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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: theking on February 27, 2019, 11:21:24 PM
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Ran into an old friend and we started talking and catching up a bit. I asked him, what did he do after college and he told me that he ended up taking care of his aging parents full-time instead of pursuing what he earned his degree in. The reason is, his older siblings designated him as the care provider of their aging parents because that's how "the Hmong family structure works"...
He's in his 30's, never married and has no dependent since his aging and in bad health parents rely on him so much and take up pretty all his time. His only source of income is through in home supported services as a care provider for his parents.
He has several brothers and sisters but they are too busy making money and focusing on their own families to help out. His siblings hardly ever visit his parents or call them on the phone to check up on them because they depend on him to do those things as the care provider. My friend has accepted his role but he does have an issue when it comes to helping out financially for family events.
He has a hard time understanding why his siblings still ask him for equal contribution when they throw an event or family function for their parents. Keep in mind that in home supported services doesn't pay that much so he also has the least amount financial resources to chip in.
I told him that since he takes care of his parents pretty much all the time i.e., doctor's appointment, cooking, cleaning, watching them 24/7, etc., it's only fair that his siblings take care of all the other things like paying for those celebrating and honoring parents type of events. In fact, that should be the least that they do since they are free from providing for their parents and make much more money than him.
Therefore, how many of you are in his position? And are you required to equally pitch in financially when it comes to family functions like celebrating/honoring parents event?
Just curious?? ???
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Excellent post. Thank you for bringing this topic up. I agree with you. O0 O0
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hmong traditional families will require the youngest son to take care of the parents. there shouldn't be an objection unless, he is unable for some reason such as a disability and/or other obligations that would prevent him from doing so. Neglecting the role would prove him to be an unworthy person. with him not having a wife yet, no child support of any kind and lack of outside costs, he should not be hindered by the obligations. his contribution should be to what he can provide, it may or may nor be equals as the other siblings but some contributions would be required. it is not like he watched his parents for free...he is getting reimbursed for the services, it is still considered as a job.
if it was me, i would be the one to make the most contributions and everyone else pitch in as necessary.
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No problem. I welcome my Mom openly, anytime she is ready to come stay with us.
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you did say he wasn't married, think about what that means in Hmong culture.
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like your friend i'm the tou-ger aka tub ntxawg which means that my mom lives with me... financially, i also make the least of my siblings that's just a simple fact...
yrs ago my mom had heart surgery... i threw her a feast aka khi-tes and i wasn't expecting anything financially from my siblings... obviously the feast was at my house... my older brother ended up splitting the cost with me... i also had a couple of sisters who financially gave me what they could... in the end, and moving forward... if it's my idea, i have no issues in terms of finance... if it's my siblings idea the same holds true...
to split the cost... that's just something my family has never done or will ever do...
my mother in law recently had a stroke... i told my wife that i would like to khi-tes and kill a pig for her... and financially we would cover the cost... turns out that her sisters would like to pitch in too... so be it...
the thing with me is that if i plan on doing anything for the elders i don't rely on anyone financially... if siblings or folks ask for financial assistant... i'll help with what i can but i'm not going to split the cost evenly based on their ideas...
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I'm in America so I play by my own rules.
Either each kids pay daddy $1,000 a month so others can take care of them or we do a trade off. Parents take care of my kids full time and live with us. It's a Chinese thing.
Or, if the parents are loaded, the ones who takes care of them gets 70% of that will. Now let's see who still have that azn respect for their rents.
Usually the smartest and richest of the kids will step up to babysit their parents.
Parents shouldn't hold their kids back unless they make it in the world to such that they have the foundation to take care of their elders.
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Here's the really sad part of our conversation. My friend told me that his parent would silently cry because their other children don't visit much less make a phone call to check on them. All my friend could do is let his parents know that he already let his older siblings know about the crying and missing aspects but he can't forced them to visit or call. I asked, if his siblings were that out of touch, why do they even bother throwing events for their mom and dad? He said it's all about "face" because they want the community see them as caring children but in reality, they don't visit and can't even spend 5 minutes to make a phone call to say hi.
My friend also said that his parents used pretty much all of their financial resources to help his older siblings particularly with education, weddings and bride price stuff when they need it but now that his parents need them, they couldn't even find the time to make a phone call except when they want to make themselves look good in the eyes of the community...
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That's the thing, my friend's parents had no favorite as they love all their children the same. With that said, my friend ended up with the least amount of support as his parents already spent most of their resources on the older siblings i.e., cars, education, weddings, etc.,..Not to mention time and energy to help them with babysitting the grand kids and such. Plus, as they aged, they have more health issues too ... so my friend has to do even more for them.
I agree that as much as it hurts seeing his parents cried, all he can do is let his older siblings know about it but can't force them to visit or call as they are adults and should know better anyways. I told him that his parents should reject those "for show" honoring parents type of functions as it's not pure and genuine based on the information he disclosed to me. His parents should also be upfront to others in the community when they asked about their children like who really cares and loves them and who doesn't ...Forget about faking their mental pain by protecting their children's uncaring "face"... :knuppel2:
Man, after that conversation with my friend, I'm just glad and very grateful that my siblings and I are not like that. We all visit our mother and offer to go pick her up and/or fly her over to visit us and for as often and as long as she likes. O0
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Hopefully your friend's siblings will step in to help him take care of his parents. Last child or not, it shouldn't matter. So sad to see someone go through all that school to end up not using it due to life circumstances beyond control. Also unfortunate that some kids will forsake their parents until the parents are about to pass away. You can call it karma or whatever I suppose.
I'm the oldest child in my family. My parents have paid their house and cars off and are in good health, so other than taking care of my 2 youngest siblings, they have few financial hardships. We always send my parents $ here and there and when we are visiting them, we take them to do something fun, eat somewhere of their choice, and take them to shop for items for themselves as well as groceries for the family. Also, if our parents ever express they're searching or wanting to try something, if it's in our means we get it for them.
Most of our other siblings that work and live in the same city as our parents already help our parents here and there, too. Most of us siblings know in our hearts they love no one more than the other, although often times some of us felt they are more lenient and paid more attention to the boys.
One day, if my youngest brother or the other brothers doesn't want the responsibility of taking care of my parents, husband and I already decided that we'll take them in with no strings attached just as we are doing with my FIL. Financially, we depend on ourselves. Even though FIL gets social security benefits and offers us $ towards mortgage or groceries, we never accept it, thus we'll extend this to my parents as well.
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Yeah, the older siblings are suppose to be wiser and know better but guess that's not the case with my friend's siblings... ???
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I also asked my friend, how do his older siblings and their spouses treat the in-law side's grandparents but he's not sure as they don't really stay in touch except when they want to make themselves look good in the eyes of the community...or be the "face" of the family... ???
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That's the thing, my friend's parents had no favorite as they love all their children the same. With that said, my friend ended up with the least amount of support as his parents already spent most of their resources on the older siblings i.e., cars, education, weddings, etc.,..Not to mention time and energy to help them with babysitting the grand kids and such. Plus, as they aged, they have more health issues too ... so my friend has to do even more for them.
I agree that as much as it hurts seeing his parents cried, all he can do is let his older siblings know about it but can't force them to visit or call as they are adults and should know better anyways. I told him that his parents should reject those "for show" honoring parents type of functions as it's not pure and genuine based on the information he disclosed to me. His parents should also be upfront to others in the community when they asked about their children like who really cares and loves them and who doesn't ...Forget about faking their mental pain by protecting their children's uncaring "face"... :knuppel2:
Man, after that conversation with my friend, I'm just glad and very grateful that my siblings and I are not like that. We all visit our mother and offer to go pick her up and/or fly her over to visit us and for as often and as long as she likes. O0
I would have to disagree with that advice. Whether it's genuine or just for "face", it shouldn't matter. Now that falls on your friend's ego, he that has become What his siblings are doing. What matters is what the parents wants. If that's the only time that the parents are able to enjoy their time with their other kids, then it should be their choice. Because their if time with their other kids makes them happy, it's genuine to them. Your friend shouldn't take that away from them.
Seeing your parent's tears of joy just once will replace the numerous times their tears was out of grief. If his love for his parents are genuine, then seeing their tears of joy should be worth a lot more to him than his anger for his siblings showing "face" to the community. Refusing to give his parents their happiness is just as bad as what his siblings are doing, if not worse, since he himself is doing it for his ego.
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Man, after that conversation with my friend, I'm just glad and very grateful that my siblings and I are not like that. We all visit our mother and offer to go pick her up and/or fly her over to visit us and for as often and as long as she likes. O0
Imagine how she feels regardless of whether you guys are doing it because you want to see her or "just for show." Now imagine how she would feel if all of a sudden you refuse to let your siblings fly her out to visit them.
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I would have to disagree with that advice. Whether it's genuine or just for "face", it shouldn't matter. Now that falls on your friend's ego, he that has become What his siblings are doing. What matters is what the parents wants. If that's the only time that the parents are able to enjoy their time with their other kids, then it should be their choice. Because their if time with their other kids makes them happy, it's genuine to them. Your friend shouldn't take that away from them.
That's not what his parents "wants" because they also know it's not "genuine" but they don't have the heart to speak up. More reasons why his parents need be upfront and let his older siblings know how they really feel about these just for "show" or "face" events.
Seeing your parent's tears of joy just once will replace the numerous times their tears was out of grief. If his love for his parents are genuine, then seeing their tears of joy should be worth a lot more to him than his anger for his siblings showing "face" to the community. Refusing to give his parents their happiness is just as bad as what his siblings are doing, if not worse, since he himself is doing it for his ego.
