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Title: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: The I.E. on September 14, 2007, 03:12:04 PM
Original Title: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Topic titled was changed to Hmong History FAQ

Original Post: Did we come from China? Were we actually chinese to begin with?



The following was added by our PH Moderators:
To answer The I.E. (http://www.pebhmong.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2704)'s first question, yes we have approximately 5,000 years of history in China. In fact just before going into Southeast Asia our grandparents, great grandparents, or so on were still in southern China during the 1800s. Where we were before then we don't know for sure yet, although there are some theories discussed here: http://www.pebhmong.com/forum/index.php?topic=52387.0

The answer to your second question is no, the Hmong have always been a separate ethnic group from the Chinese. It's possible the Hmong and Chinese share one common ancestry dating thousands of years ago but perhaps most Asians did at some point? or even all of mankind.

I added the links other members mentioned to help everyone who stumbles upon this post understand the Hmong history, please send me a private message if you would like me to add some interesting facts or links to this first post. Thank you.

Order is from first to most recently contributed on PebHmong Forum:
http://www.mojthem.com/
Some of these audio mp3s help explain Hmong History
Contributed by My Heart Speaks (http://www.pebhmong.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1185)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hmong_people
Contributed by N`Chync (http://www.pebhmong.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2318)

http://www.hmongnet.org/hmong-au/chmong.htm
This article by Yuepheng Xiong helps answer the initial question
Contributed by photine (http://www.pebhmong.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=243)

http://www.hmongtimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=37&SubSectionID=183&ArticleID=908&TM=54682.69
New University of Minnesota Professor, Mai Na Lee, Teaches First Hmong History Class
Contributed by Reporter (http://www.pebhmong.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10)

http://www.lomation.com/hmong/reader/index.php
Hmong Text Reader - Neat tool for those who cannot yet read Hmoob.
Contributed by the CURE (http://www.pebhmong.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3192)

http://www.pebhmong.com/forum/index.php?topic=52387.0
Dr. Gary Yia Lee on Origins of the Hmong
Contributed by Reporter (http://www.pebhmong.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10)

http://www.diversitytv.net/2007/hmong/
Brief History of the Hmong and Secret War in Laos - A must see for everyone.
Contributed by britishseapower (http://www.pebhmong.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3168)

Quick Facts
Hmong were originally from China, our oral history spoke of us living in China already 5,000 years ago. Anywhere earlier than China is speculation.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PZaGiu7Kk7o

Also must take note that the Hmong called Chinese kings "Huab Tais" whereas Hmong kings were "Fuab Tais" the former means to take away as the Chinese often took titles from others by conquering them, whereas Fuab means to rise where Hmong kings rose to become a king earning their place. But this definition became long lost and whoever helped started the RPA writing system understood Huab Tais as a word for all kings including Hmong.[/size]
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: My Heart Speaks on September 14, 2007, 06:00:10 PM
We came from HmongLand.  ;D

If you truly want to hmong where hmong came from you should listen to this station. They give a lot of information on hmong culture and history.

http://www.mojthem.com/
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: CA_girl on September 17, 2007, 03:31:19 PM
Did we come from China? Were we actually chinese to begin with?

No... we were never Chinese!!!  There is a long history of Hmong battles with the Chinese.  The Chinese have always tried to control and oppress Hmong throughout history.  There are legends that in the past the Chinese have taken many Hmong brides because Hmong were very beautiful people.  There are even speculation that Hmong people may have been from Europe, with blonde hair and blue eyes at one point in time (this would be before the Chinese tried to wipe out the Hmong by marrying the pretty Hmong girls).  I don't know if this is true, but I have seen pictures of old women from Europe, maybe the same whereabouts around Ukraine? and their facial features look Hmong.  They just have a lighter hair color. 

Unfortunately, Hmong origins have been lost in the mists of time.  Constant moving to escape persecution and oppression from the Chinese did not help us retain our origins or written language.  It is said that Hmong women tried to preserve our original writing by incorporating it into the traditional Hmong skirts, but the meaning of the symbols have been lost too. 

I recommend reading the book Tragic Mountains if you would like to know more about Hmong history.   I used to do a lot of research on Hmong history for fun when I was growing up.  I'd check out tons of books on Hmong history and read lots of articles.   
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: The I.E. on September 17, 2007, 04:01:17 PM
Hmm...

I always thought that we were of Chinese decent.  Knowing all these kung fu and all too. Like flying in there air and magic. 

