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Title: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: hmgROCK on December 15, 2016, 10:12:12 AM
what about yer shao ( hope I type this right, the hmong god in the sky)????
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Believe_N_Me on December 18, 2016, 12:50:56 AM
Because nobody is educated about the other religions.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Toua on December 22, 2016, 12:38:23 AM
because most people are brain dead and think Jesus is the "only" God....
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Gucci K on December 22, 2016, 10:41:24 AM
what about yer shao ( hope I type this right, the hmong god in the sky)????
i work for yer ntxwg nyoog...what do you want to know about him?  >:D

we drink yer thao on the weekends, when we teev dab, women are often the sacrificial animal!

we do jingle bells, does that mean, we believe in santa claus?  only if she's naughty!  O0
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Dom on December 27, 2016, 12:45:50 PM
Because your god GVP didn't raise himself from the dead. Too busy grilling pork belly with the ultimate dab, Lucifer, over an open flame.

Party on.  :2funny:
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Toua on January 06, 2017, 10:58:08 AM
Because your god GVP didn't raise himself from the dead. Too busy grilling pork belly with the ultimate dab, Lucifer, over an open flame.

Party on.  :2funny:

hahahaha :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: duckwingduck on January 07, 2017, 04:21:15 PM
We have a few Hmong muslims.  But they are so few.  I doubt they ever show up on PH.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Dom on April 19, 2017, 09:45:33 PM
What about your god known as GVP?  ;D
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: joot on April 21, 2017, 09:49:43 PM
Why do we always have 12 yr olds lurking in this religious thread?  For once, can I have some intelligent people to "debate" with?  Why must religious threads attract kids?
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Dom on April 24, 2017, 01:03:01 PM
Why do we always have 12 yr olds lurking in this religious thread?  For once, can I have some intelligent people to "debate" with?  Why must religious threads attract kids?
Most are brain-dead and can't follow a conversation. Hopefully it's not a hmong thing.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: lifemystery on May 08, 2017, 02:01:17 PM
In other words, 'my god is better than your god.'
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Visualmon on June 24, 2017, 01:17:36 AM
Are we talking about the Greek Olympians or Tibetian Bodhisattva Avalokiteshvar a? They're just folktales told by villagers to entertain kids only.  O0
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Believe_N_Me on September 15, 2017, 03:09:27 AM
But mostly we don't talk about other gods because they don't exist.  :)
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: DeadbeatDAD on May 10, 2018, 07:35:01 PM
Because the only two gods fighting are the god of christians and the god of muslims.
Hello, god is english and allah or alla is in arabic.
Someone needs to step up and let their followers know that the crips and bloods are actually humans and why are they killing for an entity that says, hey, nomatter who wins or died, i will still win since i am the system, the entity, thr coporation and the one with the $$.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: YeejKoob13 on May 14, 2018, 11:53:48 AM
Because other people are way less insecured about their gods/religions. Most Hmong go on with their lives like adults with little supervision, unlike jews, muslims and christians who need constant reminder daily, even hourly, like little children.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: YeejKoob13 on May 14, 2018, 11:57:45 AM
Heh heh heh, all other christians (plus muslims and jews) don't believe and thus deny the existence of everyone elses other christian jehovas/gods.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: hmgROCK on May 16, 2018, 11:44:42 AM
lol

soo many god
which to choose
time we stop all these nonsense

and go with a science evdiences base
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 16, 2018, 04:04:59 PM
Because other people are way less insecured about their gods/religions. Most Hmong go on with their lives like adults with little supervision, unlike jews, muslims and christians who need constant reminder daily, even hourly, like little children.

Most Hmong or other people who go on with their lives with little supervision is really the application of naturalism that is rooted in man's rebellion against God. Or as the Bible taught, it's man's futile attempts to suppress the truth of God. These people are nothing more than nihilism. I have never understood why most Hmong people does things like work a regular job or strive to pay bills. If I truly believed in these people why would I not party as hard as I can and live like a wrecking ball and when my time is up it's up. What's the point of being responsible or having goals, etc?
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 16, 2018, 04:09:22 PM
lol

soo many god
which to choose
time we stop all these nonsense

and go with a science evdiences base

Atheism is nonsense. If Atheism is true, atheists would be the biggest criminals, murders, whoremongers, etc. But, we know most aren't. So your worldview is inconsistent at best, ultimately an outright lie.  :2funny:
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: YeejKoob13 on May 17, 2018, 06:17:01 PM
Most Hmong or other people who go on with their lives with little supervision is really the application of naturalism that is rooted in man's rebellion against God. Or as the Bible taught, it's man's futile attempts to suppress the truth of God. These people are nothing more than nihilism. I have never understood why most Hmong people does things like work a regular job or strive to pay bills. If I truly believed in these people why would I not party as hard as I can and live like a wrecking ball and when my time is up it's up. What's the point of being responsible or having goals, etc?

Bleh. There are many beliefs and definitions of god. Yours is just one among many of the different christian gods. Then there are other gods.

