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Title: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: hmgROCK on January 29, 2019, 11:42:06 AM
it is sooooo simple and easy

STOP OVERPAYING PEOPLE
like kings and queens

you got those top brass and CEO
getting paid $5-20 million per year
that CEO gopro  guy got paid $600 million one year

no body work that hard


For example:

Entry level:  $36k
Skill:  $60K
Manager:  $100k
the boss and top brass:  $250k



Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: hmgROCK on January 29, 2019, 11:43:53 AM
right now

the boss and top brass: $10-600 million, maybe even more

even billions

who knows
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: DuMa on January 29, 2019, 12:20:59 PM
With a standardized system, aient nobody gonna work for you. 

It is not based upon how hard a person work but more of a merit of a genuis mind. 

Musk
Cook
Bozo

There can only be one thus why they are getting the big bucks.
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: hmgROCK on January 29, 2019, 12:53:26 PM
With a standardized system, aient nobody gonna work for you. 

It is not based upon how hard a person work but more of a merit of a genuis mind. 

Musk
Cook
Bozo

There can only be one thus why they are getting the big bucks.

tim cook is not a genius mind
most of these genius mind are actually your level entry and skills
APPLE has a research team, where their employee are making/discovery new thing

genius mind are people who actually making the discovery
some student at MIT college are discoverying batteries that are like 100x efficent than the ion batteries

they are just in a high position
so therefore, they are automatic pay paying
that's the route right now
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: theking on January 29, 2019, 05:16:33 PM
it is sooooo simple and easy

Why not just win every lotto or bets out there and give it to others to balance things out especially the poor since you're the "hmong Nostradamus and is always right"??  ???

So far the only thing you could mustard after making all your claims is give poor people "spoilage" food... ::)
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: w1s3m0n on January 29, 2019, 09:41:26 PM
At the end of the day, this is how the world currently works:
1) You are a worker bee (that's you and I).
2) You are an information bee (That is the CxO aka top brass).
3) You are the owner bee. (OWNERS)

First and foremost, those who have the most are actually not the Information Bee who we always blame like the CEO.  They are merely like the queen bees who the owner bee use to laid eggs and enforce the worker bee to make honey for the owner bee.  The reason why the worker bees blame the information bees is that they are only aware of the information bees, and the worker bee is so stupid about how the world actually works, they don't even notice/know about the owner bee.  Every time when I teach this concept to people, they are blown away.  It humanizes the information bee...I only know of the information bee, and the owner bee because I use to be an information bee.  Bees are stupid...they only understand 1-degree of freedom.  Anything wider than that, they cannot comprehend too.

Second, we should stop blaming the Information Bee because they are still just a BEE (aka worker).  The owner bee owns everything...y es everything, including the beehive...etc. ..

With that said, I will say the owner bee does care for the bees.  They move the bees around to ensure the bees are productive.  They take care of the bees against the evils of the bears and other animals.   They have a lot of honey but they can't eat it all.  At the end of the day, most bees have enough to eat to be fat and dumb.

Anyways, you aren't going to change the system.  Speak to MLK, JFK, and all those KO'd...We will get our very own HRK.  Why is this?  To attack the owner bee, you have to string the owner and lose your stinger...you will die after losing your stinger.  To sting or not to sting?  Or as they say, to martyr or not to martyr.
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: dogmai on January 30, 2019, 06:36:29 AM
it is sooooo simple and easy

STOP OVERPAYING PEOPLE
like kings and queens

you got those top brass and CEO
getting paid $5-20 million per year
that CEO gopro  guy got paid $600 million one year

no body work that hard


For example:

Entry level:  $36k
Skill:  $60K
Manager:  $100k
the boss and top brass:  $250k


It's not about who works harder. It's about who is more responsible for the company's survival and success. And if a company is making hundreds of millions of dollars a year,  the CEO  is getting paid accordingly, especially if the CEO is responsible for the company's success and survival. 
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: hmgROCK on January 30, 2019, 08:16:06 AM
supervisor barking orders at their worker
we all know, who is the real worker


our reward system is mess up

that's why i proposal a fair system

For example:

