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General Category => Hmong Culture & History => Topic started by: zena on January 06, 2017, 04:40:44 PM
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I'm 89% East Asian and 11% Polynesian.
Current facts from my data report:
1. Polynesians and East Asians do not like to mix race. Data shows that the majority of Polynesians and East Asians are a 100% pure race.
2. Most all Polynesians traveled to the islands via Taiwan way back in history.
3. Hawaii is a Polynesian island (and so is New Zealand).
My question is, if both races are a pure race and I am mixed, it could mean that my ancestors were in a war, and one race lost to the other. Could this mean the Han Dynasty?? or one of the other Dynasties where Hmongs were being slaughtered or assimilated and thus some escaped because they didn't want to assimilate?
What I found interesting was that most all my matches were Hmong people of varying last names. Which means that possibly, Hmong and Polynesians were one race at some point before China slaughtered or assimilated them. They escaped to other countries, including what we know now as the Polynesian Islands.
This also means there is a possibility that if Polynesians and Hmong were one race at some point, and Hawaii is part of Polynesia, that what we call Hmong people now have been part of the United States since its inception.
I am not done with my research. I'm going to do a few other DNA tests with other companies.
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I want to know too :)
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i once took the DNA test, they told me it was incomplete because I was missing the Y
ou chromosome! :-[
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Are those tests accurate? I want to test myself because I have a big nose that my sister says I'm Indian. ;D
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I'm 89% East Asian and 11% Polynesian.
Current facts from my data report:
1. Polynesians and East Asians do not like to mix race. Data shows that the majority of Polynesians and East Asians are a 100% pure race.
2. Most all Polynesians traveled to the islands via Taiwan way back in history.
3. Hawaii is a Polynesian island (and so is New Zealand).
My question is, if both races are a pure race and I am mixed, it could mean that my ancestors were in a war, and one race lost to the other. Could this mean the Han Dynasty?? or one of the other Dynasties where Hmongs were being slaughtered or assimilated and thus some escaped because they didn't want to assimilate?
What I found interesting was that most all my matches were Hmong people of varying last names. Which means that possibly, Hmong and Polynesians were one race at some point before China slaughtered or assimilated them. They escaped to other countries, including what we know now as the Polynesian Islands.
This also means there is a possibility that if Polynesians and Hmong were one race at some point, and Hawaii is part of Polynesia, that what we call Hmong people now have been part of the United States since its inception.
I am not done with my research. I'm going to do a few other DNA tests with other companies.
There is no such thing as a "pure" race. About the purest people left on earth are the Adaman islanders. Everyone else has been mixing, whether recent or ancient...even the native Americans' ancestors mixed with people in north Asia and Siberia before crossing into the Americas.
The "Polynesians" did not migrate from Taiwan directly. Polynesians are part of a larger group of people who speak an "Austronesian" language: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austronesian_peoples . The Austronesian language likely formed on Taiwan. The Austronesians then migrated to the Philippines, then Sumatra. From Sumatra, some groups migrated west to Malaysia, Indonesia and even as far as Madagascar by Africa. Other groups migrated east, to Papua New Guinea and all the Micronesia and Polynesian islands, including Hawaii. Some of the groups that went east eventually formed into people we call "Polynesians" today.
Just because you have "Polynesian" ancestry doesn't mean it's directly from today's people. Going back, Polynesians are part of "Austronesians". "Austronesians" in turn likely sprang from Tai people...yup, ancestors of Thai and Lao. It's believed that a group of people related to Tai people migrated north to the Yangtze river following the coast of China. The chinese called them the "Baiyue" or "hundred yue": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiyue . It's also believed that Hmong people migrated to this area too, before the Chinese came. This is the likely place where your "Polynesian" ancestry came from (the area all around modern Shanghai). It's believed that groups from the "Baiyue" people migrated to Taiwan and formed the "Austronesian" language and people.
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i once took the DNA test, they told me it was incomplete because I was missing the You chromosome! :-[
Only males have the Y chromosome, yDNA. But you can test your Mitochondria, mtDNA. Also, you can get your father or brother to do the Y chromosome test if you want to know about the history of the yDNA in your family.
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I want to know too :)
Where did you get this test from? is it free?
ancestry.com
i once took the DNA test, they told me it was incomplete because I was missing the You chromosome! :-[
Sorry, I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
Are those tests accurate? I want to test myself because I have a big nose that my sister says I'm Indian. ;D
Yes, I'm sure they are.
