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Funeral Rituals & Customs / Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
« on: May 26, 2010, 02:57:38 PM »
in case you guys don't frequent the faith forum or don't understand hmong language, here are my translations to simple english.

enjoy!

19: Nkauj Muam Nraug Nus Sib Ncaim

seems like a sunny day has passed, great aunt
seems like many years ago
seems like brother lived a good life, the two of you were siblings who loved each other very much
shared the same blood, shared the umbiblical cord , shares the same meals along with the same plate & spoon, oh great aunt

seems like you, daughter, born by accident to wear a skirt and went on to blossom like mushrooms along trees and barks
you went and live a life along the edges of a garden, oh great aunt.

seems like the two of you made a promise, thru ‘zaj tshoob’ –hmong wedding songs, during your wedding.
your brother told you, ‘go well. when the sky turns dark and the land ends…”
if brother live a life, to its end and not to its fullest
remember him and keep in contact and his whereabouts

seems like the two of you made a promise, thru ‘zaj tshoob’ –hmong wedding songs, during your wedding.
the promise was, after you wed, remember that ‘if’ one day
when brother has live a life, to its end but not to its fullest, to his 120 years
you, must remember to come back and know of his fate, oh great aunt, great aunt.

seems like when brother was still alive, seem like he was the glass water that runs over the hot coils, 9 days or 10 nights, you have a place to visit and make runs to.

seems like today, brother has left all weights and is standing tall near the border of his fields.
brother is going, he’s going to leave you behind, alone, oh great aunt.
seems like, brother is going away, like a bridge, rolled over the other side
now it’s going to cut all ties,  ending your runs and visits to him

do not be mad or be angry. bridges may have been broken but the roads are still wide.
broken bridges are the reasons why we (txiv coj xai) are here to fix. land slides we will fenced.
his sons and daughters, we will leave in your care and you must love them so they too will have a place to run and visit, oh great aunt, great aunt.

seems like we are here to fix bridges to be solid, fix roads to be straight and wide.
left behind are your brother’s sons and daughters-in law, daughters and sons-in-law
among them you will find comfort and a home to visit, oh great aunt, great aunt.

the leaves have fallen but remain are the branches.
your brother has passed but remain are his sons and daughters, his daughters and his sons
the leaves have fallen but remain are the branches.
your brother has passed but remain are his sons and daughters, his daughters and his sons
oh great aunt, great aunt.

seems like today the owner has passed and is leaving his farm animals behind.
animals are going to run wild all over the pent.
seems like your brother passed away. leaving his sons and daughter in laws, daughters and son-in laws
they will cry and curl all over their beds and pillows

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Funeral Rituals & Customs / Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
« on: May 26, 2010, 02:52:16 PM »
Slude who is that person singing this??


Do you have the full recording???

the person is "Lis, Riam" from fresno. yes i have the full.


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Funeral Rituals & Customs / Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
« on: May 14, 2010, 03:03:08 PM »
yamaha, i'm writing some but haven't got to the ones i've posted.

it's okay to listen at home. these are songs for the 'living' only. get a headphone/earpiece and you're ok.

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Funeral Rituals & Customs / Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
« on: May 14, 2010, 01:46:51 PM »
for the curious minds, here are some funeral songs. a few towards the end or early morning,  request and i will post accordingly.

---sorry for the original broken links. i've decided to upload to Dropbox for a permanent home. if you don't have dropbox and want to sign up click here http://db.tt/iEyhIuCP

my shared link to listen and download the mp3s is here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xff0g0e6zji05ii/gW2U3hejyq

if you want more, PM me. cultural art for the curious minds, sharing is caring---


enjoy,

slude

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Xyom Cuab Ua Tsaug 01 (this is the lengthy original verse for thanking, the words are the same, just insert the name/role  _____ of the person you're thanking and repeat.)

01 Txiv Xaiv Pib Rooj Hais Xim (verse when preparing the rooj xim)

19 Nkauj Muam Nraug Nus Sib Ncaim (live and death; brother & sister relationship)

22 Xyom Yuab Taij Txiaj Ntsig (this is the most important song, a MUST learn for all sons)

23 Muaj Foom Kom Ntawm Txiv (asking for blessing/fortune from dad)

24 Qhua Ntuas (lecture)

25 Foom Kom (modern verse on success)

26 Faj Tim Huab Tais (txiv xaiv best choice of words, crowning of a king)

27 Saib Looj Mem (the last song before sunrise, final farewell)


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What happens if the parents don't have the money for the dowry?

loans from relatives, do whatever to it takes to complete the wedding process.

