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Title: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: proudlao on July 11, 2014, 07:05:48 PM
I feel for these children. It reminds me of camp days. So many kids without their parents.

Video with Katie Couric
http://news.yahoo.com/katie-couric-immigration-now-i-get-it-061118699.html;_ylt=A0LEV0FLesBTnCYAqY9XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzMmdmMTEzBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1NNRTQ4NV8x (http://news.yahoo.com/katie-couric-immigration-now-i-get-it-061118699.html;_ylt=A0LEV0FLesBTnCYAqY9XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzMmdmMTEzBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1NNRTQ4NV8x)



Immigration has always been a contentious issue in the United States. But the current crisis reached a boiling point last week in Murrieta, California, when angry protesters successfully turned away three buses of undocumented immigrants being taken to a border patrol post there.

The residents were upset because they don’t want their tax dollars supporting the recent wave of undocumented minors who have been streaming across the border. Over the last nine months, more than 52,000 unaccompanied children have entered the U.S. illegally, and they’re burdening an already burdened system.

Most of these children are coming from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, and some of the children making the dangerous journey have been toddlers.

Border patrol stations are backed up, so thousands of kids are being sent to detention centers on military bases. Even a warehouse in Arizona has been converted into a holding facility.

So why are they coming? And why aren’t they being turned away immediately? No matter where you stand on the immigration issue or this current crisis, hopefully after watching this you’ll be able to say, ‘Now I Get It
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: joot on July 12, 2014, 09:37:38 AM
The US have immigration laws in the books.  Why can't the laws be followed?

Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: sam on July 12, 2014, 02:10:13 PM
I remember Thai were protesting and wanted us out of their country.  Things like this, just remind me to remember where I(we) came from.  The tortured and raped that some people had to endure.   Have compassion for others.
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: Sydney on July 12, 2014, 02:39:13 PM
We all came to this country in some form of immigration. If we find ways to compromise, we can all live peacefully together. 
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: F-16 on July 12, 2014, 07:45:13 PM
The US have immigration laws in the books.  Why can't the laws be followed?



This is what the book says lol.  It sounds bad and evil but try going to these countries illegally and you'll get your azz fawk in prisons.  If they want to be here so bad then file for legal citizen paperwork!! 
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: Believe_N_Me on July 18, 2014, 06:06:48 AM
There's a process to getting into this country. These people need to follow it, plain and simple.
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: proudlao on July 18, 2014, 08:51:38 PM
Starving children and children without parents will not seek process. It happens some of us. Most of these children are simply trying to survive another day, the crime alone in their countries are outrageous.
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: F-16 on July 19, 2014, 02:25:54 AM
Starving children and children without parents will not seek process. It happens some of us. Most of these children are simply trying to survive another day, the crime alone in their countries are outrageous.

It has come down to either your children first or other buddy.  We are not the richest nation anymore so stop the b.s. about helping others.  These children used the system to get into this country illegally and we're actually providing, facilities, meals, free flight or bus for them to go home. 
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: proudlao on July 19, 2014, 11:56:35 AM
Most children during the Vietnam war were in similar situation and Thailand and the world has done the same. Nothing is new, except this is U.S border. And in any other borders around the world, people, including children have also fled their land seeking help in many circumstances. Had the world turn these people down, some of us would have never seen the U.S.
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: sam on July 19, 2014, 01:27:52 PM
It has come down to either your children first or other buddy.  We are not the richest nation anymore so stop the b.s. about helping others.  These children used the system to get into this country illegally and we're actually providing, facilities, meals, free flight or bus for them to go home. 

Wonder how your parents or grandparents get to this country?  You need to go back and talk to your parents or grandparents.  Txhob rov taw tuam ntuj.  This is not your country.  You are just happen to be here too.
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: sam on July 19, 2014, 01:31:48 PM
Most children during the Vietnam war were in similar situation and Thailand and the world has done the same. Nothing is new, except this is U.S border. And in any other borders around the world, people, including children have also fled their land seeking help in many circumstances. Had the world turn these people down, some of us would have never seen the U.S.