There is no such thing as a "pure" race. About the purest people left on earth are the Adaman islanders. Everyone else has been mixing, whether recent or ancient...even the native Americans' ancestors mixed with people in north Asia and Siberia before crossing into the Americas.
The "Polynesians" did not migrate from Taiwan directly. Polynesians are part of a larger group of people who speak an "Austronesian" language: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austronesian_peoples (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austronesian_peoples) . The Austronesian language likely formed on Taiwan. The Austronesians then migrated to the Philippines, then Sumatra. From Sumatra, some groups migrated west to Malaysia, Indonesia and even as far as Madagascar by Africa. Other groups migrated east, to Papua New Guinea and all the Micronesia and Polynesian islands, including Hawaii. Some of the groups that went east eventually formed into people we call "Polynesians" today.
Just because you have "Polynesian" ancestry doesn't mean it's directly from today's people. Going back, Polynesians are part of "Austronesians". "Austronesians" in turn likely sprang from Tai people...yup, ancestors of Thai and Lao. It's believed that a group of people related to Tai people migrated north to the Yangtze river following the coast of China. The chinese called them the "Baiyue" or "hundred yue": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiyue (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiyue) . It's also believed that Hmong people migrated to this area too, before the Chinese came. This is the likely place where your "Polynesian" ancestry came from (the area all around modern Shanghai). It's believed that groups from the "Baiyue" people migrated to Taiwan and formed the "Austronesian" language and people.
Thanks for your insight. How do you know for a fact that there is not a pure race? I guess, ancestry.com is wrong then? That would not make sense. Based on what they say, it makes sense. East Asians and Polynesians prefer not to mix. And, maybe way back they did mix but because they've stayed within their race for so long, their "mix" gene percentage are so small that it doesn't show up at all on the DNA tests. So, having said that, if I have Polynesians in my DNA, it could either mean that Hmong and Polynesians were once one race or that they didn't break down that gene far enough to see the variations between the two.
I never said that I have Polynesian genes from today. ::)
You stated in bold, "It's believed..." yeah, I know, me too. It's all science and science can change. I'm taking this all with a grain of salt.
Don't make this topic a debate about where Hmong come from. Keep it at the DNA level. I've done enough research about Hmong people and it hasn't really taught me much except that I'm Hmong and that I want to know the DNA of a Hmong person, 'cause I'd like to know what other ethnicity I have in me or if Hmong is its own ethnicity (hoping to figure this out).
It might be hard for some to understand unless you've been in my shoes but I had someone asked me if I was Hawaiian and someone else asked if I was Native American. I have round eyes (or less thin and slanted eyes) and olive skin. I look less Chinese, Laos, and Thai than I do Polynesian. I've always wondered why they would even assume I wasn't just East Asian. Even my own daughters tell me I don't look Asian and that I do look Hawaiian or Native American and I've never told them about the people who thought I was those ethnicity. My DNA report has answered an interesting question but again, I'm not done searching.
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A couple helpful links if anyone wants to read on about DNA testing:
DNA Fact or Sicence Ficiton? (http://www.familytreemagazine.com/article/dna-fact-or-science-fiction)
Genealogy and Ethnicity DNA Testing – 3 Legitimate Companies (https://dna-explained.com/2016/01/22/genealogy-and-ethnicity-dna-testing-3-legitimate-companies/)
And, if you're curious about how Ancestry.com breaks down the science behind DNA:
http://youtu.be/o0mVUu2kRcs (http://youtu.be/o0mVUu2kRcs)
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Btw, my husband also ran his DNA. He thought he'd be mostly Dutch with variations in Sweden, Norwegian, France. Turns out, he's 10% British, 5% Irish, 3% Portuguese, 3% Scandinavian, and a very tiny percentage of Middle Eastern. His dad won't take the test because he feels they aren't true and he believes that he is 100% Dutch.
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Also, did you know that adopted children use DNA to find their biological parents? I'm not sure how many companies do this for adopted children but I've watched a few on YT. It would have to be mostly accurate for these adopted children if they want to find their parents.
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How much did the DNA testing cost you?
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How much did the DNA testing cost you?
I bought the kit during the Black Friday special for $70. Normally, it's $100.
