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If a guy is average looking and when he finally finds his exceptional girl who will like him for him, that girl will more likely be a 3. This explains the reason why women who message you first tend to be uglier, that’s because those are the girls you can get based on your smv (sexual market value).

If we look at fat people for example, a fat guy dates a fat woman. The only time this is an exception is when the fat guy has money (aka sugar daddy).

Now a handsome guy can get dates and relationships but he’s not sugaring. Now if he decide to sugar, he still have to pay because that’s how sugar works. Sugar is always allowance no matter if the guy is attractive or not. Just because he’s handsome doesn’t rule him out. Sugar is supposed to be mutual beneficial. But he doesn’t need to sugar if he’s handsome enough. He can just stick to regular dating. Why do you think incels exist?

If the handsome guy get in a relationship with the girl she will not receive allowance but she’s probably still benefiting from his lifestyle and I’m sure he still spends on her, just not giving her cash directly.

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Comparing two celebrities to 99% of us is not realistic. Most guys are not comedians and celebrities are in a completely different world. If you haven’t notice a lot of celebrities date each other. You have millionaire dating other millionaire. Most dimes are dating CEOs, athletes, pop stars, sugar daddies etc. you don’t see a dime with average broke dudes.

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Hah, subscribing to Yasmi Only Fan but get no action. I’d rather pay and get action  :2funny:

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Exactly, she just has different expectations. How is that any different from those sugar babies who are seeking for a establish man to support her? Normal dating and sugar dating is the same thing except with financial support. They just have different expectations. Those sugar babies wouldnt look for a regular guy that doesn’t financially support her. That is why if you are vanilla guy and the woman is a sugar baby she will not date a vanilla loser.

If you’re average in looks but have a good personality, good hygiene, gives a good allowance,  then your looks don’t matter that much. She can find things about you she’s attracted to. The rest can make up for it. But if you’re average and you don’t have those other things then it will go against you.

It can also be argued that paying is better than cold approaching dozens of women just to get rejected. You will pay with your time and energy too chasing low interest women that don’t see value in you.


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I don't know if I can believe that. I see attractive women who want a relationship with the average guy all the time. However, it's the men who don't want commitment. That's probably why women stopped caring and started only wanting Chads. If average men are going to be like that then might as well shoot for the Chads.

I know women who are exactly like that. They will only allow themselves to fall in love with a Chad. If they don't get a Chad then they will settle for less but the lesser guy can never hurt them emotionally. And when they don't care about the guy, the guy is simping all over her.

On the surface it might look like they do, but deep down average guys are all paying lol. They are providing or have something the woman can benefit from long term.  The only time they aren’t paying is if he’s a 7 and she’s like a 3. But if he’s average and she’s a Stacy, there’s no way he can get her just with game alone.

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I don't understand why these women don't just be with a man who wants a real commitment. I guess those men are far and few these days.

Women only go for Chad. They want relationship from Chad and every one else is simping them. The guys who are all
below her wants her, but she wants the top tier guy.

Man have to either look really hot or make money.

Most men don’t fit women’s sky high standards lol

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It’s a type of relationship. Look at it this way… when you are normal dating a woman, ask yourself why she is with you. Let’s say she’s with you because she finds you physically attractive, okay, but what if you’re broke and you can’t pay the bills? Do you think those women will still be around? You could argue that they may still be around, but most women won’t for long if you’re unemployed.

One of my first normal relationship was with a Hmong woman. At the time I was like 19 and she was 30. Huge age gaps. She is a Christian woman and she still dumped me because I couldn’t financially support her. At 19 I was too young to provide. She was 30 and lives on her own while I was still living with my parents. To me, at the time, that was fake too. She didn’t love for who I am.

Women can’t love you unconditionall y.  The woman that love you unconditionall y is your mom lol.

Same way a guy doesn’t want a fat woman, a broke guy NO deal for most women.

So sugar dating to me is based on the male being the provider role. It’s defining the relationship upfront without going through all the hoops like in a normal dating. Whether it’s real or fake that depends on the intent of the individual.

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Correction:

Attraction is not necessary if there is a contract involved.  You are setting up an allowance with terms and she is just playing the actress role to get payed.  This is why it is legal to be in a SB/SD relationship.  Even the website is advertising money in exchange for "gifts"... vs escort is money in exchange for sex

50% of the SB job is to fake the funk like giving you emotional support, something  you can not get or lacking in your life.  Is the term for her not to have other Sugar daddy?  She is free to get as many clients as she wants.  It is still legal to be a gold digger. 

Bottom line, she needs her bills payed and you need that emotional support.  There is something wrong with the both of yall.  Both of you guys are faking the funk so might as well go to hollywood and make a career out of it.  She is calling and texting you with sweet stuff right?  It comes with the job.  Keep them allowance coming and if you put me on your allowance, I'll text you day and night too.   ;D

Sounds like you don’t go out and do normal activities.

