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Title: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: ladygem on June 09, 2011, 04:55:14 PM
So I heard that Thai Thao from Sounders who is also a lead guy in First Financial Security is making $40,000/month; that's $480,000/year?

That's a lot of money. Any truth to this?

Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: YAX on June 09, 2011, 05:46:33 PM
Are you sure, it's Per month and not one month after many months of no fruits?
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Mong-X on June 09, 2011, 07:27:41 PM
let's try taking out 3 zeros from the figures...?  :idiot2:
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: lifegoeson on June 14, 2011, 11:12:08 AM
So I heard that Thai Thao from Sounders who is also a lead guy in First Financial Security is making $40,000/month; that's $480,000/year?

That's a lot of money. Any truth to this?

My aunt is in the same business and ever since she's started she was telling everyone she was making $40,000/month too; so maybe that's something most people in the business say to get people in? One of my aunt told me its funny how she's making $40,000/month but she can't afford to cut down that tree in her front yard she's been talking about for years and my uncle is still working!  ::)
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: 92hb_hb on June 14, 2011, 12:35:21 PM
a sucker is born every day..
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Chewy on June 14, 2011, 03:41:31 PM
I have a neice who came to me telling me to go work with her.  Telling me that she makes as much in 2 months as I do in a year... I told her good for her but I'm not interested...  ::)  She was quite relentless and started a spiel that when I'm old, wrinkled and still working she'll be well off and retired in the Bahamas.  God I don't get why people say this kind of shit.

Now, she makes $13 an hour doing some kind of reception work... And then blames it on you for not helping her make money buy being part of her chain... sheesh... some people will never learn.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: YAX on June 14, 2011, 04:36:55 PM
There was a guy on PH a year or so ago who said he made $250K/year in FFS.  yeah right!
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: DeceiversChick on June 14, 2011, 05:50:54 PM
if they really did make 6 digits in a year they be out golfing and/or traveling quite often.  ::)
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: tetrapod on June 14, 2011, 06:50:13 PM
So I heard that Thai Thao from Sounders who is also a lead guy in First Financial Security is making $40,000/month; that's $480,000/year?

That's a lot of money. Any truth to this?



That sounds like a lot.  Commission must be extremely high.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: OKbybye on June 16, 2011, 11:08:54 AM
it might just be true. Let's see the bank statement. :)


I have seen other business making that much money...so...w ho knows!!!
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: YAX on June 16, 2011, 12:19:31 PM
it might just be true. Let's see the bank statement. :)


I have seen other business making that much money...so...w ho knows!!!

 Oh it's true.  But it's generally just one fluke month plus they don't tell you how much they've invested to get that much and how many people they had to screw over.   ;)

Also, they misstate facts.  Like:

Instead of saying I made $40K one month, they say I make 40K per month.  They could easily have all previous months' checks deferred and then the company writes them one big check for the past 9 months or so which amounts to like $25K or something and they'd say "OH I made 25K/month".  Like that.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: yuknowthat on June 17, 2011, 07:08:29 AM
So I heard that Thai Thao from Sounders who is also a lead guy in First Financial Security is making $40,000/month; that's $480,000/year?

That's a lot of money. Any truth to this?


when you're one of the first top people to start the pyramid scheme yes you're going to make some money not being rich..you wouldn't be still rocking the stage singing "KUV HLUB KOJ!!!!" or "VIM KOJ DAIM DUABBBBBB!!"....i'll be in hawaii relaxing waiting for my check to come in...every week..living in mansions driving ferraris and lambos...but it's a good side job though if you're a outgoing sales man..lmfao
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: DeceiversChick on June 17, 2011, 08:49:36 AM
when you're one of the first top people to start the pyramid scheme yes you're going to make some money not being rich..you wouldn't be still rocking the stage singing "KUV HLUB KOJ!!!!" or "VIM KOJ DAIM DUABBBBBB!!"....i'll be in hawaii relaxing waiting for my check to come in...every week..living in mansions driving ferraris and lambos...but it's a good side job though if you're a outgoing sales man..lmfao
isn't that the truth!  :D
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Hmong_Vampire on June 20, 2011, 07:06:23 PM
when you're one of the first top people to start the pyramid scheme yes you're going to make some money not being rich..you wouldn't be still rocking the stage singing "KUV HLUB KOJ!!!!" or "VIM KOJ DAIM DUABBBBBB!!"....i'll be in hawaii relaxing waiting for my check to come in...every week..living in mansions driving ferraris and lambos...but it's a good side job though if you're a outgoing sales man..lmfao

Let's just it this way. Thai Sounders is doing very well financially  8) Singing is just a hobby. He doesn't need do it to make a good living O0
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: yuknowthat on June 20, 2011, 11:38:21 PM
Let's just it this way. Thai Sounders is doing very well financially  8) Singing is just a hobby. He doesn't need do it to make a good living O0
i know but i'm just saying.. O0
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: tubyaj on June 22, 2011, 04:56:42 PM
I don't know about $40,000 a month....at least consistently but he does have a nice house and cars.  He got lucky and was on top of the pyramids a few times.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: NkaujNom on June 22, 2011, 04:58:36 PM
So I heard that Thai Thao from Sounders who is also a lead guy in First Financial Security is making $40,000/month; that's $480,000/year?

That's a lot of money. Any truth to this?



True. He's a friend of the family. His s/o is also a part of FFS.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: kavntug on June 23, 2011, 04:33:49 PM
I don't know about $40,000 a month....at least consistently but he does have a nice house and cars.  He got lucky and was on top of the pyramids a few times.

The guy is good at what he's doing.  I'm not talking about selling but very inspirational guy so I give him credit for that.  I don't think he's lucky at all except he works at it and most of all, having the heart of a champion helps! 
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: YAX on June 24, 2011, 10:56:32 AM
I noticed these pyrmid guys keep jumping around from one triangle to the next anyway.  So we'll see what the next MLM entails.  They'll all jump to that and learn something new.   Happen every few years.  Iono if I wanna change careers that often.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: SummerBerry on June 24, 2011, 04:50:31 PM
The guy at the FFS seminar that I went too......told us he was bringing in 4k a month and my husband and I just laughed at it when we walk out of there because he was still talking about working a full time job and doing FFS on the side.  He was only working for FFS for a year. 
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: tubyaj on June 28, 2011, 05:24:23 PM
The guy is good at what he's doing.  I'm not talking about selling but very inspirational guy so I give him credit for that.  I don't think he's lucky at all except he works at it and most of all, having the heart of a champion helps! 

Oh.....he's lucky....right time and right place.  Dedicated but luck played a big part.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: kavntug on June 28, 2011, 11:33:13 PM
Oh.....he's lucky....right time and right place.  Dedicated but luck played a big part.

No, I still think many of us give up too soon...  Winners in general do things just a little different and that's all.  I don't think 'luck' has anything to do with it.   Sorry...I don't believe in having luck at all!
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: tubyaj on June 29, 2011, 11:05:12 AM
No, I still think many of us give up too soon...  Winners in general do things just a little different and that's all.  I don't think 'luck' has anything to do with it.   Sorry...I don't believe in having luck at all!

My own personal life has been about 50/50 mix....half detemination and half luck.

1. Meeting my wife - luck.  Getting her to marry me - determination.
2. Getting to the school I want - determination.  Graduation from the school - luck.
3. Getting my job when there were well over 100 applicants applying - 50/50.  Finding the position posted on a newspaper that was left on a Subway's restaurant - luck.

I can go on and on.....but that's me....some things in life you can work on hard.  However, other things you have no control over...I call it luck if it's positive.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Tommyboy on July 17, 2011, 02:52:49 PM
Individual results varies upon effort. People often quit in these business because they expect immediate 5 to 6 figure income in a short few months. Realistically, that just doesn't happen. Those that are successful in network marketing are willing to take long term risk and understand that financial success comes over a period of years. I'm sure the dude is a very successful guy and if we all put enough effort into whatever we do, we can succeed financially as well. Being at the top of the chain definitely helps. If you guys want to be on top of the chain in an opportunity that is just starting to break into the Hmong community visit http://successgoal.124online.com. This is not a get rich quick thing. It's a 24 months program.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: tokio on July 20, 2011, 07:03:22 PM
I seen one guy with 40 people under him only making a $600-$700 paycheck.  I can bust a little overtime, and be satisfied close to that.  I got asked to join by one hmong guy who was a silver star or someshit, he had over 100 and he said he was making $8K...

But like someone mentioned earlier, alot of these people dont even know the product/service they are selling.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: YAX on July 22, 2011, 02:40:20 PM
Individual results varies upon effort. People often quit in these business because they expect immediate 5 to 6 figure income in a short few months. Realistically, that just doesn't happen. Those that are successful in network marketing are willing to take long term risk and understand that financial success comes over a period of years. I'm sure the dude is a very successful guy and if we all put enough effort into whatever we do, we can succeed financially as well. Being at the top of the chain definitely helps. If you guys want to be on top of the chain in an opportunity that is just starting to break into the Hmong community visit http://successgoal.124online.com. This is not a get rich quick thing. It's a 24 months program.
  that's the "nice" way of putting it.  yes.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Luther on July 22, 2011, 05:59:33 PM
Thai Thao from Sounders is very well off financially.

I'm not going to enclosed how much he makes but his yearly income is in the six digits.

My uncle was one of the original founding fathers of The Sounders.





Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: kavntug on August 02, 2011, 07:21:42 PM
I don't know about $40,000 a month....at least consistently but he does have a nice house and cars.  He got lucky and was on top of the pyramids a few times.
He has to be doing more than $40,000 per monthly consistently because he's at $500K now and is projected to be at $700K by the end of 2011.  I guess working hard does pay off.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: moo_cow on August 03, 2011, 02:05:22 AM
Hahahahahahaha haha why don't you people actually go and ask him personally instead of just guessing what he is really making. I know he's not making anything. Why because I know people who know him on a personal level. And first financial is a 3rd party company, those aren't even their policies there, that they're selling. LMAO!
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: tubyaj on August 03, 2011, 02:53:06 PM
Unless, the real Thai Thao is onboard and tells us (even then many people will always fudge the number)...everyone here is just guessing.  I know he's at least getting something to afford what he could afford.  However, this being said we are in America...the land of debt so it's tough to tell.  Only real proof would be info from the IRS....and that ain't going to happen.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: NkaujNom on August 03, 2011, 05:53:13 PM
^Just find Thai Thao and talk to him. Friendly guy. :)
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: tubyaj on August 04, 2011, 03:05:56 PM
^Just find Thai Thao and talk to him. Friendly guy. :)

You're right he's very friendly....al ways been a very talkative person and outgoing.  However, I hate to say it but I don't really care too much about how much people make so I never bring up the question.  I only ask people when the seek advice on how much they can afford this or that....
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: hmoobxwbos on August 07, 2011, 06:56:26 PM
Unless, the real Thai Thao is onboard and tells us

He frequents PH. I'm sure he's well aware of this post.  :-X
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: potus on August 08, 2011, 02:00:02 PM
i love how all these mlm guys will try to recruit you by inflating their income but when you ask to see a 1099 or schedule c they give you some bs excuse.  don't be awed by their high priced cars either because they are leased and/or rented to give people that image of wealth.  i'm not hating on these guys.  i just wish they'd grow a conscience and quit trying to cheat the dumb and ignorant.  :knuppel2:

and one more thing, these mlm companies don't offer you any more opportunities than what a traditional company would.  all those world lending group guys (who are now in ffs) touting their $100k+ commisions doing real estate loans during the boom aren't that special.  i knew plenty of acquaintances who were doing well above that with more traditional lending companies/banks and didn't have to deal with all the crap that came with mlm (ie uplines, recruiting, dumb meetings).  ffs doesn't offer anymore opportunities than a traditional investing/life insurance firm.  anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is a liar and snake. O0
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: YAX on August 08, 2011, 06:22:05 PM
and keep in mind, it's now how much they make, it's how much they have left over to spend after all the bills and FEES are paid.  some of these guys have way higher bills than the normal person.  ;)
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: kojtusphabej on August 09, 2011, 11:52:49 AM
I've been to this FFS and Advisors of America meetings...bee n involved in Monavie, etc...a bunch of bogus...someon e mentioned earlier, these guys don't even know the product or services they are selling and how it really works...buttom line is you have to invest a good chunk of money monthly  and then work your ass in getting people to join before you can make "some" money...if you are the first few on top and even then...it's not enough to quit your day job...I feel sorry for these folks because they are so energetic at it hoping to make money but they don't know what the heck they are doing...worst no one is charged with a crime yet...you have to be careful in your presentation because you could be committing security fraud or violating any of the state laws regarding pyrimid scheme.

Interested...t ake a look at this...no recruiting and no downline required to make money...it's not a get rich quick program but you do make money about 2% daily of the money you put in...check it out...http://www.justbeenpaid.com/?r=tjjjss&p=98-2-1

Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: J. on August 10, 2011, 07:59:11 AM
^Just find Thai Thao and talk to him. Friendly guy. :)

 O0
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: moo_cow on August 10, 2011, 07:08:12 PM
I've been to this FFS and Advisors of America meetings...bee n involved in Monavie, etc...a bunch of bogus...someon e mentioned earlier, these guys don't even know the product or services they are selling and how it really works...buttom line is you have to invest a good chunk of money monthly  and then work your ass in getting people to join before you can make "some" money...if you are the first few on top and even then...it's not enough to quit your day job...I feel sorry for these folks because they are so energetic at it hoping to make money but they don't know what the heck they are doing...worst no one is charged with a crime yet...you have to be careful in your presentation because you could be committing security fraud or violating any of the state laws regarding pyrimid scheme.

