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General Category => Debate Central => Topic started by: hmgROCK on March 22, 2019, 11:06:37 AM
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i know you like to posted picture how how china came from growing rice to building skyscraper
you do know that china is a Socialism state right???
you and along with the GOP likes to make bonus claim how it will never work
(https://freedomandheritage.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/ChinaCommunism.jpg)
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/12/4e/5c/dc/the-westin-bund-center.jpg)
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you go visit china
you better be in your best behavior
those socialism communism don't play
https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/14/sport/ucla-basketball-players-leave-china/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/14/sport/ucla-basketball-players-leave-china/index.html)
Three UCLA basketball players accused of shoplifting in China last week returned to Los Angeles on Tuesday.
Video showed the three freshmen greeted by a media scrum as they walked out of a Los Angeles International Airport terminal about 6 p.m. (9 p.m. ET).
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You didn't watch any of the youtube videos I curated to educate the Hmong people. China is a MERITOCRACY. The Chinese system of government, MERITOCRACY have existed since the dynasty days when a political official had to test into a position of authority and power. Effectively, China operates MERITOCRACY since the days of CONFUCIUS. Their economic engine is a FREE MARKET economy within the special economic zones.
Look up Zhang Weiwei.
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Also, Zhang Weiwei and other philosophers like him dislike how the western world always try to fit their system into the connotation that the west is used to. For example, the west calls their system of meritocracy a socialist or communist government like you are. They take offense to the west defining their system.
Here's another example. The Hmong people are so dumb we let the west define our history and it confuses the crap out of his. In addition, we also let the west define our belief. The west says we believe in Shamanism. That's a bunch of baloney. The Hmong belief system is deeply rooted in Taoism, and if we are to be real about things, the Hmong belief system predate Taoism because our Hmong identity prediate Hans.
Finally, China does not adopt a socialist viewpoint inline with the West. The economic disparity in China is GREAT. There is no equality in China. There is no equity in China. The best receives the rewards, and the most vulnerable, well, they are left to be second class citizen.
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Their economic engine is a FREE MARKET economy within the special economic zones.
Look up Zhang Weiwei.
i love watching chinese movies on youtube
before the movie start, you will see a green screen of the communist party views and logo and etc...
(https://charlotteluo.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/china-film-logo.png?w=665&h=374)
china is not a FREE MARKET
the state control everything including business, movies, lands, etc...
sure, you might be the CEO, but the government control it
it is best describe by JACK MA (richest man in asia) in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNWlyr7_gKs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNWlyr7_gKs)
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just google "is china a capitalism or socialism state"
they were founded on communism Marxist socially ideal
and still is
they have a "social currency" where you can't buy plane ticket if it gets too low
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HR, here you are again telling China what is China. Chinese political pholosphers say, our form of government is MERITOCRACY. It has always been this way since the dawn of Chinese civilization. You use Jack Ma as your political expert. He's not. Listen to Zhang Weiwei.
I'll cede that Mao founded PRC under Marxist/Leninism. The China of Mao and the China of today are not the same. Mao was idealistic and he wouldn't allow free market or capitalism to come into China. This resulted in China's isolation regionally and China's dependence on Russia. Around 1978, Deng Xiaoping came into political influence and power. Deng opened up China. The result of his work is SIGNIFICANT and DRAMATIC. I wrote about this already. I'll restate it here for those who cannot remember or refuses to learn.
Prior to 1978, China's extreme poverty rate was around 88%! That means 9 out of 10 Chinese were starving, malnutrition or living under $1 a day. Deng realizing they had no economic means to bootstrap themselves, Deng sought to make a trade with the west. Deng would open China to economic prosperity through what we call Special Economic Zone. In these SEZ, the economy will run like the west, capitalistic and free-market. Outside, they will remain the same. This was the compromise made. Fast forward to today, the SEZs have generated so much wealth and prosperity that now less than 10% of Chinese are living in extreme poverty. Those who are living in extreme poverty sadly are outside the reach of the economic zone. This is why annually, people in the hills and outskirts come to the Special Economic Zone to work and then return home. Capitalism, Free Market, and the West are directly responsible for investing in China and raising China's living standard. No historian, economic, etc... dispute this. This is universally accepted that it is CAPITALISM that RAISED China to where it is....NOT SOCIALISM...NO T COMMUNISM.