And nope, no "tears of joy" as his parents also know it's fake. After the event, they have no problems expressing their complaints to my friend of how they really feel because he's their care provider and the only child that they feel still care about them. Which is why his parents gotta stop holding the pressure in and be upfront and release some pressures by rejecting those events unless it's genuine. They can secretly complain to my friend all they want but don't think it'll do much...It should to come straight from them. That way they'll know sure if their other children really give a damn by visiting more or not as action is more important than words.
My friend is caught in the middle so this family drama is stress that he doesn't need.
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Imagine how she feels regardless of whether you guys are doing it because you want to see her or "just for show." Now imagine how she would feel if all of a sudden you refuse to let your siblings fly her out to visit them.
Couldn't "Imagine" anything remotely close to doing things for her "just for show" as we all know how much she has sacrificed for us so the very least we can do is return as much of the genuine love back to her as possible. As hard as we try, I don't think we could ever repay her 100 percent.
And also couldn't "imagine" anything remotely close to "refuse to let your siblings...." as we all love her the same and visit her as much as possible so that thought is not even on our mind. She has also express how lucky of a mother she is but we are actually the lucky ones to have her raised and guide us. Very thankful, my siblings and I are not going through the family drama my friend and his family is going through..
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That's the thing, my friend's parents had no favorite as they love all their children the same. With that said, my friend ended up with the least amount of support as his parents already spent most of their resources on the older siblings i.e., cars, education, weddings, etc.,..Not to mention time and energy to help them with babysitting the grand kids and such. Plus, as they aged, they have more health issues too ... so my friend has to do even more for them.
I agree that as much as it hurts seeing his parents cried, all he can do is let his older siblings know about it but can't force them to visit or call as they are adults and should know better anyways. I told him that his parents should reject those "for show" honoring parents type of functions as it's not pure and genuine based on the information he disclosed to me. His parents should also be upfront to others in the community when they asked about their children like who really cares and loves them and who doesn't ...Forget about faking their mental pain by protecting their children's uncaring "face"... :knuppel2:
Man, after that conversation with my friend, I'm just glad and very grateful that my siblings and I are not like that. We all visit our mother and offer to go pick her up and/or fly her over to visit us and for as often and as long as she likes. O0
to reject a good gesture is turning you back on the help/attention you desire. if one is not genuine in the deeds they do, they would not do it at all.
it is appropriate in the hmong culture to honor thy parents by throwing a hu plig/khi tes or a celebration of some sort. your advice to have the parents refute and/or reject the good deed and rather shame their kids (to the community?? :idiot2:) is ill advised. Good parents do not need to make their children show who loves/cares for them more...it isn't a competition. they just need to know who's going to be present when the time comes. If the parents humiliate their off springs to the public, they're simply shaming themselves because they raised them (you're probably a bad parent that is why you're kids are bad).
your best advice to your friend is to remind him to be grateful to have parents that are still alive...love and care for them, to the best of his ability and a little of life insurance, won't hurt either.
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to reject a good gesture is turning you back on the help/attention you desire. if one is not genuine in the deeds they do, they would not do it at all.
Not surprised to see someone that proudly supports lies and fakes also think that faking love for show is "a good gesture"...Sure your parents are happy with your fake love towards them but that's not the case my friend's parents.
it is appropriate in the hmong culture to honor thy parents by throwing a hu plig/khi tes or a celebration of some sort. your advice to have the parents refute and/or reject the good deed and rather shame their kids (to the community?? :idiot2:) is ill advised. Good parents do not need to make their children show who loves/cares for them more...it isn't a competition. they just need to know who's going to be present when the time comes. If the parents humiliate their off springs to the public, they're simply shaming themselves because they raised them (you're probably a bad parent that is why you're kids are bad).
your best advice to your friend is to remind him to be grateful to have parents that are still alive...love and care for them, to the best of his ability and a little of life insurance, won't hurt either.
You not being able to comprehend the point of this situation shows how much of a DUNCE you are :idiot2:...and nope, the "public" already know how good of parents they are by witnessing the sacrificed they've made for their children especially the older ones over the years such as making big purchases, paying for their education and weddings.
And my friend is already taking care of his parents to the best of this ability and putting his life on hold so he can just focus on taking care of his aging and in bad health parents..but I'm not surprised you missed all those info in this thread... :idiot2: :idiot2:
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^^^ LOL :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Friends don't give friends bad advice, especially when the advice given will jeopardizes their family's relationship.
because your boyfriend don't have time for you and no money for the parent's ceremony, maybe you contribute on his behalf...that's what a real good boyfriend would do! ha!
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^^^ LOL :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Friends don't give friends bad advice, especially when the advice given will jeopardizes their family's relationship.
because your boyfriend don't have time for you and no money for the parent's ceremony, maybe you contribute on his behalf...that's what a real good boyfriend would do! ha!
What's that? You still love pulling back your master/"boyfriend" Trump's foreskin way back so you don't miss any of his semen around the gland of his penis as you run the tip of your tongue around it The Trump Penis Worshiper??
Go for it, more Trump's semen power to you... ;D ;D ;D
Sounds about right for someone that proudly supports lies and fakes and think returning fake love to his own parents is a "good gesture"...so nothing "new" here.. ;D
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^^^LOL...Oh No! theking is foaming with semen, at the mouth...again!
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^^^LOL...Oh No! theking is foaming with semen, at the mouth...again!
"Oh No!" The DUNCE Trump's penis worshiper that proudly supports lies and fakes loves the "foaming" effects as his master/"boyfriend" Trump's "semen" swim around every inch of his tongue, throat, and "mouth"...The highlight of his days is being able to pull his master/"boyfriend" Trump's foreskin down as far as he can to expose the whole penile gland, and stretch his master trump's wrinkled scrotum as wide as he can so no semen can escape his mouth, tongue and throat...
Then he runs home like a phagget to his mommy and give her some fake love by kissing her her on the cheek with his Trump semen lathered lips and say it's a "good gesture"... ;D ;D ;D
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Depends is the best answer to this thread ;D ;D ;D ;D
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That's not what his parents "wants" because they also know it's not "genuine" but they don't have the heart to speak up. More reasons why his parents need be upfront and let his older siblings know how they really feel about these just for "show" or "face" events.
And nope, no "tears of joy" as his parents also know it's fake. After the event, they have no problems expressing their complaints to my friend of how they really feel because he's their care provider and the only child that they feel still care about them. Which is why his parents gotta stop holding the pressure in and be upfront and release some pressures by rejecting those events unless it's genuine. They can secretly complain to my friend all they want but don't think it'll do much...It should to come straight from them. That way they'll know sure if their other children really give a damn by visiting more or not as action is more important than words.
My friend is caught in the middle so this family drama is stress that he doesn't need.
Those two comments are contradicting. If they still need confirmation whether their other children cares about them then how do they know that the events are fakes? With more information being added now, the problem might not be so clear. I'm not saying that I am correct, but it seems like it is your friend, who has a problem with his siblings and not the parents.
Action is more important than words? It depends. Many times it is , but it isn't the "rule" especially in this situation. We as humans are a social species. We interact with each language through the usage of our actions and words. Sometimes words are just used for making excuses, telling lies, etc, and don't mean how the person really feels. In this case, the actions may be more important than words. But other times, words may be more important than actions. Because many times, we misinterpret someone's actions, and that's when words are needed to explain what the individual actually feels.
The parents are complaining about their children, and yet, they are still allowing them to do events. Their actions are showing that they do want the events. And that is what their actions are telling their children. But if they need to their children otherwise, their words are more important.
.....That's not what his parents "wants" because they also know it's not "genuine" but they don't have the heart to speak up. ....
How do you, or your friend, know if that's not what the parents want? Whether or not the parents know that it's not "genuine", is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with what they want.
To me, this all seems to be more on how your friend feels, and not particularly about what his parents feel. And he is just using his siblings' actions as a way of justification for how he feels about the unfairness in his family, more specifically, he being treated unfairly.
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All of my siblings live in the same state as my siblings. I'm the only one who moved away. Because of this, I always feel like I need to contribute more when it comes to family functions because I'm not there for their day to day needs. I've also made it known that I wouldn't be hurt if my parents didn't leave me anything. Although I've also made it known that my parents need to leave something to my sisters who take care of all their needs even though they are married and out of the house. I understand the hmong way, but if my brothers follow the hmong way and stepped up, I wouldn't have to say this.
But it all comes down to what your friend is willing to put up with. He has resigned himself to that position and has not spoken up for himself. I'm sure if he made it known that he has already made a huge sacrifice, they will understand. If they don't, it's their problem, not his. He shouldn't have to shoulder everything by himself.
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Those two comments are contradicting. If they still need confirmation whether their other children cares about them then how do they know that the events are fakes? With more information being added now, the problem might not be so clear. I'm not saying that I am correct, but it seems like it is your friend, who has a problem with his siblings and not the parents.
Nope it's not contracting. If they don't want it, they just have to speak up and be honest about it. It's fake because the older children are doing it to protect their own reputations so the community don't shame them as the community also know how much their parents have sacrificed for them over the years when they needed their parents support. They drive to the event spot to take care of business and once the event is over, they don't even stop by the parents'' place before going back to their own home. The parents are the ones that are really hurt because they also know it's for show but they don't have heart to speak up. But rather complain and cry to my friend once the event is over..Which is why the parents need to speak up and be honest of how they really feel about it.
Action is more important than words? It depends. Many times it is , but it isn't the "rule" especially in this situation. We as humans are a social species. We interact with each language through the usage of our actions and words. Sometimes words are just used for making excuses, telling lies, etc, and don't mean how the person really feels. In this case, the actions may be more important than words. But other times, words may be more important than actions. Because many times, we misinterpret someone's actions, and that's when words are needed to explain what the individual actually feels.