Interested...t ake a look at this...no recruiting and no downline required to make money...it's not a get rich quick program but you do make money about 2% daily of the money you put in...check it out...http://www.justbeenpaid.com/?r=tjjjss&p=98-2-1



Hahahaha isn't that a virus I think I have a virus in my computer now!
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: moo_cow on August 10, 2011, 07:08:33 PM
and keep in mind, it's now how much they make, it's how much they have left over to spend after all the bills and FEES are paid.  some of these guys have way higher bills than the normal person.  ;)

 O0
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Gemini on August 10, 2011, 07:18:54 PM
There is a new generation of victims every 10-20 years for MLM.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: potus on August 11, 2011, 10:35:57 AM
Unless you guys are talking about NET INCOME/NET PROFIT then 700k is nothing...it's like me saying I traded millions of dollar in securities but didn't make jack.

yup that's why they refuse to show 1099 and schedule c's.  :knuppel2:
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: kyang81 on August 11, 2011, 06:36:46 PM
My cousin joined, he called me up the other day and asked me if I wanted to buy life insurance or if I already had a policy.  I asked him how are you going to sell your policies if you can't even speak proper english and you don't even know your policies he said it's easy all you do is follow the form so if the question is do you smoke, you ask the customer MR. Lee do you smoke?  If they answer yes u check yes, if they answer no you check no.   :2funny: that's all you've gotta do.  I started laughing, he insisted that I attend the a training seminar with him this weekend, I told him if I go this weekend i'm only going to get you fired because i'm going to go and laugh at all of their faces.  

I'm sure many of have heard the typical lines, Don't be mad at us when we're rich and say that we never told you, or in a month i'm going to be making lots of money and i'm going to be driving a mercedes LOL.  Yet many of them end up coming back to reality when they've pourded thousands of dollars into a worthless scheme and product and when you ask them what went wrong they shut up and don't say a thing.

I think it's pretty low how they are trying to recruit people of all ages to do this kind of crap, especially the ones who don't even know what they're saying, can't even speak english and don't even know how to read to come to there meetings and try them to get to sign on and pay fees to join.  It's a shame how low some people have gotten, scamming folks to make a living for themselves.  These are the same folks who were at WLG, won't the hmong community ever learn that they go from one MLM scam to another once the market has dried out in the old one they develop a new scheme and start all over again.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: yeleng22 on August 11, 2011, 11:20:13 PM
All those big number income is bogus.  A couple that I know was in the top 20 seller for FFS last year and won a vacation to Hawaii only earned around 60K.  That's both of them being agents and putting all the sales under one name.  However, that 60K doesn't even include all their travel expenses and such.  So if you work as hard as them, 60+ hours a week, you can get that salary.  But like you guys mentioned, the market is not viable for long because all the 75% of the agents at conventions are Hmongs... and there are not that many Hmongs.  Maybe if you are willing to try other nationalities, it could become a sufficient mean of income for a while, but definitely not something to work towards as a career and retirement.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: leelue on August 13, 2011, 02:47:23 AM
For those of you that are so curious about Thai Thao making $500,000 per year and want to know the truth.. Then, why don't guys just call Thai himself to find out?? Why you guys so afraid to find out the truth?
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Gibson on August 13, 2011, 12:15:19 PM
My cousin joined, he called me up the other day and asked me if I wanted to buy life insurance or if I already had a policy.  I asked him how are you going to sell your policies if you can't even speak proper english and you don't even know your policies he said it's easy all you do is follow the form so if the question is do you smoke, you ask the customer MR. Lee do you smoke?  If they answer yes u check yes, if they answer no you check no.   :2funny: that's all you've gotta do.  I started laughing, he insisted that I attend the a training seminar with him this weekend, I told him if I go this weekend i'm only going to get you fired because i'm going to go and laugh at all of their faces.  

I'm sure many of have heard the typical lines, Don't be mad at us when we're rich and say that we never told you, or in a month i'm going to be making lots of money and i'm going to be driving a mercedes LOL.  Yet many of them end up coming back to reality when they've pourded thousands of dollars into a worthless scheme and product and when you ask them what went wrong they shut up and don't say a thing.

I think it's pretty low how they are trying to recruit people of all ages to do this kind of crap, especially the ones who don't even know what they're saying, can't even speak english and don't even know how to read to come to there meetings and try them to get to sign on and pay fees to join.  It's a shame how low some people have gotten, scamming folks to make a living for themselves.  These are the same folks who were at WLG, won't the hmong community ever learn that they go from one MLM scam to another once the market has dried out in the old one they develop a new scheme and start all over again.

sad to see families broken up because of stupid things like this.  i no of a couple thats this and their inlaws, sisters and brothers won't even talk to them anymore.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: kyang81 on August 13, 2011, 02:46:16 PM
For those of you that are so curious about Thai Thao making $500,000 per year and want to know the truth.. Then, why don't guys just call Thai himself to find out?? Why you guys so afraid to find out the truth?


You must be a believer, you'll be back to tell us sooner or later that we were right.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: leelue on August 13, 2011, 04:13:59 PM
sad to see families broken up because of stupid things like this.  i no of a couple thats this and their inlaws, sisters and brothers won't even talk to them anymore.

I am sorry that u feel this way, but if u so concern about helping the Hmong people, then u find a better way to help them.. It is so sad that like u and I speak perfect English, but does not do anything to help instead of complain only.. If u have question about this FFS opportunity, then call me at 559-930-2656.. Please do not block your phone so we can talk constructively .. I hope this will help you to clear your mind little bit...
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: leelue on August 13, 2011, 04:17:29 PM
So I heard that Thai Thao from Sounders who is also a lead guy in First Financial Security is making $40,000/month; that's $480,000/year?

That's a lot of money. Any truth to this?

To answer your question, it is so true!!! Correction: Thai Thao make $500,000 per year and if u have any question, then call me at 559-930-25656 and don't block your phone.. Lue Lee


Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: leelue on August 13, 2011, 04:40:23 PM
sad to see families broken up because of stupid things like this.  i no of a couple thats this and their inlaws, sisters and brothers won't even talk to them anymore.

You must be a believer, you'll be back to tell us sooner or later that we were right.

I come back to tell u that u were right.. I living my dream everyday.. I have my Mercedes-Benz and I only make $170,000 per now.. If u have any doubts about it, then call me at 559-930-2656 and don't block your phone. I will be more than happy to share it u..,
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Gibson on August 13, 2011, 09:26:35 PM
I come back to tell u that u were right.. I living my dream everyday.. I have my Mercedes-Benz and I only make $170,000 per now.. If u have any doubts about it, then call me at 559-930-2656 and don't block your phone. I will be more than happy to share it u..,

keep living the dream.  all geh moua needs is only 10 big dreamers.  lmao.

i'm open to conversation.  but, if i tell u i'm not interested will u go away?  or will keep harassing me like other ffs folks?  it seems u ppl dont understand the world 'no.' 
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: kyang81 on August 14, 2011, 01:55:23 PM
I come back to tell u that u were right.. I living my dream everyday.. I have my Mercedes-Benz and I only make $170,000 per now.. If u have any doubts about it, then call me at 559-930-2656 and don't block your phone. I will be more than happy to share it u..,

Let me ask you a question, how do you as a FFS representative feel when you guys heard in many older hmong folks who speak if any or very little english and have them sign up as an agent?  Do you guys have a sense of morals that these folks who have very little income, rely on there SSI checks and you are asking them to sign up for something you and I and many of us know that they are not capable of ever doing?  You know for sure that the many people that attends your convention or training seminars in the end will fail and only a mere 2% if even will succeed so why push a product that you know eventually is going to fail.  You have some of the same guys, the moua brothers at the top of FFS, who were at WLG, doesn't that send out a red flag?  Every time someone asks that questions, the number one answer is WLG failed because the economy was bad?  Well if that is true and FFS is structured not to fail, then how will it succeed if the economy is still bad?  Most of your representative s can't even explain what their products are, or don't even know what they're doing.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: leelue on August 14, 2011, 02:40:50 PM
Let me ask you a question, how do you as a FFS representative feel when you guys heard in many older hmong folks who speak if any or very little english and have them sign up as an agent?  Do you guys have a sense of morals that these folks who have very little income, rely on there SSI checks and you are asking them to sign up for something you and I and many of us know that they are not capable of ever doing?  You know for sure that the many people that attends your convention or training seminars in the end will fail and only a mere 2% if even will succeed so why push a product that you know eventually is going to fail.  You have some of the same guys, the moua brothers at the top of FFS, who were at WLG, doesn't that send out a red flag?  Every time someone asks that questions, the number one answer is WLG failed because the economy was bad?  Well if that is true and FFS is structured not to fail, then how will it succeed if the economy is still bad?  Most of your representative s can't even explain what their products are, or don't even know what they're doing.

LadyGem,
I did post my phone in here, right!!! Call me and ask me personally..  I will be more than happy to share it you..
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: ladygem on August 14, 2011, 02:50:22 PM
leelue,

why didn't you pick up your phone? scared to waste your prepaid minutes?

Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: leelue on August 14, 2011, 03:33:12 PM
leelue,

why didn't you pick up your phone? scared to waste your prepaid minutes?


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Haha..Rite!!!  Like u call me!! Then, let me call u... I did not receive any phone call from u cuz iPhone loogged every incoming call. I post my phone in here.. If u r true to what u say, then what is your phone!! Oh!! I forgot u afraid to post it here!!
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: leelue on August 14, 2011, 07:38:58 PM
keep living the dream.  all geh moua needs is only 10 big dreamers.  lmao.

i'm open to conversation.  but, if i tell u i'm not interested will u go away?  or will keep harassing me like other ffs folks?  it seems u ppl dont understand the world 'no.' 

I am a very straight forward person. I never harass anyone if they are not interest cuz this business is not for everyone.
I am not totally agree other FFS team member's approach, but people are different in their way. Your time is very valuable and so is my time.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: kyang81 on August 15, 2011, 10:20:16 AM
I am a very straight forward person. I never harass anyone if they are not interest cuz this business is not for everyone.
I am not totally agree other FFS team member's approach, but people are different in their way. Your time is very valuable and so is my time.

If you can't even answer my questions here what makes me think that you're going to be able to answer my questions over the phone.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: potus on August 15, 2011, 11:14:54 AM
you guys stating what you make per year from ffs don't mean diddy.  we could ask thai thao but why?  it isn't like he'll be upfront and honest; two words that you mlm folks seem to not comprehend.  put your money where your mouth is and post some scans of your 1099 or schedule c.  i could come online and state that last fiscal year my business made $1.2million but that doesn't mean shit....cause in the end my schedule c tells the truth.  :idiot2:

Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: leelue on August 15, 2011, 12:39:03 PM
you guys stating what you make per year from ffs don't mean diddy.  we could ask thai thao but why?  it isn't like he'll be upfront and honest; two words that you mlm folks seem to not comprehend.  put your money where your mouth is and post some scans of your 1099 or schedule c.  i could come online and state that last fiscal year my business made $1.2million but that doesn't mean shit....cause in the end my schedule c tells the truth.  :idiot2:



Thai Thao have already spoken by pretending to a Carrran Posche, GEL Mercedes Class, and live on a $800,000 home.. The truth speaks itself.. Where is your online 1099 get u (a use Honda Civic) and I guess u have no fake online 1099 that why u live theGehetto house, huh??? I'm sorry, but u ask for it.. Your username represent u perfectly as an idiot!!!! So, put your money where your mouth is at cuz Thai Thao did!!!
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: potus on August 15, 2011, 01:02:54 PM
Thai Thao have already spoken by pretending to a Carrran Posche, GEL Mercedes Class, and live on a $800,000 home.. The truth speaks itself.. Where is your online 1099 get u (a use Honda Civic) and I guess u have no fake online 1099 that why u live theGehetto house, huh??? I'm sorry, but u ask for it.. Your username represent u perfectly as an idiot!!!! So, put your money where your mouth is at cuz Thai Thao did!!!

more stating of "income" and "possessions".  whoohoo!   ::) i don't come online to brag;  you and your dumb mlm associates do so post up your 1099's to back up your talk or get the fcuk out.  and sorry but porsches, mercedes and $800,000 homes don't impress me much.  post up his 1099 and  balance sheet and we'll see if his and your net worths constitute your bragging ways or not. 

if i were in ffs and making what you guys claim to make i would plaster my 1099 all over the interweb for maximum recruiting opportunities.  seems like a smart idea.  you guys are "smart businessmen".  i'm surprised you haven't thought of that idea yet.

i'll end it with this.  i have a really good friend.  he collects cars: old 90's japanese turbo cars, 80's muscle cars, 60's classics, bmw mseries, benz smg's.  also has a $2mil+ home in san louis obispo.  lives a great life;  wealthy and single.  i should be envious...exce pt i see his balance sheet.  he's worth more dead than alive as his debts outweigh his assets.  the only stupid one is you for assuming that people will be impressed by anyone's said material possessions. 
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: leelue on August 15, 2011, 01:22:33 PM
U want to know the truth and I am telling you the truth.. I am sorry that u can not handle so next time don't ask.... Oh.. About Poseche and Mercedes does matter cuz u don't have one... I rest my case and peace to u...
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: hmoobxwbos on August 15, 2011, 01:49:11 PM
There’s no doubt about it, Thai Thao and the Moua brothers make $$$ from FFS. Look at all the Hmong people they draw in and have recruited, Fresno, Sacramento, St. Paul, Wausau, North Carolina! Have you guys seen these conventions they hold? It’s packed with Hmong people, hundreds…maybe at least a thousand folks! These guys, especially the Moua brothers have been in the MLM business long enough. Thai Thao grew under their wings during the WLG years when mortgage lending was at its prime. I don’t know if you guys have had a chance to hear him speak but he’s very charismatic and has a I-grew-up-poor-but-now-I’m-successful story to sell.

