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Hmong Culture & History / Re: Hmong Green vs. Hmong White
« on: February 13, 2013, 07:13:57 PM »
No. There's no written or oral record of such thing.

I think the Hmong have been divided among ourselves, even within clans and families, because of our religious affiliations and even lack of open-mindedness in the past. But we have never fought ourselves in a revolutionary war or war for territories.

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Outdoors & Recreational Hobbies / Re: Lets Start A Post Your Fish Thread.
« on: February 11, 2013, 08:56:38 PM »
Your first time fly-fishing? It's lots of fun but harder too.

I have never fly-fished before. So, yes, it's going to be my first.

I heard it's a high-class kind of thing and that its lots of fun. Mostly trout fishing, right? Does it work with white bass and other fishes?

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Outdoors & Recreational Hobbies / Re: Lets Start A Post Your Fish Thread.
« on: February 11, 2013, 02:16:29 PM »
I'm going to try fly-fishing this spring to summer for sure. After smelting, of course.

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General Education / Re: Circumcision...
« on: February 01, 2013, 10:08:38 AM »
The answer is AIDS.

Drugs are too expensive and not readily available.  One of the best way to decrease the number of new cases is circumcision.  Dirt and microorganisms can harbor there and wreak havoc, but that is not the main reason here.  The underside of the foreskin is very sensitive and does not provide much barrier.  This is a vector for the transmission of the HIV.  According to medical research, men who are uncircumcised are 8X more like to contract the virus versus those who are circumcised. 

Oh.

News in St. Paul is suggesting that people shouldn't circumcise because many new refugees don't and are doing just fine.

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inform your parents that you will bring home your bride and plan out a day/time. this will give your parents time to prepare and call a relative to 'fi xov', notify the bride's parents.

-when you & bride approach the front door, tell your parents 'niam thiab txiv kuv coj tau nyab los tsev" and then 'pe' your parents and beg them for their support and help with the wedding. your dad will use either a live chicken, broom, tree branch, etc to 'lwm qaib' and welcome you/bride into the house.

-your parents will call relatives and tell them to go to the bride's house and inform her parents. they will need to bring money, drinks/cups and cigarettes.

-the actual wedding starts at your house. relatives will tie strings around you/wife wrists. the wedding party (mej koob, best man, father of the ntxhais tais ntsuab) will sit at the table along with other elders and 1 close elder (uncle) representing your parents.

-after the meal, the 2 mej koob will ask you and your best man to pe. take of your shoes and when the mej koob give thanks to your parents/relatives/spirits, you and the best man go down on you knees and up.

-then it's time to go. you and the best man will carry the blanket/food/basket kawm. the best man carries the basket and you the blanket.

-there is a rest stop along the way to the bride's house. the mej koob will prepare the chicken from the basket and everyone will eat before moving on.

-once you arrive at their house. the mej koob will advise you to follow them in a specific order. once you get inside, take off your shoes and prepare to 'pe' a few times.

the rest of the night will be negotiation and some of your relatives will join you at the inlaws' house.

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the next day...

-wake up early to help with the butchering and cooking. invite your relatives to come help.

-there will be a first meal, breakfast. everyone will eat, including outside relatives and women/children.

-after the breakfast, the wedding starts. the inlaws appointed relatives 'dab laug, nuj tij, nus npaws' will sit at the table along with your respective 'niam txiv tom ub (your close uncle/relative) best man and you.

-your mej koob will partner up with the other side's mej koob. they will appoint someone at the table to be the moderator and oversee any bitter/sweet exchange. he will explain, no crossing your arms/legs and do not speak the word 'tas (done)' instead use the word 'meej'

-wedding begins. the inlaws' mej koob will ask the bride's relatives to thank your parents (niam txiv tom ub) for the money, food, wedding. this is when everyone gets up and thank your side. they will thank your mejkoob, uncle, you and your best man.

-your mejkoob will thank their relatives and inlaws for the food/wedding. this is when they will get up and thank the inlaws relatives and other mejkoob. at this time, you and your best man, stand up and thank the 'nus tij and nus npaws'. if you don't know how or what to say, here's the simplest version:

"ua tsaug. niam txiv tom ub ua tsis muaj kab muaj ke tuaj los niam txiv tom no ua muaj kab muaj ke tos. ua tsaug niam txiv tom no." ---simple

-after the ua tsaug, there will continue to be a few rounds of beers. watch carefully (hands, gestures) of the mejkoob or person drinking to you. do as they do and remember to always fill the cups all the way. if a can of beer seems low/empty, don't pour it halfway otherwise you will have to drink a half full/empy cup and refill.