All talk, no walk is not good...especia lly fake ones.
The parents are complaining about their children, and yet, they are still allowing them to do events. Their actions are showing that they do want the events. And that is what their actions are telling their children. But if they need to their children otherwise, their words are more important.
Yep, that's why I said, they need to be upfront and reject it...
.....That's not what his parents "wants" because they also know it's not "genuine" but they don't have the heart to speak up. ....
How do you, or your friend, know if that's not what the parents want? Whether or not the parents know that it's not "genuine", is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with what they want.
The way they complain to my friend behind closed doors..
To me, this all seems to be more on how your friend feels, and not particularly about what his parents feel. And he is just using his siblings' actions as a way of justification for how he feels about the unfairness in his family, more specifically, he being treated unfairly.
His parents are the ones crying and complaining to him. Which is why I suggested that his parents need to speak up, be honest and reject these fake events if it's just going to cause more pain...
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All of my siblings live in the same state as my siblings. I'm the only one who moved away. Because of this, I always feel like I need to contribute more when it comes to family functions because I'm not there for their day to day needs. I've also made it known that I wouldn't be hurt if my parents didn't leave me anything. Although I've also made it known that my parents need to leave something to my sisters who take care of all their needs even though they are married and out of the house. I understand the hmong way, but if my brothers follow the hmong way and stepped up, I wouldn't have to say this.
But it all comes down to what your friend is willing to put up with. He has resigned himself to that position and has not spoken up for himself. I'm sure if he made it known that he has already made a huge sacrifice, they will understand. If they don't, it's their problem, not his. He shouldn't have to shoulder everything by himself.
He shouldn't have to speak up as they already seen how much he's doing for his and their parents already and they know his resources as a care provider. From the information I gathered, even if he speaks up, I don't think they care. Keep in mind that spending 5 minutes on the phone with their parents is already too much to ask. Also based on the information disclosed to me, the only reason why they are throwing these fake events is to protect their own reputations as the community have also seen how much their parents have sacrificed for them when they needed them over the years. Every time they do these fake events, the parents complain and cry more to my friend but he can't do much about it as his siblings are older and should know better. Which is why I suggest the parents speak up, be honest and reject these fake events that will just cause more pain for them...and when the members of the community asked, just be honest...
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Couldn't "Imagine" anything remotely close to doing things for her "just for show" as we all know how much she has sacrificed for us so the very least we can do is return as much of the genuine love back to her as possible. As hard as we try, I don't think we could ever repay her 100 percent.
And also couldn't "imagine" anything remotely close to "refuse to let your siblings...." as we all love her the same and visit her as much as possible so that thought is not even on our mind. She has also express how lucky of a mother she is but we are actually the lucky ones to have her raised and guide us. Very thankful, my siblings and I are not going through the family drama my friend and his family is going through..
But that was what you're telling your friend to do.
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But that was what you're telling your friend to do.
Nope, didn't tell my friend to do that ("refusing to let" his siblings visit the parents) so you're wrong on that...I told him that if his parents are hurt by the way his older siblings do things just for show to protect their own reputations or for whatever selfish reasons, they (the parents) need to speak up, be honest and reject those for "face" event instead of complaining to him about it behind close doors afterward. The parents don't have the heart to speak up but if they do, their words should have more impact than my friend relaying the message to his older siblings like a messenger. If the parents continue to partake even thought it hurts, they also have themselves to blame ...Simply put: only the parents can really stop the pain that are bothering them and have some closure from it.
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Now put your own foot into the situation. Kids are all grown up, you are retired, what is it that you expect out of your kids?
The right answer for me is absolutely nothing. My job as a father is done once my kids have wings to fly. If they want to visit me or come back to the nest, the door is wide open but i will not expect them to visit me and worry about me. It is all optional. Why?
Cuz kids in America behave differently so it all depends on what school of thought you want to live your life with.
If anything, I want my kids to visit their kids and their wife. Build up their own foundation and stop expecting from people. You will be disappointed if you expect people to behave the way you want them to behave and not getting it.
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He shouldn't have to speak up as they already seen how much he's doing for his and their parents already and they know his resources as a care provider. From the information I gathered, even if he speaks up, I don't think they care. Keep in mind that spending 5 minutes on the phone with their parents is already too much to ask. Also based on the information disclosed to me, the only reason why they are throwing these fake events is to protect their own reputations as the community have also seen how much their parents have sacrificed for them when they needed them over the years. Every time they do these fake events, the parents complain and cry more to my friend but he can't do much about it as his siblings are older and should know better. Which is why I suggest the parents speak up, be honest and reject these fake events that will just cause more pain for them...and when the members of the community asked, just be honest...
He shouldn't have to speak up but because they dont care, he has to make his voice heard. The OGs won't say or do anything because either way, they are benefiting. Your friend is enabling his siblings by staying. As sad as it may seem, your friend has to physically leave this situation so that his parents and sibling can see all that he does. He's not abandoning the parents since it'll force his siblings to step up. Sometimes we have to be selfish and take care of our own mental health too.
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He shouldn't have to speak up but because they dont care, he has to make his voice heard. The OGs won't say or do anything because either way, they are benefiting. Your friend is enabling his siblings by staying. As sad as it may seem, your friend has to physically leave this situation so that his parents and sibling can see all that he does. He's not abandoning the parents since it'll force his siblings to step up. Sometimes we have to be selfish and take care of our own mental health too.
My friend hasn't spoken up against them asking him to help out financially equally even though they should know better especially since they are able to freely pursue their career goals and he had to put his aside for his "Hmong" role but I think he should too and if they disagree, just not pitch in or participate as his siblings and their parents already what how much he has done. Plus, he's not really a fan of his older siblings doing these events for shows anyways since it doesn't benefit his parents.
As far as his parents' pain and complaints go, he has spoken up and told his older siblings about it but they still don't visit or even make phone calls so it's up to the parents to speak up, be honest and reject those fake parent honoring events. If the parents don't speak up for themselves and continue to partake in these for "face" and show events, and then complain to my friend behind closed doors about it, they also have themselves to blame.
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Nope, didn't tell my friend to do that ("refusing to let" his siblings visit the parents) so you're wrong on that...I told him that if his parents are hurt by the way his older siblings do things just for show to protect their own reputations or for whatever selfish reasons, they (the parents) need to speak up, be honest and reject those for "face" event instead of complaining to him about it behind close doors afterward. The parents don't have the heart to speak up but if they do, their words should have more impact than my friend relaying the message to his older siblings like a messenger. If the parents continue to partake even thought it hurts, they also have themselves to blame ...Simply put: only the parents can really stop the pain that are bothering them and have some closure from it.
Rejecting to let them do the events is refusing to let them visit if that's the only time that they do visit. And that results in the parents not be able to see them.
Like you said, actions are more important than words, and their actions speaks for themselves. The parent's actions are saying that they do want the events. They choose to let their children do the events and get to see them instead of hurting them and rejecting them and not able to see them. So it is refusing to let the parents see them.
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Rejecting to let them do the events is refusing to let them visit if that's the only time that they do visit. And that results in the parents not be able to see them.
Like you said, actions are more important than words, and their actions speaks for themselves. The parent's actions are saying that they do want the events. They choose to let their children do the events and get to see them instead of hurting them and rejecting them and not able to see them. So it is refusing to let the parents see them.
Wrong again, I've never told my friend to "refusing to let" his siblings visit the parents...In fact, he would like them to visit more often with genuine care so his parents would complain less to him.
Where did you pull the wrong statement claiming I told my friend that he needs to "refuse" to let his older siblings visit the parents?
What I said is his parents need to be upfront and honest and reject these fake for "face" events if it's just gonna cause more pain. The parents don't want it because it's not genuine but they don't have the heart to speak up and tell the truth. However, they have no problems complaining to my friend behind closed door about it afterward.
If the visitation or time spent together is fake, it doesn't matter if it's one visit or 100 visits, it just causes more pain for the parents especially when they think of all the times they've sacrificed for their older kids that are neglecting them now...
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Wrong again, I've never told my friend to "refusing to let" his siblings visit the parents... You said it yourself, actions are more important than words. The act to refuse is the result from your advice. Here's the Facts: Event occurs, siblings visiting parents. Event doesn't occur, siblings not visiting parents. Siblings have event, siblings are there with parents. Have no event, no siblings with parents. Accept event, event occurs, siblings are present. Reject event, no event, siblings are not present. You could say, but if they didn't do it for show, they are allow to do it. That still doesn't change the fact that your advice refused them to visit.
In fact, he would like them to visit more often with genuine care so his parents would complain less to him. This is irrelevant because it was not your advice, just a poor excuse to draw attention from your advice. Therefore, it's dismiss.
Where did you pull the wrong statement claiming I told my friend that he needs to "refuse" to let his older siblings visit the parents? That's the excuse that many people use when they don't want to take responsibility .
What I said is his parents need to be upfront and honest and reject these fake for "face" events if it's just gonna cause more pain. The parents don't want it because it's not genuine but they don't have the heart to speak up and tell the truth. However, they have no problems complaining to my friend behind closed door about it afterward.