I’d sure like to see you pull your god out from his hiding and prove definitively that he exists. Other than that, what you stated up above is what you believe from other peoples teachings. And no proud Hmong should be that lacking to fall for some one elses fiction while turning around to diss what was once his ancestors.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: YeejKoob13 on May 17, 2018, 06:24:10 PM
Most Hmong or other people who go on with their lives with little supervision is really the application of naturalism that is rooted in man's rebellion against God. Or as the Bible taught, it's man's futile attempts to suppress the truth of God. These people are nothing more than nihilism. I have never understood why most Hmong people does things like work a regular job or strive to pay bills. If I truly believed in these people why would I not party as hard as I can and live like a wrecking ball and when my time is up it's up. What's the point of being responsible or having goals, etc?

You dont understand why Hmong (and others) behave the way they do because you have swallowed some one elses beliefs. You are basing their “strange and/or inexplicable behavior” through some one elses assumption that there is a christian god(s).
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 17, 2018, 07:09:17 PM
Bleh. There are many beliefs and definitions of god. Yours is just one among many of the different christian gods. Then there are other gods.

I’d sure like to see you pull your god out from his hiding and prove definitively that he exists. Other than that, what you stated up above is what you believe from other peoples teachings. And no proud Hmong should be that lacking to fall for some one elses fiction while turning around to diss what was once his ancestors.

Well, the interesting thing is that all those cultures who worshiped many gods during that time frame, when Christianity reached them, they realized that it was what they were looking for all along, left behind those idolatrous religions, and adopted Christianity. All those religions have disappeared, and Christianity has taken their places.

Most cultures of the world have been historically polytheistic, not until Jesus Christ came to saved them. 

Secular history has claim the oldest civilization known to be the Sumerian empire.

Genesis 10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

Look up "Erech" and do a word search in the Hebrew. You will find that Erech (Erek) is actually the Sumerian and later became a city of Babylonia.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Erech (https://www.britannica.com/place/Erech)

Read the context of Genesis 10 and you will see that Sumerian came from Noah's great grandson Nimrod who started the empire.

This therefore, puts all the pagan gods after the Flood. Pagans gods were created by rebellions man against Yahweh.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: YeejKoob13 on May 17, 2018, 07:36:13 PM
All that writing and effort from the previous post didnt prove what was asked of you.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 17, 2018, 07:37:25 PM
All that writing and effort from the previous post didnt prove what was asked of you.

The Bible says Yahweh is the only God; all the other gods are just idols.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 17, 2018, 08:22:34 PM
I’d sure like to see you pull your god out from his hiding and prove definitively that he exists.

Yes I can prove God exists, and I will, as soon as you prove that you exist.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: YeejKoob13 on May 17, 2018, 11:10:37 PM
Yes I can prove God exists, and I will, as soon as you prove that you exist.

Ok, I’m going to piss in a cup, infront of your viewing eyes, and give it to you to drink. If after drinking it, despite the taste, the smell, the nourishment you get from it, you still say i havent proved anything since my perception of reality is not the same as yours, and a bunch of other stuffs, etc, then i accept that i havent proved my existence. Deal?
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: DeadbeatDAD on May 18, 2018, 01:21:04 PM
For all the free thinkers that have been awoke. I applause you all and hope we can educated the ones who are too enclosed.

The old testement vs the new...
Hmong people dont know shit about the old and new testament. They claimed they do, but never read anything except for the animation and bible story books.
Accept what i just said and deny your religion as souce of faith for healing and good deeds and you will have pass the 1st step into the universes secret.

Yawg saub, he is good..like a deity, he comes and goes and likes to help people repent.
But we all know religion is for healing and good deed purposes only.

The truth is, jesus may not be real such as yawg saub, but if you believe then you have faith and that serves a purpose to life and death..
Drop the mic...lol
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: DeadbeatDAD on May 18, 2018, 01:29:26 PM
Yes I can prove God exists, and I will, as soon as you prove that you exist.
Dude, we exist...everyt hing exist..god exist..you exist..
But does your mind allow you to exit the prison cells that held you there until you surrender to the person in the mirror and admit your defeat is attrihute to gracious humility..then you will know what existence is truly about...
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 18, 2018, 04:08:21 PM
For all the free thinkers that have been awoke. I applause you all and hope we can educated the ones who are too enclosed.

The old testement vs the new...
Hmong people dont know shit about the old and new testament. They claimed they do, but never read anything except for the animation and bible story books.
Accept what i just said and deny your religion as souce of faith for healing and good deeds and you will have pass the 1st step into the universes secret.

Yawg saub, he is good..like a deity, he comes and goes and likes to help people repent.
But we all know religion is for healing and good deed purposes only.

The truth is, jesus may not be real such as yawg saub, but if you believe then you have faith and that serves a purpose to life and death..
Drop the mic...lol

All occult have taught you need to find secret wisdom then you become more spiritual, this is the same message which Satan said in the garden: when you eat it you will know like God.