Entry level:  $36k
Skill:  $60K
Manager:  $100k
the boss and top brass:  $250k



(https://i.imgur.com/EmFD7g5.jpg)
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: w1s3m0n on January 30, 2019, 01:32:05 PM
Right now the laborer (worker) assumes ZERO RISK, and so their reward is proportional to the risk they assume.  The solution IS for the workers to UNITE and ASSUME MORE RISKS for the enterprise and so they can be granted more REWARD.  Honestly, an enterprise owned by the workers can work, but the workers are fat and lazy, and so they don't want to deal with managing the enterprise.  Many times the workers sell out to LBO capitalists at a discount.  Unless the worker becomes more enterprising and accepts more risk for the outcome, then the system is exactly what it should be.  Family companies always sell out to LBO and so we know the routine...  People want money to live the life of milk and honey while the rest suffer.


supervisor barking orders at their worker
we all know, who is the real worker


our reward system is mess up

that's why i proposal a fair system

For example:

Entry level:  $36k
Skill:  $60K
Manager:  $100k
the boss and top brass:  $250k

Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: hmgROCK on January 30, 2019, 01:46:22 PM
Right now the laborer (worker) assumes ZERO RISK, and so their reward is proportional to the risk they assume.  The solution IS for the workers to UNITE and ASSUME MORE RISKS for the enterprise and so they can be granted more REWARD.  Honestly, an enterprise owned by the workers can work, but the workers are fat and lazy, and so they don't want to deal with managing the enterprise.  Many times the workers sell out to LBO capitalists at a discount.  Unless the worker becomes more enterprising and accepts more risk for the outcome, then the system is exactly what it should be.  Family companies always sell out to LBO and so we know the routine...  People want money to live the life of milk and honey while the rest suffer.

Lmao
Dude

Owner has zero risk
They can always file bankruptcy protection
Take trump for example
Dude has like 6-7 bankruptcy and he still a billionaire
All debt are forgiven

Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: w1s3m0n on January 30, 2019, 03:23:43 PM
You invest in the stock market and you don't understand the simple transaction for the underlying asset value of a stock?  LOL...  As a shareholder, you are an OWNER.  If the company goes BK, you lose 100% of your money until the court decides how much you will get...mayb a nickel on the dollar...so your $100 invested is now worth $5...MAYBE.  If a company goes BK, how much does a worker lose?  Their job.  Tomorrow they find a new job.  Who is taking the risk?  The owners/shareholder.  The laborer will jump from one owner to the next like a mercenary.

When Trump corporations filed for BK, the shareholder lost everything...w hatever Trump had in the company, he lost too...BUT, TRUMP as a person (via SSN) never filed BK.  Trump acts like smart money...smart money people never risk their hard earned money.  They risk other people's money.  These people are filthy rich and can afford the risk or are too stupid and are passive investors in 401k ETF or Pension.

Likewise as I was saying, when the smart money make the killing, they get the majority of the spoils...The workers get like the crumbs.  It's how the world works.

Here's another analogy in case you are too thickheaded.  You are a hunter.  You buy the gun, the ammos, and etc...  You scouted.  You found the pattern of the deers.  You spent a lot of money, 6 months preparing, and now you are ready to get your big game white tail.  You go to your stand, the deer cross over, you take aim, and you got a killshot.  As you went took the deer home, along the way, the guy who did NOTHING said, heh, you need to give me half your deer because that's the moral thing to do.  Let's say this person has been doing this for hundreds of years.  Is that fair?  Give up half your deer to somebody who did nothing?

Btw, I'm that someone who didn't do shit...I hope when I visit you in the Fox Valley area, you'll give me half your freshly killed deer.  That's the liberal thing to do...I hope you do it every time I ask for it...Otherwise, you talk the liberal talk but can't walk it.

And, I want half your fish and garden crops too...


