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Hobbies & Interests => Anime | Manga => Topic started by: TheAfterLife on February 25, 2013, 10:12:20 PM
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Look guys, I don't like melodramatic anime and sorry acting, okay. Because if it gets too boring for me and if it doesn't seem to feel real, I am turning it off with a piss off attitude.
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fruits basket ;D
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rurouni kenshin without the fillers
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Too many to pick just one(1), depending on what rocks your boat.
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Is it an action series?
its a samurai series
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i let u decide heres the 1st 30 min of it if u like it watch the rest of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_2UuJxIy_o# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_2UuJxIy_o#)
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Whoa...that's way too long. Is there a summary video for this?
just watch the 1st 5 min of it then because thats all it took for me to watch the whole thing
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If you like Afro Samurai, it's likely you'll hate 99% of the anime out there. Most of the anime fall into that category of "melodramatic anime and sorry acting". It's not bad or anything; it's just the style of (conventional) anime.
What you are looking for is stuff that is American style mood and pacing like Afro Samurai. Unfortunately, like I said, those are hard to come by. Don't be fooled just because an anime is action/fighting, violent, samurais, or has muscular Marvel comic-style characters. Most of the time, these action anime are the same as other conventional anime.
Cowboy Bebop. It's like Law & Order, "24" and NCIS rolled into an anime package. Don't believe me? Watch the first episode and tell me I'm wrong. It's older and can be found on YouTube. The best part is you do not need to watch the subbed version. Oh my goodness, the American-English dub version is A+++.
Here's the 1st episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Yex4jfFF4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Yex4jfFF4#)
Trust me, you'll be hooked. Man....you got me watching it all over again now. *sigh* good times.......
You're gonna want to secure the DVDs. YouTube quality is horribad. Especially since the anime was puposely drawn to have a dark color tone.
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Golden boy?
that one was pretty funny when i watched it. ;D as for current ones... well... not sure if it's the best... but watched sout eater, gurran logan with kids. ;D
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I have seen death note and that was the only show that I like so far.
In the "anime" world, if you've only seen "Death Note" and think that's it or the only worthwhile "anime" - which btw was/is only decent per season 1 - then you are missing out on a lot, in terms of cinematic entertainment.
Yeah, you do not care for the melodramatics, goofy acting or silliness, and comedy which is more common in Japanese cartoon/anime say versus other countries', but that aside there are a lot of Japanese anime that has none of these and are outright serious in nature even "R' rated etc., or even on-par with or above Hollywood production --- silversceen movies that is.
Here are just a few in case you ever want to check them out. (And nowadays, you can even watch them on Youtube.)
Samurai X - Trust and Betrayal, Vampire Hunter D and VHD: Bloodlust, Demon City, Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away, Steam Boy, Lensmen, Leo the Lion --- :P, and Gundam Wing --- any series, just to name a few. Except for the last two, the rest are full featured movies where a lot Hollywood movies have either drawn inspiration from or outright copied in a live action movie or drama.
And of course fanboys of Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Yugioh, Pokeman, and Blood+ etc. etc., will scold me if I did not mention these anime series. (I personally enjoyed Naruto, season 1 and 2, which any guy in their right mind would or should, and it has nothing to do with being or wanting to be a ninja, but more so about growing up, O0.)
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TheAfterLife,
;D ... all you talked about was how bad anime series were - Bleach, Deathnote, Naruto, Pokemon - hahaha.
You said absolutely nothing about Samurai X - which by the way is feudal Japanese Batman one could argue, though more bloody - not a saint like Batman, or Demon City etc..
Nevermind, clearly you are watching something or anime - with a narrow perspective - thus there is probably nothing that will suit you. Stick to whatever else that you do watch; soap operas probably --- :2funny:
And your perspective on Deathnote and Naruto is way, way, way off --- not even close. I'll give you a hint. In Deathnote, Light envisioned a perfect society without crime - especially death. He thought, given the power of the Deathnote, that he could create such a society. In doing so, he concluded or came to realize two things: one, people kill regardless - perfect society or not, and two, he became no better than the killers themselves being judge and executioner with the power of Deathnote. And that's just the jest of it. You read and see too many kiddy stuff in your kiddy viewpoints and perception. Why? Because you already made up your kiddy mind before even viewing these anime -- :idiot2:
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You don't get it, don't you? Light Yagami's role was TOO DAMN LIGHT! It didn't feel deep enough for him to have a reason to pick up that book. And why earth? Why did the book chose Earth?
Stick to your "soap operas", O0. They do not require as indepth analysis or reasoning/criticism to comprehend, much less enjoy, if just purely for entertainment. (fyi - The Deathnote did not choose Earth. It was purely by accident. Maybe you missed that episode or misunderstood/over analyzed it - ;))
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One of my ex absolutely loved this series. I think there were 18 (plus or minus ?) DVD. It's very graphic and only for grown ups.
