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Life & Living => Faith & Beliefs => Topic started by: Dok_Champa on January 28, 2022, 08:30:37 AM

Title: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: Dok_Champa on January 28, 2022, 08:30:37 AM
 One thing I can say about it is it's unique to our culture..  I've watched hmong folks in Vietnam & China vie youtube and their practice of shamanism is similar to what we see in Thailand, Laos, and USA and likely similar across the board for Hmong living in other parts of the world.

Do you believe in Shamanism?  If yes, why?   If no, why not?



Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on January 28, 2022, 10:18:53 AM
One thing I can say about it is it's unique to our culture..  I've watched hmong folks in Vietnam & China vie youtube and their practice of shamanism is similar to what we see in Thailand, Laos, and USA and likely similar across the board for Hmong living in other parts of the world.

Do you believe in Shamanism?  If yes, why?   If no, why not?

some aspect of it is still really good
you know

like worshiping your ancestor
my dad still leave some rice+meat outside and call his ancestor spirits to come feast

that is something lost in hmong christian
WORSHIPING OF YOUR ANCESTOR



Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: Dok_Champa on January 28, 2022, 11:09:18 AM
Rock, you must have gone to a few  jingles, do you believe in Shamanism?  If yes, why?  If no, why not?

Christians don't believe in such that's why but they live on in our heart.
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: Visualmon on January 28, 2022, 06:20:39 PM
It's a NO for me. I've gone through terrible phases of mental illness where I came from like Shamanism.
I had to use all my strength to break off the chain that my family believe in such notion that my ancestors are still alive when they're actually dead. There's no proof they can be reborn or reincarnate to next life.  ;D
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: Reporter on January 28, 2022, 08:56:42 PM
I must say the creation of various kinds of shamanism this day and age has been quite interesting.

There's neeb saub and neeb tiam 21, etc.

Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on January 28, 2022, 10:14:33 PM
you should go back to being a shaman
don't even folo the church teaching anyways

just a waste time

just watch NFL FOOTBALL ON SUNDAY instead

Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: Visualmon on January 29, 2022, 12:37:17 AM
I must say the creation of various kinds of shamanism this day and age has been quite interesting.

There's neeb saub and neeb tiam 21, etc.

The interesting and entertaining part in Shamanism is when the Shaman do the front flip in mid-air as it's a part of circus act. Ka-pluck! the body became dead on the ground so his buddies have to carry him back yard and bury him. It seems the Shaman died first before the sick person sitting on the wooden bench.  smh

I heard from someone that there's a darker version of Shamanism when they perform witchcraft to spiritual dimension to see their loved ones.
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: Dok_Champa on January 29, 2022, 10:01:25 AM
As Christians, we each have our own unique story of salvation, testimonials.  It is a journey of God's grace and mercy indeed. 

One thing about technology, youtube, people get to learn about each other.  In the past, we don't see shamans openly talk about their craft.

My opinion of Shamanism, it's not from God nor approve by God. 
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on January 29, 2022, 03:22:30 PM
As Christians, we each have our own unique story of salvation, testimonials.  It is a journey of God's grace and mercy indeed. 

One thing about technology, youtube, people get to learn about each other.  In the past, we don't see shamans openly talk about their craft.

My opinion of Shamanism, it's not from God nor approve by God.


This is a low coming from you
It makes zero sense

Approved by god???
How
Which god??
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on January 29, 2022, 03:25:56 PM
The interesting and entertaining part in Shamanism is when the Shaman do the front flip in mid-air as it's a part of circus act. Ka-pluck! the body became dead on the ground so his buddies have to carry him back yard and bury him. It seems the Shaman died first before the sick person sitting on the wooden bench.  smh

I heard from someone that there's a darker version of Shamanism when they perform witchcraft to spiritual dimension to see their loved ones.

Lol

I also find it entertaining
When the religious nut Christian
Start twitching and shaking uncontrollably
Water coming out of his mouth
Hands in the air like he just don’t cared
Dancing like he is at the hmong club
As the holy ghost takes over his body


 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: Visualmon on January 29, 2022, 08:31:42 PM
Why hmgROCK defending himself with the 2nd account? Can't he defend himself with one account so he need another fake dude to back him up. Weak lawm.  :2funny:  :2funny:
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: Visualmon on January 29, 2022, 08:36:46 PM
Lol

I also find it entertaining
When the religious nut Christian
Start twitching and shaking uncontrollably
Water coming out of his mouth
Hands in the air like he just don’t cared
Dancing like he is at the hmong club
As the holy ghost takes over his body


