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General Category => Debate Central => Topic started by: thePoster on August 24, 2017, 08:42:39 PM
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So anyways, the other day me and some folks was talking about last names...
And this lady said her grand daughter's last name is sooooooooooooo ooo long.....
She said her grand daughter's last name and it was like.. I couldn't even believe it...
I've notice some hmongs are doing that too... keeping their moms and dads last name and their grand dad's and grand ma's first name and some more last names....
I mean... c'mon folks... why limit your dating pool like that!
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So anyways, the other day me and some folks was talking about last names...
And this lady said her grand daughter's last name is sooooooooooooo ooo long.....
She said her grand daughter's last name and it was like.. I couldn't even believe it...
I've notice some hmongs are doing that too... keeping their moms and dads last name and their grand dad's and grand ma's first name and some more last names....
I mean... c'mon folks... why limit your dating pool like that!
Hmong are dumb... trying to make themselves like Laos or Thai.
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It doesn't hurt to preserve one's family's names.
In the past, we didn't know we could do that. So, all we could do was adding our grandfathers or fathers' names to ours just orally. Then back on paper, we would not have them on.
These days, we are able to legally put on paper whatever we want to affiliate with.
Nothing bad and nothing wrong with that.
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It doesn't hurt to preserve one's family's names.
In the past, we didn't know we could do that. So, all we could do was adding our grandfathers or fathers' names to ours just orally. Then back on paper, we would not have them on.
These days, we are able to legally put on paper whatever we want to affiliate with.
Nothing bad and nothing wrong with that.
Depends. Changing someone's name doesn't change their DNA. Even some of our ancestors understood the need for genetic diversity at the most basic level. Legally you may find it works. But Science trumps Law in this case.
Isn't there a folklore about how the Kue clan came about? 2 individuals with the same last names (Thao?) were in love and he changed his last name to Kue. And to this date Thao's can't marry Kue's?
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I thought it was mainly the Moua folks that do that to distinguish themselves from their peers?
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So anyways, the other day me and some folks was talking about last names...
And this lady said her grand daughter's last name is sooooooooooooo ooo long.....
She said her grand daughter's last name and it was like.. I couldn't even believe it...
I've notice some hmongs are doing that too... keeping their moms and dads last name and their grand dad's and grand ma's first name and some more last names....
I mean... c'mon folks... why limit your dating pool like that!
Depends. Traditionally, last names are only passed on through the men of the family as the wife will take the husband's family's last name.
Besides, you're already limiting your dating pool by dating within the Hmong community to begin with.
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I thought it was mainly the Moua folks that do that to distinguish themselves from their peers?
I've seen immediate family do it. They've legally changed their last names to names of an ancestor/progenitor.
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Those who change are keeping the original last name in those syllables. For example, a Yajtxawjpov is a Yang; a Muaszebtsua is a Moua, a Xyoojtawdais is a Xiong, a Lortsomtom is a Lor/Lo still.
Depends. Changing someone's name doesn't change their DNA. Even some of our ancestors understood the need for genetic diversity at the most basic level. Legally you may find it works. But Science trumps Law in this case.
Isn't there a folklore about how the Kue clan came about? 2 individuals with the same last names (Thao?) were in love and he changed his last name to Kue. And to this date Thao's can't marry Kue's?
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Those who change are keeping the original last name in those syllables. For example, a Yajtxawjpov is a Yang; a Muaszebtsua is a Moua, a Xyoojtawdais is a Xiong, a Lortsomtom is a Lor/Lo still.
I think those who do it are being silly, but that's just me. I guess, this is one way to resolve that same last name don't get married issue that's been plaguing our youth.
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If I change my last name to nou yang, they be like......too much of that Hmong Kool laid for this kid.
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Those who change are keeping the original last name in those syllables. For example, a Yajtxawjpov is a Yang; a Muaszebtsua is a Moua, a Xyoojtawdais is a Xiong, a Lortsomtom is a Lor/Lo still.
I have relatives who have completely changed their family names. They've taken an ancestor's first name and have replaced their family name with it. They were first cousins but now are Youasee because that was the ancestor's name. I was told it was done to honor him. But who knows :dontknow:
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What ever floats their boat, I guess. But the general public don't care, they still prefer simple first and last names. I think if people truly want to show and honor their ancestors, people should create a family tree instead of incorporating their ancestors names into theirs. It's just stupid and silly, especially when your last name is up to 5-10 names and growing down the road.
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It's like "Oh, we can date because you're a Moua and I'm a Mouanoutua". O0
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It's like "Oh, we can date because you're a Moua and I'm a Mouanoutua". O0
No, you're still a Moua and after the moua identifies the family you're from, i.e father's name. So, I would be a YangPajnou..ex ample.
I don't mind a minor changes like the example you have but drastic changes to where I can't figure out the last name - Ex: Xiong to Zhong.
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It shouldn't really bother anyone. If anything, all Hmong-American people should come together and agree that we should all take a European first name if you don't have one, and change our last name spelling to better reflect what our surnames really sound like, as well as making pronunciation easier for non-Hmong people.