Urotsukidōji: Legend of the Overfiend
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I have no true favorites. Most of the ones mention so far have been pretty good. Here are a few others that I have fond memories of:
Record of Lodoss War (I love the music!)
Guyver, Bio Boost Armor.
El Hazard - The Magnificent World.
And many others that deserve mentioning but I'll just stick with these for now.
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I have no true favorites. Most of the ones mention so far have been pretty good. Here are a few others that I have fond memories of:
Record of Lodoss War (I love the music!)
Guyver, Bio Boost Armor.
El Hazard - The Magnificent World.
And many others that deserve mentioning but I'll just stick with these for now.
one of the best anime that i've seen.
vampire hunter d, ninja scroll, blood:the last vampire, and death note are also good ones. ;D
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Golden boy?
That one falls under "the most perverted anime ever" category. :D
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Golden boy?
that one was pretty funny when i watched it. ;D as for current ones... well... not sure if it's the best... but watched sout eater, gurran logan with kids. ;D
wat you like golden boy also. lol I thought ladies hate watch a prev. guy going around saying study study studyyyyyyyyy. women are scary.LOL a black braaaaa.
Ah the good old classic anime.
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Look guys, I don't like melodramatic anime and sorry acting, okay. Because if it gets too boring for me and if it doesn't seem to feel real, I am turning it off with a piss off attitude.
Claymore, Berserk not the OVA but the remake.DBZ god ssj.
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned Grave of the Fireflies. Thats a good anime right there.
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned Grave of the Fireflies. Thats a good anime right there.
Really, that good uh. Guess I've not seen it. Okay I'll go look and will let you guys know.
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Really, that good uh. Guess I've not seen it. Okay I'll go look and will let you guys know.
It's on Roger Ebert's Great Movie list.
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It's on Roger Ebert's Great Movie list.
I heard of that movie but I thought it was more for little kids, like Spirit away, Princess Mononika sumting like that.
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^^ yeah you have to watch it and pay very close attention to the story. otherwise you'll get lost in the story line
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^^ LOL if i were to watch it again I'll would. I like the drawings.
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Sword of the stranger, FF advent children, samurai x trust and betrayal
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FF AC had nice grafics and action scenes were good but overall, the pace was too slow for me.
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LOL FF ac, I got the very 1st movie tat came out. I believe I bought it at J4 long time ago. LOL the english sub, was whack!!!. LOL it was like wat the japs were say'n and translate it to english straight up. backwards. LoL one minute you understand then the next was like wat.....Uh... I thought he then now she.... I go then call mom. Tifa is MOM and later my sister. LOL..
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Robotech/Macross series
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Robotech/Macross series
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VillainousHero, Long time no see, bro.LOL
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Hokuto No Ken
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Gosh how can I forget Initial D stage 1-4 and now stage 5.
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I don't like Initial D. It's not my taste.
Yeah, it's not for everybody. I kinda don't understand it as well. I just like the cars.
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Gosh how can I forget Initial D stage 1-4 and now stage 5.
I waited years for stage 5. I don't care anymore. I'll wait for an english dub.
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Damn, no comedy...you missing out.
Try these tho: Claymore, Darker than Black and Attack on Titan.
If you can stand just a little comedy, you need to check out the english dubbed Samurai Champloo and Cowboy Bebop.
And for something totally awesome and different and how anime should make you feel (IMHO), check out Moribito.
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Unbreakable is a great movie.
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I haven't seen a good anime in along time.
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I haven't seen a good anime in along time.
Me too, other than the Berserk OVA's.
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:) Love anime...
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Anyone who hasn't seen Attack on Titan should watch it.....don't no if it's your type but I like it.
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Anime can be too emo.
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Berserk 2 is out at Walmart. For like 14.99. this part is wen gutts leave the bank of the hawk. it's already catching up to the ova.
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Berserk 2 is out at Walmart. For like 14.99. this part is wen gutts leave the bank of the hawk. it's already catching up to the ova.
That's the OVA, its catching up to the anime. There's one more OVA and hopefully a series after that. Awesome manga and anime. O0
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I think guyver and DBZ was probably the best ever.
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That's the OVA, its catching up to the anime. There's one more OVA and hopefully a series after that. Awesome manga and anime. O0
No the OVA is done@ part 6. The new anime is catching up to the OVA... Reason 1 this amune is following the comic books, well sorta. Can't wait to see part 3
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I think guyver and DBZ was probably the best ever.
I like the OVA Guyver better. The new one is too dark. the art has a lot of black shades, But the new version goes farther then the OVA.