Lmao
Dude

Owner has zero risk
They can always file bankruptcy protection
Take trump for example
Dude has like 6-7 bankruptcy and he still a billionaire
All debt are forgiven

Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: hmgROCK on January 30, 2019, 03:50:43 PM
You invest in the stock market and you don't understand the simple transaction for the underlying asset value of a stock?  LOL...  As a shareholder, you are an OWNER.  If the company goes BK, you lose 100% of your money until the court decides how much you will get...mayb a nickel on the dollar...so your $100 invested is now worth $5...MAYBE.  If a company goes BK, how much does a worker lose?  Their job.  Tomorrow they find a new job.  Who is taking the risk?  The owners/shareholder.  The laborer will jump from one owner to the next like a mercenary.

allow me to explain
i think you are missing a few part
there are two different type of stock

common stock= that you and me, the investor
preferred stock= usually thats the real owner and top brass

common stock will get wipe to zero
while preferred will get the money first
but some of those preferred stock are the owner and they get even more protection bond like, so they will get their money
almost like a preferred share in a preferred share, so you will get money no matter what, like first class stuff


that's why trump is soooo rich
he going wipe you out first before he wipe him
zero risk, just open new business and rinse and repeat
sooo easy

 O0 O0 O0 O0



here'a better description: of who get stuff first

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/difference-between-preferred-stock-and-common-stock/ (https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/difference-between-preferred-stock-and-common-stock/)

Preferred stockholders have a greater claim to a company's assets and earnings. This is true during the good times when the company has excess cash and decides to distribute money in the form of dividends to its investors. In these instances when distributions are made, preferred stockholders must be paid before common stockholders. However, this claim is most important during times of insolvency when common stockholders are last in line for the company's assets. This means that when the company must liquidate and pay all creditors and bondholders, common stockholders will not receive any money until after the preferred shareholders are paid out.
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: hmgROCK on January 30, 2019, 03:55:40 PM
someone like trump who has declare bankruptcy 6 times
you think he will owe a lot of people money

nope

dude don't owe anyone
debt and liability are all wipe out

ive see business take the easy way out and pay themselves and fawk everyone else


 :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:


that's why i don't suggest you buy single stock
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: w1s3m0n on January 30, 2019, 04:48:20 PM
HR, stick to the topic bro.  Trying to show you know more about the stock market than I do is a fallacy.  Attack my argument: workers wage is directionally proportionate to the risk they assume on the success/failure of the enterprise, and it is FAIR.  Owner bees will reap the majority.  The Information Bee will get chunks.  Worker bees will get crumbs if ANY.

Also, when can I come collect half your fresh kill dear, half the fishes you catch, and half your harvest?  You are a socialist democrat...so you should not be angry if I do so.  It's not stealing...it's your moral duty.
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: hmgROCK on January 30, 2019, 05:18:32 PM
HR, stick to the topic bro.  Trying to show you know more about the stock market than I do is a fallacy.  Attack my argument: workers wage is directionally proportionate to the risk they assume on the success/failure of the enterprise, and it is FAIR.  Owner bees will reap the majority.  The Information Bee will get chunks.  Worker bees will get crumbs if ANY.

Also, when can I come collect half your fresh kill dear, half the fishes you catch, and half your harvest?  You are a socialist democrat...so you should not be angry if I do so.  It's not stealing...it's your moral duty.

Yes
I understand what you are saying
What i am saying is these owners are not using their personal wealth
They are using others people money
So they assume zero risk
Because its not their money

Some might use/get rest from bank and investor

With 6 bankruptcy
You would think trump would be a cashier at Walmart

Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: theking on January 30, 2019, 09:32:11 PM
You invest in the stock market and you don't understand the simple transaction for the underlying asset value of a stock?  LOL... 

