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Title: Adam and Eve?
Post by: TheAfterLife on January 01, 2020, 08:19:44 PM
Did Adam and Eve have a belly button? The probability is high and my answer is no. They don't have a belly button. What's the use of it?
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: Visualmon on January 02, 2020, 03:33:18 AM
From the doctors and nurses' perspective, the belly button on infants indicate where the cord disconnect from their biological mother's womb. The purpose of the cord is to transfer nutrition from mother to infants during pregnancy. No duh!  ;D You think that both Adam and Eve don't have belly button during first creation. I think they do have it. It helps carry out genetic DNA code to their future offspring. If Adam and Eve don't have it then the offspring and their descendant wouldn't have it either. That doesn't makes logical sense. Gosh!  ::) This sort of reminds me of "chicken or egg comes first" analogy test.
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: DuMa on January 02, 2020, 01:33:31 PM
This question is good for a critical thinking debate.  You can tackle it from many stances.  Let me try to share a few without going too deep. 

1.  Theology -  The bible did say that he created man in his own image so adam should not have a belly botton if god does not have a belly botton.  Now if god has a belly button, it means that he has a creator and this would defeats his alpha, omega stance.  Now imagine this, adam and eve not having a belly button and their kids and grandkids be questioning them to why they look like alien without a belly button, this would be fun for them in trying to answer this.  What if god already knows and because adam and eve will bear child since he did told them to go forth and multiply, god will give them a belly button anyway.  Maybe a false one so they may look like their offspring.  How about the stance that they were made perfect but after the fall, it is only then that they have a sense of awareness like right and wrong, belly button or not, vagina penis so if it altered their eyes so they can now see, their belly button also magically grew? 

maybe god has no belly button and to enter heaven, you have no belly button cuz you don't need it in heaven.  A belly button is a testimony that you came from man and through men after the fall from adam will also result in the sins of the father so all that are born thereafter inherited this sin thus why you see them Christians be baptizing to ward off this sin.  Jesus Christ was baptized too so therefore, he too has a belly button, he came from his mom, Mary. 

Perhaps adam and eve do have belly button if we deduce that they were not the first humans that the bible speaks off.  There were more people roaming the earth but adam and eve were selected to tell a story?  If they were the first 2 and their first born was cain, who did cain marry? 
Unless he has relations with his mom or have relations with a monkey? 

2.  Darwin and the theory of evolution - If monkey have belly button and man came from monkey therefore, adam and eve have belly button. 

3.  ART - Well a good way to see the bible is through art.  Artists drew adam and eve without belly button for a reason.  They tend to hide it with a leaf that is so big that it covers their genitals and the belly button as well.  The real deal is that no one knows what adam and eve really looks like so artist's rendition is up to his own imagination.  Plus many Christians are illiterate and poor so the bible is taught to them by pictorial visual that speaks a 1000s words.  It may not be accurate though.  You know that statue of david with the penis hanging out and all, well his pisser is one good looking uncircumcised pisser but get this, david is a jew so jewish custom should be circumcise right? 

I can go on and on with other aspects but the new year is here and the new me don't want to waste my time in trying to educate the few.   Thanks for reading my junk by the way. 




 
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: dogmai on January 06, 2020, 02:10:54 AM
From the doctors and nurses' perspective, the belly button on infants indicate where the cord disconnect from their biological mother's womb. The purpose of the cord is to transfer nutrition from mother to infants during pregnancy. No duh!  ;D You think that both Adam and Eve don't have belly button during first creation. I think they do have it. It helps carry out genetic DNA code to their future offspring. If Adam and Eve don't have it then the offspring and their descendant wouldn't have it either. That doesn't makes logical sense. Gosh!  ::) This sort of reminds me of "chicken or egg comes first" analogy test.
Agreed. This is the problem with religion, its doctrine part of it. A religious person may be rational, but when things contradict with their doctrine that they were raised up with, logic and rationality is kicked to the curb.

The chicken came first.
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: dogmai on January 06, 2020, 02:16:11 AM
2.  Darwin and the theory of evolution - If monkey have belly button and man came from monkey therefore, adam and eve have belly button. 
Without thinking critically about that statement, I can say that the statement is wrong.
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: DuMa on January 06, 2020, 01:35:06 PM
Without thinking critically about that statement, I can say that the statement is wrong.