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No the OVA is done@ part 6. The new anime is catching up to the OVA... Reason 1 this amune is following the comic books, well sorta. Can't wait to see part 3
Hmmmz, we are talking about the new OVA that's gonna end where Griffith turns demon and Gatsu losses his arm?
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Hmmmz, we are talking about the new OVA that's gonna end where Griffith turns demon and Gatsu losses his arm?
This one is wen tat skull knight comes and save guts and casa from the dark realm. And in the OVA... @ the end you see Gutts walking off to the mountain and tat's it..
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This one is wen tat skull knight comes and save guts and casa from the dark realm. And in the OVA... @ the end you see Gutts walking off to the mountain and tat's it..
Okay, I get it. Lets hope he gets that black armor.
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Okay, I get it. Lets hope he gets that black armor.
I think he will get that armor. If you follow the comic book you will kinda get the story.
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Hmmmz, we are talking about the new OVA that's gonna end where Griffith turns demon and Gatsu losses his arm?
You just ruined for me.
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ISN'T THERE ANY GOOD ANIME OUT THERE? WHY CAN'T IT BE MORE AWESOME THAN AN AMERICAN FILM?!?!?!
I didn't know this topic was called, What's the worst anime?
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Saint Seiya Sanctuary
Saint Seiya The Lost Canvas
Saint Seiya Omega
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Lol, I like em.
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You just ruined for me.
Just got done watching part3. And man I want more!!! feed me more Bersek anime. I wanna see his big MOFO blade.
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Dragon Slayer
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I will check it out. I pray that you don't waste my time! :angry5:
LOL, opps. I was refering to the name of Gatsu's sword. :2funny:
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Please don't revoke my Asian Card, but I know nothing about Anime. Not even Hentai! :(
What's something good to start me off with?
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Please don't revoke my Asian Card, but I know nothing about Anime. Not even Hentai! :(
What's something good to start me off with?
Berserk
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That and both with what is the best one ever. I am looking and seeking for a anime that is better than Afro Samurai, Death, Vampire Hunter D, and other anime as well. If there isn't anything that BEATS THESE movies or show, then I suggest and assume that asian can't film pho SHIIIIT!
There's no point in asking if you won't listen to suggestions.
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ISN'T THERE ANY GOOD ANIME OUT THERE? WHY CAN'T IT BE MORE AWESOME THAN AN AMERICAN FILM?!?!?!
Go watch the reboot of man of steel. That's your bread N butter. lol
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I just did and it was horrible. It wasn't as good as Batman. It's better than the old one, I have to say, but the storyline is not as good as the old one.
That new sup movie reeks of azz. Superman return was way better then man of steel.
They totally FK up that reboot. The fight scenes were awesome, however that's not superman style.
He killed more people then saving people. LOL O and in the end. SUPER LAME. Neck break. I mean come-on...
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Superman is okay, but Batman is still awesome because HE'S BATMAN! YEAH!
But the question is, which Batman?
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Did anyone mentioned Gai Rei Zero? I really liked that anime. O0
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Just got done watching DBZ God. I want to see more. It was okay I guess, But it could of been better.
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Basilisk isn't so bad.
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Pokemon... hands down. So many lessons. And it's not just for kids.
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We have been through this countless of times.
Golden Boy
That's it. Gotta' go study because everything is so f'ing educational...
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Basilisk isn't so bad.
The end was dumb. Everyone dies. hahaa.
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Hollywood movies have NO DEPTH... I don't even bother watching them anymore. The few that I DO watch... can't compare.
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Pokemon... hands down. So many lessons. And it's not just for kids.
it was good up til he lost the battle at the end of season 1. Then it just went on... and on... and on... and on... and on... OMG it never ended... I watched a little bit into the Orange badge then I couldn't stand it no more.. LOL
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it was good up til he lost the battle at the end of season 1. Then it just went on... and on... and on... and on... and on... OMG it never ended... I watched a little bit into the Orange badge then I couldn't stand it no more.. LOL
I sort of agree... hahahaha... I liked it up until they started changing characters...
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Not even Legendary Pictures? Because Batman has a LOT of depths. Hollywood has some good movies and you just don't know it yet.
Hollywood makes dribble. Then they decide to remake good foreign movies into their dribble. Sure there are exceptions but overall 85% of Hollywood movies really aren't that great.
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Then that can go with Anime as well since their acting is very melodramatic. In fact, Asian people can't direct AT ALL! Why do you think they make movies in THEIR country rather than over here in the USA?
Uh... Because a Hollywood Studio wouldn't pick them up so they have their own National studios do it? Why must Hollywood do remakes of other nation's movies? Isn't Hollywood also out of ideas or just finding new avenues to reap in heaps of dough? Hollywood is the standard because of it's coverage, appeal and enormous budgets and monetary gain/loss but Hollywood studios are far from making great movies. We get the same campy, emo type movies just like most animes.