Memory flood back.  Thai didn't want us there.  Other countries took us under their wings.  Thanks to USA, France, Germany, Canada, French G.  These countries didn't have to do it, but they chose to take care us. 
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: Sydney on July 20, 2014, 09:04:30 AM
If children are able evade and sneak into a country with high security patrol, what does that say about border patrol?  Anyway, the issue isn't the children, it is the adults.  The system is broken somewhere along the line, and somebody has got to pay for it.  However, in doing so, the US still needs to show some safety and concerns for these kids whether they are to be returned for retained for information.
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: F-16 on July 21, 2014, 04:19:37 AM
Wonder how your parents or grandparents get to this country?  You need to go back and talk to your parents or grandparents.  Txhob rov taw tuam ntuj.  This is not your country.  You are just happen to be here too.

Of all the stupid questions people  asked me this has to be one of the worst one! ;D  FYI my uncles, brothers fought alongside with GVP/ U.S. during the Vietnam War. 
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: sam on July 21, 2014, 05:28:28 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: sw33t on July 21, 2014, 01:10:08 PM
I read an article not too long ago saying that many of these children crossed over because families here in the states told them that if they travel alone, when they get here, they will get free housing and schooling. Many of these children's parents paid thousands to sneak them here in the US. I don't know if it's true since the media is not always accurate but if it is, it’s not right for these kids to be sent here illegally to live off the system. They need to go through the system like every other country to get here legally.
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: nightrider on July 21, 2014, 07:30:41 PM
Memory flood back.  Thai didn't want us there.  Other countries took us under their wings.  Thanks to USA, France, Germany, Canada, French G.  These countries didn't have to do it, but they chose to take care us. 

Sorry to say but it's their mess and it's the least they can do for refugees caused by their imperialistic ambition. Now about the crises down at the border, these people didn't come from from war torn countries but rather are here to seek a better future for themselves economically. There's proper channels to get here but they did not pursue that path. America needs to just treat these people till they are well enough and ship them back to their respective countries. It's the only humane way to deal with this problem. Taking them in will only send out the wrong message to the world that they should snug into the US for a better life.
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: Believe_N_Me on July 22, 2014, 12:33:44 AM
It has come down to either your children first or other buddy.  We are not the richest nation anymore so stop the b.s. about helping others.  These children used the system to get into this country illegally and we're actually providing, facilities, meals, free flight or bus for them to go home. 

Thumbs up!

I understand the parents want a better life for these children but THEY ARE CHILDREN. What the heck are they suppose to do in America to earn their own keep? The parents just expect American families to take them in or what? I highly blame the parents and the USA border patrol for not doing a better job.

People in other parts of the world have got to put more effort in turning their country around and stop relying on the USA.

It's funny how there are people fleeing their own country and then you have groups like the Hmong who can only dream of having their own country.
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: F-16 on July 22, 2014, 02:40:49 PM
Most children during the Vietnam war were in similar situation and Thailand and the world has done the same. Nothing is new, except this is U.S border. And in any other borders around the world, people, including children have also fled their land seeking help in many circumstances. Had the world turn these people down, some of us would have never seen the U.S.

We came here not because they just took us under their wings buddy.  The countries that took us in were all involved with the Vietnam War.  Did you see a flux of Thais, Philippines came over since the refugee camps were based there?  Go study more about the Vietnam War and you will get a better understanding why we're here today.
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: proudlao on July 23, 2014, 06:08:36 AM
Exactly, the bottom line is human have a heart and the world care. They could have easily bury you. The world will not know your existence. But you are here. Don't worry too much about the history. If human does not care you would have not made it here. The topic here is the well being of the children. We were once in need of the people's help, we were once being fed and clothes through the food bank, tax payers money. We are no different than these children.
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: sam on July 23, 2014, 07:42:05 AM
Exactly, the bottom line is human have a heart and the world care. They could have easily bury you. The world will not know your existence. But you are here. Don't worry too much about the history. If human does not care you would have not made it here. The topic here is the well being of the children. We were once in need of the people's help, we were once being fed and clothes through the food bank, tax payers money. We are no different than these children.