Without typing too much, thank you for thinking like aChristian.   :2funny:.
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: DuMa on January 07, 2020, 11:26:39 PM
Were they born or made? If made, what's the use for a belly button? We are born; they are made. The possibility of your logic doesn't make any sense. Why need it? What does it do to your body as a function? I know hearts, livers, lungs, and many other organs are important; however, a belly button doesn't do anything after birth. IF Adam was born, then who is his mother? If Adam has no mom, then Adam was made; therefore, Adam doesn't have a belly button because made beings doesn't need one.

Can god just made it without a reason?  Why would god wants to make man in his own image?  Why not just draw him like a stick figure but can reproduce? 

If god is an artist and he's drawing, would you think he would draw basing upon his imagination or shall he put everything there and call it perfect, complete? 

If god create men without all the right parts as being there then god too is incomplete.  He loved us so he gave us everything, even the choice to say eff god and become the devil.  He did not banish the devil.  The devil is his creation too. 

Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: Visualmon on January 12, 2020, 06:38:26 AM
Agreed. This is the problem with religion, its doctrine part of it. A religious person may be rational, but when things contradict with their doctrine that they were raised up with, logic and rationality is kicked to the curb.

The chicken came first.

Yes, I noticed. They do contradict their religious beliefs.

E.g. here's a clip of religious nuts aka flat earther versus team of NASA aka global earther. https://youtu.be/Q7yvvq-9ytE (https://youtu.be/Q7yvvq-9ytE)
Most of the time, religious people don't really practice what they preach about. The chubby guy in cyan shirt (flat earther), "Don't believe everything in the media as newspaper or the news" while the water guy in the black vet (flat earther) preached, "blah blah blah blah... we get our source from the internet... amazing community of flat earther join in to discuss and oppose idealology of science"  Til the end of the video, the chubby guy in cyan said, "just don't believe everything I said"
The contradictions are in red bold color.
 
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: Visualmon on January 12, 2020, 06:47:00 AM
Were they born or made? If made, what's the use for a belly button? We are born; they are made. The possibility of your logic doesn't make any sense. Why need it? What does it do to your body as a function? I know hearts, livers, lungs, and many other organs are important; however, a belly button doesn't do anything after birth. IF Adam was born, then who is his mother? If Adam has no mom, then Adam was made; therefore, Adam doesn't have a belly button because made beings doesn't need one.

If you are 100% Christian as you claimed you should discover the meaning of having belly button from Jesus himself manifesting in front of you right now instead of doubting my medical knowledge in human psychology and anatomy.   ;) ;D
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: DuMa on January 14, 2020, 07:24:00 PM
Every art has a purpose and meaning to it. A belly button does not since there is no use for it. Lungs has a meaning and a purpose since its function is used for breathing. Does a belly button has a function?

ask god what is the purpose of a dimple? 
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: DuMa on January 18, 2020, 05:51:59 PM
Dimples are for beauty attract the opposite sex. Pheromones from men or women is to attract one another. A belly button, what does that do? It doesn't attract anything. We children of Adam have the belly button; however, the first man and first woman don't have it because they aren't born. They were made by God's hand from dirt. There's no tube to feed us, right?

correction.  Dimples are a freak of nature, a genetic defect.  It is only accepted as a beauty because the world has already set it as it.  It has no purpose to some people in other countries because their beauty rankings do not classify it as a beauty item, like that mole on cindy crawford's face. 

https://www.babycenter.com/609_did-you-know-dimples-are-a-genetic-defect_20001384.bc (https://www.babycenter.com/609_did-you-know-dimples-are-a-genetic-defect_20001384.bc)

Not all belly buttons are the same thus why you can say that to some people, belly button is a clever thing of a beauty.  You need to take a shot off a hot girl's belly button.  Nasty germ infested but whatever clever.   :2funny:
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: DuMa on January 20, 2020, 03:58:41 PM
But you have no logical estimation evidence to prove that Adam and Eve has a belly button. The chances of no belly button is higher than having one. What's the use? My answer is, "NONE!" It's not even beauty; it serves no purpose. Anybody who is after Adam has a belly button; however, Adam and Eve, they don't have it by any chances.

Just because the bible doesn't say meaning that they do not have it. 

All you got are speculation but even with that can be wrong. 

pop quiz.  Does your dog or cat have a belly button?  They are mammals like we are. 
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: DuMa on January 20, 2020, 06:21:56 PM
How does that relate to humans? I am just talking about humans. Let's stick to that, shall we? They aren't us; they are of what they are and I don't care about them because they are not US!

