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Title: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: lilly on June 26, 2019, 05:10:43 PM
PHers,
1) What are your thoughts on the length of time it takes to complete a Hmong funeral? 
2) What are your thoughts on the other aspects (the rituals, paper money, sacrificing animals, ua hauv qhua, hais xim, etc) of Hmong funerals?
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: lilly on June 26, 2019, 05:22:52 PM
3. Do you still like the traditional 1-day, 2-day, or 3-day funeral?  Why or why not? 

Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: lilly on June 26, 2019, 05:30:05 PM
My thoughts are:
The traditional 1-day, 2-day, or 3-day funerals are way too time-consuming and costly.  I think everyone should just get cremated when they die.  Cremation is much more economical and environmentall y friendly.  You won't be taking up land anywhere and you'll be cutting down the funeral costs by 90%.  Wouldn't it be much better that your family/kids spend the $15,000-$40,000 they would have otherwise spent on a traditional funeral on a nice vacation for themselves, on a down payment on a nice house, or on other more important things?  Why would you want to burden your love ones with a huge funeral bill and burden them with the stress of planning a long funeral?  Also, how important really, are the other aspects of a Hmong funeral (the rituals, paper money, sacrificing animals, ua hauv qhua, hais xim, etc)?
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: Reporter on June 26, 2019, 05:43:24 PM
All I know is that last time I was at a funeral and asked a lot of questions and they hated me for it.
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: Dok_Champa on June 26, 2019, 05:56:20 PM
Hmong people that still practice the traditional funeral need those long days to complete the entire funeral rituals, i'm thinking.  For Christian funeral, a funeral can last a few hours to a few days w/ exception of keeping the funeral open for 24 hours.
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: ProudLao on June 26, 2019, 08:31:06 PM
PHers,
1) What are your thoughts on the length of time it takes to complete a Hmong funeral? 
2) What are your thoughts on the other aspects (the rituals, paper money, sacrificing animals, ua hauv qhua, hais xim, etc) of Hmong funerals?

1) way too long and too costly
2) I’m okay with the rituals and paper money, etc. I don’t support sacrificing animals.
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: ProudLao on June 26, 2019, 08:32:10 PM
3. Do you still like the traditional 1-day, 2-day, or 3-day funeral?  Why or why not?

One day is fine. Anything after that is just too long.
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: nightrider on June 26, 2019, 09:06:06 PM
My thoughts are:
The traditional 1-day, 2-day, or 3-day funerals are way too time-consuming and costly.  I think everyone should just get cremated when they die.  Cremation is much more economical and environmentall y friendly.  You won't be taking up land anywhere and you'll be cutting down the funeral costs by 90%.  Wouldn't it be much better that your family/kids spend the $15,000-$40,000 they would have otherwise spent on a traditional funeral on a nice vacation for themselves, on a down payment on a nice house, or on other more important things?  Why would you want to burden your love ones with a huge funeral bill and burden them with the stress of planning a long funeral?  Also, how important really, are the other aspects of a Hmong funeral (the rituals, paper money, sacrificing animals, ua hauv qhua, hais xim, etc)?

That's what I think it's best but the older generation prefers the 6' under idea and the traditional funeral. I think it's time consuming, expensive, unsustainable, but this is something that everyone does it. Funeral homes benefit much from this same goes for the poultry industry. 3 days for elderly people is still much better than 7 days or longer. I think this is something that may never change or goes away as the RESPECT & HONOR value is a big factor so deeply rooted in our people. If attitudes change, then it can be shortened. The lives stock slaughter thing, I believe it's all for show only. If we love our love ones, we should love them when they're still alive. Not when they'd come to passed. 2 cows should be enough... When up to 8? That is excessive...   
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: hmgROCK on June 26, 2019, 10:57:38 PM
yea man
it's long
i just went to one this weekend
lots of the first OGie generation are dying

7 cows... BTW


(https://i.imgur.com/ftAmw55.jpg)
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: hmgROCK on June 26, 2019, 11:21:40 PM
I once ask one of those qeej player
Why the funeral are 2-3 days

He say from Wisconsin to laos is 30+ hours
Than another 3-4 hours drive to your village by cars
Back to the birth place
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: SummerBerry on June 27, 2019, 11:24:59 AM
yea man
it's long
i just went to one this weekend
lots of the first OGie generation are dying

7 cows... BTW


(https://i.imgur.com/ftAmw55.jpg)

I went to 2 over the weekend. One was 13 cows. The other one forgot to asked......

Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: YAX on June 27, 2019, 11:35:17 AM
funerals used to be longer.  A few still are.
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: lilly on June 27, 2019, 11:40:52 AM
OMG!  So many cows!  Poor cows!  That is so unnecessary!
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: YAX on June 27, 2019, 11:51:59 AM
OMG!  So many cows!  Poor cows!  That is so unnecessary!
It is when you're paying your workers with beef.  O0
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: hmgROCK on June 27, 2019, 11:59:08 AM
I went to 2 over the weekend. One was 13 cows. The other one forgot to asked......

