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News & Announcements => News Headlines => Hmong News => Topic started by: fOrEvEr_sUn_76 on May 03, 2015, 04:00:35 PM
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According to the Pioneer Press, a 27-year old St. Paul man was drown after his canoe which he rode with his two other friends were overturned at 11:46 am Sunday morning on Twin Lake. All three were drown and can't swim but two of his friends were able to get close to shore to be rescue with Vang Houa Thao still in the water. None of them were wearing life jacket. Vang's body was later recovered by members of the Ramsey County Sheriff's Office Dive Team on Sunday afternoon.
Vang's sister, Maiya Thao, 30, said losing her brother was even more heartbreaking because his death could have been prevented. "As smart as he was ... I was dumbfounded when I heard none of them had life jackets," Maiya Thao said. "He was a mediocre swimmer." Vang's brother, Chia Thao, 25, said that the three friends had launched the canoe from a friend's house on the lake and that there were life jackets at the house for people to use. "They said, 'We have them here for a reason,' " Chia Thao said.
At least two dozen family members and friends gathered at the lake Sunday to mourn Vang's death.
For the full article go here:
http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_27993117/little-canada-lake-searched-after-canoe-capsizes-1 (http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_27993117/little-canada-lake-searched-after-canoe-capsizes-1)
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A lot of Hmong just don't wear life jackets. Plus they tend to overload their watercrafts.
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Aw that's a tragic loss. Lyn agree with what Vang's sister said, this could have been prevented. Life jacket is there for a reason. Hopefully the other two friends learn from this, going into the lake without safety equipment is very risky. Lyn pray condolence to the family for their loss.
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Can't swim and yet no life jackets on but in deep water = serious disaster.
According to the Pioneer Press, a 27-year old St. Paul man was drown after his canoe which he rode with his two other friends were overturned at 11:46 am Sunday morning on Twin Lake. All three were drown and can't swim but two of his friends were able to get close to shore to be rescue with Vang Houa Thao still in the water. None of them were wearing life jacket. Vang's body was later recovered by members of the Ramsey County Sheriff's Office Dive Team on Sunday afternoon.
Vang's sister, Maiya Thao, 30, said losing her brother was even more heartbreaking because his death could have been prevented. "As smart as he was ... I was dumbfounded when I heard none of them had life jackets," Maiya Thao said. "He was a mediocre swimmer." Vang's brother, Chia Thao, 25, said that the three friends had launched the canoe from a friend's house on the lake and that there were life jackets at the house for people to use. "They said, 'We have them here for a reason,' " Chia Thao said.
At least two dozen family members and friends gathered at the lake Sunday to mourn Vang's death.
For the full article go here:
http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_27993117/little-canada-lake-searched-after-canoe-capsizes-1 (http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_27993117/little-canada-lake-searched-after-canoe-capsizes-1)
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That's too bad, can't swim but no life jackets. What's there to say about it.
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In a serious note, even if you wear a life jacket...What about the zaj? Life jacket won't project you from the dragon taking your spirit away....MN is known to have zajs in almost every lake.....
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In a serious note, even if you wear a life jacket...What about the zaj? Life jacket won't project you from the dragon taking your spirit away....MN is known to have zajs in almost every lake.....
There has never been a case where someone fell overboard with their life jacket on, and suddenly was pulled out of their life jacket by "something" not human. Or there has never been a case where witnesses describe an actual "something" pulling someone under.
Do ghosts and spirits like "zaj" exist? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe "zaj" made the young men feel overly safe and created an easy situation to take (drown) them. But if that's what you are saying, then I can also guess that it was not zaj and it was the leprechaun hiding in the bushes that casted a spell on the men to either forget or not see the life jackets. What if a white person drowned in Ohio or Utah? Was it zaj? I just hate superstitious/super-natural explanations because anyone can come up with anything.
Based on all accounts, the men made a fatal mistake and tragedy happened. Nothing more, nothing less. I prefer it this way.
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Muskies have attacked swimmers.
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There has never been a case where someone fell overboard with their life jacket on, and suddenly was pulled out of their life jacket by "something" not human. Or there has never been a case where witnesses describe an actual "something" pulling someone under.
Do ghosts and spirits like "zaj" exist? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe "zaj" made the young men feel overly safe and created an easy situation to take (drown) them. But if that's what you are saying, then I can also guess that it was not zaj and it was the leprechaun hiding in the bushes that casted a spell on the men to either forget or not see the life jackets. What if a white person drowned in Ohio or Utah? Was it zaj? I just hate superstitious/super-natural explanations because anyone can come up with anything.
