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Title: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: Hung_Low on September 24, 2016, 07:48:11 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/assault-trial-alleged-victim-faces-her-own-lawsuit-175154152.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/assault-trial-alleged-victim-faces-her-own-lawsuit-175154152.html)

Did he do it or a drunk party that ended in regrets?
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: Reporter on September 24, 2016, 10:41:17 PM
Only boards don't hit back.
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: Reporter on September 25, 2016, 10:37:35 AM
Perhaps the court papers will convince you?

Lol

What a mess of an article. But I shouldn't be surprised. It's a yahoo article. Often are a mess or just click sit.

But anyway. Whatever. He pleaded no contest and there was evidence that contradicted his everchanging story.
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: theking on September 26, 2016, 01:05:01 AM
Not sure how far Her can get with his lawsuit as he tried to swept the deed under the rug by asking the girl he raped her hand in marriage shortly after the incident.. ???
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: Reporter on September 26, 2016, 09:12:49 AM
I think it's a feud now.

Not sure how far Her can get with his lawsuit as he tried to swept the deed under the rug by asking the girl he raped her hand in marriage shortly after the incident.. ???
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: lexicon on September 26, 2016, 03:32:17 PM
nothing wrong with hmong people, since losing respect for our culture and how we resolve issues.  it isn't the best but at least there's peace in the making and somewhat an agreeable resolution without the high cost of life and monetary...we've come to do it the american way

this could be karma in the making...ms. xiong should take a plea deal and pay only a million  :P >:D.  a lesson to be learn that when someone is nice to you, take it as it is.  when you got an ill will/vendetta (khwv tswv yim phem) for personal reasons and when already, in the eye of the court and people sees it differently... the consequences could be costly, when they strike back.  civil court is much easier to win, most of what he has prove is that defamation did occur (facebook does have it's usefulness :D ;D) and not necessary the intent.   

i would gladly go to jail for $4million for a year and be a limited life time registered offender, just make sure I get my money!  >:D :police: :2funny:

case in note: this is just as ridiculous as being sued by family members of a thug who was shot in an attempted home robbery.

 :icon_puke_r:

Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: Blongforever on September 27, 2016, 09:04:47 AM
Nothing's wrong with Hmong people.  Just a couple of horny college age people that wanted to bang each other.
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: Xeemxai on September 27, 2016, 12:21:02 PM
It's 21 century, isn't? Somes are still khwv tiaj khwv tuag tsi txaus tus brother noj ib pluag. 

Tej yam zoo li no, zam tsi tau li lov?

Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: nightrider on September 27, 2016, 08:13:27 PM
Hate to say it but she is in the wrong in the first place. You just don't drink till you drop with a bunch of guys. Women need to stop playing the victim card and more importantly stop putting themselves in situations where they can be screwed. Otherwise, they can only expect counter lawsuits. This is why young women needs to heed and listen to their parents' words of wisdom. Obviously, she 18 and can do whatever she feels like it kind of attitude. You only reap what you sowed...
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: theking on September 27, 2016, 08:43:08 PM
Hate to say it but she is in the wrong in the first place. You just don't drink till you drop with a bunch of guys. Women need to stop playing the victim card and more importantly stop putting themselves in situations where they can be screwed. Otherwise, they can only expect counter lawsuits. This is why young women needs to heed and listen to their parents' words of wisdom. Obviously, she 18 and can do whatever she feels like it kind of attitude. You only reap what you sowed...

She can't control others' actions. That point would apply if her intention is to go out to have fun, drink til she passed out and encouraged others to rape her when she's passed out before hand...

That's like saying a driver was out driving to work/school/home minding his/her business and gets hit by a drunk driver but gets blame just because he/she just happens to be there...Theref ore if he/she didn't put him/herself in that situation where he/she could get hurt, it would not have happened so it's his/her fault for getting hit by a drunk driver.

Bottom line is, doesn't matter what you do, you can't control others' actions...Ther e are also cases of women that got raped inside of their own homes..
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: HUNG TU LO on September 27, 2016, 09:08:39 PM
She can't control others' actions.

You're right. You can't control other people's action. I understand what you are saying - that doesn't invite anyone to invade her sexually especially when under the influence of a substance. But isn't that why we lock our car doors, our house doors, and most of us make the decision not to go for walks at 3:00am alone? Just because you don't want to be raped while drunk, doesn't mean there aren't monsters out there waiting to take advantage of an intoxicated person. Just because I don't want someone to rob me, doesn't make me immune to robbery. This isn't victim blaming. This is pointing out the fact that when you go to a college drinking party, just because in your mind you're just there to have fun and have a few drinks, doesn't mean you won't end up with your panties missing.

This isn't the same as walking down the street and getting struck by a drunk driver. If that had happened, the intoxicated driver was there IN SPITE of his drinking and driving, not BECAUSE OF IT. But when you're a young woman and you go to a college drinking party, people aren't there to talk about how to play a better midlane in League of Legends or easy steps towards becoming vegan. You KNOW why people are there. Not to say all men at parties are going to rape at first opportunity. Throw in alcohol, impaired judgement, peer pressure, testosterone, voila! It's the perfect equation for something like this to happen.
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: nightrider on September 27, 2016, 09:09:15 PM
She can't control others' actions. That point would apply if her intention is to go out to have fun, drink til she passed out and encouraged others to rape her when she's passed out before hand...