Adam and Eve did not know "wisdom of dark side". When they ate their eyes were opened and they understood to be naked. That's the thing, you don't need to know those things.

All occult try to search those hidden things. We have God's Word full of knowledge revealed to us. It is not hidden at all.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 18, 2018, 04:13:05 PM
For all the free thinkers that have been awoke. I applause you all and hope we can educated the ones who are too enclosed.

The old testement vs the new...
Hmong people dont know shit about the old and new testament. They claimed they do, but never read anything except for the animation and bible story books.

I know a little bout it. What do you want to know? Just ask me and I can explain it to you.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 18, 2018, 04:28:19 PM
Dude, we exist...everyt hing exist..god exist..you exist..
But does your mind allow you to exit the prison cells that held you there until you surrender to the person in the mirror and admit your defeat is attrihute to gracious humility..then you will know what existence is truly about...

You are saying that a person can find inner peace by searching oneself.

The Christian life is God coming to live inside of you. Inner true peace only God can give and saved you.

The view you seem to project is New Age shit and Eastern religions. I don't hold to those views.

You will find that New Age including Eastern religions can happily exist with contradictions, fallacies in logic, relativism etc.  They don't care much.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: DeadbeatDAD on May 18, 2018, 05:43:51 PM
You are saying that a person can find inner peace by searching oneself.

The Christian life is God coming to live inside of you. Inner true peace only God can give and saved you.

The view you seem to project is New Age shit and Eastern religions. I don't hold to those views.

You will find that New Age including Eastern religions can happily exist with contradictions, fallacies in logic, relativism etc.  They don't care much.

If you dont find inner wisdom and relied on christianity as your savior then you are guided by blindness and that leads to brainwashing..
Go read the old testament, and go read some real shit, then you will know that religion is true for the common people, and false for the wise and useful for the rules...lol

Open your eyes because once you find out the truth, you will be disappointed.

Do i need to explain more of the truth?
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 18, 2018, 06:59:54 PM
If you dont find inner wisdom and relied on christianity as your savior then you are guided by blindness and that leads to brainwashing..
Go read the old testament, and go read some real shit, then you will know that religion is true for the common people, and false for the wise and useful for the rules...lol

Open your eyes because once you find out the truth, you will be disappointed.

Do i need to explain more of the truth?

I assume you don't believe in original sin? You don't have a concept of original sin so you don't see a need to be saved.

People who don't realize their wretched state of being sinners will never believe they're lost or in need of saving.

If so, from where do you receive direction and how do you know where you're going?
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 18, 2018, 07:10:46 PM
If you dont find inner wisdom and relied on christianity as your savior then you are guided by blindness and that leads to brainwashing..

That's what you think!

In the Bible, in the book of John, Jesus said "one must be born again".

Jesus was describing the way the Spirit works. You and I can see the effect but we have no way to see wind or to understand it.

Being born again is a miracle of God! I was saved 12 years ago. The Holy Spirit cannot be seen but when He comes on a man there is an effect.

Does the New Age has this kind of power? I doubt it since it's rubbish stuff created by Satan. Satan can only counterfiet what God made and has no power over God.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 18, 2018, 07:55:53 PM
I think it is better if you talk more about your views.

Why do you believe in that? Or whatever that is.

Then explain what your standard and authority of the truth is.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: DeadbeatDAD on May 18, 2018, 11:42:02 PM
I assume you don't believe in original sin? You don't have a concept of original sin so you don't see a need to be saved.

People who don't realize their wretched state of being sinners will never believe they're lost or in need of saving.

If so, from where do you receive direction and how do you know where you're going?

Dont relied on the bible because it wasnt written by jesus or his apostles.. thats where you got it wrong.
The old testament talks about god telling moses to find the promise land and so he went and was told to kill the canites..
That is murdering...
Im sure you know about the Law of Moses??

What im telling you is that you can believe in what you was want, but dont believe in it too much where you will die defending it...
Do you know christianity was forced on people by rulers so they can share common grounds with people and rule them better.

Im glad you are saved, and i am too, but i dont believe in him so do you say it was inconcidence or our faith is was saved us???
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 19, 2018, 12:46:42 AM
Dont relied on the bible because it wasnt written by jesus or his apostles.. thats where you got it wrong.
The old testament talks about god telling moses to find the promise land and so he went and was told to kill the canites..
That is murdering...
Im sure you know about the Law of Moses??

What im telling you is that you can believe in what you was want, but dont believe in it too much where you will die defending it...
Do you know christianity was forced on people by rulers so they can share common grounds with people and rule them better.

Im glad you are saved, and i am too, but i dont believe in him so do you say it was inconcidence or our faith is was saved us???

God would have been just in killing the Canaanites including everyone after seeing the pattern of all the child being born for  the next four generations.
I mean we are told in the Bible that God gave them 400 years to repent. That's a very long time. We are told that the sins of these people have not reach its full measure.
This means that there is a limit to how much sin God would put up. So because these people did not repent they were destroyed. Each new generations grew up to be exactly like their parents and do evil before God.