 ;D ;D ;D

So the Christians you speak of, do they died? If not then there's no comparison.  O0
The funnier part is that hmgROCK actually came from that part of congregation goons which is why he mentioned about his regrets.  :2funny:
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on January 29, 2022, 10:11:49 PM
Why hmgROCK defending himself with the 2nd account? Can't he defend himself with one account so he need another fake dude to back him up. Weak lawm.  :2funny:  :2funny:

Lol

I don’t need two account to whoop your ass
Don’t group people who disagree with with you as ROCK
there only one ROCKBOY

Trust me
There ton of folks who think your religion is crazy nutz
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on January 29, 2022, 10:14:57 PM
So the Christians you speak of, do they died? If not then there's no comparison.  O0
The funnier part is that hmgROCK actually came from that part of congregation goons which is why he mentioned about his regrets.  :2funny:

Don’t talk about your Christian goon like that
Yall leaf off the same branch

 ;D ;D

The entertainment part is when they collapse from the holy spirit
and people catch them
Sometimes people don’t catch
And you hear a THUMP as they hit the ground


 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: Visualmon on January 29, 2022, 10:16:00 PM
Lol

I don’t need two account to whoop your ass
Don’t group people who disagree with with you as ROCK
there only one ROCKBOY

Trust me
There ton of folks who think your religion is crazy nutz

You and what army?  :2funny:
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on January 29, 2022, 10:20:45 PM
You and what army?  :2funny:

Lol

the rest of the world
Majority of hmong are still shaman
You just don’t see them on PH
Cuz sucky site

You guys are just the minorities
What you see at your small local church is it

THE TRUTH HURTS
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: Visualmon on January 29, 2022, 10:24:32 PM
Don’t talk about your Christian goon like that
Yall leaf off the same branch

Lol

I also find it entertaining
When the religious nut Christian
Start twitching and shaking uncontrollably
Water coming out of his mouth
Hands in the air like he just don’t cared
Dancing like he is at the hmong club

As the holy ghost takes over his body

**** scratching head ****

Look who's talking and mocking them. Your dementia revealing your incompetency.  ;D

 :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on January 29, 2022, 10:26:56 PM
**** scratching head ****

Look who's talking and mocking them. Your dementia revealing your incompetency.  ;D

 :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:

You mock the shaman
Since there no active shaman folks on PH
i will do the honor and mock you back for them

DID I TOUCH A NERVE???

Ahhahaha ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: Visualmon on January 29, 2022, 10:27:05 PM
Lol

the rest of the world
Majority of hmong are still shaman
You just don’t see them on PH
Cuz sucky site

You guys are just the minorities
What you see at your small local church is it

THE TRUTH HURTS

I don't see them in the past, present, and future. They died by Spanish Flu and so is Covid.  :2funny:
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on January 29, 2022, 10:28:56 PM
I don't see them in the past, present, and future. They died by Spanish Flu and so is Covid.  :2funny:

Don’t pretend and lie to yourself
They are really much alive
And rappng little alter boys

Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: Visualmon on January 29, 2022, 10:29:08 PM
You mock the shaman
Since there no shaman folks on PH
i will do the honor and mock you back for them

DID I TOUCH A NERVE???

Ahhahaha ;D ;D ;D

I think it's the other way around. My sarcastic opinions offend you which is why you keep responding with anger.  :2funny:
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on January 29, 2022, 10:30:31 PM
I think it's the other way around. My sarcastic opinions offend you which is why you keep responding with anger.  :2funny:

I’m atheist
Nothing can offend me
I actually giggle
To be honest
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: Visualmon on January 29, 2022, 10:30:42 PM
Don’t pretend and lie to yourself
They are really much alive
And rappng little alter boys

Here we go again, changing subjects. I thought we suppose to discuss Shaman belief, not pedo-priest and your pedo-Ray.
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: Visualmon on January 29, 2022, 10:33:23 PM
I’m atheist
Nothing can offend me
I actually giggle
To be honest

You ain't Atheist.
If you were one why feeling butthurted when Shamanism is mentioned. That backfired. Yo  :2funny:
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on January 29, 2022, 10:35:21 PM
You ain't Atheist.
If you were one why feeling butthurted when Shamanism is mentioned. That backfired. Yo  :2funny:

Lol

No im not butthurt
I giggle
Because i witness a shaman fall off his horse
I mean fall down the chair while jumping


Hahahaha ;D ;D
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: Visualmon on January 29, 2022, 10:54:13 PM
Lol

No im not butthurt
I giggle
Because i witness a shaman fall off his horse
I mean fall down the chair while jumping


