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General Category => Hmong Culture & History => Hmong Stories => Topic started by: HmongKnight on May 07, 2011, 02:23:39 PM
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"UA NEEB" to me is a shaman ways to find out what caused that person to get sick and how to cure him/her. Now days, we live in an era where there are many illness and diseases that can not be cure by a shaman's ritual such as; AIDS, cancer, hypetitus, Tuberculosis and many others. These kind of illness can not be cure unless one seek help from doctors and take the right medications for it. Even with the right medication, it can only slow down the illness and not completely cure it.
But what I don't get it is that many families still practice shamanism's ritual to cure these kind of illness. And it can be costly too.
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u are just one of those ignorant hater out there bashing on your own culture. yes jingle bells does not cure all form of disease and sickness but when even 21st century modern medical science doesn't cure, you seek other options. don't be too narrow minded. it may cost a lot of money but hey compare to a checkup medical bill which one is more expensive huh. a freaken body procedure in one of those machine cost you in the thousands of dollars and in the end you still die of cancer.
so your stupid question should also say that "why are christian still praying to god when god doesn't cure AIDS" Praying to me is like having a sense of faith so i can be stronger against the battle for my life. no difference in jingle bells. if we believe it, it gives us some faith and comfort to battle against our lives, we'll do it because its another option even if it cost money because one's life is priceless and precious. whether u are a christian that hates traditional practice or not, lighten up and appreciate your own culture because nothing can change the fact that u are hmong even if you believe in another god O0
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Jingle bell gave hope back then in Laos when medication wasn't available. Same exact thing can be said about prayer, it gives us hope
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Neeb is a psychological healing practice. It should be used solely for that. But perhaps the Hmong mind isn't open up to physical treatments yet.
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Neeb is a psychological healing practice. It should be used solely for that. But perhaps the Hmong mind isn't open up to physical treatments yet.
i think the younger generations are more open to treatment and even our parents as well. the only one who don't really like medical treatments are the grandparents. My grandparents ua neeb just about every other weeks haha even the doctors told them what caused the sickness already, you know old people tends to have health problems because it's a common thing when you grow older. i was shock hearing the grandparents will ua neeb when i heard my dad telling us not to have plans for the weekend and i always told my dad "didn't they just ua neeb 2weeks ago" haha. with our family we only ua neeb once in a long time just to be on the safe side so when we go anywhere we can has a sense of knowing we will be fine.
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i think the younger generations are more open to treatment and even our parents as well. the only one who don't really like medical treatments are the grandparents. My grandparents ua neeb just about every other weeks haha even the doctors told them what caused the sickness already, you know old people tends to have health problems because it's a common thing when you grow older. i was shock hearing the grandparents will ua neeb when i heard my dad telling us not to have plans for the weekend and i always told my dad "didn't they just ua neeb 2weeks ago" haha. with our family we only ua neeb once in a long time just to be on the safe side so when we go anywhere we can has a sense of knowing we will be fine.
Very common. haha...
I believe in neeb, too. But I don't think it has to be performed that often.
Now, another thing is: the OGs don't trust the Western medical system. Wonder how that came about...lol... I find it ironic because VP and the rest of the Hmong vets have trusted the Western soldier entirely. ;D
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When I am sick or one of my family is, I will explore every option out there to help. I dont know why people complain about stuff that dont even affect or concern them directly. ::)
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Very common. haha...
I believe in neeb, too. But I don't think it has to be performed that often.
Now, another thing is: the OGs don't trust the Western medical system. Wonder how that came about...lol... I find it ironic because VP and the rest of the Hmong vets have trusted the Western soldier entirely. ;D
no idea. what's intrigue me is that they are not willingly to seek professional doctors for answers but rather spend miles of travel to allow these fake self proclaim hmong doctors to treat them.
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It is important to treat a person spiritually and and physically. "Ua neeb ua yaig" is for spiritual purposes... but that shouldn't just be the only thing. I do agree that Hmong people need NOT be so stubborn and also seek medical help to also physically cure an illness.
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Praying also does nothing to help cure a person with AIDS, yet people still do it.. why, cause people want to have a sense that they have some kind of control, even if just a little.
Personally, I think ua neeb and praying are both useless. I won't try to damper other peoples hope.. and still participate, but I'd still think it's ridiculous.
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Not really the same thing.. UA NEEB cost alot of money and very time consuming. Now days, not too many txiv neeb around so some families in smaller Hmong communities have to travel 3/4 hours to pick up a txiv neeb to come do the rituals and send him/her back. A regular ritual will cost a family average of $400 to $500. On the other hand, a prayer from church members only last about 30 minutes. The only thing a family need to do is provide some fruits and drinks for the guests.
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Neeb is intended only for spirit related illnesses. I think you may be confusing that with physical illness.