 ;D ;D ;D

Add that to the list too .... ;D:

1. lacks basic decimal skills
2. math is off
3. gives bad investment advice ...
.......
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: hmgROCK on January 30, 2019, 09:54:53 PM
HR, stick to the topic bro.  Trying to show you know more about the stock market than I do is a fallacy.  Attack my argument: workers wage is directionally proportionate to the risk they assume on the success/failure of the enterprise, and it is FAIR.  Owner bees will reap the majority.  The Information Bee will get chunks.  Worker bees will get crumbs if ANY.


wisemon,

im not questioning your intellectual. you seem like a really smart guy. but i think kinda of naive too.
one of my favorite clip from the 2016 GOP debate was when trump was telling us how he avoid zero risk losses
from all those fail companies that he did

he just file bankruptcy and everything get wipe out, get to keep his money
rinse and repeated
zero risk
and that people hate trump when other people are doing the same thing


here's the clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNORDy7M2k4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNORDy7M2k4)

Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: hmgROCK on January 30, 2019, 10:03:08 PM
;D ;D ;D

Add that to the list too .... ;D:

1. lacks basic decimal skills
2. math is off
3. gives bad investment advice ...
.......

what's your beef with me, man?
why you always coming in here with your lies
no wonder, you are a joke here on PH
and no one takes you seriously

i even caught you red handed lying about "not picking spain in the fifa"

(https://i.imgur.com/J9Lh1Xw.jpg)
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: hmgROCK on January 30, 2019, 10:04:20 PM
you know you can see the fences from google map, right????
look , i will even do it for your sorry ass


(https://i.imgur.com/teEoD72.jpg)
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: hmgROCK on January 30, 2019, 10:05:46 PM
and no...
we don't have smog

otherwise my beat up car will not pass
just look at that black exhausted

stop reading thing off the internet

PIC OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN
(https://i.imgur.com/GZELbOB.jpg)
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: hmgROCK on January 30, 2019, 10:06:55 PM
LOOK NO FENCES


(https://i.imgur.com/DuZl3VK.jpg)


(https://i.imgur.com/dRhaCQQ.jpg)
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: hmgROCK on January 30, 2019, 10:08:21 PM
RELAX
THERE'S PLENTY OF FOOD

JUST CUT OFF THAT BLACK SPOILAGE PART AND EAT THE REST


(https://i.imgur.com/A3E5Hi4.jpg)
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: theking on January 31, 2019, 12:52:31 AM
what's your beef with me, man?

No "beef", just pointing out frauds when I see them and you just happens to be one as you still have not take ownership of your wrongs and learn from it...

Quote
why you always coming in here with your lies

-A member did call you out for your poor lack of basic decimal skills
-A member did say that your math is off
-A member did call you out for given bad investment advice...

Therefore, the only "lies" is from you in regards to this..

Quote
no wonder, you are a joke here on PH
and no one takes you seriously

The "joke here on PH" is you as you claimed to be "the hmong Nostradamus and is always right" but  can't even match a single number during the last big Mega Millions drawing...

And you can cry about how we are "ganging up" on you all you want but you brought those epic failures upon yourself so that's why "no one takes you seriously"...

Quote
i even caught you red handed lying about "not picking spain in the fifa"

(https://i.imgur.com/J9Lh1Xw.jpg)

If you take that as "pick" then Reporter and I won because France is on that list too...

Not the loser team. "Uraguay" that the fraudulent hmong Nostradamus "pick"... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: theking on January 31, 2019, 12:58:31 AM
and no...
we don't have smog

See instead of taking ownership of your wrongs and learn from it, you continue your epic fail ways so when you cry about us "ganging up" on you, look in the mirror first...as you brought it upon yourself...

And yep, like in California where some areas require smog, some don't, it's the same for Wisconsin too...FACT!

And oh yeah, same applies for both states too when it comes to "fence"...
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: hmgROCK on January 31, 2019, 12:11:27 PM
dude scroll back up
i took pictures for you
i even try to spell "P" for pebhmong

what more proof do you need????

just google map it
since you love to google soo much


hahah
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: w1s3m0n on January 31, 2019, 12:58:30 PM
That's a poor example.  The reason why DJT has never filed for bankruptcy is because DJT asked people to invest and fund his corporate venture.  The corporate venture failed and filed for bankruptcy.  DJT and his investors invested money.  Poor people did not lose money.  DJT did not go bankrupt because he practiced smart money moves -- use other people's money to invest and split the reward with them.

