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Title: Supreme Court Favors Baker In Refusal To Same Sex
Post by: w1s3m0n on June 04, 2018, 07:06:54 PM
How do someone decide religious freedom (freedom of speech) vs. discrimination?  Freedom of speech or is this a case of discrimination?  Where do freedom of speech ends and discrimination start?  The supreme court ruled 7-2 in favor of freedom of speech over discrimination .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CVXNLzZxRM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CVXNLzZxRM)

Title: Re: Supreme Court Favors Baker In Refusal To Same Sex
Post by: DuMa on June 04, 2018, 08:27:13 PM
We have the right to refuse service to anyone...sign hanging in the wall

End of discussion
Title: Re: Supreme Court Favors Baker In Refusal To Same Sex
Post by: w1s3m0n on June 04, 2018, 11:59:54 PM
We have the right to refuse service to anyone...sign hanging in the wall

End of discussion

What if I only did that to black or Hispanic people?  Would that be appropriate?
Title: Re: Supreme Court Favors Baker In Refusal To Same Sex
Post by: dogmai on June 05, 2018, 01:55:15 AM
We have the right to refuse service to anyone...sign hanging in the wall

End of discussion

You don't have that right when your service is being provided to the open public.
Title: Re: Supreme Court Favors Baker In Refusal To Same Sex
Post by: DuMa on June 05, 2018, 03:55:24 AM
What if I only did that to black or Hispanic people?  Would that be appropriate?

Reserve the right means by owner's discretion.

I told yall a story about my case against McDonald.  Going through the drive through, over the intercom, the staff says no service for you.  I thought they ran out of food cuz this was like after clubbing hours.  Upon leaving, my MN, the lawsuit trigger happy guy would take out his Fon to record live at the window.  Guess what? They took orders from the car behind us.  We dresses like clubbers so what's the problem?  The manager biatch shows up to tell us to leave.  When we refuses, they called the cops.  No problem here, we stayed for the cops.

Guess what the cop says?  They have the rights to refuses services to anyone. 

Cops also be like, were you two drinking?  I was driving so I told my cuz to get back in the car since I don't want a DUI dwi.  Had we we're not drinking, It'll be a case my lawyer would like to tackle. 

Title: Re: Supreme Court Favors Baker In Refusal To Same Sex
Post by: DuMa on June 05, 2018, 03:56:14 AM
You don't have that right when your service is being provided to the open public.

Come to Cali to see them signs by the cashier. 
Title: Re: Supreme Court Favors Baker In Refusal To Same Sex
Post by: DuMa on June 05, 2018, 04:15:41 AM
No shirt, no shoes, no service. I've seen it too. 

service to anyone?
Under federal anti-discrimination laws, businesses can refuse service to any person for any reason, unless the business is discriminating against a protected class.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mydoorsign.com/blog/right-to-refuse-service-to-anyone/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mydoorsign.com/blog/right-to-refuse-service-to-anyone/amp/)
Title: Re: Supreme Court Favors Baker In Refusal To Same Sex
Post by: dogmai on June 06, 2018, 12:29:20 AM
No shirt, no shoes, no service. I've seen it too. 

service to anyone?
Under federal anti-discrimination laws, businesses can refuse service to any person for any reason, unless the business is discriminating against a protected class.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mydoorsign.com/blog/right-to-refuse-service-to-anyone/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mydoorsign.com/blog/right-to-refuse-service-to-anyone/amp/)

Point proven.
Title: Re: Supreme Court Favors Baker In Refusal To Same Sex
Post by: DuMa on June 18, 2018, 06:27:27 AM
Point proven.

Then how come the supreme Court finds in favor of the Colorado cake Baker?

Don't say point proven but point to yourself and laugh  :2funny:
Title: Re: Supreme Court Favors Baker In Refusal To Same Sex
Post by: dogmai on June 18, 2018, 08:32:50 AM
Then how come the supreme Court finds in favor of the Colorado cake Baker?

Don't say point proven but point to yourself and laugh  :2funny:

No shirt, no shoes, no service. I've seen it too. 

service to anyone?
Under federal anti-discrimination laws, businesses can refuse service to any person for any reason, unless the business is discriminating against a protected class.

Actually, I'm pointing at your condradiction that you posted above. ^

You claimed that they have the right to refuse service to anyone, then stated "unless the business is discriminating against a protected class." Well, Miyagi, those people thats protected are considered as "anyone".

So point proven.
Title: Re: Supreme Court Favors Baker In Refusal To Same Sex
Post by: DuMa on June 18, 2018, 09:29:58 AM
Actually, I'm pointing at your condradiction that you posted above. ^

You claimed that they have the right to refuse service to anyone, then stated "unless the business is discriminating against a protected class." Well, Miyagi, those people thats protected are considered as "anyone".

So point proven.

So if gay is a protective class then how come the supreme Court finds favor in the cake Baker? 

