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Life & Living => Work Avenue => Topic started by: thePoster on April 23, 2016, 05:51:10 PM
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I remember way back in the day when I was just stocking shelves at a grocery store for like... 7 dollars an hour or something like that...
I guess that was a lot of money back then to a kid back then.
In any case... I remember being offered 10 bucks an hour to go work in the produce dept. Where I was growing up/living in, 10 bucks an hour is not bad, it's actually pretty good. You find any job that paid around 10 bucks an hour and you're living large, especially if you're still young. But I declined it becuase I knew I wouldn't be at work all the time and would miss work etc etc so I just told the guy no.
Anyways... on to my story! I was stocking shelves on 3rd shift and it was break time. So we all gather round the break area and this guy who was a friend of one of the stock clerk had come to visit him and talk to him. He was telling him about how he's going to college now and about to graduate and already got a job lined up as an electrical engineer with a starting pay of 17.50. The way he was saying it made it seemed like it was such a huge pay per hour. Honestly, at that time and area, it really was a nice big pay per hour. I remember thinking wow, that's alot of money.
It's weird now that the minimun wage is going to be 15 bucks an hour, for working a job like washing the dishes at KFC or taking orders at Mcdonalds, their pay is going to be comparable to that of college degree-ed folks 15-20 years ago.
I remember listening to a truck driver talking proudly of how his son is going to be making 40 thousand a year after he's put him to college.
I took this girl to her work place, she had asked me if I could take her, she had just gotten hired on to a new job(she was pretty good looking by the way, I guess I felt she was "too old" for me, she was only like mid 20's). She was a classmate and we were all in the same physics and calc classes... It was weird, a couple of the 'older' students in there were talking about how after they got done with their calc classes they'll be able to get hired on here and there. I just found it perplexing how a class could do that but anyways! The girl was telling me she was getting a job paying her 11 bucks an hour. She was proud and excited too, and I was happy for her too.
Like I said, that area and time I was growing up, 11 bucks an hour is alot of money.
Also, this older gentleman in my calc class, he was talking about how when he got done with his calc class, when he goes to get a job, he's taking no less than 10 bucks an hour.
I worked for many companies, one company, I worked as a temp worker. I got paid like 11 bucks an hour or something... anyways, the permanent workers got paid like 14-15 bucks an hour and some even 17 bucks an hour if they had a 4 year degree or something since they were in charge of "more complex" parts of the company. Anyways, I remember one of the guy had just bought a new EVO. This was way back then, and I was thinking "wow, that's what 17 bucks an hour can afford!"
My point with all these reference's is... it's sorta strange in a way how I see the wage, per hour kind of like being devalued. 11, 12,15,17,17.50 bucks an hour back in the day was like, you'd have to go to school and put some time in to get a pay like that, and a pay like that is really good pay, it's a pay everyone strived for and hoped for, kind of like a dream everyone can attain but you had to put some work in first.
Now it seems like everyone wants that 15 bucks an hour handed to them reguardless of they put the work in or not and not only that, like that 15 bucks an hour is not just equivalent to a fast food job, where-as just 20 years ago it was equivalent to working a job that required a degree.
How strange huh?
There's really no debate here, just something to think and ponder about.
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I remember way back in the day when I was just stocking shelves at a grocery store for like... 7 dollars an hour or something like that...
I guess that was a lot of money back then to a kid back then.
In any case... I remember being offered 10 bucks an hour to go work in the produce dept. Where I was growing up/living in, 10 bucks an hour is not bad, it's actually pretty good. You find any job that paid around 10 bucks an hour and you're living large, especially if you're still young. But I declined it becuase I knew I wouldn't be at work all the time and would miss work etc etc so I just told the guy no.
Anyways... on to my story! I was stocking shelves on 3rd shift and it was break time. So we all gather round the break area and this guy who was a friend of one of the stock clerk had come to visit him and talk to him. He was telling him about how he's going to college now and about to graduate and already got a job lined up as an electrical engineer with a starting pay of 17.50. The way he was saying it made it seemed like it was such a huge pay per hour. Honestly, at that time and area, it really was a nice big pay per hour. I remember thinking wow, that's alot of money.
It's weird now that the minimun wage is going to be 15 bucks an hour, for working a job like washing the dishes at KFC or taking orders at Mcdonalds, their pay is going to be comparable to that of college degree-ed folks 15-20 years ago.
I remember listening to a truck driver talking proudly of how his son is going to be making 40 thousand a year after he's put him to college.