For example, Yang? Why not change it to "Ya"? Why not change the writing of Moua to Mua (which I have seen, like Yia "the Bull" Mua, RIP).
"Hi, I'd like to speak to (looks at paper)...Chris Ya, please." Certainly much easier for a non-Hmong, rather than to fumble with calling to speak with Toua Xiong. "Hi I'd like to speak to...Tow, Tow-a, Zi....ong?" And that would actually be commendable if a white or black person nailed it the first time. Most likely, it would come out something silly like "Too Shing" or "Tao Shine".
Bottom line is, your surname is written in Romanized form as best as the social workers and government could when they were getting ready to ship Hmong refugees over there. The fact that you would change your legal last name shouldn't mean anything. Even if someone decides to completely remove their surname so that it no longer includes a 18 clan surname, big deal. Maybe they don't want to associate with their clan any longer. Maybe they don't want to be tied down by ideas that if you're a clan name, you are bound by anything and everything any person of that last name does - Chai Vang, anyone? I can guarantee almost any white person sees that Vang surname, they ARE thinking if you are related to Chai Vang the cold blooded murder may god have mercy on his soul.
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People have their reasons for changing their names. Many immigrants did so when they first landed on Ellis Island many decades ago. There's no right or wrong reasons. But, I personally wouldn't change my name for just some trivial reasons. If The German Pfeiffer's, the Norwegian Bjorn's and the Thai Thannasasasopr et's can live with their names, so can the Hmong Thao's, Yang's, Vang's and etc.
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It shouldn't really bother anyone. If anything, all Hmong-American people should come together and agree that we should all take a European first name if you don't have one, and change our last name spelling to better reflect what our surnames really sound like, as well as making pronunciation easier for non-Hmong people.
For example, Yang? Why not change it to "Ya"? Why not change the writing of Moua to Mua (which I have seen, like Yia "the Bull" Mua, RIP).
"Hi, I'd like to speak to (looks at paper)...Chris Ya, please." Certainly much easier for a non-Hmong, rather than to fumble with calling to speak with Toua Xiong. "Hi I'd like to speak to...Tow, Tow-a, Zi....ong?" And that would actually be commendable if a white or black person nailed it the first time. Most likely, it would come out something silly like "Too Shing" or "Tao Shine".
Bottom line is, your surname is written in Romanized form as best as the social workers and government could when they were getting ready to ship Hmong refugees over there. The fact that you would change your legal last name shouldn't mean anything. Even if someone decides to completely remove their surname so that it no longer includes a 18 clan surname, big deal. Maybe they don't want to associate with their clan any longer. Maybe they don't want to be tied down by ideas that if you're a clan name, you are bound by anything and everything any person of that last name does - Chai Vang, anyone? I can guarantee almost any white person sees that Vang surname, they ARE thinking if you are related to Chai Vang the cold blooded murder may god have mercy on his soul.
Well, you know.. Some people wanna be as white (or European) as possible, while others still cherish their identity.
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People have their reasons for changing their names. Many immigrants did so when they first landed on Ellis Island many decades ago. There's no right or wrong reasons. But, I personally wouldn't change my name for just some trivial reasons. If The German Pfeiffer's, the Norwegian Bjorn's and the Thai Thannasasasopr et's can live with their names, so can the Hmong Thao's, Yang's, Vang's and etc.
Currently this is my last name, Chevapravatdum rongLouangsays onkhamsoukha ;D I'm thinking about shorten it to Che :D
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Well, you know.. Some people wanna be as white (or European) as possible, while others still cherish their identity.
So I wasn't the only one that caught that ???
I was like, conformnity, pft. I'm not going to change my name just to sound more "European".
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Some of us has passed that stage. Others are still exploring it. Each person is at a different stage in life. Results may vary.
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Currently this is my last name, ChevapravatdumrongLouangsaysonkhamsoukha ;D I'm thinking about shorten it to Che :D
I would have gone with Ronglou ;D
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I like Cheva better.
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It shouldn't really bother anyone. If anything, all Hmong-American people should come together and agree that we should all take a European first name if you don't have one, and change our last name spelling to better reflect what our surnames really sound like, as well as making pronunciation easier for non-Hmong people.
For example, Yang? Why not change it to "Ya"? Why not change the writing of Moua to Mua (which I have seen, like Yia "the Bull" Mua, RIP).
"Hi, I'd like to speak to (looks at paper)...Chris Ya, please." Certainly much easier for a non-Hmong, rather than to fumble with calling to speak with Toua Xiong. "Hi I'd like to speak to...Tow, Tow-a, Zi....ong?" And that would actually be commendable if a white or black person nailed it the first time. Most likely, it would come out something silly like "Too Shing" or "Tao Shine".
Bottom line is, your surname is written in Romanized form as best as the social workers and government could when they were getting ready to ship Hmong refugees over there. The fact that you would change your legal last name shouldn't mean anything. Even if someone decides to completely remove their surname so that it no longer includes a 18 clan surname, big deal. Maybe they don't want to associate with their clan any longer. Maybe they don't want to be tied down by ideas that if you're a clan name, you are bound by anything and everything any person of that last name does - Chai Vang, anyone? I can guarantee almost any white person sees that Vang surname, they ARE thinking if you are related to Chai Vang the cold blooded murder may god have mercy on his soul.
