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Title: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on May 14, 2010, 01:46:51 PM
for the curious minds, here are some funeral songs. a few towards the end or early morning,  request and i will post accordingly.

---sorry for the original broken links. i've decided to upload to Dropbox for a permanent home. if you don't have dropbox and want to sign up click here http://db.tt/iEyhIuCP (http://db.tt/iEyhIuCP)

my shared link to listen and download the mp3s is here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xff0g0e6zji05ii/gW2U3hejyq (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xff0g0e6zji05ii/gW2U3hejyq)

if you want more, PM me. cultural art for the curious minds, sharing is caring---


enjoy,

slude

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Xyom Cuab Ua Tsaug 01 (this is the lengthy original verse for thanking, the words are the same, just insert the name/role  _____ of the person you're thanking and repeat.)

01 Txiv Xaiv Pib Rooj Hais Xim (verse when preparing the rooj xim)

19 Nkauj Muam Nraug Nus Sib Ncaim (live and death; brother & sister relationship)

22 Xyom Yuab Taij Txiaj Ntsig (this is the most important song, a MUST learn for all sons)

23 Muaj Foom Kom Ntawm Txiv (asking for blessing/fortune from dad)

24 Qhua Ntuas (lecture)

25 Foom Kom (modern verse on success)

26 Faj Tim Huab Tais (txiv xaiv best choice of words, crowning of a king)

27 Saib Looj Mem (the last song before sunrise, final farewell)

Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: yamaha on May 14, 2010, 02:47:20 PM
slude could you write it out for me...

i can't listen while at home...

so yeah..
 thanks in advance..
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on May 14, 2010, 03:03:08 PM
yamaha, i'm writing some but haven't got to the ones i've posted.

it's okay to listen at home. these are songs for the 'living' only. get a headphone/earpiece and you're ok.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: sarlboro on May 14, 2010, 06:03:54 PM
i am interesting very much, but old saying that once you master it will be giving you bad luck..
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: yamaha on May 14, 2010, 07:43:22 PM
nqe Qhuas ntuas...this is what i mean when some people don't listen..Xyom xyom ib hmo kaj ntug tagki zuav ceg tag..khaws tsis tau ib los zoo mus ua neej..li
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: ladi-charm on May 16, 2010, 09:18:39 PM
Why cant you post these without the funeral?
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: TUBHMOOBVAJ on May 18, 2010, 10:36:09 AM
yamaha, i'm writing some but haven't got to the ones i've posted.

it's okay to listen at home. these are songs for the 'living' only. get a headphone/earpiece and you're ok.

You can listen with a headset...you just can't be jamming it super loud on your home theater set! These are all Hmong white txiv xaiv, here you can find some of the Hmong leej txiv xaiv:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGvoCpEag3g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmcTzpf8_EE&feature=related
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on May 20, 2010, 03:19:36 PM
19: Nkauj Muam Nraug Nus Sib Ncaim<<==== very  :'( :'(
http://www.upload-mp3.com/files/191354_pexae/19%20Nkauj%20Muam%20Nraug%20Nus%20Sib%20Ncaim.mp3
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: ladi-charm on May 25, 2010, 06:09:06 PM
Slude who is that person singing this??


Do you have the full recording???
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on May 26, 2010, 02:52:16 PM
Slude who is that person singing this??


Do you have the full recording???

the person is "Lis, Riam" from fresno. yes i have the full.

Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on May 26, 2010, 02:57:38 PM
in case you guys don't frequent the faith forum or don't understand hmong language, here are my translations to simple english.

enjoy!

