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Life & Living => Faith & Beliefs => Topic started by: hmgROCK on August 18, 2016, 08:55:29 AM
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Little innocent syrian kid after an airstrike
(http://i.imgur.com/x2Dj8w1.jpg)
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God didn't caused this...
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God didn't caused this...
maybe not the christian god
but allah.....
that pilot was probably screaming "allahu akbar"
so yes the allah god did?
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Man caused this because an air strike can not happen without the machine operator who presses that trigger.
Guns don't kill. The brain behind the gun does so. O0
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where is god?
why is he letting this stuff happen?
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where is god?
why is he letting this stuff happen?
And if it did not happen and this world is all perfect then what happen?
Things need to happen so humanity can change. The airline industry for example have seen plenty of crashes and through investigations have made changes to make it better for future generations.
The last x amount of people who kept asking such question all have changed because they learned. They no longer ask such recycled question anymore. O0
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Science caused it? I hope that was just a bad joke...
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Do you actually want to discuss the topic or are you here just to mock theism?
I can see that you are ignoring anyone who says "man caused this" or "science caused this."
I ain't mocking anyone
I'm simply asking
Where is he?
Why is stuff like this going unnoticed by him?
I'm not asking who caused it.
Big difference
And here you guys are saying "science caused it"
Dude that's not even the question
The question is where is he?
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I ain't mocking anyone
I'm simply asking
Where is he?
Why is stuff like this going unnoticed by him?
I'm not asking who caused it.
Big difference
And here you guys are saying "science caused it"
Dude that's not even the question
The question is where is he?
Where is god?
(https://doolancallaghan.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/happy-child-on-the-northern-beaches-732x458.jpg)
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Where is god?
(insert any image here)
answer: He is just there. O0
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Why are you deleting posts? If any post should be deleted, it should the one that thinks science causes these problems. That statement is completely absurd.
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Instead of ganging up on anyone who disagrees with you, why don't you just be mature about it and figure it out? If hmgrock is so completely wrong, then why are you having such a hard time proving it? What does that say about you? Your counter-arguments against him are completely weak. I'd explain, but you clearly don't want to learn because you keep deleting it.
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Don't change the story.
1. I was responding to Fetish, and he was talking about football.
2. Were the "football posts" the only ones you deleted? No.
3. Using your argument, you need to delete your own post here. Why? Because we are not talking about the topic.
4. I actually did talk about the topic in a post, and it deleted. So do you want to talk about the topic or not?
First of all.
Your posts were about football and age of football teams or whatever. What does that have anything to do with this topic? It doesn't. And then there's the memes following the offtopic football discussions.
What did those have anything to do with god. Nothing.
Then you ranted about moderator deleting posts and allowing trolling. What trolling? The off topic trolling of yours was deleted. The only posts being deleted were the non-related football posts.
How is it absurd that science was one of the many causes? An airstrike is caused by people who used scientifically made items. It's an airstrike, airstrike uses whatever concoction of chemicals, gases, technology, etc. to create a chemical reaction which led to the picture he posted. Which all is part of science.
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Let's break apart this flimsy argument....
How is it absurd that science was one of the many causes? An airstrike is caused by people who used scientifically made items. It's an airstrike, airstrike uses whatever concoction of chemicals, gases, technology, etc. to create a chemical reaction which led to the picture he posted. Which all is part of science.
1. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Remember that argument that you support so much? Well, science doesn't kill people, people kill people. You are wrong on one of those argument. We can stop here, but let's keep going...
2. You don't know understand what science is. Look up the definition of science, and see if it supports you. But even if you think it supports you...
3. If you are right about the science argument, you disprove God. So which is it?
4. If God is the creator of all things, then he also created science. So, God is still responsible. Your argument still doesn't make any sense.
So you see, even if you think you are right, you are wrong on something else. Thus, hmgrock wins this argument by default because you made such an absurd argument.
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But your posts about things not related to the thread are not deleted. Do you know what hypocrisy is?
1. And the posts relating to it was deleted as well. It's not like only your posts was deleted.
2. I deleted the meme ones as well.
3. He said allah probably caused it. And I said science.
If you want to talk go for it.