If the visitation or time spent together is fake, it doesn't matter if it's one visit or 100 visits, it just causes more pain for the parents especially when they think of all the times they've sacrificed for their older kids that are neglecting them now...It depends, some people want to just spend time with the people they love regardless of the reason. That's more important to them. But that's besides the point, the matter of fact is that you gave a bad advice. The reason why it's bad is because it's based on your view regarding on the way you feel about people "faking" or doing things for "show". And because of that, it fails to recognize the bad results that comes with it. You failed to see the real dilemma, that is, how the parents feel. You went from the parents wanting to see more of their children, then jumped to defending your stance on people "faking". It's evident when you avoided my comment and started the defense of your stance with you and your siblings regarding your mom, missing the whole point.
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You said it yourself, actions are more important than words. The act to refuse is the result from your advice. Here's the Facts: Event occurs, siblings visiting parents. Event doesn't occur, siblings not visiting parents. Siblings have event, siblings are there with parents. Have no event, no siblings with parents. Accept event, event occurs, siblings are present. Reject event, no event, siblings are not present. You could say, but if they didn't do it for show, they are allow to do it. That still doesn't change the fact that your advice refused them to visit.
You're still missing the point of the parents don't want "fake" visit just so the older siblings can protect their own reputations in the eyes of the community. They rather not participate but don't have the heart to speak up based on the complaints they've made to my friend.
This is irrelevant because it was not your advice, just a poor excuse to draw attention from your advice. Therefore, it's dismiss.
That's the excuse that many people use when they don't want to take responsibility .
As expected, nothing to back your made up BS claim of falsely accusing me telling my friend, he should "refused" his older siblings visiting their parents.
It depends, some people want to just spend time with the people they love regardless of the reason. That's more important to them. But that's besides the point, the matter of fact is that you gave a bad advice. The reason why it's bad is because it's based on your view regarding on the way you feel about people "faking" or doing things for "show". And because of that, it fails to recognize the bad results that comes with it. You failed to see the real dilemma, that is, how the parents feel. You went from the parents wanting to see more of their children, then jumped to defending your stance on people "faking". It's evident when you avoided my comment and started the defense of your stance with you and your siblings regarding your mom, missing the whole point.
Wrong again, not in this case as the issue is clearly stated.. now you're making up more stuff with "based on your view"...The pain that the parents go through is already clearly stated based on the info I got from my friend but your poor reading comp issues continues to fail you. The parents DO want to see their older children more but it has be genuine, not a fake event just to make them look good in front of the community. Every time the older children do these fake events, it hurts the parents more...which is why I say, they need to speak up, be honest and reject it instead of just complaining to my friend about it afterward.
Show me the "comment" of yours that I've avoided...I bet nothing just like the made up "he's refusing to let his siblings visit their parents" BS claim...talk about "missing the whole point"...
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LOL...theking and his ignorant rhetorics, he can't accept THE FACT that he made an ill advised suggestion to his friend (denouncing the siblings). it's just common sense, that following through with his advice would tear the family further apart. friends don't give friends bad advice! ha!
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There is always two sides to a story. Get the perspective from the older siblings too before passing judgement.
If I was in the youngest son situation, I would make the best of the situation. Enjoy time with my parents. Spending time with our parents is never a waste of time. So what if the other siblings don't want to spend time with our parents. That is their lost. If we manage to keep our parents happy enough, they will have less time to worry about the other siblings not calling them. Our parents tears are a direct reflection of our failure as much as our other siblings.
In terms of responsibiliti es for our kids or parents, I am with Duma on this though. We shouldn't expect our kids to look after us, should they chose not to. But if we role model the love that we like our kids to follow (love our parents with sincerity), then more than likely our own kids will value the same and love us the same way (whether we expect them to or not).
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There is always two sides to a story. Get the perspective from the older siblings too before passing judgement.
True in many cases. I probably will never get my friend's older siblings side but going by the information I received, if it's that painful for the parents, my suggestion is still the same: the parents need to speak up, be honest about how they feel about those fake for "face" and show in front of the community functions, and stop participating in it. If not then they also have themselves to blame so no need complain behind closed door to my friend about it afterward..
My friend already told his older siblings about the pain and complaints from his aging and ailing parents when it comes to those for show functions as well as they can't even spend a few minutes to make a phone call to say hi and check up on their parents and it didn't do any good so the expression of pain and sadness should come straight from the parents. They were the ones that actually made the sacrifices for their older children when they needed them so it's only fitting that they speak up about how they really feel about the whole thing.
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First of all, you just buried your whole argument. Second, FACTS beat ignorance. Third, you are the one that don't fully understand what "reading comprehension" means or you're just dismissing what I have presented. Reading comprehension is not just about being able to read the words or know their definition. Being able to understand the meaning of what is written down plays a big part.
You're still missing the point of the parents don't want "fake" visit just so the older siblings can protect their own reputations in the eyes of the community.Failed. And I'll show you why below.
They rather not participate but don't have the heart to speak up based on the complaints they've made to my friend. Failed again. Why? Because action is more important than words. Come up with whatever excuse (words) you want, but it still doesn't change the FACT that they choose to participate (action) in the events.
As expected, nothing to back your made up BS claim of falsely accusing me telling my friend, he should "refused" his older siblings visiting their parents.
Failed again.
re·ject
verb
gerund or present participle: rejecting
/rəˈjekt/
dismiss as inadequate, inappropriate, or not to one's taste.
"union negotiators rejected a 1.5 percent pay increase"
refuse to agree to (a request).
"an application to hold a pop concert at the club was rejected"
synonyms: turn down, refuse, decline, say no to;
Siblings visit parents because event is going on. Rejecting (synonym for refusing) to do event = No event going on, so no siblings visiting. Reading comprehension is needed required here.
Wrong again, not in this case as the issue is clearly stated.. now you're making up more stuff with "based on your view"...Failed again.
True in many cases. I probably will never get my friend's older siblings side but going by the information I received,
Instead of getting all the FACTS from all the people involved, you made an ignorant claim based on your view.
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Show me the "comment" of yours that I've avoided...I bet nothing just like the made up "he's refusing to let his siblings visit their parents" BS claim...talk about "missing the whole point"...
:2funny: :2funny: LMAO After all those fails, you decided to copy the Hmong Notrodomus, resulting in another failure.
Bad news for you, because you just lost the bet. :2funny:
My comment.
Imagine how she feels regardless of whether you guys are doing it because you want to see her or "just for show." Now imagine how she would feel if all of a sudden you refuse to let your siblings fly her out to visit them.
I wanted you to put yourself in that situation and try to understand the situation and see how a parent feels. Instead, you avoided it by replying with this....
Couldn't "Imagine" anything remotely close to doing things for her "just for show" as we all know how much she has sacrificed for us so the very least we can do is return as much of the genuine love back to her as possible. As hard as we try, I don't think we could ever repay her 100 percent.
And also couldn't "imagine" anything remotely close to "refuse to let your siblings...." as we all love her the same and visit her as much as possible so that thought is not even on our mind. She has also express how lucky of a mother she is but we are actually the lucky ones to have her raised and guide us. Very thankful, my siblings and I are not going through the family drama my friend and his family is going through..
You immediately went into defense mode and started defending you and your siblings, going way off my point.
To summarize...
1. Your friend told you his situation.
2. Without having all the FACTS about the situation, you come up with an ignorant conclusion based on your own personal view.
3. Next, you gave your friend bad advice based on you and your view, disregarding the FACT that this situation/problem is between your friend and his family
4. When your advice was criticized for being a bad one, you failed to come up with good sound arguments defending why your advice isn't bad.
5. After failing to defend your bad advice, you refuse to accept responsibility for it.
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theking,
Nobody is perfect, we all make mistakes. It's whether you are willing to take responsibility for your actions or not. So far, it looks like you may become the newest member of the club that you hate so much.
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Btw,
Before you start accusing me, I don't claim nor did I claim that "faking" is ok. My argument is in regards to your bad advice.
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First of all, you just buried your whole argument. Second, FACTS beat ignorance. Third, you are the one that don't fully understand what "reading comprehension" means or you're just dismissing what I have presented. Reading comprehension is not just about being able to read the words or know their definition. Being able to understand the meaning of what is written down plays a big part.
Instead of getting all the FACTS from all the people involved, you made an ignorant claim based on your view.
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Show me the "comment" of yours that I've avoided...I bet nothing just like the made up "he's refusing to let his siblings visit their parents" BS claim...talk about "missing the whole point"...
:2funny: :2funny: LMAO After all those fails, you decided to copy the Hmong Notrodomus, resulting in another failure.
Bad news for you, because you just lost the bet. :2funny:
My comment.
I wanted you to put yourself in that situation and try to understand the situation and see how a parent feels. Instead, you avoided it by replying with this....
You immediately went into defense mode and started defending you and your siblings, going way off my point.
To summarize...
1. Your friend told you his situation.
2. Without having all the FACTS about the situation, you come up with an ignorant conclusion based on your own personal view.
3. Next, you gave your friend bad advice based on you and your view, disregarding the FACT that this situation/problem is between your friend and his family
4. When your advice was criticized for being a bad one, you failed to come up with good sound arguments defending why your advice isn't bad.
5. After failing to defend your bad advice, you refuse to accept responsibility for it.
As expected, nothing just like the made "refusing to let the siblings visit the parents" ignorant claim...all that rambling and tantruming and nothing...
As far as your "comment" goes, I already answered it a few posts back but given your reading comp issues, I'm not surprised you missed it too...WHAT AN EPIC "FAIL" you are...
That's just how it is when you make up stuff and can't back it up when challenged...a gain what an EPIC "FAIL"!!!
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theking,
Nobody is perfect, we all make mistakes. It's whether you are willing to take responsibility for your actions or not. So far, it looks like you may become the newest member of the club that you hate so much.