The only way to the top in these type of MLM businesses is by screwing their own people over, especially the un-educated. 
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: potus on August 15, 2011, 01:58:15 PM
U want to know the truth and I am telling you the truth.. I am sorry that u can not handle so next time don't ask.... Oh.. About Poseche and Mercedes does matter cuz u don't have one... I rest my case and peace to u...

show ur 1099 or shut the fcuk up.  u said you make $170k/yr and you have nothing to hide so why hide proof of your business earnings from ffs??  

cars don't mean diddy.  i've seen hmong guys work 2 jobs at warehouses and drive around bmw's like they're hot shit.  i've seen hmong families living in the ghettos with a driveway full with bmw's, lexus, benz and even a viper.  all that money wasted to portray an image of wealth...stupi d.  ask brain moua about that...record shows that he just lost a house to foreclosure recently.  and wasn't yia moua's mom soliciting for donations for her son...wasn't he supposedly one of your high rollers as well?  i'm sure if given enough time and info i could find others in your group who have lost homes and cars trying to fake your rich lives.  ::)
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: kyang81 on August 15, 2011, 03:37:01 PM
Thai Thao have already spoken by pretending to a Carrran Posche, GEL Mercedes Class, and live on a $800,000 home.. The truth speaks itself.. Where is your online 1099 get u (a use Honda Civic) and I guess u have no fake online 1099 that why u live theGehetto house, huh??? I'm sorry, but u ask for it.. Your username represent u perfectly as an idiot!!!! So, put your money where your mouth is at cuz Thai Thao did!!!

I didn't know Mercedes started making a GEL class, and anyone here who makes 30k plus a year could afford the cheapest model porsche it's MSRP price is only listed at 48k and that's brand new.  You can get a brand new mercedes C class for 34k, so what's your point???  Just because someone drives a mercedes or a porsche doesn't necessarily mean that they're rich.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: leelue on August 15, 2011, 03:40:23 PM
show ur 1099 or shut the fcuk up.  u said you make $170k/yr and you have nothing to hide so why hide proof of your business earnings from ffs??  

cars don't mean diddy.  i've seen hmong guys work 2 jobs at warehouses and drive around bmw's like they're hot shit.  i've seen hmong families living in the ghettos with a driveway full with bmw's, lexus, benz and even a viper.  all that money wasted to portray an image of wealth...stupi d.  ask brain moua about that...record shows that he just lost a house to foreclosure recently.  and wasn't yia moua's mom soliciting for donations for her son...wasn't he supposedly one of your high rollers as well?  i'm sure if given enough time and info i could find others in your group who have lost homes and cars trying to fake your rich lives.  ::)
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I can feel that u a very bitter, means, and unhappy person cuz life beat down on u for all these years.. And u have no hopes and dreams anymore... It's ok cuz FFS will give u hopes and teach u how to dream again... I don't why u r jealous of few Hmong be wealthy, but u working wealthy white boss, then u r so happy... I just don't understand those people like u... Let Thai Thao live his dream n keep on dreaming ok...
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: DeceiversChick on August 15, 2011, 04:15:57 PM
This is sad. I work directly for a financial wholesaler and let me tell you. Majority of agents do not know what products they are selling to their clients. We have clients who calls in every day demanding how their product works, what are the surrender fee's, etc. Hell, I use to get call's from agents stating they didn' tknow they sold this certain product but knew it was just an insurance product.

Please please Please educate  yourself and other agents on how these products work and if it's even suitable for your client. Why don't you guys start telling your clients the fine lines? Heck attend the wholesalers conferences too and get to know the home office people. We are here to answer your questions if you have no clue either.

I can tell most of you agents are not looking for the best interest of your client.  :-X

Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: potus on August 15, 2011, 04:37:38 PM
the only conferences they attend are the "leaders shindig" and "training" conferences for more recruits so they can qualify for that crappy trip at the end of the year.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: hmoobxwbos on August 15, 2011, 04:38:40 PM
Thai Thao have already spoken by pretending to a Carrran Posche, GEL Mercedes Class, and live on a $800,000 home..

Actually, his home is only worth half of that. You should be honest. Unless Thai Thao is telling everyone he lives in a $800,000 home, then that would be a lie. Maybe it was valued at $800,000 at one point but not in today's market! :P
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: potus on August 15, 2011, 04:45:06 PM
Actually, his home is only worth half of that. You should be honest. Unless Thai Thao is telling everyone he lives in a $800,000 home, then that would be a lie. Maybe it was valued at $800,000 at one point but not in today's market! :P

i guess this is thai thao then.  it's refreshing to know that atleast ONE person from ffs is honest.  and what your saying sounds very familiar...hmm m...oh yeah!  i stated the very same thing in another thread!  who would have thought that little dumb me knew more about thai thao's home value than the idiot that works with him, lue lee! 

infact, what is thai thao's wife's name??  i will verify whether his house is worth $800k pre or post real estate bubble.  seeing as how he lives in fresno i am pretty sure his house is only worth around $300k now.  not much to brag about when he is probably negative in equity.  :P
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: DeceiversChick on August 15, 2011, 04:47:16 PM
the only conferences they attend are the "leaders shindig" and "training" conferences for more recruits to they can qualify for that crappy trip at the end of the year.
That's perfectly fine when they host their own trainings.

Here's a tip: If you don't like your agent to receive trailed commission, get your app processed and through the door, wait a few months and then send in a letter stating you want your agent removed with no commission pay. Let your account be under the house account so the agent will not get the trailing commission.  O0 :D
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: leelue on August 15, 2011, 06:00:11 PM
i guess this is thai thao then.  it's refreshing to know that atleast ONE person from ffs is honest.  and what your saying sounds very familiar...hmm m...oh yeah!  i stated the very same thing in another thread!  who would have thought that little dumb me knew more about thai thao's home value than the idiot that works with him, lue lee! 


The no idiot have nothing to show except arguing..
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: kavntug on August 15, 2011, 06:32:36 PM
This is too funny.  It looks like people were angry at some point.  I mean so what if the guy is making that kind of money!  I do know that it's not easy being a leader.  Got a chance to talk to him at a wedding party in Ohio and thought the guy was very inspirational.  I like him as a person and I know others do too.  I truly believe that one can be successful at anything that they do if that individual can inspire others to follow him/her.   I know he was able to inspired a lot of people while we're there just simply talking. 
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: potus on August 15, 2011, 09:18:13 PM
no one is jealous here of any hmong brother.   ::)  it's just silly of y'all to come online to brag about your company and your wealth and expect us to take your words as the bible.  saying that thai thao is on track to make $700k/yr, has a porsche and mercedes and a $800k home doesn't go too far in making us believers.  lue lee stated that those financial stats for thai thao was true and that he himself was making $170k/yr.  that's fine but prove it.  if you go around using those stats to recruit people for your business then you should be able to prove it when others doubt you.  words don't mean diddy.  ::)
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: leelue on August 15, 2011, 10:26:31 PM
Thai Thao have already spoken by pretending to a Carrran Posche, GEL Mercedes Class, and live on a $800,000 home.. The truth speaks itself.. Where is your online 1099 get u (a use Honda Civic) and I guess u have no fake online 1099 that why u live theGehetto house, huh??? I'm sorry, but u ask for it.. Your username represent u perfectly as an idiot!!!! So, put your money where your mouth is at cuz Thai Thao did!!!
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:-)) don't angry for thing u don't have!!! U want to know,"if it is true that Thai Thao making that kind of money". I tell u n u getting upset by calling people names.. Wow... We know what kind of person u r now... I owe u an apology if I offending u ok!!!
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: tubyaj on August 16, 2011, 12:28:33 PM
Thai bought his home for < $600,000 (in 2004/2005) but now it's probably worth around $400,000 and change...yes during the peak 2006/2007 it was probably valued at around $800,000.  He's a great guy but since he is also a businessman/salesman you just have to be weary of that side of him....this goes with the territory.  Your most trust worthy friend may not always equate to your best business partner.  Bottom line is that he does work hard to get where he is and is content for the time being......he doesn't have a nice goverment job with a golden pension so whether he can keep going is the key.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: kavntug on August 16, 2011, 05:37:27 PM
Thai bought his home for < $600,000 (in 2004/2005) but now it's probably worth around $400,000 and change...yes during the peak 2006/2007 it was probably valued at around $800,000.  He's a great guy but since he is also a businessman/salesman you just have to be weary of that side of him....this goes with the territory.  Your most trust worthy friend may not always equate to your best business partner.  Bottom line is that he does work hard to get where he is and is content for the time being......he doesn't have a nice goverment job with a golden pension so whether he can keep going is the key.

I don't know about anyone else but I know I can't count totally on my 'nice' gov't pension being there for me at retirement either.  Total benefits including my 403b from the education field is not as good compare to when I first started 10 years ago.  I'm sure it's the same everywhere.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: YAX on August 16, 2011, 05:58:43 PM
I don't know about anyone else but I know I can't count totally on my 'nice' gov't pension being there for me at retirement either.  Total benefits including my 403b from the education field is not as good compare to when I first started 10 years ago.  I'm sure it's the same everywhere.
  and so you would resort to being conned into buying from FFS then recruit and ask others to buy from you too so that you can build a good retirement?  Why if, in the end it costs you more than you made.  Then what will you do next?
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: tubyaj on August 16, 2011, 06:08:24 PM
I don't know about anyone else but I know I can't count totally on my 'nice' gov't pension being there for me at retirement either.  Total benefits including my 403b from the education field is not as good compare to when I first started 10 years ago.  I'm sure it's the same everywhere.

The point is if you have a good goverment job with a pension (or even a private job with good 401k benefit) you at least have that to look forward to.  People who strictly live of these business only do it for the short term...perhaps .  If they don't know how to save or invest what they make they are going to be out of luck in the future.....bes ides the SS.  The Moua fighting machine died broke as a few other hot shots that are back in square one.....MC Hammer yada yada...though he didn't do MLM.  ;D
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: kavntug on August 16, 2011, 06:28:47 PM
  and so you would resort to being conned into buying from FFS then recruit and ask others to buy from you too so that you can build a good retirement?  Why if, in the end it costs you more than you made.  Then what will you do next?

I think you're a bit harsh here and assume things.  My point is that I don't think anyone can count on what they're having anymore and that's all.  Don't jump into conclusion!  Whether anyone is going to buy it from FFS or not, the choice is yours.  We're adults here so whatever you decide will be just fine.  FYI:  I met Mr. Thao a few months ago in Ohio and not once did he try to sell me anything nor ask for my contact info.  As I mentioned on my previous post, I like the guy as a person.  I find him to be very inspirational.  
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: YAX on August 16, 2011, 06:44:36 PM
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Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: DeceiversChick on August 18, 2011, 10:01:13 AM
Gawd I love meeting old friends!  :2funny:

Anyways on Tue night my s/o and I had dinner at a buffet. Soon as we were done we were walking out and someone tapped me on the shoulders. I turned around and it was an old friend from junior high. I hugged her and we chatted for 5 minutes then exchanged numbers. Next day ( yesterday) she call's me while i was still walking at the lake. She said she was so happy to run into me and would love to invite me over for dinner. Here i'm thinking YES we need to catch up. Then she goes My husband is good friends with Bee and Thai from sounders. They will be in town next week and I would love for you to come over for dinner. Then I said Bee and Thai? Oh they're with FFS right? Then she said Yes they are. I asked Why are they in MN? She said Oh they're here for a convention and were going to stop by so I wanted you to come over for dinner. Then I said OH! I can't cause it'll be a conflict of interest. She said Why? I said Cause I work for an insurance company. Then she asks Which company? Then I told her which one and she said OH that one. Well regardless you should still come over for dinner. Then I told her I also sold makeup on the side and we chatted for a bit. Finally she said I will text you when we have dinner set and you should come over. I told her Yes definitely text me and if time permits i'll stop by.

The second I hung up I turned to my s/o and laughed and said Really? This is what old friends call me up for? He laughed too. I said I'm glad I work in an insurance company cause I can use that it's a conflict of interest as an excuse. He says Yea that's a good one. Then we got in the car and drove off.

So for those who are curious now's your chance to talk to Thai about his successful business. I, in the other hand, am not interested so i will not be attending dinner.  :D
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: potus on August 18, 2011, 10:44:41 AM
don't you love how shady your friends become once they join these mlm companies.  i have never met one person who was upfront about this shit.  why all the stuttering and evasiveness?  it's like you have to learn "shiesty 101" as a prerequisite to joining ffs.  these guys should go read the "living beyond your means" thread in general discussion.   O0

one more thing: dc, according to lue lee, if your friend drives a luxury car then that means she's stinking rich and successful from ffs and that you should grovel at her feet in the hopes that you'll get the privilege to join and learn from the masters of finances; nevermind the fact that they're not qualified for shit.  ;D
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: kyang81 on August 18, 2011, 10:45:33 AM
Gawd I love meeting old friends!  :2funny:

Anyways on Tue night my s/o and I had dinner at a buffet. Soon as we were done we were walking out and someone tapped me on the shoulders. I turned around and it was an old friend from junior high. I hugged her and we chatted for 5 minutes then exchanged numbers. Next day ( yesterday) she call's me while i was still walking at the lake. She said she was so happy to run into me and would love to invite me over for dinner. Here i'm thinking YES we need to catch up. Then she goes My husband is good friends with Bee and Thai from sounders. They will be in town next week and I would love for you to come over for dinner. Then I said Bee and Thai? Oh they're with FFS right? Then she said Yes they are. I asked Why are they in MN? She said Oh they're here for a convention and were going to stop by so I wanted you to come over for dinner. Then I said OH! I can't cause it'll be a conflict of interest. She said Why? I said Cause I work for an insurance company. Then she asks Which company? Then I told her which one and she said OH that one. Well regardless you should still come over for dinner. Then I told her I also sold makeup on the side and we chatted for a bit. Finally she said I will text you when we have dinner set and you should come over. I told her Yes definitely text me and if time permits i'll stop by.