That's like saying a driver was out driving to work/school/home minding his/her business and gets hit by a drunk driver but gets blame just because he/she just happens to be there...Theref ore if he/she didn't put him/herself in that situation where he/she could get hurt, it would not have happened so it's his/her fault for getting hit by a drunk driver.

Bottom line is, doesn't matter what you do, you can't control others' actions...Ther e are also cases of women that got raped inside of their own homes..

You're making a case with comparing apples to oranges, it's just not the same thing. She obviously knows him to want to even be there and have a good time.
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: HUNG TU LO on September 27, 2016, 09:14:01 PM
nvm
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: theking on September 27, 2016, 09:23:51 PM
You're making a case with comparing apples to oranges, it's just not the same thing. She obviously knows him to want to even be there and have a good time.

Nope, you can't control others' actions regardless of where you are or what you do...To blame a woman and say that she puts herself in a situation where she can get hurt is like blaming others that have gotten hurt due to others' actions.

Do you blame the women that got raped at their own homes too?
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: theking on September 27, 2016, 09:30:40 PM
You're right. You can't control other people's action. I understand what you are saying - that doesn't invite anyone to invade her sexually especially when under the influence of a substance. But isn't that why we lock our car doors, our house doors, and most of us make the decision not to go for walks at 3:00am alone? Just because you don't want to be raped while drunk, doesn't mean there aren't monsters out there waiting to take advantage of an intoxicated person. Just because I don't want someone to rob me, doesn't make me immune to robbery. This isn't victim blaming. This is pointing out the fact that when you go to a college drinking party, just because in your mind you're just there to have fun and have a few drinks, doesn't mean you won't end up with your panties missing.

This isn't the same as walking down the street and getting struck by a drunk driver. If that had happened, the intoxicated driver was there IN SPITE of his drinking and driving, not BECAUSE OF IT. But when you're a young woman and you go to a college drinking party, people aren't there to talk about how to play a better midlane in League of Legends or easy steps towards becoming vegan. You KNOW why people are there. Not to say all men at parties are going to rape at first opportunity. Throw in alcohol, impaired judgement, peer pressure, testosterone, voila! It's the perfect equation for something like this to happen.

I am "right" because you can't control others' actions....Aga in, there are cases of women that have been raped in their own homes as well. Murders and robberies still happen at the nicest of neighborhoods or even to people that have taken the necessary precaution steps to protect themselves i.e., lock their doors, etc., because you still cannot control the actions of "monsters"...

She was there to spend time with friends and have fun, not to get raped just like a driver driving to work is not doing it to get hit by a drunk driver...
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: YAX on September 27, 2016, 09:33:03 PM
You're right. You can't control other people's action. I understand what you are saying - that doesn't invite anyone to invade her sexually especially when under the influence of a substance. But isn't that why we lock our car doors, our house doors, and most of us make the decision not to go for walks at 3:00am alone? Just because you don't want to be raped while drunk, doesn't mean there aren't monsters out there waiting to take advantage of an intoxicated person. Just because I don't want someone to rob me, doesn't make me immune to robbery. This isn't victim blaming. This is pointing out the fact that when you go to a college drinking party, just because in your mind you're just there to have fun and have a few drinks, doesn't mean you won't end up with your panties missing.

This isn't the same as walking down the street and getting struck by a drunk driver. If that had happened, the intoxicated driver was there IN SPITE of his drinking and driving, not BECAUSE OF IT. But when you're a young woman and you go to a college drinking party, people aren't there to talk about how to play a better midlane in League of Legends or easy steps towards becoming vegan. You KNOW why people are there. Not to say all men at parties are going to rape at first opportunity. Throw in alcohol, impaired judgement, peer pressure, testosterone, voila! It's the perfect equation for something like this to happen.
we're not supposed to jusy accept that we need to lock our doors and be afraid to go out at night.  We're supposed to be working towards a better world where we don't have to lock our doors and we can go out at 3am without fear of predators.
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: HUNG TU LO on September 28, 2016, 02:29:06 PM
we're not supposed to jusy accept that we need to lock our doors and be afraid to go out at night.  We're supposed to be working towards a better world where we don't have to lock our doors and we can go out at 3am without fear of predators.

Who doesn't want a perfect world? I do! I wish I wouldn't have to lock my doors. As a hardcore cat fisherman, I wish I could go all-night fishing along the Minneapolis downtown/U of M Mississippi shorelines with accessible parking and concrete walkways. But we don't live in that world. We live in our world.

Quote from: HUNG TU LO
Just because I don't want someone to rob me, doesn't make me immune to robbery.