I have a better chance of winning this because the chances of no belly button is a lot higher than having one. Made vs. Born is different, mon ami.

There was the first dog or a first cat too.  Were they made like adam or were they came from a butthole like most of us?   :2funny:

Now proof this.  God did say he made men in his own image and say that it was perfect.  Does god also have no belly button or do you and I are not made in god's image?  You calling your god a liar?   Win this   :2funny:
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: DuMa on January 20, 2020, 06:28:36 PM
You want more, I can give you more....

Does adam has a nipple?  Why he got nipple that is useless.  We all know that it was the woman who can breast feed her children. 

If you are going to create something, you create it so it has everything.   What you think their children and grandchildren would say when they find out that their grandparents got no belly button? 

If god create, he gave them everything equal.  Belly button and all.  With the power of god, why is it not possible for them to have belly button so that they can have all the dna in them to pass onto children of their own with belly button? 
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: DuMa on January 20, 2020, 07:13:19 PM
I can also help you proof that they did not have a belly button. 

When god create adam and eve, were they created before or after the fall?  It was before.  So here's the trivia.  If god knows that they will fall by eating from the forbidden tree, he will have made them with belly button so that they can have children with belly button.  It is a fact that god made them perfect as is, no failing, no falling so therefore, god made them without a belly button because god can not see that they would yield to fall. 

It is only after the fall that he tells them to go forth and multiply.  Maybe after the fall is when a belly button starting to grow on them just like the fall gave them knowledge of good and evil and you must bear child that will cause you pain. 

Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: DuMa on January 23, 2020, 02:35:40 AM
When said "Image," it doesn't mean the physical flesh form. It means that we have his personality image, His ways, and the way He is. God is not man or a human being in that bold of yours, OOOOH!  :o

I never once said God was a liar.

I cast a spell to counter your question.

you still read the bible wrong.  Genesis have it that god created everything in 6 days.  It is not really 6 days literally therefore, this whole creation story is not to be seen as is.  It is just a story to to tell the story of man and his creation, which then has a start.  The bible also did not say that adam has a pisser either so does he have a diick or lack one? 

Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: DuMa on January 23, 2020, 02:36:23 AM
As I quote:

"Actually, male nipples still serve a purpose as an erogenous zone. Just like female nipples, they're sensitive to touch and can come in handy for erotic stimulation. Hello, nipple orgasms! One study found that nipple stimulation enhanced sexual arousal in 52 percent of men."

HMMMMM!?!?!?!?!  :o :o :o :o OOOOHHH! Shut down! KILLING SPREE! KILLJOY!


https://memecrunch.com/meme/5BSXB/he-man-cum

Tell me a time when a male mammal breast feed their kids with their own nipple

Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: DuMa on January 23, 2020, 02:37:41 AM

 :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:

I WIN! LMAO! HAHAHAHA!

 :laughing7: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing8:

You can only win if you can see it from both sides like I did. 

Otherwise, you will be clouded by your one dimensional bias which prevents you from seeing it like an atheist. 
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: DuMa on January 27, 2020, 02:57:08 AM
What does male thingy has to do with the belly button?

Did god create adam with a pisser?  Why create a pisser when there was no need to sex to create children when they were in the garden? 

Think it through

Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: DuMa on January 27, 2020, 02:58:11 AM
But what's the use of a belly button on the first man and woman?

decoration

What is the purpose of having hair?   You don't die from being bald either. 

Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: DuMa on January 27, 2020, 05:15:23 PM
A penis is useful to create people with a woman on the side. Done! Does a belly button create something? I don't see anything. Did Adam was created in some test tube, or was he created by God, the all powerful being? If he was created, why put Adam in a test tube?

So the two couple have sex without fluids being exchange while in the garden?  God did made them with a pisser right?  Or maybe not cuz no point in creating children before the fall. 
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: DuMa on January 27, 2020, 05:36:17 PM
Bruh, gender was born. You know I have to pull a red herring on this because a penis and a belly button aren't the same. Belly button doesn't squeeze out sperm, okay? Men feels that good tingle as we drop our "London Bridge" as we open her legs like the "Sea of Moses." Then we finish her to complete our task as a man.