You made the mistake of making up stuff...all I see is tantrum from you as there's nothing to back up the ignorant claim accusing me 'telling my friend to refused his siblings visiting their parents'...Just for that, you are an EPIC "FAIL" and until you either find the fact evidence to back up your made up claim or owned up to your "mistake", and learn from it, you WILL continue to be an EPIC "FAIL"...
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Btw,
Before you start accusing me, I don't claim nor did I claim that "faking" is ok. My argument is in regards to your bad advice.
Until you can show me where I told my friend he needs to "refuse his siblings visiting their parents', you are a "faking" EPIC "FAIL"...
My advice of the parents needing to speak up instead of suffering is still way better than any "faking" advice of yours..
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As expected, nothing just like the made "refusing to let the siblings visit the parents" ignorant claim...all that rambling and tantruming and nothing...Deny all you want but, FACTS beat denial.
As far as your "comment" goes, I already answered it a few posts back but given your reading comp issues, I'm not surprised you missed it too...WHAT AN EPIC "FAIL" you are...Deny all you want but, FACTS still beat denial. Accusing me having of reading comprehension issues does nothing when FACTS have shown that you're ignorant of what it means.
That's just how it is when you make up stuff and can't back it up when challenged...a gain what an EPIC "FAIL"!!! Yep. That's why you couldn't defend it and failed.
Denying FACTS and constantly repeating things doesn't make your argument true.
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Until you can show me where I told my friend he needs to "refuse his siblings visiting their parents', you are a "faking" EPIC "FAIL"...
Deny all you want but, FACTS STILL beat denial. And FACTS STILL beat ignorance. Until you know what reading comprehension means, you will remain being ignorant and fail.
My advice of the parents needing to speak up instead of suffering is still way better than any "faking" advice of yours..An advice to make the parents suffer even more, is a bad advice. And whether I give bad advice or not, that still won't change the FACT that your advice was bad. And spitting out ignorant claims still doesn't change the FACT that your advice was bad. And "pretending" that you cared about your friend's situation, giving him bad advice then come here and talk down about his family to make yours look better is called "faking".
Just letting you know, i don't get mad if you call me a "fake" it means nothing to me because I'm not one. But with what i have experience, when someone is "faking" and you call them out, they do get angry. They get even angrier when FACTS are shown proving that they are "faking". Common sign is calling others of being "fake" with nothing to support it.
A REAL FRIEND DON'T GO ON FOURMS TO TALK CRAP ABOUT THEIR FRIENDS TO MAKE HIMSELF LOOK GOOD.
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Denying FACTS and constantly repeating things doesn't make your argument true.
You did in "FACTS" made an ignorant claim up and can't back it up when challenged...
SO AGAIN, either own up to your mistake and learn from it or show me where I've told my friend to "refuse" his older siblings visiting their parents..
If you can't then you'll continue to be an EPIC FAIL...for "faking" sh!t up..
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Just letting you know, i don't get mad if you call me a "fake" it means nothing to me because I'm not one. But with what i have experience, when someone is "faking" and you call them out, they do get angry. They get even angrier when FACTS are shown proving that they are "faking". Common sign is calling others of being "fake" with nothing to support it.
A REAL FRIEND DON'T GO ON FOURMS TO TALK CRAP ABOUT THEIR FRIENDS TO MAKE HIMSELF LOOK GOOD.
Wrong, you are a "fake"!!!...Why? Because you've made up a claim that didn't exist and now you can't back it up when challenged...S O AGAIN, show me where I've told my friend to "refuse" his siblings visiting their parents...Othe rwise, you'll continue to be an EPIC FAIL.
"nothing to support"...?? You made up a "fake" claim and I challenged you to show and you still can't...PLENTY OF SUPPORT THERE...
AND NOPE, I DON'T "TALK CRAP" ABOUT MY FRIEND BUT FEEL FREE TO SHOW WHERE I TALK "CRAP"...I BET NOTHING LIKE THE OTHER MADE UP "fake" CLAIMS...
What an EPIC FAILURE!!!
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You did in "FACTS" made an ignorant claim up and can't back it up when challenged...
SO AGAIN, either own up to your mistake and learn from it or show me where I've told my friend to "refuse" his older siblings visiting their parents..
If you can't then you'll continue to be an EPIC FAIL...for "faking" sh!t up..
Deny all you want but, FACT still beat denial.
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Wrong, you are a "fake"!!!...Why? Because you've made up a claim that didn't exist and now you can't back it up when challenged...S O AGAIN, show me where I've told my friend to "refuse" his siblings visiting their parents...Othe rwise, you'll continue to be an EPIC FAIL.
"nothing to support"...?? You made up a "fake" claim and I challenged you to show and you still can't...PLENTY OF SUPPORT THERE...
AND NOPE, I DON'T "TALK CRAP" ABOUT MY FRIEND BUT FEEL FREE TO SHOW WHERE I TALK "CRAP"...I BET NOTHING LIKE THE OTHER MADE UP "fake" CLAIMS...
What an EPIC FAILURE!!!
:2funny: Copying the Hmong Notrodomus again. Well, bad news for you, you've lost another bet. The topic is evidence. Of course, you are just going to deny it or or worse, don't even see it. But deny all you want cause FACT beat denial. And FACT beat ignorance.
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Deny all you want but, FACT still beat denial.
As expected nothing to back up the made up ignorant claim accusing me of talking "CRAP" about my friend either...
And yep, "FACT" does beat "denial"..
Here are some facts:
1. You accused me of telling my friend, he needs to "refuse" his older siblings visiting their parents..
2. You accused me of avoiding your "comment" even though I already answered it..
3. Your latest accusation is me talking "CRAP" about my friend..
I challenged you back up those made up claims and all three times, you're an EPIC FAIL..
SO AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!!
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:2funny: Copying the Hmong Notrodomus again. Well, bad news for you, you've lost another bet. The topic is evidence. Of course, you are just going to deny it or or worse, don't even see it. But deny all you want cause FACT beat denial. And FACT beat ignorance.
Yep, "Copying the Hmong Notrodomus" is exactly what you've done...Like you, he has also made up claims and when challenged, he couldn't back it up either... ;D ;D ;D..No wonder you two are so alike. I didn't lose any "bet" as I wasn't the one that made up claims like "refuse", "comment", "CRAP" and when challenged, tuck and run like a loser.
And yep, "FACT" does beat "denial" and ignorance...wh ich is why you still can't back up any of your made up EPIC FAIL claims... ;D
SO AGAIN, UNTIL YOU TAKE OWNERSHIP OF YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR ABLE TO BACK IT UP WITH FACTUAL EVIDENCE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL..
I "bet" NOTHING again, WATCH!!!
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As expected nothing to back up the made up ignorant claim accusing me of talking "CRAP" about my friend either...
And yep, "FACT" does beat "denial"..
Here are some facts:
1. You accused me of telling my friend, he needs to "refuse" his older siblings visiting their parents..
2. You accused me of avoiding your "comment" even though I already answered it..
3. Your latest accusation is me talking "CRAP" about my friend..
I challenged you back up those made up claims and all three times, you're an EPIC FAIL..
SO AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!!
:2funny: :2funny: Looks like i sparked some anger out of you after showing that you are what you hate so much. Since you're just rambling now, it just shows that you clearly failed to defend why your advice wasn't bad. And deny all you want but FACTS still beat denial. And it doesn't matter that you repeatedly keep on denying or calling me epic fail, cause I've already backed up my claims. It's already been shown again and again. It doesn't matter if you accept it or not, the FACTS are shown clearly for everyone to see.
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:2funny: :2funny: Looks like i sparked some anger out of you after showing that you are what you hate so much. Since you're just rambling now, it just shows that you clearly failed to defend why your advice wasn't bad. And deny all you want but FACTS still beat denial. And it doesn't matter that you repeatedly keep on denying or calling me epic fail, cause I've already backed up my claims. It's already been shown again and again. It doesn't matter if you accept it or not, the FACTS are shown clearly for everyone to see.
Told ya, as expected, nothing again from the EPIC FAIL..
Nope, my advice is not bad...unlike you're "faking" ways, I rather see people speak up and tell the truth...if something bothers them.
"I've already backed up my claims"...Funniest sh!t I heard all night... Another fail claim...but if you want to continue your EPIC FAIL ways in front of my eyes and other members' eyes that also don't see you backing any of the made up claims you made after I challenged you to back it up, go for it...It'll just be more entertainment. ..;D ;D ;D
"It's already been shown again and again"...Second funniest sh!t I heard all night... ;D ;D ;D
Where did I tell my friend to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents?
Where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend?
I bet nothing from this EPIC FAIL again, WATCH!!!
And yep the "FACTS" are show for everyone to see and so far you have not been able to back up any of your made up "faking" claims after numerous challenges, FACT!!!
So if you want to make yourself look even more of an EPIC FAIL by tucking and running for "everyone to see", go for it, more entertainment for me... O0
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!!
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Yep, "Copying the Hmong Notrodomus" is exactly what you've done...Like you, he has also made up claims and when challenged, he couldn't back it up either... ;D ;D ;D..No wonder you two are so alike. I didn't lose any "bet" as I wasn't the one that made up claims like "refuse", "comment", "CRAP" and when challenged, tuck and run like a loser.
And yep, "FACT" does beat "denial" and ignorance...wh ich is why you still can't back up any of your made up EPIC FAIL claims... ;D
SO AGAIN, UNTIL YOU TAKE OWNERSHIP OF YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR ABLE TO BACK IT UP WITH FACTUAL EVIDENCE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL..
I "bet" NOTHING again, WATCH!!!