Unless, yeah you know it, your Kung Fu is off somewhere.   :2funny:
Title: Re: Supreme Court Favors Baker In Refusal To Same Sex
Post by: Gucci K on June 18, 2018, 11:25:21 AM
How do someone decide religious freedom (freedom of speech) vs. discrimination?  Freedom of speech or is this a case of discrimination?  Where do freedom of speech ends and discrimination start?  The supreme court ruled 7-2 in favor of freedom of speech over discrimination .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CVXNLzZxRM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CVXNLzZxRM)
i'm also in favor of this ruling...the baker is operating a personal business and have the right to refuse service to anyone...but i also do hope that his business falls off the cake stand (like those failed videos at wedding ceremonies) for being discriminative .   
Title: Re: Supreme Court Favors Baker In Refusal To Same Sex
Post by: dogmai on June 19, 2018, 10:08:03 AM
So if gay is a protective class then how come the supreme Court finds favor in the cake Baker? 
This is a good example of what happens when you just read the title and not the entire article and /or don't understand it but claim that they do. The reason is because the current ruling ruled that the previous panel discriminate him.
Unless, yeah you know it, your Kung Fu is off somewhere.   :2funny:
Constantly saying my kung fu is weak won't change the fact that your actions are constantly showing you getting defeated by my kung fu. Here's another one,  ready? Since when did a Christian not considered as "anyone"

Here's a quote that suits you since you are constantly getting defeated by my weak kung fu.

"Truth will always be truth, regardless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance. "

- W. Clement Stone

Title: Re: Supreme Court Favors Baker In Refusal To Same Sex
Post by: DuMa on June 19, 2018, 11:04:41 AM
Constantly saying my kung fu is weak won't change the fact that your actions are constantly showing you getting defeated by my kung fu. Here's another one,  ready? Since when did a Christian not considered as "anyone"

Here's a quote that suits you since you are constantly getting defeated by my weak kung fu.

"Truth will always be truth, regardless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance. "

- W. Clement Stone

So the previous panel discriminated him so he should of won the first time around so what's the problem?
Title: Re: Supreme Court Favors Baker In Refusal To Same Sex
Post by: DuMa on June 19, 2018, 11:07:50 AM
By the way, you just confused yourself.

It is not my saying.  :2funny:

I am quoting with link so you view for your pleasure.

Under federal anti-discrimination laws, businesses can refuse service to any person for any reason, unless the business is discriminating against a protected class.

https://www.mydoorsign.com/blog/right-to-refuse-service-to-anyone/amp/ (https://www.mydoorsign.com/blog/right-to-refuse-service-to-anyone/amp/)
Title: Re: Supreme Court Favors Baker In Refusal To Same Sex
Post by: can on June 22, 2018, 01:11:42 PM
How do someone decide religious freedom (freedom of speech) vs. discrimination?  Freedom of speech or is this a case of discrimination?  Where do freedom of speech ends and discrimination start?  The supreme court ruled 7-2 in favor of freedom of speech over discrimination .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CVXNLzZxRM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CVXNLzZxRM)

you do realize what freedom of speech is right?

You don't have that right when your service is being provided to the open public.

 O0
Title: Re: Supreme Court Favors Baker In Refusal To Same Sex
Post by: Renaissance on June 28, 2018, 11:03:08 AM
This is a case of balancing "religious liberties" and "civil rights."  How do you uphold one right without infringing on the other?  I believe the court got this one right. O0
Title: Re: Supreme Court Favors Baker In Refusal To Same Sex
Post by: Believe_N_Me on July 07, 2018, 05:01:25 AM
ROFL! Ph Libtards wracking their brain over the ruling...

....you're all wrong. The reason why the supreme court ruled in favor of the baker is because the Colorado courts discriminated against him. There was already a previous Colorado case in which the court sided with a baker who refused to write a Christian verse that was played up to denounce homosexuality. If the courts are going to allow that baker to refuse a 'custom' cake then they should allow Jack Phillips to opt out of baking a customized cake.

Customers do not have rights to a 'customized' product. Business owners do not have to produce a "customized" item if it expresses a message that violates their deeply held beliefs. That includes secularists who don't want to customize a message that says "atheists should die". In fact, business owners do not have to produce any customization that would misrepresent their brand.

 "Customization" is the operative word here. Wedding cakes are always "customized". They also express a message and that's why they are called "wedding" cakes. Masterpiece Cakeshop reserves their right not to bake a customized wedding cake that would express any marriage outside of a heterosexual union.
Title: Re: Supreme Court Favors Baker In Refusal To Same Sex
Post by: Believe_N_Me on August 06, 2018, 04:19:04 AM
Here's the thing Libtards, it is not the court to decide what is popular and unpopular speech/expression. The Supreme Court basically affirmed that Colorado courts was biased against Christian beliefs when they discriminated against Jack Phillips. It is not up to the CC to find Christian beliefs invalid or hateful.