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I bought the kit during the Black Friday special for $70. Normally, it's $100.
Oh, it was a home DNA kit?
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Thanks for your insight. How do you know for a fact that there is not a pure race? I guess, ancestry.com is wrong then? That would not make sense. Based on what they say, it makes sense. East Asians and Polynesians prefer not to mix. And, maybe way back they did mix but because they've stayed within their race for so long, their "mix" gene percentage are so small that it doesn't show up at all on the DNA tests.
Where do you get this idea of a "pure" race from? With maybe the exception of the Adaman islanders (who may not have mixed with any surrounding peoples, still probably have dna from Neanderthals or Denisovans), everyone else is mixed. Here's how "pure" East Asians are: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982209020673 (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982209020673)
Women:
(http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0960982209020673-gr1.jpg)
Men:
(http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0960982209020673-gr2.jpg)
The different colors are DNA Haplogroups ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup) ), mtDNA for the women and yDNA for the men. Unless you see a group of people with one single color, it means they have multiple ancestries. Here's one for Hmong and Mien women, but it's not so nice and visual: http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/22/3/725.full (http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/22/3/725.full)
Haplogroups to the right, 1-17 for each group of Hmong or Mien.
(http://i.imgur.com/3XK92Vi.png)
So, having said that, if I have Polynesians in my DNA, it could either mean that Hmong and Polynesians were once one race or that they didn't break down that gene far enough to see the variations between the two.
No, that's not what it means at all. You have like the most basic understanding of genetics (honestly, basic might be even too much of a stretch). I suggest you refrain from coming to wild conclusions.
Don't make this topic a debate about where Hmong come from. Keep it at the DNA level. I've done enough research about Hmong people and it hasn't really taught me much except that I'm Hmong and that I want to know the DNA of a Hmong person, 'cause I'd like to know what other ethnicity I have in me or if Hmong is its own ethnicity (hoping to figure this out).
Well, you didn't research in the right direction. Yes, there is not a lot of info, but there's enough; enought for me to tell you where hmong people come from...I can even tell you how they got there, from where and from who. That information is just as available to me as it is to you.
It might be hard for some to understand unless you've been in my shoes but I had someone asked me if I was Hawaiian and someone else asked if I was Native American. I have round eyes (or less thin and slanted eyes) and olive skin. I look less Chinese, Laos, and Thai than I do Polynesian. I've always wondered why they would even assume I wasn't just East Asian. Even my own daughters tell me I don't look Asian and that I do look Hawaiian or Native American and I've never told them about the people who thought I was those ethnicity. My DNA report has answered an interesting question but again, I'm not done searching.
You're making another wrong assumption: genes do not completely correlate with phenotype (phenotype means physical appearance). Go back to the chart above for the Men in east asia. Tibetans ("Tib" in the chart) have nearly 90% yDNA D (the yellow color). Know who else has 90% or more yDNA D? Adaman islanders. According to your logic, they should look the same. You tell me, do they look the same?
Tibetan:
(http://i2.wp.com/insiderlouisville.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/His-Holiness-the-Dalai-Lama.png?resize=257%2C294)
Adaman Islander:
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/IHtNkrgihIhLUbDR4hfekA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NjMw/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/news/2014-02-17/513bfc10-978f-11e3-8d05-83b9d16f4ef7_Inside-the-Jarawa-reserve-Courtesy-Madhusree-Mukerjee.jpeg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andamanese_peoples (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andamanese_peoples) : "yDNA - The male Y-chromosome in humans is inherited exclusively through paternal descent. Male Onges and Jarawas almost exclusively belong to Haplogroup D-M174.[37] The clade is most common today in Tibet and Japan,..."
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Oh, it was a home DNA kit?
Yes, it's a home kit that they send you. You're required to register your kit#, provide a sample (your saliva) using the items in the kit, and send the kit back to the company. They will send you your results within 6-8 weeks with a breakdown and a scientific history of your ethnicity.
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Yes, it's a home kit that they send you. You're required to register your kit#, provide a sample (your saliva) using the items in the kit, and send the kit back to the company. They will send you your results within 6-8 weeks with a breakdown and a scientific history of your ethnicity.
How interesting indeed! I will have to look into it more.