I took this girl to her work place, she had asked me if I could take her, she had just gotten hired on to a new job(she was pretty good looking by the way, I guess I felt she was "too old" for me, she was only like mid 20's). She was a classmate and we were all in the same physics and calc classes... It was weird, a couple of the 'older' students in there were talking about how after they got done with their calc classes they'll be able to get hired on here and there. I just found it perplexing how a class could do that but anyways! The girl was telling me she was getting a job paying her 11 bucks an hour. She was proud and excited too, and I was happy for her too.
Like I said, that area and time I was growing up, 11 bucks an hour is alot of money.
Also, this older gentleman in my calc class, he was talking about how when he got done with his calc class, when he goes to get a job, he's taking no less than 10 bucks an hour.
I worked for many companies, one company, I worked as a temp worker. I got paid like 11 bucks an hour or something... anyways, the permanent workers got paid like 14-15 bucks an hour and some even 17 bucks an hour if they had a 4 year degree or something since they were in charge of "more complex" parts of the company. Anyways, I remember one of the guy had just bought a new EVO. This was way back then, and I was thinking "wow, that's what 17 bucks an hour can afford!"
My point with all these reference's is... it's sorta strange in a way how I see the wage, per hour kind of like being devalued. 11, 12,15,17,17.50 bucks an hour back in the day was like, you'd have to go to school and put some time in to get a pay like that, and a pay like that is really good pay, it's a pay everyone strived for and hoped for, kind of like a dream everyone can attain but you had to put some work in first.
Now it seems like everyone wants that 15 bucks an hour handed to them reguardless of they put the work in or not and not only that, like that 15 bucks an hour is not just equivalent to a fast food job, where-as just 20 years ago it was equivalent to working a job that required a degree.
How strange huh?
There's really no debate here, just something to think and ponder about.
$15/hr is not going to work for all. Imagine if you live in NY, or CA... what does $15/hr get you? Nothing much... beside, these minimum wage jobs are for teenagers not for a person to make a living on it. I wonder if you bump these burger flipper to $15/hr, what about those that actually work in manufacturing that are only getting $10-$12/hr. Are we to increase their pay by the same margin as well?
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I am going to quit my job n go on unemployment for the next 5 years and when i am ready to wk, i get 15 bucks an hour regardless.
There goes my incentive to work harder in the next 5 years. In 5 years and if it is 15 bucks an hour, as a fast food manager, they will fill their staff with all mba holder first. Imagine a fast food joint where all the workers there have a high degree.
The law is the law and they will comply but the law does not make a hiring manager downgrade their hiring process and give away that 15 bucks an hour that easily. Who will get fawk in the end? The non degree holder.
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I made $4.10 when I was 16 at Dunkin' Donuts. I thought that was a lot because my mom made $3 doing assembly work and my dad made $6 and he worked for the city.
My dad is retired now but he was making more than $15 by the time he retired. If my mom worked now and made $15 an hour. That would be so good for her.
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I am going to quit my job n go on unemployment for the next 5 years and when i am ready to wk, i get 15 bucks an hour regardless.
There goes my incentive to work harder in the next 5 years. In 5 years and if it is 15 bucks an hour, as a fast food manager, they will fill their staff with all mba holder first. Imagine a fast food joint where all the workers there have a high degree.
The law is the law and they will comply but the law does not make a hiring manager downgrade their hiring process and give away that 15 bucks an hour that easily. Who will get fawk in the end? The non degree holder.
You really shouldn't think like that. Find something you enjoy doing and make it into a job and the money will come or go into medical. You'll definitely make more than $15. Even back in the days (mid-90's) the office manager at the clinic I worked at made $17 per hour.
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Some people actually don't want to make $15/hr because that will bump them up to where they won't qualify to get food stamps or aid from the county anymore. For me, $15 for kids on summer job is good, but for anything else, it's still not enough to live on if you have a family. Many of us make more than 3x that amount and we still live paycheck to paycheck, taking out CC debts here and there as well.
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$15/hr is not going to work for all. Imagine if you live in NY, or CA... what does $15/hr get you? Nothing much... beside, these minimum wage jobs are for teenagers not for a person to make a living on it. I wonder if you bump these burger flipper to $15/hr, what about those that actually work in manufacturing that are only getting $10-$12/hr. Are we to increase their pay by the same margin as well?
$15 is tough but when there is 2 income in the household but cost of living just depend where they are. It like me telling my sister in the Bay Area to get a job here vs. staying there when you get more out of your money because the pay is not much difference. People think that just because you're in the Bay Area you get top $$ but no unless you have a corporate job then you would suffered with the cost of living.
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I never worked since I got married for almost 20 yrs. My 1st part time job while in college was just $6.50 probably the min wage at that time. It wasn't enough for anything beside gas and personal spending while still getting financial aid.