So if you think about it, this actually proves God is patient, loving and merciful.

Jesus and the Apostles may not have wrote the Bible, but they quoted from the Septuagint and that's good enough. Most if not all of our modern translation, specifically the New Testament quotes from the Septuagint. Jesus, Peter, Syriac and most recent the Dead Sea Scrolls which agree majority of the time. This is evidence that what we have now is what they used back then.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 19, 2018, 12:50:35 AM
You probably haven't even read the book. You're just spewing arguments you heard from atheists.
If you have read it and understood it, you wouldn't have come up with such a stupid arguments.  :2funny:
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 19, 2018, 12:53:15 AM
You said you are saved yet you don't believe in God or Jesus. I say you are a lair.


Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 19, 2018, 02:51:38 AM
Do you know christianity was forced on people by rulers so they can share common grounds with people and rule them better.

Not force but maybe in different ways. How else would they do it, if they can't relate to these people when they are evangelizing?

Once you start doing missionary work then you'll know. You have to learn their culture and language.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: YeejKoob13 on May 19, 2018, 06:03:29 AM
Yes I can prove God exists, and I will, as soon as you prove that you exist.

I’m sure you read my proposal earlier already.

Yah, so?

You spoke too soon?
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: YeejKoob13 on May 19, 2018, 06:12:17 AM
Not force but maybe in different ways. How else would they do it, if they can't relate to these people when they are evangelizing?

Once you start doing missionary work then you'll know. You have to learn their culture and language.

The wack coming from you is dizzying.

Now not only we Hmong have to stop cultural assimilation from other peoples cultures wanting to consume us, we also have to fight against Meos who would help them... Our fight is going to be that much harder now when we got neeg vwjtxheej rov taws tuaj ntuj people like you around. You think you found enlightenment, but really you were just culturally imperialised.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: YeejKoob13 on May 19, 2018, 06:31:15 AM
As i was going with the other thread,,, you got judaism, then catholicism (ordered to be assembled by emperor constantine) then like the jurassic period, the protestant “reformation” occurred, and now these people have hit the cretaceous time frame where all these different yesxus believers, churches, sects, denominations are sprouting out of everywhere nearly each having differing ideas of what is true... if jehova is all knowing and as some jesus(es) believers would argue that jehova is meticulous since hes like a clock/watch maker then why did he give such confusing directions that people end up having hundreds, maybe even thousands of interpretation s of what his words are?

Some of these protestant Meo who criticize Jw and mormonism dont even realized they “re-interpreted” from judaism and to a degree the catholics, and yet now dont allow the mormons and Jw to “re-interpret” what christianity should be. Hypocrites... yah, i mean even when Joseph Smith found new evidences these other protestants refuse to accept, lol.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 19, 2018, 08:55:18 AM
The wack coming from you is dizzying.

Now not only we Hmong have to stop cultural assimilation from other peoples cultures wanting to consume us, we also have to fight against Meos who would help them... Our fight is going to be that much harder now when we got neeg vwjtxheej rov taws tuaj ntuj people like you around. You think you found enlightenment, but really you were just culturally imperialised.

First don't categorized me with Rome.  Secondly, they have stopped using religion for war and forcing it on people like 500 years ago.

Third, Hmong will never change because you Hmong still bride kidnapping. Isn't that still Hmong custom/manner?

It's people like you are problem with the world... not us. We've already reformed.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 19, 2018, 09:37:50 AM
As i was going with the other thread,,, you got judaism, then catholicism (ordered to be assembled by emperor constantine) then like the jurassic period, the protestant “reformation” occurred, and now these people have hit the cretaceous time frame where all these different yesxus believers, churches, sects, denominations are sprouting out of everywhere nearly each having differing ideas of what is true... if jehova is all knowing and as some jesus(es) believers would argue that jehova is meticulous since hes like a clock/watch maker then why did he give such confusing directions that people end up having hundreds, maybe even thousands of interpretation s of what his words are?

My position is a bit more open minded.

If what you say is true, then we all would have to be scholars to read Hebrew and Greek, since they were the originals written in those languages.

Syria had their own copy. Greek spoken Jews have their own copy.

You don't think God can give His Words to everyone in their own languages?

Despite of this, the differences in our modern Bible will depend on which Manuscripts the translator translated from. Modern Bible OT followed the Hebrew Masocretic Text while the NT followed the Textus Receptus. Everything is not going to be word for word perfectly translated. This is why the differences exists.

Some of these protestant Meo who criticize Jw and mormonism dont even realized they “re-interpreted” from judaism and to a degree the catholics, and yet now dont allow the mormons and Jw to “re-interpret” what christianity should be. Hypocrites... yah, i mean even when Joseph Smith found new evidences these other protestants refuse to accept, lol.

Do JWs and Mormons follow the Hebrew or Greek?

Get back to me when you find this out.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 19, 2018, 10:05:24 AM
I’m sure you read my proposal earlier already.

Yah, so?

You spoke too soon?

