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Title: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: Believe_N_Me on October 07, 2015, 03:43:07 AM
What are the Vietnamese doing that we Hmong aren't? How can we take our people to the next level so that we aren't left in the dust as America globalizes, which is going to devastate a lot of families? I hear communities that own businesses have the most stability. What kind of businesses aren't we opening and servicing in our communities that we should?
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: FetishDream on October 07, 2015, 06:13:03 PM
The viets have supports from their own people.  Start there to get support with the hmong people.  IT is just sad that the hmong people do not support hmong businesses due to corruptions or the owner of such businesses are being diick heads who gloat about being better than your average hmong person. 

We viets are known not to invent things.  We just take an existing idea and making it better. 

Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: YangSFG on October 08, 2015, 08:04:34 PM
Maybe when our own ethnicity stops screwing each other over we can come together and move forward.
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: Believe_N_Me on October 11, 2015, 03:40:43 AM
The viets have supports from their own people.  Start there to get support with the hmong people.  IT is just sad that the hmong people do not support hmong businesses due to corruptions or the owner of such businesses are being diick heads who gloat about being better than your average hmong person. 

We viets are known not to invent things.  We just take an existing idea and making it better.

I've noticed that the Vietnamese are operating in the same fashion as the Chinese. They have really built up their communities by supporting the businesses. For example, most Vietnamese will prefer to shop and eat at Vietnamese establishments . They prefer the Vietnamese doctor, stationed in the same strip mall, and so on. What we have is a Vietnamese town no different then something in Vietnam. The Hmong should get stronger at building a community where we can employ our people, and offer goods and services which come in handy when our people are denied in mainstream.

However, because we've never had our own country there is just too much distrust amongst ourselves, and rightly so in many cases. For the Vietnamese, Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese, this is all just business as usual. All they did was relocate their communities from their mother countries into America. This inadvertently has really helped some entrepreneurs to go mainstream and do very well for themselves. They have established a very large market where the businesses can work well across seas as well. Since the Hmong are pretty much a lower class group in Asian countries, we can't accomplish this same type of success. Our success would have to mainly happen in America only.

But still, I believe that if there is a will there is a way. We Hmong just have to find out what that is!

I find it interesting that many successful Asian groups in America do not believe in working for someone. Their motto really isn't to go to school and then go work for someone. Many of them go to school so they can work for themselves. They really are on to something as Asians are the highest earners in America, even out-beating whites. And because many of them are known to work for themselves, this makes them better leaders in mainstream work force.
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: Believe_N_Me on October 11, 2015, 03:43:12 AM
Globalization is already happening and impacting the Hmong community - MILWAUKEE is hugely impacted by globalization and it is why Hmong in Milwaukee are stagnant...  Hmong MN > Hmong WI has nothing to do with Hmong MN > Hmong WI, and everything to do with the impact of globalization.  When the Healthcare sector moves to China, Africa, or Mexico, then the Hmong MN = Hmong WI. 


Anywho, I've written on this topic many times.  I'll write a short essay another time when I feel inspire to spend the hour or two...

I know you have, but when will others "get it"? I think it's great to see many Hmong become very successful in their careers. But it still seems like our success depends on who is willing to give us a job. So when will we give ourselves a job? Our success is only good for as long as someone else employs us. We need to start moving away from that. We need to be able to employ ourselves and our people.
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: Superan on October 11, 2015, 08:00:14 AM
I know you have, but when will others "get it"? I think it's great to see many Hmong become very successful in their careers. But it still seems like our success depends on who is willing to give us a job. So when will we give ourselves a job? Our success is only good for as long as someone else employs us. We need to start moving away from that. We need to be able to employ ourselves and our people.

I used to believe in promoting Hmong. Still do from time to time but what I noticed from hiring your own kind or promoting your own kind in a career or job position are that a) they become lazy and want thing handed to them or b) they don't think you helped them and thinks they did everything themselves. So, for me, there is no gratitude in it.
As for Hmong business, you ever been the Hmong village for example, on any given day not all those stores are open. Why waste gas and energy when you get there they aren't open. Hmong Village needs to enforce standard practice like the mall does, where all stores needs to be open and close on time.
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: Believe_N_Me on October 13, 2015, 03:19:13 AM
Sunkist,

It seems our attitude is the direct result of us never having had our own country. We're too used to having to utilize someone else's business. Notice how groups that have a mother country just naturally shop at their own businesses? They naturally come together to form a community. I'm sure there are those with bad attitudes but then they just go to another one of their businesses.

