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Title: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: Pretend_Vanilla on February 11, 2022, 10:56:20 AM
Payment for Order Flow (PFOF)


Robinhood, Webull
(Free-commission brokers)

Routing our buy orders to an off exchange market (dark pool) with no impact on price in the direct market — like the  nasdaq or nyse exchange. So when we buy thur free-commisision apps our buys are not hitting the market. Its goes into dark pool until those shares are filled by Market makers (MM). No one really knows how long these orders are delay. But it comes down to price manipulation.




https://youtu.be/xxyvPFGLLkY

 (https://youtu.be/xxyvPFGLLkY)
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: hmgROCK on February 11, 2022, 11:01:09 AM
Payment for Order Flow (PFOF)


Robinhood, Webull
(Free-commission brokers)

Routing our buy orders to an off exchange market (dark pool) with no impact on price in the direct market — like the  nasdaq or nyse exchange. So when we buy thur free-commisision apps our buys are not hitting the market. Its goes into dark pool until those shares are price match by Market makers (MM). No one really knows how long these orders are delay. But it comes down to price manipulation.




https://youtu.be/xxyvPFGLLkY

 (https://youtu.be/xxyvPFGLLkY)



it doesn't matter
we still getting the underline stock for $45, $50
whatever you buy them for

this is like you putting your money in the bank
and you wondering what they do with your money in the bank
at the end of the day.. you know you still have $50k in your bank

it's pointless

Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: Pretend_Vanilla on February 11, 2022, 11:06:29 AM


it doesn't matter
we still getting the underline stock for $45, $50
whatever you buy them for

this is like you putting your money in the bank
and you wondering what they do with your money in the bank
at the end of the day.. you know you still have $50k in your bank

it's pointless


Somewhat…. you’re just not getting the best price execution. They can short it too if your buys are hold in dark pool.
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: hmgROCK on February 11, 2022, 11:11:34 AM

Somewhat…. you’re just not getting the best price execution. They can short it too if your buys are hold in dark pool.

i'm getting pretty good price... on robinhood
whatever the market is currently
i usually get that price 99% of the time

might be off a couple of cent every now and than
but shyt move so fast
so who knows


Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: hmgROCK on February 11, 2022, 11:11:56 AM

Somewhat…. you’re just not getting the best price execution. They can short it too if your buys are hold in dark pool.

i'm getting pretty good price... on robinhood
whatever the market is currently
i usually get that price 99% of the time

might be off a couple of cent every now and than
but shyt move so fast
so who knows
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: Pretend_Vanilla on February 11, 2022, 11:22:17 AM
i'm getting pretty good price... on robinhood
whatever the market is currently
i usually get that price 99% of the time

might be off a couple of cent every now and than
but shyt move so fast
so who knows


Price can be controlled by Market makers. Price is not guna move up when you buy thur PFOF. Market Maker buy stock xyz .50 cheaper and sell it to you for more. They profit the .50 cent differences. Do this over and over they’re guaranteed to make money all the time.

Money Markets are the wholesalers they’re profiting off retailer investors. They want people to buy and sell often because the volume of shares going through hand exchange — theyre profiting all the time.
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: Pretend_Vanilla on February 11, 2022, 11:29:35 AM
This is how the $GME and $AMC apes were born.  :D :D :D :D



AMC ape here. Anyone in $GME or $AMC??
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: Pretend_Vanilla on February 11, 2022, 11:38:51 AM
You know PFOF is banned in S.Korea, UK, and Canada. We’re just one of the countries that allows it.
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: hmgROCK on February 11, 2022, 11:42:19 AM

Price can be controlled by Market makers. Price is not guna move up when you buy thur PFOF. Market Maker buy stock xyz .50 cheaper and sell it to you for more. They profit the .50 cent differences. Do this over and over they’re guaranteed to make money all the time.

Money Markets are the wholesalers they’re profiting off retailer investors. They want people to buy and sell often because the volume of shares going through hand exchange — theyre profiting all the time.

it doesn't matter what they do in the background
do you go research and ask question about the money you deposit at your local bank???

the brokerage will sell and short your stock all the times
you just don't know it
but you know that you have the share for $50 or whatever you buy it for



Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: hmgROCK on February 11, 2022, 11:44:23 AM
This is how the $GME and $AMC apes were born.  :D :D :D :D



AMC ape here. Anyone in $GME or $AMC??

yup me
<<<<<< this guy... i bought in around $5-7
on an off

you can probably look at our past AMC talks in here
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: Pretend_Vanilla on February 11, 2022, 12:07:26 PM
Really.. AMC Ape. Ok we Cool bro!

