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Title: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: hmgROCK on November 27, 2018, 11:29:15 PM
Getting pretty serious down there
Saw the US tossing out tear gases on the news
Just a matter of time till it’s all out open hunting season at the border

This are just poor and hungry folks
Escaping violence and poverty

No heart at all
Lack of compassion for others
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: Gucci K on November 28, 2018, 08:01:17 AM
hmgrock...what news channel were you watching, Faux News?

LOL...those migrants got lucky, if you should ask...better tear gas than bullets.  i suppose you use pepper spray for home protection?

Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: hmgROCK on November 28, 2018, 08:01:42 AM
becoming an uncaring nation

(https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2018_48/2658901/181126-tijuana-mexico-border-cs-220p_42c864a612d0f11b2aca0b1f757e14dc.fit-760w.jpg)
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: hmgROCK on November 28, 2018, 08:02:58 AM
hmgrock...what news channel were you watching, Faux News?

LOL...those migrants got lucky, if you should ask...better tear gas than bullets.  i suppose you use pepper spray for home protection?

i don't watch CNN or FOX NEWS
just my local news channel
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: Gucci K on November 28, 2018, 08:21:30 AM
i don't watch CNN or FOX NEWS
just my local news channel
so your thought, these people got gassed for nothing?
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: hmgROCK on November 28, 2018, 08:37:15 AM
so your thought, these people got gassed for nothing?

dude

i'm deeply disturbed by the image
see these poor hungry folks getting gassed at
becoming an UNCARING nation


i know alot of PH member here sing the same tone
BUT HMGROCK......t hey are illegal
....THAN.....get some social worker/office people there to do the paperwork
duhhhhhh
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don't need to be a rocket science
sheesh, i can figure this out
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: tRouBLe on November 28, 2018, 09:13:09 AM
hmgRock, you must be selective reading/listening only.  Do you understand why troops were sent to the border?  Do you understand why tear gas was used and what caused it to be used?

So, why do you have so many guns?  I know it’s not for hunting purposes only.  Why won’t you allow people to live on your property and use your resources?  No need to respond to my last question because you already proved my point in another thread.   ;D 
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: theking on November 28, 2018, 09:40:55 AM
Getting pretty serious down there
Saw the US tossing out tear gases on the news
Just a matter of time till it’s all out open hunting season at the border

This are just poor and hungry folks
Escaping violence and poverty

No heart at all
Lack of compassion for others

hmgrock...what news channel were you watching, Faux News?

LOL...those migrants got lucky, if you should ask...better tear gas than bullets.  i suppose you use pepper spray for home protection?



dude

i'm deeply disturbed by the image
see these poor hungry folks getting gassed at
becoming an UNCARING nation


i know alot of PH member here sing the same tone
BUT HMGROCK......t hey are illegal
....THAN.....get some social worker/office people there to do the paperwork
duhhhhhh
[/color]

don't need to be a rocket science
sheesh, i can figure this out


so your thought, these people got gassed for nothing?

LOVE IT !!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: theking on November 28, 2018, 09:42:56 AM
hmgRock, you must be selective reading/listening only.  Do you understand why troops were sent to the border?  Do you understand why tear gas was used and what caused it to be used?

So, why do you have so many guns?  I know it’s not for hunting purposes only.  Why won’t you allow people to live on your property and use your resources?  No need to respond to my last question because you already proved my point in another thread.   ;D

Pretty sure he'll back pedal even though we saw you "proved" him wrong...then he'll start crying about how we are "ganging up" on him... ::)
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: Dok_Champa on November 28, 2018, 10:15:17 AM
Again, I have mixed feelings w/ this whole situation.  It's not going to go away any time soon. 
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: hmgROCK on November 28, 2018, 10:20:15 AM
hmgRock, you must be selective reading/listening only.  Do you understand why troops were sent to the border?  Do you understand why tear gas was used and what caused it to be used?

So, why do you have so many guns?  I know it’s not for hunting purposes only.  Why won’t you allow people to live on your property and use your resources?  No need to respond to my last question because you already proved my point in another thread.   ;D

I’m not doing selective hearing
Only hearing one side of the story

I am a concerned US citizens

I will address your questions


1.  No need to send troops, we have US border and customs. Troop are for war. If they need more people, just hire more
2. Same thing for police, no need for troop because we got police

As written in the US constitution
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: hmgROCK on November 28, 2018, 10:25:31 AM
Again, I have mixed feelings w/ this whole situation.  It's not going to go away any time soon.

Illegal immigration are just people without paperwork
Why not send your social worker/office people to file paperwork ???
this is sooo eassssy,,,,,candy

One of relatives just become a US citizens
He did some paperwork and pay like $500 something


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.
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The real reason is because hatred, dislike, racism, etc... all that jazz
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: Gucci K on November 28, 2018, 11:23:25 AM
I’m not doing selective hearing
Only hearing one side of the story

I am a concerned US citizens

I will address your questions


1.  No need to send troops, we have US border and customs. Troop are for war. If they need more people, just hire more
2. Same thing for police, no need for troop because we got police

As written in the US constitution
we have thousand, probably millions of people wanting to come to the US.  how are we supposed to give these people preferential treatment when they are coming illegally into the US.  How are you going to protect your case workers, when they bumrush the border, throw rocks at them and/or become violent.  These people want to come in but have no regards for our laws. 

your argument is fruitless, when you speak of compassion but lacked common sense.
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: Gucci K on November 28, 2018, 11:29:07 AM
LOVE IT !!! ;D ;D ;D
LOL...you have to love DTrump, if not for being right and protecting you from violent illegal immigrants, at least for sucking on his D and B's! ha!
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: DuMa on November 28, 2018, 11:37:10 AM
The difference between them and us refugee is that we followed the law, had sponsorship and here we are. 