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There is a min wages but there is no max numbers u can work in a day unless you are in the transportation industry where dept of trans limited your driving or flying hours per day. Still not against the law to wk as many jobs as you are able to within a 24hrs period. 15 bux times 2 equals $30 an hour total wages per day. You will be ok. Both u n your partners do this and it'll be $60 an hour. You no specialist but you can be one if you can hop from fast food to fast food. It is the fast food workers dream in 5 years considering if all else is constant like the standard of living with no increase. With a proven working track record with a high total monthly income and good credit, Ronald McDonald's now can afford his own first home.
Mlk jr dream is going to come true for many kaydoo folks.
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Fuel to the Fire....
Since people keep talking about how much money they (or their parents) made when they were younger, consider this: Minimum wage in 1990 was $3.80. Factor in inflation and buying power, that is about $7 in 2016. Minimum wage in 2016, $7.25.
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Fuel to the Fire....
Since people keep talking about how much money they (or their parents) made when they were younger, consider this: Minimum wage in 1990 was $3.80. Factor in inflation and buying power, that is about $7 in 2016. Minimum wage in 2016, $7.25.
My dad stop working 2 weeks ago. He was getting the min. wage of $7/8 in CA. He worked 12 hrs shift 6 days a week. Those 4 additional hour are not OT paid at all just regular. He get paid each week. The only thing is that the job does not have benefits. Just minor tax to state, federal, medicare, etc. probably not even more than $100 each check so still bringing home $400 each week average. He has to keep working to age 65 to retired and get medicare which is the most important thing he need. My dad worked for this company for 21-23 yrs. The min. wage has not change at all.
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Fuel to the Fire....
Since people keep talking about how much money they (or their parents) made when they were younger, consider this: Minimum wage in 1990 was $3.80. Factor in inflation and buying power, that is about $7 in 2016. Minimum wage in 2016, $7.25.
yep... these $15/hr is going to put a lot of people out of work... that's all it's going to do. The Union knew it was a bad idea when they fought for it. Now, they're forcing CA law makers to make exception for Union members to not get paid $15/hr. How's that for your hard earned union dues. They want to shortchanged their members so they can keep their members in check... more cash in their pockets.
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Wow such sad stories! Yet all our parents was able to make it even with 4-6 kids!
Able to afford a house and two vehicles....
Hmmmmmmmm.... Go figure!
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If machines replace people then the engineering field will be booming! O0 We are not far from this ideal image.
The state of MN is getting a cost of living raise in July, but guest what, it means taxes are going up!
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If machines replace people then the engineering field will be booming! O0 We are not far from this ideal image.
The state of MN is getting a cost of living raise in July, but guest what, it means taxes are going up!
Pretty much like chromebook in school is already taken place so probably no need for school to be open M-F anymore. I hate how school is nowadays. My kids tell me they have no hw when I tell them it is hw time. I don't care how good their progress report card look because I am not seeing some real learning. Look like teacher are becoming lazy preparing assignment/schoolwork with the chromebook.
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My sil says district matters a lot. Some districts have a higher standard for education verse others.
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Fuel to the Fire 2....
It takes about $180 today to have the same buying power as $100 in 1990.
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Inflation! A rise to more $$$ means face value decreases. America's deficit is like age, it only goes up and never down.
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Is 52 bucks an hour alot?
Sometimes the way I read some of the posts in here it almost sounds like a lot of the folks in here are making mad money...
I know even minimum wage if it was 15 bucks an hour seems alot to me. But dang it sounds puny to how it seems the folks in here make.
Even 30 bucks an hour I would still feel embarrassed disclosing in here.
It's almost like if my yearly income wasn't 80k+ is be embarrassed talking about it.
And even then, it would only feel barely respectable.
But anyways, I was talking to a friend today and asking me about how and what I was going to do in my field etc etc..
And he said I need and should get a couple other more stuff becuase he was saying that he knew a guy who went the same route as me and got a couple more stuff and was starting offer was 52 bucks an hour!
52 bucks an hour is over 100k a year..wow..
But my thing is, I keep looking up these jobs in the internet and it doesn't say the yearly salary is anywhere near 50 bucks an hour.. More like 25-30 bucks an hour...
Oh wells...I'll guess I'll see when I get out there.
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Pretty much like chromebook in school is already taken place so probably no need for school to be open M-F anymore. I hate how school is nowadays. My kids tell me they have no hw when I tell them it is hw time. I don't care how good their progress report card look because I am not seeing some real learning. Look like teacher are becoming lazy preparing assignment/schoolwork with the chromebook.
That is so cheating. My kids have a ton of homework. My 3rd grader is doing fractions and divisions right now and is required to do at least 10 minutes of it a day (on the computer) + 20 minutes of reading a day, and this is on top of regular take home math homework, spelling homework, and comprehension homework. My middle school daughter is always bombarded with homework and projects (projects are at least once every other week and homework is daily), it's unbelievable. If I wasn't a SAHM, the kids would be so lost.