How do we know this? It's quite simple. Before capitalism/free market China had 88% extreme poverty. 30 years after capitalism/free market working in China, less than 10% extreme poverty. Effectively, the only significant change to China is THE ECONOMIC.
Today, the great debate in China is whether China operates under SOCIALISM, COMMUNISM, OR MERITOCRACY. Currently, the political philosophers like Zhang Weiwei who lived and studied in the west are claiming, China has always operated under its own system since the dawn of their civilization, MERITOCRACY. Their social programs may reflect socialism, democracy, communism, etc... but the core underpinning philosophy is let the best operate, and they will take care of everyone else. It is not so much a system of state own operation or not given in China you see both a democracy and communism system. For example, in Hong Kong, they are democratic. In the Special Economic Zone, they are both. Outside HK and SEZ, they are more communist. When you look at IMPACT, you see that systems with the least communism performs SUPERIOR on a measure of wealth generation, but performs INFERIOR to the generation of social equity. China political philosopher is wise and insightful and he says, it's not ONE SYSTEM vs. ONE SYSTEM. It's a HARMONY, BALANCE, like the YIN-YANG.
Deeply rooted, China philosophy is not western, it's very eastern. China system of government is not western, it is deeply rooted in eastern. A label is merely a label. China meritocracy seeks to build harmony, cohesion, balance, just as it has always been so through concepts like balancing the YIN-YANG.
I hope this helps you understand China and open your eye to not group thinking...Chi na does not group think because it is a meritocracy and they allow the best ideas to win. Best here meaning having the most significant social utility to the majority.
Sometimes I think you cannot understand what I am writing because you are stuck in your ways...Be open to other systems of thinking. I've examined socialism and communism, and we know from the fall of USSR that communism and socialism are easily corruptable which makes them not durable. It's the durability of an idea and of an institution that matters more than the ideal state of an idea or an institution. Utopian societies and ideals do not last long because human being have not evolved away from their reptilian brains and wolf brains. We still fight/flight with the reptilian brain and we still fight through the dominance hierarchy of the wolf brain. The only way for Utopian society to flourish and be possible is if we see each other as part of each other... Jesus of Nazareth said that we are all part of the body of Christ. Each one of us being part of the whole with the God Head leading. What is the God head? It's the Word and the Way. In Taoist belief, and even in Hmong belief we often talk about THE WAY...The WAY is the WORD...and the WORD is the GODHEAD. Within this paradigm, each one of us with a purpose, each one of us loved and cherished and etc...
However, humanity refuses to accept this notion of unity because we value individualism over the whole..more so greed like those of the vices, and deadly sins as written in the Old Testament. So here we are...Until humanity has evolved to see humanity as a single organism, I see no point in touting socialism or communism because it's not durable for the larger groups like government. I do see socialism and communism working within a smaller group like family, clan, organization, churches, etc..., in fact that is how they operate. On a much larger scale, anybody who operates to lead, cannot lead if they do not take into consideration the state of being of those they are leading. The "being lead" have their own agenda so that's why it is political. The leader can try to educate them to raise their awareness and consciousness but until the group reaches a critical mass in understanding, it won't work. This is the truth about transformation al and change theory. Obama couldn't change DC...and DC changed him. So I applaud your ideas and fight for socialism and communism. They are great ideals, but they are not effective today because people are inherently too selfish today. It doesn't mean such a form won't be effective tomorrow. Maybe in 5-10-20 generations later and humanity will have evolved properly through many martyrs where we truly understand our place in the stars. Right now we are just a wrecking ball...and so right now, pick one that is least bad and allows us to move forward.
