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Title: Do you think names are important?
Post by: DuMa on June 07, 2019, 02:07:16 PM
A name is not just a name.  With a name that sounds well, it can put a person in a position of power and wealth.

This is why I suggest for all to name their kids with names that speaks well.  Stay away from ghetto names or common names.  I think this is the reason why celebrities be naming their kids with names that can fetch a hefty penny.  Like blue Ivory or if your last name is west, your first name can be north for northwest. 

I have nephews named after famous people.  Like imagine azn with names like Winston after Churchill or Warren after Buffett or Amelia after earnheart

Then again, I do have Hmong friends who named their kids after their favorite football player.  Like kaydoo names like Travis yang after Travis Scott or Damian as in Damian Lillard. 

Or just go with Joe, John, Mike aka common name that doesn't sparks anything much cuz those are a dime a dozen. 

If you look at all the successful people, their names have a nice touch to it.  With that said, maybe I'll do my girls with french names like Alizee or something.  With a beautiful name, hoping it will take her somewhere in life.

Title: Re: Do you think names are important?
Post by: theking on June 07, 2019, 03:32:13 PM
Not that much to me as I care about the character of a person more but I know what you're saying. I know Hmong people named their son, "George" after the first U.S. President...
Title: Re: Do you think names are important?
Post by: DaCurse on June 07, 2019, 08:52:40 PM
it can effect a person's character for sure....name your son "Jesus" or "Joseph" and you will never have to worry about them being a problem son...haha and no, i am not being sarcastic here...I really do think, IMO people need to choose wisely a name for their newborns. Go with something unique or uncommon but simple and clean...I always liked the name Jasper, so since I don't have no kids, my cat's name is Jasper...haha lols
Title: Re: Do you think names are important?
Post by: ProudLao on June 07, 2019, 11:41:19 PM
Not important at all.
Title: Re: Do you think names are important?
Post by: Reporter on June 08, 2019, 11:02:53 AM
Ronald and Donald can be Reagan and Trump or McDonald and Duck.

Which one do you prefer?

A name is not just a name.  With a name that sounds well, it can put a person in a position of power and wealth.

This is why I suggest for all to name their kids with names that speaks well.  Stay away from ghetto names or common names.  I think this is the reason why celebrities be naming their kids with names that can fetch a hefty penny.  Like blue Ivory or if your last name is west, your first name can be north for northwest. 

I have nephews named after famous people.  Like imagine azn with names like Winston after Churchill or Warren after Buffett or Amelia after earnheart

Then again, I do have Hmong friends who named their kids after their favorite football player.  Like kaydoo names like Travis yang after Travis Scott or Damian as in Damian Lillard. 

Or just go with Joe, John, Mike aka common name that doesn't sparks anything much cuz those are a dime a dozen. 

If you look at all the successful people, their names have a nice touch to it.  With that said, maybe I'll do my girls with french names like Alizee or something.  With a beautiful name, hoping it will take her somewhere in life.
Title: Re: Do you think names are important?
Post by: Reporter on June 08, 2019, 11:03:22 AM
Ask not what your name can do for you;
Ask what you can do for your name.
Title: Re: Do you think names are important?
Post by: DuMa on June 08, 2019, 11:16:21 AM
I know that Chinese people are big with names.  I mean they came to America with names like min wang or xin lu but had they held onto their names here in America, they wouldn't have gone far had they not changed it to Mindy wang or Cindy lu.  I mean they can have such name on paper but they wanted to be called that way. 

The viets, originally first generation have had their numbers with this name issue as well.  It is not because they are ashamed of their birth name but is a must change so it would be easier for the Americans to call them by.  Especially when a child is in bottle feeding school and teachers would do daily roll call. 

I really hate unisex names like Jaime or Tracy which could be both gender.  My birth name is like that in Viet and so embarrassing in class when the teacher be calling our names and that other girl be reading at the same time I was. 

So yeah, whatever the case, it is not just a name.  If you name your child a good name, they will not grow up and went through them stigma like I have.  It also builds confidence in your child.  I mean I do know a Hmong child with a geeky name and he turned out geeky too.  Maybe because his peers be murdering his name thus looses his self confidence. 

I tend to look at pretty marketable sounding names for college ball players.  I would wonder if such names will be a common house hold name once they become hot in the draft. 

I remembered that one year where the hottest name for boys was Jayden.   Will Smith son right or perhaps the parents saw a good movie n this given the name.

There was a real case where the parents let the nurse to name her baby girl.   She looked at the birth certificate and went with it.  Name pronounced fa-ma-lee.   The mom mistaken thought her baby name was thus by reading the birth certificate but it was actually female as in gender.    :2funny:
Title: Re: Do you think names are important?
Post by: DuMa on June 08, 2019, 11:21:56 AM
Ask not what your name can do for you;
Ask what you can do for your name.

