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Hmong News / Re: Hmong populations by U.S. states: 2010 Census Bureau Reports
« on: November 17, 2011, 12:51:45 PM »i would LOVE to find out who the 1 in Vermont i...
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Funeral Rituals & Customs / Re: How to Ua tsaug thaum tso plig ????
« on: November 16, 2011, 12:25:05 PM »seb yog ua tsaug dabtsi ma? nyiaj txiag?? dagzog?? ua qhua? su? mo? tshavntuj? cov no nwg muaj nws thiab...
tsi tag li, seb koj yog hmoob white or hmong green thiab...vim tias cov hmong white changed many of the wordings in the past few years, making it very "smooth" at times and even "comical" at times...
to understand ua tsaug, you have to understand where it came from....when the hmong king got killed by the chinese (some say it was chiyu...some say it wasn't him), the mong were not allowed to go get his body for a proper funeral burial. so...the chinese waited until his body is rotted out...except the bone...and the shield (this is the lub kauj vab came about), and the clothing. his body also still has a sword stuck in his body (this is how the chinese killed him).
so...the mong plead and plead...and the chinese finally allowed mong to bury the body....but there is not body..only bones..and rot out clothing...wha t's left are the bones, torned cothing, the sword, and the shield...so the mong picked up everything and put them on the inner side of the shield and carried it home for burial. because there is no body, the regular funeral wasn't not performed...in stead, they decided to "tso plig"...
so....because there was no body, they wer enot sure how to 'dress" up the bones...so they decided to make handles onto the shield and put the clothing over it. they had to remove the sword too.....and remove the shield from the bones/clothing....
so ua tsaug is nothing more than repeating what they have done..."nkauj plig rov los daws nkauj vab (the shield) nkauj lev (shield) ntawm ntaj (sword) ntawm duav, ntawm hmab ntawm suav, koj tsi cia li, koj ho xav kwv xav tij, xav neej xav tsav....and then the same words as in regular funeral...."
hope that help
yaweh
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Funeral Rituals & Customs / Re: How to Ua tsaug thaum tso plig ????
« on: November 16, 2011, 12:24:54 PM »HELP!!!! Anyone!! Had never done this line in the past....
Can anyone please post on how to ua tsuag thaum tso plig rau ib tug tuag lawm??? Like a final farewell after a year or so... Heard it's a little bit different from the actual xyom cuab "Ua Tsaug" at the funeral services.
I thought you "ua tsaug" only at the actual funeral, not at the spirit-releasing ceremony. And you "ua tsaug" only if someone donates. If they don't, and you are just so pleased to have their visit, you simply say "ua tsaug koj tuaj txhawb/koom peb lub ntees thiab nawb." Needs not be elaborate like the one returned for their donations.
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Hmong Stories / Re: Hmong ghost stories
« on: November 15, 2011, 05:08:37 PM »yeah kuv paub mas.. i only gave her and grandpa some flowers.. my mom and dad took care of the food.. heeheehee
You all went there at the same time then?
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Hmong Stories / Re: Hmong ghost stories
« on: November 15, 2011, 10:54:30 AM »ok, i visit this thread quite often and that pic is freaks me out every time. i'm avoiding page 198. hurry and post some more so we can go to page 199.
Haha...we have moved here now.
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Hmong Stories / Re: Hmong ghost stories
« on: November 15, 2011, 10:54:09 AM »oi, fawker! i clicked in so that it will disappear off my unread post list. wasn't expecting that.
You have come to the right place. If you can read scary stories, what's wrong with looking at scary photos?
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Hmong Stories / Re: Hmong ghost stories
« on: November 15, 2011, 10:53:51 AM »no i wasnt scare reporter... plus my husband wasnt there at the grave yard with us.... he was at the farm helping my sister and her in laws...
That I understand. You felt she wouldn't do you harm, so you weren't afraid...but, you know, where she is, there are lots of dab toj ntxas that you just don't see, ok? Just FYI. That's why whenever you drop off foods to her, you should throw some around her grave to feed them so they won't steal the plate you are giving her. You have to tell them to eat just the ones you have thrown around the grave and that they shouldn't take away what you are giving your granma though. If you don't say that, they will eat those and also take hers.
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Hmong Stories / Re: Hmong ghost stories
« on: November 14, 2011, 03:15:34 PM »its not scary but it does tell something that little kids do see things. this happen this year during the summer time i think it was j4 weekend.. my husband and I along with out nephew and my son went to GB for my sister thingy she was doing that weekend. it was saturday and before heading out to the farm. it was me my son my nephew and my niece went to meet up with my parents. we were meeting up at my grandma and grandpa burial place. my parents didnt arrive yet but we were there waiting.. and my son kept looking at the picture and telling who that person was. I told him that it was grandma.. and he said Oh!.. few minutes later he said.. Mommy... grandma in the picture is walking that way... and i was like Oh! i wasnt scared of what he said.. I thought to myself that my grandma probably walked away cause maybe she didnt know who we were cos i didnt tell them it was me visiting them since its been so like forever.. hehehe that was my bad.
You sure you didn't freak out? Let me hear the details of the incident from your husband. lol...
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Hmong Stories / Re: Hmong ghost stories
« on: November 14, 2011, 03:14:09 PM »That picture doesnt scare me.
You are just not admitting it. You are scared. You know it.