I think 99.9% of the human population wants a perfect crime-less world. But avoiding the fact that we still have a looooong way to go and it ain't going to happen in our generation's lifetime would be a grave mistake to you, your family, and others around you.
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: theking on September 28, 2016, 02:39:44 PM
fault do lie on the person in control of their actions,  this case is comparable to a person petting a dog and got bit.  sure, she knows the dog, it may never bit her before but maybe this one time at band camp, she may have pat him a bit too hard, so he bit back.  she didn't scream nor take any recourse of action at that moment....days later after still feeling the pain, she then claims that the dog was vicious and it should be locked up or put to sleep.  ummm hellooo...who's the biatch now!

Not a very good analogy as a dog is not human...

Blaming the girl for getting rape just because she happens to be there is like blaming kids that have been abducted by other humans while walking home from school or hanging out in their neighborhood.

Now if her intention was to get raped then I can see blaming her...

I can't believe the raper would even considered marrying his victim in this case...remind me of the case where the dad drove his daughter to meet her raper so he can forced his daughter's raper to marry his daughter.. :o
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: theking on September 28, 2016, 03:40:41 PM
View points are different and it's alright but I personally just can't see blaming the girl in this case unless she gave the raper consent.

Remind me of Hmong girls that got raped during Hmong New Year celebrations. Guess those that blame those girls can say things like, 'if they didn't attend the Hmong New Year, they wouldn't get raped'... Or the girls that got raped at colleges are blamed just because they attended college.

Unless those girls asked for it, they can't control others' actions..
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: nightrider on September 28, 2016, 05:58:41 PM
Whether it's kids or driving at midnight and getting kill by a drunk driver or kids getting abducted for walking alone. They are all totally different from this rape subject. The kid walking alone may have influence motive for abduction but he/she doesn't know the perpetrator, just like the abduction scenario, the dead driver has no relations with the drunk driver and plus, there's no motive on the drunk driver side to kill, unlike this woman. This woman put herself in a position that influence motive, involves alcohol, she knew the rapist, was an adult and was supposed to be intelligent. Same goes for your new years analogy. Find me one article that proofs this happened before? Whatever happens after 6PM has nothing to do with new years but a night party branded as new years. And yes, they are to blame too if they're irresponsible for their own personal safety.

Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: theking on September 28, 2016, 07:49:57 PM
Whether it's kids or driving at midnight and getting kill by a drunk driver or kids getting abducted for walking alone. They are all totally different from this rape subject. The kid walking alone may have influence motive for abduction but he/she doesn't know the perpetrator, just like the abduction scenario, the dead driver has no relations with the drunk driver and plus, there's no motive on the drunk driver side to kill, unlike this woman. This woman put herself in a position that influence motive, involves alcohol, she knew the rapist, was an adult and was supposed to be intelligent. Same goes for your new years analogy. Find me one article that proofs this happened before? Whatever happens after 6PM has nothing to do with new years but a night party branded as new years. And yes, they are to blame too if they're irresponsible for their own personal safety.

Are you saying that if those kids know/have "relations" with their abductors then it's their fault for getting abducted as there are cases of that too?

Are you saying that if a driver that gets hit by another driver he/she knows/has "relations" with then it's his/her fault for getting hit by the other driver as there are cases of that too?


Well you hear it here women, if you want to hang out with your friends at a "night party" whether it be a house party or  a new year's party and get raped, you will get blame for it. So since the New Year celebrations are coming up, don't go and let those New Year's  "night party" be a sausage fest if you don't want to get blame because you are in total control of others' actions. In fact, don't even attend the day time New Year's festivities as there are also cases of women getting violated during those events. So yeah, you would get blame by some just because you happen to be here even if you didn't ask to get violated...

And oh, if you choose not to go out due to fear of getting blame for others' actions, you can throw a party at your own homes but if you still get raped, it's still your fault because you happen to be there and you are in control of others' actions...
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: thePoster on September 28, 2016, 10:04:14 PM
I want a perfect world too!

I too want to go fishing everyday.

I wish the temp was a cool 75.

And the sun not always out.  Partly cloudy is fine.  Maybe just a slight slight breeze like 1-2 mph.

And that theres always fishbait!   The big sized one. 

And that id never get my line stuck.

Man!  I could fish all day!

You know whatd be cool?  If they had a boat...you know how in new york they got those vendors on wheels on the corner...

Itd be cool if they had boat vendors....man!  Thatd be awesome...go fishing then ger hungry and drive the boat to a boat that sells food!