Based on all accounts, the men made a fatal mistake and tragedy happened. Nothing more, nothing less. I prefer it this way.
It's plausible that anything could have happen. We just don't know what really happen because we weren't there to witness it. We can all assume in the different ideas be bring to the table. In shamanism, we believe zaj took him. In Christianity, we believe god took him.
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It's plausible that anything could have happen. We just don't know what really happen because we weren't there to witness it. We can all assume in the different ideas be bring to the table. In shamanism, we believe zaj took him. In Christianity, we believe god took him.
We may believe what we want, but we KNOW he didn't know how to swim, didn't have a life jacket, fell overboard, and drowned. That's all there is to it. No need to bring in leprechauns, dragons, black magic, etc. These things are way beyond human understanding anyway.
Muskies have attacked swimmers.
Attacked, yes. But attack, drown, and kill? There has never been a case of human death by muskie. Muskie, alligator gar, flathead catfish, snapping turtles (common snapper are more aggressive than alligator snappers), otters (very territorial), these creatures will sometimes attack a human unprovoked. More often than not, it is a territorial aggression reaction or it thinks a pinky, a toe, or a shiny ring on a finger is prey. But never would any of these creature actively pursue a human for the purpose of consuming as food. The only North American animals that will attack a human with the intent to kill and consume us for food are polar bear, brown bear, timber wolf, a few shark species (most notably tiger shark), and coyotes will try to attack and take away children but rarely will attack an adult human for food.
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We may believe what we want, but we KNOW he didn't know how to swim, didn't have a life jacket, fell overboard, and drowned. That's all there is to it. No need to bring in leprechauns, dragons, black magic, etc. These things are way beyond human understanding anyway.
Attacked, yes. But attack, drown, and kill? There has never been a case of human death by muskie. Muskie, alligator gar, flathead catfish, snapping turtles (common snapper are more aggressive than alligator snappers), otters (very territorial), these creatures will sometimes attack a human unprovoked. More often than not, it is a territorial aggression reaction or it thinks a pinky, a toe, or a shiny ring on a finger is prey. But never would any of these creature actively pursue a human for the purpose of consuming as food. The only North American animals that will attack a human with the intent to kill and consume us for food are polar bear, brown bear, timber wolf, a few shark species (most notably tiger shark), and coyotes will try to attack and take away children but rarely will attack an adult human for food.
Okay, you win at being a smartass...I'm done
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If you could help the family of Vang Houa Thao in this time of condolence, feel free to donate and help them give peace to their love one. O0
http://www.gofundme.com/t34gh4v?fb_action_ids=10206035832362311&fb_action_type s=og.shares&fb_ref=undefined&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_ map=%5B787181704723792%5D&action_type_ma p=%5B%22og.shares%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%22undefined%22%5D (http://www.gofundme.com/t34gh4v?fb_action_ids=10206035832362311&fb_action_types=og.shares&fb_ref=undefined&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B787181704723792%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.shares%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%22undefined%22%5D)
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If you could help the family of Vang Houa Thao in this time of condolence, feel free to donate and help them give peace to their love one. O0
http://www.gofundme.com/t34gh4v?fb_action_ids=10206035832362311&fb_action_type s=og.shares&fb_ref=undefined&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_ map=%5B787181704723792%5D&action_type_ma p=%5B%22og.shares%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%22undefined%22%5D (http://www.gofundme.com/t34gh4v?fb_action_ids=10206035832362311&fb_action_types=og.shares&fb_ref=undefined&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B787181704723792%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.shares%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%22undefined%22%5D)
Aw.. he looks like a nice gentlemen too :'(, Lyn is honor to donated $50 to help his family. May his family stay strong and his spirit find peace. O0
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We may believe what we want, but we KNOW he didn't know how to swim, didn't have a life jacket, fell overboard, and drowned. That's all there is to it. No need to bring in leprechauns, dragons, black magic, etc. These things are way beyond human understanding anyway.