Other than the point about standardizing the last names spelling,,, wow, everything else, especially the part about dropping hmong names and taking up english/american names (so that a black or white can relate to and pronounce easier) is just terrible. Just wow. What the heck is going on in your head that made you suggest such stupidity.
Your european name is probably Thomas, short form Tom, taken from uncle Tom.
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Other than the point about standardizing the last names spelling,,, wow, everything else, especially the part about dropping hmong names and taking up english/american names (so that a black or white can relate to and pronounce easier) is just terrible. Just wow. What the heck is going on in your head that made you suggest such stupidity.
Your european name is probably Thomas, short form Tom, taken from uncle Tom.
First of all, I don't have an English/European name because I was born in the early 1980s and I grew up in St, Paul McDonough Homes project late 1980s era so English birth names weren't common yet. Secondly, nearly every Hmong old person I know who has gotten their US citizenship has taken up a legal English name. Does that mean they are less Hmong or they are stupid? Ok, so according to your logic, there are tons of dumb Hmong old folks for legally changing their name because their npe laus would be insanely ridiculous on their driver's license and legal paper work.
Assuming Yeeb Kong is your real name, how many of your friends actually call you according to the Hmong pronunciation "Yeeb Koob"? I bet not too many. I bet the majority of them calls you "Yeng Kong", the Anglicized form. I guess Samuel L. Jackson, the actor, must be a dumb idiot because his name isn't according to his African Tribe.
Ok, I'll stop here so I don't make you appear more of an idiot than you already have yourself.
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First of all, I don't have an English/European name because I was born in the early 1980s and I grew up in St, Paul McDonough Homes project late 1980s era so English birth names weren't common yet. Secondly, nearly every Hmong old person I know who has gotten their US citizenship has taken up a legal English name. Does that mean they are less Hmong or they are stupid? Ok, so according to your logic, there are tons of dumb Hmong old folks for legally changing their name because their npe laus would be insanely ridiculous on their driver's license and legal paper work.
Assuming Yeeb Kong is your real name, how many of your friends actually call you according to the Hmong pronunciation "Yeeb Koob"? I bet not too many. I bet the majority of them calls you "Yeng Kong", the Anglicized form. I guess Samuel L. Jackson, the actor, must be a dumb idiot because his name isn't according to his African Tribe.
Ok, I'll stop here so I don't make you appear more of an idiot than you already have yourself.
1) You don't know the term "npe laus" and have it confused for something else, like perhaps npe hmoob or npe qub.
2) and nearly "every old hmong" you know who have american citizenships have legally changed their names to an american/english/euro? I call major BS on your part here. Either that or your circle of people consists of 2-3 people only.
3) whether or not whites, blacks, others can pronounce my name accurately, the point is that my name is still my name (hmong name) and they still have to try saying it. I'm not changing it to an american, english, euro, other just because, a) to make it convenient for their tongues, b) embarrassed or ashamed of my identity (which includes names), c) insecure of myself and have to conform.
4) You suggest all hmong should take up american/eng/euro names, but you yourself don't have one? Hard to believe here. Maybe you don't have a legal non-hmong name, but your nick or the name used at work probably is.
5) those hmong who have changed their names are likely insecure, ignorant, or for some other reasons think they may assimilate in and find jobs easier, etc, but at least they did so on a personal basis, small scale. You on the other hand suggest for all hmong to do so. That takes it to a different level of stupid.
Have some pride, have some balls, and be proud of your heritage. Nowadays Asia is rising. Look at the big picture. Whites/americans/others are having to learn different languages. You don't have to be afraid or embarrassed anymore.
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This guy is something thinking he can patronize me. Don't tell me how I need to feel about social issues or imply that I'm Uncle Tom. I put where I grew up - I grew up in the mid 80s on the 15xx block of Klainert Street in St. Paul McDonough projects. I'm not telling you this to show that I'm hot stuff, that I'm the true Hmong prince or whatever. That's you, you think you're hot Hmong boy. I'm saying this to show you that I was never embarrassed of my upbringing and growing up surrounded by Hmong people. If I was embarrassed of being Hmong, why would I tell the whole forum that I grew up in the projects with 100s of other Hmong families taking it day by day? So what zip code and neighborhood did you grow up in? Probably some suburb and had a comfy child seat in a Toyota 4Runner. Or maybe some 2,000 sq ft single family home. Take a seat before you hurt yourself. I bet when you meet Hmong people in public who don't fit your standard, you get real quiet. So don't act like you're vigilante Hmong purity soldier.
You are just like those bitter white people who are mad that I have a Hmong name, I look Asian as shiit, I eat more rice than you I bet, and yet I am an American citizen just like they are. You are bitter that Hmong people who become Christians, branch out of their clans, or choose not to participate in the Hmong community, still have pride and are still as Hmong as you are.
Deal with it. Take some yoga or breathing classes. You need to watch that blood pressure and stress.
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1) You don't know the term "npe laus" and have it confused for something else, like perhaps npe hmoob or npe qub.