I dare you to show me your tiny little peewee

But wait... how do I even know it's yours?
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: YeejKoob13 on May 19, 2018, 09:21:25 PM
I dare you to show me your tiny little peewee

But wait... how do I even know it's yours?

I suspected you were going to try the weasle route.

As i said, after i piss in a cup, while you watch the process happen, you then drink it. Feel the warmth. Smell the aroma. Gulp it all down. And after that if you still insist i have not proven my existence to you then i accept that i have failed to convince you so.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: YeejKoob13 on May 19, 2018, 09:39:09 PM
My position is a bit more open minded.

If what you say is true, then we all would have to be scholars to read Hebrew and Greek, since they were the originals written in those languages.

Syria had their own copy. Greek spoken Jews have their own copy.

You don't think God can give His Words to everyone in their own languages?

Despite of this, the differences in our modern Bible will depend on which Manuscripts the translator translated from. Modern Bible OT followed the Hebrew Masocretic Text while the NT followed the Textus Receptus. Everything is not going to be word for word perfectly translated. This is why the differences exists.

Do JWs and Mormons follow the Hebrew or Greek?

Get back to me when you find this out.

Dont matter what JW and Mormons use. They were somehow inspired by Jehova and given new “evidences or revelations” and thats how they came to be. Just like jesus and his disciples usurped Judaism. JW and Mormons have been speaking Jehovas name for all these years and they havent been smited (smote?), so guess thats gods approval right there. If anything they have been growing. They are as christian as you are.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: DeadbeatDAD on May 19, 2018, 11:25:23 PM
You said you are saved yet you don't believe in God or Jesus. I say you are a lair.

I am not saved from your god, but why is that we, the people are yet still saved even though we believed in other form of religion.
which god are you talking about? The god who who condone killing the caanite because they disapproved of gods godly ways, and why arent the hebrew killed when they too worshipped paganism under mt. Sina. and yet they are okay to kill others?

Dude, you dont know anything about religion, do you?
I just told you facts from the bible.. now what did you say again?
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: DeadbeatDAD on May 19, 2018, 11:36:00 PM
First don't categorized me with Rome.  Secondly, they have stopped using religion for war and forcing it on people like 500 years ago.

Third, Hmong will never change because you Hmong still bride kidnapping. Isn't that still Hmong custom/manner?

It's people like you are problem with the world... not us. We've already reformed.

I love debating with you brother. I hope we can educate you on religion and there is no true religion. Religion is use on people like you and me so they can control us.
Do you know why HMONg people dont have any hate towards other religion? Simple, we dont brag and we dont go around telling people they are doom if they dont believe in god..

Wake up and dont be control by the book...wake up.
Also, dont talk about bride kidnapping. You dont have a right and should be ashamed. Vietnam hmongs are a third world and its a tradition that we dont tolerate and condemning, but dknt compare it to us. You are better than that.

The majority of hmongs have changed and are reforming the old ways and making it better with the american culture.
You need to stop dividing the hmong people.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 20, 2018, 10:14:49 AM
Dont matter what JW and Mormons use. They were somehow inspired by Jehova and given new “evidences or revelations” and thats how they came to be. Just like jesus and his disciples usurped Judaism. JW and Mormons have been speaking Jehovas name for all these years and they havent been smited (smote?), so guess thats gods approval right there. If anything they have been growing. They are as christian as you are.

Jehovah Witness and Mormons both deny the Trinity. If they were inspired, why didn't they go by what the early apostles and Christians believe? The early apostles and believers believed in Jesus physical Resurrection. Something Jehovah Witness deny.

You go through history and you see the disciples of Jesus and their followers all the way up to the time of the JW or Mormons.  By the way, they're both new religions. They did not believe what early Christians believe. Where or how did they get these "new revelations or evidence" from?

Just because they are growing it doesn't make it true. Islam is also growing at a much more faster rate and yet they were wrong about what early Christians believe. Muhammad wasnt a prophet, if he were, he would of taught the same as the original disciples. Joseph Smith and JWs did not conformed in the same way. Therefore, this is further evidence that they cannot be true prophets of God.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 20, 2018, 10:21:45 AM
I suspected you were going to try the weasle route.

As i said, after i piss in a cup, while you watch the process happen, you then drink it. Feel the warmth. Smell the aroma. Gulp it all down. And after that if you still insist i have not proven my existence to you then i accept that i have failed to convince you so.

I don't know why you keep talking and cannot show up.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 20, 2018, 10:46:25 AM
I am not saved from your god, but why is that we, the people are yet still saved even though we believed in other form of religion.

Because contradictory religious systems cannot both be true. You have to give your evidence so that I know what it is that you are saved from etc.

Saying 'my religion is true' is empty because that's what people all say. That doesn't exclude my religion from being true, too, if you know what I mean?

You said there is no true religion, then that also includes your religion. Therefore, your religion cannot be true. See how you're not being consistent.