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I am Laotian, adopted at a very young age. I just wonder what my real parents look like that's all. 😢
If you know for a fact that you are 100% pure Laotian, there's no reason to do the DNA for that reason. There are other reasons people do DNA testing. At 23andme, I read that you could figure out if you have cancer, heart disease, blindness, other illness, etc. but it cost a bit more. I have not done 23andme but I plan to and I'll only be doing the basic because I don't really care to know what illnesses I'll come upon. It would be too depressing to know in advance.
I guess for you, you might want to ask your parents where you were adopted from and backtrack from there. It would be interesting to learn what you find.
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I actually have no idea what your point is. What are you trying to prove?
All I am saying is that I did my DNA test and I am not 100% East Asian as I had expected. And, the 11% Polynesia was a surprise. If I am 11% Polynesian, it means I am only 50% or less of what my parents are. So, say my father is 100% East Asian, it would mean that my mom is at least 22% Polynesian or more. I think both my parents have Polynesian in them because I don't believe my mom is 22%+. Now, when I say Polynesian, I'm not talking about the Polynesians now. I am talking about the "grouped" name that Ancestry.com uses. I'm curious as to why I have "Polynesian" in me. And, I'm not the only one. I have at least 3 pages of DNA matches that are mostly (if not all) Hmong people. These matches are based on the formula Ancestry uses and the matches are like 3-4th cousin all the way down to like 10th cousin or something. It's intriguing because I don't even know who those Hmong people are and they are supposed to be my 3rd cousin?
Again, I don't understand your point but I do know that you are trying to throw these large groups of studies in here and I'm not sure how it's helping because I'm basically and simply stating what my DNA showed and the report that came with it to explain the two ethnicity. Also, as I've said before, I'm not done. I want to know further about my DNA, not about the breakdown of the big ethnicity around Asia. I'm less interested in knowing where all the ethnicity are in Asia and more interested in just learning about who I am. I hope you understand.
Also, my data came from my Ancestry.com with my DNA results, and that's what I'm going by. I don't know enough about DNA testing to make up stuff.
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How interesting indeed! I will have to look into it more.
That's great! Good luck! O0 :)
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I actually have no idea what your point is. What are you trying to prove?
All I am saying is that I did my DNA test and I am not 100% East Asian as I had expected. And, the 11% Polynesia was a surprise. If I am 11% Polynesian, it means I am only 50% or less of what my parents are. So, say my father is 100% East Asian, it would mean that my mom is at least 22% Polynesian or more. I think both my parents have Polynesian in them because I don't believe my mom is 22%+. Now, when I say Polynesian, I'm not talking about the Polynesians now. I am talking about the "grouped" name that Ancestry.com uses. I'm curious as to why I have "Polynesian" in me. And, I'm not the only one. I have at least 3 pages of DNA matches that are mostly (if not all) Hmong people. These matches are based on the formula Ancestry uses and the matches are like 3-4th cousin all the way down to like 10th cousin or something. It's intriguing because I don't even know who those Hmong people are and they are supposed to be my 3rd cousin?
Again, I don't understand your point but I do know that you are trying to throw these large groups of studies in here and I'm not sure how it's helping because I'm basically and simply stating what my DNA showed and the report that came with it to explain the two ethnicity. Also, as I've said before, I'm not done. I want to know further about my DNA, not about the breakdown of the big ethnicity around Asia. I'm less interested in knowing where all the ethnicity are in Asia and more interested in just learning about who I am. I hope you understand.
Also, my data came from my Ancestry.com with my DNA results, and that's what I'm going by. I don't know enough about DNA testing to make up stuff.
My point is to dissuade you from making ridiculous claims about ALL hmong people based on ONE, your own, genetic data. This is the same kind of ignorant dribble that created, "hur dur we was Mongols," or "hur dur we was Lost Tribe of Jews."
So, having said that, if I have Polynesians in my DNA, it could either mean that Hmong and Polynesians were once one race...
...it could mean that my ancestors were in a war, and one race lost to the other. Could this mean the Han Dynasty??
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My point is to dissuade you from making ridiculous claims about ALL hmong people based on ONE, your own, genetic data. This is the same kind of ignorant dribble that created, "hur dur we was Mongols," or "hur dur we was Lost Tribe of Jews."
You're taking this so far out of context. I have never claimed anything. As I've said, I'm taking this knowledge (from my DNA report) with a grain of salt. How funny that you choose to point things that I never claimed to be true or even near the truth and twist it in your own way to think I've made claim.