dayme....
that's alot

not sure if you know
but it's been pretty hot here in the midwest lately
i went up the casket
and i can start to smell death a little bit
:sad3:
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: YAX on June 27, 2019, 12:58:37 PM
 O0
This is not towards anyone in particular but why are you guys complaining about the long days? Laziness?  It's not you doing it so let the family be. If they want 100 cows, let them kill 100 cows. If you want change, then it starts with you. Make your funeral one day for all who cares.  Rituals takes time and the process to do it may take up the whole day. There are times in a traditional funeral that people pause for break too so it's not like they do it ALL day. There are lots of help involved so it's not only one person doing everything, unless they are those egoistic maniac who like to take charge of everything.

maybe it's not them, it's you?
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: hmgROCK on June 27, 2019, 01:15:56 PM
This is not towards anyone in particular but why are you guys complaining about the long days? Laziness?  It's not you doing it so let the family be. If they want 100 cows, let them kill 100 cows. If you want change, then it starts with you. Make your funeral one day for all who cares.  Rituals takes time and the process to do it may take up the whole day. There are times in a traditionalf  funeral that people pause for break too so it's not like they do it ALL day. There are lots of help involved so it's not only one person doing everything, unless they are those egoistic maniac who like to take charge of everything.

maybe it's not them, it's you?

Cmon man
You being unreasonable with your 100 cow

Ain’t nobody is lazy
We are all working
And yes it has been hot here lately in the midwest
And we can start to smell the dead

Heat+dead body= faster decay

In thailand/laos
They fan the fly off the body
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: Mr_Mechanic on June 27, 2019, 01:31:09 PM
This is not towards anyone in particular but why are you guys complaining about the long days? Laziness?  It's not you doing it so let the family be. If they want 100 cows, let them kill 100 cows. If you want change, then it starts with you. Make your funeral one day for all who cares.  Rituals takes time and the process to do it may take up the whole day. There are times in a traditional funeral that people pause for break too so it's not like they do it ALL day. There are lots of help involved so it's not only one person doing everything, unless they are those egoistic maniac who like to take charge of everything.

maybe it's not them, it's you?
and I agree with you.  want change, start with you.  most people here complain cause they keyboard warrior.  don't mind him/her. 
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: blia on June 27, 2019, 02:48:38 PM
Cmon man
You being unreasonable with your 100 cow

Ain’t nobody is lazy
We are all working
And yes it has been hot here lately in the midwest
And we can start to smell the dead

Heat+dead body= faster decay

In thailand/laos
They fan the fly off the body

how is killing many cows being unreasonable? nothing is going to waste, the left over is given to the guests and family members to take home for food. No one is holding a gun to your head to stay if you don't want to. If you want to make things simple, write a will for your own funeral. Maybe it's just a Midwest thing on why some folks are complaining about the process of the funeral. Combining all those rituals into one day would have been more exhausting than breaking it apart into 3 days.
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: blia on June 27, 2019, 02:48:53 PM
Double post
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: hmgROCK on June 27, 2019, 10:46:45 PM
how is killing many cows being unreasonable? nothing is going to waste, the left over is given to the guests and family members to take home for food. No one is holding a gun to your head to stay if you don't want to. If you want to make things simple, write a will for your own funeral. Maybe it's just a Midwest thing on why some folks are complaining about the process of the funeral. Combining all those rituals into one day would have been more exhausting than breaking it apart into 3 days.


Its easy
When you are the one not helping
With your hand in your pocket
Just show up to eat

100 cow is unreasonably
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: hmgROCK on June 27, 2019, 10:53:42 PM
As someone who kill and prep many cows
The stomach and intestines are the hardest
Because you are doing the poop

Those honeycone tendon and stripes
Its all in the stomach
Gotta turn the intestines insideout to wash the poop
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: Reporter on June 28, 2019, 02:42:34 AM
Should have spent that much in loving when the person was still alive.
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: lilly on June 28, 2019, 12:02:19 PM
Should have spent that much in loving when the person was still alive.

I agree.
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: ProudLao on June 28, 2019, 12:41:16 PM
Preach on brother reporter  O0
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: NtsesHnub on November 12, 2021, 02:28:28 PM
I prefer long funerals.  It gives a chance for people to come and pay respect.  Long funerals do take it's toll but there are many people willing to help.  There are other rituals leading up to the funeral as well. 
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: Dok_Champa on November 15, 2021, 08:56:29 AM
The Pandemic has changed how we conduct funerals and some funerals will stick w/ the change pandemic or not.
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: Reporter on November 15, 2021, 10:49:45 AM
 O0 O0

Preach on brother reporter  O0
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: Reporter on November 15, 2021, 10:50:53 AM
One well-known leader's son quickly buried his deceased father without holding a funeral during the pandemic. By the time the relatives knew of his father's death,
the burial was already over with.

Look at how the pandemic has changed our traditions.

The Pandemic has changed how we conduct funerals and some funerals will stick w/ the change pandemic or not.
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: Dok_Champa on November 15, 2021, 11:15:28 AM
One well-known leader's son quickly buried his deceased father without holding a funeral during the pandemic. By the time the relatives knew of his father's death,
the burial was already over with.

Look at how the pandemic has changed our traditions.
Yes I heard and that's too the extreme.  A funeral can take place during the pandemic, witness enough myself.
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: Reporter on November 15, 2021, 11:39:47 AM
Shortening the funeral does not seem to matter. So, perhaps we can shorten other funerals from now on.
Title: Re: The Hmong Way: Long Funerals
Post by: NtsesHnub on November 15, 2021, 04:22:58 PM
NC funerals still going 3 days and sometimes 24/7 if the family chooses.