19: Nkauj Muam Nraug Nus Sib Ncaim

seems like a sunny day has passed, great aunt
seems like many years ago
seems like brother lived a good life, the two of you were siblings who loved each other very much
shared the same blood, shared the umbiblical cord , shares the same meals along with the same plate & spoon, oh great aunt

seems like you, daughter, born by accident to wear a skirt and went on to blossom like mushrooms along trees and barks
you went and live a life along the edges of a garden, oh great aunt.

seems like the two of you made a promise, thru ‘zaj tshoob’ –hmong wedding songs, during your wedding.
your brother told you, ‘go well. when the sky turns dark and the land ends…”
if brother live a life, to its end and not to its fullest
remember him and keep in contact and his whereabouts

seems like the two of you made a promise, thru ‘zaj tshoob’ –hmong wedding songs, during your wedding.
the promise was, after you wed, remember that ‘if’ one day
when brother has live a life, to its end but not to its fullest, to his 120 years
you, must remember to come back and know of his fate, oh great aunt, great aunt.

seems like when brother was still alive, seem like he was the glass water that runs over the hot coils, 9 days or 10 nights, you have a place to visit and make runs to.

seems like today, brother has left all weights and is standing tall near the border of his fields.
brother is going, he’s going to leave you behind, alone, oh great aunt.
seems like, brother is going away, like a bridge, rolled over the other side
now it’s going to cut all ties,  ending your runs and visits to him

do not be mad or be angry. bridges may have been broken but the roads are still wide.
broken bridges are the reasons why we (txiv coj xai) are here to fix. land slides we will fenced.
his sons and daughters, we will leave in your care and you must love them so they too will have a place to run and visit, oh great aunt, great aunt.

seems like we are here to fix bridges to be solid, fix roads to be straight and wide.
left behind are your brother’s sons and daughters-in law, daughters and sons-in-law
among them you will find comfort and a home to visit, oh great aunt, great aunt.

the leaves have fallen but remain are the branches.
your brother has passed but remain are his sons and daughters, his daughters and his sons
the leaves have fallen but remain are the branches.
your brother has passed but remain are his sons and daughters, his daughters and his sons
oh great aunt, great aunt.

seems like today the owner has passed and is leaving his farm animals behind.
animals are going to run wild all over the pent.
seems like your brother passed away. leaving his sons and daughter in laws, daughters and son-in laws
they will cry and curl all over their beds and pillows
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on May 26, 2010, 02:58:32 PM
28:Xa Qauv Sawv Kev

Seems like sunrise is here. The elders, descendants and everyone.
Seems like this entire time, we made offers to yours ancestors, finished the ceremony.
our blessings are your father’s blessings.  Our words are your father’s words.
Seems like this entire time, the oldest sons we gave hats. The youngest sons we gave shoes.
We’ve taught the oldest to be generals, we’ve taught the youngest to be leaders.
Seem like we packed wisdom on your backs, blessings in your arms.

Seems like sunrise is here, sunrise will bring shadows, morning will bring light
The sun is rising, it’s time to prepare for your father’s departure. It’s time for your father to leave
It’s your father’s time to go his way, your father will leave his house

Sunrise is to bring clouds, rain is to bring bitter. Now your father is leaving, he’s going to break his family ties
Sunrise is to bring bitter, rain is to bring clouds. Time for your father to leave his household
Flower blossom but flower is bitter, tree fruitful but fruits are bitter
Time for your father to go, now your father will have to divide his crops

Seems like your father’s spirit rather stay with you, he miss you so much but time calls for him to go
Your father misses his sons, adores his daughters. He wants to stay, but time calls for his spirit to go
He is cutting his earthly ties, with the clothes on his back, time to leave his family behind
Families, sons and daughter-in-laws, your father is going far beyond the sky, he is going to climb over 9 mountains and down 10 valleys
Do you miss your father or do you not?
If you miss him, grab a white cloth and go wash the sweats off his face.

Seems like now your father is standing at the gate, your father misses you much and doesn’t want to leave.
Your father turns his face to see you, turns his head to tell you

This is what he said
Seems like every normal night and day, your father’s objective is incomplete
You brought relatives, young and old to accompany your father
Today you father has nothing left for you to see, nothing left for you to view
Your father’s objective is complete, his funeral is over
Therefore, take the relatives, young and old back to their houses
Seems like the heaven is high and wide, the earth is deep and long,  awaiting for your father to reside

Seems like when you return to your home. Your house will be a mess, unsettled and unbearable stay
Back at home, your house will be like a jungle unable to sustain
You will remember  the time when you father is living well with you
Seems like you would go to work, venture for a day, when you arrived home
Your father is home, cleaning cooking your left over food.
Seems like your front and back yards are purged of rats and birds
Your father watched your son, looked after your daughter with warmth and comfort

Seems like today, your father has left.
After a day of work, your house will be a mess
There will be no one to heat your left over foods
Seems like your front and back yards will be full of rats and birds
Seems like today, your father has left.
When you returned home from work, there will be no one to watch your son, no one to look after your daughter
You will realize  how much you miss your father.