Have yalls seen those like...giant boathouses...d ang!  If i could have one of those and take it fishing in tampa!  Man o man!  Id just stay out in the lake for a week! 
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: theking on September 29, 2016, 09:10:48 AM
a rape victim would fight tooth and nail, scream and shout, and cry like the wolf.  it didn't happen, she let it continued, she didn't fight back or push him away, she didn't scream in the course of action, and she certainly did not report it right away.  He didn't pose no threat to her, unlike real rapers who would do harm to their victims if they made any sudden moves.  this girl was more concerned about her reputation, so much so that she would sell out her friend...and now, she knows what price to pay.

to be honest, most rapes can be prevented...we may not be able to control others but we can control ourselves.  the unfortunate thing is that most rapes are done by people they know, ones that they trust and they don't always know when it will happen.  what can you do in this instance?  minors, we can understand, they're powerless and perpetrators who commits such act on children should be punished by getting hanged by their D&balls until it separates from their body or pierce through the P on a stake. But if you're an adult and it happened, you should be held partially responsible.  1) for not speaking out, often times a verbal command or even "NO!" would deter a perp from proceeding with the act. 2) making themselves vulnerable to the people and/or environment.  putting themselves in a situation that has a higher percentage of getting raped (in the this case). 

we can argue all day with the blame and faults or whatnot but if you don't want to get rape, you do what you got to do not to get raped...unfort unately for me, if a woman can get me hard, I'm done for!  :D ;D

Guess you missed the part where she's passed out...because of that, your point is invalid. And no "most" rape cannot be prevented because we still cannot control the actions of others...

Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: TheDeviousOne on September 29, 2016, 11:36:29 AM
This whys Hmongs no havening a country.

Trouble excites me!

Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: theking on September 29, 2016, 12:26:01 PM
so who's fault is it for passing out?  she's knows she's in a hostile environment with a bunch of drunk horny men (who will likely make poor decisions).   

So do you support going around violating vulnerable people? I mean do you rob the elderly, do you beat up kids, etc., just because they are easy targets?

A person in a vulnerable state doesn't give you the right to violate him/her...especially without consent.

Let's say you were passed out or just aware, and someone took advantage of you, would you blame yourself?
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: thePoster on September 29, 2016, 01:34:19 PM
Heres my story...

I too couldve been a victim, although not as severe..

Im not saying whos right and whos wrong here or whos to blame in this young ladys incident.

But im going to tell my story how i couldve been a victim as well.

Anyways...frid ay night...me and my boys was like "yo lets hit up the club"...

I was like "cool, lets do it"..

So anyways...got to the club..drank a bit too much...

I kept telling myself i need to keep it together!  I cant pass out!  I better not pass out, if i do someone might steal my wallet.  I kinda already knew the risks if i passed out.  Anyways, i got escorted out of the club becuase theres "no sleeping in the club"...i kept putting my head down...

Then as i was escorted out and was outaide the club now, i sat on a bench, i kept telling myself i cannot pass out!  Someone might run my pockets if i do!

So yeah, i couldve been a victim, my wallet couldve or could not have gotten stolen but i knew the risk involved if i passed out. 

If i did pass out and got my wallet stolen, i woyldve been mad at myself for putting myself in that position in the first place.  I didnt have to go to the club.  And if i did, i didnt have to get almost passed out drunk.    Yes its a crime i got my wallet stolen too but i have to put some of the blame to myself too for putting myself in tjat situation.

The world isnt full of nice people and isnt full of people thats not out to get you. 

I always tell people who end up getting in trouble alot or in bad predicaments that theu should have never put themself in that kind of position in the first place.

Avoidance is key.

Oh i got a story!

House party, college party...anyway s..my friend was like "yo come through!"  Basically he didnt know anyone so he wantes someone to hang out with.  Anyways so im there...and this guy bumps me, and i bump into this girl, i had a cup of jungle juice in my hand and it spilt all over her shoes.  She was upset.  I left the party shortly after that, i didnt kniw if she had a bf or not but i wasnt going to get my butt kicked!
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: HUNG TU LO on September 29, 2016, 07:09:31 PM
So do you support going around violating vulnerable people? I mean do you rob the elderly, do you beat up kids, etc., just because they are easy targets?

A person in a vulnerable state doesn't give you the right to violate him/her...especially without consent.

Let's say you were passed out or just aware, and someone took advantage of you, would you blame yourself?

He wouldn't. But a criminal would. Having laws doesn't change deviant behavior. Morality doesn't change deviant behavior either. If it did, all modern societies would be crime-free. "Hey look! It's illegal. I guess I shouldn't rob people because it's not legal. And I guess I shouldn't rape that drunk girl passed out. She has her whole life ahead of her. I should be mindful of my actions." If only the world worked that way.
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: nightrider on September 29, 2016, 07:25:15 PM
Are you saying that if those kids know/have "relations" with their abductors then it's their fault for getting abducted as there are cases of that too?

Are you saying that if a driver that gets hit by another driver he/she knows/has "relations" with then it's his/her fault for getting hit by the other driver as there are cases of that too?


Well you hear it here women, if you want to hang out with your friends at a "night party" whether it be a house party or  a new year's party and get raped, you will get blame for it. So since the New Year celebrations are coming up, don't go and let those New Year's  "night party" be a sausage fest if you don't want to get blame because you are in total control of others' actions. In fact, don't even attend the day time New Year's festivities as there are also cases of women getting violated during those events. So yeah, you would get blame by some just because you happen to be here even if you didn't ask to get violated...

And oh, if you choose not to go out due to fear of getting blame for others' actions, you can throw a party at your own homes but if you still get raped, it's still your fault because you happen to be there and you are in control of others' actions...