For a belly button, no. I don't think there's any reason for what it does. I think it's a waste of space for Adam except for his descendants. I don't think our "grand-uber-duper-super" papa doesn't have it at all by its possibility of a the higher chance that he don't have one.

You missing the point. 

What I'm trying to illustrate is that neither a pisser or a belly button is being told in the bible.  Your interpretation is just as good as anybody else.  While you still wondering if adam has a belly button or not, it is still irrelevant to the whole creation story. 

If the bible don't say, you can't just fill in the blank blindly.  What other scripture says about him not having a belly button?  Good luck with that. 
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: dogmai on January 31, 2020, 11:51:48 AM
Without typing too much, thank you for thinking like aChristian.   :2funny:.

Actually, a lot of Christians do think that what you said is true. What you said in bold. Which it is wrong.

2.  Darwin and the theory of evolution - If monkey have belly button and man came from monkey therefore, adam and eve have belly button. 
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: Reporter on February 04, 2020, 05:34:36 PM
They are depicted to have belly buttons.

"Hi, Mam. I'm Adam," he would say.


(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Rubens_Painting_Adam_Eve.jpg/1200px-Rubens_Painting_Adam_Eve.jpg)
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: Reporter on February 04, 2020, 05:39:20 PM
(https://imagenes.museothyssen.org/sites/default/files/styles/width_600/public/imagen/obras/1930.26_adan-eva.jpg)
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: Reporter on February 04, 2020, 05:42:08 PM
I think the Heaven's angels have belly buttons, too, so when God created an image of those angels or Himself, he made sure that button didn't go away.
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: Visualmon on February 09, 2020, 05:07:00 AM
on what basis?

Dude, they're for the mother to transfer nutrition to her offspring during 9 months pregnancy. Duh!

Have you forgotten the time when God curse Eve with child bearing after she ate the forbidden apple?

Genesis 3:16
"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: Reporter on February 09, 2020, 10:43:58 PM
Why must you ask a question to which you already know the answer?

Have you forgotten that the Bible is all just believing and no science?

on what basis?
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: Reporter on February 09, 2020, 10:48:36 PM
Babies aren't just created; they are conceived. So, yes, in Heavens or on Earth, they'd need a tube to transfer nutrition to them.

Dude, they're for the mother to transfer nutrition to her offspring during 9 months pregnancy. Duh!

Have you forgotten the time when God curse Eve with child bearing after she ate the forbidden apple?

Genesis 3:16
"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: Visualmon on February 15, 2020, 12:40:25 AM
That's after, not before. I was talking about BEFORE! I think we are not in the same page.

That's becuz your logic doesn't make sense even I tried to comprehend.

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Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: Visualmon on March 18, 2020, 03:50:13 PM
I don't think we are on the same page. You bring up pee pee, but we are made with it. Belly button, you enforce it that it's real on Adam to which it doesn't. The probability of having one is ZERO! You can gamble for this, but my statement has a better probability to point out that it's going to be more truer than having one.

Adam and Eve don't have a belly button. They were not born; they were made. We were born from them, which explains WHY we have them. If you debate this with a scholar, they will agree with me a lot more because my logic is pretty plain simple to understand that the chances of a belly button on these two great-grandparents don't have one. Eve has boobs and a vagina to procreate as we are the seeds to plant her. God did say, "Let humanity be fruitful." Did He not?

Let me remind you that phrase, "let humanity be fruitful", literally means be serving others gracefully.  ;D ;D

Did your yolkism ever mentioned the passage about "multiplying as duplicating" from Eve? I'm sure your NIV book do have it but your mind interpret something else entirely.  :-\
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: dogmai on April 02, 2020, 09:20:57 AM
I don't think we are on the same page. You bring up pee pee, but we are made with it. Belly button, you enforce it that it's real on Adam to which it doesn't. The probability of having one is ZERO! You can gamble for this, but my statement has a better probability to point out that it's going to be more truer than having one.
What's your probability in which you based of from? Based off of Adam and Eve, then the probability of them having belly button high. The probability that the offspring having the same body parts as the parents are high.

Adam and Eve don't have a belly button. They were not born; they were made. We were born from them, which explains WHY we have them. If you debate this with a scholar, they will agree with me a lot more because my logic is pretty plain simple to understand that the chances of a belly button on these two great-grandparents don't have one. Eve has boobs and a vagina to procreate as we are the seeds to plant her.
Being made instead of being born has no bearing on having or not having a belly button. And that's flaw in your logic.