Seems like you look at a distance, there is someone who appears to be your father
Walks and talks like your father, you move towards him. 3 steps, 4 steps closer and grab to his arm
He’s not your father, he’s just your uncle. He only loves you because he feels sorry for you.
He loves you a little, not unlike your father who gave birth to you.

Seems like you see a figure, old like him. Walks and talks like your father.
You move closer, 1 step 2 steps near him, grab him by his hands.
You look but he’s not your father. He’s your uncle or relative.
You wonder whether to call him father. He loves you but not to his heart. He only loves you because he feels sorry for you
He loves a little unlike your father who loves you with all his heart

Seems like when you return to your home. Your house will be a mess, unsettled and unbearable stay
You realized that financially you’re drained. Spent all your money, sacrificed all your animals
Seems like you view your house as empty, messy unable to live
You realized you spent everything, sacrificed all your animals for your father
You draw up a piece of squared paper to help track your father’s path.
But you can’t follow his footsteps,
sons and daughter-in-laws. Gather up a squared piece of paper with stripes to follow your father
But you can’t track his footsteps, you can’t follow his whereabouts
Daughters and son-in-laws

Seems like your father went away. One of his spirit will rest near the grave, there is one which will climb to the gates of heaven
Remember after the 3rd months, the 3rd full moon, there are 30 days to a month
Remember to fetch your father’s spirit, remember to release his spirit near the grave, is the only way to set him free
Your father has one spirit, sleeping in the ground. There is one more, ascending to the owner’s gates of heaven
Seems like after the 3rd months, the 3rd full moon, one month is 30 days
Remember to fetch your father’s spirit, free him from the grave

Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: Delete on May 27, 2010, 07:58:41 AM
Wow! you must have nothing to do all day to listen and translate these thing.  :'(
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: bamb00bug on May 27, 2010, 12:45:44 PM
Wow! you must have nothing to do all day to listen and translate these thing.  :'(

It's important that we have someone like him do this so other people who aren't too educated on things like this will understand. It's not what you're interested in so you may think it's bogus, but to someone who would like to learn (like me), it's very important.

Thanks again slude!
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: ladi-charm on June 01, 2010, 11:31:39 PM
Slude,

This is the husband of this nickname. I'm willing to pay you for every clear copies you have of all the xivxaiv, beginning to end. 

I prefer them to be in order since I have no clue what the sequence is, but I love to listen to it.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on June 02, 2010, 01:02:19 PM
Slude,

This is the husband of this nickname. I'm willing to pay you for every clear copies you have of all the xivxaiv, beginning to end. 

I prefer them to be in order since I have no clue what the sequence is, but I love to listen to it.

you mean the book or recording? i have the book but i am not the author so i can't sell copies to you. i can refer you to the author.

but

i have all of his voice recording txiv xaiv from a funeral (begining to end) which i attended and recorded. these ARE mine and i can share them with you. i've begun to write a few down, in no order but it's a long process.

where do you live? i'm from wis.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: shesaid on July 20, 2010, 07:12:47 PM
wow slude...thanks for translating. I tried really hard this past weekend to listen to the txiv xaim at my gma's funeral b/c she loved listening hmo lawv hais xim and would always tell us to go and listen.  I sorta understood the one tus txiv xaiv hais rau cov ntxhais and was able to pick up a few phrases here and there. I wish I was able to understand it completely.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: yamaha on July 26, 2010, 05:42:59 PM
wow slude...thanks for translating. I tried really hard this past weekend to listen to the txiv xaim at my gma's funeral b/c she loved listening hmo lawv hais xim and would always tell us to go and listen.  I sorta understood the one tus txiv xaiv hais rau cov ntxhais and was able to pick up a few phrases here and there. I wish I was able to understand it completely.
well hais hais ib hmo los there's only a couple ones that are important..jus t repeats over a lot with a couple changed words.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: sprite on August 26, 2010, 08:01:56 PM
slude,

Can you share your perspective about the Xa Plig/Qhuab Ke? I've read a Hmong Funeral Rite handbook and my view is that this is simply an opening prose to the event. It is very common in cultures that practice oral transmission to use an orator whose main job is to move the event along with spoken prose. Much in the same way as Shakespeare used a narrator (muse, orator, etc.) to commence the play by having the person give an overview of what has happened, what is to be expected, and the overall situation. To sum it up, orient the audience.