You don't seem to be able to differentiate the different circumstances in any given scenarios. The abduction scenario? No, a kid still a kid, not a grown up, not educated, whether he knows the abductor or not is absolutely at no fault. As for the drunken driver scenario, the fact that both party knew each other, the victim is also not at fault, besides the drunk driver have no intent unlike the rapist, he does. You're mistaken my position, I'm in no ways saying that both the victims in your given scenario are at fault, responsible for their own well being. I merely high lighting your weak arguments in defending this "NO FAULT" woman. This woman is by no means an innocent angel, she has her faults.

And by the way, hmong people don't call that rape. It's called pulling a  "sneaky-stalk-cold-shit". :2funny: It's only consider rape when the victim is still conscious & tries to fights back.
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: theking on September 29, 2016, 09:21:47 PM
You don't seem to be able to differentiate the different circumstances in any given scenarios. The abduction scenario? No, a kid still a kid, not a grown up, not educated, whether he knows the abductor or not is absolutely at no fault. As for the drunken driver scenario, the fact that both party knew each other, the victim is also not at fault, besides the drunk driver have no intent unlike the rapist, he does. You're mistaken my position, I'm in no ways saying that both the victims in your given scenario are at fault, responsible for their own well being. I merely high lighting your weak arguments in defending this "NO FAULT" woman. This woman is by no means an innocent angel, she has her faults.

And by the way, hmong people don't call that rape. It's called pulling a  "sneaky-stalk-cold-shit". :2funny: It's only consider rape when the victim is still conscious & tries to fights back.

And you are not very consistent just like the perv in the case. There goes your "relations" point down the toilet. I mean you were the one that brought it up because according to you, if the victim and the perv know each other or have "relations", the victim is at fault. But now that I've proposed the questions because there are also cases like that, you all sudden change your tune to those victims are not at fault. So far your argument is still pretty "weak"..

And yep, she bears "NO FAULT". It's very easy and simple to see as she didn't asked to get raped. Why do you think the perv was trying to marry her? Because he knew he's at fault and once he earned that felony record, his life is pretty much done. 

Doesn't matter what the Hmong call it, violating another person without their consent will put you down as the laws of the land rule here. Therefore, I hope that perv enjoys his newly registered felony title of "sex offender"...
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: theking on September 29, 2016, 09:28:27 PM
He wouldn't. But a criminal would. Having laws doesn't change deviant behavior. Morality doesn't change deviant behavior either. If it did, all modern societies would be crime-free. "Hey look! It's illegal. I guess I shouldn't rob people because it's not legal. And I guess I shouldn't rape that drunk girl passed out. She has her whole life ahead of her. I should be mindful of my actions." If only the world worked that way.

That's why they're "criminal" in the first place. When caught they'll do everything they could to wiggle out of the incident they initiated like the Her guy in this case. He knew he was in deep sh!t so in order to save what's left of him, he asked his victim to marry him...Good thing, the victim said no.
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: thePoster on September 29, 2016, 09:45:24 PM
Man!  Guess no one cared about me almost passing out either...

Cheezez....
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: HUNG TU LO on September 30, 2016, 12:28:03 PM
Man!  Guess no one cared about me almost passing out either...

Cheezez....

Because you're a man? You could've passed out, been robbed and gang butt raped in the open, and people would be filming you saying "He deserves it for passing out drunk. Don't drink what you can't handle."

But if you were a woman passed out drunk in public, the wind blows your skirt up and that's first degree sexual misconduct max penalty of 30 years. We find the defendant, the "wind", GUILTY!
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: nightrider on September 30, 2016, 07:59:31 PM
And you are not very consistent just like the perv in the case. There goes your "relations" point down the toilet. I mean you were the one that brought it up because according to you, if the victim and the perv know each other or have "relations", the victim is at fault. But now that I've proposed the questions because there are also cases like that, you all sudden change your tune to those victims are not at fault. So far your argument is still pretty "weak"..

And yep, she bears "NO FAULT". It's very easy and simple to see as she didn't asked to get raped. Why do you think the perv was trying to marry her? Because he knew he's at fault and once he earned that felony record, his life is pretty much done. 

Doesn't matter what the Hmong call it, violating another person without their consent will put you down as the laws of the land rule here. Therefore, I hope that perv enjoys his newly registered felony title of "sex offender"...

Consistency? You're the one to first brought up the abducted kid and drunk driver taking a life scenario. I totally discredit them and point out the reasons why they're irrelevant and how ridiculous your thought process was in to defending your innocent angel. No one is disputing that the sob is innocent. He did it and he outta pay for his actions. But that's not it, your "innocent" angel need to pay as well. Because crying wolf and playing the innocent card is plain ridiculous. Why? Because we continue to see and hear cases involving miss independent, intelligent, educated, and etc getting wasted and taken advantage off year after year. There's just no end to these kind of "I'd got raped" cases. And if you're going to press charges, don't be surprise for counter lawsuits. Women need to be vigilant and mindful of their actions involving dogs, because dogs are in heat. >:D