There is a movie that sort of talks about a failing Utopian society called Divergent. Honestly, the great Englighten Ones debated this they could not find a solution to the utopian society problem...and so they resolved around individuality. This is why the classical liberals say only you know what is best for you AND the government does not. Social liberals error on believing that the government knows best for the individual. As a classical liberal, social liberals have dangerous ideas in my opinion and this is reflected in the movie Divergent.
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Bro,
You need to stop jumping ship
First you say China is a capitalism
Than you say it communist socialism
Gotta make up your mind
Anyway
CHINA IS A COMMUNIST COUNTRY
ANNNNNDDDD
THAT IS A FACT
BECAREFUL WHEN YOU TRAVEL THERE
They even say it themselves
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Bro,
You need to stop jumping ship
First you say China is a capitalism
Than you say it communist socialism
Gotta make up your mind
Anyway
CHINA IS A COMMUNIST COUNTRY
ANNNNNDDDD
THAT IS A FACT
BECAREFUL WHEN YOU TRAVEL THERE
They even say it themselves
Thank you for considering my safety. I am very careful in China because I am Chinese when I am there because I don't like drawing attention. On the topic, you may want to take a class in Civic or Economics. I think you have some concepts tide together and they are distinct and separate.
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Thank you for considering my safety. I am very careful in China because I am Chinese when I am there because I don't like drawing attention. On the topic, you may want to take a class in Civic or Economics. I think you have some concepts tide together and they are distinct and separate.
You should know than
Since you claim to travel there often
Might wanna be careful what you say and do
At the end of the day
When the dust is settled
China is a social communist country
And they do just fine in terms of economic
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Unlike you socialist liberal promoting illegal immigrants and killing police officers, classical liberals like me, we believe in the rule of law. When in China do as Chinese as they say. So thank you for your concern but you should be much more concern with yourself since you social liberals are very well known for breaking the law, and trashing your own cities. China take these things very seriously and will shoot you.
You should know than
Since you claim to travel there often
Might wanna be careful what you say and do
At the end of the day
When the dust is settled
China is a social communist country
And they do just fine in terms of economic
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Unlike you socialist liberal promoting illegal immigrants and killing police officers, classical liberals like me, we believe in the rule of law. When in China do as Chinese as they say. So thank you for your concern but you should be much more concern with yourself since you social liberals are very well known for breaking the law, and trashing your own cities. China take these things very seriously and will shoot you.
bro, china is a social communist country
just google it if you don't believe me
why you keep thinking they are like us, a democracy
IS IT BECAUSE OF THOSE SKYSCRAPPER building and how only capitalism system can have them??? :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
anyways, here is a internment camp where they take muslim in china to re educated and forced labor
(https://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/China-Forced-Labor1.jpg?w=525)
also don't forget TIBET
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HWg86OaJ5_0/Uktj2hUsADI/AAAAAAAAADs/IdJfEdlddLQ/s1600/nepal_9.jpg)
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You can call yourself whatever you want. It's not what you're called. It's what you believe and do.
You think Lincoln would approve of the Republican party today? Did you know he fought off that flag they're so proud of?
(https://pics.me.me/were-the-party-of-lincoln-trump-2016-32948309.png)
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Keyboard Warrior Rock, stop trying to be smart. You seriously lack any understanding of communist manifesto, and because of that, you are FIRE.
According to The Communist Manifesto, Communism has ten essential pillars:
1. Abolition of Private Property.
2. Heavy Progressive Income Tax.
3. Abolition of Rights of Inheritance.
4. Confiscation of Property Rights.
5. Central Bank.
6. Government Ownership of Communication and Transportation .
7. Government Ownership of Factories and Agriculture.
8. Government Control of Labor.
9. Corporate Farms and Regional Planning.
10. Government Control of Education.
If you examine Chian today, the BOLDED have been violated. Nothing seems to be the case... :2funny:
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Keyboard Warrior Rock, stop trying to be smart. You seriously lack any understanding of communist manifesto, and because of that, you are FIRE.