Then again, had our country was boarders, we would bone rush the boarder just like they would.  I'd say some, not all.  I'd still go the legal route cuz I wanted to put my contribution to this country if they give me papers.   



Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: hmgROCK on November 28, 2018, 12:26:05 PM
we have thousand, probably millions of people wanting to come to the US.  how are we supposed to give these people preferential treatment when they are coming illegally into the US.  How are you going to protect your case workers, when they bumrush the border, throw rocks at them and/or become violent.  These people want to come in but have no regards for our laws. 

your argument is fruitless, when you speak of compassion but lacked common sense.

I am hunter
We just got done with our gun deer season
Most of my kills over the years have been center mass

These deers even after being shot can still run for a good 50-100 yards or more

My point is
When you are in a survival state
You going do what you have to
The state of mind these people are in is survival mode


Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: hmgROCK on November 28, 2018, 12:35:28 PM
The difference between them and us refugee is that we followed the law, had sponsorship and here we are. 

Then again, had our country was boarders, we would bone rush the boarder just like they would.  I'd say some, not all.  I'd still go the legal route cuz I wanted to put my contribution to this country if they give me papers.


Errr.... no

The Hmong people don’t follow laws
They cross the Mekong river into Thailand border
Where Thailand police round them up and put them into camps

Also

My uncle from Thailand is over staying his VISA
Dude is not going back
Does work in the field during the summer


All these “legal” and “illegal” stuff is just paperwork
Shoot let’s get some office people to file paperwork right????



nothing legal about this 
as told in our hmong story cloth
(https://www.kshs.org/cool/graphics/hmongcloth1lg.jpg)
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: starchaser1989 on November 28, 2018, 01:06:25 PM

Errr.... no

The Hmong people don’t follow laws
They cross the Mekong river into Thailand border
Where Thailand police round them up and put them into camps

Also

My uncle from Thailand is over staying his VISA
Dude is not going back
Does work in the field during the summer


All these “legal” and “illegal” stuff is just paperwork
Shoot let’s get some office people to file paperwork right????


Agree.  The Bible said, Love thy neighbor as thy self.  Like I keep saying, America is 75% Christians and base on this event, America as a whole is very guilty of preaching all this Bible BS to your face because it sound good and seem like the right thing to do, but looking the other way.  Then, they come up with all these excuses and reasoning to explain why.   REALLY, I didn't know God and Jesus uses reasoning and excuses to turn people/followers away, lol.  Use and abuse the Bible/God/Jesus etc, not a good thing if you planning to go to heaven, lmao.  There's going to be a lot of sinners going to hell instead of heaven IMO. 

Like I keep saying, a lot of dem hardcore Christians are the worst sinners there is, lmao.  We all know some of these two face idiots in our circle of life.   
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: tRouBLe on November 28, 2018, 01:12:15 PM
I’m not doing selective hearing
Only hearing one side of the story

I am a concerned US citizens

I will address your questions


1.  No need to send troops, we have US border and customs. Troop are for war. If they need more people, just hire more
2. Same thing for police, no need for troop because we got police

As written in the US constitution

So you choose to hear one side....  ;D

Troops are not always used for war, there are grey areas on when troops can be/have been used.   8)

Being a concerned citizen doesn’t answer my questions.  In order to persuade individuals/people to see/agree with your point of view, you need to be able to support your opinions/ideas.  You tend to change the subject, bring in other issues, or repeat yourself even if it doesn’t apply.  Thanks for the debate or what little of it, that it was.
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: hmgROCK on November 28, 2018, 01:27:42 PM
So you choose to hear one side....  ;D

Troops are not always used for war, there are grey areas on when troops can be/have been used.   8)

Being a concerned citizen doesn’t answer my questions.  In order to persuade individuals/people to see/agree with your point of view, you need to be able to support your opinions/ideas.  You tend to change the subject, bring in other issues, or repeat yourself even if it doesn’t apply.  Thanks for the debate or what little of it, that it was.

your question is about TROOP at the border
I simply info you that we already have a division for that
it's call the US CUSTOM AND BORDER
https://www.cbp.gov/ (https://www.cbp.gov/)
those guy in those green uniform you see on TV

TROOP/military mean purpose is mostly for WAR
they shouldn't be there

i don't have a one sided view
because you already know i own lots of guns
and according to your views  (democrat=don't like guns)

(https://media.breitbart.com/media/2017/07/GettyImages-483355054-640x480.jpg)
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: DuMa on November 28, 2018, 01:30:32 PM

Errr.... no

The Hmong people don’t follow laws
They cross the Mekong river into Thailand border
Where Thailand police round them up and put them into camps

Also

My uncle from Thailand is over staying his VISA
Dude is not going back
Does work in the field during the summer


All these “legal” and “illegal” stuff is just paperwork
Shoot let’s get some office people to file paperwork right????



nothing legal about this 
as told in our hmong story cloth
(https://www.kshs.org/cool/graphics/hmongcloth1lg.jpg)

Did the Hmong bone rush the boarders of America?