-your bride and maid will dress and stand next to you and the best man. the mejkoob will ask you to stand up,  take off your shoes and bow. the other mejkoob will direct you/best man to bow. this is when the nus tij/nus npaws will bring a blanket and cover the area where you will be bowing. they will place 2 cups of beer in the center of the blanket. your mejkoob will negotiate to remove the blankets and you and your best man will have to drink the beer.

-now 'pe' till you can't stand up. ha-ha.

-after this, everyone will sit and the nus tij/nus npaws will present to the mejkoob the type/size of cups they'd wish to 'zeem' you and your best man, their new brother n laws. this toast "zeem" is called 'nyuj sib nraus' or 'bull fighting' metaphor for the cups clashing in the middle.

-they often refer the cup as 'nyuj'.

-the nus tij/ nus npaws will start from one side, you/best man will start from the other depending where you sit. sometime, there will be a nus tij/nus npaws on both ends and they will start. when 'zeem' tell the person you're drinking to your full name, that today you are married to their sisters/daughter/niece and that from now on you will honor/acknowledge your relationship as brother n laws. drink then pour and pass to the next person.

-other people will zeem and give you beer. if they give you a different size cup than the size agreed by the mej koob, ask that person to clear it with your mejkoob. the people have no right to force you to drink a different size/can or different beer/liquor.

-the mejkoob will go over the list of people who have given you gifts/money and how much your inlaws have given to you/wife. you and your wife will get advice from the relatives.

-when the time comes, your mejkoob will request to leave. nus tij/nus npaws will take the blanket and basket outside, wait there with a can/cup of beer. when your party is out the door, offer to drink the beer and take back the blanket/basket. you take the blanket, your best man takes the basket.

-walk to the car. another rest stop to eat the chicken.

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back at home....

-your parents and relatives prepare food on the table.

-when you get home, you will have to bow a few times.

-the same people will sit at the table and the mejkoob will explain the whole wedding to your parents/relatives. they will go over any problems encountered and read/give the list of the people that have donated gifts/money to your parents. your uncle who went and sat at the wedding table with you will review the wedding and give his testimony of the event.

done. happy marriage.








 O0 O0 O0

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News Headlines / Re: Fresno Hmong 18 Clan suit HNYN
« on: December 25, 2012, 06:08:48 PM »
10k is a lot to just fight over some disputed...... .......

You want to get in on the fray, you should pay, too, right? If money is an issue, then shouldn't have gotten there in the first place.

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News Headlines / Re: Fresno Hmong 18 Clan suit HNYN
« on: December 25, 2012, 02:56:46 PM »
The guy Eugene Her asked to borrowed money from one of his cousin\nephew to pay lawyer fees or start the New Year but he told him No! If it is for something else then maybe but for this......... Those leader or member of 18 clan each have to come up with 10k each to ..............

Really? Why not just use the organization's money to pay the lawyer's fees? But 84K isn't much. Aren't there 12 board members or something? 10K each and they have 120K soon.

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News Headlines / Re: Fresno Hmong 18 Clan suit HNYN
« on: December 25, 2012, 10:34:48 AM »
Peb cov nom tswv laus no ua tau muaj ceem kawg nawb yom.

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Positive News / Re: Daughter Saves Father
« on: December 19, 2012, 07:01:26 PM »
also reminds me of this: at 2:46 to 2:58.


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Outdoors & Recreational Hobbies / Re: POST YOUR HUNTING PICS THREAD
« on: December 19, 2012, 02:03:49 PM »
That air gun is doing you some good, Roc. O0 O0 O0

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Creative Writing / Re: .
« on: December 07, 2012, 01:44:36 PM »
wow good one who wrote this? O0

Thanks for the compliment.

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Nyob Zoo Peb Hmoob / Re: Xyum has lug MoobLeeg huv nuav
« on: November 25, 2012, 06:21:43 PM »
You meant "open the lid"?

Peb Hmoob dawb:  "qhib hau lauj kaub"

Moob Leeg:  "cem haus lauj kaub"?

 :2funny: :2funny:

To us Moob Dlawb, cem is tshev in Moob Leeg.


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Here's a final and complete version compiled by HAP.

http://hmong.org/page33422626.aspx

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Outdoors & Recreational Hobbies / Re: POST YOUR HUNTING PICS THREAD
« on: November 12, 2012, 02:48:06 PM »
Mine was a bit smaller or younger. lol


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