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For the record, the age of a team is his idea that makes no sense to me. The guy acts like his old jokes are something that was important.
Fd just happened to put an end to his stupid asking of "which team is younger" hoopla
As for the thread, it went fine till bulbasux starting to stray n now crying foul play. All you have to do is repost what you say last to piss him off. :2funny:
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So the age of a team make no sense to you? Well, you should know that this idea was Fetish's idea. HAHAHAHA.
Your attempt to troll has failed. :2funny:
For the record, the age of a team is his idea that makes no sense to me. The guy acts like his old jokes are something that was important.
Fd just happened to put an end to his stupid asking of "which team is younger" hoopla
As for the thread, it went fine till bulbasux starting to stray n now crying foul play. All you have to do is repost what you say last to piss him off. :2funny:
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Let's break apart this flimsy argument....
How is it absurd that science was one of the many causes? An airstrike is caused by people who used scientifically made items. It's an airstrike, airstrike uses whatever concoction of chemicals, gases, technology, etc. to create a chemical reaction which led to the picture he posted. Which all is part of science.
1. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Remember that argument that you support so much? Well, science doesn't kill people, people kill people. You are wrong on one of those argument. We can stop here, but let's keep going...
2. You don't know understand what science is. Look up the definition of science, and see if it supports you. But even if you think it supports you...
3. If you are right about the science argument, you disprove God. So which is it?
4. If God is the creator of all things, then he also created science. So, God is still responsible. Your argument still doesn't make any sense.
So you see, even if you think you are right, you are wrong on something else. Thus, hmgrock wins this argument by default because you made such an absurd argument.
How he wins by default?
He asked where is god and has a pix if the aftermath of an air strike.
Vague and you declared him the winner? So you are saying that an invisible God of your standard to pull that trigger?
I'll whoop your azz in 3 moves but on the phone where it is tedious wk to type, I'll go ez on u n slow play till perfection.
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So the age of a team make no sense to you? Well, you should know that this idea was Fetish's idea. HAHAHAHA.
Your attempt to troll has failed. :2funny:
Fd idea huh?
That questioned was asked moons ago and made no cot daymn sense and i have seen you recycled that stupid joke over and over again. You get no reply because it does not make sense to any if us. By the way, the younger team starts later like how you starts later than your predecessor. Still makes no sense to how it ties in with the conversation at hand.
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Hmmm, let's break THIS down, too....
0. How is football related to the topic again? Notice how I separated the topic response from all the other issues you keep complaining about? Now ask yourself, which one of us keeps bring back football? Hey look, Duma is talking about football, too. :2funny:
1. Did I say science kill? Nope. Actually, yes.
2. Doesn't appear like you know it either. I do. And in any scenario, it doesn't help you. Notice that you didn't defend your argument.
3. How so? Say one thing without actually explaining it. Notice that you didn't defend your argument.
4. How can HMGRock be right that God is the cause if he believes God doesn't exist? He is right by default because your argument is so awful.
It doesn't make any sense now does it? hmgrock doesn't make any sense, but you make less sense.
You don't know what "default" means.
I don't support hmgrock. I am just saying that your argument is more absurd.
Since you like bringing in other topics into discussions.
How is football related to the topic again?
1. Did I say science kill? Nope. I pointed out that science is one of the cause as HMGRock even said airstrike, which was created using science. Was it not?
2. Doesn't appear like you know it either.
3. How so? Say one thing without actually explaining it.
4. How can HMGRock be right that God is the cause if he believes God doesn't exist? You can't believe one caused it and also believe that one doesn't exist. It doesn't make any sense now does it?
So lets go back to that fourth one since you want to support hmgrock. How can God be the blame if you don't believe in God in the first place. So Thus he can't win "by default." By default, in his own terms. It's not possible.
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Your attempt to troll has failed. Everything you whine about is related to Fetish, not me. :2funny:
Fd idea huh?
That questioned was asked moons ago and made no cot daymn sense and i have seen you recycled that stupid joke over and over again. You get no reply because it does not make sense to any if us. By the way, the younger team starts later like how you starts later than your predecessor. Still makes no sense to how it ties in with the conversation at hand.
