Many of you grew up experiencing Hmong shamanism~ The hmong culture revolves around shamanism; the spiritual world of our ancestors and the dead. This religion carries a deep root that has been practices for centuries.
But there is a problem with this religion! Especially if you're living in America. One major problem with Hmong shamanism is that it doesn't teach people morals. Hmong shamanism is a form of communication with the spiritual world. If a person doesn't believe in spirituality - Hmong religion is just one big joke!
But lets dissect the religion into 3 catagories.
1) Does this religion engage people's morality and humanity? No
2) Does this religion help give people enlightment and salvation? No
3) Does this religion create fear and caution? Yes
Why are you afraid when an elder says "your spirit has left your body." This fear and panic creates even more stress- and could cause you to become more sick. The "fear" tatic.
Why doesn't Hmong Shamanism teach morality and good judgement~ If it did; the hmong culture would be very different. Certain religion teaches "right from wrong" but Hmong shamanism lacks those teachings. Shamanism teaches fear and prevention. It doesn't teach moral values that can build a person to have good judgement.
If a person lacks good judgement; there will be violence and destruction~ We see this in many Hmong families.
Religion is suppose to build a foundation for the people/family/community. If a religion is only used as a "fear" tactic and a tool for healing. There is no value~ in it. The truth; spiritual healing is does not work~ it's a form of mental healing.
If you raise your children around Shamanism; make sure to teach them good values and behaviors. Many hmong parents forget to teach moral values to their children~ this always leads to abuse and violence in the future.
(http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/12/11/43/2660581/4/628x471.jpg)
Many of you grew up experiencing Hmong shamanism~ The hmong culture revolves around shamanism; the spiritual world of our ancestors and the dead. This religion carries a deep root that has been practices for centuries.
But there is a problem with this religion! Especially if you're living in America. One major problem with Hmong shamanism is that it doesn't teach people morals. Hmong shamanism is a form of communication with the spiritual world. If a person doesn't believe in spirituality - Hmong religion is just one big joke!
But lets dissect the religion into 3 catagories.
1) Does this religion engage people's morality and humanity? No
2) Does this religion help give people enlightment and salvation? No (salvation=yes... you can be saved by sacrificing to the spirit world)
3) Does this religion create fear and caution? Yes
Why are you afraid when an elder says "your spirit has left your body." This fear and panic creates even more stress- and could cause you to become more sick. The "fear" tatic.
Why doesn't Hmong Shamanism teach morality and good judgement~ If it did; the hmong culture would be very different. Certain religion teaches "right from wrong" but Hmong shamanism lacks those teachings. Shamanism teaches fear and prevention. It doesn't teach moral values that can build a person to have good judgement.
If a person lacks good judgement; there will be violence and destruction~ We see this in many Hmong families.
Religion is suppose to build a foundation for the people/family/community. If a religion is only used as a "fear" tactic and a tool for healing. There is no value~ in it. There is value in it. The truth; spiritual healing is does not work~ it's a form of mental healing.
If you raise your children around Shamanism; make sure to teach them good values and behaviors. ... on the side. Many hmong parents forget to teach moral values to their children~ this always leads to abuse and violence in the future.
(http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/12/11/43/2660581/4/628x471.jpg)
Many of you grew up experiencing Hmong shamanism~ The hmong culture revolves around shamanism; the spiritual world of our ancestors and the dead. This religion carries a deep root that has been practices for centuries.
But there is a problem with this religion! Especially if you're living in America. One major problem with Hmong shamanism is that it doesn't teach people morals. Hmong shamanism is a form of communication with the spiritual world. If a person doesn't believe in spirituality - Hmong religion is just one big joke!
But lets dissect the religion into 3 catagories.
1) Does this religion engage people's morality and humanity? No
2) Does this religion help give people enlightment and salvation? No
3) Does this religion create fear and caution? Yes
Why are you afraid when an elder says "your spirit has left your body." This fear and panic creates even more stress- and could cause you to become more sick. The "fear" tatic.
Why doesn't Hmong Shamanism teach morality and good judgement~ If it did; the hmong culture would be very different. Certain religion teaches "right from wrong" but Hmong shamanism lacks those teachings. Shamanism teaches fear and prevention. It doesn't teach moral values that can build a person to have good judgement.
If a person lacks good judgement; there will be violence and destruction~ We see this in many Hmong families.
Religion is suppose to build a foundation for the people/family/community. If a religion is only used as a "fear" tactic and a tool for healing. There is no value~ in it. The truth; spiritual healing is does not work~ it's a form of mental healing.
If you raise your children around Shamanism; make sure to teach them good values and behaviors. Many hmong parents forget to teach moral values to their children~ this always leads to abuse and violence in the future.