It's pointless to argue with someone whom don't seem to understand or have the ability to recognize the simple causes and effects of this woman's chosen course, perhaps we should do a polling to see if anyone thinks this woman is totally innocent given the environment that she participated in before getting ravaged by a drunk?
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: theking on October 03, 2016, 12:10:21 AM
Consistency? You're the one to first brought up the abducted kid and drunk driver taking a life scenario. I totally discredit them and point out the reasons why they're irrelevant and how ridiculous your thought process was in to defending your innocent angel. No one is disputing that the sob is innocent. He did it and he outta pay for his actions. But that's not it, your "innocent" angel need to pay as well. Because crying wolf and playing the innocent card is plain ridiculous. Why? Because we continue to see and hear cases involving miss independent, intelligent, educated, and etc getting wasted and taken advantage off year after year. There's just no end to these kind of "I'd got raped" cases. And if you're going to press charges, don't be surprise for counter lawsuits. Women need to be vigilant and mindful of their actions involving dogs, because dogs are in heat. >:D

It's pointless to argue with someone whom don't seem to understand or have the ability to recognize the simple causes and effects of this woman's chosen course, perhaps we should do a polling to see if anyone thinks this woman is totally innocent given the environment that she participated in before getting ravaged by a drunk?

I brought those examples to show you that just because a person happens to be there, he/she is not at fault for being violated by another person that he/she has no control over. Same with this rape case, if you're going to blame her just because she happens to be there then might as well blame all other victims that just happens to be where they were at when they were violated without their consent. I've been consistent the whole time by not blaming the victim that was raped just because she happens to be where she was at. Why?? Because she has no control over the person violating her so the location doesn't really matter because it can happen anywhere even in her own home...It's pretty simple.

Then your inconsistency comes to play. First you say if they have "relations" then the victims is to blame but when I pointed out that there are also cases like that out there, you quickly changed your tune to no fault.

And no one brought up the "innocent" point for the raper except you so no point on that front.

It's even more pointless to argue with someone that blames the victim even though the victim has no control over the person violating him/her. Go ahead and start your poll if you want. I know for sure the primitive cavemen that like to blame women will back you up but I bet most of us with common sense will be able to see the simple fact that the victim in this case has zero control over the actions of her raper and she didn't asked to be raped. Even if it happens at her own home, I'm sure some primitive cavemen that like to blame women would still blame her just because she happens to be there.

And oh, your "causes and effects" point is laughable... ;D

What did the victim do ("cause") to her raper that warrants her raper to violate ("effect") her..?  ;D

Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: nightrider on October 03, 2016, 06:52:30 PM
I brought those examples to show you that just because a person happens to be there, he/she is not at fault for being violated by another person that he/she has no control over. Same with this rape case, if you're going to blame her just because she happens to be there then might as well blame all other victims that just happens to be where they were at when they were violated without their consent. I've been consistent the whole time by not blaming the victim that was raped just because she happens to be where she was at. Why?? Because she has no control over the person violating her so the location doesn't really matter because it can happen anywhere even in her own home...It's pretty simple.

Then your inconsistency comes to play. First you say if they have "relations" then the victims is to blame but when I pointed out that there are also cases like that out there, you quickly changed your tune to no fault.

And no one brought up the "innocent" point for the raper except you so no point on that front.

It's even more pointless to argue with someone that blames the victim even though the victim has no control over the person violating him/her. Go ahead and start your poll if you want. I know for sure the primitive cavemen that like to blame women will back you up but I bet most of us with common sense will be able to see the simple fact that the victim in this case has zero control over the actions of her raper and she didn't asked to be raped. Even if it happens at her own home, I'm sure some primitive cavemen that like to blame women would still blame her just because she happens to be there.

And oh, your "causes and effects" point is laughable... ;D

What did the victim do ("cause") to her raper that warrants her raper to violate ("effect") her..?  ;D

This is why this rambling sees no end. If one would just try to understand the type of environments in each case, one would know there's varying danger levels in each of them which makes your argument worthless. Same goes to your changing rape scenario, changing the situation of how and when it occurs totally changes the whole case(rejected motion). I will honestly tell you that I would see no danger and rape would be unwarranted if she invite him to her home for a drink. But seriously, do you seriously think this gives you kudos. I still stand my position that she endanger herself. And hey, I never said the dog is/was innocent. I'm simply standing by that this woman put herself in danger which is why she is fukked up and now has to face a counter lawsuit. Dude is guilty, but under what guise? "I was totally drunk, it had a horrible itch..." line? :2funny: Does that make him any less innocent, what about drunk drivers that kill someone? Rape is just way too harsh. Which is all the more reason to sue the victim or the government.lol
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: theking on October 03, 2016, 10:16:45 PM
This is why this rambling sees no end. If one would just try to understand the type of environments in each case, one would know there's varying danger levels in each of them which makes your argument worthless. Same goes to your changing rape scenario, changing the situation of how and when it occurs totally changes the whole case(rejected motion). I will honestly tell you that I would see no danger and rape would be unwarranted if she invite him to her home for a drink. But seriously, do you seriously think this gives you kudos. I still stand my position that she endanger herself. And hey, I never said the dog is/was innocent. I'm simply standing by that this woman put herself in danger which is why she is fukked up and now has to face a counter lawsuit. Dude is guilty, but under what guise? "I was totally drunk, it had a horrible itch..." line? :2funny: Does that make him any less innocent, what about drunk drivers that kill someone? Rape is just way too harsh. Which is all the more reason to sue the victim or the government.lol

Perhaps you're "rambling" but not me. I've countered your every point. And here goes another counter to your "worthless" points. You missed the simple point of that "environment" wasn't "danger" but the primitive idiot that decides to take advantage of the vulnerable victim is. Otherwise the other women that attended would've been violated too if it's the environment that's dangerous. Since you brought up "environment", how about all those women that were raped in their own homes??