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Yes, he wins by default. His argument is awful, but the counter-arguments are worse. Let's look at a different example...
Person 1: The Moon is made up of many different kinds of gases.
Person 2: No, the Moon is made up of cheese.
Okay, they are both wrong, but one is definitely crazier than the other.
How he wins by default?
He asked where is god and has a pix if the aftermath of an air strike.
Vague and you declared him the winner? So you are saying that an invisible God of your standard to pull that trigger?
I'll whoop your azz in 3 moves but on the phone where it is tedious wk to type, I'll go ez on u n slow play till perfection.
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Hmmm, let's break THIS down, too....
0. How is football related to the topic again? Notice how I separated the topic response from all the other issues you keep complaining about? Now ask yourself, which one of us keeps bring back football? Hey look, Duma is talking about football, too. :2funny:
1. Did I say science kill? Nope. Actually, yes.
2. Doesn't appear like you know it either. I do. And in any scenario, it doesn't help you. Notice that you didn't defend your argument.
3. How so? Say one thing without actually explaining it. Notice that you didn't defend your argument.
4. How can HMGRock be right that God is the cause if he believes God doesn't exist? He is right by default because your argument is so awful.
It doesn't make any sense now does it? hmgrock doesn't make any sense, but you make less sense.
You don't know what "default" means.
I don't support hmgrock. I am just saying that your argument is more absurd.
Im not starting about football. I am ending it and showed you how stupid you looked for asking dumb questions out of the moon about younger team and what not.
Your arguments are flawed but knowing u n how you performed around here, just post up your previous reply and the bickering will stop. Fd stopped didn't it? :2funny:
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Your attempt to troll has failed. Everything you whine about is related to Fetish, not me. :2funny:
Conversations so bad, you n rock still thinks that God did it. To add insult to injury, our conversation is brought to you by God who brought us all together because he can n did it just as pretty. :2funny:
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For a person who accuses others of dodging, you are the one who ignored 0-3! But, I am a nice guy, so here it goes...
4. He is not right; you are simply "more wrong." Just because someone is wrong, that doesn't mean that you are right. You both have the wrong answer, but your answer is more outrageous.
4.5. How is that in anyway an answer to the question? I said he wasn't right. Is that not clear enough for you?
4. How can HMGRock be right that God is the cause if he believes God doesn't exist? He is right by default because your argument is so awful.
So my argument is awful and makes less sense.. You didn't even provide one to my question. You just ignored it.
How is that in anyway an answer to the question? That's dodging the question.
I've seen it as well.
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Reading comprehension is important.
Conversations so bad, you n rock still thinks that God did it. To add insult to injury, our conversation is brought to you by God who brought us all together because he can n did it just as pretty. :2funny:
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Reading comprehension is important.
That is subjective as it is only important to the believer.
Animals do not read but still get the job done ha :2funny:
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I guess I should have clarified, when I say hmgrock is "right," that only means he wins this argument. Your arguments are so bad, that he is not even replying, and he is winning. You are talking yourself into a loss.
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I guess I should have clarified, when I say hmgrock is "right," that only means he wins this argument. Your arguments are so bad, that he is not even replying, and he is winning. You are talking yourself into a loss.
Wrong son. We are not arguing about him. We are arguing about you. If he wins like you said then that makes u a sad loser. :2funny:
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Reading comprehension is important.
Wrong son. We are not arguing about him. We are arguing about you. If he wins like you said then that makes u a sad loser. :2funny:
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*yawns*
1. "By default" means "without opposition." Your argument poses no opposition to his. hmgrock's argument hold extremely little validity, but extremely little is better than none. Your argument has none.
2. You can go into court, not present a strong argument, and still win because the opposition made such a poor argument. In fact, it has happened quite a bit. Watch Judge Judy (she's not a real judge, but it still works). Some people don't say anything; the other person will simply talk their way into guilt.