(http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/12/11/43/2660581/4/628x471.jpg)
Shamans receive major respect. My grandpa was one and when he passed out, hundreds of folks came to pay their respect. O0
Hmong-Everything,
You bring up some very interesting topics and sound so sophisticated, but you do nothing but bash the Hmong community. If you want to be white, just convert and stay in your corner of the world.
No, people have the right to practice whatever religion in this great country as long as they are not doing anything illegal such as sacraficing virgins.
Christianity is not a religion. It's a cult.
A cult is a religion.
How can Christianity be a cult when more than half the world's population adhere to some form of belief in God? Here's wiki's definition of what a cult is:
"The word cult in current usage is a pejorative term for a new religious movement[1] or other group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre by the larger society.[2] The word cult is used as an ad hominem attack against groups with simply differing doctrines or practices, and without a clear or consistent definition.[3]..."
Christianity is NOT considered to be abnormal or bizarre by the larger society...
Many of you grew up experiencing Hmong shamanism~ The hmong culture revolves around shamanism; the spiritual world of our ancestors and the dead. This religion carries a deep root that has been practices for centuries.
But there is a problem with this religion! Especially if you're living in America. One major problem with Hmong shamanism is that it doesn't teach people morals. Hmong shamanism is a form of communication with the spiritual world. If a person doesn't believe in spirituality - Hmong religion is just one big joke!
But lets dissect the religion into 3 catagories.
1) Does this religion engage people's morality and humanity? No
2) Does this religion help give people enlightment and salvation? No
3) Does this religion create fear and caution? Yes
Why are you afraid when an elder says "your spirit has left your body." This fear and panic creates even more stress- and could cause you to become more sick. The "fear" tatic.
Why doesn't Hmong Shamanism teach morality and good judgement~ If it did; the hmong culture would be very different. Certain religion teaches "right from wrong" but Hmong shamanism lacks those teachings. Shamanism teaches fear and prevention. It doesn't teach moral values that can build a person to have good judgement.
If a person lacks good judgement; there will be violence and destruction~ We see this in many Hmong families.
Religion is suppose to build a foundation for the people/family/community. If a religion is only used as a "fear" tactic and a tool for healing. There is no value~ in it. The truth; spiritual healing is does not work~ it's a form of mental healing.
If you raise your children around Shamanism; make sure to teach them good values and behaviors. Many hmong parents forget to teach moral values to their children~ this always leads to abuse and violence in the future.
(http://h2.hdnux.com/photos/12/11/43/2660581/4/628x471.jpg)
Hello,
You are right and I agree with you on some of the problems you mentioned there. However you are wrong on many accounts regarding Hmong beliefs and moral values. Here is why:
The problem of Hmong Shamanism in USA (living in the city with stereotype/disrespectful neighbors) - 1) slaughter pig/goat/dog in your home is considered animal cruelty, burning of paper/incense 2) the morning or evening chanting of the Shaman, banging of the drum-plate, bells etc... is considered neighborhood disturbing 3) the often gathers of the Hmong people in one's place for an spiritual/cultural/traditional celebration or practice is considered too often & parking is a problem. However, if you lived in the city its a different story
Now, here is where you're wrong: WTY Shamanism is just a belief/ritual which requires sacrifices of specific animals and has nothing to do with moral values. In fact, Hmong morals and values are just as fair and justify as other civilize cultural too.
1) Does this religion engage people's morality and humanity? its a cultural practice that require animal sacrifice, before they kill the animal they have to pay and negotiate an agreement with the animal
2) Does this religion help give people enlightment and salvation? enlightenment? to a certain extend, salvation? thats a different thing (sounded like Christians belief) but when a person dies it is sent to the ancestors in Heaven for reincarnation (after going through the underworld for judgment)
3) Does this religion create fear and caution? depends on the person (shaman) good Shaman gives good feedback, bad Shaman gives bad feedback just like good pastor gives good sermons, bad pastor gives bad sermons
Here are some bad morals that some bad pastor today teaches (from the Bible):
Matthew 12: 47-48
Someone said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You." But Jesus answered the one who was telling Him and said, "Who is My mother and who are My brothers?" And stretching out His hand toward His disciples, He said, "Behold My mother and My brothers!…
Msg - You should disown your parents and siblings and leave home to be with your friends and call then your family. Separations of families and relatives. WE SEE THIS IN HMONG COMMUNITY IN USA AND PARTS OF THE WORLD WHERE THERE ARE HMONG CHRISTIANS, BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HEAVEN AND WE'RE NOT (HEAVEN AND HELL DOES NOT EXIST, NEITHER PROVEN OR NOT)
Deuteronomy 22:23-24
“If there is a betrothed virgin, and a man meets her in the city and lies with her, then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city, and you shall stone them to death with stones, the young woman because she did not cry for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbor's wife. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
Msg - If you rape your neighbor's wife and know that you'd get caught, guess what? you could drug or tape a 13 year girl so that no one would hear her scream and then force yourself into her, so she'll be stone to death with you.