The second I hung up I turned to my s/o and laughed and said Really? This is what old friends call me up for? He laughed too. I said I'm glad I work in an insurance company cause I can use that it's a conflict of interest as an excuse. He says Yea that's a good one. Then we got in the car and drove off.

So for those who are curious now's your chance to talk to Thai about his successful business. I, in the other hand, am not interested so i will not be attending dinner.  :D


I say go, we'll give you a list of questions and you can come back and let us know how it went!  LOL
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: kyang81 on August 18, 2011, 10:47:54 AM
don't you love how shady your friends become once they join these mlm companies.  i have never met one person who was upfront about this shit.  why all the stuttering and evasiveness?  it's like you have to learn "shiesty 101" as a prerequisite to joining ffs.  these guys should go read the "living beyond your means" thread in general discussion.   O0

one more thing: dc, according to lue lee, if your friend drives a luxury car then that means she's stinking rich and successful from ffs and that you should grovel at her feet in the hopes that you'll get the privilege to join and learn from the masters of finances; nevermind the fact that they're not qualified for shit.  ;D

And they say it isn't about recruiting, LOL

https://www.ffs-leaders.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=FpP7W%2FAiUaU%3D&tabid=36 (https://www.ffs-leaders.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=FpP7W%2FAiUaU%3D&tabid=36)
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: DeceiversChick on August 18, 2011, 10:57:58 AM
I say go, we'll give you a list of questions and you can come back and let us know how it went!  LOL
Actually I can't go cause I would get fired from my current job if my employer found out. Also the friend should know better not to invite me anymore since i work for an insurance company.

However if you're interested in a free dinner I can call her up and she can give you direction. LOL


I had an ex sister in law from WI text me about FFS too. She knew i worked for an insurance company but didn't know what kind of insurance. She asked me if i was interested in becoming an agent. I told her I can't cause it's a conflict of interest and she never asked me again. eheheheh
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: DeceiversChick on August 18, 2011, 11:04:50 AM
don't you love how shady your friends become once they join these mlm companies.  i have never met one person who was upfront about this shit.  why all the stuttering and evasiveness?  it's like you have to learn "shiesty 101" as a prerequisite to joining ffs.  these guys should go read the "living beyond your means" thread in general discussion.   O0

one more thing: dc, according to lue lee, if your friend drives a luxury car then that means she's stinking rich and successful from ffs and that you should grovel at her feet in the hopes that you'll get the privilege to join and learn from the masters of finances; nevermind the fact that they're not qualified for shit.  ;D
Yea that's one thing I dislike. Every pyramid scheme always involve with beating around the bush verbiage as a get together, dinner, etc. Why can't you be upfront and just say I would like to introduce you to FFS leaders and show you some great opportunities.

Quite honestly, if i wanted to be an agent I can. I have the knowledge of annuities and I would be too blunt about the products I sell. I might not make any money though. ahahahah

Funny thing, I didn't ask my friend if she is a FFS rep or not. Most likely she is though. I should text her and ask if she has a luxury car huh? lol
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: kyang81 on August 18, 2011, 11:16:15 AM
Actually I can't go cause I would get fired from my current job if my employer found out. Also the friend should know better not to invite me anymore since i work for an insurance company.

However if you're interested in a free dinner I can call her up and she can give you direction. LOL


I had an ex sister in law from WI text me about FFS too. She knew i worked for an insurance company but didn't know what kind of insurance. She asked me if i was interested in becoming an agent. I told her I can't cause it's a conflict of interest and she never asked me again. eheheheh


No thanks!  LOL I spent an hour arguing with my cousin over FFS.  I recommended that he quit while he was only down a few hundred bucks but he insisted that I join and that we would make it big together.  I laughed many times in his face, he kept insisting that we would make it big, he said he was going to rack in 20k in less than 6 months  :2funny:.  

I'm from California anyways, they're always herding folks into their local regional offices here to join, I've had more than 15 people call me out of nowhere or text me out of nowhere that I haven't spoken to in years to come and sit down with them for a business opportunity.  It's amazing how much your friendship means to one when they need you to do them a favor! LOL
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: tubyaj on August 18, 2011, 11:22:40 AM
Actually I can't go cause I would get fired from my current job if my employer found out. Also the friend should know better not to invite me anymore since i work for an insurance company.


Perhaps but you shouldn't have second guessed your old friend for inviting you over for dinner.  She didn't directly say it was a business dinner.  I have had food with TT a few times in the past in various functions and nothing about MLM was ever talked.  Although you do have a few people asking him what he does then he explains it but that's it.  There's nothing wrong about trying to establish friendship and leaving the business aside.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: DeceiversChick on August 18, 2011, 11:23:48 AM
No thanks!  LOL I spent an hour arguing with my cousin over FFS.  I recommended that he quit while he was only down a few hundred bucks but he insisted that I join and that we would make it big together.  I laughed many times in his face, he kept insisting that we would make it big, he said he was going to rack in 20k in less than 6 months  :2funny:.  

I'm from California anyways, they're always herding folks into their local regional offices here to join, I've had more than 15 people call me out of nowhere or text me out of nowhere that I haven't spoken to in years to come and sit down with them for a business opportunity.  It's amazing how much your friendship means to one when they need you to do them a favor! LOL
  :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: hmoobxwbos on August 18, 2011, 11:54:31 AM
I doubt she's going to call you again or re-establish that friendship.

And of course with Thai and Bee, they use “The Sounders” as a way to entice new members.  ::)
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: potus on August 18, 2011, 12:08:34 PM
i've had the pleasure of sitting through a presentation from an acquaintance trying to sell "retirement" packages to me from ffs.  the way she stuttered through that sales pitch was cringe inducing;  very similar to back in highschool when that shy hmong girl would have to get up in front of the class and give a speech.  i didn't have time to waste sitting there while she regained her composure and read off her script so i simply told her thanks but no thanks and that i've been in business for myself for quite awhile and retirement planning had already taken care of by my financial advisor.

i also sat through a presentation for world financial group and the experience was very similar...not a shock!  unqualified rookie tries to stutter his way through a sales pitch for me to join while his "upline" stood there and watched in case i had questions because, of course, the rookie doesn't know anything about their company, complan or products.

these companies and uplines do more harm than good to their reputation when they recruit people who have no business in sales.  maybe they should require their "salesforce" to take public speaking and negotiations classes.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: kyang81 on August 18, 2011, 12:14:27 PM
i've had the pleasure of sitting through a presentation from an acquaintance trying to sell "retirement" packages to me from ffs.  the way she stuttered through that sales pitch was cringe inducing;  very similar to back in highschool when that shy hmong girl would have to get up in front of the class and give a speech.  i didn't have time to waste sitting there while she regained her composure and read off her script so i simply told her thanks but no thanks and that i've been in business for myself for quite awhile and retirement planning had already taken care of by my financial advisor.

i also sat through a presentation for world financial group and the experience was very similar...not a shock!  unqualified rookie tries to stutter his way through a sales pitch for me to join while his "upline" stood there and watched in case i had questions because, of course, the rookie doesn't know anything about their company, complan or products.

these companies and uplines do more harm than good to their reputation when they recruit people who have no business in sales.  maybe they should require their "salesforce" to take public speaking and negotiations classes.

My cousin attended one last week, he said the speaker couldn't even speak proper english and what he was trying to explain in english didn't even coincide with what was in the slide show. 
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: DeceiversChick on August 18, 2011, 01:10:25 PM
Quite honestly it's true. Majority of these so called agents do not know what they're selling.  I called the agents regarding the clients policy half of the time they didn't knowwhat they were selling. All they knew were it's just an annuity/life product.  Heck they didn't know what a rollover vs transfer vs 1035exchange was! Also they have no clue about NAIC state replacements. Every state differs and little do they explain what a replacement is or know what a replacement does.

This is just sad. I know there are hardworking financial advisors who does care and do know their shiet. They've been in business for 30+ years and know the in's and out of the financial industry but these newbies are just killing it.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: tubyaj on August 18, 2011, 01:35:17 PM
Quite honestly it's true. Majority of these so called agents do not know what they're selling.  

This is just sad. I know there are hardworking financial advisors who does care and do know their shiet. They've been in business for 30+ years and know the in's and out of the financial industry but these newbies are just killing it.


True.  A simple farmer can't just be a financia advisor overnight with a few seminars..... ;D
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: nightrider on August 18, 2011, 03:44:58 PM
I have a neice who came to me telling me to go work with her.  Telling me that she makes as much in 2 months as I do in a year... I told her good for her but I'm not interested...  ::)  She was quite relentless and started a spiel that when I'm old, wrinkled and still working she'll be well off and retired in the Bahamas.  God I don't get why people say this kind of shit.

Now, she makes $13 an hour doing some kind of reception work... And then blames it on you for not helping her make money buy being part of her chain... sheesh... some people will never learn.

I know, right? Almost every person whom comes to me and persuade me will use the same line.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: YAX on August 19, 2011, 03:15:27 PM
Sometimes they don't talk about how much more they're making than you are.  They tell you that they know this guy from Sounders who's making $$$ in the company and they also know XYZ who's making $$$ in the company and ....

You get the drift.

oh wait.. the point of it all:
In a good company, you're making the money.  In a bad company, you know people who are making money.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Lady_Fallin on August 31, 2011, 03:10:55 AM
You guys make me nervous.  I got a product from FFS, and am now debating on it... However, much of the complaint has been about the agents themselves, and not so much about their products.  Sh-it, I should do more research... *sigh

Similarly to stories before, my Uncle is in FFS and has been pestering us to join, but we refused.  He keeps telling us our education and degrees mean nothing. Business is the way to go.  I just roll my eyes, eat my bagel, and walk out the door.  But I'm guessing he's making enough money to be so persistent... Dude travels everywhere! 
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: DeceiversChick on August 31, 2011, 11:20:45 AM
You guys make me nervous.  I got a product from FFS, and am now debating on it... However, much of the complaint has been about the agents themselves, and not so much about their products.  Sh-it, I should do more research... *sigh


I'm going through a FFS agent and the company they contract with are not bad. I'm getting life insurance for my mom. The product and company are the same whereever you go. The FFS agent is actually a family friend and she is NOTHING like the other FFS agent. She doesn't bull shiet around, doesn't give you the runaround, doesn't recruit, and keeps me on tabs with the whole pending app. She has not utter one word about recruiting or how rich she will be in 2 years.

Now this is one agent I rather work with.  O0 8)  
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Lady_Fallin on August 31, 2011, 12:08:36 PM
I'm going through a FFS agent and the company they contract with are not bad. I'm getting life insurance for my mom. The product and company are the same whereever you go. The FFS agent is actually a family friend and she is NOTHING like the other FFS agent. She doesn't bull shiet around, doesn't give you the runaround, doesn't recruit, and keeps me on tabs with the whole pending app. She has not utter one word about recruiting or how rich she will be in 2 years.

Now this is one agent I rather work with.  O0 8) 

Thanks DC. :) That makes me feel a bit more confident in their product... but not so much their agents... :D
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: DeceiversChick on August 31, 2011, 12:21:39 PM
Thanks DC. :) That makes me feel a bit more confident in their product... but not so much their agents... :D
Well every company and product is going to vary. You will have to trust your agent and do your homework on which one is suitable for you.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: rice4u on August 31, 2011, 02:17:29 PM
I'm assuming FFS is a life insurance/retirement saving company?  What I don't understand is WHY so many Hmong get in these MLM or multi-level-marketing (tree,chain whatever you call it) business?  I remember last summer when my wife and I visit my in laws in Fresno and one of these insurance company agent came to present slide show for my wife's older sister. She was an easily trick person and almost felt for it, BUT lucky I was there. I told my wife to tell her (in private of course) she don't speak a lick of English and no experience in sales why the "F" she going to give out her hard earned money away,  But I gotta give props to that Hmong saleswoman, she dress in a tight black pant and tight blue shirt, very attractive, I'm sure if her client was a guy she probably got him to join. She was trying to get me to join, but I keep on changing the subject and joke here and there with her.

 The wife was jealous or mad LOL and the saleswoman went home dry and empty hand.

Hmong especially the younger generation should look into THE INTERNET, there are billions yes billions with a "B" to be made instead of joining those company and you have to work your a$$ off, driving, presentation,etc....  You will never like the "American Dream" on those kind of job.

We're living in AmeLeeKa. Phooj Ywg Peb need to work smarter and not harder (think i spell it right lol).
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: YAX on August 31, 2011, 04:19:06 PM
So I heard that Thai Thao from Sounders who is also a lead guy in First Financial Security is making $40,000/month; that's $480,000/year?

That's a lot of money. Any truth to this?