God did say, "Let humanity be fruitful." Did He not?

And that answers the question. "Let humanity be fruitful," so in other words, "Let humans produce more humans." Humans have bellybuttons, unless if they're born with a deformity. Adam and Eve are humans, therefore must also have it in order for them to be called humans, unless if they were deformed, otherwise the first human would be Cain and not Adam and Eve. So there you have it, even your god agrees that they had a bellybutton. So unless you believe that Adam and Eve were made with imperfections, there's no logical reason for them not to have a bellybutton.
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: dogmai on April 03, 2020, 11:24:37 AM
Were they made in a test tube or were they made out of mud? God has never put anybody in a tube that wired them. A belly button, like I said before, requires birth. Adam was not born; Adam was made; therefore, Adam had never gotten a belly button. Made things don't have a belly button.

An assertion without evidence to support the claim is nothing but a bald assertion.

So what you are saying is that your god cannot create two humans with belly button? This where your reasoning is flawed. Birth into this world is required for a human to exist. And yet, you claim that Adam and Eve wasn't born, they were made. So if they were made with having two arms, two legs, and each with different sex organs, then it is also possible for them to be made with a bellybutton.
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: dogmai on April 03, 2020, 11:32:02 AM
Describe to me how a baby is born? Do they have a belly button? Why yes! What about Adam? Was he born? It's self-evident of the probability for Adam to have a belly button is zero chances. Adam wasn't born; Adam was made. Where in the bible verse that said literally Adam was born? Because I can prove to you in literal words from the verse that he was made by God.

Describe to me how Adam and Eve was created without having a belly button. If your argument can be use to argue against your own argument, then it fails to be a valid and sound logical argument.

Show me the verse where it says "god created Adam without a bellybutton." There is no such verse, therefore the probability is very low, next to zero. The probability for having a belly button is high because us humans without birth defects have it. We also have two arms and two legs.
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: dogmai on April 03, 2020, 09:10:02 PM
Where on EARTH did deformity came into play? Now your adding pseudoscience with this, which is not bible correlated.
Because it shows that all normal and healty humans have a bellybutton, the rare occasion when it is absent, is in a baby being born with deformity. And it is your claim that bellybutton must come from being born. And I showed you that you are wrong.

Since you brought up pseudoscience, let's compare and see who is the one that's actually doing pseudoscience. First, the difference. Science consists of a hypothesis with evidence to support it by doing research and experiments. The objective of science is an attempt to demonstrate that what is being claim is true by providing evidence to support that claim.

Now as for pseudoscience, a hypothesis is presented, followed by information that are thrown out as being evidence, when it is not. Those so called "evidence" are actually opposing information about an entirely different hypothesis and/or idea that is usually in opposition to the one presented by the pseudoscientis t.

So, you made an argument with no scientific evidence to support it. You gave reason that they were created and not born because a bellybutton comes from being born. I made the counter argument that they had one because humans have it, except those born with deformities. I used evolution to support my argument, as being a human one inherit the genetic traits of their parents. I disputed your argument while providing evidence to support why it's true. You, on the other hand, are disputing some other idea while ignoring mine and have nothing to show why your initial argument is true. You are practicing pseudoscience by trying to debunk something then with no evidence at all, claim that your argument is true.


Adam was made, not born. Cain and Abel had a belly button; however, their parents did not! You're playing with your words without any logical chances of evidence to point out that they have a belly button. My chances are much higher for someone who is not born but made. You're confusing the difference between born vs. made. Made things don't have a belly button. It's useless and provide nothing for Adam and Eve alone. For their children, may be because it requires food, blood, and fuel of air for them to breathe.
Wrong again. Here you are doing the opposite of what you claim to be, which is,  a philosopher that knows how to think. If you would have read what I said, you would realize that your argument about being born does not help you at all. It's actually irrelevant to my point. This scenario is about Adam and Eve, that's why I was arguing that god created them with a bellybutton, therefore passing that down to their offsprings. I supported it with scientific evidence. This is why my other point is having something to compare with to conclude a probably rate. Which it shows why having a belly button has high probability and not having one is low if not zero.

Adam is a perfect man and a perfect man does not need a belly button. Again, I don't see how your logic is standing because it doesn't make any sense. Made things don't need a belly button--PERIOD!