People with a country don't have the mentality of a "minority". They're used to being the "majority".

The Hmong still have that "we're the minority" mentality and it negatively affects our people as a whole. Why? Because as soon as we disagree with another we have that mindset: "you're not the boss, you can't enforce anything...tho se people over there are the boss."

This is true for Black people, too.

Why do we minorities do this to ourselves? I'm beginning to cringe every time I hear someone say:

"S/he is the first [insert race] person to be a [insert profession that is typically held by a white person]."

Why is our progress so dependent on how high we can climb in white society? It makes us look desperate to be part of their society when we should be building our own. White people don't necessarily throw a party whenever one of their own is the first to [insert anything] in Black, Asian, or Hispanic society. But we're the ones always wanting to move into their neighborhoods (as soon as we can afford to do so) instead of just cleaning up our own.
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: VillainousHero on October 20, 2015, 06:13:13 AM
I used to believe in promoting Hmong. Still do from time to time but what I noticed from hiring your own kind or promoting your own kind in a career or job position are that a) they become lazy and want thing handed to them or b) they don't think you helped them and thinks they did everything themselves. So, for me, there is no gratitude in it.
As for Hmong business, you ever been the Hmong village for example, on any given day not all those stores are open. Why waste gas and energy when you get there they aren't open. Hmong Village needs to enforce standard practice like the mall does, where all stores needs to be open and close on time.
That's like half of the EU nation.  They tend to take long lunches...and stroll in and out of work whenever.  They laugh at American business ethics....
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: yuknowthat on December 09, 2015, 06:24:54 AM
Learn how to work with each other instead of screwing each other over at a professional level. Like 2 butt cheeks that comes together and be the Shiet!

Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: r3b1rth on January 20, 2016, 03:32:25 PM
What are the Vietnamese doing that we Hmong aren't? How can we take our people to the next level so that we aren't left in the dust as America globalizes, which is going to devastate a lot of families? I hear communities that own businesses have the most stability. What kind of businesses aren't we opening and servicing in our communities that we should?

We've known about our people's problems moving forward for a long time... why do we make comments and complaints about this all the time? Because 5, 10, 20, 30 years and the mentality is still the same. We should have been super successful by now as a community but we haven't!

Truthfully we're very capable but we're so 'insecure' that we can't move forward. Other Asian people help each other and we are just as capable. It's no secret. Just start acting on what is right and I will tell you what is right.

Here's the secret. Respecting each other and help each other WITHOUT needing something in return. That's it! If you succeed, I succeed, because we both respect each other and help each other grow! If I do well, I should share it, if you do well you should do the same. It can only help our community out!

That's it. Teach the right mindset to our people. If you have a problem with it, do something about it. Or just be another face in the crowd and continue preaching to the choir.
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: TheDeviousOne on January 20, 2016, 03:56:29 PM
Hmong people not blight.. and the Hmong ladies not want to do.. nails or serving the food.. so no nail or restaurant.  So no where to hiding the money. 

This wear the Vietnamese has atvantages.  They woman are willing to do the nails.  Do u think a nail shop can buying a million dollar houses? Nope.  The nail shop is way to making the money legal.. how.. from you Hmong people who betting on the sports every weeks and loosing.  Yes.. you Hmong peoples make more money for the nail salon than the nail salon making money from it customers. 
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: Believe_N_Me on January 25, 2016, 12:53:56 AM
We've known about our people's problems moving forward for a long time... why do we make comments and complaints about this all the time? Because 5, 10, 20, 30 years and the mentality is still the same. We should have been super successful by now as a community but we haven't!

Truthfully we're very capable but we're so 'insecure' that we can't move forward. Other Asian people help each other and we are just as capable. It's no secret. Just start acting on what is right and I will tell you what is right.

Here's the secret. Respecting each other and help each other WITHOUT needing something in return. That's it! If you succeed, I succeed, because we both respect each other and help each other grow! If I do well, I should share it, if you do well you should do the same. It can only help our community out!

That's it. Teach the right mindset to our people. If you have a problem with it, do something about it. Or just be another face in the crowd and continue preaching to the choir.