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No. It wasn't war.
I'm 89% East Asian and 11% Polynesian.
Current facts from my data report:
1. Polynesians and East Asians do not like to mix race. Data shows that the majority of Polynesians and East Asians are a 100% pure race.
2. Most all Polynesians traveled to the islands via Taiwan way back in history.
3. Hawaii is a Polynesian island (and so is New Zealand).
My question is, if both races are a pure race and I am mixed, it could mean that my ancestors were in a war, and one race lost to the other. Could this mean the Han Dynasty?? or one of the other Dynasties where Hmongs were being slaughtered or assimilated and thus some escaped because they didn't want to assimilate?
What I found interesting was that most all my matches were Hmong people of varying last names. Which means that possibly, Hmong and Polynesians were one race at some point before China slaughtered or assimilated them. They escaped to other countries, including what we know now as the Polynesian Islands.
This also means there is a possibility that if Polynesians and Hmong were one race at some point, and Hawaii is part of Polynesia, that what we call Hmong people now have been part of the United States since its inception.
I am not done with my research. I'm going to do a few other DNA tests with other companies.
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Thanks for your insight, R. I guess for those who don't believe that there are pure races, do your own DNA testing. It's very interesting. I have always been a believer of no pure race too and was surprised to find they do exist and I understand how that could be.
I'm still very intrigued by my 11% Polynesian. It's frustrating yet exciting to see this in my DNA. It was the same for my husband too when he found he was 10% British. As you can see, my FIL is not fond of the Brits so learning this, he became very defensive. The funny thing is, if he does not have any Brit in him, then my husband's mother could be at least 20% British. Or, she could be 50% British since offsprings can only be less than 50% of whatever their parents are.
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A pure race, you mean the human race? :P Anyways can you msg me about the cost and process or can I msg you with questions? I've actually been wanting to get this done too. If we truly are the progeny of wandering nomads and survivors who lost their homeland I'd like to know the composition and similarities of my DNA compared to others.
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I am interested in what your results are at Wegene. It's a Chinese DNA website/testing that breaks down Chinese (nationality) groups into much more details than the western based DNA services. You can upload your results to their website and get another interpretation/breakdown.
I ran my DNA test through 23andMe. And gives me a result of 90% East Asian and 10% Southeast Asian. But I also was able to find another Hmong person with about the same result as that through 23andMe as well.
Still an amateur at this, but perhaps that's how the "Hmong DNA" is interpreted by the DNA testing. Beginning to think that if your DNA comes out like that, it just means you're Hmong and not really mix with some other ethnicity. But then again the Hmong people seem to mix in with their surrounding neighbors that they live with too.
Gedmatch is another free service you can use your DNA data to play with, although it is a bit more confusing to use. And DNAland, but I found it gave too vague results. What is your mtDNA?
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A pure race, you mean the human race? :P Anyways can you msg me about the cost and process or can I msg you with questions? I've actually been wanting to get this done too. If we truly are the progeny of wandering nomads and survivors who lost their homeland I'd like to know the composition and similarities of my DNA compared to others.
It's no secret. The 8th response down on the first page of this topic, I posted a link to the 3 legitimate DNA testers. Yes, if you have questions you prefer not to mention here you can msg me.
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I am interested in what your results are at Wegene. It's a Chinese DNA website/testing that breaks down Chinese (nationality) groups into much more details than the western based DNA services. You can upload your results to their website and get another interpretation/breakdown.
I ran my DNA test through 23andMe. And gives me a result of 90% East Asian and 10% Southeast Asian. But I also was able to find another Hmong person with about the same result as that through 23andMe as well.
Still an amateur at this, but perhaps that's how the "Hmong DNA" is interpreted by the DNA testing. Beginning to think that if your DNA comes out like that, it just means you're Hmong and not really mix with some other ethnicity. But then again the Hmong people seem to mix in with their surrounding neighbors that they live with too.
Gedmatch is another free service you can use your DNA data to play with, although it is a bit more confusing to use. And DNAland, but I found it gave too vague results. What is your mtDNA?
I did research sites like Gedmatch to upload DNA data but right now I'm not sure I am ready for that yet. I didn't know about the Chinese site so I'll have to look further into that one when I'm ready to do the DNA data stuff.