2) and nearly "every old hmong" you know who have american citizenships have legally changed their names to an american/english/euro? I call major BS on your part here. Either that or your circle of people consists of 2-3 people only.
3) whether or not whites, blacks, others can pronounce my name accurately, the point is that my name is still my name (hmong name) and they still have to try saying it. I'm not changing it to an american, english, euro, other just because, a) to make it convenient for their tongues, b) embarrassed or ashamed of my identity (which includes names), c) insecure of myself and have to conform.
4) You suggest all hmong should take up american/eng/euro names, but you yourself don't have one? Hard to believe here. Maybe you don't have a legal non-hmong name, but your nick or the name used at work probably is.
5) those hmong who have changed their names are likely insecure, ignorant, or for some other reasons think they may assimilate in and find jobs easier, etc, but at least they did so on a personal basis, small scale. You on the other hand suggest for all hmong to do so. That takes it to a different level of stupid.
Have some pride, have some balls, and be proud of your heritage. Nowadays Asia is rising. Look at the big picture. Whites/americans/others are having to learn different languages. You don't have to be afraid or embarrassed anymore.
hung too is like the one black guy at trump rallies. :2funny: :idiot2:
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hung too is like the one black guy at trump rallies. :2funny: :idiot2:
At least YANG KONG stayed on subject. Don't you have an ugly tattoo to go get or something? Wow, that's not very Hmong-like. How can you call yourself a Hmong when historically, Hmong people associate tattoos with deviant behavior? Very interesting that you and Yang Kong get to decide what is Hmong and who is and who isn't Hmong enough.
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At least YANG KONG stayed on subject. Don't you have an ugly tattoo to go get or something? Wow, that's not very Hmong-like. How can you call yourself a Hmong when historically, Hmong people associate tattoos with deviant behavior? Very interesting that you and Yang Kong get to decide what is Hmong and who is and who isn't Hmong enough.
don't get mad at me cause you don't want to be hmong :2funny: :idiot2:
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This guy is something thinking he can patronize me. Don't tell me how I need to feel about social issues or imply that I'm Uncle Tom. I put where I grew up - I grew up in the mid 80s on the 15xx block of Klainert Street in St. Paul McDonough projects. I'm not telling you this to show that I'm hot stuff, that I'm the true Hmong prince or whatever. That's you, you think you're hot Hmong boy. I'm saying this to show you that I was never embarrassed of my upbringing and growing up surrounded by Hmong people. If I was embarrassed of being Hmong, why would I tell the whole forum that I grew up in the projects with 100s of other Hmong families taking it day by day? So what zip code and neighborhood did you grow up in? Probably some suburb and had a comfy child seat in a Toyota 4Runner. Or maybe some 2,000 sq ft single family home. Take a seat before you hurt yourself. I bet when you meet Hmong people in public who don't fit your standard, you get real quiet. So don't act like you're vigilante Hmong purity soldier.
You are just like those bitter white people who are mad that I have a Hmong name, I look Asian as shiit, I eat more rice than you I bet, and yet I am an American citizen just like they are. You are bitter that Hmong people who become Christians, branch out of their clans, or choose not to participate in the Hmong community, still have pride and are still as Hmong as you are.
Deal with it. Take some yoga or breathing classes. You need to watch that blood pressure and stress.
That was weak, Thomas.
If you aren't embarrassed then why do you want to change your name for (and justifying it with your Sept 13th post)?
On many subjects all you're concerned about is "saving face" or being embarrassed that Hmong are bringing you down along with them, such as the Cai Vaj subject, because you assume they are ignorant, when in fact it's your Uncle Tom position which blinds you.
Still waiting for your definition of ethnicity (in a different thread, but similar subject, from months back) in which you ran off from when you realized you were going to look bad.
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This guy is something thinking he can patronize me. Don't tell me how I need to feel about social issues or imply that I'm Uncle Tom. I put where I grew up - I grew up in the mid 80s on the 15xx block of Klainert Street in St. Paul McDonough projects. I'm not telling you this to show that I'm hot stuff, that I'm the true Hmong prince or whatever. That's you, you think you're hot Hmong boy. I'm saying this to show you that I was never embarrassed of my upbringing and growing up surrounded by Hmong people. If I was embarrassed of being Hmong, why would I tell the whole forum that I grew up in the projects with 100s of other Hmong families taking it day by day? So what zip code and neighborhood did you grow up in? Probably some suburb and had a comfy child seat in a Toyota 4Runner. Or maybe some 2,000 sq ft single family home. Take a seat before you hurt yourself. I bet when you meet Hmong people in public who don't fit your standard, you get real quiet. So don't act like you're vigilante Hmong purity soldier.
You are just like those bitter white people who are mad that I have a Hmong name, I look Asian as shiit, I eat more rice than you I bet, and yet I am an American citizen just like they are. You are bitter that Hmong people who become Christians, branch out of their clans, or choose not to participate in the Hmong community, still have pride and are still as Hmong as you are.
Deal with it. Take some yoga or breathing classes. You need to watch that blood pressure and stress.
A donkey calling himself a horse, doesn't make him a horse. He may be somewhat related, but no longer is. In your case, you might have devolved even farther than the donkey stage, as you don't even want to have and share Hmong cultural qualities.