According to The Communist Manifesto, Communism has ten essential pillars:
1. Abolition of Private Property.
2. Heavy Progressive Income Tax.
3. Abolition of Rights of Inheritance.
4. Confiscation of Property Rights.
5. Central Bank.
6. Government Ownership of Communication and Transportation .
7. Government Ownership of Factories and Agriculture.
8. Government Control of Labor.
9. Corporate Farms and Regional Planning.
10. Government Control of Education.
If you examine Chian today, the BOLDED have been violated. Nothing seems to be the case... :2funny:
you sure about that buddy?
they just come take your house
if they can't they will just make a road around yourself
(https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02406/chi_2406790b.jpg)
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you sure about that buddy?
they just come take your house
if they can't they will just make a road around yourself
(https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02406/chi_2406790b.jpg)
You just PROVED my point... In a communist country they would have taken the land to create the road.
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You just PROVED my point... In a communist country they would have taken the land to create the road.
that house is probably gone
like the many houses around it
and his neighbor houses, you can kinda of see some remain of his neighbor's wall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNWlyr7_gKs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNWlyr7_gKs)
the chinese government is pretty much in control of all the business in china
as JACK MA tell us about his relationship with the chinese government
0:49
"thank you for doing this great thing, BUT NOW WE HAVE TO KILL YOU"
oh look
all his neighbor house have been taken down
one left just a matter of time
probably gone, seeing how it an old pic
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Chongqing_yangjiaping_2007.jpg)
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saudia arabia before oil and after oil
i thought you say
it has to be a democracy capitalism that will only work
ahahhah
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c4b7e1839faea1ae04b338d93fc37042.webp)
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c0bb618ef0114ee9e24f17a9691ba236.webp)
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Who's buying the OIL? The world that operates under a democratic and free market society. Under a monopoly of resource, ANY regime whether it be tyrannical, communism, theocracy, etc... can prosper when they have a monopoly. It is said the riches of King Solomon from the Jewish Bible came from monopolizing iron production in the region. So even a theocracy can be ultra wealthy for a short period of time. BUT, time always proves again and again that a small kingdom like Israel and Saudia Arabia is vulnerable once their natural resources are gone.
Again, you are a neophyte who don't fully comprehend your knowledge. You are the dumb smart people as the Hmong saying goes.
saudia arabia before oil and after oil
i thought you say
it has to be a democracy capitalism that will only work
ahahhah
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c4b7e1839faea1ae04b338d93fc37042.webp)
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c0bb618ef0114ee9e24f17a9691ba236.webp)
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Who's buying the OIL? The world that operates under a democratic and free market society. Under a monopoly of resource, ANY regime whether it be tyrannical, communism, theocracy, etc... can prosper when they have a monopoly. It is said the riches of King Solomon from the Jewish Bible came from monopolizing iron production in the region. So even a theocracy can be ultra wealthy for a short period of time. BUT, time always proves again and again that a small kingdom like Israel and Saudia Arabia is vulnerable once their natural resources are gone.
Again, you are a neophyte who don't fully comprehend your knowledge. You are the dumb smart people as the Hmong saying goes.
bro,
you are the one saying only capitalism system thrived
any country can thrived, even Venezuela before the US start messing with them
i even see North Korea with skyscrapper building
which according to you representing wealth
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AGAIN, You are not well educated and experienced enough to understand Venezuela. When your economy is based upon a single export of OIL and your customers the USA, EU, and etc... says, stop with your human rights violation or we will impose a sanction and you DO NOTHING, then you suffer the consequences. Just so your uneducated mind knows, OBAMA a democrat imposed the sanction.
bro,
you are the one saying only capitalism system thrived
any country can thrived, even Venezuela before the US start messing with them
i even see North Korea with skyscrapper building
which according to you representing wealth
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AGAIN, You are not well educated and experienced enough to understand Venezuela. When your economy is based upon a single export of OIL and your customers the USA, EU, and etc... says, stop with your human rights violation or we will impose a sanction and you DO NOTHING, then you suffer the consequences. Just so your uneducated mind knows, OBAMA a democrat imposed the sanction.
