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Life & Living => Work Avenue => Topic started by: YAX on September 24, 2016, 10:29:13 AM
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one thing alot of people don't understand is that managers can discriminate against you at work but as long as they don't mention your race as the reason you got no case. If you feel discriminated against your task is to document everything that was done but most importantly, you have to catch them or get them to say it out loud and in front of others so that they can't claim they never said it. Until that time, you got no case.
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one thing alot of people don't understand is that managers can discriminate against you at work but as long as they don't mention your race as the reason you got no case. If you feel discriminated against your task is to document everything that was done but most importantly, you have to catch them or get them to say it out loud and in front of others so that they can't claim they never said it. Until that time, you got no case.
Guess it depends on which employer. I've worked at places where if your boss doesn't follow the code of conduct/ethics and he/she discriminates against you, he/she can be in hot water even if he/she never mention your race.
For examples, he/she is making negative comments about your looks, the clothes you wear, etc., or he/she is displaying things like pictures, posters, and symbols that have racial significance..
What's most important is always speak up, don't be afraid...regar dless if it's against you or you witness it against another person...
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This is what happens when the only plan you have in life is to get hired by someone else. This is why white people continue to kick everybody's a.ss in the business world. They aren't hoping to get hired by you. They create their own businesses and make the system work for them. The Chinese, Vietnamese, and Indians get it. They go to college to become entrepreneurs and implement group economics in their communities. The Hmong go to college hoping to be employed by white people.
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What if they mention your religion or sexual orientation, disability, or even just age?
one thing alot of people don't understand is that managers can discriminate against you at work but as long as they don't mention your race as the reason you got no case. If you feel discriminated against your task is to document everything that was done but most importantly, you have to catch them or get them to say it out loud and in front of others so that they can't claim they never said it. Until that time, you got no case.
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This is what happens when the only plan you have in life is to get hired by someone else. This is why white people continue to kick everybody's a.ss in the business world. They aren't hoping to get hired by you. They create their own businesses and make the system work for them. The Chinese, Vietnamese, and Indians get it. They go to college to become entrepreneurs and implement group economics in their communities. The Hmong go to college hoping to be employed by white people.
Yes, this is one that I can agree with you on. Being country less, that's all we can expect to be - be employed by white.
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What if they mention your religion or sexual orientation, disability, or even just age?
That's what you hope for but the ones who explicitly discriminate tends to be those who were put into management positions but never got management training. Anyone who got management training knows enough to keep quiet when they discriminate. Companies often pay some lawyer to hold discrimination training for their management teams. A manager can discriminate against your race by simply not hiring anyone for anything beyond blue collar work or not promoting anyone or giving them the worst hours, worst pay, or worst tasks but as long as they don't explicitly say it was because they don't like Asians, you really got no case.
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Maybe they arent discriminating agianst the worker..
Maybe they just dont like the worker becuase they argue, lazy, and incompotent?
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Discrimination doesn't have to always be about race, although, I'm sure that's probably like the #1. I've been discriminated by my race, being female, and for being poor (when I was younger). Once, I was discriminated for having one C on my grade report. Yep, the manager asked and I was just an honest person. She told me I couldn't work for her store because a C was a no no.
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A C? !?! that's halarious.
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A C? !?! that's halarious.
Would you see a doctor with an average scores on tests? :2funny: :2funny:
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Guess it depends on which employer. I've worked at places where if your boss doesn't follow the code of conduct/ethics and he/she discriminates against you, he/she can be in hot water even if he/she never mention your race.
For examples, he/she is making negative comments about your looks, the clothes you wear, etc., or he/she is displaying things like pictures, posters, and symbols that have racial significance..
What's most important is always speak up, don't be afraid...regar dless if it's against you or you witness it against another person...
being in hot water in that case is merely the policy of the company. You still got no legal case if the company chooses to do nothing about it.
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Discrimination doesn't have to always be about race, although, I'm sure that's probably like the #1. I've been discriminated by my race, being female, and for being poor (when I was younger). Once, I was discriminated for having one C on my grade report. Yep, the manager asked and I was just an honest person. She told me I couldn't work for her store because a C was a no no.
anything that isn't protected is fair game for explicit discrimination .
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Maybe they arent discriminating agianst the worker..
Maybe they just dont like the worker becuase they argue, lazy, and incompotent?
That's okay becsue laziness isn't protected by law. The problem is, the law says all this and that about racial discrimination, sexual etc.. but when it happens, you can't do anything about it unless the manager was dumb enough to tell you they were discriminating against you because of your race or sex or orientation or religion.. or whatever else that is explicitly protected. If they are smart enough to just assign you the most dangerous tasks or the worst tasks or the worst hours or just not give you priority when you request for time off etc.. nothing you can do about it even if you know they are picking in you.