  I recall a Kungfu story where a Kungfu master beat up 4 of the Chinese Emperial soldiers.  By the time the story reached the Emperor, everyone said that he killed 40,000 soldiers. ;)
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: yuknowthat on September 02, 2011, 11:08:30 AM
You guys make me nervous.  I got a product from FFS, and am now debating on it... However, much of the complaint has been about the agents themselves, and not so much about their products.  Sh-it, I should do more research... *sigh

Similarly to stories before, my Uncle is in FFS and has been pestering us to join, but we refused. He keeps telling us our education and degrees mean nothing. Business is the way to go. I just roll my eyes, eat my bagel, and walk out the door.  But I'm guessing he's making enough money to be so persistent... Dude travels everywhere! 

did he really tell you that? really? well go them him how did he got his job and business....he did go to school to learn and be educated right? and a degree only shows that you have experiences and mastered in that field you were going through.. degree means nothing if you don't know how to use it..and company now and days will just not hired somebody from outside with a negotiation salary with bonus that easy no more, they rather hired someone with in the business with a lower salary offer and bonus because it'll see keep their business alive..that's why you see many with a degree and spending 8 years or so on it and comes out with no job..the best way to do it is ..be in that job field that you wanted to be whether it's a part time job or full time job and go to school to earn a degree on it..
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: DeceiversChick on September 07, 2011, 11:51:54 AM
Last night the bf's younger brother ( he's 20) and I all went out for dinner. We were all chatting and he mentioned that he wants to start his own business. The bf asked what kind of business? He said Life Insurance. Then the bf asked What company? The younger brother said FFS. The bf and our eyes lit up! LOL

The bf gave his two cents I gave mine. Overall the younger brother wants to make more money on the side. I said He should do it and experience it for himself so he knows what he is getting himself into. The bf said No cause it's not worth his time and he needs to attend college. Thats a better investment.

The chat went on and on and we will see if the younger brother will be doing FFS.  ;D
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Foreverme on September 08, 2011, 11:02:21 PM
Its crazy how one hmong man starts to make money in an area that most successful people do and he becomes a scam.  Ppl wants to see his profit his 1099, his way of living etc... However, when we see successful mainstream ppl make millions they are envied.  Thai Thao can make however much he wants...he is who he is because he, like any wealthy person worked hard for it.  We should applaud that now Hmong people are fighting to become as wealthy as other nationalities.  Geesh grow up!  GO THAI!  For fighting through all these criticisms.  Im sure like most successful ppl he is as humble and a great guy!!  Leave him alone.  Those who bash most, I am sure envy most.  I applaud Thai thao and all those who are successful in any area!  You are truly role models for most of us. 
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Foreverme on September 08, 2011, 11:09:17 PM
The product is great.  They are a marketing company that markets for a company that has been around for over 100 years.  Best product out right now.  Keep it...i have it for my kids and my husband and I.  We love it...2 years and our money has grown so well!!  So dont listen to others.  I did all my research already.  Some ppl are just negative...
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: aWorkinProgress on September 08, 2011, 11:40:15 PM
Thats it? Im aready making Ophra money and its just my first week, guess by the end of the year ill be bill gates rich
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: kyang81 on September 09, 2011, 01:23:17 AM
The product is great.  They are a marketing company that markets for a company that has been around for over 100 years.  Best product out right now.  Keep it...i have it for my kids and my husband and I.  We love it...2 years and our money has grown so well!!  So dont listen to others.  I did all my research already.  Some ppl are just negative...

What product do you have?  Would you mind sharing with us?  How much have your funds grown over the two years?  Are you a sales agent also?  If so educated us please, that's all we've been asking for, give us some pointers, tips, you know help us help you, or help us help the person who helped you.... O0
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: hmoobxwbos on September 09, 2011, 11:58:27 AM
Its crazy how one hmong man starts to make money in an area that most successful people do and he becomes a scam.  Ppl wants to see his profit his 1099, his way of living etc... However, when we see successful mainstream ppl make millions they are envied.  Thai Thao can make however much he wants...he is who he is because he, like any wealthy person worked hard for it.  We should applaud that now Hmong people are fighting to become as wealthy as other nationalities.  Geesh grow up!  GO THAI!  For fighting through all these criticisms.  Im sure like most successful ppl he is as humble and a great guy!!  Leave him alone.  Those who bash most, I am sure envy most.  I applaud Thai thao and all those who are successful in any area!  You are truly role models for most of us. 


Why does all the FFS people automatically assumes everyone envies then?   :2funny:
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: potus on September 09, 2011, 12:29:32 PM
i guess you ffs people either can't read too well or like to disregard everything and talk out of your asses.   ::) 

if you had read the thread thoroughly you would realize our arguments are legitimate.  but of course i don't expect you to read and acknowledge any of our points because chances are you're a ffs employee and you've been brainwashed to think you're always right and anyone who disagrees is jealous.  you were probably trained by your oh so great leader, senior marketing director lue lee, so i'm not surprised that your thoughts and behavior mirrors his. O0
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: janedoe on September 10, 2011, 02:18:44 PM
i heard ffs ppl is having a grand opening in anchorage today cuz i got invite by brother-in-law, but i have to go fishing.  it is salmon season so i have to go netfishing one last time before the snow fall.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: janedoe on September 10, 2011, 02:35:41 PM
i guess you ffs people either can't read too well or like to disregard everything and talk out of your asses.   ::) 

if you had read the thread thoroughly you would realize our arguments are legitimate.  but of course i don't expect you to read and acknowledge any of our points because chances are you're a ffs employee and you've been brainwashed to think you're always right and anyone who disagrees is jealous.  you were probably trained by your oh so great leader, senior marketing director lue lee, so i'm not surprised that your thoughts and behavior mirrors his. O0

this is suppose to be an entrepreneuria l minds topic discussion, but apparently you don't have any of it.  cuz by reading following this thread you are the hardest critic toward the ffs ppl. you ? everything they do from their income to their background. it sounds to me like you have personal vengeance toward ffs ppl. what about you? what do you do? what is your background? can you tell us little bit about yourself.  i am interest to know you and your background cuz in alaska we don't have to many hmong ppl can communicate as good as you are. 
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: potus on September 12, 2011, 02:32:05 PM
this is suppose to be an entrepreneuria l minds topic discussion, but apparently you don't have any of it.  cuz by reading following this thread you are the hardest critic toward the ffs ppl. you ? everything they do from their income to their background. it sounds to me like you have personal vengeance toward ffs ppl. what about you? what do you do? what is your background? can you tell us little bit about yourself.  i am interest to know you and your background cuz in alaska we don't have to many hmong ppl can communicate as good as you are. 


hello lue lee.  nice of you to join us again.   O0

a businessman is only as good as his reputation.  prove to us that you deserve our respect and we'll give it.  until then, you are nothing but a sleazy little snake.  all talk, no action.  perfect person to represent first financial securities, inc.  why don't you have gilles and brian come on as well and join us in our "entrepreneuria l minds topic discussion?" :-*
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: janedoe on September 12, 2011, 03:15:41 PM
hello lue lee.  nice of you to join us again.   O0

a businessman is only as good as his reputation.  prove to us that you deserve our respect and we'll give it.  until then, you are nothing but a sleazy little snake.  all talk, no action.  perfect person to represent first financial securities, inc.  why don't you have gilles and brian come on as well and join us in our "entrepreneuria l minds topic discussion?" :-*

I don't think lue lee is the sleazy one. It is you. You are the sleazy one. Accuse everyone of everything, but you are perfect. I like lue lee cause he own you..  ;D
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: potus on September 12, 2011, 04:04:53 PM
I don't think lue lee is the sleazy one. It is you. You are the sleazy one. Accuse everyone of everything, but you are perfect. I like lue lee cause he own you..  ;D

hmmm lets see...

me:  still using my original nick within this thread and converstation.  proved that lue lee had a shady and inadequate business background.

lue lee:  disappeared after i peeled his egg online.  now resorts to using a female screenname on ph and hmoob.com to promote himself and ffs and attack other members.

you're right, lue lee so so own me.   :'(



Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: janedoe on September 12, 2011, 06:21:01 PM
Hmmm.. Let's lue have shady business background and what about you! At least, lue is not hiding behind a fake name like you. I have more respect for him, then for you for being himself. What about you? What do you stand for? What kind of background do you have? One can only wonder with the kind of picture you have posted behind s fake name like Potus! I think Steve would fit you better.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: leelue on September 12, 2011, 06:39:51 PM

lue lee:  disappeared after i peeled his egg online.  now resorts to using a female screenname on ph and hmoob.com to promote himself and ffs and attack other members.

you're right, lue lee so so own me.   :'(




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Potus,
Wow.. I did not thought I was going to be this famous by posted my comment about thai thao, but  I really appreciate your unkind words and wisdom.  I think you are totally misunderstood what FFS is doing. Since, you are very busy due to your business schedule and you only live in Sacramento so let me come to you. I'm sure you don't have problem with this idea, right! I like to come to show you what we do.  Or, r u afraid that I might your true indentity that you are not what you represent.  You don't have anything to hide right?
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: potus on September 12, 2011, 07:21:14 PM
you're a joke, dude.  funny how you suddenly pop out of the shadows after i call you out for using female screennames.  shady is as shady does, and lue lee sure is shady. ;D

you ignore all of my questions regarding your background, company and associates and you think i am going to waste my time with you?  time isn't free and you haven't earned any, period.  it's quite simple.  answer the many questions that were brought up in this thread by many members, with supporting evidence, and we'll go from there.   O0
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: leelue on September 12, 2011, 09:31:58 PM
you're a joke, dude.  funny how you suddenly pop out of the shadows after i call you out for using female screennames.  shady is as shady does, and lue lee sure is shady. ;D

you ignore all of my questions regarding your background, company and associates and you think i am going to waste my time with you?  time isn't free and you haven't earned any, period.  it's quite simple.  answer the many questions that were brought up in this thread by many members, with supporting evidence, and we'll go from there.   O0
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So, you are afraid, huh.. I don't think you have anything to show and share. I can honestly say that you are liar now. Who is the sleazy, shady, and a liar now? 
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: janedoe on September 12, 2011, 09:45:13 PM
Yessss! Lue.... U tell this poor **** to get his lazy ass to do something instead complaining about others. I think this guy is on SSI and he ko Koo. Don't worry about this stupid **** cause you guys at FFS is doing great thing to help people. I am supporting you guys regardless of this **** is saying... Go lue! Go thai! Go gilles! Let this poor **** continue to complainig..
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: potus on September 12, 2011, 09:58:31 PM
lmao!  good use of curse words, lue lee?  don't mind me.  don't mind the california franchise tax board.  don't mind your horrible business track record.  i'll keep it all a secret so our ignorant brothers and sisters who join your company won't suspect anything.  keep doing your thing lue lee aka janedoe aka gaohmoob.  hmong cheating and preying on their own kind...what's new?  karma loves company.  O0
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: kyang81 on September 13, 2011, 11:26:42 AM
Yessss! Lue.... U tell this poor **** to get his lazy ass to do something instead complaining about others. I think this guy is on SSI and he ko Koo. Don't worry about this stupid **** cause you guys at FFS is doing great thing to help people. I am supporting you guys regardless of this **** is saying... Go lue! Go thai! Go gilles! Let this poor **** continue to complainig..

Maybe one day if Potus is lucky he'll be able to move up to Alaska, invest his money with FFS, collect the yearly dividends that the state has to offer and net fish all day.  That would be one heck of a life, save a spot for me also.

Hmmm.. Let's lue have shady business background and what about you! At least, lue is not hiding behind a fake name like you. I have more respect for him, then for you for being himself. What about you? What do you stand for? What kind of background do you have? One can only wonder with the kind of picture you have posted behind s fake name like Potus! I think Steve would fit you better.

Are you yourself not hiding behind a fake name or what most of us would call a screen name?  So are you on the same level as Potus because you yourself are also in the same situation?  Sometimes you should take a look at the situation before you make any comments that are going to make yourself look stupid.   I think Shanaynay would fit you better, lol running in here with one hand at your hip and one hand waving in the air like someone just ate your bucket of chicken.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: kyang81 on September 13, 2011, 11:36:44 AM
My ieda of a business is a wholesaler of fish market.  In Alaska, it is so easy to catch fish, average hmong family would have 3 to 4 freezer of fish in a season.  I want to set a location MN and CA because these two states has the most Hmong, Laos, and Vietnamese people.  I will sale very cheap.. I will blow any competiton in the fish business, but the hard part is find a legitimate business partner in those state can I trust.


 :2funny:

I guess this is what rich people do
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: A_New_Beginning on September 14, 2011, 01:51:09 PM
Why not establish a fish farm them?
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: YAX on September 14, 2011, 06:11:22 PM
Why not establish a fish farm them?
  Because that wouldn't be an MLM.  ;D
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Gen. Invincible on September 20, 2011, 10:36:41 PM
Its about time someone got smart..and was the first..dammikt ..I rather follow a Hmong guy then anyone else..lol
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Joe_Kali4nia on October 05, 2011, 11:51:12 PM
I think the numbers are too high.  I was told once by Ben Vue who was in the same team as Thai and he told me they made $10k a month which made sense to me.  In sales, there are months where you make a lot and months where you make nothing.  One thing I hate about insurance is the paid back policy if client(s) stop their policies.  As far as his house, he bought it when one didn't have to put anything down if your credits was good.  As for his cars, I'm sure his cars were leased instead.  One thing I've noticed about MLM was that they would tried to sell you on the way they dress, whom they associated themselves with, their properties, their cars.  One thing I know for sure about Thai is that his wife works at a hospital and makes good income to make ends meet.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: potus on October 06, 2011, 03:52:22 PM
I think the numbers are too high.  I was told once by Ben Vue who was in the same team as Thai and he told me they made $10k a month which made sense to me.  In sales, there are months where you make a lot and months where you make nothing.  One thing I hate about insurance is the paid back policy if client(s) stop their policies.  As far as his house, he bought it when one didn't have to put anything down if your credits was good.  As for his cars, I'm sure his cars were leased instead.  One thing I've noticed about MLM was that they would tried to sell you on the way they dress, whom they associated themselves with, their properties, their cars.  One thing I know for sure about Thai is that his wife works at a hospital and makes good income to make ends meet.

be careful with your words joe or ffs employees will flood the forum and accuse you of jealousy.  ;D
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Venuz on October 07, 2011, 10:33:22 AM
Good luck to the guy! In the industry, some make it while other's don't.