When we examine your example, what we see is DJT doing exactly what I said.  His earning is proportional to the risk he takes in the success/failure of the enterprise.  If working Americans want more earning and income, then they must assume more risk to the success/failure of the enterprise.  Without sharing risk equally, there cannot be sharing income equally.

The left talks about income inequality but leaves out the equation of risk.  In financial risk management and portfolio theory, they call this metric value at risk.  It is precisely the VAR metric that certain people gain much more than others.  Those who assume the majority of the risk for the failure/success of an enterprise should receive the majority of the reward coming from the enterprise.  Those who contribute the most to the success of an enterprise, again, should receive reward proportion to their contribution.  The laborer simply does not take the risk of an owner/shareholder and does not contribute to the same level as the top brass to the success.  I will say this, principal and key technologist are the least rewarded individual in this equation.  This is why you see technologist capable of starting their own venture with venture capitalist when they've proven themselves in an existing model...  Think YOUTUBE here where the technologist converts himself to the top brass and reaps a significant reward.

Yes
I understand what you are saying
What i am saying is these owners are not using their personal wealth
They are using others people money
So they assume zero risk
Because its not their money

Some might use/get rest from bank and investor

With 6 bankruptcy
You would think trump would be a cashier at Walmart

Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: hmgROCK on January 31, 2019, 02:54:18 PM
That's a poor example.  The reason why DJT has never filed for bankruptcy is because DJT asked people to invest and fund his corporate venture.  The corporate venture failed and filed for bankruptcy.  DJT and his investors invested money.  Poor people did not lose money.  DJT did not go bankrupt because he practiced smart money moves -- use other people's money to invest and split the reward with them.

When we examine your example, what we see is DJT doing exactly what I said.  His earning is proportional to the risk he takes in the success/failure of the enterprise.  If working Americans want more earning and income, then they must assume more risk to the success/failure of the enterprise.  Without sharing risk equally, there cannot be sharing income equally.

The left talks about income inequality but leaves out the equation of risk.  In financial risk management and portfolio theory, they call this metric value at risk.  It is precisely the VAR metric that certain people gain much more than others.  Those who assume the majority of the risk for the failure/success of an enterprise should receive the majority of the reward coming from the enterprise.  Those who contribute the most to the success of an enterprise, again, should receive reward proportion to their contribution.  The laborer simply does not take the risk of an owner/shareholder and does not contribute to the same level as the top brass to the success.  I will say this, principal and key technologist are the least rewarded individual in this equation.  This is why you see technologist capable of starting their own venture with venture capitalist when they've proven themselves in an existing model...  Think YOUTUBE here where the technologist converts himself to the top brass and reaps a significant reward.

i disagree with you on the risk part
after the 2008 crashes,
those CEO and top brass got tons of money and bonus
their risk was near zero, they actually profited
it is really written and public knowledge
for crushing the market


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/16b-of-bank-bailout-went-to-execs/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/16b-of-bank-bailout-went-to-execs/)
Banks that are getting taxpayer bailouts awarded their top executives nearly $1.6 billion in salaries, bonuses, and other benefits last year, an Associated Press analysis reveals.

The rewards came even at banks where poor results last year foretold the economic crisis that sent them to Washington for a government rescue. Some trimmed their executive compensation due to lagging bank performance, but still forked over multimillion-dollar executive pay packages
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: w1s3m0n on January 31, 2019, 04:42:47 PM
HR,

I empathize with what you are saying.  Everyone lost money during the deep recession.  My portfolio got crushed but that was temporary.  It wasn't fair too that the executives who are 1% were getting bonuses while the 99% were struggling with food and shelter.  It was a very sad time.  It should never have happened.  The person to blame is Bill Clinton who signed into law the deregulation of banks and globalization of jobs.  This policy generated a massive amount of profit in the short term paid by the long term cost of all taxpayers.  What's important to understand is these type of black swan events are extremely rare and if people start to practice resilient engineering and system thinking in the practice of policymaking, we may be able to avoid these events in the future.