I find the Xa Plig chant completely beautiful and poetic. There are many Hmong Christian groups who want to eliminate this but I feel that parts of it can be tailored to fit a Christian funeral. I don't feel that it violates Christian beliefs at all because the chant isn't summoning spirits or performing any spiritual ritual. The overall chant is actually talking about creation, why and how death became part of the human experience, and how the human spirit will return to its maker. The Xa Plig is an oral chant accompanying the deceased but really performed to entertain and orient the living about the event.   
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: A_New_Beginning on August 30, 2010, 07:12:22 PM
I want to get a hold of every recording and written manual you have...I'm willing to pay for the recording writing and shipping...I already PM you.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: lifegoeson on August 30, 2010, 09:00:51 PM
Thanks for sharing.. My dad is a "txiv xaiv" and its very moving to listen to him.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: sprite on August 31, 2010, 02:18:03 PM
Thanks for sharing.. My dad is a "txiv xaiv" and its very moving to listen to him.

Would you consider your father's talent as an orator the poetic expression of Hmong funeral songs? Some people are alleging that the txiv xaiv carries power or has the ability to open gateways to the spirit world like a txiv neeb, and that songs like the xa plig is literally sending the spirit to the spirit world. What is your knowledge of this?
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on August 31, 2010, 10:59:11 PM
sprite,

txiv coj xai has no special power other than an acting orator. unlike a shaman, a txiv xaiv is a learnt thing and not a spiritual cause. xa plig/qhuab ke i've heard hmong church catholic believers sang the songs and many others txiv xaiv songs, which none has to do/against the christian God. i agree that it can be tailored to fit the christian god. as a matter of fact there is a christian txiv xaiv book. try google it.

the line drawn between hmong religion and christian belief is the 'death song'.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: hmongbro on September 02, 2010, 12:29:53 PM
**sticky please**

for those that are interested, i will be uploading funeral songs and providing links to listen. i have over 16hrs of recording, from beginning to end. here are a few towards the end or early morning, if there are more request i will post them accordingly, A-Z.


enjoy.



22:Xyom Cuab Taij Txiaj Ntsig
http://www.upload-mp3.com/files/191355_7ftkz/22%20Xyom%20Yuab%20Taij%20Txiaj%20Ntsig.mp3

23:Muab Foom Kom Ntawm Txiv
http://www.upload-mp3.com/files/191356_yamfn/23%20Muaj%20Foom%20Kom%20Ntawm%20Txiv.mp3

24:Qhuab Ntuas
http://www.upload-mp3.com/files/191359_7mi8h/24%20Qhua%20Ntuas.mp3

25:Foom Kom
http://www.upload-mp3.com/files/191365_cyekk/25%20Foom%20Kom.mp3

26:Faj Tim Huab Tais
http://www.upload-mp3.com/files/191384_qpgyu/26%20Faj%20Tim%20Huab%20Tais.mp3

27:Saib Looj Mem
http://www.upload-mp3.com/files/191383_dui5f/27%20Saib%20Looj%20Mem.mp3

28:Xa Qauv Sawv Kev
http://www.upload-mp3.com/files/191382_xsyda/28%20Xa%20Qauv%20Sawv%20Kev.mp3


Hey bro, looks like your links are broken. Could you please re-upload them? Thanks a bunch man.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: hmongbro on October 05, 2010, 04:29:34 PM
Would you consider your father's talent as an orator the poetic expression of Hmong funeral songs? Some people are alleging that the txiv xaiv carries power or has the ability to open gateways to the spirit world like a txiv neeb, and that songs like the xa plig is literally sending the spirit to the spirit world. What is your knowledge of this?