Attacked, yes. But attack, drown, and kill? There has never been a case of human death by muskie. Muskie, alligator gar, flathead catfish, snapping turtles (common snapper are more aggressive than alligator snappers), otters (very territorial), these creatures will sometimes attack a human unprovoked. More often than not, it is a territorial aggression reaction or it thinks a pinky, a toe, or a shiny ring on a finger is prey. But never would any of these creature actively pursue a human for the purpose of consuming as food. The only North American animals that will attack a human with the intent to kill and consume us for food are polar bear, brown bear, timber wolf, a few shark species (most notably tiger shark), and coyotes will try to attack and take away children but rarely will attack an adult human for food.
There was a little Hmong child who was taken by something in lake phalen. The child went under water in the beach area and was never recovered. I personally known the mother and this was like the worst day of her life. Back then we used to see muskies swimming through the narrow channels.
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There was a little Hmong child who was taken by something in lake phalen. The child went under water in the beach area and was never recovered. I personally known the mother and this was like the worst day of her life. Back then we used to see muskies swimming through the narrow channels.
Phalen Lake is very deep - 90 feet. I'm sure if you researched and looked up the history of all of the drownings in Phalen, I wouldn't doubt it if there were many that were never found because it is deep and large. And "taken" is a bit of a stretch. If someone is clearly being dragged with their arms up like in the shark movies, then yes, you can say they were taken. But in the case of the Hmong child, he/she most likely lost their footing or went in too deep, couldn't find their footing, couldn't swim, and we know what happens to the rest of the story.
Even a 40-50lbs flathead catfish with a mouth gape of 12" and more, way larger than a muskie, would have a hard time consuming a 20", 5-10lbs carp. It's highly unlikely, even impossible, for a muskie to drag away a human child even if it wanted to eat it...which is even more unlikely because like I stated in my earlier post, there has never been a case and the only North American animals known to hunt humans for consumption are large land mammals.
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i can swim to save myself, but even so, when I'm embark on such small vessel and especially with friends, it is better to be wearing safety floatation than to second wish you had on a safety vest. Under sudden distress, the mind can panic and things could happen beyond your control. The water, the weather, the adrenaline rush, all can factor in you drowning.
These young kids obviously, think not with their heads, but their cockiness got the best of them. My condolences, nonetheless.
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Don't gamble with your life, just put on a life jacket.
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My first canoe drowning incident happens in narleans when I was about 10 years old. A bunch of my friends decided to skip school that day and so they went to the neighbor's house and stole/borrowed a canoe for a little joy ride. Non had life jacket and only 1 is a skillful ocean swimmer. His cousin was on board as well. I was not invited so I went to school as planned.
News later at school that a tragedy happened. A week have passed and our ESL teacher was nosey so she wanted the full details from one of the survivors. He said they were fine, going down a narrow channel river until they saw a duck. The one at the front said to hurry up and paddle so he can catch it. Out of all that excitement, the canoe flipped and all went down. They were no more than 6 feet away from the bank so 2 guys were able to pull themselves to shore. The survivor guy who be telling the story said he was about ready to give up and die as he slowly sank but at the last resort, he heard a voice calling for him to not give up so he doggy paddle himself upward and saw a branch. The branch came from the guys that were able to hit land first so he too was saved. The best swimmer guy knew his cousin could not swim so he went after him. They found them both hugging each other. The cousin panic underwater and wrapped himself onto the other guy and so they both drowned.
I had nightmares for months. My very first case of a death ever since I landed to the new world. It changes my views and perceptions after that. I recently found one of the guy who made it to land on facebook and wanted to reach out to him. Dude too was traumatized so he did not reply back to me but I left him a note.
When out on the lake, take precautions and no horse playing around either. There was a case where a hmong family was at a lake and a speed boat came by too close to the shore and the wake just washes their young ones out and they drowned. Such tragic but could be prevented if we take the time to think with our heads. Pass the word and be careful out there. Even harmless fishing trip from the bank. Be extra careful.
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i can swim to save myself, but even so, when I'm embark on such small vessel and especially with friends, it is better to be wearing safety floatation than to second wish you had on a safety vest. Under sudden distress, the mind can panic and things could happen beyond your control. The water, the weather, the adrenaline rush, all can factor in you drowning.
These young kids obviously, think not with their heads, but their cockiness got the best of them. My condolences, nonetheless.
Which young kids?
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In a serious note, even if you wear a life jacket...What about the zaj? Life jacket won't project you from the dragon taking your spirit away....MN is known to have zajs in almost every lake.....
Zaj will only come after you if you believe in him, so don't!!!
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I wear life jackets even though now I think I can swim.