In my opinion, the greatest problem is not income inequality it was the redistribution of wealth from the middle-class to the 1% and the lower 15%.  You are upset because you are in the middle-class like I am.  You felt the 30% loss in income, while the lowest 15% received more government benefit, and the 1% captured 70% of the market profits.  Why is that?  First and foremost, the federal reserve policy on Zero-Interest-Rate Policy (ZIRP) is the direct cause.  This was a poison pill the nation took in order to encourage the stimulation of the market.  The alternative could have been to let the market fall to the ground but what we learned from the great depression is not doing anything and letting the crisis become an existential threat to America safety is pure madness.  The second thing is Obama created these freebie policies to calm the mob without considering the long term cost.  Affordable Care Act is not affordable.

Now if we examine Pew Research, we'll see that 74% of the US tax revenue comes from 1%.  So the bailout was 74% paid by the 1%.  It's really just funny money moving in circles until something even worst happen.  This is why I don't have a long term belief in the stock market but I do have a short term belief in the stock market.  Hence, this is why I advocate for active investing by knowing what you invest in and not passive investing by throwing your money into ETF and SPY.  I am also an advocator for employee owned enterprises because you share the risk and the reward.


i disagree with you on the risk part
after the 2008 crashes,
those CEO and top brass got tons of money and bonus
their risk was near zero, they actually profited
it is really written and public knowledge
for crushing the market


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/16b-of-bank-bailout-went-to-execs/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/16b-of-bank-bailout-went-to-execs/)
Banks that are getting taxpayer bailouts awarded their top executives nearly $1.6 billion in salaries, bonuses, and other benefits last year, an Associated Press analysis reveals.

The rewards came even at banks where poor results last year foretold the economic crisis that sent them to Washington for a government rescue. Some trimmed their executive compensation due to lagging bank performance, but still forked over multimillion-dollar executive pay packages

Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: theking on January 31, 2019, 06:02:59 PM
dude scroll back up
i took pictures for you
i even try to spell "P" for pebhmong

what more proof do you need????

just google map it
since you love to google soo much


hahah

So your picture of one area is suppose to reflect all of Wisconsin??  ??? :idiot2:

I and other members have already proved you wrong that like in California...s ome homes have fences and some don't just like some areas have smog check, some don't...simple common sense facts...but yeah, I know you don't do facts... ;D
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: Believe_N_Me on February 14, 2019, 01:16:53 AM
hmgRock is showing his UGLY ENVY.

Just work for your damn self, loser.

Stop worrying about how others are making their money and just make sure you don't end up living in a cardboard box under the bridge. 

Just because you broke don't give you license to hate rich people.
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: Believe_N_Me on February 14, 2019, 01:19:02 AM
HR,

I empathize with what you are saying.  Everyone lost money during the deep recession.  My portfolio got crushed but that was temporary.  It wasn't fair too that the executives who are 1% were getting bonuses while the 99% were struggling with food and shelter.  It was a very sad time.  It should never have happened.  The person to blame is Bill Clinton who signed into law the deregulation of banks and globalization of jobs.  This policy generated a massive amount of profit in the short term paid by the long term cost of all taxpayers.  What's important to understand is these type of black swan events are extremely rare and if people start to practice resilient engineering and system thinking in the practice of policymaking, we may be able to avoid these events in the future.