I've started learning txiv xaiv for almost a year now. At the end of the whole ceremony there is the hiding of the sword and bow which makes me think the sword and bow is the key. Thus, my understand and impression from the songs are that tus tub coj xaiv does have the "ability" to follow the dead or spirit. It seems like anyone with the "right" can follow so long as they take the sword and bow. I also hear similar from the hiding the sword and bow from the funeral qheeb and nkauj tuag. As mentioned by someone else the tub coj xaiv doesn't have any "extra" spirits, hence spiritual powers like the shaman. It seems however like they use their own self spirits when they are following or calling the spirits or dead (yearly new year ceremony). So my conclusion is that anyone can learn the songs and can follow the deceased at a funeral. BTW, I'm no expert just my opinions. So if I'm wrong, oh well I'm still learning.  ;D
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: hmongbro on October 05, 2010, 04:36:15 PM
BTW slude, good translation bro. I'm learning from a student of Lis Riam and using his orange book.  O0
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: lala on October 27, 2010, 11:29:38 AM
Slude,

Please add more translation.  I'm very interested.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on October 27, 2010, 12:56:20 PM
sorry guys, i've been too busy with work lately and no time to update the links. i will try to fix it when i get home.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: Hil on October 27, 2010, 01:12:23 PM
Thank you for posting up translations for Xa Qauv Sawv Kev.  It is very poetic and brought me to tears.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on October 28, 2010, 10:38:22 PM
OK. links should work. i've added a few.

enjoy.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on October 29, 2010, 12:46:40 AM
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Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on October 29, 2010, 12:47:43 AM
enjoy...
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: Melony on October 29, 2010, 01:28:47 AM
I should listen to some of these, but sort of scared.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on October 29, 2010, 09:48:01 AM
I should listen to some of these, but sort of scared.

scared? the txiv coj xai is talking/lecturing YOU the living and not the dead. there is nothing to be afraid of. you will only be a better person, love your parentsand. then comes the most scariest part, 'what happens when it's their turn to go?' what will you do?
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on November 01, 2010, 11:54:32 PM
i'm re-listening again. every once a while, txiv xaiv is my reality when i'm too involved in my daily life and i forget to return home to mom's cooking and dad's lecturing.

word of advice, hug your mom and shake your dad's hand. when was the last time your remember the touch of your dad's hands or your mom's?
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on November 02, 2010, 12:07:19 AM
someone wants to help translate the rest... :-[ i know there are many great hmong-american english scholars out there.

translate the foom kom, which is the richest among all.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: yuknowthat on November 02, 2010, 12:09:03 AM
i need the hmong dawv version..i have a hard time to understand the hmoob leeg version...
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on November 02, 2010, 12:10:44 AM
sorry i didn't post the hmoob lees version. mines are listed at the top in hmoob dawb.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on November 02, 2010, 12:14:08 AM
 O0
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: yuknowthat on November 02, 2010, 12:20:38 AM
sorry i didn't post the hmoob lees version. mines are listed at the top in hmoob dawb.
the guys sounds familiar to me..heard him before at a funeral somewhere in sacramento before..
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: yuknowthat on November 02, 2010, 12:26:40 AM
**sticky please**

for those interested, i will be uploading funeral songs and providing links to listen. i have over 16hrs of recording, from beginning to end. here are a few towards the end or early morning,  request and i will post them accordingly.


enjoy.

**LATEST UPLOADS**

Xyom Cuab Ua Tsaug (this is the lengthy original verse for thanking, the words are the same, just fill in the name _____ of the person you're thanking and repeat.)
http://www.upload-mp3.com/files/239001_nyhv6/Xyom%20Cuab%20Ua%20Tsaug%2002.mp3

22:Xyom Cuab Taij Txiaj Ntsig (this is the most important song, as sons we MUST learn)
http://www.upload-mp3.com/files/238997_6jg6m/22%20Xyom%20Yuab%20Taij%20Txiaj%20Ntsig.mp3