The USA government says don't come but you come anyway so you want to blame America at fault?

Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: DuMa on November 28, 2018, 01:34:49 PM
Agree.  The Bible said, Love thy neighbor as thy self.  Like I keep saying, America is 75% Christians and base on this event, America as a whole is very guilty of preaching all this Bible BS to your face because it sound good and seem like the right thing to do, but looking the other way.  Then, they come up with all these excuses and reasoning to explain why.   REALLY, I didn't know God and Jesus uses reasoning and excuses to turn people/followers away, lol.  Use and abuse the Bible/God/Jesus etc, not a good thing if you planning to go to heaven, lmao.  There's going to be a lot of sinners going to hell instead of heaven IMO. 

Like I keep saying, a lot of dem hardcore Christians are the worst sinners there is, lmao.  We all know some of these two face idiots in our circle of life.   

So when you need help, you expect the Christian's god to be your Savior? 

Sure he will, but become a Christian first.  See, there goes your problem.  Dam if you blame and dam if you don't get your way. 
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: hmgROCK on November 28, 2018, 01:40:24 PM
Did the Hmong bone rush the boarders of America?

The USA government says don't come but you come anyway so you want to blame America at fault?

c'mon duma
that' don't make geography sense
because america is an ocean away

you need to open up google map and look
there was no place to go but thailand

as told in our hmong story cloth
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: hmgROCK on November 28, 2018, 01:42:01 PM
So when you need help, you expect the Christian's god to be your Savior? 

Sure he will, but become a Christian first.  See, there goes your problem.  Dam if you blame and dam if you don't get your way.

this is a good quote
it talk about forgive us
in this cases
the migrant trespassing the US

im not a christian.... i just read the the whole book 
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51CYIdMDDvL._SX355_.jpg)
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: theking on November 28, 2018, 01:44:50 PM
LOL...you have to love DTrump, if not for being right and protecting you from violent illegal immigrants, at least for sucking on his D and B's! ha!

No wonder you're the trump disciple that proudly supports lies and fakes and blame women for getting raped...you sure love licking every drop of your masters semen...you also love it when it's "vivid"..when it comes to describing the intimate moments you share with your master while you two are lying naked and he is plugging you in the "ares"... ;D
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: theking on November 28, 2018, 01:48:20 PM
we have thousand, probably millions of people wanting to come to the US.  how are we supposed to give these people preferential treatment when they are coming illegally into the US.  How are you going to protect your case workers, when they bumrush the border, throw rocks at them and/or become violent.  These people want to come in but have no regards for our laws. 

your argument is fruitless, when you speak of compassion but lacked common sense.

I am hunter
We just got done with our gun deer season
Most of my kills over the years have been center mass

These deers even after being shot can still run for a good 50-100 yards or more

My point is
When you are in a survival state
You going do what you have to
The state of mind these people are in is survival mode




LOVE IT!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: tRouBLe on November 28, 2018, 01:49:50 PM
your question is about TROOP at the border
I simply info you that we already have a division for that
it's call the US CUSTOM AND BORDER

those guy in those green uniform you see on TV

TROOP/military mean purpose is mostly for WAR
they shouldn't be there

i don't have a one sided view
because you already know i own lots of guns
and according to your views  (democrat=don't like guns)

You either misunderstood or misread my questions.  I asked you if you knew “why” in both circumstances?  Your replies don’t apply to why they were sent nor why tear gas was used and what caused it to be used.  I already know why, I was only asking if you knew why.   ;D

You informed us yourself that you:  “Only hearing one side of the story”

So that’s why I stated that you chose to hear one side.   ;D

What do you know of my views?  I may be playing devil’s advocate with you.    ;D
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: DuMa on November 28, 2018, 01:55:45 PM
c'mon duma
that' don't make geography sense
because america is an ocean away

you need to open up google map and look
there was no place to go but thailand

as told in our hmong story cloth

Therefore, it is different. 

Y'all ran in fear of prosecution.   The Honduran went passed Mexico to hit the USA. 

Not the same assessment.
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: hmgROCK on November 28, 2018, 01:59:23 PM
You either misunderstood or misread my questions.  I asked you if you knew “why” in both circumstances?  Your replies don’t apply to why they were sent nor why tear gas was used and what caused it to be used.  I already know why, I was only asking if you knew why.   ;D

You informed us yourself that you:  “Only hearing one side of the story”

So that’s why I stated that you chose to hear one side.   ;D

What do you know of my views?  I may be playing devil’s advocate with you.    ;D

Okay let’s clear things up

I say there’s no need to sent troops to the border. You already got a division for that.
The US military is going shoot at those poor hungry folk???