I'm still waiting for your evidence to support that claim. But I also had in mind the idea that Adam was a perfect being. That's why I brought up the deformity. So god created Adam as the perfect man having a belly button and told him to be fruitful. And being fruitful means having offsprings, hence giving birth. Adam would not have been perfect if his offsprings were not also perfect. And being perfect, therefore does not require further adjustments.

But I know what you're thinking. After original sin and the fall of man, Adam and Eve and/or humans are no longer perfect. I had that in mind as well. They are no longer perfect, that's why one of the imperfections came in the form of birth deformities for the baby, not having a belly button.

And that's critical thinking and logical reasoning for you. Don't kick yourself too much for coming up an illogical argument, nobody is perfect. Open, listen, learn and move on.  Just stay away from pseudoscience, it's one of the reasons  as to why someone have illogical reasoning.
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: theking on April 08, 2020, 01:38:47 PM
So the EPIC FAIL has been tucking and running all these months from her challenge..I mean NOT even a legit quote to prove her LIE and now she's crying about this.. ;D ;D ;D:

I'm still waiting for your evidence to support that claim.
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: dogmai on April 10, 2020, 08:49:26 PM
As empirically, we both don't have. As for logically, my chances are more since as an artist or painter, I don't buy shiet that are useless for my drawing.

Saying that you are an artist and painter doesn't make it logical. And a belly button is not useless. It's needed as a prerequisite for passing it down to their offsprings. Now, tell me, how many paint brushes, pencils, papers and erasers do you have? If not just one, then why do you need all those for?

Speaking of things not needed, what about wisdom teeth, the appendix, the tailbone, etc. And let's not forget, body hair. It's obvious that we can survive without body hair for warmth, so why do some humans have it and others don't?
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: dogmai on April 10, 2020, 09:46:38 PM
Well, my logic still stand while hers, I don't know much. Because I bet you understand me about "The Artist Format," where you only need what you need, not what you want, then she as herself (dogmai), don't have a good arguments for Adam and Eve. The chances of having a belly button is zero to none. Therefore, Adam and Eve don't have a belly button.

Hahaha.

That's what you consider as logic? No wonder you came to such an irrational conclusion. So far, between the two of us, I'm the only one who actually did give good arguments with rational reasoning for it. You on the other hand, has given your only one argument, "they were created." And your reasoning behind it? Because you need them to not have belly button so it can fulfill your want of them not having belly button. I've given scientific evidence to support my argument and rebutted your argument. In response, you just threw in fallacies or straight up ignored them.

And I'm still waiting on those bible verses that you claimed about.
Title: Re: Adam and Eve?
Post by: dogmai on April 10, 2020, 11:18:51 PM
I asked you for the word born in the verses. Where is born?

 I used your failed argument about them being created to show how easily it is to refute it. I said that they were created with a belly button. So just because you couldn't think of any counter arguments, you've decided to throw in a strawman. Where did ever say that Adam and Eve were born?

I couldn't make it; I said that He doesn't want to. It's useless. A belly button would require born. For Adam, it's useless. He can tend not to choose like how He chooses to ignore certain people's prayer because they are assssholes.
So since he wanted Adam and Eve to have a bellybutton so they can pass it down to their offsprings, he created them with a bellybutton. It's useless for Adam to have nipples since there's no need for him to breastfeed their babies, that part falls solely on Eve. So why was Adam created with such useless things? And he can choose too, just like how he choose to answer prayers from assssholes.

Do you have a belly button? If you do, then you are born, not made. Period! Every babies have a belly button. The percentage is high.
Correct, babies that are born have a bellybutton because they are the offsprings of parents who have one. Cain and Abel had one because they're the offsprings of parents who were created with one. So show us babies that are made that doesn't have a bellybutton.

So you believe that God created humans to have a belly button? For what use? I already told you why.Because as a artist like me who draws, there is no need. I draw things that are required, not wants and just to waste time. Do you buy things that doesn't benefit you? I don't.
No, you draw things that you want to draw. I buy things that things that benefit me. That is why I buy a lot of food and drinks whenever I go grocery shopping. I don't just buy the food and drinks that are needed in order to satisfy my hunger at that very moment. Those extra food benefit me later on.