3. So.. We're both wrong. But you declare him the victor. Huh. How does that work? Refer to the Moon Argument.
4. So first you say he won by default. Then you say he won because I was more wrong. Then you say the bolded statement. making up imaginary rules to declare him the victor? All those things are true and not exclusive from each other. He did win by default because you are more wrong. Your argument pose no opposition to his. Plus, these are not "imaginary rules." These are actually debate rules. hmgrock posed a claim. He supported it (poorly). You posted a counter-claim that doesn't actually debunk his. Guess what? He wins.
How does he win again? "By default" is all you keep referring to.
Must be the first time you see his post. He doesn't defend himself often. How do you win when you don't even defend your own claim? You forfeit that round.
But hey that's new logic for me. "I can win by not replying back with counter-arguments." Let me go try that in court see if it works.
So.. We're both wrong. But you declare him the victor. Huh. How does that work? If we're both wrong, we both loss. How do you win if you are wrong yourself? Or are you saying 2 wrongs make a right?
So first you say he won by default. Then you say he won because I was more wrong. Then you say the bolded statement.
making up imaginary rules to declare him the victor?
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So let's go back to the "Moon Argument."
Why is Person 2 "more wrong," and why does Person 1 win by default?
As crazy as it is to think that the Moon is made up of mostly gases, the alternative argument is clearly impossible. We know that celestial bodies can be gaseous, but there is absolutely no evidence that any celestial body is made of cheese. We actually know what the Moon is made of, so both ideas are wrong. But if we are only given these two options, the first option is better than the second because the second argument is just outright absurd.
Relating back the topic, both arguments are weak. But, one is clearly more absurd than the other.
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So let's go back to the "Moon Argument."
Why is Person 2 "more wrong," and why does Person 1 win by
default?
As crazy as it is to think that the Moon is made up of mostly gases, the alternative argument is clearly impossible. We know that celestial bodies can be gaseous, but there is absolutely no evidence that any celestial body is made of cheese. We actually know what the Moon is made of, so both ideas are wrong. But if we are only given these two options, the first option is better than the second because the second argument is just outright absurd.
Relating back the topic, both arguments are weak. But, one is clearly more absurd than the other.
You need to learn that there is no such thing as a worst answer. All questions are just as important as all replies are just as great.
Trump or Hilary, the worst or the worst of the worst? Either way, one worst will win whether you care or not.
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Reading comprehension is important.
You need to learn that there is no such thing as a worst answer. All questions are just as important as all replies are just as great.
Trump or Hilary, the worst or the worst of the worst? Either way, one worst will win whether you care or not.
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where is god?
why are these stuff going unnoticed by him?
470,000 estimated death so far!!!
little kids being killed in airstrike
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/world/middleeast/death-toll-from-war-in-syria-now-470000-group-finds.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/world/middleeast/death-toll-from-war-in-syria-now-470000-group-finds.html?_r=0)
Casualties of the Syrian Civil War. Estimates of deaths in the Syrian Civil War, per opposition activist groups, vary between 250,000 and 470,000. On 23 April 2016, the United Nations and Arab League Envoy to Syria put out an estimate of 400,000 that had died in the war.
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So you are saying that you are not even halfway there? :idiot2:
You are not helping your argument.
Knowing is only half the battle.
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SPAM! Give this person a warning! :2funny:
Knowing is only half the battle.
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Notice that the people who are against hmgrock have dropped ALL their arguments. They prefer to attack users or go off topic. This is the reason why hmgrock wins. It is a moot victory, but a victory nonetheless. Just a sad day for Christianity.
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annoymouse
where is your god?
why is stuff like these going unnotice by him?
470,000 death so far
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If you want to show that your argument is the better one, then prove it. Don't complain about it. I already illustrated all the problems with your argument, and you don't even deny it. So what is your problem?
By your own clarifications . He dropped his arguments since he never replied back. So he forfeit. Thus he loses.
But I guess. You'll make up some new imaginary rule to keep him the victor right?
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Not knowing means you have a long way to go in the battle. Yup. :2funny:
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See, this is why your argument loses to hmgrock. He never said he prayed to science or cops. Knowing is half the battle, and you don't know what he is saying.
My god is all around the world.