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A donkey calling himself a horse, doesn't make him a horse. He may be somewhat related, but no longer is. In your case, you might have devolved even farther than the donkey stage, as you don't even want to have and share Hmong cultural qualities.
Exactly. You got it, kiddo. The whole reason behind why you are so butt hurt over my suggestion of adopting a European name is because you think your standards are higher and you get to decide what's Hmong and who is Hmong. I never said anything about getting rid of Hmong culture or removing our Hmong names and replacing it with English name. All I suggested was that we adopt an English name. And then, the butt hurt came lol. The bottom line is, you are mad that other Hmong people are just as Hmong as you are and you simply are insecure with your identity. Like I said, you are bitter like those white folks who think wearing an American flag t shirt or buying American products makes you more American than other Americans. You are bitter and sad that another Hmong person with no Hmong name, cannot speak Hmong, does not eat rice and green mustard, does not one a single Hmong clothing article, has as much Hmong blood as you do. And it makes you boil, doesn't it?
Go to any Hmong gathering or big event like the Hmong New Year - half the young people have English birth names and some don't even have any Hmong name. You must be one of those morons who sit in the corner thinking you're Hmong boy hot stuff? Go find a hobby. Like I said, go do yoga or something before you die of high blood pressure.
I highly doubt you can out speak Richard Wanglue, the Hmong news reporter. According to your logic, since we all know he's OG and he wasn't born "Richard" and adopted that name, he must be an Uncle Tom. Richard Wanglue would run circles around 99% of any OG Hmong person when it comes to speaking the Hmong language. Oh, but he's uncle Tom because he adopted an English name. And so according to your logic, since you can't speak Hmong proficiently, you are not Hmong. Or does that only apply to others?
And the thing with ethnicity, ethnicity isn't loosely defined. If you're parents are both Irish, you are Irish. You are not English. If your mom is Thai and your dad is Hmong, you are half Hmong, half Thai. If your great grandmother was Polish, you are 1/8 Polish and 7/8 Hmong. You do not become more Hmong or less Hmong based on how often you attend Hmong gatherings and how much you delve into Hmong culture, and how much Hmong you speak.
If you can't understand this simple definition of ethnicity, then I guess I'll be half Hmong, half Super Saiyan. Moron.
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Exactly. You got it, kiddo. The whole reason behind why you are so butt hurt over my suggestion of adopting a European name is because you think your standards are higher and you get to decide what's Hmong and who is Hmong. I never said anything about getting rid of Hmong culture or removing our Hmong names and replacing it with English name. All I suggested was that we adopt an English name. And then, the butt hurt came lol. The bottom line is, you are mad that other Hmong people are just as Hmong as you are and you simply are insecure with your identity. Like I said, you are bitter like those white folks who think wearing an American flag t shirt or buying American products makes you more American than other Americans. You are bitter and sad that another Hmong person with no Hmong name, cannot speak Hmong, does not eat rice and green mustard, does not one a single Hmong clothing article, has as much Hmong blood as you do. And it makes you boil, doesn't it?
Go to any Hmong gathering or big event like the Hmong New Year - half the young people have English birth names and some don't even have any Hmong name. You must be one of those morons who sit in the corner thinking you're Hmong boy hot stuff? Go find a hobby. Like I said, go do yoga or something before you die of high blood pressure.
I highly doubt you can out speak Richard Wanglue, the Hmong news reporter. According to your logic, since we all know he's OG and he wasn't born "Richard" and adopted that name, he must be an Uncle Tom. Richard Wanglue would run circles around 99% of any OG Hmong person when it comes to speaking the Hmong language. Oh, but he's uncle Tom because he adopted an English name. And so according to your logic, since you can't speak Hmong proficiently, you are not Hmong. Or does that only apply to others?
And the thing with ethnicity, ethnicity isn't loosely defined. If you're parents are both Irish, you are Irish. You are not English. If your mom is Thai and your dad is Hmong, you are half Hmong, half Thai. If your great grandmother was Polish, you are 1/8 Polish and 7/8 Hmong. You do not become more Hmong or less Hmong based on how often you attend Hmong gatherings and how much you delve into Hmong culture, and how much Hmong you speak.
If you can't understand this simple definition of ethnicity, then I guess I'll be half Hmong, half Super Saiyan. Moron.
The issue isn't who but why? You suggested changing family names due to the difficulty others might have with pronouncing it. Some individuals have strong ties to their name or family names. The justification would then seem pretty trivial to those individuals.
I, for one, would not change it for that specific reason. It's less an attachment to my race/ethnicity/etc and more an issue of how impractical it would be. But everyone's entitled to their own opinion so it might be pointless to argue.
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Thomas, it seems you need the blood pressure pill with that angry, as well as off the mark thus useless, post up above instead. You always have a habit of prematurely celebrating,,, until the fall. Then you go mute and run.
1) You were suppose to define the term/word ETHNICITY itself. What qualities, features, and attributes does it contain, etc. Duh. Then we can go on from there. If you don't remember anymore then go read the other thread in which you ran off from.