 Looks like most don't  :2funny:
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: darkhelmet on October 18, 2011, 03:28:14 PM
So a niece calls up and says she lives one hour away and would like to catch up because we're family and all.  We don't know her but only know her parents so we said sure, why not let's have dinner, bring the husband and kids over.  The day comes and she arrives, not with husband and kids but with her FFS "mentor".  So we've been cleaning the house and cooking all day, looking forward for our meeting with them and it turns out we made dinner for a bunch of crooked sales people.  I hate these kind of people.  I wasn't rude, I let them do their spill but didn't buy anything.  Damn how low will you go to get a sale?  Even down to tricking your own family member!
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: hmoobxwbos on October 18, 2011, 04:35:20 PM
I was on Facebook the other day and noticed my cousin's status about her FFS training she's attending. She lives in Arkansas - I guess FFS made their way to the folks down south.  ::)

The thing that bugs me most is that my cousin is a little slow. I can see her falling for something like this. And this just goes to show that the FFS folks at the top are all about $$$ and could give a crap about the kind of people they recruit, knowing that the person has no chance of making any money!

Those of you praising Thai Thao so much and saying he's such a humble person, you don't know anything. Thai Thao, Gilles Moua, Brian Moua, Lue Lee, etc.. they are all the same. Why do you still think FFS is still up and running? It's because they have successfully recruited your cousin, your sisters, your brothers, your parents, your friends into their little scheme.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Gatorade_Guy on October 20, 2011, 05:07:35 PM
most people pay me for this info, but i love all your eyes, so yes he does make that much but it wasn't because of their own doings, they were planted as an "example"...to motivate the mass.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: athao on October 24, 2011, 10:29:16 PM
I never thought I would run into FFS members here and it's kinda humiliating to see this kind of behavior plus also getting caught in the game your trying to play. Damn I'm embarrassed.  :-[ but then again it's funny  ;D

I enjoyed reading everybody's thoughts in here... :)
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: F-16 on October 24, 2011, 11:45:48 PM
One of their team member tried to recruit me yesterday.  He told me he was in the 64 percent tile.  I told him how do you make money these days when the market has already saturated and bad economy?  His answer, it's not saturated yet.  Only Hmong people are heavily into it but not other races.  I then asked him that I  have a business that grossed $200,000 a year if he wanted to be my partner and his replied this time, I have no money now hahaha.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: reAP on October 25, 2011, 12:05:14 PM
I know Thai's up-line.  She makes pretty good money...like a million last year.  All of them guys at the top, I'm sure got it made.  But for the average joe and those that think they can become rich over night; forget it.  The lottery is a better bet.  This type of business takes a lot of hard work, time, dedication and money.  You have to be prepared emotionally and psychologicall y, understand the product and have the will power  to keep going.  Most people do not have what it takes.  So "we" hate.   



 

Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: F-16 on October 25, 2011, 08:33:10 PM
I know Thai's up-line.  She makes pretty good money...like a million last year.  All of them guys at the top, I'm sure got it made.  But for the average joe and those that think they can become rich over night; forget it.  The lottery is a better bet.  This type of business takes a lot of hard work, time, dedication and money.  You have to be prepared emotionally and psychologicall y, understand the product and have the will power  to keep going.  Most people do not have what it takes.  So "we" hate.   

Not necessary true.  I've been with Amway, Primamerica, Prepaid Legals, WLG before and I found their secrets.  99% of the top money earners bought themselves into those position at first.  The recruiting part was easy.  Thai, Gelius, Brian, Lue Lee and his wife Pojlaim Lee was already making money during WLG so they just transferred those money into FFS for top spots.  What I  hate about networking systems was that there was no concrete system.  The top guys always making changes on a daily basis.  Only 1% of fresh starters will make it to the top so I wish everyone well.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Xyooj96 on October 31, 2011, 09:33:47 PM
can someone please post the complan of FFS?

most legit MLM companies, you can easily get their complan online. i don't have the luck of finding the FFS complan.

much appreciated, if you don't want to post online, please PM me.

thank you :)
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: A_New_Beginning on October 31, 2011, 10:09:48 PM
can someone please post the complan of FFS?

most legit MLM companies, you can easily get their complan online. i don't have the luck of finding the FFS complan.

much appreciated, if you don't want to post online, please PM me.

thank you :)

Alot of people got brainwashed, thinking they'll rack in chunk of money by joining FFS and buy a policy. I believe I can give you the comp plan.  For what I know, when a so call National Marketing Director try to recruit me, he told me with my experience, they'll give me 50% commission. So I asked him, what's their top commission, he say it's 75%..that's their Executive Level.  I just laugh off.  I showed him my IMO contracts...an d he still argue with me. I showed him my production level with all the carriers I have for 6 years, and he still say he will make it bigger..and that 50% commission is more than 100%.  I told the kids to live and learn, and give him my card...

FFS, is a MO aka Marketing Organization through the carriers they present.  In order to be a MO, you have to have money and a good business plan or you can make your way up through production.  From what I see, I think they bought their position as a MO, and turned it into a MLM. All MO I worked with, got their position by working in the field.  I worked so hard and now just got to IMO level for one carrier, and the rest still not even there yet; IMO aka Independent Marketing Organization.

Like I say, with 3 carriers I have right now, if you just want to offer just life insurance such as WL, UL, IUL, TL, I can give you a flat out 75% contract with no production require.  As for other line of product, it depends.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Xyooj96 on October 31, 2011, 11:13:43 PM
i would like to assess their complan.

percentages to me is irrelevant, as it can depend on net or gross. i heard people said to me that you get 100% commission, without explain what that meant. i do wonder if say you sold a policy to a client that the client pays say $5000 a year, then you get 100% of that $5000 or is that the company pays you say 50% of that $5000 as commission ($2500). Which in term the one above you in MLM pays you say 50% of that $2500? sales people i find them to some times talk so fast to avoid people asking them to clarify their mathematics. when you look at the math and words, they don't mean the same.

how do you become an independent marketing organization (IMO) with the real company (carrier)?


Alot of people got brainwashed, thinking they'll rack in chunk of money by joining FFS and buy a policy. I believe I can give you the comp plan.  For what I know, when a so call National Marketing Director try to recruit me, he told me with my experience, they'll give me 50% commission. So I asked him, what's their top commission, he say it's 75%..that's their Executive Level.  I just laugh off.  I showed him my IMO contracts...an d he still argue with me. I showed him my production level with all the carriers I have for 6 years, and he still say he will make it bigger..and that 50% commission is more than 100%.  I told the kids to live and learn, and give him my card...

FFS, is a MO aka Marketing Organization through the carriers they present.  In order to be a MO, you have to have money and a good business plan or you can make your way up through production.  From what I see, I think they bought their position as a MO, and turned it into a MLM. All MO I worked with, got their position by working in the field.  I worked so hard and now just got to IMO level for one carrier, and the rest still not even there yet; IMO aka Independent Marketing Organization.

Like I say, with 3 carriers I have right now, if you just want to offer just life insurance such as WL, UL, IUL, TL, I can give you a flat out 75% contract with no production require.  As for other line of product, it depends.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: rice4u on November 08, 2011, 01:03:09 PM
i would like to assess their complan.

percentages to me is irrelevant, as it can depend on net or gross. i heard people said to me that you get 100% commission, without explain what that meant. i do wonder if say you sold a policy to a client that the client pays say $5000 a year, then you get 100% of that $5000 or is that the company pays you say 50% of that $5000 as commission ($2500). Which in term the one above you in MLM pays you say 50% of that $2500? sales people i find them to some times talk so fast to avoid people asking them to clarify their mathematics. when you look at the math and words, they don't mean the same.

how do you become an independent marketing organization (IMO) with the real company (carrier)?



MLM is so old and a system that does not work in the long run. I don't know why so many Hmong are into MLM. You need to look from your perspective, not from their (top tier). If you have any $ invest in yourself, educated yourself and start your own services then work for someone like a slave because this is how MLM work at least. 
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: FXMiltownGuy on December 28, 2011, 04:54:40 PM
Brian and Gilles moua the founding fathers Hmong for FFS make
1.2 million a year but they are the top 10 people who started
This company...if its years later until u join
and ur at the bottom u ain't making jack!! No point
In making money for them when u get pennies
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Json on December 28, 2011, 08:41:28 PM
Yeah, they tried to get me too.  They got my friend months earlier and tried using him to get to me.  They blew up my phone for two weeks after I told that that I'll think it.  They even had the nerve to call when I was fishing on the weekends and I told them that I fish during the weekends.  It came to the point that they were harassing me with phone calls.  So I told them off and lost a customer due to harassing.  Them FFS folks in NC can't take "no" for an answer.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Gen. Invincible on December 29, 2011, 11:47:41 AM
Lets stop dissin these people for making it. MLM are like that. Let me put it to you simply. Its called a chargeback. Its sa time scheme..make your money and run. Because when the chargebacks comeback from your company your out. thats why these people save as much as they can and get out while the going is good. Now thats smart. These people are no worser off or better than anyone of us. They are just trying to live and make it better for their families. Their products are sound and regulated by the government. I sure hope these people once they make there money comeback to their original passion..We miss Sounders. We need more original good Hmong music..:)
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Gemini on December 29, 2011, 11:59:21 AM
If only family were really that nice and friendly, not just to recruit for MLM.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: tsov on January 28, 2012, 12:47:53 AM
I just joined FFS and came back from one of their conventions not too long ago.  I got a closer look at the company. I would say it's not bad, but the Hmong/Lao are the main force behind production and growth in the company because of their strategy with the law of large numbers, to recruit as many people as possible. I guess that's why everyone here hates FFS lol. The other teams under the other executive field chairmen/women (I guess you could say non-Hmong) are much smaller, but have successful producers making very good income as well, they take the original, more subtle approach to it. FFS is based on the "missed fortune 101" strategy (though not as extreme) to utilize the Index Universal Life insurance product as an investment vehicle for harvesting equity with tax free liquidity, plus having life insurance protection and disability and long term illness riders etc etc. I wouldn't mind part time, going around to more than just family, but the "mainstream" community with this, anyone who can really afford it who don't know how to save hehe.

The only thing I'd worry about is if the Feds change the tax laws in the future lol.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: tsov on January 28, 2012, 05:24:07 PM
The law of large number in a normally distributed system follows the central limit theorem which indicates that 70% of the people who join are not going to make anything and 20% of them are going to lose $$ and only 10% make something... ;D ;D ;D  Only the elite 1% make a killing ;)  This is capitalism at work in a free market but the market of Hmong is saturated so your opportunity shrinks over time, and thus you'll apply another law called supply/demand and the s curve as well if they want to continue...At the end of the day, the leader must continue to herd in sheeps and cows to the slaughter to continue to generate money or the furnace will dry up and the business collapse.  We saw this with the mortgage backed industry...any Hmong backed industry have a much shorter life cycle...so new groups of people are necessary...to open new markets.

Yep, I simply stated their strategy. I see that as well. However they still have some time and more places to go, more people to reach before the well dries up. I will be more of a personal producer and working with non-Hmong as well, rather than a focus on volume recruiting all my family members and friends. For me, FFS offers a little part time venture into brokerage-like opportunity without all the business ownership operating costs. I see how some of the products can be beneficial for some people...Even had an agent from a huge insurance company which I will not name (lol) look at one of our policies to replace and he said, it's too good... he didn't know such a thing existed...They didn't have anything available so far that could compete with it.

I think most people come into it with get rich quick mentality, or are desperate.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: tsov on January 28, 2012, 05:27:06 PM
Doublepost
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: YAX on February 16, 2012, 01:37:20 AM
Tsov,  you're about to find out that you're gonna lose a dollar for every penny you ge back.  Hope you hav enough money to sustain this loss.   ;)
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: tsov on February 23, 2012, 04:56:18 PM
I will not be one of the successful people at the top. I believe MLM is eventually an unsustainable model, but that'll take a while and those guys at the top will have to keep leveraging to keep up with their past year's income. I personally DO NOT like the idea of aggressive, indiscriminate recruiting of people as I only have faith in few people I'd want to bring into this business, lol. I tend to disclose what they're gonna have to be doing up front and let them make their own decision. VERY BAD for success within this type of business lol. I also don't follow their pathetic self-infatuated culture they have within the business.

However, I like how I can learn more about insurance with hands on experience on my own time while knowing that I have the potential of a traditional life insurance agent/broker without all the other BS involved with business ownership and marketing expenses, meeting quotas etc. I invested $1000 into FFS after licensing expenses but I have already made it all back based on their system. Sure, my uplines who field trained me sold $6000k worth of policies off of my network but those are people who could afford the protection and wanted it. It actually saved them some headaches where they were in dire situations of losing their money through other retirement accounts. It's been a great learning experience...I think there are smaller companies similar to FFS that may be more suitable for someone like me because of a different focus and different image that they want. I am starting to get sick of going to the opportunity "trainings" every week as all I get is recruiting advice....FFS is a hit or miss depending on who is your direct leader and how experienced they are in personal financial advice and insurance expertise...I would love to go under the wings of some of the other smaller teams within the company that are non-Hmong, but unfortunately that is unrealistic as they are not local. Does anyone know how "Advisors of America" train? They still have their MLM side of the business but seem to have a different approach.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Adamoua on February 26, 2012, 08:29:09 PM
when you're one of the first top people to start the pyramid scheme yes you're going to make some money not being rich..you wouldn't be still rocking the stage singing "KUV HLUB KOJ!!!!" or "VIM KOJ DAIM DUABBBBBB!!"....i'll be in hawaii relaxing waiting for my check to come in...every week..living in mansions driving ferraris and lambos...but it's a good side job though if you're a outgoing sales man..lmfao

SO True!! :D
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Xyooj96 on April 05, 2013, 03:07:40 AM
where's the FFS complan?
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Risingstars on April 15, 2013, 03:32:21 PM
I will tell you guys my story that happened to me when I met the Rock at Wrestle-mania...I shook his hand and asked him. "Hey Rock I'm a big fan of yours. Can I ask you something?" he replied back, "Sure man!" I said, "Do you want to be a part of a successful business?" "You don't have to do much because we already build the boat for you. All you have to do is FOLLOW the system." The Rock, "What? FOLLOW this system? What system?" I replied, "The FF---" The Rock, "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT IS!!"