*I'm kidding about the cheating part* :)
It makes you wonder what kinds of kids we are sending out into the world, doesn't it? Not sure which is the better way. It almost seems like this is all a "test" of some kind.
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Is 52 bucks an hour alot?
Sometimes the way I read some of the posts in here it almost sounds like a lot of the folks in here are making mad money...
I know even minimum wage if it was 15 bucks an hour seems alot to me. But dang it sounds puny to how it seems the folks in here make.
Even 30 bucks an hour I would still feel embarrassed disclosing in here.
It's almost like if my yearly income wasn't 80k+ is be embarrassed talking about it.
And even then, it would only feel barely respectable.
But anyways, I was talking to a friend today and asking me about how and what I was going to do in my field etc etc..
And he said I need and should get a couple other more stuff becuase he was saying that he knew a guy who went the same route as me and got a couple more stuff and was starting offer was 52 bucks an hour!
52 bucks an hour is over 100k a year..wow..
But my thing is, I keep looking up these jobs in the internet and it doesn't say the yearly salary is anywhere near 50 bucks an hour.. More like 25-30 bucks an hour...
Oh wells...I'll guess I'll see when I get out there.
I make $115,000/Year, which breaks down to about $55 and some change an hour.... That doesn't include what my wife makes, and she brings in another $80K not including income from rental and investments.
Believe me, it's not "rich" in the sense many people might think... where we're living in a huge 4,000 sq ft house on the lake and driving matching BMW M6s...
We live in an older subdivision with great neighbors, drive honda's and Toyota's... The places we hit up the most when we eat out is Quang's in minneapolis, Mcdonald's and Noodles for the kids, and we shop at target and cub more than anywhere else.
Do wages need to increase in America, I think they do. I was working for $15 an hour 10 years ago when i was just a temp out of college. I can't even imagine raising my family struggling like that paycheck to paycheck.
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That is so cheating. My kids have a ton of homework. My 3rd grader is doing fractions and divisions right now and is required to do at least 10 minutes of it a day (on the computer) + 20 minutes of reading a day, and this is on top of regular take home math homework, spelling homework, and comprehension homework. My middle school daughter is always bombarded with homework and projects (projects are at least once every other week and homework is daily), it's unbelievable. If I wasn't a SAHM, the kids would be so lost.
*I'm kidding about the cheating part* :)
It makes you wonder what kinds of kids we are sending out into the world, doesn't it? Not sure which is the better way. It almost seems like this is all a "test" of some kind.
This new school make me wished i could have kept my kids at their old school. They learned so much better. Im a parent who question teacher a lot but all i get is that they are still adjusting and hopefully it will be better next year because curriculum will change a little. My husband is telling me to signed our son in K for summer school. I told him I need a break and maybe I could just work with him at home as the other kids will be gone for the summer. I could get him into a reading program.
Some parent may think different then me. I still expect my kids to do hw at least 20-30 min so I can see what they are learning. Get an idea of what is being taught during each subject up to date. Read 20-30 min before bedtime. At least with my oldest I can see how hard she work, focus, etc. and schooling was more real in that short time that chromebook has replaced textbook when she enter HS. With the younger kids i believed it will become more of a problem with the existence of chromebook when it replaced assignment and hw in classwork because they are not allowed to bring it home. I dont know what is their chromebook.
With my oldest she text me during classroom when she need something or to talk not related to school. I guess that what happen when your chromebook replaced textbook. Student today is using less school supplies. You dont have a textbook for each class. You dont have a 3 ring binder/notebook for each class. Every assignment and test is done in their chromebook. You no longer see them bring their test home so see how they did or missed/scored, etc. They dont print out every assignment out because i already kniw it will cost more $$ for printer paper and ink.
Lets just see how it will be with chromebook in the longer run since it has been for 2-4 yrs.
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These are all good points made across many complex issues. Even though the simplified argument may be to raise the minimum wage, it's just the tip of the iceberg. The largest underlying issue is the rate of inflation. Wages have not risen at the same rate as the cost of living. Our parents had less choices available to them. And made due. Yet their purchasing power at that time allowed them to make it work. If employees today were paid wages similar to our parents, and tried to live as they did, we'd be on welfare. Under a bridge somewhere.
The perception is that it's a BLM thing. An illegal immigrant thing. A minimum wage worker thing. It's not. The core of the true argument is to realign the rate increase of wages to match that of the cost of living. But the problem is we've allowed so many X amount of years to pass that the gap is so huge, that it can't happen without someone taking the deficit. It's Business 101. To increase net profit, someone has to carry the burden. Passing the buck.