Instead of trying to benefit off of it they should actually taking a stand and having some backbone. They should release the original and *gasp* keep the actually language intact and make us actually read but Americans are sooooooo tired of reading. How many great international movies are never even heard of or seen in their native tongue and not a redo, reboot, revamp, restart.
Asian's can't direct. Alright. That's almost laughable. One of the greatest movie directors AND 'anime' directors happens to be both Asian. If you don't even know who both of those are then you haven't seen enough movies.
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Do you see any asian directors in hollywood that is populated? The only person that I KNOW was the guy who made Broke Back Mountain and THAT'S a Hollywood movie. There's only ONE chinese guy and the rest are white people. Good luck at laughing at that...
I don't need to laugh as your post already proves you know little. Asian directors may not have a large audience but they are available and quite market able.
You mentioned Ahn Lee.
You forgot
- Bruce Lee
- M Night Shyamalan
- Justin Lin
- John Woo
- Tarsem Singh
- Wanye Wang
- Joan Chen
- And many, many others
Your narrow minded view that Asians can't somehow make a Hollywood movie is moot as you've already contradicted your own argument. There is plenty of proof at how much money or successful their movies have made FOR AMERICAN audiences!
If you're wondering why there aren't more then try to understand that Hollywood, their primary objective is to make money. Not many Americans will be able to enjoy a movie or genre they have little knowledge of; hence why American movies do well in America and abroad but it is really simple minded to assume that other markets aren't profitable. You know it might be a bit of a shock but Japanese directed movies probably do pretty well in Japan and Korean movies probably do pretty well in Korea. We just don't receive the coverage because *ding* Hollywood can and does dictate what we watch.
Seriously if you think every movie needs to be a blockbuster smash then step back, observe the audience and subject matter. Maybe take some time to study a bit like Golden Boy. Maybe go and explore other genres and see what else is out there. Not ever movie needs a Bruckheimer explosion, or doves from a John Woo movie. You should give great consideration on Asian cinema, Hollywood or not because you're really missing out on all kinds of good films.
I can't be mad; just a little sad that you didn't back your argument up a little better.
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I've never seen such a well formulated one sided explanation of facts! Wonderful
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tat is why his name is Sifu... Master Sifu from Kungfu Panada.
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For a guy of your caliber, I would have never thought you would like watching ANIME. I thought it was all Christian comics and holy prayers. To think you would like ANIME is something interesting because Anime came from Japan and they are Shinto. Amazing....... .how someone who wants to eliminate cultures would enjoy such Anime from other cultures. But oh well, You should watch Naruto. It is getting to the good part. Tobi is Obito and the sage of six path has emerge. Guy is going 8th gate mode. Stay tune.
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Dude, stop butt raging. There are plenty of Asian directors that have directed Hollywood movies. Really, go look! It's pretty sweet! You have the internet at your disposal and you still haven't checked. This is sad. Do you need to hold my hand? Do you want me to provide links, books, movies, music, television, studios, etc. Are you just inept to think that there's this big movie studio called Hollywood Big F'ing Pictures and that ALL American movies come out of it? That only true Asian directors that live in Hollywood and film there are the REAL Asian directors and all the others are fakes. Well done man, well done. Put on your tin foil hat and go back to hiding.
Hollywood is like Champagne or Cognac. A geographical location that had its name adopted into mass media from that said locations products. Hollywood still have giant studios and sets but its not the only location in the world (let alone the US) that makes movies. Seriously? Are you blind or have you been locked up for the last 80 years? Hollywood is international. It follows money. If it sees or hears an idea that may make money they will try two things. They will purchase the rights to expand the movie, television, music, etc or they will do their own version. With big Hollywood stars and big budgets. This is why the studios fight and WE the audience GET stupid reboots and what not. You even pointed that out about how you preferred one story over the other?
I just did and it was horrible. It wasn't as good as Batman. It's better than the old one, I have to say, but the storyline is not as good as the old one.
I mean c'mon man you're trippin' all over the dance floor here. The sad thing is you're just making a big scene and then you will have to play the part because you're in fist deep.
Do you like to eat crow? I only ask this because I'd like to know your response after you do some more research because your post about Asian directors is incorrect. I'm only here to inform others that your statement should not be condoned. If you can't or don't want to admit it is your prerogative; debating with you is like fighting with a 5 year old. The thing is that 5 year old needs to be disciplined regardless.