How interesting that yours came up with East Asian and Southeast Asian. I'm planning on doing 23andMe next but I'm waiting until I have spending money for fun things like this. I'd actually prefer a discount or a special sale but I don't know if 23andMe does that like Ancestry.com does.
Ancestry didn't breakdown my mtDNA. They discontinued that in 2014.
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I did research sites like Gedmatch to upload DNA data but right now I'm not sure I am ready for that yet. I didn't know about the Chinese site so I'll have to look further into that one when I'm ready to do the DNA data stuff.
How interesting that yours came up with East Asian and Southeast Asian. I'm planning on doing 23andMe next but I'm waiting until I have spending money for fun things like this. I'd actually prefer a discount or a special sale but I don't know if 23andMe does that like Ancestry.com does.
Ancestry didn't breakdown my mtDNA. They discontinued that in 2014.
To be honest. One of the reasons I took a DNA test was I heard "oral history" about my ancestry. And that was that one of my grandparent (not sure how many generations) was not Hmong, but was of a Southeast Asian (which we are depending on whom you are speaking with) ethnicity.
23andMe just recently release a new compilation of how recent your ancestor's were. For me, it shown that the Southeast Asian portion was within the time gaps of my Great Grandparent-3rd Great Grandparent, which would prove that the oral history of my ancestor was indeed correct. But as with everything, take it with some skepticism and doubt, it's the only true way to find your real true answer. For me, it's almost a confirmation of what I've heard, but at the same time, I'll keep researching.
Which is why, I wouldn't give up hope searching, but would be okay if the results turned out to be boring or not what you expected.
BTW, for 23andMe, just get their $99 ancestry kit, their health options for another $100 is not worth it.
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Find our blood line and this may lead to Chiyou. We fought against the Chinese with hatchet weapons during Chiyou's time. We throw axes and I think Hmong people should go back to re-learn their original culture. I saw pictures of Chiyou and their ancient text about them using hatchets...
In the bold, just to clarify, I am not trying to find OUR blood line or the history of OUR (the Hmong) culture. The point of me doing my own DNA testing is to find out who I am, NOT WHAT HMONG IS. It's an individual and personal choice for personal reasons, so if you want to know who you are, then I recommend doing your own DNA testing. Don't group every Hmong into what I find out about who I am. It's going to be different for everyone.
As for the history of the Hmong people, Hmong peeps should learn their history but history doesn't define a person. It's just history. We live in a modern society and modern world now and we should progress with it. We are a different Hmong so lets not use the past to keep us from moving forward.
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To be honest. One of the reasons I took a DNA test was I heard "oral history" about my ancestry. And that was that one of my grandparent (not sure how many generations) was not Hmong, but was of a Southeast Asian (which we are depending on whom you are speaking with) ethnicity.
23andMe just recently release a new compilation of how recent your ancestor's were. For me, it shown that the Southeast Asian portion was within the time gaps of my Great Grandparent-3rd Great Grandparent, which would prove that the oral history of my ancestor was indeed correct. But as with everything, take it with some skepticism and doubt, it's the only true way to find your real true answer. For me, it's almost a confirmation of what I've heard, but at the same time, I'll keep researching.
Which is why, I wouldn't give up hope searching, but would be okay if the results turned out to be boring or not what you expected.
BTW, for 23andMe, just get their $99 ancestry kit, their health options for another $100 is not worth it.
Yes, we do DNA testing for different reasons. I did mine because everyone I came across kept saying "You look Hawaiian," or "You look Native American." And, then of course, my daughter told me I didn't look oriental, but more Hawaiian/Polynesian. And, I also wanted my husband to do his DNA testing because his father was adamant that they were 100% Dutch, or if not, at least 90% Dutch. Turns out husband is 74% Dutch or Dutch/German. We'll have to dig further to find out exactly the percentage of each since Ancestry just shows the region.
I know about the extra charge for the health option. I mentioned it earlier in my post. I believe I said I didn't need to know about my health 'cause it would be scary. $99 is still quite a lot for me.
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Interesting topic!
Ill comment later and use logic!
Anyways...
Yoy know what woyld be funnie? If you send saliva of a monkey!
But since they arent readily available...se nd saliva of a dog! Imagine the look on thier techs faces when they see the results!! Halarious!
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Ok, so let's roll back the time to hundreds of thousands of years ago...
We all like to think that man evolved and from one single couple...
Because how else could we all be here right?