The national argument seems to want to focus on just fastfood workers. Why? Because they represent a large faction and they're at the bottom rung of any corporate ladder. The effects of a minimum wage increase would affect them first and most.
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I make $115,000/Year, which breaks down to about $55 and some change an hour.... That doesn't include what my wife makes, and she brings in another $80K not including income from rental and investments.
Believe me, it's not "rich" in the sense many people might think... where we're living in a huge 4,000 sq ft house on the lake and driving matching BMW M6s...
We live in an older subdivision with great neighbors, drive honda's and Toyota's... The places we hit up the most when we eat out is Quang's in minneapolis, Mcdonald's and Noodles for the kids, and we shop at target and cub more than anywhere else.
Do wages need to increase in America, I think they do. I was working for $15 an hour 10 years ago when i was just a temp out of college. I can't even imagine raising my family struggling like that paycheck to paycheck.
If min wage raises to $15, I think it would be nice if the middle class got a small boost too. :)
With my oldest she text me during classroom when she need something or to talk not related to school. I guess that what happen when your chromebook replaced textbook. Student today is using less school supplies. You dont have a textbook for each class. You dont have a 3 ring binder/notebook for each class. Every assignment and test is done in their chromebook. You no longer see them bring their test home so see how they did or missed/scored, etc. They dont print out every assignment out because i already kniw it will cost more $$ for printer paper and ink.
Lets just see how it will be with chromebook in the longer run since it has been for 2-4 yrs.
LOL...my daughter texts me too from school to bring her stuff or just about things unrelated to school. In school, my kids do use Chrome books but they don't bring them home and they are not on them all day at school. I personally don't mind them because the world is really all about technology so it's good that these kids learn to use them.These are all good points made across many complex issues. Even though the simplified argument may be to raise the minimum wage, it's just the tip of the iceberg. The largest underlying issue is the rate of inflation. Wages have not risen at the same rate as the cost of living. Our parents had less choices available to them. And made due. Yet their purchasing power at that time allowed them to make it work. If employees today were paid wages similar to our parents, and tried to live as they did, we'd be on welfare. Under a bridge somewhere.
The perception is that it's a BLM thing. An illegal immigrant thing. A minimum wage worker thing. It's not. The core of the true argument is to realign the rate increase of wages to to match that of the cost of living. But the problem is we've allowed so many X amount of years to pass that the gap is so huge, that it can't happen without someone taking the deficit. It's Business 101. To increase net profit, someone has to carry the burden. Passing the buck.
The national argument seems to want to focus on just fastfood workers. Why? Because they represent a large faction and they're at the bottom rung of any corporate ladder. The effects of a minimum wage increase would affect them first and most.
Would this help them do their jobs better? More professionally? Will it help them realize that $15 isn't very much or will they settle for it? I know that the reason minimum wage is set so low is so that people don't settle in those lowly jobs. It should motivate them to work harder and move up and out.
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My thing is.... I always reflect on my parents wages back in the day...
Yeah yeah adjust for inflation yaddie yaddie but... A brand new Toyota truck was still like 20k+.. Etc etc..
And for both parents way back in the day to only bring in 250-300 a week each.... And still afford for a bunch if kids, two vehicles and be able to be a homeowner, I just don't get how others cant make it. They were paying for electricity, phone bills, gas bills, all those other family related bills ..
And they made it on less than 10 dollars an hour.. Some instances, less than 8 and 7....
Yea I agree the pay should increase but.... Hey alot of folks were making it with so much less back in the day..and even today... So I don't understand it...
Yeah yeah where you live have something to do with it too but still...
Not too long ago... I guess maybe 10 years ago... I was working at a plant, they pay wasn't 15 bucks an hour...
But I was talking to a couple...we were all talking about how this place was one of the better place to work becuase the pay was good... They was telling me how they got a house with 40 acres and they both got a car each...and how they carved out a little something good for them self...they actually lived in a different state and commute down to work and stay with relatives during the week...
Anyways I remember thinking wow... They got all of that with a combined income if under 50k a year..after taxes are said and done...
Even now, they pay there hasn't changed much.
In a side note I started working there and was thinking I'd be able to get the new civic si's, unfortunately when it came time to hire in the temps like me, they couldn't account for my missing work history and I was let go...cheezez!
I could've been driving the new si's! Oh wells!
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But... I don't really know all about that 15 bucks for fast food workers...
Me and a friend's was talking the other day...
If they are going to do that...it should be like....
They should have to apply for that wage...and the application should have it based on certain criterias.. .
I mean, all the teengers are going to apply for a job there and it isn't to feed thier family, it's to buy that car, for spring break, that prom night, summer vacation, etc etc etc....
So in the end, raising the min wage, will it even work?
I then can see it as a sort of discrimination if teenagers arent eligable to apply...