SO before we even get to Asian directors we should be on the same page so there is a debate because this isn't how you have debates in real life. Define Hollywood in your own words. You can use references just don't cut and paste. Seriously. Do it. Put it here so everyone can follow and maybe learn a few things. Hell if I'm wrong I'll eat crow but I'll do it only if you're going to sensibly do it or just go about your POV and pretend nothing happened and all these different opinions are wrong. I would like to hear your definition because you owe it to everyone at this point to give your version of 'Hollywood'. Everyone is rather baffled by your opinions and the reasons behind them. 'Story sucked, too long, too flashy, not Hollywood Hogan enuff for me'. Come on man, give reasons and back them up. It's like I'm in grade school having a grade school fight but really the worse part is that you don't believe there are any good Asian directors (Hollywood or not but baby steps first).
Maybe if you gave us more insight then we would be able to read you more like a book. So go ahead and start.
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i'm not gonna read through everything... i just don't care.
from my opinion, sword of a stranger is a great anime stand alone movie whereas attack on titan was a great anime, but due to how it just ends, i'm left wanting more... sword art online was cool until they ended the first game and a new game happened... wtf?!?
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Are they in Hollywood? Because the last time that I checked, they don't work for Hollywood. Go check their logos in the beginning of the movie since I know that Bruce Lee DID work for hollywood; however, it wasn't an asian movie. Go rewatched their logo of the movie if THEY ARE in the name of Hollywood. Again, like I said, there's very, VERY, little pops of asian directors is because they can't write english. I have never seen Bruce Lee winning an oscar before.
John Woo doesn't work for Hollywood. Most of his movies are Chinese movies.
Your quotes will come in handy later.
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Sweet Wisconsin Guy,
I am a die hard Christian and I like Anime... I watch for the story lines and the human lessons. Religion is religion. My faith in God is solid, and so is that of my kids. It does not hurt us to learn about other religions. I also watch a lot of Bollywood movies too, so I am also exposed to Hinduism... and we love the Harry Potter series as well... so we are also exposed to witchcraft... and voodoo... Skeleton Key was an excellent movie.
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Holy crap how did a thread about anime turn into a debate about movies? Anyways I’m surprised nobody mentioned Galaxy Express 999. It’s the most quintessential steam punk anime EVAR.
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I heard they were going to do another animated one and Hollywood was possibly doing a live action.
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I don't need to laugh as your post already proves you know little. Asian directors may not have a large audience but they are available and quite market able.
You mentioned Ahn Lee. - Broke Back Mountain
You forgot
- Bruce Lee - Way of the Dragon
- M Night Shyamalan - The 6th Sense
- Justin Lin - Fast and Furious 6
- John Woo - Face Off
- Tarsem Singh - Immortals
- Wanye Wang - Last Holiday
- Joan Chen - Autumn in New York
Are they in Hollywood? Because the last time that I checked, they don't work for Hollywood. Go check their logos in the beginning of the movie since I know that Bruce Lee DID work for hollywood; however, it wasn't an asian movie. Go rewatched their logo of the movie if THEY ARE in the name of Hollywood. Again, like I said, there's very, VERY, little pops of asian directors is because they can't write english. I have never seen Bruce Lee winning an oscar before.
Out of those directors and their movies listed, Bruce Lee is the only one who didn't direct a Hollywood movie.
PS Christopher Nolan never won an Oscar either.
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BTW. Ang Lee is the only person to won 2 Golden Bear Awards.
Both movies actually had gay characters in them too.
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Bruce directed "Enter the Dragon.". It was his idea, his movie. This movie was the first Asian directed, acted and fully funded by an American Hollywood studio. A big deal for Asian actors for Americans but remember that Akira Kurosawa and many others had already gained worldwide audiences without the help of Hollywood. Don't forget how many great movies and genres that came out due to Kurosawa.
Back to the OP.
Many Hayao Miyazaki movies are great story driven animations. Not every story requires an epic battle or cut scene actions. Sometimes the imagery, characters and story are more than enough to keep you entertained.
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Kung Fu, wasn't that Bruce Lee's idea too?
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Bruce didn't direct Enter the Dragon. He was just the director for the opening scene and some action sequence. Robert Clouse is the director.
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Bruce didn't direct Enter the Dragon. He was just the director for the opening scene and some action sequence. Robert Clouse is the director.
Hm. I was thinking Return of the Dragon. He only did the fight scenes for Enter the Dragon and produced it.
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Hollywood is racist. Has been, always will be. I'll tell you this though; Hollywood prefers to make money versus being racist. There's money in it but the backlash isn't worth it to them UNLESS the money is there. As for the actor/actress physical beauty I could care less. An actor/actress should be graded on their ability to act and not how they shake their ass. That's just being shallow (not that I don't mind some eye candy; it's not what I would spend any money or time just to look out for).
Do you have Netflix?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0760185/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0760185/)
There are many reasons why I agree with what you said. The problem is that Hollywood has both overtly and subliminally kept pushing the same stereotypes and continues to do so. Now you can see that having Asian directors is a good thing along with Asian actors. The problem is that the Asian community (worldwide) is growing and the ONLY way I see Hollywood really making an effort is to first milk the Asian audience of their money and then maybe give them an opportunity. Hollywood just wants the Asian community as a market and not so much as a partner or influence.