Anyways the whole stuff about Market maker. Citadel is both a MM and a hedgefund. They have the upperhand to control the price or short it if they want. Too much leverage for Citadel or Virtu. Thats why the SEC wants to enforce new rules.
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: hmgROCK on February 11, 2022, 12:11:44 PM
Really.. AMC Ape. Ok we Cool bro!

Anyways the whole stuff about Market maker. Citadel is both a MM and a hedgefund. They have the upperhand to control the price or short it if they want. Too much leverage for Citadel or Virtu. Thats why the SEC wants to enforce new rules.


yeah bro...

i made a thread a while back
I GOT GANG UP  BY THESE FOOL IN HERE
they call me stupid and everything


i wrote a thread about $AMC when it was like $5-7 dollars
i bought and sell daytrade that stuff
it shot up big time
make lot of money

here is the old thread
i don't hold any AMC share today
https://www.pebhmong.com/forum/index.php/topic,405620.0.html (https://www.pebhmong.com/forum/index.php/topic,405620.0.html)
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: Pretend_Vanilla on February 11, 2022, 12:17:02 PM

yeah bro...

i made a thread a while back
I GOT GANG UP  BY THESE FOOL IN HERE
they call me stupid and everything


i wrote a thread about $AMC when it was like $5-7 dollars
i bought and sell daytrade that stuff
it shot up big time
make lot of money

here is the old thread
i don't hold any AMC share today
https://www.pebhmong.com/forum/index.php/topic,405620.0.html (https://www.pebhmong.com/forum/index.php/topic,405620.0.html)


Get on $bbig then. Almost the same AMC /GME ape rally are on this. This will be the short squeeze of 2022. Go look up DD on reddit in r/Bbig. Thank me later. Nothing really happening with $Bbig until management announces Tyde record date. Then Fomo will kick in.
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: hmgROCK on February 11, 2022, 12:28:49 PM

Get on $bbig then. Almost the same AMC /GME ape rally are on this. This will be the short squeeze of 2022. Go look up DD on reddit in r/Bbig. Thank me later. Nothing really happening with $Bbig until management announces Tyde record date. Then Fomo will kick in.


not this one
i don't do penny stock

i'm only buying dip on good company that oversold


$FB .. you should really look at facebook
bro...
it will be a good 6 month swing



Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: Pretend_Vanilla on February 11, 2022, 12:51:21 PM

not this one
i don't do penny stock

i'm only buying dip on good company that oversold


$FB .. you should really look at facebook
bro...
it will be a good 6 month swing


FB will still do good when they roll out the metaverse. A. set back because they lost users. People are jumping to the next shinning object which is Tik tok or Snapchat. And I think FB had a lot of repercussions because they start to do a lot of censoring.


Censoring parties like anti-vaxers and such.
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: hmgROCK on February 11, 2022, 01:23:05 PM
back to you question

just put in buy and sell limit
you set the price
so you don't get cheated
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: Pretend_Vanilla on February 11, 2022, 01:27:45 PM
back to you question

just put in buy and sell limit
you set the price
so you don't get cheated

Are you using the RSI tool? To see whats oversold. I think more fake dumps will happened after March. I anticipate people will pull out their money.
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: hmgROCK on February 11, 2022, 01:31:40 PM
Are you using the RSI tool? To see whats oversold. I think more fake dumps will happened after March. I anticipate people will pull out their money.

depend

are we talking short term or long term
you still new

just google what a"target date index is"

set and forget

everything manage for you
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: Pretend_Vanilla on February 11, 2022, 02:06:17 PM
 :2funny:
depend

are we talking short term or long term
you still new

just google what a"target date index is"

set and forget

everything manage for you


About 1 year of investing under my belt. I got in just for Crypto and then I started buying stocks.
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: hmgROCK on February 11, 2022, 02:08:06 PM
:2funny:

About 1 year of investing under my belt. I got in just for Crypto and then I started buying stocks.