Well it seems we certainly do have people with the right mindset but why aren't they coming together? Why do we lose them to mainstream?
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: r3b1rth on January 25, 2016, 06:25:22 PM
I think no one has the vision to bring it together. Maybe they try but they aren't doing it right, who knows?

When I have time I will write out more of what I think. I want to share something really powerful but I don't have time right now.
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: Believe_N_Me on January 25, 2016, 10:08:52 PM
My idea is very simple. I just need to raise enough capital to implement it. The plan isn't complex and current Hmong business owners can already do it.
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: Phab Ej Dao Vue on January 29, 2016, 06:17:57 PM
I have a business and I'm Hmong. My customers aren't though and I have no issue with that. A portion of it is international and I've done business in Canada, Russia, and a few other European nations.

Why the obsession over doing business with only Hmong or only with people who look like you? I find that to be very limiting both in personal growth and also pertaining to revenue since the population overall is quite small.

Let the product or service speak for itself, regardless of race. When something is damn good, people will buy it again and again. It's nothing personal; it's just business.

You all can't even get along on PH. Get outta here about doing business together! lol =)

Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: r3b1rth on February 01, 2016, 01:48:38 AM
I have a business and I'm Hmong. My customers aren't though and I have no issue with that. A portion of it is international and I've done business in Canada, Russia, and a few other European nations.

Why the obsession over doing business with only Hmong or only with people who look like you? I find that to be very limiting both in personal growth and also pertaining to revenue since the population overall is quite small.

Let the product or service speak for itself, regardless of race. When something is damn good, people will buy it again and again. It's nothing personal; it's just business.

You all can't even get along on PH. Get outta here about doing business together! lol =)

Lol, pebhmong is not a business forum. Just a way to connect and make interesting conversation about random stuff with other Hmong people.

And while I agree with you 'out', I think the important question is "why are the Hmong as a whole limited in our success compared to the other Asian groups?"

We as a whole are rising up very slowly... slowly. Sometimes I want a pedicure from a Hmong shop but no one wants to touch my toes. So I go to the Vietnamese one :).

Joking aside, you are one of the few successful ones and I commend you for that. I believe that when you have success and can teach others to be successful then life is more fulfilling and you're also making the world wealthier. But that's just me. No one needs to share what they did or how they did it to anyone unless they want to.

Hmong people like to think if they've got something good, they want to keep it to themselves. But the truth is, it's nothing amazing really. Anyone can do it with the right kind of mindset and training.

Also I don't think it's about just marketing to Hmong people. We all know that all customers (regardless of race, gender, creed) equals $$$.

IMHO the majority of Hmong are just slow to get on board. More and more people will be business saavy in the future. I've seen a lot of Hmong businesses come and go. Most aren't good at growing themselves or analyzing the market. I've seen families get swallowed up by false promises. Really sad.

It's kind of neat to analyze it though. Maybe I should open up a consulting firm. Keke.
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: r3b1rth on February 02, 2016, 07:53:40 AM
True. That and food/restaurants. Those seems to be the only thing going oh and I forgot to mention, night clubs.

Honestly, the reason for them doing those things are because they are the older generation and I think they lack education as to what they really want to do (how to expand) OR they think they can be successful by copying other businesses.

I think they are trying their best. These people put up their credit on the line. No need to hate on them. It would be nice to see more successful Hmong people. It would be nice to see Hmong helping Hmong too.
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: CARLOS on February 02, 2016, 11:32:03 AM
Man/Woman have idea
Man/Woman take life savings + borrow money from relatives
Man very motivated, work hard + long hours
Man start to become succesful
Man walk with nose high in air, so high that can't see normal people anymore
Man sees wife old, not liking very much
Man sees young girl(s), liking very much
Young girl(s) see $, liking man very much
Man cheat on wife
Man spends all $ from business on girl(s)
Wife angry
Wife sabotage business
Wife divorce, take house and kids
Man no more $
No $ no honey
No more girl(s)
No more wife, kids, house, business
Only thing left is alimony and child support
Man shoot wife, himself


The typical cycle of a hmong business owner.
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: r3b1rth on February 03, 2016, 06:36:22 AM
That's so extra lol. Like watching a bad skit on youtube.
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: Gen. Invincible on February 15, 2016, 06:47:39 AM
Man/Woman have idea
Man/Woman take life savings + borrow money from relatives
Man very motivated, work hard + long hours
Man start to become succesful
Man walk with nose high in air, so high that can't see normal people anymore
Man sees wife old, not liking very much
Man sees young girl(s), liking very much
Young girl(s) see $, liking man very much
Man cheat on wife
Man spends all $ from business on girl(s)
Wife angry
Wife sabotage business
Wife divorce, take house and kids
Man no more $
No $ no honey
No more girl(s)
No more wife, kids, house, business
Only thing left is alimony and child support
Man shoot wife, himself


The typical cycle of a hmong business owner.

