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SBs can also say the same thing about a guy like you. You just wanted free sex without the sugar part. In their eyes you’re also trying to milk them  :2funny:

At least for me I’m not that guy and she’s not that girl. We’re both honest despite the money. That’s why it worked for us.

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In terms of dollars that don't make sense, she's got it going on and she's milking it.  I'm not concern about her no more.  Figuratively speaking, I'm concern about you.   :2funny:

If that's what you like, losing money to get companionship that doesn't go anywhere then that's all on you.  I said the magical word up there and it is called "Grooming".  I don't need to explain myself as it is self explanatory.  Good luck with your journey.

How do you know if she’s milking it and not being genuine?

I hope you know that being genuine doesn’t rule out the financial help. You know that right? She wants to be cared for so if you stop supporting her because you have feelings for her, it doesn’t solve her situation. You’re not helping her at all. Women still has needs. Some guys want a emotional connection but suddenly stops supporting her. It doesn’t work like that.


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The Single & Dating Scenes / Men have to become, women just are.
« on: September 26, 2022, 11:14:49 AM »
A loser girl still gets a lot of attention, but a loser guy won’t get any attention.

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She has her own money and not no broke azz hoez whom you are trying to groom.    :2funny:

Not every SB are broke and “need” the money. Some use it to elevate their lifestyle. My Sb make her own money but I still pay for everything. True alpha right there lol. And it’s not how much you make, it’s what you do with the money. How much are you actually spending on her is the key here. A guy can make a million but still stingy.

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Traditional dating is different than the sugar dating.

The women you date are not expecting to be paid.   O0

Wait til you starting adding up food, shopping spree, vacation, get her hair and nails  done  etc. now you’re investing  :2funny:

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You do.  You pay for a unquestionable relationship, that is if you can qualify it as a legit relationship. 

Look it here.  She's not even your GF.  If she is then we wouldn't be here talking about this sugar subject at hand. 

Hell, not many people set up a $500 a week for their legit GF.  I mean they can live together n not paying rent or have her phone bills payed but not no $500 allowance.  Hell, even her own father wouldn't give her a $500 a week allowance.  Heck, even some to most husband do not set up a $500 a week allowance for their wives. 

But we get it though.  You give a stranger a $500 a week allowance.  So what are you?  Disciple of grandpa Biden setting up some kind of a universal income stimulus handout or something?   :2funny:

Nope. Sex and financial support are tied together. I don’t pay just for friendship. If you do you’re getting rinse.

I mean I don’t mind if we’re both already established in a sugar relationship long term and have build each other trust enough to where we’re both just very happy seeing each other, then giving extra is okay. But I won’t do that if I’m just starting out. Most SBs that are trying to get pay without offering anything in return aren’t successful in the bowl. There may be a few cases where that happens but it never lead to long term. It has to also benefit me.  O0

This is no different than  you taking a normal girl out to dinner dates a few times but she’s doesn’t want to put out. You’re just wasting time and effort. Guys have to pay with their time and energy too trying to get sex for free with women who aren’t finding them valuable. 

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The foundation of going to work is for the money.  Who here works for free?   :2funny:

Looking for a real GF relationship is not work.  It involves a lot of synergy but it is classified more of a hobby or a game so of speak.  I'll speak more about it and its connotation in another thread and I welcome all to read it.   

The best "work" for babies are those who are not involved in sex.  That's like hitting the jackpot.  Get payed for basically showing up.  Even I can do it if that is just the term O0

You have to remember that babies are at work.  No matter if they like it or not, they still want to get payed.  They can be picky about it too.  No hard feelings but unless you are a millionaire or better, I'm not going to buy yours service because I don't want to waste my time with petty stuff.  Save your money for your "REAL" future instead of giving me half of your paycheck.  Only mental illness simp does that.   O0

Yeah right. Who even pay for platonic lmao. Platonic babes usually don’t receive allowance. That’s just like me paying for a friend to be there. Who the f pay for a friend they are seeing and say “here’s your money” see you again next week.   

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I’d rather guys do the passport and or improve themselves and level up, rather than to use game and cold approach a hundred women just to get rejected.

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I also would like to add the idea of this type of hustle by your baby.  She knows the game well enough to keep you entice. She has to keep you on your toes, makes you believe and to enhances your emotional senses.  What I may say may not get to you because you are delusional in love.  It is what all babies want out of such arrangements.  They are hoping that you stay with the same status of not having a real gf for as long as possible to keep that allowance to continue to flow.  I mean who to say or stop you from one day to run into your true love right?  If this happens, you would rather put that allowance on your real gf instead of some sugar baby and by then, your baby would be older so an upgrade is needed. 

I appreciate the hustle but I tend to read further than what meets the eye.   O0

Sounds like you can’t maintain a sugar relationship. That’s just how broke men tell me they are broke lol.

That’s just somebody that can't afford to provide for the people they care for justifying their inability to provide.

You don’t think those babies have to put in effort? I mean they still have to show up, put makeup on, get dolled up, getting intimate  etc. Most SBs aren’t successful at doing this. There are more SBs that exceed the number of SDs. I think the ratio was like 10:1 or something like that. It isn’t like Tinder where women has the advantage. To be a successful SB they have to be the best of the best. The ones they are successful are attractive to their daddy, they have to be attentive, keep an open mind and be affectionate. Sugar dating isnt without risk. Lots of scammers and rinsers. You think a daddy will just blow up tons of money on someone just like that? Lol. 