Things happen because of free will. They aren't going unnoticed.
Where is your science or the cops you claim you pray to.
Why is this stuff going unnoticed by them?
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My god is all around the world.
Things happen because of free will. They aren't going unnoticed.
Where is your science or the cops you claim you pray to.
Why is this stuff going unnoticed by them?
jesus say:
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I have come that they may have life, and have it in all its fullness. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.
the sheep (aka the syrian people) are being killed by airstrike and etc.....
where is the shepherd?
where is god?
why isn't he helping the syrian people?
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They aren't imaginary rules; they are basic logic and debate rules. Don't hate the playa, hate the game.
If we go by stuff people have said in other threads, you would definitely be wrong. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Using that logic, Science doesn't kill people, people kill people. No matter how to look at it, you are wrong somewhere.
You can debate in any manner you like. That doesn't mean you make any sense.
And I countered back and you resorted to imaginary rules no one agreed upon. Funny how he didn't do any of this and you declare him the victor. Even by your own rules he loss, but you declare him a victor.
ironic. Making up rules to help him and he still loses.
He said it in another thread. And if you're going to say it's invalid. You did the same thing with the gun debate and the nonsense football stuff.
I also don't recall anyone saying that you got to decide what rules we argue by.
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Because I am such a nice guy, I'll make the argument that anonymouse should have made. He may not learn anything from all of this, but maybe someone out there might learn something from reading this....
In the Book of Job, God allowed Satan to do whatever he wanted to Job except kill him. His response, "The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away; may the name of the Lord be praised." The Bible clearly insinuates that people should have the same view of God as Job. We are people are not supposed to (or capable) of knowing God's plan, but we are supposed to put our faith in God.
So why do bad things happen to good people? Or, why do good things happen to bad people? There are several passages stating that no one is righteous. And, there are several passages stating the mercy of God. I would list them, but that can be your homework.
See. It's not that hard to show up hmgrock's argument. I even threw in a Bible lesson for you.
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*yawns*
See above. Compare your argument against mine. Same claim, but your argument is trash.
And we agreed that we are having a "basic logic and debate"? Don't recall anyone saying so.
When people play a game. They agree to play the game. We never agreed to such a thing. Therefore, no game to begin with.
You were the one who all of a sudden decided, oh yes, we're debating. Oh and we play by these rules because I said so.
And you can throw in whatever rules you want, it doesn't mean he's the victor.
Even by your accounts, he loss. If you do play by those rules, they go to everyone, not just one person. Kind of ironic how you only apply the rules to one side.
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If you don't believe he exists, how do you know if he does such a thing?
How do you asks why he isn't doing something if you don't even believe he exists in the first place?
Or are you now declaring that you believe God does exist?
You keep posing questions and not answers.
you know why i know he isn't doing anything
(http://i.ndtvimg.com/i/2015-09/syrian-boy-drowns-650-afp_650x400_51441283742.jpg)
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02230/syriaDead_2230859b.jpg)
it's all over the internet if you wanna look at more picture
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*yawns*
See thread. Your need to make up imaginary rules in a non-agreed upon "debate" is bitter garbage.
How do you know if you don't believe he exist?
Remember what I initially said. Do you want to have a discussion or are you just trying to mock theism. Cause you're not trying to have a discussion as seen by you ignoring questions and posts. All you do is pose questions and posts claims to mock God.
i am not mocking anything, bro
i don't curse or swear
my paragraph only consist of short 4-5 sentence
Where is god?
why are these stuff going unnoticed by him?
it's 5 years now into the war
don't you think he would have noticed
god is absence
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Not really rules. It's logic. If you are contradicting yourself, you are illogical. If you don't actually defend your beliefs, that's illogical. At no point in your argument did you defend God or your beliefs. But look, I did it for you. You're welcome. :2funny:
Your need to make up imaginary rules in a non-agreed upon "debate" is bitter garbage.
How do you know if you don't believe he exist?
Remember what I initially said. Do you want to have a discussion or are you just trying to mock theism. Cause you're not trying to have a discussion as seen by you ignoring questions and posts. All you do is pose questions and posts claims to mock God.