Exodus 12:29-30
And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died.
Msg - Its OK to kill anyone and destroy everything they have because they don't believe in what you believe.
The list goes on...
Now, good morals Hmong in general, no education involve (not related to Shaman or God):
1. Respect your parents for they give birth to you, wipe your butt, feed you rice, chew solid food for you when you can't chew yet, sheltered you when the sun is up/rain's pour etc... respect your grandparents for they give birth to your parents, great-grand and so on
2. Do good then someday you'll receive good, do bad then someday you'd receive bad
3. Help others with your knowledge, wealth, or just time and effort/strength and they help you in return
etc...
To sum it up, if Hmong Christians kept believing in this ideology that Jesus does exist dies and raise from the dead and will do the same for them too, then Hmong Christians will remain in the world of fantasy and the separations of families will continues...
If you base your facts from wiki, then it's obvious you're not very smart. :idiot2:
unless the religion u convert to makes you immortal .. makes no difference what shit u do or dont belee in. yall fckn die in the end and thats it ......... worhsip a damn rock n call it a 'new faith' if u want. invent yo own damn funeral n weeding rites if you want. just dont expect others to start shitting on their own traditions n convert to yours :sleepy3:
A cult is a religion.
How can Christianity be a cult when more than half the world's population adhere to some form of belief in God? Here's wiki's definition of what a cult is:Christianity is a cult that murdered millions of people in the name of their god. If any cult today murdered enough people, surely their followers will produce enough offspring to become a "major" religion. That's how Christianity will be remembered by future generations of human beings who will be less gullible and more intelligent. You can be spiritual without believing that you know everything about the universe. Telling others that your way is the only way is pure ignorance.
"The word cult in current usage is a pejorative term for a new religious movement[1] or other group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre by the larger society.[2] The word cult is used as an ad hominem attack against groups with simply differing doctrines or practices, and without a clear or consistent definition.[3]..."
Christianity is NOT considered to be abnormal or bizarre by the larger society...
Many of you grew up experiencing Hmong shamanism~ The hmong culture revolves around shamanism; the spiritual world of our ancestors and the dead. This religion carries a deep root that has been practices for centuries.
But there is a problem with this religion! Especially if you're living in America. One major problem with Hmong shamanism is that it doesn't teach people morals. Hmong shamanism is a form of communication with the spiritual world. If a person doesn't believe in spirituality - Hmong religion is just one big joke!
But lets dissect the religion into 3 catagories.
1) Does this religion engage people's morality and humanity? No
2) Does this religion help give people enlightment and salvation? No
3) Does this religion create fear and caution? Yes
Why are you afraid when an elder says "your spirit has left your body." This fear and panic creates even more stress- and could cause you to become more sick. The "fear" tatic.
Why doesn't Hmong Shamanism teach morality and good judgement~ If it did; the hmong culture would be very different. Certain religion teaches "right from wrong" but Hmong shamanism lacks those teachings. Shamanism teaches fear and prevention. It doesn't teach moral values that can build a person to have good judgement.
If a person lacks good judgement; there will be violence and destruction~ We see this in many Hmong families.
Religion is suppose to build a foundation for the people/family/community. If a religion is only used as a "fear" tactic and a tool for healing. There is no value~ in it. The truth; spiritual healing is does not work~ it's a form of mental healing.
If you raise your children around Shamanism; make sure to teach them good values and behaviors. Many hmong parents forget to teach moral values to their children~ this always leads to abuse and violence in the future.
(http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/12/11/43/2660581/4/628x471.jpg)
I understand most of you kids in here are Hmong who still practice shamanism including Reporter, a moderator in here. I respect your practice. However, the larger question is this: WHERE DOES YOUR SOUL OR SPIRIT GO WHEN YOUR PHYSICAL BODY DIES? I challenged those of you bashing our Christian faith to answer this question for me. You can kill thousands of chickens, pigs, cows as you want. I don't care. What I care is for you to answer the question I proposed. I will keep quiet and let you smart people speak.
I understand most of you kids in here are Hmong who still practice shamanism including Reporter, a moderator in here. I respect your practice. However, the larger question is this: WHERE DOES YOUR SOUL OR SPIRIT GO WHEN YOUR PHYSICAL BODY DIES? I challenged those of you bashing our Christian faith to answer this question for me. You can kill thousands of chickens, pigs, cows as you want. I don't care. What I care is for you to answer the question I proposed. I will keep quiet and let you smart people speak.