In my opinion, the greatest problem is not income inequality it was the redistribution of wealth from the middle-class to the 1% and the lower 15%.  You are upset because you are in the middle-class like I am.  You felt the 30% loss in income, while the lowest 15% received more government benefit, and the 1% captured 70% of the market profits.  Why is that?  First and foremost, the federal reserve policy on Zero-Interest-Rate Policy (ZIRP) is the direct cause.  This was a poison pill the nation took in order to encourage the stimulation of the market.  The alternative could have been to let the market fall to the ground but what we learned from the great depression is not doing anything and letting the crisis become an existential threat to America safety is pure madness.  The second thing is Obama created these freebie policies to calm the mob without considering the long term cost.  Affordable Care Act is not affordable.

Now if we examine Pew Research, we'll see that 74% of the US tax revenue comes from 1%.  So the bailout was 74% paid by the 1%.  It's really just funny money moving in circles until something even worst happen.  This is why I don't have a long term belief in the stock market but I do have a short term belief in the stock market.  Hence, this is why I advocate for active investing by knowing what you invest in and not passive investing by throwing your money into ETF and SPY.  I am also an advocator for employee owned enterprises because you share the risk and the reward.

DING DING DING DING DING!

The two are cut from the same cloth. They just have different wallet sizes.

Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: Believe_N_Me on February 14, 2019, 01:21:15 AM
I have lived long enough amongst the poorest of poor to know that some of them are just as s.hitty a person as some of the greediest, selfish, affluent people.
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: Believe_N_Me on February 14, 2019, 01:28:22 AM
RU saying that little Ryan kid doesn't deserve the millions he made from being a Youtube star?

Should Beyonce split her profits with her fans?

Stop being such a communist and let people earn what others are willing to pay them.
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: dogmai on February 15, 2019, 01:16:52 AM
Yes
I understand what you are saying
What i am saying is these owners are not using their personal wealth
They are using others people money
So they assume zero risk
Because its not their money

Some might use/get rest from bank and investor

With 6 bankruptcy
You would think trump would be a cashier at Walmart

You're wrong, Donald Trump never filed for bankruptcy. That's why he doesn't need to work for walmart.

Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: Wi_sweetguy on March 07, 2019, 03:24:04 PM
If you make more than 150 K or maybe 250 K within the years,whatever you make after that doesn't get tax... imagine that... 
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: Believe_N_Me on April 18, 2019, 05:53:52 AM
If you make more than 150 K or maybe 250 K within the years,whatever you make after that doesn't get tax... imagine that...

That's great for the people who are ambitious enough to know how to make that kind of living.

Too bad Demonrats don't believe in self-made millionaires when there are hundreds of them. Some folks made their wealth through blue collar type work - creating heating and air conditioning units, laying foundation (literally brick layering) company, etc.

Some of the richest people did not make their money from sitting behind a desk.
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: hmgROCK on April 18, 2019, 08:33:21 AM
gotta stop overpaying people, man

i see CEO, management, higher up,
getting millions of $$$

FOR GETTING FIRED.....


 :idiot2: :idiot2: :idiot2:


THAT MAKES ZERO SENSE
YOU GET MILLIONS OF DOLLARS $$$$
FOR GETTING FIRED


Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: w1s3m0n on May 02, 2019, 08:06:14 PM
The whole CEO firing stuff is all pop culture demonizing CEOs.  Pop culture people like you have no authority to comment about CEO because you have ZERO experience in judging or gaging in this arena.  CEOs are fire not because of poor performance but because the board wanted someone new.

gotta stop overpaying people, man

i see CEO, management, higher up,
getting millions of $$$

FOR GETTING FIRED.....


 :idiot2: :idiot2: :idiot2:


THAT MAKES ZERO SENSE
YOU GET MILLIONS OF DOLLARS $$$$
FOR GETTING FIRED
Title: Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
Post by: hmgROCK on May 10, 2019, 08:19:33 AM
The whole CEO firing stuff is all pop culture demonizing CEOs.  Pop culture people like you have no authority to comment about CEO because you have ZERO experience in judging or gaging in this arena.  CEOs are fire not because of poor performance but because the board wanted someone new.

stop overpaying the CEO and upper management
sooo easy man

use that money to pay everyone FAIR