Cmon now

Better off fighting ISIS overseas
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: Yebleng on November 28, 2018, 02:03:11 PM
Those migrants isn't a concern for me. I'm more worried about the falling gas prices, the fall out of GM. 6 plants closing and thousands unemployed.  Consumers aren't spending as much this season making the economy even worse.
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: starchaser1989 on November 28, 2018, 02:07:21 PM
this is a good quote
it talk about forgive us
in this cases
the migrant trespassing the US

im not a christian.... i just read the the whole book 
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51CYIdMDDvL._SX355_.jpg)

No pun intended but.....

Read Matthew 5:39 and Luke 6:29
Also fully understand the true meaning of "Love thy neighbor as thy self"

GOD and JESUS don't have reason and excuses to deny any followers or to judge others.  Therefore you can throw all the trespass, invade, breach, infraction, etc out the door because there's no judging, if they seek refuge you accept according the Gods way.  Its, very clear either you truly believe Christianity or you believe it for your own gain and benefits.  For your own gain and benefits, mean you going to hell bruh....lmao.

People like to find faith in Christianity and the Bible after many year of doing the opposite and/or murder someone, etc and truly think they still going to go heaven. Is it really that simple, REALLY.  I can rape women, kill and murder little children today and still go to heaven....all I got to do is just put faith in God and Jesus at the end of my final days of life, are you serious. If the prison priest tells all the inmate they all going to hell with or without putting faith in God, HELL would break loose....lmao.

Although we will never know what the true outcome of heaven, asking for forgiveness after you F up mean you pretty much kinda blew your odds for going to heaven.  Too many time of F-ing up mean you going to hell, lol. Those forgiveness ain't gonna cut it IMO.  Although forgiveness is what people would like you to believe and bet on, but IMHO, you going to hell.  Hey but y'all do what y'all want to do, this is just IMO, lol.
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: DuMa on November 28, 2018, 02:13:42 PM
No pun intended but.....

Read Matthew 5:39 and Luke 6:29
Also fully understand the true meaning of "Love thy neighbor as thy self"

GOD and JESUS don't have reason and excuses to deny any followers or to judge others.  Therefore you can throw all the trespass, invade, breach, infraction, etc out the door because there's no judging, if they seek refuge you accept according the Gods way.  Its, very clear either you truly believe Christianity or you believe it for your own gain and benefits.  For your own gain and benefits, mean you going to hell bruh....lmao.

People like to find faith in Christianity and the Bible after many year of doing the opposite and/or murder someone, etc and truly think they still going to go heaven. Is it really that simple, REALLY.  I can rape women, kill and murder little children today and still go to heaven....all I got to do is just put faith in God and Jesus at the end of my final days of life, are you serious. If the prison priest tells all the inmate they all going to hell with or without putting faith in God, HELL would break loose....lmao.

Although we will never know what the true outcome of heaven, asking for forgiveness after you F up mean you pretty much kinda blew your odds for going to heaven.  Too many time of F-ing up mean you going to hell, lol. Those forgiveness ain't gonna cut it IMO.  Although forgiveness is what people would like you to believe and bet on, but IMHO, you going to hell.  Hey but y'all do what y'all want to do, this is just IMO, lol.

Them migrants invading another man country, are they not trespassing?



Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: starchaser1989 on November 28, 2018, 02:20:43 PM
Them migrants invading another man country, are they not trespassing?

Like I said, Go read Matthew 5:39 and Luke 6:29  it cover invade, lmao.
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: DuMa on November 28, 2018, 02:29:39 PM
Like I said, Go read Matthew 5:39 and Luke 6:29  it cover invade, lmao.

You go ahead and show them the Bible and tell them to stay behind the line.
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: Mr_Mechanic on November 28, 2018, 02:30:45 PM
where's the popcorn at??
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: DuMa on November 28, 2018, 02:39:32 PM
where's the popcorn at??

You want it made in America or Mexico?  Butter, you need to go to Honduras for that. 
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: tRouBLe on November 28, 2018, 02:43:52 PM
Okay let’s clear things up

I say there’s no need to sent troops to the border. You already got a division for that.
The US military is going shoot at those poor hungry folk???

Cmon now

Better off fighting ISIS overseas

Ok, let’s make this simpler so that you can respond with what I’m asking  ;D:

“Why were troops sent there?”

Don’t give me your opinion of what you think should have been done.  Give me the reasoning behind why they were sent there, because there is a reason or reasons to this action.
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: Dok_Champa on November 28, 2018, 02:50:46 PM
Ok, so I came across an article about the Migrant Caravan

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/10/24/migrant-caravan/1747721002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/10/24/migrant-caravan/1747721002/)

AND this got me thinking:
 1) The migrant caravan is organized by a group or group(s) and not just random people coming together.  The purpose:   to show the world, especially US, the atrocity happening in their home country

 2) Why:  seeking intervention & resolution

3) Along the way, some migrants join the bandwagon thinking it's their ticket to the US

4)  But the people that started the migrant caravan - they never intended to settle in the US..but rather a political move to be heard on the issues at home.


I don't know if the US can be the policemen of the world- because sometime we've got enough problems of our own.  But at the same time, the US is that beacon of light for many people in the world.