I understand most of you kids in here are Hmong who still practice shamanism including Reporter, a moderator in here. I respect your practice. However, the larger question is this: WHERE DOES YOUR SOUL OR SPIRIT GO WHEN YOUR PHYSICAL BODY DIES? I challenged those of you bashing our Christian faith to answer this question for me. You can kill thousands of chickens, pigs, cows as you want. I don't care. What I care is for you to answer the question I proposed. I will keep quiet and let you smart people speak.Holy shit, you actually know where the soul goes after the physical body dies? You must know everything about the universe!
I understand most of you kids in here are Hmong who still practice shamanism including Reporter, a moderator in here. I respect your practice. However, the larger question is this: WHERE DOES YOUR SOUL OR SPIRIT GO WHEN YOUR PHYSICAL BODY DIES? I challenged those of you bashing our Christian faith to answer this question for me. You can kill thousands of chickens, pigs, cows as you want. I don't care. What I care is for you to answer the question I proposed. I will keep quiet and let you smart people speak.
Many of you grew up experiencing Hmong shamanism~ The hmong culture revolves around shamanism; the spiritual world of our ancestors and the dead. This religion carries a deep root that has been practices for centuries.and i think you should take this photo out.. thank you
But there is a problem with this religion! Especially if you're living in America. One major problem with Hmong shamanism is that it doesn't teach people morals. Hmong shamanism is a form of communication with the spiritual world. If a person doesn't believe in spirituality - Hmong religion is just one big joke!
But lets dissect the religion into 3 catagories.
1) Does this religion engage people's morality and humanity? No
2) Does this religion help give people enlightment and salvation? No
3) Does this religion create fear and caution? Yes
Why are you afraid when an elder says "your spirit has left your body." This fear and panic creates even more stress- and could cause you to become more sick. The "fear" tatic.
Why doesn't Hmong Shamanism teach morality and good judgement~ If it did; the hmong culture would be very different. Certain religion teaches "right from wrong" but Hmong shamanism lacks those teachings. Shamanism teaches fear and prevention. It doesn't teach moral values that can build a person to have good judgement.
If a person lacks good judgement; there will be violence and destruction~ We see this in many Hmong families.
Religion is suppose to build a foundation for the people/family/community. If a religion is only used as a "fear" tactic and a tool for healing. There is no value~ in it. The truth; spiritual healing is does not work~ it's a form of mental healing.
If you raise your children around Shamanism; make sure to teach them good values and behaviors. Many hmong parents forget to teach moral values to their children~ this always leads to abuse and violence in the future.
My seven year old can debate better...for one, he does understand the question asked...you kids need to take a chill pill. I don't want you three lowering my intelligence to your level...This is what happens when a religious zealot meets someone who doesn't agree with them.
I understand most of you kids in here are Hmong who still practice shamanism including Reporter, a moderator in here. I respect your practice. However, the larger question is this: WHERE DOES YOUR SOUL OR SPIRIT GO WHEN YOUR PHYSICAL BODY DIES? I challenged those of you bashing our Christian faith to answer this question for me. You can kill thousands of chickens, pigs, cows as you want. I don't care. What I care is for you to answer the question I proposed. I will keep quiet and let you smart people speak.
My seven year old can debate better...for one, he does understand the question asked...you kids need to take a chill pill. I don't want you three lowering my intelligence to your level...that poor thing, only seven and already brainwashed. :'(
I understand most of you kids in here are Hmong who still practice shamanism including Reporter, a moderator in here. I respect your practice. However, the larger question is this: WHERE DOES YOUR SOUL OR SPIRIT GO WHEN YOUR PHYSICAL BODY DIES? I challenged those of you bashing our Christian faith to answer this question for me. You can kill thousands of chickens, pigs, cows as you want. I don't care. What I care is for you to answer the question I proposed. I will keep quiet and let you smart people speak.
Many of you grew up experiencing Hmong shamanism~ The hmong culture revolves around shamanism; the spiritual world of our ancestors and the dead. This religion carries a deep root that has been practices for centuries.
But there is a problem with this religion! Especially if you're living in America. One major problem with Hmong shamanism is that it doesn't teach people morals. Hmong shamanism is a form of communication with the spiritual world. If a person doesn't believe in spirituality - Hmong religion is just one big joke!
But lets dissect the religion into 3 catagories.
1) Does this religion engage people's morality and humanity? No
2) Does this religion help give people enlightment and salvation? No
3) Does this religion create fear and caution? Yes
Why are you afraid when an elder says "your spirit has left your body." This fear and panic creates even more stress- and could cause you to become more sick. The "fear" tatic.
Why doesn't Hmong Shamanism teach morality and good judgement~ If it did; the hmong culture would be very different. Certain religion teaches "right from wrong" but Hmong shamanism lacks those teachings. Shamanism teaches fear and prevention. It doesn't teach moral values that can build a person to have good judgement.
If a person lacks good judgement; there will be violence and destruction~ We see this in many Hmong families.