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Funeral Rituals & Customs / Re: Funeral Songs Request...
« on: May 10, 2010, 11:08:26 AM »
I have been monitoring this room using my wife's nick, and I learn alot. Although I dont have a PH account, and does not wish to create one, I would like to make a request, inhoping someone in here can help. 

Kuv xav kawm zaj nkauj lossis xivxaiv, uas yog txiv dablaug hais rau tej me tub me nyuam, thaum uas lawvniam tau tso lawv tseg...Qhov nod tshwmsim thaum lawv hais xim es txog txivdaglaug thib.

Tsis tas ntawv, kuv los kuj xav kawm zaj uas from muamphauj tog tuaj thiab...

Vim kuv paub tias muaj ib hnub twg yeej yuav txog kuv, thaum ntawv kuv xav tias cia kuv yog tus zaum kiag, thiab hais kiag xwb. Vim lawv sawvdaws los yeej yog kuv me tub me nyuam...

Yog leejtwg paub no ces thov qhia. Ua tsaug ntau ntau...


yog li koj hais. muaj sib hawm no kuv mam upload/write the verse rau koj. where are you from? 

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Funeral Rituals & Customs / Re: Ok..another one. At funerals....
« on: December 04, 2009, 03:12:18 PM »
if a family member or clan member passed. you as the 'xyom cuab' your role is to run errands & thank people.

xyom cuab, this is what you say:

ua tsaug no laus mog,
luag tias, yeeb vim peb tsev xyom cuab,
tsev mob tsev nkeeg, tsev puas tsev ntsoog
ttog ib teeg, tu ib sawv
los koj tsis cia li, koj tseem xav neej xav tsav,
xav ntsuab xav ze,
koj tseem cab yag cab nco, tshaj ntuj qa nco nto
tuaj pab peb tsev xyom cuab nta dab nta qhua kom ntseg log puas tam ncej txawb

hnub qab nram lub ntsis,
peb tsev xyom cuab txawj ua lub neej ces yuav pauj tau koj tus txiaj tus ntsig no lau
nram qab nram ntsis tsev xyom cuab tsis txawj ua lub neej los,
koj tus txhia ntsha yuav nqa txhia ntsig yuav ris no laus mog.


if you are visting and contibuting money, this is what you say:

txhob ua tsaug laus mog
luag tias, yeeb vim nej tsev xyom cuab, tsev mob tsev nkeeg, tsev ploj tsev tuag
ntog ib teeg, qaib ib nkog
nyob li txawj ua lub neej ces twb cab yag cab nco nyiaj txiag qas ncos nto
tuaj pab nej tsev xyom cuab nta dab nta qhua kom ntseg log puas tam ncej txawb

yeeb vim, ua lub neej tsis xws luag
muab yam tsis tsheej yam, muab tsi tsis tsheej tsi
twb nqa tsis tau ib yam dab tsi tuaj tauv tsev xyom cuab lub kua muag
no ces txhob ua tsaug, nkim lo tsaug xwb no laus mog

observe. participate. you must be willing to join in and not just sit/stand around. no one is going to judge you or put a microphone and ask you to speak up. overtime, you build confidence and the 'thank you' words will come naturally.

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High School Years / Re: What high school did you attend?
« on: October 01, 2009, 04:47:26 PM »
duncan poly high in fresno til sophmore year
graduated north high school, oshkosh class of 99

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Wedding Rituals & Customs / Re: Bride Head Price & Lesbians
« on: May 21, 2009, 04:20:28 PM »
the result is the same with a hmong girl and a black guy. no dowry.

or

both moms "yog kuv yug, mob kuv plab, kuv yuav sau $5000". then they pay each other $5000. ;D





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inform your parents that you will bring home your bride and plan out a day/time. this will give your parents time to prepare and call a relative to 'fi xov', notify the bride's parents.

-when you & bride approach the front door, tell your parents 'niam thiab txiv kuv coj tau nyab los tsev" and then 'pe' your parents and beg them for their support and help with the wedding. your dad will use either a live chicken, broom, tree branch, etc to 'lwm qaib' and welcome you/bride into the house.

-your parents will call relatives and tell them to go to the bride's house and inform her parents. they will need to bring money, drinks/cups and cigarettes.

-the actual wedding starts at your house. relatives will tie strings around you/wife wrists. the wedding party (mej koob, best man, father of the ntxhais tais ntsuab) will sit at the table along with other elders and 1 close elder (uncle) representing your parents.