On my end, I don't claim all religion to be true. That's why I made the arguments I did.

which god are you talking about? The god who who condone killing the caanite because they disapproved of gods godly ways, and why arent the hebrew killed when they too worshipped paganism under mt. Sina. and yet they are okay to kill others?

Dude, you dont know anything about religion, do you?
I just told you facts from the bible.. now what did you say again?

Because they repented of behalf of Moses. The Bible actually says that if the people repent then God will not bring down His judgment upon them. Did the Caanites repent??
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 20, 2018, 11:10:06 AM
I love debating with you brother. I hope we can educate you on religion and there is no true religion. Religion is use on people like you and me so they can control us.
Do you know why HMONg people dont have any hate towards other religion? Simple, we dont brag and we dont go around telling people they are doom if they dont believe in god..

Our Constitution and Bill of Rights are also designed to control man...are they not real and valid?

So you're saying religion is made to control us. Well let me ask you this... were you controlled?

The majority of hmongs have changed and are reforming the old ways and making it better with the american culture.
You need to stop dividing the hmong people.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 20, 2018, 12:20:12 PM
Do you know why HMONg people dont have any hate towards other religion? Simple, we dont brag and we dont go around telling people they are doom if they dont believe in god..

Very true. Hmong people might not hate on other religions, but they hate toward their own kind. This is why when a leader take on a higher position, they get jealous and want to dethrone each other. So yes, they do brag. This is why Hmong people don't have a country.

Other races even though they also have their own division, the still come to respect each other unlike Hmong people. The Chinese have billions of its citizens and they'rel able to govern their country with its rules and laws. The Hmong people only has 300K population and yet can't even get along.  :2funny:
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Rebel on May 20, 2018, 04:57:42 PM
...lol
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: DeadbeatDAD on May 21, 2018, 12:51:28 AM
Very true. Hmong people might not hate on other religions, but they hate toward their own kind. This is why when a leader take on a higher position, they get jealous and want to dethrone each other. So yes, they do brag. This is why Hmong people don't have a country.

Other races even though they also have their own division, the still come to respect each other unlike Hmong people. The Chinese have billions of its citizens and they'rel able to govern their country with its rules and laws. The Hmong people only has 300K population and yet can't even get along.  :2funny:
My dear brother yeng,
You have learned so much, but yet have not learn at all. I am so glad that i camr back here to educate my hmongs. Once upon a time, i left but i do not close the door on others and will gladly help you..

Dont ever generalized and say only hmongs get jealous and will fight each other.. not true, but you need to understand the circumstances.
Dont generalize.. you will not learn anything, but ignorances on your part and be clouded with antics of how to isolate hmongs instead of helping.
You need some social developmental knowledge and here it is.
Never generalize and say only hmong this and that... wrong.

Historic facts
Chinese betray one another, fought within themselves.. were being conquer from on group to the next... then conquered by the mongols then machus for 500 so years.

Then you have american people.. hell, where have you been living all these years?
Do you seen unity in america?
Whites democrats hates republicans a d liberals.
You got the white privilege racist going on..
Blacks on gangs..

Remember, if you want to talk about ME, a hmong man, and my hmong people treating hmong women like property then
---> a-boo-wa-la... white women were treated like property and couldnt do anything, treated like blacks.. and that was 60 something years ago.. 1940 or 50s...

Stop with the only hmong people...
Every race does it too. So hope you will open up your mind..
Honestly, if you want to learn how to open your mind.. pm me. Seriously i can help. Im just bejng funny here thats all.


Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: YeejKoob13 on May 21, 2018, 07:56:40 AM
I don't know why you keep talking and cannot show up.

Youre a disingenuous person. And so requires a binding contract that spells specifically what each party has to do. Since you asked me to prove my existence, then you come to my terms. You think you are some sort of special and want to pull wool over mine and peoples eyes, but your deciet and kev tawv will be your ruin.

You really want to drink piss then buy a plane ticket and come see me. Once you get here and do what you dared me to do i will reimburse your ticket cost.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: YeejKoob13 on May 21, 2018, 08:08:26 AM
Jehovah Witness and Mormons both deny the Trinity. If they were inspired, why didn't they go by what the early apostles and Christians believe? The early apostles and believers believed in Jesus physical Resurrection. Something Jehovah Witness deny.

You go through history and you see the disciples of Jesus and their followers all the way up to the time of the JW or Mormons.  By the way, they're both new religions. They did not believe what early Christians believe. Where or how did they get these "new revelations or evidence" from?

Just because they are growing it doesn't make it true. Islam is also growing at a much more faster rate and yet they were wrong about what early Christians believe. Muhammad wasnt a prophet, if he were, he would of taught the same as the original disciples. Joseph Smith and JWs did not conformed in the same way. Therefore, this is further evidence that they cannot be true prophets of God.