Religion is suppose to build a foundation for the people/family/community. If a religion is only used as a "fear" tactic and a tool for healing. There is no value~ in it. The truth; spiritual healing is does not work~ it's a form of mental healing.
If you raise your children around Shamanism; make sure to teach them good values and behaviors. Many hmong parents forget to teach moral values to their children~ this always leads to abuse and violence in the future.
(http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/12/11/43/2660581/4/628x471.jpg)
Many of you grew up experiencing Hmong shamanism~ The hmong culture revolves around shamanism; the spiritual world of our ancestors and the dead. This religion carries a deep root that has been practices for centuries.OMG... another white wash person. biatch'n about her hmong heritage. Either that this person goes to church and is try'n to preach how awesome church people are?
But there is a problem with this religion! Especially if you're living in America. One major problem with Hmong shamanism is that it doesn't teach people morals. Hmong shamanism is a form of communication with the spiritual world. If a person doesn't believe in spirituality - Hmong religion is just one big joke!
But lets dissect the religion into 3 catagories.
1) Does this religion engage people's morality and humanity? No
2) Does this religion help give people enlightment and salvation? No
3) Does this religion create fear and caution? Yes
Why are you afraid when an elder says "your spirit has left your body." This fear and panic creates even more stress- and could cause you to become more sick. The "fear" tatic.
Why doesn't Hmong Shamanism teach morality and good judgement~ If it did; the hmong culture would be very different. Certain religion teaches "right from wrong" but Hmong shamanism lacks those teachings. Shamanism teaches fear and prevention. It doesn't teach moral values that can build a person to have good judgement.
If a person lacks good judgement; there will be violence and destruction~ We see this in many Hmong families.
Religion is suppose to build a foundation for the people/family/community. If a religion is only used as a "fear" tactic and a tool for healing. There is no value~ in it. The truth; spiritual healing is does not work~ it's a form of mental healing.
If you raise your children around Shamanism; make sure to teach them good values and behaviors. Many hmong parents forget to teach moral values to their children~ this always leads to abuse and violence in the future.
(http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/12/11/43/2660581/4/628x471.jpg)
Just curious, suppose that Shamanism is all good and real, so then why does the dead need food in the afterlife? So they need to pitch off from the living or else they will come to kill you? ROFL ok...The food is to honor them, as if they were here in spirit when we share meals. It is not to literally feed them. They do not remain in the spirit world for an eternity, they live there for only a lifetime. After their lifetime in the spirit world they return to the creator. The creator will go over their lifetimes (earth/spirit world) and then from there, the soul will see what lessons it has learned and what lessons it will learn next. And onto the next lifetime, reincarnate on earth, and the process repeats itself. Some souls learn quicker than others, which is why we see some mature teens and then immature adults.
But really...if Shamanism is as good as it claims, why does the dead need anything at all?
The suppose ancestors in the afterlife are to guide you and to protect you, yet they can't do that for themselves? That's completely crap don't ya think?
^^^ You are half correct, wen you are dead. you have nothing... However the dead still needs food and money... just like the living. I guess younglings like you wouldn't know of wat I speak of.
The food is to honor them, as if they were here in spirit when we share meals. It is not to literally feed them. They do not remain in the spirit world for an eternity, they live there for only a lifetime. After their lifetime in the spirit world they return to the creator. The creator will go over their lifetimes (earth/spirit world) and then from there, the soul will see what lessons it has learned and what lessons it will learn next. And onto the next lifetime, reincarnate on earth, and the process repeats itself. Some souls learn quicker than others, which is why we see some mature teens and then immature adults.
If that were true, then there would be tons of freeloader ancestors who won't have food, cuz they ain't getting it from the mass population of the world.I can not answer your question to wat you would like to hear, however I can say tis. And these are from accounts of wat I've heard from the OG's. Wen you go you have noting, no money, food, thous why we fold papers monies and offer food and boozes,
Suppose what you said was real couldn't they just plant their own agriculture in the after life?
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I can not answer your question to wat you would like to hear, however I can say tis. And these are from accounts of wat I've heard from the OG's. Wen you go you have noting, no money, food, thous why we fold papers monies and offer food and boozes,
Like Samaria X Master Hiko would say " no one should reach their vonna without the taste of good Sake on their lips".
Anyways back to the topic::: Just like the living the dead still needs help and guidance. For some they are lost and thous one of the many reasons why the drum is use for @ the funerals.
However the young generations don't even know how to do a garden, how are they to even know where to began with lol
Sounds like a fresh off the college boy talking smack here?Sometimes I question myself, why I even go to college. Not that is a bad thing.
So lets say (example): your relative is just recovering from an illness. And the doctor tells you that he is not eat as much as they would like him to. And that we need to cut him up and stick a feeding tube in him.
Would you do as what the doctor tells you. Or would you look up to the sky and ask what is best?