I know you have a redneck name which is good for business.  :2funny:
Title: Re: Do you think names are important?
Post by: Reporter on June 09, 2019, 04:15:57 PM
Not so. I added an American name as a middle name as a souvenir of my US citizenship, but I have used my Hmong name for my business. I've even registered my Hmong name in an LLC.

I know you have a redneck name which is good for business.  :2funny:
Title: Re: Do you think names are important?
Post by: w1s3m0n on June 09, 2019, 11:54:55 PM
Bias and prejudice exist in our world.  In addition, many companies select candidates based upon the notion of fit.  What is fit?  Fit can be personality, values, beliefs, temperament, experience, industry, and etc...  So does your name matter?  I argue it absolutely does.  If your name is JaQuan or DeMarcus, most likely some companies will reject you before reading your resume because they don't think you'll "FIT" in.  It could be your personality, values, belief, temperament, etc...  Even if you have the experience, industry, and etc... down, you might not get a look at.  Sadly, that's the kind of society we live in.  Having an Americanized name helps you present yourself better, and communicate who you are better, and that will help you fit in better.  If I argue, a good job helps your life become easier, then a name which is a predicate of it matters greatly.
Title: Re: Do you think names are important?
Post by: Reporter on June 10, 2019, 05:48:00 AM
Duma might be talking more about using a well-known name to boost one's bet in most areas of life. His example is to use Winston for Winston Churchill, a famous figure already. And the character that is supposed to come with it.

Any Hmong using Kennedy or Martin Luther yet? I know a Hmong guy named King George already.

Sure, we have bias and prejudice around. And so if your name is Smith (White), you are more likely get interviewed in a job than a Jackson (Black). But what a name is supposed to make the person is the question.


Bias and prejudice exist in our world.  In addition, many companies select candidates based upon the notion of fit.  What is fit?  Fit can be personality, values, beliefs, temperament, experience, industry, and etc...  So does your name matter?  I argue it absolutely does.  If your name is JaQuan or DeMarcus, most likely some companies will reject you before reading your resume because they don't think you'll "FIT" in.  It could be your personality, values, belief, temperament, etc...  Even if you have the experience, industry, and etc... down, you might not get a look at.  Sadly, that's the kind of society we live in.  Having an Americanized name helps you present yourself better, and communicate who you are better, and that will help you fit in better.  If I argue, a good job helps your life become easier, then a name which is a predicate of it matters greatly.
Title: Re: Do you think names are important?
Post by: DuMa on June 12, 2019, 02:24:59 PM
Not so. I added an American name as a middle name as a souvenir of my US citizenship, but I have used my Hmong name for my business. I've even registered my Hmong name in an LLC.

Your business, you caters to the minority groups so a minority name will fit them well. 

Unless you have already established yourself and your name then your ancient name do not matter but to start out, it will be a tougher mountain to climb. 

Now let's suppose two individuals with equals.  Only differences are their names.  One guy ho Lee fuk and another guy Johnson Robles, both are azn Americanized. 

Honestly, I have never met an Americanized minority with an ancient name before.  I'm sure there are some and I'm sure they may want to add or switch it to position themselves in life. 

Title: Re: Do you think names are important?
Post by: YAX on June 13, 2019, 11:08:35 AM
Oh Iono, but I will say that the last 3 people named Danny that I encountered were all gay. 
Title: Re: Do you think names are important?
Post by: qeej on July 20, 2019, 09:51:18 AM
do you guys not read or listen or keep up the news or something? this topic is old .........
http://freakonomics.com/podcast/how-much-does-your-name-matter-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/ (http://freakonomics.com/podcast/how-much-does-your-name-matter-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/)
Title: Re: Do you think names are important?
Post by: Believe_N_Me on September 05, 2019, 04:15:23 AM
Bias and prejudice exist in our world.  In addition, many companies select candidates based upon the notion of fit.  What is fit?  Fit can be personality, values, beliefs, temperament, experience, industry, and etc...  So does your name matter?  I argue it absolutely does.  If your name is JaQuan or DeMarcus, most likely some companies will reject you before reading your resume because they don't think you'll "FIT" in.  It could be your personality, values, belief, temperament, etc...  Even if you have the experience, industry, and etc... down, you might not get a look at.  Sadly, that's the kind of society we live in.  Having an Americanized name helps you present yourself better, and communicate who you are better, and that will help you fit in better.  If I argue, a good job helps your life become easier, then a name which is a predicate of it matters greatly.

I'll play devil's advocate here.

With all the complaining about hiring discrimination from the likes of kaydoo folks, the ones who do get hired into a company of predominantly white folks also complain how they don't fit in with all the Pams and Beckys.

Kaydoo be saying, "they discriminate against me because they say I don't fit in."

Gets hired.

Now kaydoo be saying, "I don't feel like I fit in."

This is why I don't put too much value into what black activists say in regards to this issue. They do the same thing with education.

Kaydoo be saying, "white people have better schools. I'm underperformin g due to inadequate resources in black schools."

Gets to the better school. Underperforms.