Damn

Yall spending yall paycheck on crypto

Hahahha

I stay away from it
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: Pretend_Vanilla on February 11, 2022, 02:14:19 PM
Damn

Yall spending yall paycheck on crypto

Hahahha

I stay away from it

Made some easy money daytrading doge.
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: hmgROCK on February 11, 2022, 02:33:20 PM
Made some easy money daytrading doge.

i would avoid it like the moses plague

hahahha
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: Pretend_Vanilla on February 11, 2022, 02:35:50 PM
i would avoid it like the moses plague

hahahha


You’re not the first. There are some investors who dont like crypto. Warren Buffet doesn’t like crypto.
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: hmgROCK on February 11, 2022, 10:44:21 PM
Set limits on you trade
If you that worry

Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: Cali Guy on February 14, 2022, 09:08:48 AM
Damn

Yall spending yall paycheck on crypto

Hahahha

I stay away from it

i would avoid it like the moses plague

hahahha

today... is a sad day for me...
my pride and ego...
i have to check that at the door today..

TODAY I ENTER INTO THE CRYPTO WORLD
$950 in dogecoin...

sniff...sniff. .. it was a hard defeat for me
someone who sit in the HIGH CASTLE

(https://i.imgur.com/IvzjTKb.jpg)

Hypocrite much?  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: hmgROCK on February 14, 2022, 10:16:26 AM
Hypocrite much?  ;D ;D

I know $950 sound alot to you
 ;D ;D


Thats just penny to me
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: Cali Guy on February 14, 2022, 11:06:20 AM
I know $950 sound alot to you
 ;D ;D


Thats just penny to me

You missed the point again and you will miss the point all over again and again but I don’t expect you to catch on any time soon.
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: theking on February 14, 2022, 04:17:47 PM
I know $950 sound alot to you
 ;D ;D


Thats just penny to me

Another LIE:

I don’t have money

..MY LAZY BROKE ASS

(https://i.imgur.com/AcGL40j.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/jtoeLwR.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/XzEwd8k.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/yuXuDFz.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/1FriLoS.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/50VIvTp.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/QVej0CE.png)
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: Pretend_Vanilla on April 07, 2022, 12:43:05 PM
If you want fair market, sign this letter.


https://www.urvin.finance/advocacy/we-the-investors-pfof-sign-on (https://www.urvin.finance/advocacy/we-the-investors-pfof-sign-on)
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: hmgROCK on April 07, 2022, 10:21:04 PM
There nothing wrong with order flow
Are you mad cuz your order is getting fill 5 cent over market value???

Set buy limit if you that worry

5 cent over is not alot

DUMA set his stop loss at 10%

Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: hmgROCK on April 08, 2022, 07:43:03 AM
You can set trailing stop order
To buy and sell
You can set a percentage like 5-10% whatever you feel
And when it hit
It automatically sell or buy

You can set buy and sell limited
So you always buy it @ $10 and not $10.10
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: Pretend_Vanilla on April 08, 2022, 08:02:24 PM
I use PFOF. The problem is 80% -90% of trades are sent to dark pool. Its conflict of interest to be a market maker and a hedge fund.

Back in the days dark pool use to be 35%. Now its they’re just using dark pool to short stocks.
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: Pretend_Vanilla on April 08, 2022, 08:04:55 PM
https://tokenist.com/in-depth-citadel-connect-and-dark-pools-uncovered/
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: Pretend_Vanilla on April 08, 2022, 08:08:08 PM
https://youtu.be/2HSWM3fKldY


I’m just bringing awareness. As well as hope for a more transparent and fair market.


But get this Canada, Australia and Britian bans PFOF.
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: hmgROCK on April 08, 2022, 10:36:55 PM
I use PFOF. The problem is 80% -90% of trades are sent to dark pool. Its conflict of interest to be a market maker and a hedge fund.

Back in the days dark pool use to be 35%. Now its they’re just using dark pool to short stocks.

You are going into those QANON CONSPIRACY SHYT
not healthy bro

We have enough crazy

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: Pretend_Vanilla on April 09, 2022, 11:04:49 AM
You are going into those QANON CONSPIRACY SHYT
not healthy bro

We have enough crazy

 ;D ;D ;D




Its not Qanon.

Market Makers that abuse dark pool gets caught and fined. But getting fined is not doing enough. Its probably like paying a speeding ticket for them and they’ll do it again.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idCNL4N11K4SS20150914 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idCNL4N11K4SS20150914)


Title: Re: The sad truth for PFOF
Post by: hmgROCK on April 11, 2022, 08:47:11 AM



Its not Qanon.

Market Makers that abuse dark pool gets caught and fined. But getting fined is not doing enough. Its probably like paying a speeding ticket for them and they’ll do it again.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idCNL4N11K4SS20150914 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idCNL4N11K4SS20150914)

Those are just QANON stuff
I would avoid those talking point

Some shadowy figure is working behind the scene to steal your money
 ;D ;D ;D