bro,
that excatly the same thing i say, the US is "messing" with venezuela
they been trying to do regime change in south america and the latin state for long time
venezuela used have one of the best economy in south america
might even end up being amazon VIETNAM version 2.0 style
now that the russian and chinese are there helping venezuela
we got some human right violation, ourself
i mean have you seen those cops killing all those unarmed black folks
you are not wise at all
just an OLD MAN
no country for old man
FYI, im not a democrat or GOP
im in the middle, AN independent
I was against the WAR IN
LIBYA, IRAQ, AFGHAN, SYRIA
need to stop these regime changes
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Keyboard warrior, your boy Obama did that because they were doing human trafficking and human rights violation...wh at happen to your morality and ethic bullshit as a socialist? You just a fake ass moralist. Also, you can't think for yourself because you cannot dissect the issues and you focus on group thinking so you don't have to think critically. :idiot2: :idiot2: :idiot2: :idiot2:
bro,
that excatly the same thing i say, the US is "messing" with venezuela
they been trying to do regime change in south america and the latin state for long time
venezuela used have one of the best economy in south america
might even end up being amazon VIETNAM version 2.0 style
now that the russian and chinese are there helping venezuela
we got some human right violation, ourself
i mean have you seen those cops killing all those unarmed black folks
you are not wise at all
just an OLD MAN
no country for old man
FYI, im not a democrat or GOP
im in the middle, AN independent
I was against the WAR IN
LIBYA, IRAQ, AFGHAN, SYRIA
need to stop these regime changes
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Keyboard warrior, your boy Obama did that because they were doing human trafficking and human rights violation...wh at happen to your morality and ethic bullshit as a socialist? You just a fake ass moralist. Also, you can't think for yourself because you cannot dissect the issues and you focus on group thinking so you don't have to think critically. :idiot2: :idiot2: :idiot2: :idiot2:
Again im a independent
And yes, we have human rights violations here in the US
Going and bombing other people countries aka iraq, afghanstain
And somehow we seem to thrive
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Again im a independent
And yes, we have human rights violations here in the US
Going and bombing other people countries aka iraq, afghanstain
And somehow we seem to thrive
You live in the fox valley area. A major success of the area is the war machine. You living good because of war. You should move to somewhere that doesn't use the war machine to make a good living. You might want to try living in Canada.
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You live in the fox valley area. A major success of the area is the war machine. You living good because of war. You should move to somewhere that doesn't use the war machine to make a good living. You might want to try living in Canada.
yeah
oshkosh defense
they make military truck and vehicle
i don't work there or in the defense industry
pay is pretty good $20+/hour
got some cousin and relatives who makes $25/hour working there
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AGAIN, You are not well educated and experienced enough to understand Venezuela. When your economy is based upon a single export of OIL and your customers the USA, EU, and etc... says, stop with your human rights violation or we will impose a sanction and you DO NOTHING, then you suffer the consequences. Just so your uneducated mind knows, OBAMA a democrat imposed the sanction.
This model is exactly why I have concerns about Andrew Yang and his UBI structure. It is totally dependent on automation dividends.
Again, I see too much regulations as the problem. Too much regulation in every aspect of our lives will create a stagnation.
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This model is exactly why I have concerns about Andrew Yang and his UBI structure. It is totally dependent on automation dividends.
Again, I see too much regulations as the problem. Too much regulation in every aspect of our lives will create a stagnation.
I know most people do not like UBI. UBI can be viewed as negative taxation that is routed to the people versus the government. Let the people decide how to use the $$ versus the federal government who will likely re-route it back to the wealthy. Look at all the tax cut and the ZIRP? The middle class got poorer, the lower class got more entitlement and the wealthy got more wealthy. UBI is the way...You gotta read all the literature...i t's not a great solution when examing through a narrow philosophical lense, but it is the best solution when you think pragmatically.