-after the meal, the 2 mej koob will ask you and your best man to pe. take of your shoes and when the mej koob give thanks to your parents/relatives/spirits, you and the best man go down on you knees and up.

-then it's time to go. you and the best man will carry the blanket/food/basket kawm. the best man carries the basket and you the blanket.

-there is a rest stop along the way to the bride's house. the mej koob will prepare the chicken from the basket and everyone will eat before moving on.

-once you arrive at their house. the mej koob will advise you to follow them in a specific order. once you get inside, take off your shoes and prepare to 'pe' a few times.

the rest of the night will be negotiation and some of your relatives will join you at the inlaws' house.

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the next day...

-wake up early to help with the butchering and cooking. invite your relatives to come help.

-there will be a first meal, breakfast. everyone will eat, including outside relatives and women/children.

-after the breakfast, the wedding starts. the inlaws appointed relatives 'dab laug, nuj tij, nus npaws' will sit at the table along with your respective 'niam txiv tom ub (your close uncle/relative) best man and you.

-your mej koob will partner up with the other side's mej koob. they will appoint someone at the table to be the moderator and oversee any bitter/sweet exchange. he will explain, no crossing your arms/legs and do not speak the word 'tas (done)' instead use the word 'meej'

-wedding begins. the inlaws' mej koob will ask the bride's relatives to thank your parents (niam txiv tom ub) for the money, food, wedding. this is when everyone gets up and thank your side. they will thank your mejkoob, uncle, you and your best man.

-your mejkoob will thank their relatives and inlaws for the food/wedding. this is when they will get up and thank the inlaws relatives and other mejkoob. at this time, you and your best man, stand up and thank the 'nus tij and nus npaws'. if you don't know how or what to say, here's the simplest version:

"ua tsaug. niam txiv tom ub ua tsis muaj kab muaj ke tuaj los niam txiv tom no ua muaj kab muaj ke tos. ua tsaug niam txiv tom no." ---simple

-after the ua tsaug, there will continue to be a few rounds of beers. watch carefully (hands, gestures) of the mejkoob or person drinking to you. do as they do and remember to always fill the cups all the way. if a can of beer seems low/empty, don't pour it halfway otherwise you will have to drink a half full/empy cup and refill.

-your bride and maid will dress and stand next to you and the best man. the mejkoob will ask you to stand up,  take off your shoes and bow. the other mejkoob will direct you/best man to bow. this is when the nus tij/nus npaws will bring a blanket and cover the area where you will be bowing. they will place 2 cups of beer in the center of the blanket. your mejkoob will negotiate to remove the blankets and you and your best man will have to drink the beer.

-now 'pe' till you can't stand up. ha-ha.

-after this, everyone will sit and the nus tij/nus npaws will present to the mejkoob the type/size of cups they'd wish to 'zeem' you and your best man, their new brother n laws. this toast "zeem" is called 'nyuj sib nraus' or 'bull fighting' metaphor for the cups clashing in the middle.

-they often refer the cup as 'nyuj'.

-the nus tij/ nus npaws will start from one side, you/best man will start from the other depending where you sit. sometime, there will be a nus tij/nus npaws on both ends and they will start. when 'zeem' tell the person you're drinking to your full name, that today you are married to their sisters/daughter/niece and that from now on you will honor/acknowledge your relationship as brother n laws. drink then pour and pass to the next person.

-other people will zeem and give you beer. if they give you a different size cup than the size agreed by the mej koob, ask that person to clear it with your mejkoob. the people have no right to force you to drink a different size/can or different beer/liquor.

-the mejkoob will go over the list of people who have given you gifts/money and how much your inlaws have given to you/wife. you and your wife will get advice from the relatives.

-when the time comes, your mejkoob will request to leave. nus tij/nus npaws will take the blanket and basket outside, wait there with a can/cup of beer. when your party is out the door, offer to drink the beer and take back the blanket/basket. you take the blanket, your best man takes the basket.

-walk to the car. another rest stop to eat the chicken.

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back at home....

-your parents and relatives prepare food on the table.

-when you get home, you will have to bow a few times.

-the same people will sit at the table and the mejkoob will explain the whole wedding to your parents/relatives. they will go over any problems encountered and read/give the list of the people that have donated gifts/money to your parents. your uncle who went and sat at the wedding table with you will review the wedding and give his testimony of the event.

done. happy marriage.







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Wedding Rituals & Customs / Re: Hmong Polygamy in US
« on: March 04, 2009, 12:57:53 PM »
no. it's a dying practice. the new generation will not tolerate. the 1st wife will walk out before the 2nd enters. these days there are unlimited resources for women with any problems.

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