If you really want to try to make a difference then go support your other Asian directors from other countries. For real! There are so many great classics; both animated or live action.
As for Gran Turino it wasn't bad but it wasn't great either. In terms of a movie with Clint Eastwood it was a typical movie with Clint Eastwood playing yet again a savior. Historically it's inaccurate but so are most movies, books, television shows, etc. In defense of the actors you can't blame them; it was probably their first time acting.
So how about that definition of Hollywood?
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We're talking about Anime here, why are you guys yelling at each other about live action movie.
Lame..
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Saki Saki. Keep the thread going, TheAfterLife would like to believe that there aren't any good Asian directors or anime. Nearly every post TheAfterLife posted in response just criticizes what other people's tastes are and that's unfair. He asked for an opinion yet gripes about other opinions and sure this spun into something else but somehow bemoans and misses a point. And when a point is brought up he still skirts around the mentality that Asians can't direct yadda yadda yadda. Still can't accept that Asians aren't dumb or aren't skilled in this field as well but is sure good at trying to be a spin doctor. I'm trying to stand up to that idea because most of us understand why, others would like to think they do.
I don't mind the responses. It gives me an idea of other viewers and their tastes and we even had a person who knows little about anime? Wouldn't you give other members an honest attempt to maybe explore and get into it?
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I'm personally a big fan of SAO and berserk. Though I really love the newer remakes of berserk
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Look guys, I don't like melodramatic anime and sorry acting, okay. Because if it gets too boring for me and if it doesn't seem to feel real, I am turning it off with a piss off attitude.
same
i like nonstop action anime, but series like that are few and far in between
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Come on man. Asians can't write or speak English well? That's what editors and translators are for. You just can't accept that there are Asian directors that have made successful Hollywood movies and at this point you've already proven to everyone here that your statement is wrong.
I just finished Attack on Titan and for me it wasn't too bad. There were moments when it was slow or lacked more development but the story isn't too bad. I just wish it didn't have to fall into a Titan's hand and I was hoping to root for the puny humans.
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I never said it was great. I said I was able to stomach it. The story was good until the main character found out his special ability. At that point it was your usual Mecha based anime. Nothing is wrong with cliche; its how it differentiates itself from cliche that makes the difference.
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Again, if you see any asian directors who has won the Nichole's (Nickel) Fellowship, I only know 1 guy who did it. That is pretty sad for asian people who has not won the Nichole's Fellowship in Hollywood.
The really sad thing is how you won't admit that there aren't any good Asian directors.
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Dude. How does it taste with your foot stuck in your mouth? If you're going to proceed and play the spin doctor then practice some more. You can try to shift the arguments all you want and avoid my questions. You can blindly pretend that all Asians aren't good actors or directors. You can deny that in your own world because you're just like thePoster. Blind, naive, only open to hear what you want to hear, etc etc etc. It must be a lonely world. I take it the inability to see past your nose helps the harsh reality.
Keep spinning and chasing your tail while patting your back. You can even make it a winning situation in your situation. You can take that view into the world and pretend. I assure you that you'll be happy in your own world. When you're ready to join the rest of the world we'll be right here.
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Anime, YES, I would agree that Asians know more about their craps. Ya know why? Asian people are PROS at cooking Asian food which is their natural background. It's like what the elders say, "If you are good at something, stick to it." In shorter terms, it's YOLO.
As for Asian people directing in American movie, NONE so far. Again, if asian people can't write english well, don't even talk about making movies in America because America is the LOUDEST nation of their is. Therefore, if someone targets USA industry, your fame and glory will go THROUGHOUT the entire world rather than just that country alone. For example, Joe Hisaishi, a famous Japanese music composer isn't that famous here in USA because he's only famous in Japan. Therefore, it's a no. He's not that worldly famous, just famous in his country.
If you already know that Asia has best anime, why say Japanese anime is nothing compared to Hollywood anime?
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Define Hollywood.
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I didn't say Hollywood anime. I was comparing stories to Hollywood. I am more of a story guy that gets me hook. If I don't see a hook, then I am not biting IT!
Japanese anime is good, about a FEW ONLY! In this today of age, anime aren't hitting in the USA market...not that much. Only a few that would get a pick up.