Wow. After failing to defend your bad advice, it's not enough that you talked CRAP about your friend, now you moved on to talking CRAP about hmgROCK, who isn't even part of this. How would your friend feel knowing that he shared something private about him with you, who he thought was a real friend, and you went on a forum talking crap about him and making a comment about yourself being better than him? No need to answer that. Just because you talk down about others and quickly praise yourself to make yourself "look" good, it doesn't mean that you are. That just goes to show who you really are, a FAKE, doing things just JUST FOR SHOW. Next time, instead of being so quick to judge and voice your opinion about that person, you should take a look in the mirror first. And remember that nobody is perfect
BTW, it doesn't help you by continuing to keep rambling on when you already shown everyone your true character.
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Told ya, as expected, nothing again from the EPIC FAIL..
Nope, my advice is not bad...unlike you're "faking" ways, I rather see people speak up and tell the truth...if something bothers them.
"I've already backed up my claims"...Funniest sh!t I heard all night... Another fail claim...but if you want to continue your EPIC FAIL ways in front of my eyes and other members' eyes that also don't see you backing any of the made up claims you made after I challenged you to back it up, go for it...It'll just be more entertainment. ..;D ;D ;D
"It's already been shown again and again"...Second funniest sh!t I heard all night... ;D ;D ;D
Where did I tell my friend to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents?
Where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend?
I bet nothing from this EPIC FAIL again, WATCH!!!
And yep the "FACTS" are show for everyone to see and so far you have not been able to back up any of your made up "faking" claims after numerous challenges, FACT!!!
So if you want to make yourself look even more of an EPIC FAIL by tucking and running for "everyone to see", go for it, more entertainment for me... O0
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!!
It's sad that you failed to realize that you were talking CRAP about your friend.
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Told ya, as expected, nothing again from the EPIC FAIL..
Nope, my advice is not bad...unlike you're "faking" ways, I rather see people speak up and tell the truth...if something bothers them. :2funny:See,the more you rambling you make, the you exposed yourself. Yep, clearly based on your view. :2funny:
"I've already backed up my claims"...Funniest sh!t I heard all night... Another fail claim...Deny all you want but FACTS still beat denial.but if you want to continue your EPIC FAIL ways in front of my eyes and other members' eyes that also don't see you backing any of the made up claims you made after I challenged you to back it up, go for it...It'll just be more entertainment. ..;D ;D ;D :2funny: So you're quick to judge others again? But unlike you, I did back up my claims. Here, I'll show the facts of this new claim.
Show me the "comment" of yours that I've avoided...I bet nothing just like the made up "he's refusing to let his siblings visit their parents" BS claim
Ahh. The defense mechanism of denial and self serving bias. See how you showed yourself here? First denying that you avoided my comment, followed by turning around and blaming me with a made up claim.
"It's already been shown again and again"...Second funniest sh!t I heard all night... ;D ;D ;D
Where did I tell my friend to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents?
Where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend?
I bet nothing from this EPIC FAIL again, WATCH!!!
And yep the "FACTS" are show for everyone to see and so far you have not been able to back up any of your made up "faking" claims after numerous challenges, FACT!!!Yea, yea, same thing old respond again. Repeating the same thing over and over again is what someone does when they are shown the FACTS and can't defend their argument. And just letting you know, it doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, it still won't change the FACT that I've backed up my claims with FACTS.
So if you want to make yourself look even more of an EPIC FAIL by tucking and running for "everyone to see", go for it, more entertainment for me... O0 Staying or going away, it doesn't matter. You've already did that by with your repetitive denial and rambling. It was entertainment for me a while ago.
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!!That's all I have to do? Well, lucky me, I don't have to do anything then. Apparently I was never an epic fail, nor will I continue to be an epic fail. Finally at the end, you stopped your denial and accepted the FACTS that i presented. Hey, you know what they say, "better late than never " :2funny:
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Wow. After failing to defend your bad advice, it's not enough that you talked CRAP about your friend, now you moved on to talking CRAP about hmgROCK, who isn't even part of this. How would your friend feel knowing that he shared something private about him with you, who he thought was a real friend, and you went on a forum talking crap about him and making a comment about yourself being better than him? No need to answer that. Just because you talk down about others and quickly praise yourself to make yourself "look" good, it doesn't mean that you are. That just goes to show who you really are, a FAKE, doing things just JUST FOR SHOW. Next time, instead of being so quick to judge and voice your opinion about that person, you should take a look in the mirror first. And remember that nobody is perfect
BTW, it doesn't help you by continuing to keep rambling on when you already shown everyone your true character.
All that trantruming and still NOTING to back up your made up "fake" claims so here it goes again:
Where did I tell my friend to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents?
Where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend?
I bet NOTHING again from the EPIC FAIL!!!
You're the one that brought up "hmgROCK" first, remember EPIC FAIL??
"How would your friend feel knowing that he shared something private about him with you, who he thought was a real friend, and you went on a forum talking crap about him and making a comment about yourself being better than him?"
All that and NOTHING to show where I talked "CRAP" about my friend...and Yes, he doesn't mind me sharing what he told me on an Internet forum because nothing of him is revealed.
So again, show me where I talked "CRAP" about my friend...or are you going to continue to tuck and run for "everyone to see"?
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!!
And of course, "you already shown everyone your true" EPIC FAIL with your tantruming with NOTHING to back up your made up claims but instead tuck and run so it's up to you..
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It's sad that you failed to realize that you were talking CRAP about your friend.
Look at the EPIC FAIL tucking and running again...funnie st sh!t I've seen tonight..can't even lie right this time.. ;D ;D ;D
Very simple challenge, you claimed that I talk "CRAP" about my friend, now...:
Show me where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend? or are you going to tuck and run for "everyone to see" AGAIN EPIC FAIL??
I bet NOTHING from EPIC FAIL again and more tuck and run, WATCH!!!
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!!
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Ahh. The defense mechanism of denial and self serving bias. See how you showed yourself here? First denying that you avoided my comment, followed by turning around and blaming me with a made up claim.
"It's already been shown again and again"...Second funniest sh!t I heard all night... ;D ;D ;D
Where did I tell my friend to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents?
Where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend?
I bet nothing from this EPIC FAIL again, WATCH!!!
And yep the "FACTS" are show for everyone to see and so far you have not been able to back up any of your made up "faking" claims after numerous challenges, FACT!!!Yea, yea, same thing old respond again. Repeating the same thing over and over again is what someone does when they are shown the FACTS and can't defend their argument. And just letting you know, it doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, it still won't change the FACT that I've backed up my claims with FACTS.
So if you want to make yourself look even more of an EPIC FAIL by tucking and running for "everyone to see", go for it, more entertainment for me... O0 Staying or going away, it doesn't matter. You've already did that by with your repetitive denial and rambling. It was entertainment for me a while ago.
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!!That's all I have to do? Well, lucky me, I don't have to do anything then. Apparently I was never an epic fail, nor will I continue to be an epic fail. Finally at the end, you stopped your denial and accepted the FACTS that i presented. Hey, you know what they say, "better late than never " :2funny:
More tantruming from the EPIC FAIL but still NOTHING to back up his made up claims. More tuck and run instead... ;D ;D ;D
Very simple challenge, you claimed that I told my friend he needs to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents and that I talk "CRAP" about my friend...here it is again ...SHOW ME:
Where did I tell my friend to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents?
Where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend?
I bet more tantrum with NOTHING to back up those EPIC FAIL claims, and more tuck and run AGAIN, WATCH!!!
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!! O0
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All that trantruming and still NOTING to back up your made up "fake" claims so here it goes again:
Where did I tell my friend to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents?
Where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend?
I bet NOTHING again from the EPIC FAIL!!!
You're the one that brought up "hmgROCK" first, remember EPIC FAIL?? Again, the more you fantasize, the more fail you show. Deny all you want but FACTS still beat denial. FACT: you copied hmgROCK, you failed, I showed the FACT how it's funny you are copying someone you hate so much, after realizing that FACT, you talked CRAP about him. And trying to shift the blame to me only show how fake you are. Your new name is theFAking
"How would your friend feel knowing that he shared something private about him with you, who he thought was a real friend, and you went on a forum talking crap about him and making a comment about yourself being better than him?"
All that and NOTHING to show where I talked "CRAP" about my friend...and Yes, he doesn't mind me sharing what he told me on an Internet forum because nothing of him is revealed. Another ignorant assumption by theFAking.
Congratulation s on finally admiittng that you talked CRAP about your friend. O0
So again, show me where I talked "CRAP" about my friend...or are you going to continue to tuck and run for "everyone to see"?
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!!
And of course, "you already shown everyone your true" EPIC FAIL with your tantruming with NOTHING to back up your made up claims but instead tuck and run so it's up to you..
:2funny: Back to faking again? I don't even have to try, you're constantly showing you making a fool of yourself.
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Look at the EPIC FAIL tucking and running again...funnie st sh!t I've seen tonight..can't even lie right this time.. ;D ;D ;D
Very simple challenge, you claimed that I talk "CRAP" about my friend, now...:
Show me where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend? or are you going to tuck and run for "everyone to see" AGAIN EPIC FAIL??
I bet NOTHING from EPIC FAIL again and more tuck and run, WATCH!!!
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!!
Deny all you want but FACTS still beat denial. :2funny:
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More tantruming from the EPIC FAIL but still NOTHING to back up his made up claims. More tuck and run instead... ;D ;D ;D
Very simple challenge, you claimed that I told my friend he needs to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents and that I talk "CRAP" about my friend...here it is again ...SHOW ME:
Where did I tell my friend to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents?
Where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend?
I bet more tantrum with NOTHING to back up those EPIC FAIL claims, and more tuck and run AGAIN, WATCH!!!