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being in hot water in that case is merely the policy of the company. You still got no legal case if the company chooses to do nothing about it.
Going by that then even if the company is blatantly racist against you and you've even "catch" them say it in front of others, if they (others and the company) choose to do nothing, then you have no case either.
With that said, there are a few discrimination cases where the person that was discriminated against won eventhough his/her boss/"managers" didn't mentioned his/her "race", "gender", etc., out loud...
Regardless, overall chance of winning an employment discrimination lawsuit is low for the plaintiff which is why there's only been a few winners thus far.
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Would you see a doctor with an average scores on tests? :2funny: :2funny:
Actually.yes..
This reminds me of a storie...
Anyways...my aquaintance was talking to me about how he was talking to a doctor..
And he said youd probably assume they all make good grades etc etc...
But he said actually...tha t doctor said that all doctors are pretty much just average...said they make b's and c's in school too..like med school...
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btw.. In Grad schools, C is generally considered a failing grade.
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btw.. In Grad schools, C is generally considered a failing grade.
That's what I've heard from some too mainly due to higher standards and more pressure and obviously more $$$...
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That's what I've heard from some too mainly due to higher standards and more pressure and obviously more $$$...
Plus to be accepted to a good grad school, you'll need at least a B average so anything below that really should be a fail.
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A C? !?! that's halarious.
Yep, it sure is hilarious.
Would you see a doctor with an average scores on tests? :2funny: :2funny:
What?
Actually.yes..
This reminds me of a storie...
Anyways...my aquaintance was talking to me about how he was talking to a doctor..
And he said youd probably assume they all make good grades etc etc...
But he said actually...tha t doctor said that all doctors are pretty much just average...said they make b's and c's in school too..like med school...
Then my husband wasn't average. He's no MD but does work in the medical field. He was straight A's with a B here and there all through his doctorate.
btw.. In Grad schools, C is generally considered a failing grade.
That makes sense. But, I wasn't in grad school. This was sophomore year in high school. This was the time when you'd expect adults to help teenagers...gi ve teens a chance to show them that they (the adults) want them to succeed. Personally, growing up being told "don't waste your time in school, get married, you're too dumb," and having fast food managers look at you like they don't trust you or they need to know that you're a straight A student before they can hire you can cause a ton of stress and frustration. I was very heartbroken. It felt like no one cared and life actually felt pointless. It was the darkest and saddest time of my teenage life. FORTUNATELY, my teachers really liked me. They thought I was smart, learned quick, was talented, etc. My computer teacher had me assist him with helping the students because I always finished my work within like the first 10 minutes of class. So with free time I checked out the teachers job post and saw a bank teller position. I asked the teacher if he would recommend I apply and he did. He even knew the HR and gave a good word for me. I cannot thank him enough.
btw, when you're in grad school, shouldn't you be an intern for the company in the career field you are studying to go into?
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The Hmong will NEVER be prosperous as long as they have the kind of mentality that I see everyday on PH. You all have a slave mentality. You have been conditioned in the public schools to be obedient to the system. Go to school. Go to college. Hope to find a job that pays decent. Work hard. Hope for promotion. Hope white boss doesn't discriminate against you.
Wealthy people do not think like that. First of all, rich kids go to school with a specialty career in mind - one in which their parents have built strong connections. For the rest of white Americans, they go to college to experience independence that prepares them to be strong entrepreneurs. Working for someone else is Plan B, not Plan A.
And because the Hmong do not practice group economics, you will always be at the mercy of other people. If you practiced group economics then you would secure employment all the time.
Just because there are successful Hmong individuals it does not mean the group is doing good. Just look at blacks. They have Jay-Z and Beyonce. They even have Oprah. But these are all individual accomplishment s. The group as a whole are not doing well at all. Not to mention that these successful minorities are completely dependent on whites to support their careers. As easily as it is given, it can also be taken away.
On the flip side, does Bill Gates need minorities to buy his products? Does Ellen D. need minorities to watch her show? Shit. even the Donald did not need a large minority turn out to win the presidency, but Obama needed blacks to come out in full force to win an election.
However, look at the Jews and the Chinese. They are successful even without white customers. They have their own legal teams, their own medical professionals, their own schools, their own retail stores, etc. They are completely independent of white mainstream America. And because of this they have risen to prominence in America. So much so that they can quickly climb ranks in mainstream jobs.
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Believe, it's not really a mentality thing. It's reality. Has nothing to do with being Hmong and even very successful people get discriminated.
But, I do know what you are saying about the Hmong community in general. It's moving along a little slow. The majority still seem to focus on something else other than doing for the greater good for its kind. But hey, at least it's moving along. :)
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The absurdity in this thread is how much YAX complains about discrimination .
Doesn't he live in the uber liberal state of California where love trumps hate?
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