I guess the difference in wage increase should be government subsidized... Instead of food stamps and ebt, they can apply and get that higher wage that's actually subsidized by the government, that way you can have a happy equilibrium with the teens.
But then, wells! We're going to have to raise taxes...
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My thing is.... I always reflect on my parents wages back in the day...
Yeah yeah adjust for inflation yaddie yaddie but... A brand new Toyota truck was still like 20k+.. Etc etc..
And for both parents way back in the day to only bring in 250-300 a week each.... And still afford for a bunch if kids, two vehicles and be able to be a homeowner, I just don't get how others cant make it. They were paying for electricity, phone bills, gas bills, all those other family related bills ..
And they made it on less than 10 dollars an hour.. Some instances, less than 8 and 7....
Yea I agree the pay should increase but.... Hey alot of folks were making it with so much less back in the day..and even today... So I don't understand it...
Yeah yeah where you live have something to do with it too but still...
Not too long ago... I guess maybe 10 years ago... I was working at a plant, they pay wasn't 15 bucks an hour...
But I was talking to a couple...we were all talking about how this place was one of the better place to work becuase the pay was good... They was telling me how they got a house with 40 acres and they both got a car each...and how they carved out a little something good for them self...they actually lived in a different state and commute down to work and stay with relatives during the week...
Anyways I remember thinking wow... They got all of that with a combined income if under 50k a year..after taxes are said and done...
Even now, they pay there hasn't changed much.
In a side note I started working there and was thinking I'd be able to get the new civic si's, unfortunately when it came time to hire in the temps like me, they couldn't account for my missing work history and I was let go...cheezez!
I could've been driving the new si's! Oh wells!
When by parents bought the house we grew up in, they bought it for 63K back in the day, 25 years ago in a smaller city. Housing was so much more affordable back then in terms of pricing. My parents recently sold to move into their next home since they have an empty house but are just turning the 60 corner and are able bodied (both are retired but are still active in church, farming, etc...).
By the time us kids were 15 or 16, we all had part time jobs working at grocery stories, restaurants, at the mall, etc... and I think that helped a ton for my folks.
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When by parents bought the house we grew up in, they bought it for 63K back in the day, 25 years ago in a smaller city. Housing was so much more affordable back then in terms of pricing. My parents recently sold to move into their next home since they have an empty house but are just turning the 60 corner and are able bodied (both are retired but are still active in church, farming, etc...).
By the time us kids were 15 or 16, we all had part time jobs working at grocery stories, restaurants, at the mall, etc... and I think that helped a ton for my folks.
Hmong parent/family that arrived late 70's or early 80's and start working in company or social services. Many of them are able to become homeowner with their $3-4 min wage starting wage and saving a little to achieved the American dream. That job today is probably $11-15. They are in a good situation because they still have a job and their home was cheaper back then that they can still continued to be doing okay living within their means. Very few are able to paid off a 15 year mortgage vs today is 30 yr.
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But... I don't really know all about that 15 bucks for fast food workers...
Me and a friend's was talking the other day...
If they are going to do that...it should be like....
They should have to apply for that wage...and the application should have it based on certain criterias.. .
I mean, all the teengers are going to apply for a job there and it isn't to feed thier family, it's to buy that car, for spring break, that prom night, summer vacation, etc etc etc....
So in the end, raising the min wage, will it even work?
I then can see it as a sort of discrimination if teenagers arent eligable to apply...
I guess the difference in wage increase should be government subsidized... Instead of food stamps and ebt, they can apply and get that higher wage that's actually subsidized by the government, that way you can have a happy equilibrium with the teens.
But then, wells! We're going to have to raise taxes...
$15 min wage at fast food is too much. They might as well just hired and make it full time. I don't know where 16 yo or high school looking for part time job will be looking....... .....
Any change in wage is going to have people make demanding change in ssi/disability, fs, wic, etc. They are going to have to adjust and increase the income eligibility.
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I think it's a good thing to increase to $15 and have teenagers work the wage because they are probably the number one consumer out there and will definitely boost the economy. It would definitely take a load off me if my daughter made that much when she starts working. She can then save for college and spend on all the clothes she wants.
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I think it's a good thing to increase to $15 and have teenagers work the wage because they are probably the number one consumer out there and will definitely boost the economy. It would definitely take a load off me if my daughter made that much when she starts working. She can then save for college and spend on all the clothes she wants.
I think a rise in wages is needed at the very bottom, but I wouldn't say it needs to rise to $15 now for low skill jobs. I think that would hurt the job market and economy more than actually help it.
As far as college goes, aren't you helping your daughter through college and are you and your spouse making plans/saving to help them? Or are they on their own and pulling out huge amounts of student loans that are unforgivable?