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Short answer: just give them at least $500 a week. It just depend on the girl and how much they are asking for. For me I give her little bit above that. $600 a week and sometimes $700. You don’t have to make millions, you just have to be able to afford her allowance and have extra to go out to play and fun stuff.  If a guy can’t spend this much then he don’t belong in the sugar bowl.

Marriage is going to cost you more. It’s the most expensive way to go.

Sugar dating requires trust, commitment and showing up. Without that it becomes dirty and murky and attracting the wrong people. It also takes good care and nourish of the relationship. 

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My SBs introduced me to their parents already. Ashley parents knows I’m helping her financially. Her mom is Korean and her dad is White. I got kudo points because her mom like me. Her mom made me tacos 2 weeks ago. She has a close relationship with her dad but she talk about me more to her mom.

Love is also help too. Here’s a passage to prove it:

James 2:15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food.

James 2:16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it?

James 2:17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

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The Single & Dating Scenes / Re: Reality check
« on: September 21, 2022, 06:54:21 AM »
Imagine trying to get into a college with a 4.0 GPA and ACT 30, but your GPA is only a 2.0 and ACT 20, and you’re not athletic or suck in sports, that’s what it’s like trying to get a chick who is a 8s, 9s and 10s that’s outta your league.

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You can always find an exception but it’s not the rule.

There’s no magical formula for average guys or obese guy dating a hot supermodel unless he have money or status.

There’s a science that showed younger girls like older men too. Older men who are more established. Of course most women don’t like older men but they are out there.

For some people, dating someone on Tinder is the same as dating someone older. She might prefer an older man the same way when she sugar. Others may accept a few flaws here and there.

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Its an escort
Some black dude is probably shatting her right now

Many dude

Thats not love

We all just going to have to share lol

If you’re a high value guy women will share you too.

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Normal dating will never be the same as a sugar relationship.  You are delusional if you think so.  If I want to be a sugar baby to my 30 years old couger, I'll have the intention of my own "Game" in mind.  I need my bills to be payed.  I need someone to pay for my college tuition.  If it was not for my financial hardship, I wouldn't be a sugar baby.  So you see, it comes with a condition.  They are babies because they wannabe gold diggers of a lesser degree.  Real gold diggers wants to marry their rich guy.  In a sugar baby (female) situation, she knows she can not marry her sugar daddy who is older and has his own wife and kids.  There may be a less than 1% of the babies population that ends up marrying their daddy but it will be an ugly one.  For starters, he will need to divorce and if not, a movie theme can play out and someone hire a killer to do the deed.  With your situation, if they know that you are fair game because you have no wife or kids then there might be a chance that they may and a big "MAY" fall in love with you but the question still remains, it is a dirty industry so are they going to love you and marry you or are they looking for something in the billion dollar worth of a daddy?  Are you a millionaire?  If not then no effing chance.

Your babies chose you because you are not married nor have kids so that's easy money for them.  It is the same principle as a hooker would prefer to have sex for money with a china looking man because he pack a short one.  It is easy money for them.  So all this about they chose you for your decent looks is horse crap.  They are doing it for the allowance.  Like I told you before, I don't need anything from you but put me on your allowance and I will talk to you on PH for days if you want and that's the truth.   :2funny:

You have your expection and that's ok.  When you failed on getting a dime to date you and you know the statistic of such failure from a chump change guy seeking for a dime without going the seekingarangem ent.com way, you will get discourage and resorts to sugar lifestyle.  You see the problem here?  The problem is you.  You are a charcoal looking for a diamond.  It doesn't work that way.  You can fawk a dime by paying her and you will not get credit for it.  Why?  Because anyone with money can fawk a dime.  There is no challenge into this.  Money doesn't replace total satisfaction is what I'm talking about here.   O0

The foundation to a sugar relationship is money. If you are using money, you still have to meet a certain look standard for most sugar babies. Some sugar babies are not just looking for straight sex arrangement. That’s a prostitute. Sugar babies are not prostitutes. They’re gonna want a connection too. How do I know this? I know this because I’ve been to multiple dates with women and we didn’t feel a connection so either she ghost or I ghost lol. It took me a little while to find one or two who’s attracted to me. It takes effort just like regular Tinder. Even on Tinder you’ll have some women who will also stood you up, it’s no different than the women on Seeking. Most sugar babies ( I say most cuz that’s been my experience) they have to be attracted to their sugar daddy. A sugar baby has needs that’s why she sign up for this in the first place so if you strip the money away it doesn’t matter how much she like you, she will move on to someone else to support her financial needs. So when you get flaked or cheated on, you have to remember that they are doing this for their own survival and what’s best for them.

Honestly though I understand where you’re coming from. It’s just Redpill knowledge about women. What you’re saying is  true, there are women out there that will use you. But like you said there’s that exception. Well I did found mine lol. It may not be true love at first but that doesn’t mean it’s not genuine or that it can’t evolve into a genuine affection. When I met Ashley she’s closer to a vanilla gf than a sugar baby that’s why it work out for us. My other SB whom I was also in a long term sugar relationship with for 3 years. We have genuine affection. I did mentioned Ashley just got out of a relationship so she wasn’t a SB before that. Mind you a few girls on Seeking are Tinder girls who’s looking to date as well. Just like there are guys on there that don’t want to pay. SBs  Honestly you just can’t be mad at them. Level up so you can have options. Women have their nature, we have our nature too. We like beautiful women too. 

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