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!! O0
Deny all you want but FACTS still beat denial.
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What's so entertaining about this topic is that theFAking is so eager to try and make himself look good and quick to criticize others but can't handle a little criticism about his principles, values and let's not forget, his bad advice. Funny how theFAking talk about disliking be "fake ", but when FACTS are shown, he tucked tail and run by denying, showing how fake he really is. :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Deny all you want but FACTS still beat denial. O0
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:2funny: Back to faking again? I don't even have to try, you're constantly showing you making a fool of yourself.
Still tantruming with NOTHING to back up your made up claims. Even though the challenge is pretty simple, The EPIC FAIL can't even "try" ...why? because he couldn't so all he can do is tuck and run like the "fool" EPIC FAIL that he is...so "everyone can see"... ;D
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!! O0
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Deny all you want but FACTS still beat denial.
That's what you continue to do EPIC FAIL...still NOTHING but more tuck and run...
It's a simple challenge, since you made up the claims and accusation, show us:
Where did I tell my friend to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents?
Where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend?
So "everyone can see"...
I bet NOTHING from the EPIC FAIL again, WATCH!!!
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!! O0
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What's so entertaining about this topic is that theFAking is so eager to try and make himself look good and quick to criticize others but can't handle a little criticism about his principles, values and let's not forget, his bad advice. Funny how theFAking talk about disliking be "fake ", but when FACTS are shown, he tucked tail and run by denying, showing how fake he really is. :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Deny all you want but FACTS still beat denial. O0
What's so "entertaining" about this topic is that the EPIC FAIL is so "eager" to make up claims to make herself look "good" but when challenged she just tuck her tail between her legs and run...
"Funny" how this EPIC FAIL still can't answer a simple challenge so "everyone can see" and so far zero "FACTS" ...just tuck her tail and ran... ;D ;D ;D
SO HERE IT IS AGAIN, the challenge is very simple, show us:
Where did I tell my friend to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents?
Where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend?
I bet NOTHING again, WATCH!!! (Too easy dealing with EPIC FAIL because she just run with zero FACTS to back up her made up claims)
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!! O0
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And given your tuck and run failures time and time again after these simple challenges, show us:
Where did I tell my friend to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents?
Where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend?
I can see why you would think encouraging others to stand up, speak up for themselves, and be truthful when something is bothering them as "bad advice" EPIC FAILURE.
Posting a simple quote of me telling my friend he needs to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents or a simple quote of me talking "CRAP" about my friend will do but so far, you got NOTHING...to back up any of your made up "faking" claims...TOO EASY!!! ;D ;D ;D
SO AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!! O0
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Deny all you want, but FACTS still beat denial. O0
What's so "entertaining" about this topic is that the EPIC FAIL is so "eager" to make up claims to make herself look "good" but when challenged she just tuck her tail between her legs and run...She? Who's she? Ah, you must of been assuming things again. See what happens when you assume things? You get things wrong. Not that big of a deal, but the other part does. Perhaps wanting to make yourself look "good" is the reason why you make claims, but unlike you, I don't make claims because of that reason. I make claims to back up my arguments or to rebut someone's argument.
"Funny" how this EPIC FAIL still can't answer a simple challenge so "everyone can see" and so far zero "FACTS" ...just tuck her tail and ran... ;D ;D ;DDeny all you want, but FACTS still beat denial. O0
SO HERE IT IS AGAIN, the challenge is very simple, show us: Are you sure you really want everyone to see? Even though i've showed it already, sure.
Where did I tell my friend to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents?
Where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend?
First of all, you just buried your whole argument. Second, FACTS beat ignorance. Third, you are the one that don't fully understand what "reading comprehension" means or you're just dismissing what I have presented. Reading comprehension is not just about being able to read the words or know their definition. Being able to understand the meaning of what is written down plays a big part.
You're still missing the point of the parents don't want "fake" visit just so the older siblings can protect their own reputations in the eyes of the community.Failed. And I'll show you why below.
They rather not participate but don't have the heart to speak up based on the complaints they've made to my friend. Failed again. Why? Because action is more important than words. Come up with whatever excuse (words) you want, but it still doesn't change the FACT that they choose to participate (action) in the events.
As expected, nothing to back your made up BS claim of falsely accusing me telling my friend, he should "refused" his older siblings visiting their parents.
Failed again.
re·ject
verb
gerund or present participle: rejecting
/rəˈjekt/
dismiss as inadequate, inappropriate, or not to one's taste.
"union negotiators rejected a 1.5 percent pay increase"
refuse to agree to (a request).
"an application to hold a pop concert at the club was rejected"
synonyms: turn down, refuse, decline, say no to;
Siblings visit parents because event is going on. Rejecting (synonym for refusing) to do event = No event going on, so no siblings visiting. Reading comprehension is needed required here.
Wrong again, not in this case as the issue is clearly stated.. now you're making up more stuff with "based on your view"...Failed again.
True in many cases. I probably will never get my friend's older siblings side but going by the information I received,
Instead of getting all the FACTS from all the people involved, you made an ignorant claim based on your view.
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Show me the "comment" of yours that I've avoided...I bet nothing just like the made up "he's refusing to let his siblings visit their parents" BS claim...talk about "missing the whole point"...
:2funny: :2funny: LMAO After all those fails, you decided to copy the Hmong Notrodomus, resulting in another failure.
Bad news for you, because you just lost the bet. :2funny:
My comment.
Imagine how she feels regardless of whether you guys are doing it because you want to see her or "just for show." Now imagine how she would feel if all of a sudden you refuse to let your siblings fly her out to visit them.
I wanted you to put yourself in that situation and try to understand the situation and see how a parent feels. Instead, you avoided it by replying with this....
Couldn't "Imagine" anything remotely close to doing things for her "just for show" as we all know how much she has sacrificed for us so the very least we can do is return as much of the genuine love back to her as possible. As hard as we try, I don't think we could ever repay her 100 percent.
And also couldn't "imagine" anything remotely close to "refuse to let your siblings...." as we all love her the same and visit her as much as possible so that thought is not even on our mind. She has also express how lucky of a mother she is but we are actually the lucky ones to have her raised and guide us. Very thankful, my siblings and I are not going through the family drama my friend and his family is going through..
You immediately went into defense mode and started defending you and your siblings, going way off my point.
To summarize...
1. Your friend told you his situation.
2. Without having all the FACTS about the situation, you come up with an ignorant conclusion based on your own personal view.
3. Next, you gave your friend bad advice based on you and your view, disregarding the FACT that this situation/problem is between your friend and his family
4. When your advice was criticized for being a bad one, you failed to come up with good sound arguments defending why your advice isn't bad.
5. After failing to defend your bad advice, you refuse to accept responsibility for it.
I bet NOTHING again, WATCH!!! (Too easy dealing with EPIC FAIL because she just run with zero FACTS to back up her made up claims)
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!! O0
Deny all you want, the FACTS are here to show everyone your fail. O0
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All this and you still failed to show that your advice wasn't bad.
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I can see why you would think encouraging others to stand up, speak up for themselves, and be truthful when something is bothering them as "bad advice" EPIC FAILURE.
No evidence to back up your ignorant claim.
That's the result you get when you deny the FACTS that are presented to you, and instead go by what you think.
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Deny all you want, but FACTS still beat denial. O0
Instead of getting all the FACTS from all the people involved, you made an ignorant claim based on your view.
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Show me the "comment" of yours that I've avoided...I bet nothing just like the made up "he's refusing to let his siblings visit their parents" BS claim...talk about "missing the whole point"...
:2funny: :2funny: LMAO After all those fails, you decided to copy the Hmong Notrodomus, resulting in another failure.
Bad news for you, because you just lost the bet. :2funny:
My comment.
I wanted you to put yourself in that situation and try to understand the situation and see how a parent feels. Instead, you avoided it by replying with this....
You immediately went into defense mode and started defending you and your siblings, going way off my point.
To summarize...
1. Your friend told you his situation.
2. Without having all the FACTS about the situation, you come up with an ignorant conclusion based on your own personal view.
3. Next, you gave your friend bad advice based on you and your view, disregarding the FACT that this situation/problem is between your friend and his family
4. When your advice was criticized for being a bad one, you failed to come up with good sound arguments defending why your advice isn't bad.
5. After failing to defend your bad advice, you refuse to accept responsibility for it.
I bet NOTHING again, WATCH!!! (Too easy dealing with EPIC FAIL because she just run with zero FACTS to back up her made up claims)
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!! O0
Deny all you want, the FACTS are here to show everyone your fail. O0
Again, all that tantruming and rambling and still NOTHING to show where I told my friend he needs to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents or where I talk "CRAP" about my friend...what an EPIC FAIL!!
I mean a simple quote showing me saying those things would suffice but the EPIC FAIL ain't got none so she's making herself even more of a "fool" for "everyone to see"... ;D ;D ;D
The challenge is quite simple really, show us:
Where did I tell my friend to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents?
Where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend?
But since the EPIC FAIL made it up, and couldn't back it up, she chose to tuck and run time and time again like that EPIC FAIL that she is...
I bet NOTHING again, WATCH!!! O0
Meh, what do you expect from the EPIC FAIL that thinks encouraging others to be honest, stand up and speak up for themselves when something is bothering as "bad advice"...
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!! O0
Here's a tip: a simple quote showing me saying those things will do because the more you tantrum and ramble with NOTHING, the more of a "fool" you are!!!
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All this and you still failed to show that your advice wasn't bad.