 O0  Some of us went through and we knew how it felt to be in a country that didn't want us to be there.  They held our people at the border of Thailand for months before they could enter Thailand.  Many were forced to go back.  Some were accused as spy and executed.  Food, shelter, clothes and security were provided by many countries.  Some of us don't have to read history.  We lived through that period of time.  We knew how it felt to be hungry, fear every moment that we might had to sent back to Laos and the Thai people protested for us not to be in their country.  Instead of this and that, we all should just stand at the side line and watch.  Just wish and hope that something good will happen to them like happen to us.
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: proudlao on July 23, 2014, 07:57:52 AM
Yes. And some of our family were not so lucky at the hands of the Thai people as well. Some of our family were forced to go back and got sent to camp and tortured too. Some of my relatives and cousins loss their parents to communist and their kids are here in the states through some of our families taking them in. Thank the heaven to the U.N. for allowing these parentless children to remain in camp.
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: sam on July 23, 2014, 08:34:21 AM
We lived through that period of time and we know it's not easy.  One night, there were some Thai soldiers passed our house.  Later, saw them handcuff some men and took the men with them.  About 1 hour later, heard gunshots.  Those men were never seen again.  I remembered the families were waiting for them for months to years, see if their fathers were going to come back.  Have compassion for people that don't have what you have.  Love them.  Pray that there is way for them.
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: F-16 on July 23, 2014, 09:53:51 AM
Exactly, the bottom line is human have a heart and the world care. They could have easily bury you. The world will not know your existence. But you are here. Don't worry too much about the history. If human does not care you would have not made it here. The topic here is the well being of the children. We were once in need of the people's help, we were once being fed and clothes through the food bank, tax payers money. We are no different than these children.

You are way out in left field on this topic buddy.  It wasn't their heart that accepted us rather their guilt of the Vietnam War involvement.  Most of the people say they love kids but that's a false ad, they only love their own kids.  These illegal kids are staying at these facilities for court  hearings at the expense of tax payers.  Some are with their relatives awaiting their hearings which could be up to a year and many never showed up.   Since October of 2013 the illegal kids population has gone up increasingly from 210,000-500,000!!!  Tax dollars 4 billions which Obama asked for spent on judges, lawyers, etc....would be better off for poor American kids. 
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: F-16 on July 23, 2014, 10:02:43 AM
We lived through that period of time and we know it's not easy.  One night, there were some Thai soldiers passed our house.  Later, saw them handcuff some men and took the men with them.  About 1 hour later, heard gunshots.  Those men were never seen again.  I remembered the families were waiting for them for months to years, see if their fathers were going to come back.  Have compassion for people that don't have what you have.  Love them.  Pray that there is way for them.

Go check the list of countries we sent aids to every year and you'll see how much compassion we have for other countries.   
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: nightrider on July 31, 2014, 08:05:02 PM
Go check the list of countries we sent aids to every year and you'll see how much compassion we have for other countries.   

That's the problem! Instead of giving a man a fish, should have taught a man to fish instead...
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: F-16 on September 04, 2014, 06:56:35 AM
That's the problem! Instead of giving a man a fish, should have taught a man to fish instead...

Strange how that ideology is different from liberal and conservative isn't it?  Liberals gives while Conservatives trains and teach.
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: minorcharacter on September 04, 2014, 09:42:53 AM
Hear me out guys.  Supposedly their native countries are riddled with crime and political turmoil or whatever and no humane person would want to send them back, right?  Also if we keep them here chances are they'll get thrown into some small area that is ran by a government project which will only perpetuate the economic depression and all ramifications thereof that we already have going on.

What if we take the Final Fantasy 8 approach to this whole thing?  Create strictly disciplined military academies that focus on STEM fields to counterbalance countries like China or India that graduated by far more engineers, scientists, and mathematicians that we do?  Also, we'd be perfectly prepped in the event that a sorceress from another dimension, where all space-time have been compressed, attacks us.

I honestly have no idea how we're going to fund this (maybe reallocating funds from the bloated military budget); just saiyan'.
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: Reporter on September 04, 2014, 10:12:11 AM
Great reporting, Katie Couric!

I feel for these children. It reminds me of camp days. So many kids without their parents.

Video with Katie Couric
http://news.yahoo.com/katie-couric-immigration-now-i-get-it-061118699.html;_ylt=A0LEV0FLesBTnCYAqY9XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzMmdmMTEzBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1NNRTQ4NV8x (http://news.yahoo.com/katie-couric-immigration-now-i-get-it-061118699.html;_ylt=A0LEV0FLesBTnCYAqY9XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzMmdmMTEzBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1NNRTQ4NV8x)



Immigration has always been a contentious issue in the United States. But the current crisis reached a boiling point last week in Murrieta, California, when angry protesters successfully turned away three buses of undocumented immigrants being taken to a border patrol post there.