The Jw and mormons dont have to go by what the early ursurpers of judaism (in other words, the christians) went by. hundreds of years later Jehova  gave them new evidences. Go search up on google what joseph smith found and who/what came to him in the forest. Thats jehovas new revelation right there,,, sorry, but the Jw, mormons, others, are de facto christians and you all are lumped together despite your protest. Likely in the future, probably within your lifetime, there will be new sects coming out of the woodwork too (some probably from china) further hijacking your “true christian principles.” Thats what you get for disbelieving in the pope and catholicism. Now you have others doing the same thing to you.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 21, 2018, 08:58:12 AM
The Jw and mormons dont have to go by what the early ursurpers of judaism (in other words, the christians) went by. hundreds of years later Jehova  gave them new evidences. Go search up on google what joseph smith found and who/what came to him in the forest. Thats jehovas new revelation right there,,, sorry, but the Jw, mormons, others, are de facto christians and you all are lumped together despite your protest. Likely in the future, probably within your lifetime, there will be new sects coming out of the woodwork too (some probably from china) further hijacking your “true christian principles.” Thats what you get for disbelieving in the pope and catholicism. Now you have others doing the same thing to you.

Mormonism and Jehovah Witness isn't Christianity. They have written another Gospel. Sorry, you're dead wrong.

Joseph Smith's claim is JUST like Muhammads, an angel in a cave.

And Polygamy isn't part of God's covenant. Smith was a pervert, and wanted many wives, so he created his own religion to allow himself all the wives he wanted.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: YeejKoob13 on May 21, 2018, 09:17:48 AM
Mormonism and Jehovah Witness isn't Christianity. They have written another Gospel. Sorry, you're dead wrong.

Joseph Smith's claim is JUST like Muhammads, an angel in a cave.

And Polygamy isn't part of God's covenant. Smith was a pervert, and wanted many wives, so he created his own religion to allow himself all the wives he wanted.

Thats your interpretation . Blasphemous, i might say. Many others see that as jehova giving clear revelations for joseph smith (and muhammad as well)....

So now you can see how humans have expediently created and usurped doctrines to fit their own agendas. And thats what the christians did to judaism. And thats what christians did to other christians. And thats what white christians who want more members to keep their status quo, their way of life, their beliefs, their legacies to survive onwards have done to your parents and you... humans designed these religions for political purposes. Recognize it so you can free yourself from theirs. We hmong are doing the same thing. But its ours. Its our ancestors. Its how we keep the people together,,, Its politics,,, together so that one day we will grow strong enough as well and can project our way of life, our narratives, our reality onto others, just like what white christians have done and are doing to some hmong. None of us know if the afterlife truly exists. We only know of this world. And we must ensure hmong live onwards in this world.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 21, 2018, 09:44:33 AM
Thats your interpretation . Blasphemous, i might say. Many others see that as jehova giving clear revelations for joseph smith (and muhammad as well)....

So now you can see how humans have expediently created and usurped doctrines to fit their own agendas. And thats what the cristians did to judaism. And thats what christians did to other christians. And thats what white christians who want more members to keep their status quo, their way of life, their beliefs, their legacies to survive onwards have done to your parents and you.

Funny. The followers of Jesus were mostly Jewish of that time. These Jews made up the 1st century and as time went forward they identify themselves as Messianic Jews who believes in Jesus as Messiah. Christianity is the continuation from Judaism. There are several hundreds of examples of fulfilled prophecy in the Old Testament concerning Jesus.

Show me anywhere in the Old Testament does it point to Joseph Smith or Muhammad?

Why should we believe people who came hundreds or thousands of years layer who tell us something different from what the Bible has been taught for centuries?
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 21, 2018, 10:04:15 AM
Oh so they don't have to go by what the early ursurpers of judaism.. i seee.

So then Mormons teach a new gospel isn't?
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: DeadbeatDAD on May 21, 2018, 03:31:24 PM
How am i saved.. my culture dictates filial peity and acnestrals did mentioned that we should forbid acts of mischiefs.

1. Do not rob or steal
2. Do not gamble, do drugs
3. Do not involved in adultry

There you go... money words for free...
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: dogmai on May 22, 2018, 03:41:41 AM

So if you think about it, this actually proves God is patient, loving and merciful.


 :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:

This is too funny.

God is so merciful alright. Just look at this as proof.

God would have been just in killing the Canaanites including everyone after seeing the pattern of all the child being born for  the next four generations.
I mean we are told in the Bible that God gave them 400 years to repent. That's a very long time. We are told that the sins of these people have not reach its full measure.


400 years is such a long time. But do you know what's even longer? Eternity. It's a good thing god is so merciful those four generations sinning in a spand of 400 years willing only be doing a short sentence of being torture for all eternity. They were so lucky that they never reached their full measure. Imagine the if they did, their sentence would have been a lot worse. Perhaps being torture for all eternity twice as long? It's a good thing they didn't have any descendants, otherwise they would have been punished the same even if they never had any part of it.

Poor kids. Generation after generation the kids had to suffer because there was nodoby that existed who had the power to stop it right there and then. If only there was someone or something who had the power to rescue those kids.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR5pDXRB6qWGB5Rpd-V3VWJ8dVg_wIAgTnL5HJhWyHa3hDydA)
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: dogmai on May 22, 2018, 03:55:19 AM
That's what you think!

