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villian,Okay, it is a touchy subject. Even when folklore or fake stories are told about people turning into zombies/vampires or tiger folks/werewolves. Just curious about the reason(s).
i don't think the intention of the practice is for "power." i have not the chance to ask those elders why or how they do it..its kinda taboo to even talk about it with them regarding that practice.
yeejkoob,Wow, so an actual descendent of that. I wonder if part of their belief system had something to do with gaining the spirit power of whomever they consume.
it is funny how, in today's word, when we say "he is moob dlawb"...then we automatically assume he "speaks" the "white" dialect. this is not the case at all about 100 years ago. Back then, there is no such thing as the "white dialect" because all the dialects were "mixed" depending on locations of where they were and where they came from.
now, on what that loobtswb maggot was referring to (moob ntsuab) as being cannibalism. This is a true labeling. But again, do not assume that Moob ntsuab refers to Moob leeg or those who speaks the "leeg" dialect. Moob ntsuab (referring to clothing) was just a group of people who happened to practice cannibalism..A ND MOST LIKELY A GROUP THAT SPEAKS THE LEEG DIALECT. Over time, started to label these "green (referring to clothing again)" mong as "moob ntsuab (referring to cannibalism). the funny part is, some moob leeg started calling this cannibalistic group as "moob ntsuab" too, separating themselves from the practice. I personally do not know how or when such a practice came about. but, i do know that some "moob dlawb" are part of with too (won't name names...becaus e he is an acquaintence of mine who said that his grandfather was related and living with these moob ntsuab aand that they even practiced it too). BUT...I DO KNOW THAT IN AMERICA, THE LEE CLAN IN SACRAMENTO (COV MOOB LEEG AS WE KNOW IT TODAY) are the true canniabals that we are talking about. however, they do not do it anymore. lawd siv "mojzeeg" as a symbol of their kids being killed and offered lawm xwb (this practice occurs during new year's eve). if you interested in it as a paper, do became freiends with the elders of that clan, and you will get more info on it.
Regarding the identication of a mong....This is a very interesting take. I'm not sure what to make of it. This is like the first time I've heard this. It sounds like it was almost done in a very short time and almost like a naming convention like that of some Europeans.
1. last name
2. clothing
3. dialects
4. location
dont confuse these 4 things when we say "he is moob leeg" or "nwg yog moob dlawb" or he is a vang/her/thao, etc.
1. we all know what last names are. actually, our last names are not really our clan names at all. the word xeem is actually 'xeev" or "province." this method of separating the mong was very efficient. when chinese divided the mong into groups...we were dispersed into "provinces" or "xeev" in hmong. each province is govern by a governor name "ho, yang, lee, etc". over time, we adopted these governor as our last name...by saying "kuv yog moob yaj"...but the actual meaning is "i am from the province of yang". example...i am was from the "xeev" of "Lee"..then i am hmong Lee.
the true mong clan names are "her = dluag, moua = zaag, thao = dlub, etc". also, our word for "clan" is "qhua". i am moob hawj (meaning i am from the province of "HO", but "KUV YOG QHUA DLUAG"...or i am from clan dluag. with this said--and the sad thing is--even if i am qhua dluag, and if were to live in the xeev Lee, then kuv yog moob lee lawm. do you see the problem and why we are so confused now? there were cases (i am sure) that two blood related brothers, one living in different xeev...so they eventually have different "xeem."
2. as for clothing...the re are moob dlub, moob dlawb...moob paj, moob xia, etc. these terms refer to the color of clothing that mong wear. do not confuse these terms with the "dialect" that people speak. a moob dlawb (referring to the clothing) may use the "leeg (dialect....as we know it today)" all his/her life, and still be called moob dlawb (referring to clothing).
3. location: this is the confusing part. keep in mind, mong were divided into groups by the chinese. over time, chinese lable mong as "moob leeg, moob peg, moob sib, etc.." in these cases, we are referring to locations. peg = north, leeg (laaj) is south, and sib (xib) is west.
with this said, a moob dlawb (referring to clothing) can be called a moob sib just because he/she lives (or poob zoo) in the west with the moob sib. a moob dlawb (referring to clothing) can live with moob leeg all his/her life, and speaks the dialect of those people, and still can be moob dlawb.
do you see how confusing this is? this is why the elders are so lost in telling the truth. here is an example. moob leeg moved from china first into vietnam around 1750. we all know that. the elders agreed with this. most elders would say that moob leeg refers to the "green" dialect, and that moob leeg went south first. if this is the case, then how come my family reached moospheeb in 1850...and there were MOOB DLAWB THERE ALREADY? the fact is, there were some moob dlawb (referring to both clothing and dialect) living in souther china at that time...and they moved south when they had the chance. it does not mean these white mong family were moob leeg.
4. dialect. this is where it gets really confusing. because of separation enforced upon mong, we begin to talk differently. if you really think about it, there is no such thing as "dialect" anymore. the moog leeg of china speaks both white/leeg together. the leeg of southern laos speaks differently from the leeg of northern laos. some white who lives with the western group speaks both white and leeg together. some moob leeg say 'moog kev" while other says "moog kiv"...some say nyaj and others say nyiaj, similar to the white dialects. so it seems dialects depends on location, and not weahter you wear white, black, or blue clothing.
more later
Had a dream I was wearing hmoob clothes *as trying them out for the Hmong new year*. I was standing around, holding the dress with my two hand dacing, and their was this old straight face lady with a small hmoob knife, she was gonna stab me on my chest, but my mom scream, so she stop. Then she started poking me on my shoulder. She took out the knife, and their was blood. So I scream at her, and I called the old lady grandma. #scary #confussing After that this old man gave me one metal thingy. I don't know what it was, but I had one and he had one. I was spook out, so I gave it to someone else. Latter on the dream I saw of my uncle, but he past away a long time, I never dream about him, but this time was my very first dream about him.If you go to new year, you will meet a person from your past.
I was just wondering what my dream mean? I'm Christian, but now I'm married to a shawman family. Idk if its bad or not.
Passport only?
I was the only one that said she went to see her long lost boyfriend from Laos who's now living in WI.LOL... And you deserve a reward.
So you're the one who went to Lakewood, "kidnapped" her, brought her to the Cities and sent her back on her way? LMFAO Wild theory but I guess if aliens come to the planet, they'll first probe baddabing.LOL... I'm fresh meat...