I would say most arrangements are straight sex for money arrangement. It works best if both of you are clear on expectations. How often do you guys text or talk on the phone between meets.

I see my SB once or twice a week and we are on allowance.

The problem can also be that you didn’t pay her enough so she feels like her needs aren’t being met so she has to go see other SDs. It’s common for this to happen because women has needs and 1 SD can’t fulfill all of them. If we aren’t exclusive I can do the same too. I can see other women.  It’s just that the SD have to invest a lot more to secure exclusivity. You have to know how much she is getting from the other 1-2 SDs she is seeing. If she stop seeing them she no longer has income so you need to close that gap. You are competing with other daddies lol. If you are on the lower end of the budget then she’s placing her priorities somewhere else. She’s prioritizing the one that is given her more money.

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The Single & Dating Scenes / Re: Women date up
« on: September 17, 2022, 09:10:11 PM »
See her more

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Exactly. Same reason men wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for sex. Take sex and money out and no one would benefit from the relationship. That’s why it’s silly when someone say women are in it just for the money.  You wouldn’t be here either  :2funny:

The best answer is not to really think about this. I simply give her money because I’m generous and I like to take care her and she 100% enjoys it.

If you try to get sex first she aint gonna give it up. She ain’t dumb to get used by men lol. Only a naive girl will do that.

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The Single & Dating Scenes / Re: Focus on her initial interest
« on: September 17, 2022, 02:43:30 PM »
If she finds you attractive, she wouldn't want a dime out of you.  You don't have to pay her for anything.

Sugar relationship is a dependency.  IF it is not payed, she wouldn't need you.  Who here works for free?   O0

Take away sex and most men would leave in a heartbeat. I saw a video where a black man took a black woman out to dinner and she refused to go home with him or refused to give him sex and he didn’t pick up the tab or he made her split the bill.

There are still some women that expect the man to provide when dating them. Some women will not date a guy who expects them to go 50/50.

Some women are just looking to date guys who are more establish and well off and could provide for them. Guys who aren’t going to complain about taking her out and do nice thing for them.

You payed for a fake relationship.  Bravo, like watching a movie, great acting job.  You got played and you don't even know it.  Then again, you payed for that emotional support, one that you can not get but must be bought.

Ask anyone who is married and tell them if money is a part in their relationship, whether it is child support or helping each other getting out of debt. It might not be true love to you, but it doesn’t mean she don’t enjoy our time and that feelings aren’t real. They certainly are real. Lol.

In a normal relationship, she may be with you for the emotional support but what happens to a guy that can’t give her the emotional support? She will dump him quick too because he lack the emotional support. Why would women date a guy that can’t support her?

If your job provides you with career growth and it stops, you would leave the job to find a new better job. Also if the money stop, so does the relationship. That shit apply to every relationship.

Having a fake relationship means someone was one sided and lying in order to stay like cheating or changing the terms  to fit one sided unequally. It’s not fake if both partner held their end of the terms.   


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Double post

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Whether money alone is sufficient, that depends on the sugar baby/escort. I disagree with the "Most SBs have to find you attractive" point as that's not their main objective. Their main objective when they signed up to be a sugar baby is support usually in the form of monetary (cash) or material (gift).

It’s really a personal decision. Some sugar babies need to find you attractive, have chemistry and an emotion connection before they get intimate, others do not.

Escorts don’t usually factor in looks or personality. They only screen the guy. You’ll find a number of women on sugar sites who are escorts and not really a SB. Just like on Tinder you’ll find a few number of women who are not looking to date you, but will try to sell you their services through web cams or Only Fans. So there’s a mixture of escorts and SBs.

A John is not even a sugar daddy. Sugar daddy do not see prostitutes. Johns are just looking for sex.

To me the difference is the behaviors and activities. Both escorts and SBs have different behaviors. I personally prefer SBs over escorts. Escorts don’t communicate with you in between meets. They avoid these things. You only call when you ready to go do the deed. My SB and I communicate between meets and are in constant communication. She don’t charge me per hour. She don’t look at the clock. So many things to lay down here but I think you get it.

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Like sugar babies, if escorts are paid enough, I bet they'll have no problems doing those things either as money talks when it comes to many of those in the escorts and sugar baby segments and their services.

Money is necessary in sugar dating, but it’s not sufficient. Most SBs have to find you attractive. Many are not just gonna have a sugar relationship with anyone that can pay them. They’re going to look more than just your ppm or whatever. They’re gonna want to see if you’re a good fit, your looks, your personality etc. But most sugar relationship don’t begin unless there is agreement on provision. An escort usually has too many high body counts with random dudes because the volume is higher.

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Cool.

Without an emotional connection it’s simply never work even if you are paying. Most arrangement just fizzles out.

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