Think real hard if you have enough brain cell to see this simple fact: The environment can be at college, home, at a park,  etc., but the real "danger" is the primitive idiot that decides to violate another person.

And no one said, you said the raper was "innocent" so bringing that up is "worthless".

That primitive idiot can counter sue all he wants but I highly doubt it'll go anywhere...Sim ple fact: he made a poor decision, and he knew he did wrong...Which is why he tried real hard to cover it up.

Again if that victim asked to be raped then she is to blame but since she just happens to be there and has no control over her raper's primitive behaviors, she is not at fault.
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: thePoster on October 04, 2016, 05:19:29 PM
What about my wallet!


Man!  Nobody care about my wallet.
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: theking on October 05, 2016, 09:23:45 AM
you know me less...I rob the elderly of their wheelchair or cane and pimp walk just one step ahead making them hard to catch me.  the looks on their faces is priceless, it's like they're in one arms reach and can't touch me.   :2funny: :2funny:

and don't let me tell you about the times when I took candies from babies...the best one was when I robbed a baby of his mother's milk.  :o :D ;D

if they're vulnerable to begin with, mentally challenge, minor or what have you...these are exceptions.  what we're talking about is a sane person, who should have known better.  to put in perspective... I'll use me as an example; I remember when I was a little gangster and hanging out at the Fresno New Year.  I know my frenemies was going to be there (I had a right and so did they)...they're hanging by the food court and I knew they be there BUT YET, I insist on going to buy some food.   :idiot2:   you know what happened right? sh!t went down, because I could have avoided it but didn't...I put my self in a vulnerable situation.  I had to beat some a$$es down :idiot2: :idiot2:...they could have just jump me, take ma'money..take ma'hoe, BUT noooo, they gonna try and take my chicken drumstick...ai n't no fool...gonna.. .touch my....drumstic k!  :knuppel2: :knuppel2: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:



That comparison is even more of a joke... ;D ;D ;D

You've said it yourself, you were a "gangster" and you have "friendenemy"...so that means that your gang and the other gang were already provoking each other and have a history of being "enemy"..

What about the victim in this case? How did she provoke her raper? ...What by passing out??

And how were they "enemy"??

Do you really think the victim would have attend if she knew she was going to get raped by her "friendenemy"?  ...You know the primitive douche bag that took advantage of her while she's passed out...

Taking advantage or violating someone that's passed out is the same as taking advantage of any victim that is *vulnerable* sane or not..

It's very simple to see the differences...
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: theking on October 05, 2016, 09:26:29 AM
who cares about the wallet when the @$$ is free!

If I was passed out and some girls took advantage of me, I don't go blaming them.

If you passed out and those "girls" cut off your dik or kill your love ones for no reason other than you happen to be present, you would be OK??
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: theking on October 05, 2016, 02:52:14 PM
so all your other irrelevant examples are not.  as I see it, they're not even remotely related to the case.  :idiot2: :2funny:

frenenmy = people you know (whether they're bad or not, you don't know).  however, the point is being situational awareness.  you can't control others but you can control yourself.  if you're able to avoid yourself from being in a situation where something bad is about to happen, you prevent it from occurring (to you)...and this lies with your responsibility.

That's where you continue to failed. My examples are spot on in terms of people that have been hurt doing what they do in their everyday life but didn't asked to get raped, abducted or hit by those that inflicted harm onto them nor do they have control over those people's actions.

Your example on the hand, is you know you'll be running into your enemies and will more than likely have an altercation but you still do it which is why you couldn't answer any of the questions I asked about the victim in this case...

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if I'm passed out and they raped me, I pray to god that they would do it again!   :D ;D

Alright, enjoy being dik-less.. ;D
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: theking on October 06, 2016, 01:24:57 PM
you must live in a perfect world.   :idiot2: :2funny:

your examples are comparable to a person who commits a crime without consequences.  in the words of a pokemon, "no logic.."  it's as if an intruder can break into my home and not expect to get shot....better yet, a naked woman on my bed and not expect to be phucked. 

your examples don't support your argument.  what I provided is common sense, if ms. xiong didn't want to be raped (as she claimed), she should have controlled her drinking, left after the party, fought back in the event and report it right away.  she had total control of herself, of which she failed, she was irresponsible, bottomline.  she even tried it in court and got a hung jury, twice...had mr. her not agree to the plea bargain, he would have walked away free.  he was sensing pity, felt pity and wanted to end the case, he could live with the choice he made (to the plea bargain)...very simple.