No but seriously, I lost interest in FFS when I met Gilles Moua by the restroom for a notebook( I heard my up-lines talking about it, that he had given them out) and he said he will not because he have no time. I kind of went "oh"....True leaders support and supply their down-lines with the most blessing successful words and documents of wisdom. It was a fun and joyful event at Gilles Moua Convention in 2011 because I went around Fresno and was my first time on a plane and in CA. I ate a lot of good pho. I would definitely go back and visit my uncle but not FFS. I feel bad for those people who are in FFS when there is no more food to eat, you have to go back and work at the company. For me I shall venture my success into college and at least have a security for a job.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: doctortong on August 19, 2013, 02:04:05 PM
Here are my experiences with the (Hmong) FFS.

1) Pitch number 1- I was told by one of the rep "You don't need higher education. FFS will make you rich."
2) Today's Hmong FFS is the 1990's Hmong Christians - "You are either with us or against us."
3) There's a young lady who went to 6 yrs of college without getting a degree. Never held a job but finally "owns" and is the CEO of the FFS local office. Recruited her boyfriend. They go around bragging how much money they make (somehow it's always about money to them) YET they lived in her parents' basement (yes that's right the boyfriend lived with her in her parents' house) because they couldn't afford to live on their own.
4) They're all excited about the trophies they get at these fancy "conventions" and their business clothes. Dude - I've been working in an office for 10 yrs where I wear suites and ties everyday. And I can't wait to get out of them on Fridays.
5) FFS members think that they're so professional so when they're at family's picnics they come in all dressed up.
6) They make so much money yet they're living at home with parents and can't even afford to purchase a bed.
7) The leader recruits all his relatives who couldn't read or understand an article in the newspaper/internet.
8) Most of their team members have a GPA high enough to get into a community college only, yet they they all act like they know more than everyone else.

Now why would I give my money to these people to "invest"?
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Believe_N_Me on August 20, 2013, 11:40:42 PM
It just makes more sense to me that if a person wants to sell insurance then just work for American Family Insurance or something like that. Obviously, FFS profits from their recruits and not from actual products.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Risingstars on December 10, 2013, 11:56:02 AM
I don't really think Thai Thao makes that much, its just the figure that makes people want to join and the way they talk you into it. If you don't join under me, i'll be friend you and I don't know who you are anymore. I don't know why people would do that.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Rockin on December 10, 2013, 09:09:56 PM
I don't really think Thai Thao makes that much, its just the figure that makes people want to join and the way they talk you into it. If you don't join under me, i'll be friend you and I don't know who you are anymore. I don't know why people would do that.

I heard he made billions  ::)  and drives a nice Porsche and 100k Benz.  :-\
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Risingstars on December 10, 2013, 09:25:57 PM
How come Money.com or all those media don't interview him and ask him how he made so much money. Obvious he didn't reach billions if Gillies/ the person who recruited Thai Thao only reached $1.6 million as a mark.  :violent1:
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Rockin on December 10, 2013, 09:41:07 PM
How come Money.com or all those media don't interview him and ask him how he made so much money. Obvious he didn't reach billions if Gillies/ the person who recruited Thai Thao only reached $1.6 million as a mark.  :violent1:

Ok, billions are an over statement. I think net net when he have a business or enterprise to run, it takes
money to make money. Debit and credits....mon ey comes in and money goes out. Thai might have cashed  100k+ check few times but in order to live the dream  and  to show boat he needs to play the part. HOW LONG CAN HE DO IT? I heard of stories of gillies and Brian's riches. It doesn't impress me when they let their million dollar homes go into foreclosure.  It leads me to believe it is all for show. True millionaire will continued to live the dream and still have their million dollar home through tough times. I guess, to really know Thai's business profit, you will need to look at his P+L.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Risingstars on December 10, 2013, 10:41:53 PM
A couple of up lines I talked with said the actually figures that they make isn't what it really is. So for instance one year I can make 50K but its not guarantee $50k. The figures are there just to get people's attention and say they make that much. I wouldn't be on PH if I made $100k+ because I'll be out and sitting on the beaches of Hawaii everyday, drinking orange soda. Plus one the market is out, who would you go for? Your first bet would be other ethnicity. How can you talk them into believing your point? I guess I would have to go to business school to learn how to get other sales. $100k a year I would put 50 in Roth IRA and the other 50 I would split 25 for my parents and 25 to spend it on clothes and maybe down a good house.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Rockin on December 10, 2013, 10:57:19 PM
A couple of up lines I talked with said the actually figures that they make isn't what it really is. So for instance one year I can make 50K but its not guarantee $50k. The figures are there just to get people's attention and say they make that much. I wouldn't be on PH if I made $100k+ because I'll be out and sitting on the beaches of Hawaii everyday, drinking orange soda. Plus one the market is out, who would you go for? Your first bet would be other ethnicity. How can you talk them into believing your point? I guess I would have to go to business school to learn how to get other sales. $100k a year I would put 50 in Roth IRA and the other 50 I would split 25 for my parents and 25 to spend it on clothes and maybe down a good house.

You think too small...100k is just chump change. Roughly 8-9k month before taxes. You can't live off of that in HI.
I went to business school and it is a nice paper weight certificate. It didn't make me 100k/yr for 10yrs after school. It doesn't teach me how to make it rich in the real world. It only teaches me concepts.  :o

Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Risingstars on December 11, 2013, 08:30:37 AM
Haha exactly! I'm just giving the examples of what my up-lines would tell me every time I don't attend a First Financial Security meeting.  :2funny:
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: SummerBerry on December 11, 2013, 11:18:05 AM
I heard he made billions  ::)  and drives a nice Porsche and 100k Benz.  :-\

Whatever but his wife said to give the 1st person at the meeting I attend $20 if they can show a statistics or report........ I expect as much top seller or earner he claim to be maybe $100 for that person.  $20 is nothing when a recruit is going to cost them $120 to join...... I'm sure it's the same with Gillies and Brian.  It's just their total sales but not their earning or what they pocket.  I sit there and listened to Gillies talk to my husband after the potluck and I can assumed....... .  He's dreaming too big......

Right now almost 2 yrs and we still get the same agent who has been trying to get our business calling especially because they have a local office here that meet wed or thurs.  We have one out of state agent.  I keep telling my husband just tell them you don't end it so they would leave us alone. 
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Risingstars on December 11, 2013, 01:08:13 PM
I don't understand why they can't get other of ethnicity sales. Talk about Hmong scamming Hmong over life insurance/businesses.
I would suggest everyone buy that Hmong movie "Dag Noj Dag Hau"
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Rockin on December 11, 2013, 01:22:26 PM
I don't understand why they can't get other of ethnicity sales. Talk about Hmong scamming Hmong over life insurance/businesses.
I would suggest everyone buy that Hmong movie "Dag Noj Dag Hau"
Who are they suppose to scam?
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Risingstars on December 11, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
Who are they suppose to scam?

The ones who make millions. Not the poor.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Rockin on December 11, 2013, 02:01:30 PM
The ones who make millions. Not the poor.

millionaires will tell them to keep dreaming....sh oot high aim low.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: vl on February 07, 2014, 08:16:02 AM
you're a joke, dude.  funny how you suddenly pop out of the shadows after i call you out for using female screennames.  shady is as shady does, and lue lee sure is shady. ;D

you ignore all of my questions regarding your background, company and associates and you think i am going to waste my time with you?  time isn't free and you haven't earned any, period.  it's quite simple.  answer the many questions that were brought up in this thread by many members, with supporting evidence, and we'll go from there.   O0

Sorry to bring this back up, but I just find Lue Lee to be such a big idiot.    :2funny:
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: ICU2 on May 15, 2014, 06:13:34 PM
i know him personally, and his wife, his buddy, his buddy wife, his horde of friends.  been with them too, working it for a bit.

just wasn't my cup of tea.  nice folks in all, but just a tad bit too materialistic for me to be around with.

i play to a different tune, my own tune of a 8-5 job, then back home, then do my own thang cause at the end of the day when we really hang up the towel, can't take any of it with you.  i seek happiness my own way  O0

btw, i have his phone # if anyone wants to confirm how much he makes, but he'll try to recruit you too  :D
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: lydia on September 11, 2014, 03:19:05 PM
If you don't recruit people u can still make money, but not as much. 18k a year. As long as people buy insurance by u 
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: D-A-V-E on September 25, 2014, 10:49:43 PM
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Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Superan on September 25, 2014, 11:00:24 PM
Can you tell us about the law suit re:G.Moua vs FFS?
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: SinX on September 26, 2014, 05:20:06 PM
Anybody defending FFS, Thai Thao, or any of the other scamming Hmong MLM's, I challenge YOU, FFS, Thai Thao, the CEO, their Top Salesman, or any other scamming Hmong MLM to a true salesman's test.

1) A Regular Corded Phone + 1 Random US Phone Book + 1 Random Product

All Calls must be made to numbers found inside the random phone book and I can promise you that during a 1 week stretch, I can outsell this random product, 2:1 vs. any of FFS' Top Salesmans, Members, or Corporate Officers.

or

2) A Random US City + Random Business Parks + Random Product/s

I can guarantee that I will thrive in any location in the US vs. any random location that FFS Employees, Corporate Officers or any individual related with them does and I can do it 3:1.

I will put up $1,000 dollars to any FFS Member, Officer, and/or Employee or any other scamming Hmong MLM to prove me wrong.

Here's my number: (209) 330-3183

Yes, I'm tired of these scammers. And I'm tired of Friends & Family Members calling me 1st on their list that you told them to make up.....because they know I'm a salesman with contacts. Because your idiotic MLM told them that if they suckered me into it, they can sit back and let me do all the work and you and my friend/family member will all enjoy the fruits that I bare.

Obviously I was born at night but not yesterday night and you can't outslick a can of oil, you big dummies!

So anybody attached to FFS or other Hmong scamming MLM's, I want to make a fool of you and your company. That it takes no skills to convince a gullible family member/friend of mine into using my trust for them, to come scam me, while you pull the strings on what they say and do.

I WANT TO PROVE THAT YOU CANNOT SURVIVE OFF COLD CALLING RANDOM STRANGERS TO MAKE A BUCK and THAT YOU HAVE TO SCAM AND CHEAT YOUR WAY & RUIN FAMILY/FRIENDSHIPS, FOR A MCDONALD'S PAYCHECK THAT YOU GET FROM FFS.

Yes I said McDonalds because the salesman in me have talked to these Diamond & Platinum Level Associates you have in your company that I know personally, was getting Food Stamps and Public Assistance. That one of them was barely making $2,000 bucks a month, if he made 4-5 new sales that month and not off residuals but he was on your 3rd highest tier of corporate officers because you claimed he was in the $250K club.

And that he had to pay for all his expenses including travel, airline, hotels, food, gas, etc.

Or another Hmong MLM that gave "leased" Mercedes cars away as "Car Giveaways" but if they failed to keep quota, they had to turn the cars over to ones who could.

WHAT A JOKE! AND I PROMISE YOU NO FFS MEMBER WILL ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE.

Wow... humbleness and humility must not be in your dictionary.  I get that you may have had bad experiences with people from FFS or WLG or other pyramid schemes.  However, that doesn't give you the right to speak of them - or anyone else - in this manner.  I was a top-producing sales agent in my previous line of work and I can tell you that it is not easy to make cold calls.  Of 100 cold calls you make, the average number of closings you will get is:  ONE.  That is a statistic.  And FYI:  REAL salespeople know that closings do not happen with cold customers.  They take place with customers who are within your SPHERE OF INFLUENCE - that is, friends, families, neighbors, and colleagues!!!!
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: SinX on September 26, 2014, 05:21:02 PM
By the way, I am NOT affiliated with FFS or any of those people you called out in any way. 
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: D-A-V-E on September 26, 2014, 06:30:51 PM
Wow... humbleness and humility must not be in your dictionary.  I get that you may have had bad experiences with people from FFS or WLG or other pyramid schemes.  However, that doesn't give you the right to speak of them - or anyone else - in this manner.  I was a top-producing sales agent in my previous line of work and I can tell you that it is not easy to make cold calls.  Of 100 cold calls you make, the average number of closings you will get is:  ONE.  That is a statistic.  And FYI:  REAL salespeople know that closings do not happen with cold customers.  They take place with customers who are within your SPHERE OF INFLUENCE - that is, friends, families, neighbors, and colleagues!!!!

I assume Floyd Mayweather can read too with your statements.

100% incorrect.

Shady companies love guys like you because they can chew you up and spit you out. Because they use you to get to your friends, families, neighbors, and colleagues. And once you run out, since you can't cold call or prospect B2B, you're no good and wasting a desk space.