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Hmong Stories / Re: Hmong ghost stories
« on: November 14, 2011, 03:13:48 PM »omg reporter...now im going to have nightmares! i havent run across anything scary lately too. lol.
hehe...ooops.. .someone wanted to know what the sashes should be for.
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Wedding Rituals & Customs / Re: R women allow to snd their hub bck to his parents when wanting2divorce
« on: November 13, 2011, 08:46:32 PM »
She can just run off to her parents. This has been called nkauj fa.
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Hmong Stories / Re: Hmong ghost stories
« on: November 13, 2011, 07:08:43 PM »khaub hlab liab khaub hlab ntsuab..hehe os........tsk tsk....scary if you see this at night somewhere....isn't it's daiim siv nees or something?
It is.
Look at it on the dead above.
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College Life / Re: Some thing I should have done in college.
« on: November 13, 2011, 05:48:04 PM »Apply for foodstamp/food support!
What good does it do you to have food stamps for food when the school was already paying for your foods at the cafeteria. I would understand if you wanted cash for the movies and clubs. But food stamps?
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Hmong Stories / Re: Hmong ghost stories
« on: November 13, 2011, 03:27:49 PM »what's that pix suppose to mean?
For peb cov uas tsis tshua paub txog hmoob culture daim duab no tsis scare peb li os. So what tis it. ?
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Online Journal / Re: Share your journals
« on: November 13, 2011, 03:09:22 PM »
11/13/11--St. Paul, MN--Just went back to Forestville yesterday. Got six more dozens of eggs. The farmer remembered me and said he has had problems keeping up with the egg sales. People have been buying too many and his chickens just haven't laid enough of them for us. I had wanted 20 dozens yesterday. But all he got left were six dozens.
Forestville State Park, somewhere in southern Minnesota (Saturday, Sept. 25, 2011)--I came here to hunt squirrels but got lost finding my way back. And then I ran into a farmer who was selling gourds, eggs, and pumpkins. I stopped by his house and asked for direction to the highway that would lead me back to Rochester. I also bought 10 dozens of brown farm-fresh eggs from him, and found my way back to St. Paul.
How I was lost: there was a road that led directly to the highway to Rochester. But I went the other way on that road instead. That's because it's full of farms and similar-looking corners around here.
But the hunting was not that great. I walked 45 minutes through a state park before I got to the hunting area. I crossed two streams, one already had a bridge made of three logs. Some Hmong must have done that, since I could not imagine a Caucasian knowing how to do that or even thinking of doing that. I have seen Hmong people build bridges this way before.
Then I went up a hill, got thirsty, sat down to drink and eat a little snack before moving on.
My partner and I spent the entire day there and got just one squirrel.
We returned to the parking lot just to meet a park ranger who seemed to question me harshly.
"Where did you just come from?" he asked.
"From the trail. We went hunting over the hill," I told him.
"Where did you hunt?" he asked.
"By the hill, past that hunting sign on the trail. There's a sign that says 'Public Hunting Permitted' or 'Allowed,'" I said. "And on the other side, it says 'Restricted. Shooting and Hunting Prohibited.' But we crossed the river and went up the hill and hunted up there. Real far away."
He said some horseback riders have complained about seeing people carrying guns in the state park. I told him they never saw us since we were up on the hill when they were riding by. I meant to say they have lied to him. But I didn't see a need to say more on that, since we haven't done anything wrong. Even if they had seen us, there's nothing illegal that we have done anyway. So I did not allege that they had lied. We did hear them and the horses gallopping and the horses blowing their noses, I added. "But they could not have seen us. We were over the hill pass the stream and in the woods at that time," I said.
The man went on to say that the horse riders claimed to have seen two people carrying guns by the metal bridge just down the hill from the parking lot. He felt the two people carrying gun description identified us, since has just seen us carrying a gun and there were just two of us. Whether he made that up or not, I don't know.
"We didn't meet anyone by the bridge and no one saw us with a gun."
Apparently, the park ranger said the horse riders claimed the gun or guns carried by the hunters they saw had the guns cased--whoever it was have done this legally.
"The law is that you can carry guns in state parks but they must be cased," he said.
Mine was cased and he saw me carrying the cased gun onto the trunk of our van. He did not say anything about that.
The ranger then said that people were not happy seeing other people carrying guns in the state parks, suggesting that we hunters needed to stop going hunting at Forestville. That's how his words felt to me.
I told him there was a sign by the trail that allowed hunting in that part of the state park. I even described the writings on both sides of the sign to him. Then I said, "I understand, especially kids. Kids can get scared if they see guns. But that is something you will have to take up with the state. The place allows hunting."
"Have you hunted here before?" he asked.
"Yes. Nine years ago."And I told him other people have hunted here, too.
The ranger realized I was right.
"I am not with law enforcement, and you are not in trouble or anything," he said.
Of course not. What problem would there be? I have not done anything wrong. He saw my cased gun. He knew there was a hunting spot there. If he had checked, he would have seen the one squirrel I got that day--6 short of the daily limit--along with my small game hunting license, and nothing else illegal.
He asked for my name and phone number. I gave them to him. I then asked if he wanted my ID and other information, too. He said he didn't want them and that he just wanted my number in case he wanted to ask more questions after talking to some other people who have hunted that day.
The ranger then added that he and management might have to find some different and better ways to allow the hunters to get to the hunting area.
The ranger reached out to shake my hand. I shook his hand.
"Nice to meet you," he said. And he let me go.
The horse riders cannot try to take over the park for themselves. That's one thing I'm sure of.