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23:Muab Foom Kom Ntawm Txiv
http://www.upload-mp3.com/files/238991_1xhp2/23%20Muaj%20Foom%20Kom%20Ntawm%20Txiv.mp3

24:Qhuab Ntuas
http://www.upload-mp3.com/files/238992_suoec/24%20Qhua%20Ntuas.mp3
(lectures on how much our parents love us and how to live a good life)

25:Foom Kom
http://www.upload-mp3.com/files/238993_20qwi/25%20Foom%20Kom.mp3
(modern song on how to succeed and how people will view us)

26:Faj Tim Huab Tais
http://www.upload-mp3.com/files/238994_arfqa/26%20Faj%20Tim%20Huab%20Tais.mp3


27:Saib Looj Mem
http://www.upload-mp3.com/files/238995_r1tym/27%20Saib%20Looj%20Mem.mp3

28:Xa Qauv Sawv Kev
http://www.upload-mp3.com/files/238996_6mnmb/28%20Xa%20Qauv%20Sawv%20Kev.mp3
(the last song before burial, how much our father loved us and his spirit will never leave us. the meaning in a parent-child relationship
kuv nyiam your "xyom cuab ua tsaug" way..hais lub paj huam
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on November 02, 2010, 12:38:49 AM
it's rare to find such ua tsaug. thanks and hope you enjoy the rest.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: yuknowthat on November 02, 2010, 12:40:43 AM
this is the ua tsuag that my father taught me a couple years ago but i can't seem to learn because i was young and didn't care much..the one you record..i just remember it listening to it a couple of times.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: Someone on November 02, 2010, 01:48:51 PM


  Thank you Slude, you made my day by posting these.  Just trying to learn these is hard at a funeral because I lack the understanding of it.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: chuexiong on November 05, 2010, 06:27:56 AM
Thanks
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on November 10, 2010, 10:28:40 PM
 
  Thank you Slude, you made my day by posting these.  Just trying to learn these is hard at a funeral because I lack the understanding of it.

someone & chuexiong- no need to thank. these are the 'gospels' of the hmong culture. they are free to anyone with the desire to learn about our culture. the words do not preach or promise of salvation or to follow a godly being but to only worship the ground that our parents walk on.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: A_New_Beginning on December 01, 2010, 09:59:29 PM
only if more people actually pay attention these songs, like those church goer who goes to church every sunday.....may be life will be better...

The true output is when you actually practice it.  When you do, and others dont it's very very hard. Trust me.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on December 08, 2010, 10:00:14 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: lae on February 12, 2011, 04:06:46 PM
Slude, I think the links are broken again. 
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: aayvee on February 16, 2011, 06:56:19 PM
i'm re-listening again. every once a while, txiv xaiv is my reality when i'm too involved in my daily life and i forget to return home to mom's cooking and dad's lecturing.

word of advice, hug your mom and shake your dad's hand. when was the last time your remember the touch of your dad's hands or your mom's?

my dad passed april of last year, it'll be a year soon. how much i miss him, only he would know. i'd give 10-20 years of my life for him if i can see him one more time. if there's ever a next life time, i only ask to be your daughter again. you'll forever be in my heart. RIP

btw, it's beautiful of you to share these with us.  :)
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: aayvee on February 16, 2011, 06:57:33 PM
reup the links please, thank you.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: Language on February 16, 2011, 07:55:42 PM
thank you very much for sharing!!  O0
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: YAX on February 25, 2011, 05:59:06 PM
can't listen to any of them.  seems to have been deleted.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: TUBHMOOBVAJ on March 17, 2011, 02:51:13 PM
You can listen by visiting my youtube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/user/teebvaaj

Subscribe to get the latest.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: sprite on March 26, 2011, 03:28:58 AM
R u working from a purple-colored handbook of Hmong funeral rites? I have that and the Hmong Catholic. The chants r all very lengthy.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on April 13, 2011, 02:45:06 PM
links are working. let me know if not working for you.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: thehotone on April 28, 2011, 09:21:27 AM
 O0 Thank you! Sometimes it hard to catch on exactly word from word what they are saying during the funeral bc everyone else is so loud.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: yuknowthat on May 02, 2011, 07:51:46 PM
O0 Thank you! Sometimes it hard to catch on exactly word from word what they are saying during the funeral bc everyone else is so loud.
it don't have to be the exact words..
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: Peaches on September 26, 2011, 03:58:19 PM
Xyom Cuab Ua Tsaug 01.mp3 (http://www.upload-mp3.com/files/283738_tl45p/Xyom%20Cuab%20Ua%20Tsaug%2001.mp3)

