $11.69 per share.  Someone is giving bad investment advice 
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: hmgROCK on November 18, 2022, 11:02:17 PM
Walley is just an amateur

<<<< season vet


The dude hasn’t been right on any of his prediction
Title: Re: where in the world is the PH walley???..... recession? in 2023..
Post by: theking on November 18, 2022, 11:07:20 PM
Just checking to see if there's any "20%" evidence posted but NOPE, same old "ALL HAT, NO CATTLE"...

I bet Walley knows more about the stock market than the GUY below:


(https://i.imgur.com/ELxVpVs.png)


VS.


dude

you gotta invest in the stock market index ...