2) I called you out on your original post (from this thread) because of your Uncle Tom ways. I already explained it in the 2nd reply to you. Others have seen it. One person gave my post a like +1. I was spot on, and you know it.
Answer part 1 and we can continue.
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Thomas, it seems you need the blood pressure pill with that angry, as well as off the mark thus useless, post up above instead. You always have a habit of prematurely celebrating,,, until the fall. Then you go mute and run.
1) You were suppose to define the term/word ETHNICITY itself. What qualities, features, and attributes does it contain, etc. Duh. Then we can go on from there. If you don't remember anymore then go read the other thread in which you ran off from.
2) I called you out on your original post (from this thread) because of your Uncle Tom ways. I already explained it in the 2nd reply to you. Others have seen it. One person gave my post a like +1. I was spot on, and you know it.
Answer part 1 and we can continue.
Ethnicity: a group that shares a common culture traits, moreso ancestral bloodline
If your parents are Hmong and you were given up for adoption right at birth, never heard or spoke a Hmong word, never knew Hmong culture, you are still ethnically 100% Hmong. You don't lose ethnicity points based on how many jingle bells shaman ooga booga black magic events you've attended or how many bowls of rice you have eaten. What now? You're going to tell me that I'm wrong? Please tell me how many ethnicity cookie points I get for eating Hmong squirrel soup since it's hunting season.
You are sounding like Rachel Dolezal right now. "Are you African-American?" "...I don't know what you are implying...I don't understand the question."
https://youtu.be/_7Gb9kK8HGk
Ooooowwww, someone gave you a +1! Bravo! That proves nothing. This isn't a popularity upvote contest. It's like saying I'm more relevant as a PH because even though you and I have almost the same numbers of posts, you have +7 respect and I have +60. It means nothing.
As we all know, the ones who lose a debate and cry "You's an Uncle Tom!", just like within the black community, are the dumbest individuals. Because you can't come up with anything to counter my argument. :2funny: Good one, Yang Kong.
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Don't get ahead of yourself yet, Thomas.
Let's leave your "ancestral blood line" argument/definition as the most salient aspect of ethnicity out temporarily for a bit. I will come back to address it a little later on.
Since you said ethnicity has cultural aspects to it, then now find the dictionary definition of culture. List elements, qualities, etc which are parts and parcels of it... I will help you out a bit. Most, if not all dictionaries, will list it encompassing things like language, art, religion, etc.
Just so we are on the same page. Now define Hmong. What qualities make a person Hmong?... Don't start talking about "hmong blood this, hmong parent that therefore hmong always, etc" until you define exactly what being Hmong entails first.
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Yah or Yaj and Yang or even just Ya have been at it.
So, have Lee and Ly.
Some Xiongs have done Xiongs as well.
And the elders say Fangs shouldn't date or marry Vangs or that Phas shouldn't marry Los or Lors. Hm...
It's like "Oh, we can date because you're a Moua and I'm a Mouanoutua". O0
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Don't get ahead of yourself yet, Thomas.
Let's leave your "ancestral blood line" argument/definition as the most salient aspect of ethnicity out temporarily for a bit. I will come back to address it a little later on.
Since you said ethnicity has cultural aspects to it, then now find the dictionary definition of culture. List elements, qualities, etc which are parts and parcels of it... I will help you out a bit. Most, if not all dictionaries, will list it encompassing things like language, art, religion, etc.
Just so we are on the same page. Now define Hmong. What qualities make a person Hmong?... Don't start talking about "hmong blood this, hmong parent that therefore hmong always, etc" until you define exactly what being Hmong entails first.
So let's say you work with a Cambodian dude - his mom is Cambodian, his dad is Cambodian, his grandparents, and everyone beyond, to his knowledge, are all Cambodian. But your friend doesn't speak more than three words of Cambodian because he grew up in an all-white zip code, doesn't have any Khmer friends, he eats oatmeal for breakfast, sandwiches for lunch, and steak and potatoes for dinner, doesn't attend any Buddhist or Khmer cultural event.
So another person comes up to you one day and asks "Hey, you are Asian right? So what's your ethnicity?" You say "Hmong." So then they ask "Hey what's your buddies ethnicity? He looks like a Laotian, Karenni (Burmese ethnic group), or dark skin Thai. So what exactly is he?"
So what would you say? "Oh, he's partial Cambodian, the rest is Uncle Tom."? Or "his blood is Cambodian, but he's not really Cambodian, know what I mean?"?! Or "He's Cambodian by day, Batman by night!" :D He sure as hell ain't fukkken white! If that's what you're implying. He sure as hell ain't American ethnic, because American is a national/citizenship status, not an ethnicity or race.