Where's the bible verse that said he had it? We both don't have the empirical evidence for this, but to rely on philosophy. Again, as an artist or a painter, why buy things that doesn't benefit your art? For example, you bought dumbbells rather than paint. Why? What's the use for that for your drawing?
See, you want your strawman argument to benefit you, but it doesn't. Only evidence that are needed can and will benefit you. If you decide to do an oil paint of a scenery, you buy oil paint. You cannot just put acrylic paint on your palette and have it miraculously be oil paint whenever you want to.

And that's also why I presented my version of your argument back at you to show how irrational it is. And without that, you have nothing except for your baseless assertions.

As empirically, we both don't have. As for logically, my chances are more since as an artist or painter, I don't buy shiet that are useless for my drawing.


Nope. You used assertions as your reasoning and simply just continuously repeating the same things over, while ignoring the objections that are presented. You make  claims based on your ignorance of evolution, and by this, I'm referring to even just the most basic form of it. With no evidence to support your claims, they're nothing but bald assertions. And imagining philosophers that agree with you, is not evidence. I, on the other hand, used empirical evidence to support and explained my arguments. I addressed your points by showing why your arguments are illogical and explained those fallacies that you've made.

Probably your worst argument is your ridiculous take on the the probability you've came up with. News flash, one cannot come up with the probability if there is nothing to compare it with. I have humans to compare along with the reality in nature.

Before you can even start to claim that a useless thing is impossible, you first must demonstrate why that particular thing is useless.
I asked you for the word born in the verses. Where is born?

 I used your failed argument about them being created to show how easily it is to refute it. I said that they were created with a belly button. So just because you couldn't think of any counter arguments, you've decided to throw in a strawman. Where did ever say that Adam and Eve were born?

I couldn't make it; I said that He doesn't want to. It's useless. A belly button would require born. For Adam, it's useless. He can tend not to choose like how He chooses to ignore certain people's prayer because they are assssholes.
So since he wanted Adam and Eve to have a bellybutton so they can pass it down to their offsprings, he created them with a bellybutton. It's useless for Adam to have nipples since there's no need for him to breastfeed their babies, that part falls solely on Eve. So why was Adam created with such useless things? And he can choose too, just like how he choose to answer prayers from assssholes.

Do you have a belly button? If you do, then you are born, not made. Period! Every babies have a belly button. The percentage is high.
Correct, babies that are born have a bellybutton because they are the offsprings of parents who have one. Cain and Abel had one because they're the offsprings of parents who were created with one. So show us babies that are made that doesn't have a bellybutton.

So you believe that God created humans to have a belly button? For what use? I already told you why.Because as a artist like me who draws, there is no need. I draw things that are required, not wants and just to waste time. Do you buy things that doesn't benefit you? I don't.
No, you draw things that you want to draw. I buy things that things that benefit me. That is why I buy a lot of food and drinks whenever I go grocery shopping. I don't just buy the food and drinks that are needed in order to satisfy my hunger at that very moment. Those extra food benefit me later on.

Where's the bible verse that said he had it? We both don't have the empirical evidence for this, but to rely on philosophy. Again, as an artist or a painter, why buy things that doesn't benefit your art? For example, you bought dumbbells rather than paint. Why? What's the use for that for your drawing?
See, you want your strawman argument to benefit you, but it doesn't. Only evidence that are needed can and will benefit you. If you decide to do an oil paint of a scenery, you buy oil paint. You cannot just put acrylic paint on your palette and have it miraculously be oil paint whenever you want to.

As empirically, we both don't have. As for logically, my chances are more since as an artist or painter, I don't buy shiet that are useless for my drawing.


Nope. You used assertions as your reasoning and simply just continuously repeating the same things over, while ignoring the objections that are presented. You make  claims based on your ignorance of evolution, and by this, I'm referring to even just the most basic form of it. With no evidence to support your claims, they're nothing but bald assertions. And imagining philosophers that agree with you, is not evidence. I, on the other hand, used empirical evidence to support and explained my arguments. I addressed your points by showing why your arguments are illogical and explained those fallacies that you've made.

Probably your worst argument is your ridiculous take on the the probability you've came up with. News flash, one cannot come up with the probability if there is nothing to compare it with. I have humans to compare along with the reality in nature.

Before you can even start arguing that a useless thing is impossible, you must show why that particular thing is, in fact, useless. If you can do that, you can then argue as to why it is impossible for a useless thing to not exist. If you cannot demonstrate this, your argument falls to being nothing but your own opinion.