But wait a minute!!! Lets think about it for a second, maybe we all didn't evolve from the same couple hundreds of years ago...
Could it be feasible that these "pure" race co-evolved roughly at the same time?
But you know, it all depends on what you want to believe, if you believe in the Pangea thing then well I guess we could see that we all evolved from the same couple but if if you don't believe in that, then we can say we all co-evolved at the same time.
For example, we got worms here in America, and worms in asia... They are both worms but if the continent were never attached to each other, then they given the same circumstance could've evolved at the same time.
So(non-pangean theory), is it possible that these pure races co-evolved at the same time? YEs we're all human's but we're all different?
MoonAngel says she only has East Asian and Polynesian markers in her. So yeah, I guess you can say there are "pure" races out there, she doesn't have any Caucasian markers on her or African markers on her.
So yeah, there's "pure" races out there.
So that means, if we were to test someone who was of pure Asian, you're not going to see European or African markers, etc etc and so forth.
Now! I think what we really want to ask is, is there "pure" ethnicities out there? Sure there are!
And how do we go about proving that or rationalizing that? And is hmong a pure ethnicity?
Well, moonangel was wondering how she got some Polynesian in her...
The explanation is really easy.
But first! Let's talk about "pure ethnicities"...
Allright...
We have three, European, Asian, and African.
Lets just focus on Asian.
So as the population grows and families forms, what happens? Some people will stay together, and some will move and settle to different regions.
As small populations of the same Pure race moves away they become their own little pocket of genes right? They're not going to end up mixing their genes with their original populations anymore because they are not isolated from them. They end up mixing their own genes with their own population in isolation.
That is how we get our ethnicities!
Look, just physically looking at our offsprings we can tell that we look like parents right? So from biology we know that we'll carry those traits and pass it down to our kids, and so forth... So basically if an isolated population only mix genes with it's genes, the result will be a bunch of people that looks the same or share a lot of the same traits and features.... Since that isolated population is not from the original population, they are not going to share much anymore of the orginal's defining features anymore...
Basically, the isolated population is filtering out the original populations traits due to the fact that they are just mixing with their own isolated genes. For example, it's like when people do selective breeding with animals.
Except with us humans, it's not selective breeding, it's more like isolation breeding due to well, that's what is around them.
So after hundreds of thousands of years, that's why we have all these different ethnicities under these 3 races.
So yes, we hmongs might actually be a pure ethnicity that is pure East Asian.
See how that works? I'll draw a picture later. It'll explain it better.
Allright, so moonangel is wondering how she got Polynesian in her. Well the obvious way would be someone from Polynesia gave their genes to someone in her ancestry. HOw? We don't know.
Or!
If we go back to our isolation theory....
It could just be that those markers that are part of Polynesians are really just markers that wasn't bred out. What does this mean? I'll try to explain(the picture will be better I promise!)
So remember we have the Asian race right?
And I see she put a map of genes from here and there... but what is that map really? It's really just a population map of markers found in an area that correspond to the ethnicity there.
For example, if we were to take samples from china... what kind of markers would we mainly see? Chinese right? If we take samples from Thailand, what markers would we see? Thailand right?
If we take markers from Polynesian, what would we see? Mainly Polynesians right?
What does this mean? It just means in that area, there are populations sharing a majority of the same markers. We have to keep that in consideration.
So now that that is backstoried and explained...
So the "Asians" in Polynesian are just a population of Asians that moved and isolated themselves and started breeding with themselves. They pretty much bred in defining features and pretty much genes of what makes them up physically today.
So those Polynesian markers you have in you, it could possibly be markers that when the "Polynesian" Asians moved down there, when they started breeding within their own isolated population, ended up coming out more and appearing more in their genes.
Got it?
Simple right?
I know, the picture will help! I'll be back!
Oh! Also, when you're talking about first and 2nd and 3rd cousins... I can logically explain that too.
Yes you don't know them but think about it.!
If you have this one "pure" ethnic gene pool... (keep in account in the past, Hmong's stuck with hmongs for a good 99 percent of the time, it is just recently that our hmong gene pool is more diversed), all those genes are pretty much coming from the same "parent" genes right? So of course all our genes are going to be similar. And thus, why they would be your second or third cousin that you never knew.
I'll draw a picture of that as well.
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Man! I really love excercising my mind! But I hate studying!
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Got it?