So is an Irish-American whose family has been in America for since the big immigration in the 1800s, everyone in their family is married to full blooded Irish, but doesn't speak one word of Irish, doesn't eat any Irish food, doesn't have an Irish clothes, are they partial Irish? Half Irish? Somewhat Irish? Maybe Irish? So if they are not full Irish, what's the other half? Dragon blood? American blood? Super Saiyan? LOL
You are an idiot. You still think that you can define the ethnicity of a person based on what kind of lifestyle and culture they live, what kind of name they have, and how many cups of rice they eat in a day. :2funny:
You are just bitter. You look in the mirror, you see a Hmong person with broken English, also broken Hmong language, wearing skinny jeans and American Eagle shirt or whatever the hell you idiots are wearing these days, and you can't come to terms with your identity. And then in order to make yourself not feel insecure, you look at yourself at the ideal model Hmong person. And then to reinforce this idea, you talk and look down on others who aren't up to your supposedly godly standards of what makes a Hmong, a "Hmong". When in fact, compared to a Hmong-Lao or Hmong-Thai, you're nothing but an American-washed Asian who is barely Asian other than the fact that you eat rice. In other words, you just can't come to terms with who you are, without needing the approval and acceptance of others. It sounds like you were brought up by strict parents or strict Hmong culture and shaman religion. It sounds like you really need to get laid. lol Honestly, that's what it sounds like. Take a chill pill man. You're still Hmong underneath that Hmong-American complex. You're still Hmong even though you jam to Skrillex or whatever hell garbage music you listen to.
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So let's say you work with a Cambodian dude - his mom is Cambodian, his dad is Cambodian, his grandparents, and everyone beyond, to his knowledge, are all Cambodian. But your friend doesn't speak more than three words of Cambodian because he grew up in an all-white zip code, doesn't have any Khmer friends, he eats oatmeal for breakfast, sandwiches for lunch, and steak and potatoes for dinner, doesn't attend any Buddhist or Khmer cultural event.
this is what people in here are trying to tell you. no matter what you do you will never be white. duh. :2funny:
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this is what people in here are trying to tell you. no matter what you do you will never be white. duh. :2funny:
Exactly! I can't agree more. Vice versa, no matter what you do, you can't un-Hmong yourself. Even if you change your name, if you don't eat rice, you don't speak Hmong, you don't do ooga booga shaman stuff, you are still Hmong. :2funny: Yang Kong and "can" do not have the judge's gavel on who is Hmong and who isn't Hmong. Like I said, you look in the mirror and you don't have the confidence to come to terms with your own identity so you try to pass yourself as the model standard (as pathetic as it sounds). And you use this low standard to judge others to make yourself feel nice about yourself.
Tell me something I don't know. And please use more brain cells than the amount of letters in your name. Do you even read beyond the first paragraph? Do you know what a paragraph is? You just reiterated what I stated below in the same damn post. Must be a late millennial who doesn't have the attention span to get beyond the first paragraph.
So what would you say? "Oh, he's partial Cambodian, the rest is Uncle Tom."? Or "his blood is Cambodian, but he's not really Cambodian, know what I mean?"?! Or "He's Cambodian by day, Batman by night!" :D He sure as hell ain't fukkken white! If that's what you're implying. He sure as hell ain't American ethnic, because American is a national/citizenship status, not an ethnicity or race.
So is an Irish-American whose family has been in America for since the big immigration in the 1800s, everyone in their family is married to full blooded Irish, but doesn't speak one word of Irish, doesn't eat any Irish food, doesn't have an Irish clothes, are they partial Irish? Half Irish? Somewhat Irish? Maybe Irish? So if they are not full Irish, what's the other half? Dragon blood? American blood? Super Saiyan? LOL
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Exactly! I can't agree more.
you agree and yet you're trying so hard to be white :idiot2: :2funny:
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you agree and yet you're trying so hard to be white :idiot2: :2funny:
Now this chit is funny.
Even when a kong vang tabooed by fawking cousin Corey vang you still hahmong too.
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You're so far off the psycho analysis, Thomas. I'm actually into classic rock, an Elvis fan, and listen to almost anything and everything which pleases my ears, but have never heard of skillex or whatever band you named. My parents weren't any more strict than the average Hmong standard. They taught us to be dutiful however, as we come from a line of military family going way back into the Minority Rebellion against the Chinese in the 1800's.
You trying to be clever just makes you look like a lite Vizzini (from The Princess Bride, 1987 movie); a guy who thinks he's very intelligent but is actually just a blathering twat. And you probably look similar to him as well, lol.
Again define Hmong, which you didn't do, so we are on the same page here. Quit wasting time and using distractions to evade.
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Also Thomas,
1) if blood line is the most salient and/or end all and be all of what determines ethnicity then how do you explain Lao, Kmu (Pubthawj) and Thai kids who were adopted into Hmong families? Over the years they have culturally blended in, like speaking the language, taking up names, follow other traditions and even religion... And what about their kids, and successive generations, etc... So in your view/model, are they Hmong or not?
2) have you seen the "Hmong DNA" chart? Now I'm no geneticist but looking at it, it's a hodgepodge of a bunch of Asian DNA's mixed together.
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2) have you seen the "Hmong DNA" chart? Now I'm no geneticist but looking at it, it's a hodgepodge of a bunch of Asian DNA's mixed together.