So tell me... Science point out that evolution involved a monkey to human being. But the bible states that GOD created us man? So Science has more back grounds then the bible? plus there are Evidence of dinosaur bones tells us that dinosaur once roamed the earth. Philosophy and Science are two separate things. Buddha is not a GOD. But why do people say Buddha bless you.
So which one is the better Religion?
Science?
Philosophy; the word of the wise?
Shaman?
Atheist?
Catholic?
Roman kings.
I expected nothing less from you to have a come back such as this. You are so eager to prove me wrong and that you are always righteous.
{Proverbs. chapter 9:7} If you correct a conceited man you will only be insulted. Hahaaa.
I have an uncle which we grew up together, But now he dis-owned my family due to that he believes that we are not worthy because we don't follow in his foot steps. And is no longer going to church. He wouldn't even step foot in the house to see my old man in his desired needed time. So tell me is this how Christianity are taught? Or do you put yourself higher then everyone else?
Durning the Vietnam war, it was my old man that carried him on his shoulder all the way to Thailand and then into the USA. You see most Christianity people that I knew off never opened their mouth to speak bad about others or are never dis-respect other's by Not going into other peoples houses, even though the family doesn't believe in GOD. Unlike some of you who thinks that they are so righteousness that they most prove to always be right.
{Proverbs: Chapter 12:16.} When a fool is annoyed, he quickly lets it be known. Smart people will ignore an insult.
I wasn't eager to disprove you. I was coming from an agreement or disagreement. You on the other hand, assume that I was about to destroy you, but I didn't. I only came to disprove shamanism that it lacks a foundation of a creator. Who is your boss in the spiritual realm? Are there many bosses or just one? If there many, then your a polytheist. Therefore, I understand why you were rejected because I assume you did the same thing of what Joseph Smith say. Therefore, I am conceited, I am just a speculator, giving advice of what you should do and what you should not do. Again, being righteous can be a weapon to the evil people because I know that most victims that graduated from school knows in their hearts that their enemies can't hide their faces from shame. Shame is the ultimate weapons that stings like b-i-t-c-h!If I was a Pagan, then that mean you are a Hypocrite: Always gossiping about Christianity, but they are the first to cast the stone, without judgement. Just because other people don't worship your God(s) or goes to church automatically make them guilty. Of worshipping the Shaman or Devil.
Again, shamanism lacks morality, shamanism lacks a founder, shamanism lacks spiritual growth with meaning through someone or something, and I can go on further if you want. Again, you are a pagan. Accept the TRUTH!
mmm, not really. Christianity has multiple weapons to go against their sword with other sword that can defeat them. It's like saying they use bronze to kill. Well, you can use iron to defeat them.Multiples weapons with multiple "experts" claiming they know best how to use the. Perfect example of the hectic nature that is Christianity. Trying getting a Catholic and a Protestant into the same room. Better yet, a Protestant and a Mormon. Or a Catholic and a Mormon. Ask ten Christians to explain the same verse and you'll get ten different answers. I'm just not a very big fan of the odds.
Mormonism isn't Christian. Please, go some research about Joseph Smith. I am an evangelist arminianist. So, if you give me a verse and compare to theirs, I'd say about 80% of the time speaks the same truth. 20% are the ones that never READS the bible and would give another interpretation . For example, Jehovah's witness don't believe Heaven is like the afterlife. They believe Heaven is here. Well, I find that to be wrong. Therefore, if you compare a verse about Heaven, almost EVERYONE say that Heaven is from God and above the sky. That means that we do speak the same thing on the 80% side. The 20% are the cults or the ones that never read the bible in their whole life.I thought Christians are those who believes in Jesus Christ. Thus "Christ"ian. See, there we go again. You keep reiterating how hectic Christianity is. It's funny how Christian groups likes to claim this group or that group as not being Christian. But, in the eyes of the non-Christian they're all the, and they are, Christians.
Mormonism isn't Christian. Please, go some research about Joseph Smith. I am an evangelist arminianist. So, if you give me a verse and compare to theirs, I'd say about 80% of the time speaks the same truth. 20% are the ones that never READS the bible and would give another interpretation . For example, Jehovah's witness don't believe Heaven is like the afterlife. They believe Heaven is here. Well, I find that to be wrong. Therefore, if you compare a verse about Heaven, almost EVERYONE say that Heaven is from God and above the sky. That means that we do speak the same thing on the 80% side. The 20% are the cults or the ones that never read the bible in their whole life.
^^^ you should go watch Ancient aliens on the history channel. I love watching history.
Yes, it isn't a conventional religion; definitely not an organized religion (but that's a good thing too). It's more like a set of beliefs.
Find a row of ten Hmong houses and each of them will have different nuances for hu plug, ua neeb, and how their xwv kab looks; even which ever shaman they use will all have their different equipment and styles. Find a row of ten Christian/Muslim houses and all of them will always pray at meals, attend service on a specific day (ex. Sunday church), all read the same book, etc.; don't matter if they are in North America, Europe, or Asia.
