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Life & Living => Faith & Beliefs => Topic started by: hmgROCK on February 10, 2016, 11:51:48 AM
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I wanna share what us atheist and other people like me think.
So hopefully you can get a better understanding
On why we think like we do
First of all. Is the lack of proof or evidence
We just can't believe that with technology like cellphone and camera
There is no single shred of video evidence proof of his exisiting
It is really hard to believe in something that don't exist physical and God is absences
You can claim you talk to him. That you see him everyday.
If we were to wired your house with camera.
Trust me. It's going look like a asylum
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Think about it
If you talk to God everyday
You should record it and fax it to CNN asap
So the whole world will know. And so show them ISIS they are soo wrong
Right???
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You need to first define the criteria that fits your idea of evidence. Simply claiming that there is "no" evidence doesn't mean much.
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You need to first define the criteria that fits your idea of evidence. Simply claiming that there is "no" evidence doesn't mean much.
If God and you talk everynight. The holy spirit
I would record that with a camera maybe a tablet and fax it to CNN asap
You can end ISIS and tell them God don't like killing.
I just don't understand why no one has come forth.
It soo easy. Common sense.
My phone even has a camera which takes 1080 picture
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If God and you talk everynight. The holy spirit
I would record that with a camera maybe a tablet and fax it to CNN asap
You can end ISIS and tell them God don't like killing.
I just don't understand why no one has come forth.
It soo easy. Common sense.
My phone even has a camera which takes 1080 picture
But that doesn't qualify as evidence to an atheist.
Again, you haven't set the parameters of what constitutes as good evidence to an atheist.
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Are you talking to me right now? Do you know what I look like?
by golly, you are no different than them believers. :2funny:
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But that doesn't qualify as evidence to an atheist.
Again, you haven't set the parameters of what constitutes as good evidence to an atheist.
Look man
If you have proof/evidence
A video recording. I pretty sure you have a phone/tablet/computer/ webcam, etc...
Laying around somewhere
Please do record his Holiness
I can't believe no one though of this before
Fax it all to the news outlet. Proof us wrong.
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Proove it
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You don't seem to understand the point I am making. You said that a person should videotape themselves having a conversation with God. I am asking you to explain how that would justify as evidence for an atheist. How do we know the atheist isn't going to view the video as fraudulent?
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Look man
If you have proof/evidence
A video recording. I pretty sure you have a phone/tablet/computer/ webcam, etc...
Laying around somewhere
Please do record his Holiness
I can't believe no one though of this before
Fax it all to the news outlet. Proof us wrong.
I think I can say it for the majority of the people, theists and atheists alike. The reason that nobody have come forth with a video recording of someone talking to god is because....... maybe they have common sense? Common sense is that it's not justifiable evidence to present it as a convincible argument to an atheist. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the majority theists themselves see it as evidence. Does false prophets ring a bell?
Example:
Someone goes out to the woods and suddenly sees something big moving behind the bushes. That person takes out a camera and starts recording it. Later that same person goes around showing people the video and claiming it's bigfoot. Obviously, people with common sense would just dismiss the video showing something moving behind the bushes. There is no clear shot of whatever it was. It cannot be accurately identify. It could have been a bear or any other animal. Or it could even have been another human.
BTW, don't take it the wrong way. I just figure someone who speaks highly of science would know that it takes more than one video to prove something.
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Think about it
If you talk to God everyday
You should record it and fax it to CNN asap
So the whole world will know. And so show them ISIS they are soo wrong
Right???
Please tell me about the God you do Not believe in.......
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Look man
You can hate all you want.
At the end of the day
At the end of the poker match
When it comes to show our hands
There is simply no proof.
It is just what it is. It is just belief s.
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And the problem is?
You do know it's okay to be atheist. It's okay to not believe. It's okay to ignore people who believe.
If you are truly bothered by Christians, maybe you are being dishonest to them by not telling them you do not care for it. Just tell them you don't believe. If they continue to nag you, tell them you'd like to share your non-belief with them if they want to trade otherwise you are happy as a non-believer.
True Christians will not get into your face. They will not care whether you believe or not. Just like true atheists will not care if you don't believe. Don't make such a big deal out of something that isn't. I don't like people who throw their beliefs and religion at me. I find that odd that anyone would want to do that but I don't let it get to me because I'm strong in my faith. So, if you're strong in your non-faith, then it shouldn't bother you. For some reason you seem really bothered by Christianity so maybe there's a bit of you that doubt your non-belief so much that you might even think you might believe. That's okay too. You don't have to be 100% believer, and you can also believe 100%, but deny it for the sake of denying, I guess. It's your life so be honest with yourself. That's all that matters.