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So. Do you want a discussion? Cause I answered your other question but you ignored mine.
I'll ask another one.
If you believe God doesn't exist, How can you blame such things on him or question why he didn't do anything?
Is this just a thread for you to rant about god. If so. Go on ahead. I'll leave you be and let you rant about god. But if you want to have a discussion. Have the discussion rather than posing questions and ignoring what someone else says.
So what do you want. A discussion or a place to rant about god? Yea it's another question, but what do you want out of this.
my relatives lives in the farm
if one of the animal start going crazy and killing other animal
he would go ahead and kill that animal or sperate it from the other animal
he noticed and step in and fix the problem
we are god children, right?
after looking at those photographic proof, i think it is a good time to step in
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Damn kid, there are logic rules. Stop getting hung up on semantics. That is why you don't see the problem with your "Guns don't kill" argument. Go look up logic rules. Go educate yourself. You're still young and in school, so take advantage that.
And if you are too lazy to educate yourself, do you really believe your argument is better than mine? We argued the same thing, but which is better?
I said from the start that you may not learn, and it's apparently true.
You said they were rules. Now you're saying they aren't really rules, instead they are logic.
And uh thanks, I guess.
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I am God's child. And so are others.
I don't know if you are. Not saying I don't believe you are. I believe you are too.
But you don't believe he exists. Which begs to question, how can you be his child if you believe he doesn't exist.
i am my parent's child
i was born from thousand of other sperm (dad) trying to reach the egg(mom)
out of all those sperm, i was the fastest swimmer
you should read the "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep" verse
sheep are being killed by other sheep
where is the shepherd?
why isn't he keeping an eye on his flock
why is it going unnoticed by the shepherd
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*yawns*
Reading comprehension is important. You just mad that you are losing a debate to hmgrock.
Between the all of us, you are the most inconsistent. Heck, you are outright contradicting yourself. You are confusing yourself with semantics.
So now you resort to calling someone a kid and lazy. Isn't it always said that you lose when you resort to such tactics?
You just said they aren't really rules, they are logic.
Now you're saying they are logic rules. Wouldn't have to argue semantics if you were consistent.
Funny how you keep changing how you define what they are.
One post they are rules. One post they are logic. One they are both.
Go look up consistency. As bad as you claim my argument to be, atleast I stuck by it. I'm consistently bad. ha.
I didn't make up rules and change definitions on the fly.
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you are your parent's child (which I don't doubt).
Are you denying being God's child?
Because you asked "we are god children, right?"
according to your belief
we are all gods child
if your child is misbehaving badly won't you step in?
imma put it in simpy wording so everyone can understand
i don't believe in god
because we have yet to see this dude
other than, believe....., just believe
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according to your belief
we are all gods child
if your child is misbehaving badly won't you step in?
imma put it in simpy wording so everyone can understand
i don't believe in god
because we have yet to see this dude
other than, believe....., just believe
How old are you now?
You are your parent's child and if you misbehave now, wouldn't your parents step on in?
The answer is absolutely not. Why? :2funny:
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You want to talk about consistency. Well, look in the mirror...
You wrote, "Did I say science kill? Nope."
And you wrote, "Science caused this."
You are so caught up with everyone and everything else, you fail to realize how awful your argument is. You are so confused on what logic is, and you rather argue that. Are there rules or aren't there rules? Are there debate rules or aren't there debate rules? Does logic have rules or not? In the end, if you don't want to follow the rules of logic or debate, then fine. However, don't delude yourself that you made a sensible argument.
And you shouldn't worry too much about being illogical. A study has shown that a good portion of the population lack basic logic. You at least have company.
So now you resort to calling someone a kid and lazy. Isn't it always said that you lose when you resort to such tactics?
You just said they aren't really rules, they are logic.
Now you're saying they are logic rules. Wouldn't have to argue semantics if you were consistent.
Funny how you keep changing how you define what they are.
One post they are rules. One post they are logic. One they are both.
Go look up consistency. As bad as you claim my argument to be, atleast I stuck by it. I'm consistently bad. ha.
I didn't make up rules and change definitions on the fly.