Shamans receive major respect. My grandpa was one and when he passed out, hundreds of folks came to pay their respect. O0
Doesn't that go to show that the spiritual work here is to divide the people, not bring them together...? Just saying.
Such a quick claim that something isn't real. I see that you are not a humble man. If you think Christianity was made by white people, think again.
...you saying that Christianity isn't real or claiming other religions to be dumb and full of corruption...
Christianity isn't real. Me punching you in the face and giving you a bloody nose is real. No religion is real. It's all beliefs and there's nothing wrong at all with having beliefs. But don't be so cocky to believe that your way is the right way.
They aren't real since they are NOTHING MORE but a demonic intervention.
Such a quick claim that something isn't real. I see that you are not a humble man.
Muslims, Jews, and Christians (yes, even Mormons, Jehovah's, etc.) can't even come to the conclusion that they worship the same God. And we have Christians interpreting the Old Testament now? After 2,000 years post baby dude's death, you guys can't even piss in the same bucket.
So who the fukk made you arbiter to pass judgement on other cultures and practices that without [European] imperialism, external influences, wouldn't know or care to know to know about Jewish/Christian loathing of the idea that the spirit realm, should it exist, is not to be contacted by humans?
It's like going into the Amazon rainforest and telling the native tribes how great Grand Theft Auto 5 is and how futile their way of entertainment is.
Christianity isn't real. Me punching you in the face and giving you a bloody nose is real. No religion is real. It's all beliefs and there's nothing wrong at all with having beliefs. But don't be so cocky to believe that your way is the right way.
Two hundred years ago, your great-great grandparents were sacrificing animals to spirits in hopes that your grandparents would survive the infant stage because the infant mortality was high so that your ass, their great-great grandchildren, would live to see the light of day. They didn't know, didn't care to know, or needed to know that Christianity was out there waiting to be found as if they were so fukken lost as a people and needed a white God to feel the rapture. And here you are, two hundred years later, talking like your lineage was part of the crusades. Pfft! STFU you bore me and you embarrass your family name. Go get a life.
Disproving Christianity's behavior doesn't disprove God and His nature.
Okay I finally watched all the Ancient Aliens. I don't really understand all the concept. All I can say is that is full of speculation. It is interesting theory nonetheless. One thing is consistent: Human needs Alien.After watching that thoery, does it make sense? I you watch more they go on about the bible. What the bible that we have is all re-worded. There are like 7 or more bible books out there that we are not aware of. If you read the Old testament. I forget who is who, but in some Paragraphs they speak of GODs. or shinny god(s), now why is it that there were more then one GOD. Hmmmm.
My favorite quote: The only way the Ancient Aliens Theory can be disprove, if they came down and say "We never been there." By Giorgio Tsoukalos. :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Another thing that was funny is this meme:
(http://teakdoor.com/Gallery/albums/userpics/10061/ancient-aliens-guy-im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens.jpg)
That is why you go to the spirits and cry about your worries EVERYDAY! Again, you're putting your faith on a spirit that you have NEVER SEEN or DIED for you as a REAL FATHER would do.
Shamanism is nothing more but holds an empty evidence that is crying to the world to leave them alone.
Therefore, if you are coming from scientifically, you just blown your own ship. Because you can't disprove it since you need science to prove with evidence...
Since God is philosophical, that's where we can really debate about it.
I have NEVER seen a shamanist pray like how a Buddhist or a Christian would do it...I see the elders bowing down to a piece of paper, eggs, a dead chicken, and some incense around it for the aroma are considered as demonic worshipping.
Have you EVER read Frank Turek's book?
You said something about disproving. So, I am here with what you got. The way I see it has no evidence to prove there is no God. Therefore, you are on the boundary without evidence.
Is there a standard in the shamanism realm? Who is the judge in the afterlife? Again, this is what buddhist really lacks and I find ALL asian religion lacks on this A LOT!
...then I wouldn't care of me giving you truth because your laziness.
As for Shamanism, you have no evidence NOR having anything.
Again, if the religion is true in shamanism, where can I find the source and books in the Hmong realm? Where's the science in shamanism? Because in Christianity, we have science.
There are plenty of evidence. Here is the evidence, there are shamans out there.
I agree there are shamans out there, but that's not the topic. The topic that Hungy brought was to prove shamanism to be true. He didn't point out anything. I did. And now he's talking crap about Christianity to which I find that intolerant. He's going through the route of Richard Dawkins, the radical, religious atheist.
Eh as much as a pro-shaman person, that is circular reasoning. Just as saying there is the bible, pastor, priest and etc. It doesn't really prove anything, just a reassert that we have shaman.