Just sharing my thoughts.
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: theking on November 28, 2018, 05:13:15 PM

Errr.... no

The Hmong people don’t follow laws
They cross the Mekong river into Thailand border
Where Thailand police round them up and put them into camps


"Errr.... no"

The U.S. and Thai governments already agree to set up those refugee camps to help the Hmong refugees....so those of us that earned it within that time frame did in fact, " follow" the "laws"....

What's next? Lie and say you were there and have personally experienced the hardship again??  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: theking on November 28, 2018, 05:35:33 PM
Troop are for war.

TROOP/military mean purpose is mostly for WAR
they shouldn't be there

"Errr.... no"

...They follow what ever orders are given to them...and that includes border support...

(https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2017/09/howyoucanhelp-1024x683.jpg)

(http://static-28.sinclairstoryline.com/resources/media/ac95f685-cbe0-4035-b477-453e27ab41bc-large16x9_150820AEN604610.jpg?1533574585675)

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Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: YeejKoob13 on November 28, 2018, 05:41:29 PM
Those Mexicans and Central Americans coming to seek asylum are mostly catholics, and thus are Christians. Unless you don’t count that denomination as christians then you have a point.

One would think that these right wing anti-immigrants who are mostly white christians would want to help their fellow christians. Weird. Whenever I post this argument on YT these white nationalists always avoid the question as they know it will make them come across as hypocritical.
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: DuMa on November 28, 2018, 05:48:38 PM
Those Mexicans and Central Americans coming to seek asylum are mostly catholics, and thus are Christians. Unless you don’t count that denomination as christians then you have a point.

One would think that these right wing anti-immigrants who are mostly white christians would want to help their fellow christians. Weird. Whenever I post this argument on YT these white nationalists always avoid the question as they know it will make them come across as hypocritical.

Have you not learned that this nation is a nation that now practices the art of separation of church and state?

Just because they are Christian does not mean this nation is bias to help their fellow Christians.  Take a number and wait like the rest and do it legally. 
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: YeejKoob13 on November 28, 2018, 07:54:41 PM
And that’s why christians in america who don’t want to help other christians are hypocrites. Many american christians are very rich. They have the means. But they don’t have the hearts. They don’t have the right principles. They are hypocrites.... They hide under the banner of “oh wait in line, come in legally” when their christian values dictate that they should help. Their values superscede everything else, at least that’s what it should be. And yet here they pick and choose and turn a blind eye to other christians plight.
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: Believe_N_Me on November 29, 2018, 02:19:24 AM
First of all, I have no sympathy for these illegals because they already have a country. If their country is  s.hitty then they're to blame. The Hmong did not have a country. They are a displaced people when giants (those who do have countries) wage war. The Hmong do not ask for war but simply get caught up in it.

Secondly, this whole thing is being orchestrated to cause political social upheaval so socialists like the Democraps can further their agenda. Dumb people like hmgRock fall for this crap. It goes to show that Democraps will send women and children to the front lines of war where they're bound to be injured or killed and then try to demonize those spraying tear gas.

Perhaps I can send a fleet of San Francisco's homeless to park on hmgRock's front lawn and if he so dares asks for them to be removed, call him heartless.

When illegals steal their way into America by caravans, it hurts the poorest Americans the most, like those living in low-income communities.

Funding for social programs and school district decisions always serve whomever is the largest and loudest crowd. That tends to be Latinos and their illegals. Blacks will start seeing their funds drained and going towards bilingual programs. Jobs in the public sector (ex. teachers, social workers, superintendent s, principals, etc.) will start pushing for bilingual speakers (specifically Spanish).

Any Hmong who supports this s.hit show ought to use his own gun, shove it in his mouth and pull the trigger.

Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: Believe_N_Me on November 29, 2018, 02:32:59 AM
Stop with the nonsense about selfish Christians.

Even the kingdom of Heaven has gates that you have to pass. You cannot steal your way in.

There are no illegals in Heaven.

I'm pretty sure there are souls trying to flee Hell and steal their way into Heaven.

The caravan is a Trojan Horse.

Socialism is anti-God at it's very core. Any Christian who embraces socialist ideology is a fool and does not understand how his support only furthers the agenda of Satan.

Through socialism the devil will come to rule.
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: hmgROCK on November 29, 2018, 08:01:06 AM
i'm not a christian
but if i remember correctly
jesus never turn down anyone

so i don't know what you are talking about
even that thief who die with jesus on the cross

maybe you are reading a different book than me
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: Gucci K on November 29, 2018, 08:10:26 AM
I am hunter
We just got done with our gun deer season
Most of my kills over the years have been center mass

These deers even after being shot can still run for a good 50-100 yards or more

My point is
When you are in a survival state
You going do what you have to
The state of mind these people are in is survival mode
LOL...so pretend you're Bambi, there's plenty of food in the forest or where ever you come from but you're gonna force your way through people's fence, eat and live in their vegetable garden...the ultimate outcome of this is that, you get shot..."survival mode" of the dumbest...we'll see how far you can run.
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: theking on November 29, 2018, 09:38:15 AM
First of all, I have no sympathy for these illegals because they already have a country. If their country is  s.hitty then they're to blame. The Hmong did not have a country. They are a displaced people when giants (those who do have countries) wage war. The Hmong do not ask for war but simply get caught up in it.