Hahahaha ;D ;D

Your denial becomes apparent.  O0
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on January 29, 2022, 10:57:53 PM
Your denial becomes apparent.  O0

Nothing to deny
I make fun of all religion

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: Visualmon on January 29, 2022, 11:00:06 PM
Nothing to deny
I make fun of all religion

 ;D ;D

Yeah you make fun of your own religion aka Shamanism then I see you throwing tantrum at same time. That's hilarious.  :2funny:
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: Dok_Champa on January 29, 2022, 11:31:54 PM

This is a low coming from you
It makes zero sense

Approved by god???
How
Which god??
Not meant to be disrespectful towards other religion/faith but stating the fact of Christianity, their views and belief.  It is the first commandment of the 10 commandments.

https://strathmore.edu/su-chaplaincy/the-10-commandments-of-god/
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on January 30, 2022, 07:22:56 AM
Not meant to be disrespectful towards other religion/faith but stating the fact of Christianity, their views and belief.  It is the first commandment of the 10 commandments.

https://strathmore.edu/su-chaplaincy/the-10-commandments-of-god/

You know the muslim
They say “there is no god but allah”

They too discredited your god approval


Many beliefs out there
You know

Like my PINK UNICORN RELIGION

Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on January 30, 2022, 07:24:56 AM
Yeah you make fun of your own religion aka Shamanism then I see you throwing tantrum at same time. That's hilarious.  :2funny:

I don’t throw tantrum
I giggle and laugh

Maybe i touch a nerve withe my TWITCHING AND SHAKING comment ;D :D
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on January 30, 2022, 07:25:49 AM

Uuuuh...soooo cute! This man tries to bite when he can't. Has your polarized brain made you mental?

Lol

You know its the truth
How was the holy ghost ROLE PLAYING???
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on January 30, 2022, 09:42:09 AM
why you get trigger when i say twitch and shake

funniest shyt in this world i swear
more entertainment than the movie theater !!!! :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
 
(https://i0.wp.com/churchwatchcentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/screen-shot-2019-09-27-at-7.36.33-am.png?ssl=1)
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: Dok_Champa on January 30, 2022, 10:09:33 AM
Rock, I was once blind so I know where you're coming from:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGlMd53So0A&ab_channel=davidkat99 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGlMd53So0A&ab_channel=davidkat99)
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on January 30, 2022, 06:56:53 PM
Rock, I was once blind so I know where you're coming from:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGlMd53So0A&ab_channel=davidkat99 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGlMd53So0A&ab_channel=davidkat99)

You were never blind
Peer pressure from family and relatives got you

Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: Visualmon on January 31, 2022, 12:50:42 AM
I don’t throw tantrum
I giggle and laugh

Maybe i touch a nerve withe my TWITCHING AND SHAKING comment ;D :D

hmgROCK: I don’t throw tantrum. I giggle and laugh
his bipolar self: I do throw tantrum. I get angry and cry. And I'm sensitive.

 :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on January 31, 2022, 07:10:43 AM
hmgROCK: I don’t throw tantrum. I giggle and laugh
his bipolar self: I do throw tantrum. I get angry and cry. And I'm sensitive.

 :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:

Lol

I’m not your dacurse guy

I don’t need two account to whoop your butt in debate
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on January 31, 2022, 10:29:57 PM

Rooooight....l ad.

of course!
too easy for me to debate

Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: Visualmon on February 01, 2022, 01:48:02 AM
Lol

I’m not your dacurse guy

I don’t need two account to whoop your butt in debate

I haven't forgotten you always get angry so you'll need your DaPurse to hit me the face. I'll turn my other cheek so you can hit again.   :2funny:

(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/b9/99/50/b9995062dde8097b92df8caabf9b8a30.jpg)
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on February 01, 2022, 09:36:34 AM
dacurse is from SAC
im from wisconsin bro

do they have snow in SAC?

(https://i.imgur.com/rPkjgPt.jpg)
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on February 01, 2022, 01:57:00 PM
Lies!

Do they have snow in sac?

Lol

I don’t lie man
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: theking on February 01, 2022, 04:56:22 PM
I don’t lie man


Just lied, dude



                                            *** SCRATCH HEAD ***
Title: Re: Shamanism, new and old
Post by: hmgROCK on February 01, 2022, 10:39:25 PM
Roooooight...

I still don't believe you because you can fabricate whatever you have that is on the photo.

i can't fabricate  snow
plus i took that picture today for you two

 ;D ;D ;D O0 O0 O0