Wow! Are you really gonna test God like how Lucifer did to Jesus in the 40 days in the dessert? You sound like this silly joke here:
There was an old man sitting on his porch watching the rain fall. Pretty soon the water was coming over the porch and into the house.
The old man was still sitting there when a rescue boat came and the people on board said, "You can't stay here you have to come with us."
The old man replied, "No, God will save me." So the boat left. A little while later the water was up to the second floor, and another rescue boat came, and again told the old man he had to come with them.
The old man again replied, "God will save me." So the boat left him again.
An hour later the water was up to the roof and a third rescue boat approached the old man, and tried to get him to come with them.
Again the old man refused to leave stating that, "God will save him." So the boat left him again.
Soon after, the man drowns and goes to heaven, and when he sees God he asks him, "Why didn't you save me?"
God replied, "You dummy! I tried. I sent three boats after you!!"[/i]
The moral isn't about testing god.
Re-read your previous quotes. You said ur going to punch me in the face. Okay, and then you said:
"Care to do the challenge? If you have so much faith in God, then there should be no problem because I should be shitting water on that day, right?"
Doesn't this sound like your testing my God?
Bottom Line:
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Your Parents brought you this far.... into a world where you are not hungry, your rights are in front of you, and you can choose whatever religion you want, and hell you can join a cult for all anyone cares.
Don't you?..... for one minute think, that your Parents did their best so you could eat, live, and have something to believe in, not so you could make it to this forum....just to "Bash" on your own religion & culture.
Aside from that reality, on a Spiritual note: Your Ancestors are probably witnessing you, bashing on your belief and thinking, what a waist of our time watching over you.
The belief and culture are not lost or lacking....... ...its obviously done something to bring you this far in your own life.......but if you're not happy with yourself, by all means......the religion and culture won't hold you down.
If you don't know how to keep the richness of your belief and culture and learn to let go of the bad in it. Well, then its all your loss and you will be.....forever lost regardless of whatever religion you convert to.
Kindness, Compassion, Goodness, Hope, Faith, Love, etc. are all one and the same regardless whatever you seek....have you ever thought that you are the one lacking?
I only read what other people quotes on me. I fight only one man before going to the next.
Because I have been quoted...DUH!
...some loser nerds who play Magic Cards (Magic, the Gathering) everyday at school?
Again, if shaman CANNOT prove their point, they lost! I have won!Yay you won! Gold star for you.
Again, if shaman CANNOT prove their point, they lost! I have won!
I understand most of you kids in here are Hmong who still practice shamanism including Reporter, a moderator in here. I respect your practice. However, the larger question is this: WHERE DOES YOUR SOUL OR SPIRIT GO WHEN YOUR PHYSICAL BODY DIES? I challenged those of you bashing our Christian faith to answer this question for me. You can kill thousands of chickens, pigs, cows as you want. I don't care. What I care is for you to answer the question I proposed. I will keep quiet and let you smart people speak.
^^ Just answer the question. Stop the bashing. No need to behave like an idiot. Am I bashing your chicken killing, pig killing, cow killing ritual? If you don't know the answer, just say so...
I just wanted to see who am I debating with...it turns out I am debating with not one, not two, but three ten year olds......
How can Christianity be a cult when more than half the world's population adhere to some form of belief in God? Here's wiki's definition of what a cult is:
"The word cult in current usage is a pejorative term for a new religious movement[1] or other group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre by the larger society.[2] The word cult is used as an ad hominem attack against groups with simply differing doctrines or practices, and without a clear or consistent definition.[3]..."
Christianity is NOT considered to be abnormal or bizarre by the larger society...
hahaha I concur. The cults don't believe in Jesus as their savior. They have their own set of belief.
What I know is that Tuj Txias Teb Tsaus is Hell. I have seen my Aunt's funeral and eavesdropped on the shaman about them, praying to a man in a shadow form, which he claim to be, "Your closest friend."
I assumed Hmong Shamanism worships the devil then? I am feared about this. Why would Hmong people worship Dab if they know that Dab hates them? Why make friends with enemies?
I assumed Hmong Shamanism worships the devil then? I am feared about this. Why would Hmong people worship Dab if they know that Dab hates them? Why make friends with enemies?
Dude, Dab means demon. There are no such thing as a good demon.
I'll go on worshipping my ha-mong beliefs and killing my chickens & pigs cos at least no wars and no human lives have ever been taken in the name of my ancestors beliefs ..
... unlike some beliefs where they proclaim to "love thy neighbor" and "judge not lest ye be judged" but turn right around and break their fvcked up vows by hatin & killing on others different from them :idiot2: :idiot2:
Why you want to kill all the hmong shaman
Thats kinda of evil
Good thing we don’t follow these Christian moral of yours
CUZ ITS FREAKIN CRAZY MENTAL NUTS