Slude,
 
Do you have this in written format?
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on October 12, 2011, 10:43:02 PM
Xyom Cuab Ua Tsaug 01.mp3 (http://www.upload-mp3.com/files/283738_tl45p/Xyom%20Cuab%20Ua%20Tsaug%2001.mp3)

Slude,
 
Do you have this in written format?

sorry i don't. this is one of the formal ua tsaug verse, i think youknowthat may have written this in another thread.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: thehotone on October 24, 2011, 03:15:55 PM
I just out this past weekend that hais xi is not required if someone passes away and does not have a tub and nyab? What if his tub and nyab are divorce but no offsprings? Can they still hais xi?
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on January 27, 2012, 11:02:32 AM
I just out this past weekend that hais xi is not required if someone passes away and does not have a tub and nyab? What if his tub and nyab are divorce but no offsprings? Can they still hais xi?

no offspring, no hais xi. even with 10 kids, it's up to the family.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: A_New_Beginning on January 31, 2012, 09:03:00 PM
There has to have a rooj Xim aka rooj plaub rooj lus.  But all can be taken care of by the Kavxwm.  Xivxaiv is not required.

When my father passed away, we dont even have Xivxaiv, per his final wish. During his last few weeks, probably he knew he's going to go, he said, "Kuv tej lus nyiaj lus kub, tej koob tej hmoo ces twb muaj tab rau cov uas hlub kuv, nrog kuv nyob. Kev ua nom ua tswv ces leejtwg hlub kuv ces tau zoo, kev ua neej kuv twb qhia tag rau nej. Yog tias kuv tus mob tsis tso kuv tseg, es kuv tau mus lawm tsis thas hais tej lus uas tsis yog kuv lus."

Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on January 31, 2012, 09:27:24 PM

lots of truth in your dad's final wish. txivxais in one ear and out the other, there is no point in learning when alive you don't even show your appreciation/love.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: yaweh on February 01, 2012, 03:52:06 PM
an advice for all:

it has been only 30 years since the migration from laos to america.  but the differences of the "old" txiv xaiv and the "new" ones in america is SO BIG!  in fact, many of the txiv xaiv "changed" their verses or kws songs...to the point of not making any more sense.

yaweh
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: A_New_Beginning on February 01, 2012, 08:22:50 PM
Since we dont have Txivxaiv. Txwjlaug, Muamphauj and a couple former Tojxeem, and former GVP's Commanders, Majors and Lieutenants, and the leaders of the various Hmong organizations in the States blessed us with their words of wisdom and pays their respect to my father. I think this is way better than listening to Xivxaiv.  I got collections of Xivxaiv from numerous Txiv Xaiv, that I listen to whenever I have leisure time.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: yuknowthat on February 02, 2012, 12:24:23 PM
There has to have a rooj Xim aka rooj plaub rooj lus.  But all can be taken care of by the Kavxwm.  Xivxaiv is not required.

When my father passed away, we dont even have Xivxaiv, per his final wish. During his last few weeks, probably he knew he's going to go, he said, "Kuv tej lus nyiaj lus kub, tej koob tej hmoo ces twb muaj tab rau cov uas hlub kuv, nrog kuv nyob. Kev ua nom ua tswv ces leejtwg hlub kuv ces tau zoo, kev ua neej kuv twb qhia tag rau nej. Yog tias kuv tus mob tsis tso kuv tseg, es kuv tau mus lawm tsis thas hais tej lus uas tsis yog kuv lus."


true...tau khoob tau hmoov ces yog thaum ciaj tsis yog thaum tuag..
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: zaubmos on March 05, 2012, 01:43:57 AM
My husband is a student n tau mus hais ob peb zaug lawm its very sad

Kuv tsis understand but he'll tell me what they r saying and as we listen more i start to understand more