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There are Christians who goes to church and there are christians who will argue with these church going christians that going to church is not necessary because the church is not a place but a figure for something else like they are the church and they can pray anywhere.
Now we have you and your atheist view points but there are other atheists out there that will disagree on your view points. These are the atheists that goes to atheist rallys and movements to push a cause. You on the other hand, you never been to one and when there is one, you let them other atheists to do all the dirty work for you.
You are like how they call some christians as being a wolf in sheep's clothing. You are nothing but a atheist in sheep's clothing as well. Flashy on the outside but no substances on the inside. :2funny:
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And the problem is?
You do know it's okay to be atheist. It's okay to not believe. It's okay to ignore people who believe.
If you are truly bothered by Christians, maybe you are being dishonest to them by not telling them you do not care for it. Just tell them you don't believe. If they continue to nag you, tell them you'd like to share your non-belief with them if they want to trade otherwise you are happy as a non-believer.
True Christians will not get into your face. They will not care whether you believe or not. Just like true atheists will not care if you don't believe. Don't make such a big deal out of something that isn't. I don't like people who throw their beliefs and religion at me. I find that odd that anyone would want to do that but I don't let it get to me because I'm strong in my faith. So, if you're strong in your non-faith, then it shouldn't bother you. For some reason you seem really bothered by Christianity so maybe there's a bit of you that doubt your non-belief so much that you might even think you might believe. That's okay too. You don't have to be 100% believer, and you can also believe 100%, but deny it for the sake of denying, I guess. It's your life so be honest with yourself. That's all that matters.
Talk all you want
At the end of the day
When it comes time to show your poker hand
The hand is empty
Just like God
Belief are exactly just..... That..... Beliefs.
And if you think I am wrong. Proof me wrong
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It's called the God of the Gap.
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Hypothetically speaking- even if God stands in front of you right now and say, "son, I am God" you'd still have doubt, call that person "crazy" and even if that person perform a miracle in front of you, you'll be amazed but you wouldn't accept him to be God.
Jesus-God the son, came to earth, walked and lived among men. Told them who he is and performed miracles. Many people didn't believe and called him discipline of Satan, etc..
If he came today, it'll be the same because FAITH is not based on "see first believe later" but it is-
"The substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." -Hebrew 11:1
Believer or non-believer - everyone - know that God exist- for Hmong, it's tswv ntuj (God of the Sky), Yawm Saub etc.. For Muslim -Allah (??) because God put this knowledge into the heart of every man:
"...[W]hat may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--His eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made so that men are without excuse" (Rom. 1:19-20)
"The fool says in his heart, `There is no God'" (Psalm 14:1)
"For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything." (Heb. 4:4)
SOOOOOOOO God will not magically appear in the physical form to EVERY ONE and give you the PROOF you seek BEFORE you either believe or disbelieve.
When your parents guide you, do you expect them to show you the outcome before you accept their teaching(s)? If that's the case, can you imagine what they have to go through each and every time they teach you/guide you...
God is wise - he explain himself in his autobiography we call THE BIBLE - that book is addressed to each of us individually - and when we read, it's like reading an interview of our questions like "so God who are u?" Why am I here? Why did you created me? Why am I suffering? Are you real? How do I know you're real? etc...things like that :D :D :D
w/o God coming down to talk in the physical with each and every living soul from the beginning of time to the end of time -
I hope this answers your question.
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This is the truth behind the ultimate truth. It is ok if you do not have a god now. They say that god works in mysterious ways and let me share you a story to how he works his mystery.
99% of your Christians, your ancestors once in a upon a time did not have a god. It was ok for them not having a god in their lifetime but somewhere down the line, the God moved into the hearts of their ancestors/future offspring and you are now a god loving person.
If you do not have a god now, better believe it that your kids in the next generations will. I call this a hit and miss theory of mine. The A generation was a miss, the b and c's were also a miss. Once you get to the x,y,z, they will have it.
Yes atheist, be afraid, be very afraid. :2funny:
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If God and you talk everynight. The holy spirit
I would record that with a camera maybe a tablet and fax it to CNN asap
You can end ISIS and tell them God don't like killing.
I just don't understand why no one has come forth.
It soo easy. Common sense.
My phone even has a camera which takes 1080 picture
They did. The New Testament records and the existence of Jesus appeared to the hundreds of witnesses recorded in the gospels has been put forth as a challenge.
They do not need phones or cameras. They have everything they need which is word of mouth. Scholars generally think Oral Traditions can be preserved for several centuries unmolested.
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That is why I still talk to God because of the evidence I came to know in the bible. I can't simply prove God or Jesus using my camera because Jesus isn't here now. He has risen from the dead and now sit at the right hand of the Father. Common sense right?