EXACTLY! I agree, there is no pure race and/or ethnicity. That's why it's okay if your name is not Tou Thao, you're still who you are even if it's Dave Hingle McCringleberry Johnson. It's elitist thinking to believe there is a pure white race as white supremacists believe. Every modern homo sapien has at least some small percentage of gene that can be traced to African origin. Even the South American rain forest natives who are the LAST remaining groups of people who have been secluded from the outside world for the past few centuries do not have "pure" native blood. This is exactly my stance on any subject pertaining to culture and race. In essence, there is no true Hmong with pure genes. But ethnicity serves a purpose to describe your ancestry so that we can say that guy is German, that guy is half Irish half English, that guy is Laotian, that guy is one-eighth Polish, etc. It just makes things easier. When people talk to each other on the streets, it isn't Human Biology 101, political correctness and microagression, and it's not a www.ancestry.com (http://www.ancestry.com) results summary. People just want to know what is your ethnicity. That's why Yang Kong and "can" would say "Hi nice to meet you. I'm Hmong." and not going into a snooze fest about human genetics. Who the hell does that to a stranger. That's not how people talk in daily life.
So really, why would it matter if your name is Yang Kong or if your parents had named you or you adopted an English name?
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Your argument just helped solidify my case. LOL if only life was always this simple.
Like I said, you look in the mirror and you are either unhappy, insecure, or hate the person you see. Not completely Hmong (since according to you, it's culture and not ancestry that determines who you are), not fully accepted by America, you still do ooga booga shaman and you're not quite sure if that's the salvation you seek, and in order to make yourself not feel so little, you puff yourself up as the model Hmong person and you judge others to make yourself feel good about your little life. You then tell me you also have other Asian blood. And yet, you say pure Hmong people don't go to church or change their names. So which is it? You're confused. It's okay, you are still who you are and no one can take that away from you. Don't be scared, little child.
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EXACTLY! I agree, there is no pure race and/or ethnicity. That's why it's okay if your name is not Tou Thao, you're still who you are even if it's Dave Hingle McCringleberry Johnson. It's elitist thinking to believe there is a pure white race as white supremacists believe. Every modern homo sapien has at least some small percentage of gene that can be traced to African origin. Even the South American rain forest natives who are the LAST remaining groups of people who have been secluded from the outside world for the past few centuries do not have "pure" native blood. This is exactly my stance on any subject pertaining to culture and race. In essence, there is no true Hmong with pure genes. But ethnicity serves a purpose to describe your ancestry so that we can say that guy is German, that guy is half Irish half English, that guy is Laotian, that guy is one-eighth Polish, etc. It just makes things easier. When people talk to each other on the streets, it isn't Human Biology 101, political correctness and microagression, and it's not a www.ancestry.com (http://www.ancestry.com) results summary. People just want to know what is your ethnicity. That's why Yang Kong and "can" would say "Hi nice to meet you. I'm Hmong." and not going into a snooze fest about human genetics. Who the hell does that to a stranger. That's not how people talk in daily life.
So really, why would it matter if your name is Yang Kong or if your parents had named you or you adopted an English name?
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Your argument just helped solidify my case. LOL if only life was always this simple.
Like I said, you look in the mirror and you are either unhappy, insecure, or hate the person you see. Not completely Hmong (since according to you, it's culture and not ancestry that determines who you are), not fully accepted by America, you still do ooga booga shaman and you're not quite sure if that's the salvation you seek, and in order to make yourself not feel so little, you puff yourself up as the model Hmong person and you judge others to make yourself feel good about your little life. You then tell me you also have other Asian blood. And yet, you say pure Hmong people don't go to church or change their names. So which is it? You're confused. It's okay, you are still who you are and no one can take that away from you. Don't be scared, little child.
In the words of Antoine Dodson, "You are so dumb. You are really dumb, for real."
Thomas you are so stupid you can't even see how stupid you are. I'm going to let you digest and stew over this statement for a bit before I show it to you.
And the heck is writing my user name as Yang Kong suppose to show or do? I'm not even offended by it. I'm just perplexed by what you're even trying to achieve here. You're weird. The audience is likely wondering the same thing... At least when I call you Thomas aka Uncle Tom, the audience understands it completely.
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In the words of Antoine Dodson, "You are so dumb. You are really dumb, for real."
Thomas you are so stupid you can't even see how stupid you are. I'm going to let you digest and stew over this statement for a bit before I show it to you.
And the heck is writing my user name as Yang Kong suppose to show or do? I'm not even offended by it. I'm just perplexed by what you're even trying to achieve here. You're weird. The audience is likely wondering the same thing... At least when I call you Thomas aka Uncle Tom, the audience understands it completely.
hung is samuel jackson in Django :idiot2:
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I was doing a diversity presentation at a middle school, and I told the kids that our skins can't be changed.
"Michael Jackson changed his," one little boy said from the group. :2funny:
this is what people in here are trying to tell you. no matter what you do you will never be white. duh. :2funny:
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Some groups add their ancestral grandfather's name to distinguish themselves apart from the other groups that share the same clan surname. Sometimes they do this to separate themselves from a group that is attached to a negative reputation.
For example, just look at the Vue curse. Every Vue will say they aren't that particular group but how do we know? Without a way to distinguish the different Vue groups some clans just simply choose not to marry into that clan surname.
Of course, if you happen to have one of these elaborate clan names and someone does something really bad, you are forever tied to it. Unless you drop that part and just use the plain surname to blend in.