Yus yuav xyaum ces xyaum thaum hluas laus lawm mam xyaum nws nyuaj heev..yus tau cov lus xwb tsis tau lus suab nws tsis zoo thiab ...hais tsis zoo mloog..tus cov lus thiab lub suab lawm hais mas zoo mloog tshaj

I do encourage peb cov tub hluas to learn this ..yus xyaum tau thiab yus understand lawm yus mam paub hais tias txog kev hais txiv xaiv nws muaj nqis npaum cas and how meaningful the words r ..cov lus no tsuas tog lus paj lub kub lus zoo rau yus khaws coj mus ua neej xwb very  O0
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on March 06, 2012, 11:11:49 PM
zaubmos,

first, sorry i haven't update this post for awhile. secondly, great that your husband is learning. we need more young-middle age people to learn. it's hard cause we're losing our language. thirdly, if you pay attention to the lyrics, the words are basic hmong tongue.

the links are no longer working but i will upload them to a permanent site for easy access. and i have more translations to add.

thanks to all for viewing/learning.

enjoy,

slude
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: zaubmos on March 06, 2012, 11:22:31 PM
Koj upload cov txiv xaiv li no es koj tus xib hwb tsis hais li cas lov? Kuv husband nws tus xib hwb tsis pub laiv
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on March 07, 2012, 12:06:00 AM
tsis ua li cas, cause it's public knowledge and txiv xaiv is for the living not the dead. different reason for different xib hwb and i was taught to share knowledge not hide from others. i can't share or speak of the death verses but i can share 'educational' and 'inspirational' according to my own interpretation . txivi xaiv adapts to educate, not to compare.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: zaubmos on March 07, 2012, 12:15:50 AM
tsis ua li cas, cause it's public knowledge and txiv xaiv is for the living not the dead. different reason for different xib hwb and i was taught to share knowledge not hide from others. i can't share or speak of the death verses but i can share 'educational' and 'inspirational' according to my own interpretation . txivi xaiv adapts to educate, not to compare.


Ahhhh!! Gotcha :)
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: yuknowthat on March 07, 2012, 01:55:21 PM
Koj upload cov txiv xaiv li no es koj tus xib hwb tsis hais li cas lov? Kuv husband nws tus xib hwb tsis pub laiv
tsis zoo hais tom vaj tom tsev xwb..thiab yog lus ntuas ua neej, i think your hubby tus xibfwb hais li ntawv because "if you want to hear you must pay first"..i think?
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: zaubmos on March 07, 2012, 02:03:39 PM
tsis zoo hais tom vaj tom tsev xwb..thiab yog lus ntuas ua neej, i think your hubby tus xibfwb hais li ntawv because "if you want to hear you must pay first"..i think?


Es yog mloog nev?? Mloog puas ua cas no?

Yea tau pay mas
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: Futurist on July 04, 2012, 10:21:38 PM
I'm interested in downloading the songs but the links are dead. If anyone have new links I'd gladly appreciate it!  :)
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: kong011 on March 20, 2013, 09:16:09 PM
They are dead bro, would u mind reposting them up again??
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: luckyvang on March 26, 2013, 03:34:53 PM
Some people have msged me to upload some txiv xaiv.  Here is a simple one for you guys.

It's called 12 haiv.  It's part of the qhib phaj.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TJzPoI8-Ks# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TJzPoI8-Ks#)
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on April 09, 2013, 09:48:23 PM
apologize to all for not updating this thread.

thanks for peeking in this thread, your curiousity about hmong will carry the future of hmong.

i will be back...to update.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: slude on April 17, 2013, 09:39:13 PM
sorry for the broken links. check my original post on page one for updates



Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: SleeplessBeauty on April 24, 2014, 01:22:40 PM
My father just recently passed away and the only thing I understood during the funeral were the Txiv Xaiv songs though it didn't sound as nice or sad as I last remembered when I attended a grandma's funeral many years ago.

Anyways, thanks for the songs.
Title: Re: Txiv Xaiv: funeral songs
Post by: A_New_Beginning on May 12, 2014, 01:40:59 PM
It's too sad...