Secondly, this whole thing is being orchestrated to cause political social upheaval so socialists like the Democraps can further their agenda. Dumb people like hmgRock fall for this crap. It goes to show that Democraps will send women and children to the front lines of war where they're bound to be injured or killed and then try to demonize those spraying tear gas.

Perhaps I can send a fleet of San Francisco's homeless to park on hmgRock's front lawn and if he so dares asks for them to be removed, call him heartless.

When illegals steal their way into America by caravans, it hurts the poorest Americans the most, like those living in low-income communities.

Funding for social programs and school district decisions always serve whomever is the largest and loudest crowd. That tends to be Latinos and their illegals. Blacks will start seeing their funds drained and going towards bilingual programs. Jobs in the public sector (ex. teachers, social workers, superintendent s, principals, etc.) will start pushing for bilingual speakers (specifically Spanish).

Any Hmong who supports this s.hit show ought to use his own gun, shove it in his mouth and pull the trigger.

LOL...so pretend you're Bambi, there's plenty of food in the forest or where ever you come from but you're gonna force your way through people's fence, eat and live in their vegetable garden...the ultimate outcome of this is that, you get shot..."survival mode" of the dumbest...we'll see how far you can run.

i'm not a christian
but if i remember correctly
jesus never turn down anyone

so i don't know what you are talking about
even that thief who die with jesus on the cross

maybe you are reading a different book than me

Stop with the nonsense about selfish Christians.

Even the kingdom of Heaven has gates that you have to pass. You cannot steal your way in.

There are no illegals in Heaven.

I'm pretty sure there are souls trying to flee Hell and steal their way into Heaven.

The caravan is a Trojan Horse.

Socialism is anti-God at it's very core. Any Christian who embraces socialist ideology is a fool and does not understand how his support only furthers the agenda of Satan.

Through socialism the devil will come to rule.

LOVE IT!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: joot on November 29, 2018, 10:15:34 AM
Let's keep this hot topic on a respectable level gentlemen. 

Here's my take:

1.  This caravan issue has been going on for years...when you have ~14 million illegals in the
     country...ther e's an issue with border security and living conditions in countries where these 
     illegals are fleeing from. 

2.  Yes, this country was built from migrants all over the world, I totally get that.  However, this
     country is "great" because it was also built on laws and orders.  Most immigrants came to this
     country through legal means, following immigration laws.  If you drive higher than the speed limit
     on the street, you will be expected to get stopped.  If you trespass onto someone else's
     property, expect to be confronted.  If you steal, expect to be caught, etc...

3.  These "migrants" are economic migrants.  They want a better life.  They expect to find jobs.  They
     expect "their children" will be able to get health care, attend good schools, grow up in a land
     "flowing with milk and honey"...everybody wants that for their families...I get that.  However, you
     got to still follow the law...don't start breaking things, causing riots because you did not get the
     results you want...even Jesus commanded his followers to give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar
     meaning you got to follow the laws.....

4.  I don't know about you folks out there but I fear there will be a class warfare in the near future
    between minority groups and "white supremacy" groups.  There are a lot of white folks buying
    guns left and right.  Not one, two guns but more than 10 or more.  Trump becoming President
    already lifted the faces of "racist" people out there.  Trump empowered, inspired those groups
    more than ever. 

5.  As a minority ourselves, what are we to do?  Keep following the law, keep striving to be a better
     person (a better son, daughter, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, a better husband, a better wife, a
     better dad, a better mom) so that our parents' struggles will not be in vain.  They are the "Moses"
     in our lives...
     
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: starchaser1989 on November 29, 2018, 01:32:21 PM
i'm not a christian
but if i remember correctly
jesus never turn down anyone

so i don't know what you are talking about
even that thief who die with jesus on the cross

maybe you are reading a different book than me

Exactly my point.  If you understand the Bible, it pretty much say, love your neighbor as yourself, if your enemy take and rape your wife and kids, let them rape you too (plain and simple translate in the funny way so y'all can understand, lol). 

If you didn't understand what I just said above in plain clear inappropriate way to the point, then you better rethink your Christian religion because you don't fully understand what you are believing in yet and need some more clarification.  Like I said, don't believe a religion because it sound good or is the right thing to do, you might be believing a F up religion your entire life, to only find out in the end it was all BS.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: Believe_N_Me on November 29, 2018, 07:43:31 PM
i'm not a christian
but if i remember correctly
jesus never turn down anyone

so i don't know what you are talking about
even that thief who die with jesus on the cross

maybe you are reading a different book than me

Jesus doesn't turn down anyone who comes to Him, but narrow is the gate.

It's like public education. Just because you get to enroll in school doesn't guarantee you'll pass the course if you don't do the work that is expected of you.

Jesus wants you to turn to him and "repent".

You don't follow Jesus thinking you can still keep your old ways.

America is a generous nation. You can apply but doesn't mean you're eligible to get in.

Stop distorting the Bible and what it means to be generous.
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: Believe_N_Me on November 29, 2018, 07:53:12 PM
Exactly my point.  If you understand the Bible, it pretty much say, love your neighbor as yourself, if your enemy take and rape your wife and kids, let them rape you too (plain and simple translate in the funny way so y'all can understand, lol). 