I have a distant uncle who's new born had a swallowing complications. NOthing can go inside his stomach, so doctors want to do a surgery on his upper adominal because the muscle is too tight and won't allow anything to go through.. But he insist that doctors let him take the baby home to do a shaman ritual on him first and see if it helps before the surgery. DOctors denied his requested.. He argued with the doctors and the head of the hospital all day long. At the end, child protection has to take over the case and forced the surgery.
So why are we doing this to ourself in a society where technologies are so advance and the dumbest person can read and write??
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i think the poster is 13 yrs old.
next.
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well when my family gets sick my parents always call our grandpa which is a shaman and he knows all the causes to us, and when my mom had cancer my grndpa already knew she had cancer. but this probably helps some. my grandpa was one of the most powerful shaman ive ever known, but there can be better ones out there. LOL
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Doing the Hmong rituals help the living human feel good mentally sometimes. Being healthy mentally helps fight the physical pain. Even if the ritual doesn't cure the living human physically some people believe that the reason the human flesh is starting to raw out is because the spirit is moving away from the body.
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Doing the Hmong rituals help the living human feel good mentally sometimes. Being healthy mentally helps fight the physical pain. Even if the ritual doesn't cure the living human physically some people believe that the reason the human flesh is starting to raw out is because the spirit is moving away from the body.
I agreed because alot of the OG's illness are not caused by physical pain but mentally pain. As one doctor quoted that the best medicine to cure a person ill is eat healthy and exercise. If a shamans ritual make him/her feels good and start to eat, work, walk, run, and laugh then it sometime cure those mentally ill people. But the bottom line is not a shaman's ritual that cure the illness, but the laughter, eat, and exercise is what cure that illness.
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"UA NEEB" to me is a shaman ways to find out what caused that person to get sick and how to cure him/her. Now days, we live in an era where there are many illness and diseases that can not be cure by a shaman's ritual such as; AIDS, cancer, hypetitus, Tuberculosis and many others. These kind of illness can not be cure unless one seek help from doctors and take the right medications for it. Even with the right medication, it can only slow down the illness and not completely cure it.
But what I don't get it is that many families still practice shamanism's ritual to cure these kind of illness. And it can be costly too.
"UA NEEB!" is only for spiritual causes...if you have AIDS GOT GO TO THE DOCTORS AND GET THAT bodypart of yours checked out..i called it hmoob ruam if everything always ends up into ua neeb tas li to cure or fix something like aids..like dumb hmong christians prays to god all the time and don't realize when shiet god has people invented hospital for those kind of shiet, so quit bothering god and take that body part of yours to doctors to check out so they can help you....if you're stupid then you're stupid regardless to what religion you are..
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"UA NEEB" to me is a shaman ways to find out what caused that person to get sick and how to cure him/her. Now days, we live in an era where there are many illness and diseases that can not be cure by a shaman's ritual such as; AIDS, cancer, hypetitus, Tuberculosis and many others. These kind of illness can not be cure unless one seek help from doctors and take the right medications for it. Even with the right medication, it can only slow down the illness and not completely cure it.
But what I don't get it is that many families still practice shamanism's ritual to cure these kind of illness. And it can be costly too.
Yes, you are right, such serious illness as you'd mention can't be cure by a soul calling ceremony.
However, people's health starts to degrade as their mental and eventually, spiritual health suffer. I like to look at the soul-calling ceremony as a matter of faith, if you believe in it, than you believe you're cure and you simply become happier.
I also notice that a lot of people that order these ceremony are often depressed and seeking attention.
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I have a distant uncle who's new born had a swallowing complications. NOthing can go inside his stomach, so doctors want to do a surgery on his upper adominal because the muscle is too tight and won't allow anything to go through.. But he insist that doctors let him take the baby home to do a shaman ritual on him first and see if it helps before the surgery. DOctors denied his requested.. He argued with the doctors and the head of the hospital all day long. At the end, child protection has to take over the case and forced the surgery.
So why are we doing this to ourself in a society where technologies are so advance and the dumbest person can read and write??
it was dumb on his part for now allowing the surgery but he could've gone home and done the ceremony without trying to bring the kid home... he could've done neeb to help the baby go through the surgery... instead he argued with the doc.... bad on his part...
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Ua neeg and praying is for spiritual support...
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If med and doc can not cure AIDS, why still go to the hospital.
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Because if you don't go to the hospital you will die faster and harsher. AIDS patients, although not completely cured, are getting a lot of breakthrough medicines nowadays and are able to live much better than before.
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I tried reading it, but the grammar gave me a headache.
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Believe and do whatever makes you happy but don't bash anyone else for their beliefs.