Kaydoo be saying, "It's culturally insensitive to my needs. Plus, I can't afford to do some of the mandatory projects."

They are the race of excuses.
Title: Re: Do you think names are important?
Post by: lexicon on September 05, 2019, 10:58:30 AM
Replace Blacks with Jews, B-N-M.

You know, let's call ALL ducks, ducks, if they walk, talk and waddle like one.
Title: Re: Do you think names are important?
Post by: Believe_N_Me on October 12, 2019, 05:21:19 PM
Replace Blacks with Jews, B-N-M.

You know, let's call ALL ducks, ducks, if they walk, talk and waddle like one.

But Jews never allowed any discrimination stop them from becoming a successful group and I mean real discrimination .

Blacks just be making it up as they go along nowadays.  :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: Do you think names are important?
Post by: DuMa on October 16, 2019, 06:26:27 PM
How about the name ANDREW yang? 

Andrew Jackson, the 7th president of the United States
Title: Re: Do you think names are important?
Post by: w1s3m0n on October 18, 2019, 12:11:53 AM
I've been studying coaching, social science, psychology, behavior, and racism.  My education has opened my eyes and given me new insights into what I was missing.  Granted I grew up in the ghetto hood and can empathize with them on so many levels, but I didn't comprehend what it meant to be black, and frankly, I will NEVER.  Just like no white person will never fully understand the Hmong American experience, the Hmong cannot fully understand the Black American experience.  This is what my education has taught me.  First, black people's mind have been corrupted through slavery.  Due to the storytelling of black slavery, this oppressive mindset is repeated over and over to them.  It is ingrained into them to fear the world.  Fear crushes many of the black people, and they never achieve their full potential.  Since most black people live in the ghetto hood, their mindset is never changed by someone caring enough to change their mindset.  So the cycle begins over and over.  In addition, inner-city schools are poor performing.  You cannot take a black kid and put it into a white school and expect the same results.  The multi-factorial analysis strongly suggests schools/teachers' performance only accounts for 30% or so in children's school performance.  The other 70% are mindset, parents, peers, community, historical behavioral, etc..

I've worked in corporate America and YES, I don't feel like I fit in.  Even though I am Hmong-American, and my cultural understanding is mostly American, I don't get WHITE JOKES, and I don't get WHITE ettiquite, WHITE norm, and WHITE other things.  White people don't understand why I am so serious all the time...  In the world of Frodo Baggins, white people are humans and Asian people are elves.  Our culture and nature are white different so fitting in becomes difficult.  For example, white people raised their kids to be individualisti c and very confident.  Asian people raise their kids to be collectivist, and very hardworking.  White people raise their kids to create a vast network of friends so they can leverage them to elevate each other.  Asian people raise their kids to be very hospitable so they can lean on them in hard times.  There are so many NUANCES that I wonder if you appreciate it or not and these nuances change us culturally, personally, behaviorally, etc...

The problem with black activism is that they use a negative approach by identifying all the negativity/oppression and don't provide practical solutions.  Asian people, we identify the proper behavior and ignore the negativity.  In coaching, Jim Whitemore defines performance = potential - noise.  Black people let too much historical noise into their lives and so the noise eat them...  If black people could compartmentali ze black history and not be so visceral about it, they can prosper.  But I don't know what it is like to be black, so I need to talk to them more to understand.

My final point is don't be too quick to judge.


I'll play devil's advocate here.

With all the complaining about hiring discrimination from the likes of kaydoo folks, the ones who do get hired into a company of predominantly white folks also complain how they don't fit in with all the Pams and Beckys.

Kaydoo be saying, "they discriminate against me because they say I don't fit in."

Gets hired.

Now kaydoo be saying, "I don't feel like I fit in."

This is why I don't put too much value into what black activists say in regards to this issue. They do the same thing with education.

Kaydoo be saying, "white people have better schools. I'm underperformin g due to inadequate resources in black schools."

Gets to the better school. Underperforms.

Kaydoo be saying, "It's culturally insensitive to my needs. Plus, I can't afford to do some of the mandatory projects."

They are the race of excuses.
Title: Re: Do you think names are important?
Post by: w1s3m0n on October 18, 2019, 12:16:19 AM
But Jews never allowed any discrimination stop them from becoming a successful group and I mean real discrimination .

Blacks just be making it up as they go along nowadays.  :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:

So that use to be one of my argument until I understood that black people lost EVERYTHING relating to their culture and identity during slavery.  EVERY F'ING THING.  The Jewish people still have their religious belief and their religious belief gives them discipline.  That is a lot to lean on.  Standardize belief, value, and discipline is something black people don't even have!  In Operational Excellence (how to run high-performance organizations) standard belief, values, and discipline is how you become EXCELLENT.  Black people don't have that and Jewish people do.  Hence, why one group is excellent and one is not. 
Title: Re: Do you think names are important?
Post by: lilly on October 21, 2019, 02:46:43 PM
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