If you didn't understand what I just said above in plain clear inappropriate way to the point, then you better rethink your Christian religion because you don't fully understand what you are believing in yet and need some more clarification.  Like I said, don't believe a religion because it sound good or is the right thing to do, you might be believing a F up religion your entire life, to only find out in the end it was all BS.  Good luck.

Wrong. It means don't be a vindictive person. If someone murders your child you are not to take revenge. If you hate someone, you still have to greet them the same way you greet someone you like - it's called civility.

Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: theking on November 29, 2018, 08:07:56 PM
Wrong. It means don't be a vindictive person. If someone murders your child you are not to take revenge. If you hate someone, you still have to greet them the same way you greet someone you like - it's called civility.

Says the HYPOCRITE that threatens to come to SF to find me... ::)

So then how come you're non of those things since you claimed to be a devoted Christian??  ???

Last I heard, you had no problem kicking your own elderly mother to the curb (now that she needs you) even though she sacrificed so much over the years and even gave you the "world" (when you needed her)....What's worst is you squander all that and became "flat broke"... :idiot2:  ;D

You posts are the opposite of "civility"...
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: hmgROCK on November 29, 2018, 08:58:48 PM
DANG

YALL NEED TO STOP BEING SOME SHTTY HUMAN BEING
and show some love for these poor hungry folks at your doorstep
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: hmgROCK on November 29, 2018, 09:02:19 PM
theking is too scared to show his face
but i did found a picture of him on the internet

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQP_kC5JshVBE_F4HvD03eo6Ogu4ly78ZmveaQzgzdp9K-wSjPA)
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: Believe_N_Me on November 29, 2018, 10:07:23 PM
DANG

YALL NEED TO STOP BEING SOME SHTTY HUMAN BEING
and show some love for these poor hungry folks at your doorstep

Sure, it's easy for you to say when it isn't at YOUR doorstep you douchebag. Notice how you even said "your" doorstep?

I'm pretty sure when this brown caravan bum-rushes in, it won't be the Hmong or the Blacks signing up as sponsor families. They will expect who else to do it? White people. They always expect white Christians, to be specific, to sponsor immigrants. To raise funds. To create jobs, etc. etc. etc.



Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: hmgROCK on November 29, 2018, 10:15:01 PM
Sure, it's easy for you to say when it isn't at YOUR doorstep you douchebag. Notice how you even said "your" doorstep?

I'm pretty sure when this brown caravan bum-rushes in, it won't be the Hmong or the Blacks signing up as sponsor families. They will expect who else to do it? White people. They always expect white Christians, to be specific, to sponsor immigrants. To raise funds. To create jobs, etc. etc. etc.


Stop being such a shtty uncaring human being

Jesus never deny anyone
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: theking on November 29, 2018, 11:00:38 PM
theking is too scared to show his face
but i did found a picture of him on the internet

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQP_kC5JshVBE_F4HvD03eo6Ogu4ly78ZmveaQzgzdp9K-wSjPA)

And hmgFRAUD continues to be fraud by failing at his "I'm the hmong Nostradamus and is always right" predictions while continue to live in his "mommy's basement" by being the "fat 40 virgin" and leeching off of her so I found hmgFRAUD and his closest allies because these FRAUDS have no shame in committing frauds either:

(http://www.denverpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/steve-bannon-cartoon-sack.jpg)

Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: theking on November 29, 2018, 11:02:55 PM

YALL NEED TO STOP BEING SOME SHTTY HUMAN BEING

So much for the "I never cuss" fraudulent claim... :idiot2:
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: Believe_N_Me on November 29, 2018, 11:29:06 PM

Stop being such a shtty uncaring human being

Jesus never deny anyone

Sh.itty human beings are those who die by the cancer they carry literally in their butt-hole. You could be next.  >:D

Btw, Jesus will deny. Enabling perverse behavior is not compassion.
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: joot on November 30, 2018, 01:02:07 AM
Gentlemen, gentlemen, did I not said to keep this hot topic discussion to a respectable level?

Let's keep the name calling out of this.

Let's keep Jesus and religion out of this.  This topic is NOT about Jesus or religion at all.  It is not about you being an azewhole or me being a di(c)k.  It is about a very well organized groups of people trying to come over into this country illegally.

There is a time for being compassionate and a time for order and rules of law.  As far as I'm concerned, this "migrant" caravan has nothing to do with being needy for humanitarian reasons. There are thousands of other people groups in far worst humanitarian crisis that are more qualified for seeking asylum.  It is about coming into this country under any means necessary.  You may see the little kids being dragged around and trying to get over the border and such.  I know that it is just a ruse to attract empathy, photographic effect.  It is them thumping up their middle fingers at the rules and laws of this nation.  It is an act of defiance at President Trump.  Imagine if we allow them all in, I guarantee you, more will follow...then what do you do?

Some of you are playing the empathy card but I guarantee you, if a homeless person breaks into your house...you will either call the cops or shoot them down.  I don't think you will accommodate them at all...I will spare them some change and some food but I will NOT allow them into my home where my family is...people need to use their brains sometimes...