You do know why animation is huge in other parts of this planet called Earth and why its not taken as seriously in other parts of the work right? Why is it that a Bollywood movie has singing and dancing? Or why Chinese movies work like a Peking Opera? If you think it is because the story wasn't good or there wasn't enough action or cgi then you've still can't see a much larger, more complex issue than 'Hollywood wouldn't pick it cuz it sucks and all Asian people suck at movies'. Again, define Hollywood so we know were on the same page. You understand that the studios make movies and hire people to make the movies. Do you understand the marketing aspect is a whole different animal? Studios have pre-screening, screening parties. They go out and do surveys asking people 'if there was an Afro Samurai movie would you go see it?' They are checking the demographics of viewers, what they eat, wear, listen to, watch, purchase, age, sex, etc etc etc. They can spend millions before the movie is even made just to see if they'll make a penny. You've heard of all the stories of how a director was going to make a movie but the plug was pulled. Why? Ask yourself why was it pulled? The writers, directors and even producers were pushing for it but who has the final word? I know its a strange feeling but think about it. Surely living in LA has given you the hot scoop that everyone else here is missing. Am I right?
To keep it simple, who holds the keys to television, movies, music in the USA? Who can and does control what we see, when we see and how we see it? Who rates the movies so only a certain group can go? Who is it that tries to keep the movie only 1hr30min (because American audiences get bored so easily), who calls the shots for cutting out scenes, hiring big name actors to promote the film? Think, its not that hard to see or understand.
Traditionally because you grew up in the USA probably assumed anime, animation and cartoons were all lumped into the same category. Your Jetsons, Flintstones, Scooby Doo, Tom N Jerry kind of cartoons. Not to be taken seriously, just slap stick shows for children. We grew up to this and *gasp* its still seen this way because why? Why doesn't Hollywood make an Afro Samurai movie for the USA? Because maybe a majority of the audience doesn't know who Afro Samurai is or wouldn't understand anime because the majority have not been exposed to it. Maybe simply there isn't any money to be made because not enough people will go see it or it will cost too much to promote the movie and with their data collected there's still no sure fire way that it will make any money.
Also, you hardly ever see NEW anime series that comes on T.V. every night or day. The truth is, they are not hitting what the people want. Whenever Hollywood say, "Make Sci-Fi movies because of money," or "Go make horror movies," etc. The movies that came out successful as a sci-fi movie was The Avengers. Why is it a lot better than some dumb Asian movies? That's because they got money. Asian people can't make a good budget CGI that is as good as USA. In fact, when DID 3D entered in the realm of Asia? Well, it entered pretty late before USA got theirs first. Therefore, if you look at the movie industry by watching the story, the character, the shots, the timing, and the special effects, America holds the best shows in this world. If you think Asia has some better art than USA, I would like to see some. The only movie that was decent in Anime vs. USA movie industry would be Afro Samurai.
If you think that special effects are what makes a movie then your argument is doomed. You've already penned it.
CGI is a tool, just like a paint brush. You can use CGI just like you can use a movie set, or a painted backdrop, or a camera, a light, an actor. It should be used to tell a story but sell it? Seriously, don't go this route, skip it. Pretend you didn't say it because this will hurt your statement because Hollywood LOVES audiences that just want simple stories and lots of action. It is so much easier to make sequels when people will be lining up the streets waiting to drop money without thinking about it. They love zombies, they're so easy to make and market towards. Really, don't go this route, I want to see where your argument will go trippin' and stompin' but not here.
Do you know why Afro Samurai was made to be the best? The first one was great, the second one was stupid. Your notion of logic requires some work. "It's the best" because the first was great. "It's the best" but the 2nd one was stupid. So there's one 'great' and one 'bad' and it still makes it the 'best'? How so if one is good and one is bad? See what I'm dealing with here?
Oh, so you watch a story that has no story but just a kick a.s.s. story? Well, then I guess you like watching dumb movies then. I guess you don't care much about art then.
Here is where you're going to back track. How can you critique a whole movie, series, book, music, television show without even seeing it let alone trying to understand it? Did you do this with math or science during school? Do a few, fawk I'm bored math sucks.
"It all sucks! Those science guys doing stuff? Science sucks! Teacher, math sucks! "
"Why does it suck? Did you finish the problem?"
"No! i did a few and it sucks!"
"How do you know it sucks? You only did two problems, there are 5 problems. You haven't finished."
"But I know it sucks!"
"How, you never finished it?"
Explain to me how a limited knowledge of information gives you the ability to understand the concepts? This is arrogant. You can't hate or love something without understanding it. You can't become a critic without knowing the issues. Really this is failure, you're riding on a sh1t ton of hubris. This is why I've been asking for your definition of Hollywood and while you're still trying to go around the problem you still can't understand why I don't accept your statement. Don't ever go to a book review if you haven't read the book.