The reason is because we do not have accesw to working capital. And women are jealous creatures.
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: Believe_N_Me on February 19, 2016, 12:00:45 AM
I have a business and I'm Hmong. My customers aren't though and I have no issue with that. A portion of it is international and I've done business in Canada, Russia, and a few other European nations.

Why the obsession over doing business with only Hmong or only with people who look like you? I find that to be very limiting both in personal growth and also pertaining to revenue since the population overall is quite small.

Let the product or service speak for itself, regardless of race. When something is damn good, people will buy it again and again. It's nothing personal; it's just business.

You all can't even get along on PH. Get outta here about doing business together! lol =)

That's not the point of this thread. I am not talking about operating businesses with a largely Hmong consumer-base or limiting business transactions with other Hmong business owners. 
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: nightrider on April 13, 2016, 11:22:44 PM
Sorry to say but if most of you are here in the twin cities, you would have flocked over to Shuang Hur or Double Dragon or anyother market other than a Hmong business.lol We have engineers, but they can't even built their own chairs or let alone assemble the desk they'd just purchased. So keep on dreaming... Got a long way too go.
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: Believe_N_Me on September 15, 2016, 11:01:06 PM
As education becomes more accessible to the mass, job opportunities will become more competitive.

Don't plan on getting hired, at least not right away or even for awhile.

It seems to me that many Hmong who go to college are hoping to get hired by somebody else. So what happens when a company makes a business decision to hire the Indian guy on an HB1 visa over you? You'll be one highly educated graduate with a huge student loan debt and no high-paying job to make ends meet.

Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: w1s3m0n on January 14, 2018, 07:34:32 PM
Hmong can grow business by partnering with other people who have wider connection.  Hmong within Hmong businesses have a very small market.
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: DaCurse on January 18, 2018, 01:14:59 AM
take it more seriously. earn your customer's business not beg for it. put in 100%. don't just do good enough, do more than enough. also smile more..if not that, at least say thank you please come again.
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: Phab Ej Dao Vue on February 24, 2018, 02:22:39 AM
That's not the point of this thread. I am not talking about operating businesses with a largely Hmong consumer-base or limiting business transactions with other Hmong business owners.

What the fukc. Yes you are.

Okay I went off tangeant with the #lifestory. That's not the point.

But you ARE INDEED talking about operating business with largely Hmong base and limiting it to HMONG! Errthang about this thread reaks of Hmong.



Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: Believe_N_Me on August 22, 2018, 09:47:51 PM
What the fukc. Yes you are.

Okay I went off tangeant with the #lifestory. That's not the point.

But you ARE INDEED talking about operating business with largely Hmong base and limiting it to HMONG! Errthang about this thread reaks of Hmong.

No, the duck I am not. I am talking about group economics. I am not talking about how each Hmong individual can go make it in mainstream. Many of us are already doing that.
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: dogmai on August 25, 2018, 05:28:16 AM
A lot of these posts only deal with an individual business.

I think one of the biggest problem is the lack of hmong businesses networking with each other.  And before anybody even says anything,  I'm not suggesting networking solely just with hmong people.  Example, if you own a taxi company and there's a hmong person who owns a mechanic shop and you know they are reliable,  give that person some business. Send your cars that needs to be fixed to that shop. This is what I think can help out the hmong business community. Circulate money back into the community.
Title: Re: Share your ideas on how the Hmong can grow business together
Post by: Believe_N_Me on August 27, 2018, 10:21:35 PM
^^^

Keep the dollar circulating in the community before it goes outside. In other words, the Hmong need to be self-sustaining. The more we can keep the dollar in our communities, the wealthier we become. The wealthier we become the more influence we'll have not only in politics, but education, business, and other fields.