Encouraging others to stand up and speak up for themselves when something is bothering them is NOT "bad" but not surprised to see why an EPIC FAIL that make up stuff and when challenged, can't back it up but instead tuck and run think it's "bad advice"...
Very simple challenge too,...show us:
Where did I tell my friend to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents?
Where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend?
Even though producing a simple quote showing me saying those things will suffice, I bet NOTHING again, just more tantruming with zero "FACTS" because the EPIC FAIL ain't got none... ;D ;D ;D
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!! O0
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No evidence to back up your ignorant claim.
That's the result you get when you deny the FACTS that are presented to you, and instead go by what you think.
What claim? ..I bet NOTHING on that either... ;D ;D ;D
Not surprised seeing the EPIC FAIL making up more stuff for "everyone to see" so she can be more of a "fool"...
Also not surprised that the EPIC FAIL thinks encouraging others to stand up and speak up for themselves when something bothers them is "bad advice"...
Very simple challenge,...show us:
Where did I tell my friend to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents?
Where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend?
Even though a simple quote showing me saying those things will suffice, I bet more tantruming with NOTHING and more tucking and running, WATCH!!!
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!! O0
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I already knew theFAking was going to the FACTS, that's why I said it was for everyone to see. And theFAking, you can deny all you want but FACTS still beat denial. O0
Again, all that tantruming and rambling and still NOTHING to show where I told my friend he needs to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents or where I talk "CRAP" about my friend...what an EPIC FAIL!!
I mean a simple quote showing me saying those things would suffice but the EPIC FAIL ain't got none so she's making herself even more of a "fool" for "everyone to see"... ;D ;D ;D
The challenge is quite simple really, show us:
Where did I tell my friend to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents?
Where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend?
But since the EPIC FAIL made it up, and couldn't back it up, she chose to tuck and run time and time again like that EPIC FAIL that she is...
I bet NOTHING again, WATCH!!! O0
Meh, what do you expect from the EPIC FAIL that thinks encouraging others to be honest, stand up and speak up for themselves when something is bothering as "bad advice"...
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!! O0
Here's a tip: a simple quote showing me saying those things will do because the more you tantrum and ramble with NOTHING, the more of a "fool" you are!!!
I mean a simple quote showing me saying those things would suffice but the EPIC FAIL ain't got none so he's making himself even more of a "fool" for "everyone to see"... ;D ;D ;D
The challenge is quite simple really, show us:
Where did i say, "encouraging others to be honest, stand up and speak up for themselves when something is bothering as "bad advice"
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!! O0
Here's a tip: a simple quote showing me saying those things will do because the more you tantrum and ramble with NOTHING, the more of a "fool" you are!!!
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I already knew theFAking was going to the FACTS, that's why I said it was for everyone to see. And theFAking, you can deny all you want but FACTS still beat denial. O0
I mean a simple quote showing me saying those things would suffice but the EPIC FAIL ain't got none so he's making himself even more of a "fool" for "everyone to see"... ;D ;D ;D
The challenge is quite simple really, show us:
Where did i say, "encouraging others to be honest, stand up and speak up for themselves when something is bothering as "bad advice"
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!! O0
Here's a tip: a simple quote showing me saying those things will do because the more you tantrum and ramble with NOTHING, the more of a "fool" you are!!!
Yep, as expected, more tantruming with NOTHING to back up the EPIC FAIL's made up claims...for "everyone to see"... ;D ;D ;D
A simple quote showing me telling my friend he needs to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents and where I talk "CRAP" about my friend would suffice but the EPIC FAIL's got NOTHING so she tucks and run time and time again..
Yep, same EPIC FAIL that thinks encouraging others to be honest, and stand up and speak up for themselves when something is bothering them is "bad advice"...
Again, the challenge is quite simple, ...show us:
Where did I tell my friend to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents?
Where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend?
I bet more tantruming with NOTHING but tucking and running again from the EPIC FAIL, WATCH!!!
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!! O0
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Keep going guys. Maybe when it’s all said and done, there’ll be enough for a novel.
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Keep going guys. Maybe when it’s all said and done, there’ll be enough for a novel.
Yep, and no problems for me as one of my favorite entertainments is dealing with the ignorant "faking" ones that make up stuff...and when caught red handed, can't take ownership of their wrongs but foam badly instead ;D. I especially enjoy challenging them to back up their ignorant made up claims and watch them tuck and run.. like the EPIC FAIL for example...;D O0
The EPIC FAIL continues to fail time and time again for everyone to see by tucking and running instead of posting the quotes of me saying the things she wrongly accused me of saying...
And the challenge for the EPIC FAIL is quite simple, show us:
Where did I tell my friend to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents?
Where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend?
And not only that but the EPIC FAIL actually thinks encouraging others to be honest, and stand up and speak up against something that's bothering them is "bad advice"... ;D
But when dealing with EPIC FAILs, lots of tantruming with NOTHING and no FACTS with more tucking and running is expected...Pur e entertainment!!! ;D O0
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Yep, as expected, more tantruming with NOTHING to back up the EPIC FAIL's made up claims...for "everyone to see"... ;D ;D ;D
A simple quote showing me telling my friend he needs to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents and where I talk "CRAP" about my friend would suffice but the EPIC FAIL's got NOTHING so she tucks and run time and time again..
Yep, same EPIC FAIL that thinks encouraging others to be honest, and stand up and speak up for themselves when something is bothering them is "bad advice"...
Again, the challenge is quite simple, ...show us:
Where did I tell my friend to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents?
Where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend?
I bet more tantruming with NOTHING but tucking and running again from the EPIC FAIL, WATCH!!!
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!! O0
I mean a simple quote showing me saying those things would suffice but the EPIC FAIL ain't got none so he's making himself even more of a "fool" for "everyone to see"... ;D ;D ;D
The challenge is quite simple really, show us:
Where did i say, "encouraging others to be honest, stand up and speak up for themselves when something is bothering as "bad advice"
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!! O0
Here's a tip: a simple quote showing me saying those things will do because the more you tantrum and ramble with NOTHING, the more of a "fool" you are!!!
And theFAking, you can deny all you want but FACTS still beat denial. O0
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Yep, and no problems for me as one of my favorite entertainments is dealing with the ignorant "faking" ones that make up stuff...and when caught red handed, can't take ownership of their wrongs but foam badly instead ;D. I especially enjoy challenging them to back up their ignorant made up claims and watch them tuck and run.. like the EPIC FAIL for example...;D O0
Now it make sense why you're repeating same over and over. You're dealing with yourself. There's an easy solution to that, just stop being a hypocrite and listen to your own words. O0
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I mean a simple quote showing me saying those things would suffice but the EPIC FAIL ain't got none so he's making himself even more of a "fool" for "everyone to see"... ;D ;D ;D
The challenge is quite simple really, show us:
Where did i say, "encouraging others to be honest, stand up and speak up for themselves when something is bothering as "bad advice"
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!! O0
Here's a tip: a simple quote showing me saying those things will do because the more you tantrum and ramble with NOTHING, the more of a "fool" you are!!!
And theFAking, you can deny all you want but FACTS still beat denial. O0
Yep, as expected, more tantruming with NOTHING to back up the EPIC FAIL's made up claims...for "everyone to see"... ;D ;D ;D
A simple quote showing me telling my friend he needs to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents and where I talk "CRAP" about my friend would suffice but the EPIC FAIL's got NOTHING so she tucks and run time and time again..
Yep, same EPIC FAIL that thinks encouraging others to be honest, and stand up and speak up for themselves when something is bothering them is "bad advice"...
Again, the challenge is quite simple, ...show us:
Where did I tell my friend to "refuse" his older siblings from visiting their parents?
Where did I talk "CRAP" about my friend?
I bet more tantruming with NOTHING but tucking and running again from the EPIC FAIL, WATCH!!!
AND AGAIN, UNTIL YOU OWN UP TO YOUR WRONGS AND LEARN FROM IT OR BACK UP THOSE MADE UP IGNORANT CLAIMS YOU MADE, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE AN EPIC FAIL!!! O0
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Now it make sense why you're repeating same over and over. You're dealing with yourself. There's an easy solution to that, just stop being a hypocrite and listen to your own words. O0
"Now it makes sense why you're repeating" the "same" EPIC FAILURE "over and over". You're still the EPIC FAIL. "There's an easy solution to that", just answer the simple challenge instead of tucking and running like the "hypocrite" that you are EPIC FAIL!!! O0
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Keep going guys. Maybe when it’s all said and done, there’ll be enough for a novel.
LOL...do you like listening to a broken record? i read 2-3 pages of the same bs. you be the judge, one presenting common sense and facts, while the other is just talking out of his a$$...who should concede?
where's the fishing hot spot? promise, i won't tell hmgrock! ha!
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I know right, especially those that proudly support lies and fakes and have no problems returning fake love to their own parents...They'll continue to repeat their lies like a "broken record" without any FACTS to back it up when challenged and some how they still claim it "new"... ;D ;D ;D
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I'm the youngest and still live with my parents. Mom retired but pop still working and still strong as an ox. I work and all our cars and house are paid for. Mom is healthy and babysit her grandkids full time. My parents saved enough but I pay for whatever they ask. I won't move out since it makes no financial sense to me. I'll live comfortably and work to stack up my chips. When my parents pass out, everything in their names will be mine. It will be my duty to make sure that parents will live out their golden years worry free. My siblings will help out as well. My parents and I did the same for grandma who lived to the glorious age of 102. Grandma was one healthy queen who fought to the end. I miss her.
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Good for you. If they took care of you when you needed them then it's only fair to return the love when they need you..and of course the right thing to do IMO.. O0