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The one misperception that we have to think carefully about is who is getting paid minimally and for what job are they being compensated for;
1. Food Prep
2. Dishwashers
3. Cashiers
4. Hosts and Hostesses
5. Amusement Park Attendant
6. Ushers
7. Personal Home Care Aid
8. Farm Workers
9. Airport Workers
10. Casino Workers
11. Lifeguards
My point being this affects more than just Debbie at your local McDonalds. Don't be led by the who you see marching in the streets. The minimum wage should increase. But by how much is still debatable.
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I think a rise in wages is needed at the very bottom, but I wouldn't say it needs to rise to $15 now for low skill jobs. I think that would hurt the job market and economy more than actually help it.
As far as college goes, aren't you helping your daughter through college and are you and your spouse making plans/saving to help them? Or are they on their own and pulling out huge amounts of student loans that are unforgivable?
Well, I kind of mentioned earlier that if the bottom jobs are raised to $15 then everything else should raise a little too for the middle class workers. No one can live on $8.75 an hour in this day and age. I realize that there will be adults who will likely live off the minimum wage for the rest of their lives. Not everyone has the mind capacity for academics or to create their own business or to even pickup a completely new skill. If the min wage is not changed/increased to a reasonable level, our society will definitely have a shift and a rift in wealth and status.
As for the kids, we will do what husband's parent's did for them, which is pay for their undergraduate. If they choose to go further, they would have to find ways to pay for it and we'd help a little too (there is no way we can afford to pay for Harvard Med school...that's where daughter wants to do her residency and fellowship...I know, she dreams big). Now if they can get full scholarships for undergrad, we'd help a little more with graduate. Initially, I wasn't going to have the kids work while in school but I think it's a good way to get work experience and have them grow tough skin which I feel is essential for their future.
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The one misperception that we have to think carefully about is who is getting paid minimally and for what job are they being compensated for;
1. Food Prep
2. Dishwashers
3. Cashiers
4. Hosts and Hostesses
5. Amusement Park Attendant
6. Ushers
7. Personal Home Care Aid
8. Farm Workers
9. Airport Workers
10. Casino Workers
11. Lifeguards
My point being this affects more than just Debbie at your local McDonalds. Don't be led by the who you see marching in the streets. The minimum wage should increase. But by how much is still debatable.
Around $15 sounds good. A lot of those jobs are part-time and as we move forward, I get the feeling a lot more jobs will become part-time relieving companies of having to pay for health insurance.
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Fuel to the Fire 3....
You need to be making about $90,000 today to have the same buying power as $50,000 as in 1990.
Fuel to the Fire 4...
In 1990, a 4 year college would cost about $5,000. Today, it is about $24,000. The rate of increase in tuition is much faster than the rate of inflation. If tuition followed the buying power of other products on the market, it should cost about $9,000 today.
Fuel to the Fire 5...
Today, the average starting college grad's salary is about $40,000. In 1990, the average college grad's salary was about $40,000. A grad has to make over $70,000 today to have the same buying power his/her counterpart had in 1990. Only a handful of degrees break that $70,000, and those jobs tend to be in the sciences, specifically engineering.
That being said, I should be fair and say that many degrees do indeed break $70,000 once the person is in mid-career. However, at the bottom of the list are grads with degrees in social work and psychology, which is starting $37,000 or less.
Fuel to the Fire 6
In 2016, there is a push for minimum wage to go to $15/hr. In 2016, the average college grad's hourly pay is about $18.
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Fuel to the Fire 3....
You need to be making about $90,000 today to have the same buying power as $50,000 as in 1990.
Fuel to the Fire 4...
In 1990, a 4 year college would cost about $5,000. Today, it is about $24,000. The rate of increase in tuition is much faster than the rate of inflation. If tuition followed the buying power of other products on the market, it should cost about $9,000 today.
Fuel to the Fire 5...
Today, the average starting college grad's salary is about $40,000. In 1990, the average college grad's salary was about $40,000. A grad has to make over $70,000 today to have the same buying power his/her counterpart had in 1990. Only a handful of degrees break that $70,000, and those jobs tend to be in the sciences, specifically engineering.
That being said, I should be fair and say that many degrees do indeed break $70,000 once the person is in mid-career. However, at the bottom of the list are grads with degrees in social work and psychology, which is starting $37,000 or less.
Fuel to the Fire 6
In 2016, there is a push for minimum wage to go to $15/hr. In 2016, the average college grad's hourly pay is about $18.
Exactly my point. If the min wage gets raised, higher rages should also get a raise. Of course if you raise all the wages, you have to raise the price of goods and services too. So, we're just going in circles.
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Fuel to the Fire 3....
You need to be making about $90,000 today to have the same buying power as $50,000 as in 1990.