Never have I done what you've done. I relied 90% on new customers and 10% old/former customers. All cold calling on the phone or walking into their business with no appointment. Sometimes with shorts and flip flops on. Sometimes with a polo shirt and some ****ies. Only time I slap a tie on is when I'm head to a professional business like a jeweler, realtor, or attorney, etc.

My call volume is always 5-10 times less than the guy who makes the most call at any company I've worked. I've been reprimanded for making such low call volumes until they reviewed my sales numbers because I am a believer of not volume but quality. And pre-dinner time and pre-bed time, you should prep for next day targets at home. So folks go home at 5pm, I stay til 8 or 9.

So I seriously doubt MLM folks can outwork me. Nor do I believe you know what you're talking about in sales. Because I've seen the unconventional work and every tactic they teach you at every job does not work for everybody.

I can show you proof of recent work where I pulled clients over the phone in different states, as recent as last month, at a ratio way higher than you pulling off your friends and family because I diligently did my homework before I called, made sure the product I pushed out had my stamp of approval, and closed the deals personally and gave my touch to finish the projects.

I can even show you a list of clients in at least 20 states that I walked/called into their business and sold them things without knowing them in the last 3 years. In cities with very few Hmong businesses or folks like Cleveland, Louisville, Nashville, Knoxville, Oklahoma City, St. Cloud, Fort Wayne, etc.

And you're only an average person at things you do for a profession, if you think about being humble and having humility.

Never have I heard an interview where Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, Muhammad Ali, Floyd Mayweather, Rickey Henderson, etc. ever said somebody was better than them. And nobody ever said they was likable guys. Nor where those guys ever humble about anything.

And even when people never said a bad thing about them, they took the smallest thing you said as a slight to get the extra motivation to succeed.

So all I'm saying is, you need to reassess your frame of thought because if you want to just be average in the business world, you're wasting time and might as well parade yourself with the MLM Clowns.

Ray Kroc once said it's a Dog Eat Dog World. You better tell yourself you're the best and tell yourself ppl hate you because you're the best. And always keep an eye over your shoulder for whoever is coming for your job.

Because 2nd place = 1st place loser
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: SinX on September 26, 2014, 08:40:06 PM
Blah blah blah.  You have no idea who I am so don't make assumptions.  I'm no average Joe.  I was in the top 3% nationally in my company.  I wasn't a network marketer and I didnt cheat my uninformed friends and family as you presume. I worked for a large company that sells a product that every person dreams to achieve.  Perhaps cold calling worked in your industry but in mine, having a strong sphere of influence was a huge leverage.  The referrals and repeat customers kept me so busy that I didn't need to make cold calls.  I placed ads too and because I was a top producer wit a track record, people wanted to work with me.  They sought me--I didn't need to make cold calls.  I invite you to research what a true sphere of influence is. It is about branding yourself and building a circle of trust so that when clients are ready to buy, you'll be the first person they call.  Do your research about the difference in sales volume between cold calls and having a large sphere of influence.  I will bet anything that any successful salesperson will tell you you'd have more success with the latter.  Again, your industry may require cold calling.  To me, that's just more work.  Why waste time cold calling when you can build your sphere and reap the rewards exponentially??
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: SinX on September 26, 2014, 08:48:09 PM
And customers WILL choose to buy with the salesperson they trust most.  Humility and humbleness goes a looooooong way in developing client relationships.  Often times, the relationship takes precedence over the product, over the sale.  I urge you to reassess YOUR thinking.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Phaj_ej on September 26, 2014, 11:11:48 PM
Since phaj ej is here I'll be the judge

Mlm scams the living shit out of the stupid. The 1 percent like Moua brother know that there is no way the 99 percent will make money. Thousands of people's dream went unfulfilled. These once so call MLB belber are now working 9-5. Name me one person who can live the rich life mom promises? Don't give me the top 3 precents. No one in the 97 percent can afford a real vacation. I know Mlm people who still believes and gullible. Sadly they Eileen never learn.

35 and no real job and no assets. This guy has a ba degree and still chasing a blind dream
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: D-A-V-E on September 27, 2014, 02:16:22 PM
Blah blah blah. You make no sense in what you're saying. And everything you say just contradicts each other.

"I wasn't a network marketer" but "They take place with customers who are within your SPHERE OF INFLUENCE - that is, friends, families, neighbors, and colleagues!!!!"

Obviously that's called networking and you marketed to your network of people you already knew.

Do your research about the difference in sales volume between cold calls and having a large sphere of influence.

So you don't cold call but you don't "network" market your people. So does this "large sphere of influence" just magically pops up at your door? Yet, if you don't go knocking on strangers doors or use your friends/family members to get to people you didn't know, then this large sphere of people can be bought at Wal-Mart?

So somehow you were Top 3% in your company and the only thing you've admitted that didn't contradict was that you placed ads?

So somehow a guy placing ads was Top 3% in his company? There must be 3 sales people and 97 support members that you counted in your math.

A monkey holding a sign can sell things. If placing ads and getting people to believe you from your ads, made you Top 3%, you my friend, is not a salesman.

TRUE SALES PEOPLE IS LIKE FRESNO STATE FOOTBALL'S MOTTO: ANY TIME, ANY PLACE, ANYWHERE!

You being Humble and having humility shows your customers how much confidence you have in your product or yourself. I seriously doubt you can prove anything you're saying other than to contradict yourself and put yourself in a corner of confusion.

And I'm not stupid dude. I know who this is. I know your other name. I've used many names on this forum over many years. And only 1 person on this forum uses terminology that he doesn't understand and backs himself into corners with contradiction. I'm pretty sure anybody else reading this thread will know exactly who I'm talking about.

Blah blah blah.  You have no idea who I am so don't make assumptions.  I'm no average Joe.  I was in the top 3% nationally in my company.  I wasn't a network marketer and I didnt cheat my uninformed friends and family as you presume. I worked for a large company that sells a product that every person dreams to achieve.  Perhaps cold calling worked in your industry but in mine, having a strong sphere of influence was a huge leverage.  The referrals and repeat customers kept me so busy that I didn't need to make cold calls.  I placed ads too and because I was a top producer wit a track record, people wanted to work with me.  They sought me--I didn't need to make cold calls.  I invite you to research what a true sphere of influence is. It is about branding yourself and building a circle of trust so that when clients are ready to buy, you'll be the first person they call.  Do your research about the difference in sales volume between cold calls and having a large sphere of influence.  I will bet anything that any successful salesperson will tell you you'd have more success with the latter.  Again, your industry may require cold calling.  To me, that's just more work.  Why waste time cold calling when you can build your sphere and reap the rewards exponentially??
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: D-A-V-E on September 27, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
Exactly!

I think the better analogy would be that MLM is like Gamblers. The leaders of MLM are like Gamblers, they always tell you how many times they got "paid" but they don't tell you how many times they "lost".

Since phaj ej is here I'll be the judge

Mlm scams the living shit out of the stupid. The 1 percent like Moua brother know that there is no way the 99 percent will make money. Thousands of people's dream went unfulfilled. These once so call MLB belber are now working 9-5. Name me one person who can live the rich life mom promises? Don't give me the top 3 precents. No one in the 97 percent can afford a real vacation. I know Mlm people who still believes and gullible. Sadly they Eileen never learn.

35 and no real job and no assets. This guy has a ba degree and still chasing a blind dream
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: FXMiltownGuy on December 29, 2014, 06:16:44 PM
i dont come in this forum much but dont you think by now yall sound so freaking retarded
and for thai thao and them mouas i hope the law suit cleans you all dry
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: The_Scholar on February 10, 2015, 10:58:31 PM
Anybody defending FFS, Thai Thao, or any of the other scamming Hmong MLM's, I challenge YOU, FFS, Thai Thao, the CEO, their Top Salesman, or any other scamming Hmong MLM to a true salesman's test.

1) A Regular Corded Phone + 1 Random US Phone Book + 1 Random Product

All Calls must be made to numbers found inside the random phone book and I can promise you that during a 1 week stretch, I can outsell this random product, 2:1 vs. any of FFS' Top Salesmans, Members, or Corporate Officers.

or

2) A Random US City + Random Business Parks + Random Product/s

I can guarantee that I will thrive in any location in the US vs. any random location that FFS Employees, Corporate Officers or any individual related with them does and I can do it 3:1.

I will put up $1,000 dollars to any FFS Member, Officer, and/or Employee or any other scamming Hmong MLM to prove me wrong.

Here's my number: (209) 330-3183

Yes, I'm tired of these scammers. And I'm tired of Friends & Family Members calling me 1st on their list that you told them to make up.....because they know I'm a salesman with contacts. Because your idiotic MLM told them that if they suckered me into it, they can sit back and let me do all the work and you and my friend/family member will all enjoy the fruits that I bare.

Obviously I was born at night but not yesterday night and you can't outslick a can of oil, you big dummies!

So anybody attached to FFS or other Hmong scamming MLM's, I want to make a fool of you and your company. That it takes no skills to convince a gullible family member/friend of mine into using my trust for them, to come scam me, while you pull the strings on what they say and do.

I WANT TO PROVE THAT YOU CANNOT SURVIVE OFF COLD CALLING RANDOM STRANGERS TO MAKE A BUCK and THAT YOU HAVE TO SCAM AND CHEAT YOUR WAY & RUIN FAMILY/FRIENDSHIPS, FOR A MCDONALD'S PAYCHECK THAT YOU GET FROM FFS.

Yes I said McDonalds because the salesman in me have talked to these Diamond & Platinum Level Associates you have in your company that I know personally, was getting Food Stamps and Public Assistance. That one of them was barely making $2,000 bucks a month, if he made 4-5 new sales that month and not off residuals but he was on your 3rd highest tier of corporate officers because you claimed he was in the $250K club.

And that he had to pay for all his expenses including travel, airline, hotels, food, gas, etc.

Or another Hmong MLM that gave "leased" Mercedes cars away as "Car Giveaways" but if they failed to keep quota, they had to turn the cars over to ones who could.

WHAT A JOKE! AND I PROMISE YOU NO FFS MEMBER WILL ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE.

Dave, I have a lot of respect for you for making this post.  Not many Hmong people understand the financial and insurance industry at all.  This market is a sales market.  If you can cold call, set up appointments and good at closing you'll only break even.  if you're the exceptional one, you're make top.  I know for a fact the only reason why Brian Moua and those other Hmong are at the top is because they prey on uneducated folks.

Note: Been selling life, health insurance since 2006 but hold a full time career.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: D-A-V-E on February 14, 2015, 11:02:54 PM
Dave, I have a lot of respect for you for making this post.  Not many Hmong people understand the financial and insurance industry at all.  This market is a sales market.  If you can cold call, set up appointments and good at closing you'll only break even.  if you're the exceptional one, you're make top.  I know for a fact the only reason why Brian Moua and those other Hmong are at the top is because they prey on uneducated folks.

Note: Been selling life, health insurance since 2006 but hold a full time career.

Everybody thinks sales is easy. Everybody talks a good game when it comes to sales. Telling me they can do this or that.

Like I told SinX up top, SHOW ME THE MONEY.

Prove it. Because I can prove my portfolio. I talk a big game but I walk a big game.

That's why I was challenging these clowns because anybody who knows me, knows I ain't got no shame in my game when it comes to looking through Yelp, Google, the Yellow Pages and just randomly calling businesses. Or driving around and just stopping to talk with folks at their business without even knowing these folks.

But yeah, Insurance is a tough game. It's a very slow game and long term relationship you have to build. Good luck in your business. If you ever need any help, let me know. I've worked in Marketing and Advertising for a long time now and I'm building Apps for businesses. So I have a few tools as resources I can help fellow "legit" Hmong business folks out.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Believe_N_Me on February 21, 2015, 06:05:34 AM
I say that Thai Thao start publishing books/cds/dvds on "How to Get Rich". That's how to take it to the next level.  O0 No need for recruiting now. Too many people are on to that game. However, people are still hungry for the "secret" so sell it to them in print format.

DAVE,

I'm surprised that even you haven't done that yet.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Snowdrop on August 04, 2015, 08:24:02 PM
I talked to one of his down line FFs person and it was stated that he make close to 1million.   :)

In FFS policies, you get 30% off the first year of the policy.  After that, you get 3% off each month premium payment.  So you earn about $3 per $100.  To make 6k a month, you have to sell $200,000 worth of policy premium that is equal to 2000 policies if averaging that one policy premium cost $100/month.  After this calculation, I decided it's not worth it. 

Also....their policy might not be relevant in the end.  All in all, I don't think the product is good and will give our Hmong community justice for what they pay, so I rather not sell it.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Snowdrop on August 04, 2015, 08:25:07 PM
I say that Thai Thao start publishing books/cds/dvds on "How to Get Rich". That's how to take it to the next level.  O0 No need for recruiting now. Too many people are on to that game. However, people are still hungry for the "secret" so sell it to them in print format.

DAVE,

I'm surprised that even you haven't done that yet.
Awsss.....I will pass on his books and cds. 
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Gracified23 on August 07, 2015, 10:17:15 AM
Bump
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Giggles_Shyly on August 07, 2015, 10:24:31 AM
My cousin came to advertise about FFS and boast about how much she makes. Talking down to me about my college degree and job. That she made more than me and she hardly speaks English well. I just looked at my SIL and told the cousin I wasn't interested.

LOL, what kind of sales pitch is that, coming into someone's home and disrespecting the potential customers, then trying to sell products to them afterwards. :2funny: :2funny: :idiot2: :idiot2:
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: Gracified23 on August 07, 2015, 10:28:54 AM
Ok.
Title: Re: Thai Thao from Sounders and FFS
Post by: winerice on September 16, 2016, 07:44:34 AM
Don't know what type of formal training does FFS trained their members but clearly their sale skill are  horrible.