You know who sounds like that? It was Patrick Star and the reason why I chose him is because when he made his FIRST music to be put on the radio, there were tons of haters that brought pitchforks to kill him. The reason why they want to kill him is because of his annoying art. The truth is, Guren Lagan SUCKS! That kind of a art goes to the trash. I mean, would you take a red picture to be art? About six guys I know consider a red painting to be art and they BOUGHT IT for $600 bucks just to buy a RED PAINTING. Dude, that's like me buying a piece of white paper and calling it art, or taking a crap is calling art.
I hate to break this to you but art is subjective. It's flippin' amazing because an artist creates their work, their art, their form, their style, their expression. Then they place it on a medium. The audience takes the artist's form and sometimes heavily places their own contexts on top of it. Sometimes they agree on the same context, sometimes they see differently but regardless critics will take the time to explain why. The wild thing about art is that monetarily it is dependant on the demand. Again, leave this out, we are going to art and economics. You're trying to shift the arguments again. Stay on topic because it sounds like you know little of art. Really, take a deep breath and back away.
Okay, name more than 20 that has won the oscars here in America.
Why? Movies that you liked didn't win Oscars. You said successful movies. Usually that means what has made grossing profits or has had lasting impacts for the audiences and society. You can have as many directors, actors, actresses that get nominated but only one winner. Again by your definition none of your movies would be successful; again that flawed logic. Wouldn't it be prudent to say that the Oscar panel views their nominations with great regards but chose one as it exemplifies over the rest?
And why in America? Dude, Hollywood is international! Shit is bigger than just this pond in the US!
That's because you haven't seen how Hollywood is. I live in LA, what are you talking about?
Wow. Amazing. I'm speaking with an expert because you live in LA. Can I claim that I know everything about Mother Nature because I live on Earth or have you also claimed that superfluous title? Are you Man-God because you just are? I'd call you director extraordinaire based off of your examples but you said Asians can't be good directors.
I know its long winded and maybe most of the viewers don't really care. But if anything viewers can at least account your credibility and what you have to say with discretion. I just want to stand up to malicious statements that you have made and make sure others understand that there is more to Hollywood than Afro Samurai, being an expert living in LA and incorrect statements about Asian directors and movies; both animated or not. Hollywood is pretty cool but it is not what you think it is.
If you would still like to continue then start a new thread because I'd still like for this original post to proceed. I'm always looking for things to do and watch (to the end credits, not just 5 min it). This is why I come here for ideas on what to watch. But yeah... Your statement isn't getting you anywhere anytime soon.
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Dude, I have worked with projects before since I am making music for the guys who works in the industries. I even have a meeting about them of how they actually run the place; however, when you look at Freddy Wong and his stuff, that is what Asian can do ONLY except for a story. Asian people are good at making action scenes ONLY...never was for making a bomb A.S.S. art.
Ask them if there are any Asian directors next time LA. And answer the question. Or would you rather spin some more? Not very good at it.
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I have. I even gave you that Hollywood is racist. Why do you think Chinese directs Chinese movies only rather than not an American movie? Again, people would rather watch American movies.
Racist but it's soooo good right? The best racists ever because they make the best movies.
I know you'll never do it at this point.
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Why must you keep changing and avoiding the question? Backed into a corner and you have nothing else to back you up. You can't spin this on me. It's not working. Clearly treading is what you do very well. You've avoided most of my questions and continue change your idea about Asian directors. Every time it changes. Your statement isn't working so you're just fishing for something else. Looking for a hook to desperately claw your way into.
Now you're asking me if there is a big population of Asian directors in Hollywood or America? What happened to all sucking Asian directors that can't be from America or Hollywood? Did you just admit that there is 'a population of Asian directors?' Wouldn't that just defeat what you have said that there weren't? You live in LA remember? You tell me. You can't prove to me that there aren't any; I've already listed some. I'd help you look them up but I don't think it's really that hard. We haven't even begun the discussion because your definition (or lack) of Hollywood hasn't been presented nor will it be. You'll always see it your way. The wrong way; the naive view.
Why don't you just admit that you were wrong? This isn't going so well for you.
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Ah yes. The ole' classic switch-er-roo. Make a statement and back pedal.
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HENTAI.... GOT DAM IT... The thread is about Anime. LOL..
Night Shift Nurse is awesome.....I watched all the series...
Black Bible....
Mezz-O Forty, the Movie..
I can go on and on...
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HENTAI.... GOT DAM IT... The thread is about Anime. LOL..
Night Shift Nurse is awesome.....I watched all the series...
Black Bible....
Mezz-O Forty, the Movie..
I can go on and on...
Explain in great details. ;D
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The Ninja Scroll and Akira. :D
Dang girl... yours are my favorite too.
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Gundam Stardust Memory
Robot Carnival - short stories mixed with awesome music
Hokuto Shin Ken - all the ova
Apocalypse Zero
Violet Evergarden - series, ova, and movie are great. One of my favorites. OST is also great.
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Vampire In The Garden