In the Bible, in the book of John, Jesus said "one must be born again".

Jesus was describing the way the Spirit works. You and I can see the effect but we have no way to see wind or to understand it.

Being born again is a miracle of God! I was saved 12 years ago. The Holy Spirit cannot be seen but when He comes on a man there is an effect.

Does the New Age has this kind of power? I doubt it since it's rubbish stuff created by Satan. Satan can only counterfiet what God made and has no power over God.

Hate to deliver the bad news to you, but unfortunately, you were a victim of a counterfeit scheme created by none other than,  you guessed it, Satan. Good con artists will take from you without you realizing it until it is too late. Great con artists will take from you without you realizing it and at the same time, make you feel good about it.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: dogmai on May 22, 2018, 04:15:13 AM
All jokes aside, how did you know that you were saved by god? How did you determined that god saved you that day?
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 22, 2018, 10:39:58 AM
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny:

This is too funny.

God is so merciful alright. Just look at this as proof.

400 years is such a long time. But do you know what's even longer? Eternity. It's a good thing god is so merciful those four generations sinning in a spand of 400 years willing only be doing a short sentence of being torture for all eternity. They were so lucky that they never reached their full measure. Imagine the if they did, their sentence would have been a lot worse. Perhaps being torture for all eternity twice as long? It's a good thing they didn't have any descendants, otherwise they would have been punished the same even if they never had any part of it.

Poor kids. Generation after generation the kids had to suffer because there was nodoby that existed who had the power to stop it right there and then. If only there was someone or something who had the power to rescue those kids.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR5pDXRB6qWGB5Rpd-V3VWJ8dVg_wIAgTnL5HJhWyHa3hDydA)

They've definitely reached their full measure. Genesis 15 explained why. There is a limit to how much sin God would put up. It could have been that the children who were born after their parents turn out to be the same as their forefathers who did not repent. I believe God has no desire to kill them in the first place. This is why over and over in Scripture, God is telling people to repent. God gave them 400 years to repent. But since they didn't, they get wiped.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: DeadbeatDAD on May 22, 2018, 03:04:47 PM
Yeng,
If you really love thr bible so much, hate to break it to you, but ummm...
Many people actyally believe that the god that commanded adam n eve to eat the apple and thr god who order moses to kill and steal are none other than johova or yahwen...
Not kidding...
Christ came later on...
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 22, 2018, 03:39:31 PM
Yeng,
If you really love thr bible so much, hate to break it to you, but ummm...
Many people actyally believe that the god that commanded adam n eve to eat the apple and thr god who order moses to kill and steal are none other than johova or yahwen...
Not kidding...
Christ came later on...

Jesus IS Jehovah or Yahweh!
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: dogmai on May 22, 2018, 08:11:48 PM
They've definitely reached their full measure. Genesis 15 explained why. There is a limit to how much sin God would put up. It could have been that the children who were born after their parents turn out to be the same as their forefathers who did not repent. I believe God has no desire to kill them in the first place. This is why over and over in Scripture, God is telling people to repent. God gave them 400 years to repent. But since they didn't, they get wiped.

So now you're changing your claim to, "they definitely reached their full measure. ", when at first,  you stated yourself that their sins had not reached its full measure. And god did intend on killing them. It says so in scripture. And it could also be that the children never followed in their fathers footsteps,  but more than likely, god killed them because they were their defendants. For, as said many times in scripture, god will  punish those who had ancestors who had sin, regardless of whether or not they themselves sinned.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: Yengimer on May 22, 2018, 10:00:54 PM
So now you're changing your claim to, "they definitely reached their full measure. ", when at first,  you stated yourself that their sins had not reached its full measure. And god did intend on killing them. It says so in scripture. And it could also be that the children never followed in their fathers footsteps,  but more than likely, god killed them because they were their defendants. For, as said many times in scripture, god will  punish those who had ancestors who had sin, regardless of whether or not they themselves sinned.

You said they were lucky they never reached their full measure, but they did, that's why God wiped them out. I took it that God gave them 400 years to repent.

Actually I think God DID spare the babies....for 400 years.  How do I know? Because the babies grow up to do the exact same things.
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: DeadbeatDAD on May 23, 2018, 12:17:42 AM
Jesus IS Jehovah or Yahweh!
Nope.. two different people..
Old testament = devils book
New testament = gods book...
You need some serious research or else enki will come for you..
Title: Re: why we only talk about jesus? what about the other gods?
Post by: dogmai on May 25, 2018, 08:29:25 PM
You said they were lucky they never reached their full measure, but they did, that's why God wiped them out. I took it that God gave them 400 years to repent.

Actually I think God DID spare the babies....for 400 years.  How do I know? Because the babies grow up to do the exact same things.

It was you who said that they never reached their full measure. Wrong, god didn't give them 400 years to repent. He wanted them to have more generation so that he can kill their descendants. It says so in the bible.