And like you was wondering about your 1,2,3 cousin... well think about it now... if you're in an isolated population(we already established that in the past hmongs pretty much marry hmongs until recently, and even now it's still a lot of hmongs marrying hmongs<---this is how we get our 'isolated population') who's genes are just going to be in that gene pool? The same genes that already is in the gene pool! That's why you have all these 1,2,3rd cousins you don't know.
Think about it moonie, new genes can't be created unless it's a mutation or from an outside source gene pool. All the combination you're going to get are just combinations from your "Isolated gene pool"... remember from biology class? This brings up another interesting point! Just hit me in the head!
I guess this can go on to explain why in the world there are "twins"... not birth twins but people who for some odd reason end up looking exactly like one another, it could just be that they happen to have roughly ended up having the same gene combination!
And I know! I know what you're thinking! This isolation thing I'm talking about is weird! and whack! But you know what? I think it's true!
You know... so our clan's are isolated mini populations as well.
You know... I was watching a movie.. and I saw a hmong actor... and I knew right away he was a Hang because all the Hangs I knew, they had a certain feature to their face. I won't say it because folks will think I'm hating...
But yeah..
Think about it! It all makes sense!
Just take a good look at yourself... and a picture of your mom when she was your age, you'll see she actually look exactly like you.
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Tibetans ("Tib" in the chart) have nearly 90% yDNA D (the yellow color). Know who else has 90% or more yDNA D? Adaman islanders. According to your logic, they should look the same. You tell me, do they look the same?
Tibetan:
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Adaman Islander:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andamanese_peoples (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andamanese_peoples) : "yDNA - The male Y-chromosome in humans is inherited exclusively through paternal descent. Male Onges and Jarawas almost exclusively belong to Haplogroup D-M174.[37] The clade is most common today in Tibet and Japan,..."
Dude, c'mon man.. you're not going to play that dumb are you to just try to win an argument?
Obvioulsy there's factors...
Diet, nutrion, location in the world!
Hmongs from Wis don't look like Hmong's from NC.
They are lighter skin, and NC hmongs are darker skin... why? Duh the sun!
Obviously those island folks will be darker....
Cheezez folks!
Yalls not going to get anywhere of have any sort of intelligent dialogue if you just want to spout things like that!
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So in any case!
Moonangel, your Polynesian genes may just be the same genes that was from the parent gene pool as the Polynesians.
It's just that in their isolated populations those genes really came out and in our "hmong isolated population" it didn't. But yet it's there! So in our isolated hmong gene pool those Polynesian genes just didn't come out more.
I bet there's Polynesians out there that have hmong genes too because well, all our genes are just combinations from the parent gene pool.
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Hmongs from Wis don't look like Hmong's from NC.
They are lighter skin, and NC hmongs are darker skin... why? Duh the sun!
Actual skin color is a result of hundreds of thousands of years of evolution. Some Hmong are slightly darker than others, just like some whites are whiter than others. What you're talking about Hmong Wisconsin person looking different from North Carolina Hmong is a combination of tanning and fashion, such as regional differences in how someone styles their hair, eyebrows, and clothing. Tanning is just the body's process of protecting against UV rays - tanned skin always returns to normal color after being out of the sun for a period of time. Skin color doesn't change because a lighter skinned person hangs out in the summer sun their whole lives and then have babies. Case in point: African-Americans that were brought over as slaves hundreds of years ago to North America are still dark like their ancestors in Africa. Most African-Americans actually don't spend more time out in the sun more than other non-black American people. But they still retain their black skin because the body isn't going to change the color just because of a few hundred years of environmental change.
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Interesting.
:knuppel2: God if I read one more thing about Chi You or Chiyu or Chi Yu. TAL Or Kevin or whatever your name is; stop with that garbage.
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I understand your reason for looking into your DNA. I hope Xai Her doesn't mind if I put up his research documents.
https://www.gofundme.com/herxai (https://www.gofundme.com/herxai)
They are based on 23andMe results and are a few years old (newer updates could change the values a little). But throughout the 3-4 different individuals, they show a common 85%-90% Chinese (East Asian) and 10-15% Southeast Asian categorization .
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moonangel's comments made me have brain cancer ;D ;D
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I will not do a dna test. Unless I know for sure they break down the east/south-east asian dna specifically. Until then I am 100% Hmong based on my parent.