The residents were upset because they don’t want their tax dollars supporting the recent wave of undocumented minors who have been streaming across the border. Over the last nine months, more than 52,000 unaccompanied children have entered the U.S. illegally, and they’re burdening an already burdened system.

Most of these children are coming from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, and some of the children making the dangerous journey have been toddlers.

Border patrol stations are backed up, so thousands of kids are being sent to detention centers on military bases. Even a warehouse in Arizona has been converted into a holding facility.

So why are they coming? And why aren’t they being turned away immediately? No matter where you stand on the immigration issue or this current crisis, hopefully after watching this you’ll be able to say, ‘Now I Get It
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: Believe_N_Me on November 13, 2014, 01:52:42 PM
The best solution is to send the children back. There isn't enough families in the US to sponsor such children and especially a group of siblings. Even if there were willing families they would still demand government subsidies to afford the cost of raising children.

Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: Gen. Invincible on February 03, 2015, 05:02:44 PM
You know immgrants legal or illegal pay more taxes than these rich republicans..s o let them come.
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: Lyn Song on April 26, 2015, 04:24:57 AM
Such sad and tragic conflict in the southern countries. I pray for a great future to these young children. Lyn wish the best for all of you little ones, hopefully once you mature you could return back home and turn those tragic countries into much peaceful ones.
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: Believe_N_Me on April 26, 2015, 05:01:31 AM
Hear me out guys.  Supposedly their native countries are riddled with crime and political turmoil or whatever and no humane person would want to send them back, right?  Also if we keep them here chances are they'll get thrown into some small area that is ran by a government project which will only perpetuate the economic depression and all ramifications thereof that we already have going on.

What if we take the Final Fantasy 8 approach to this whole thing?  Create strictly disciplined military academies that focus on STEM fields to counterbalance countries like China or India that graduated by far more engineers, scientists, and mathematicians that we do?  Also, we'd be perfectly prepped in the event that a sorceress from another dimension, where all space-time have been compressed, attacks us.

I honestly have no idea how we're going to fund this (maybe reallocating funds from the bloated military budget); just saiyan'.

I hope all these Liberal sympathizers will feel the same when they are replaced by such immigrants.

Silicon Valley supports immigration because they know they can hire them for much cheaper whilst not having to worry that an employee on a work visa is going to leave a project unfinished because they got a better job offer elsewhere.

These Liberal sympathizers are obviously unaware of the "BABY HOTEL".  ::) A scheme hatched by Chinese-Americans where they receive Chinese citizens on work or student visas and during their stay these women have their baby in America. Then they can claim their child is a natural-born citizen to extend their stay.

These children south of our borders aren't necessarily here just to better their lives. They are here with plans to achieve reunification with their own biological parents.

Of course Liberals are all for this. To them it's the biggest opportunity to add to their stock voters.

I think Conservatives should play this game. Fine. Allow the illegals to stay on one condition - they get first dibs when it comes to entitlement programs. That ought to get Blacks, Mexicans, and Asians on the low wage scale to reconsider.  :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:

Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: Buttercup on April 26, 2015, 03:34:16 PM
They're here to feed our growing population of baby boomers who will soon be retiring with social security.  With Obama care it's even easier for them to stay living on lower wages while keeping the minimum wage in check.  The blacks and other minorities will have to succumb to their competition with the new arrivals.  The 1 percent wins here again.
Title: Re: Child Immigration Crisis
Post by: Buttercup on April 26, 2015, 03:55:01 PM
Obama's law says that if you're under the age of 16 and were here before 2007, your deportation status could be delayed indefinitely?  Isn't that a double negative?  Delayed indefinitely, which is it?  If it's delayed are they going to be deported later or are they getting a free pass to stay indefinitely on our tax dollars.  2.9 billion called for by Obama to protect the border and help these kids.

Or you could blame Bush for signing the anti-human trafficking law to protect and harbor these children here in the U.S.  Basically, we are telling other countries to send their kids here and we'll support and babysit them.  More taxes for everyone here to pay with no job, wait, maybe I should start a new career in Humanitarian aid.  ;)