Nope, wrong again, the world is not perfect as there are still too many idiots that blamed the victims instead of their attackers eventhough  the victims had zero control of their attackers' primitive behaviors. I just have enough common sense to know that when a victim is violated and he/she didn't ask for nor have any control over his/her attacker's behavior, he/she should not be blame as in this case..

My examples are spot on because it relates to victims that had no history with their attackers, didn't asked to be violated, and had no control over their attackers' behaviors.

Your example of you being a gangster, having a bad history with your  enemies , and getting into a fight with them is a complete joke when compared to the victim in this case..
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: theking on October 06, 2016, 01:27:37 PM
Heard the case was dropped and the attorney defending her chose to do it for free.

If true. Kudos.

Yep, not surprised. It's so simple and clear to see who's right and wrong in this case but some Clueless folks can't seem to grasp it..
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: theking on October 06, 2016, 10:35:39 PM
Lol...it's all good, I'm not trying to change your beliefs (when having to revert back to it) because there's lack of comprehension and no counter.  However, keep in mind that when one have no choice but to become a victim they will understand to be more careful next time...Don't drink too much, don't sleep over a male friend/stranger's place, and wear protection when having sex.

Yep, I can see your "lack of comprehension" so like you said, "it's all good"..

And doesn't matter if a woman sleeps at her "male friend/stranger's place", it still doesn't give a douche bag the right to rape her...
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: theking on October 06, 2016, 10:47:25 PM
She knows he's a douche, but yet still sleeps at his place.  Who does she think he is?  Gay?  Besides, he was doing her a favor by cleansing her!   :D :2funny: :2funny:

Nope she doesn't ...but feel free to make things up if it makes you happy ... ;D
Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: SummerBerry on October 07, 2016, 12:52:11 PM
you must live in a perfect world.   :idiot2: :2funny:

your examples are comparable to a person who commits a crime without consequences.  in the words of a pokemon, "no logic.."  it's as if an intruder can break into my home and not expect to get shot....better yet, a naked woman on my bed and not expect to be phucked. 

your examples don't support your argument.  what I provided is common sense, if ms. xiong didn't want to be raped (as she claimed), she should have controlled her drinking, left after the party, fought back in the event and report it right away.  she had total control of herself, of which she failed, she was irresponsible, bottomline.  she even tried it in court and got a hung jury, twice...had mr. her not agree to the plea bargain, he would have walked away free.  he was sensing pity, felt pity and wanted to end the case, he could live with the choice he made (to the plea bargain)...very simple.

I don't have sympathy for either one of them.  I still blamed Ms. Xiong for going to the party in the 1st place, not controlling her drinking, etc.  Only they know what happen that lead up to that minute because we are not there to witness who is pulling and dragging to do the shit consent or not when your brain is completely not working and thinking right.  The one thing is that Ms Xiong waking up to noticed it didn't leave......sit all pretty and calmed and still getting a ride from Mr. Her to her apt/dorm to get her stuffs to head to school/class. 

Mr Her could have walk free if he had a better lawyer and stop changing story and especially tseem involved qhov ne Hmoob kevcai........ .. 


Title: Re: What's wrong with Hmong people...
Post by: theking on October 07, 2016, 03:09:13 PM
I don't have sympathy for either one of them.  I still blamed Ms. Xiong for going to the party in the 1st place, not controlling her drinking, etc.  Only they know what happen that lead up to that minute because we are not there to witness who is pulling and dragging to do the shit consent or not when your brain is completely not working and thinking right.  The one thing is that Ms Xiong waking up to noticed it didn't leave......sit all pretty and calmed and still getting a ride from Mr. Her to her apt/dorm to get her stuffs to head to school/class. 

Mr Her could have walk free if he had a better lawyer and stop changing story and especially tseem involved qhov ne Hmoob kevcai........ ..

As I've said in the other thread: If you believe that then you might as well blamed those victims that were violated for taking a walk in their neighborhood or attending the new year celebrations or attending school, going shopping, etc. To blame the victim just because she attended the party is not a very good reason because she has every right to attend that party and enjoy herself like all the other attendees. The raper on the other hand has no zero right to rape without consent. If her attending the party is to blame then why didn't the other women that also attended also get raped??

Bottomline is there's zero excuse to rape someone without their consent regardless of setting which is why it's a crime so all the fault lies on the rapers that made the decision to rape their victims...NOT their victims.


thank you for the sensible input.  theking's thinking is that he can walk into a gay bar and not get hit on.  people with less than common sense will have to learn the hard way. 

mr. her already beat the case once...had mr. her stood his ground, he would have walked away, free. 

I expect to get hit on but I don't expect to get rape without my consent...That's why your examples are such a joke. People hitting on others in certain settings is not against the law but but people raping others without their consent is...See the difference? I doubt it even though it's very "sensable".

"mr. her" did not beat it, just delay it but once the evidence were all in, he got nailed and will have to wear the sex offender label from now on...