Fuel to the Fire 4...
In 1990, a 4 year college would cost about $5,000. Today, it is about $24,000. The rate of increase in tuition is much faster than the rate of inflation. If tuition followed the buying power of other products on the market, it should cost about $9,000 today.
Fuel to the Fire 5...
Today, the average starting college grad's salary is about $40,000. In 1990, the average college grad's salary was about $40,000. A grad has to make over $70,000 today to have the same buying power his/her counterpart had in 1990. Only a handful of degrees break that $70,000, and those jobs tend to be in the sciences, specifically engineering.
That being said, I should be fair and say that many degrees do indeed break $70,000 once the person is in mid-career. However, at the bottom of the list are grads with degrees in social work and psychology, which is starting $37,000 or less.
Fuel to the Fire 6
In 2016, there is a push for minimum wage to go to $15/hr. In 2016, the average college grad's hourly pay is about $18.
Great points. We can't just raise the minimum wage and expect to make things run smoother.
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Great points. We can't just raise the minimum wage and expect to make things run smoother.
Kinda what I've said all along... you can't make minimum wage @ $15/hr for the whole state or country. Let the market work itself out and let each city decide for themselves.
More and more fast food are turning to automation already and it's not even $15/hr yet. More low skill workers are going to be out of work than those that will benefit for the wage raise. Stay turn for more going to welfare...
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Fuel to the Fire 7...
Raising the minimum wage from $7.25 is currently a controversial topic. However, 29 states already mandate a minimum wage that is already above $7.25.
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Kinda what I've said all along... you can't make minimum wage @ $15/hr for the whole state or country. Let the market work itself out and let each city decide for themselves.
More and more fast food are turning to automation already and it's not even $15/hr yet. More low skill workers are going to be out of work than those that will benefit for the wage raise. Stay turn for more going to welfare...
Fast food are not going to want many part time employees or high school kids just get 3-4 full time employees for each 12 hrs shift. With today technology the app is enough to order and have your order ready by the time you get there. I haven't tried any of the app for order but sooner or later might have to join everyone too.
Welfare is going to have to set their income eligibility along with every other gov/public assistance program. It has been doing it for many yrs. We care so much about wage increase but forget that there are plenty of lazy people who don't even want to work unless they are force. You already got those who worked low wages is doing their best and get assistance where it is need.
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Fuel to the Fire 8...
Working full-time minimum wage earns about $14,500 per year. That puts millions of people in the poverty category, and that qualifies them for government benefits, social programs, etc.
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I remember when I was working a factory job and u brung my income tax for my uncle to do and my total for the year was like 22k.... Even at that time I didn't think it was alot but my uncle was like "wow! You made alot of money last year!".... I thought to myself " really? I don't think 22k is alot at all...."
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Fuel to the Fire 9....
Biggie says, Mo money Mo problems.
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Inflation. In the 90s, I could buy a soda can from the vending machine for $0.25. Now it's $0.75. $15/hr minimum sounds right. When worker have more money, they spend and create a demand for jobs. I am all for $15/hr.
I feel I would need to make $160,000 to live comfortably in this country.
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I don't mind living off of $15 an hour as long as both me and my wife is making that. I want to dumb all my expenses and go back to the simple life.
:)
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I'm bumping this thread.
Well it sure looks like those who protested for the wage hike just dug their own graves.
After some states passed the wage hike, some employers like McDonald's are rolling out kiosks.
It doesn't take a psychic to see that one coming.
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I'm bumping this thread.
Well it sure looks like those who protested for the wage hike just dug their own graves.
After some states passed the wage hike, some employers like McDonald's are rolling out kiosks.
It doesn't take a psychic to see that one coming.
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Not to long ago... I went through a McDonald's drive thru to grab a happy meal for the kid... and when I got home, they gave me a 4 piece instead of the 6 I asked for and they charged me for.... and I'm just thinking... "and you want $15/hour"... pfff....
I'm not saying we should eliminate the minimum wage, I just don't agree with doubling it overnight. Maybe small increments to track with inflation... but wages, at the bottom and at the top, should truly be market driven, not by politicians.
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Not to long ago... I went through a McDonald's drive thru to grab a happy meal for the kid... and when I got home, they gave me a 4 piece instead of the 6 I asked for and they charged me for.... and I'm just thinking... "and you want $15/hour"... pfff....
I'm not saying we should eliminate the minimum wage, I just don't agree with doubling it overnight. Maybe small increments to track with inflation... but wages, at the bottom and at the top, should truly be market driven, not by politicians.
I heavily agree with you there.
I've had to deal with some seriously lazy employees at those big box retailers. No way do they deserve $15/hr. I know hair stylists who don't start at that and they had to get training!