This is why religion and politics have always been a touchy subject. :-\
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"UA NEEB" to me is a shaman ways to find out what caused that person to get sick and how to cure him/her. Now days, we live in an era where there are many illness and diseases that can not be cure by a shaman's ritual such as; AIDS, cancer, hypetitus, Tuberculosis and many others. These kind of illness can not be cure unless one seek help from doctors and take the right medications for it. Even with the right medication, it can only slow down the illness and not completely cure it.
But what I don't get it is that many families still practice shamanism's ritual to cure these kind of illness. And it can be costly too.
and u think Jesus can cure them too??..
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u are just one of those ignorant hater out there bashing on your own culture. yes jingle bells does not cure all form of disease and sickness but when even 21st century modern medical science doesn't cure, you seek other options. don't be too narrow minded. it may cost a lot of money but hey compare to a checkup medical bill which one is more expensive huh. a freaken body procedure in one of those machine cost you in the thousands of dollars and in the end you still die of cancer.
so your stupid question should also say that "why are christian still praying to god when god doesn't cure AIDS" Praying to me is like having a sense of faith so i can be stronger against the battle for my life. no difference in jingle bells. if we believe it, it gives us some faith and comfort to battle against our lives, we'll do it because its another option even if it cost money because one's life is priceless and precious. whether u are a christian that hates traditional practice or not, lighten up and appreciate your own culture because nothing can change the fact that u are hmong even if you believe in another god O0
do you even know the difference between culture and religion....an d atleast he is her asking the opinopns of us to possibly become less ignorant. so cut the guy some slack.
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Why do it? If a person who believes in God can pray for a cure then it's logical for a hmong person who believes in Shamanism to Ua NEEB for a cure as well. The bottom line is: when people suffer from whatever illness, cure or incurable, it gives them hope to try different ways of curing themselves..
Whatever gives them hope, let it be..
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I agreed because alot of the OG's illness are not caused by physical pain but mentally pain. As one doctor quoted that the best medicine to cure a person ill is eat healthy and exercise. If a shamans ritual make him/her feels good and start to eat, work, walk, run, and laugh then it sometime cure those mentally ill people. But the bottom line is not a shaman's ritual that cure the illness, but the laughter, eat, and exercise is what cure that illness.
don't underasitmate the power of the jiggle men/women..i've seen not enough to no tat it's true...i'll make tis short...there was a story of a cuz, who's being acting weird @nite...i mean he would bute his wife while sleeping, doctor gave him crazy pills to eat..they almost sent him yo the crazy house, jiggle ppl looked into it....did their jiggles the dude was cure...
But the topic is about aids...it is phy. Illness nit spirirtual.. there for..if pills can't cure AIDs jiggle can nit help.
The only thing tat can help is wen you doing the boom boom, wear ur PFD JACKET. Or don't put urself un the position to get AIDs in the 1st place.
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Why do it? If a person who believes in God can pray for a cure then it's logical for a hmong person who believes in Shamanism to Ua NEEB for a cure as well. The bottom line is: when people suffer from whatever illness, cure or incurable, it gives them hope to try different ways of curing themselves..
Whatever gives them hope, let it be..
tat why wen ppl heard hear of others geting sick they rush to the house N try yo brain wash ppl yo buy their dry tree barks. Grass, weeds. N pulling this.. there is a hmng person with tat illness.. he bought my crab grass to eat N was cure...(BS).. where is this person..do you have paper proof from the (hmng person..) saying yea. It worked for him..
NO, cuz there will always be word of mouth..i have my own reason to not believe in those grass, tree bark. They look like crab grass N twigs from my bavk yard...
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"ua neeb" is a holy and perhaps spiritual medication. it is just to stimulate the mind so that chemical from the brain would be sent to the body. sometimes it works and at other times does not. this is all to it. it is a cultural and tradidtional thing. each race has their own unique way of practice with it (holy/spiritual medication).
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LMAO! Ignorant ass person!
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;D
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"UA NEEB" to me is a shaman ways to find out what caused that person to get sick and how to cure him/her. Now days, we live in an era where there are many illness and diseases that can not be cure by a shaman's ritual such as; AIDS, cancer, hypetitus, Tuberculosis and many others. These kind of illness can not be cure unless one seek help from doctors and take the right medications for it. Even with the right medication, it can only slow down the illness and not completely cure it.
But what I don't get it is that many families still practice shamanism's ritual to cure these kind of illness. And it can be costly too.
We Hmong in America have two issues: 1. we don't believe in Western medicines, and 2. we don't know enough that shamanism cannot cure these ailments.
So, where does the sick go for help?
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So, where does the sick go for help?
See a Doctor of course.
Aids and HIV is no joke. Along with STD and what ever is out there. 1st things 1st... Rain coat that little man of your so that it don't catch a cold. Ua Neeg is to cure the spirit only. Not the skin.
If you want to heal the soul, Jiggle Bell is the way, if you wanna heal the bone, go see doctor or those magic hmng ppl. If you wanna cure a illness go see doctor.