What bothers me the most about this "migrant" caravan is the silence of the governments where they are from.  It seems there are no passports requirement, port of entry inspections for these people at all to be able to cross all the way from their home country to the U.S. border.  They made it through without any intervention from the different countries along the way.  You, as a U.S. citizen, can you make it through all those countries without anyone asking you for your photo ID or passport?  Those of you who has been on vacation to Mexico, what are the rules?  Perhaps you can try to explain to the rest of us the requirements?

So, do you see my point?  These are a very well organized groups "testing the waters" to see how far they can go.  I guarantee you, this caravan will not be the first or last to try this.  How do explain the ~14 million illegals living in the U.S.? 


Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: Believe_N_Me on November 30, 2018, 02:07:05 AM
joot,

Since when did PH liberals ever want to have a civil discussion sans emotions? This is why I left civil debate out a long time ago. They'll never open their eyes to see that the caravan is staged by those who want to cause political and social upheaval in America so they can win elections and further their agenda.

I'm sure the families in the caravan are poor migrants who want a better life but many of them would not take this risky journey if they weren't getting help along the way.
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: Believe_N_Me on November 30, 2018, 02:12:00 AM
When the Israelites fled into Egypt they weren't funded by affluent agitators looking to overthrow Pharaoh.

This is nothing but a ploy to put women and children in harm's way so that POTUS Trump will have no choice but to send in troops. Then they can point the finger and say what an awful man. Well then DON'T SEND WOMEN AND CHILDREN TO THE FRONT LINES OF A WAR! The migrant caravan is an obvious sign of a foreign invasion without the military garb.

This caravan further shows just how nasty the Democratic Party is. They will stop at nothing to get their way. They are simply anti-American. They cannot accept our election process and are trying to undermine it. Their supporters are so hateful that they cannot see the errors of their way.

In this country, we are to respect and abide by the law even if our candidate did not win.

This is not some third world country where we shoot and kill our elected leaders just because we didn't vote for him/her.

The Democratic Party has been one antic after another.
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: w1s3m0n on November 30, 2018, 05:20:04 PM
If you understand social science, economics, and behavioral science, what we are seeing is a destruction of America from within.  People have MIX-FEELING because they are being induced with cognitive dissonance.  On one side, our mind says let must follow the laws.  On the other side, our heart says we must have compassion.  This is done on purpose to drive our dissonance.  If we increase our compassion, then we also increase lawlessness.  If we increase our lawfulness then we decrease our compassion.  The whole propaganda is done to cause confusion so we don't look at the real issue, which is powerful people are stealing the wealth of the middle class slowly.  We are like frogs slowly being boiled.

The economic data shows the middle class in the last decade lost about 15% of their net worth.  The middle class who lost their net worth gave way for the lower income people gain about 15%, and the high class gained about 85% from the middle class.  If you know something about economics, what you'll know is 70% of the economic activity is done by the middle class.  The elite people know how to manipulate and so they are gaining by introducing lower income.  The elite need fresh lower income to use as fodder so they can take from the middle class.  It's really that simple.

I know this sounds like a conspiracy and it is not but the whole system is behaving this way.  It's just an observation.  Even the liberal are being used and so are the conservatives.  Wealthy people idealogy is compete for more profit by any means.
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: hmgROCK on November 30, 2018, 11:36:07 PM
Why we got to be such shtibag
And scumbag

Where is the compassion
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: theking on December 02, 2018, 11:57:13 PM
Why we got to be such shtibag
And scumbag

Where is the compassion

Just you and people like you that have zero shame nor "compassion" by going "underground"..to do your deeds....
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: Gucci K on December 03, 2018, 08:29:40 AM
Why we got to be such shtibag
And scumbag

Where is the compassion
your compassion is displaced...yo u can have compassion but you do not need to be fair..there are people far more deserving than these migrants.  what do you think is going to happen if you let these thousands of migrants come through (by way of forcing their way in)?  the next wave is going to be in the MILLIONS (storming through the fence).  We'll be having war at our front lawns than at other countries'...see if they will have compassion for you when they take over your house! 
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: DuMa on December 03, 2018, 08:35:41 AM
Almost feel like a zombie apocalypse invasion on your house doesn't it? 

The zombies be trying new tactics to invade your space.  Dig a tunnel and go through the drug cartels route and bring a brick of cocaine with you. 
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: theking on December 03, 2018, 02:23:34 PM
Why we got to be such shtibag
And scumbag

Where is the compassion

your compassion is displaced...yo u can have compassion but you do not need to be fair..there are people far more deserving than these migrants.  what do you think is going to happen if you let these thousands of migrants come through (by way of forcing their way in)?  the next wave is going to be in the MILLIONS (storming through the fence).  We'll be having war at our front lawns than at other countries'...see if they will have compassion for you when they take over your house! 

LOVE IT!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: Gucci K on December 04, 2018, 08:05:01 AM
LOVE IT!!! ;D ;D ;D
yes..we all know why you "love it"...Trump does too! ha!
Title: Re: Pretty sad what’s going on at the border.... tear gas and everything
Post by: theking on December 04, 2018, 07:32:56 PM
yes..we all know why you "love it"...Trump does too! ha!

Not as much as he loves your ball licking skills the Trump disciple...You r master Trump especially loves the intimate moments you share with him while you two lie "naked"...and very proud of you for also supporting lies and fakes and blaming women for getting raped... ;D