So what is the deal with hmong having Blonde hair?  I honestly thought it was whack how my two niece turn out that way?!  First, thought was maybe the wife was sleeping around but heard my old folks said that once a long time ago we hmongs were brutally savage and killed by the white man and the took the wives and girls and married them or make babies off them and  that is why we have blonde hmong girls/boys..  is it true?
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: hua on September 20, 2007, 01:02:25 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miao_people

Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: The I.E. on September 20, 2007, 01:14:20 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miao_people



Dang, can't yall just explain it.  I hate to read...lol.. ;D that's what ALPHA said in her thread! Nah..j/k...
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: N`Chync on October 01, 2007, 09:24:38 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hmong_people
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: lady-chang on October 11, 2007, 04:10:21 PM
Hmm...

I always thought that we were of Chinese decent.  Knowing all these kung fu and all too. Like flying in there air and magic. 

So what is the deal with hmong having Blonde hair?  I honestly thought it was whack how my two niece turn out that way?!  First, thought was maybe the wife was sleeping around but heard my old folks said that once a long time ago we hmongs were brutally savage and killed by the white man and the took the wives and girls and married them or make babies off them and  that is why we have blonde hmong girls/boys..  is it true?

it is highly doubtful  that hmong people ever had blonde hair and blue eyes though no one really knows for sure but on the posotive side...... i think very few understand the concept of being albino.......a nd no, you don't necessarily have to have practically white hair and red eyes......you just lack pigmentation which if you're asian, you may just have really light brown hair and eyes and super pale skin that burns easily........ .. i've seen quite a few of albino hmong people......an d if your neices literally have blue eyes and blonde hair, you definitely need to do some DNA testing....... you may even need to go back a few generations... ....
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: The I.E. on October 11, 2007, 06:20:43 PM
it is highly doubtful  that hmong people ever had blonde hair and blue eyes though no one really knows for sure but on the posotive side...... i think very few understand the concept of being albino.......a nd no, you don't necessarily have to have practically white hair and red eyes......you just lack pigmentation which if you're asian, you may just have really light brown hair and eyes and super pale skin that burns easily........ .. i've seen quite a few of albino hmong people......an d if your neices literally have blue eyes and blonde hair, you definitely need to do some DNA testing....... you may even need to go back a few generations... ....

Interesting... I've seen some albino too.  Wierd...
But never seen blue eyes hmong b4.  Always white/brown hair and red hair. 
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Prince on October 11, 2007, 08:12:27 PM
Did we come from China? Were we actually chinese to begin with?


I believe most of us came about as the result of an Human EGG and Human Sperm fertilization.
Anything else is purely speculation... unless there are concrete evidence.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: The I.E. on October 12, 2007, 11:00:58 AM
Under chinese history, the hmongs can be traced back to the early 17th century.  We were what they referred to as the mystical people known as Miao, highlanders, or mountanious people.  It was believed that we were branched off from the original group known as the San Miao (Three Non-chinese Ethnic Groups).  Under these three tribes, there were three influential leaders who oversaw the safety of its people.  The Chinese consistently went to war with the Hmongs and drove us out of Northern China to the Southern China.  Part of the great wall of Southern China was built to separate us from Central Chinese.  We were considered non-chinese, barbaric and were not well liked or accepted by the Han and Ming Chinese.  During those dynasties, our people were ordered to be killed and many of our people scattered to many parts of the countries after our leaders were defeated in wars. 

Nowadays, many centuries later, the hmongs still exist.  We are the decendants of the San Miao in China.  Hmong in China is actually one of the largest groups today. 

Wow...very well explanated  ???
But are all what you said are true?
Sounds true..but need docs...
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: CA_girl on October 12, 2007, 11:06:45 AM
Wow...very well explanated  ???
But are all what you said are true?
Sounds true..but need docs...

I've read somewhere about the Great Wall was built to keep Hmong people out too, but just can't remember from where.  It is true that we aren't Chinese and never were, otherwise the Chinese wouldn't try to persecute and eliminate us so much. 
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Buridans Paradox on October 12, 2007, 01:17:15 PM
I've read somewhere about the Great Wall was built to keep Hmong people out too, but just can't remember from where.  It is true that we aren't Chinese and never were, otherwise the Chinese wouldn't try to persecute and eliminate us so much. 

The Spirit Catches You mentions a Hmong Wall, a smaller version of the Great Wall.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Buridans Paradox on October 13, 2007, 01:12:13 PM
photine,

i admire your passion.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: hua on October 13, 2007, 05:58:20 PM
Off topic, but if you've seen "Chinese Paladin" ...  Ling'er and Qing'er are miao. You can see some similarities to hmong clothing if you watch closely.  ;D For example, the guy that like's Ah Nu can be seen wearing what looks like hmong clothing and one of those metal neck thingies.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Ntxhais Hlub on October 13, 2007, 07:44:02 PM
Off topic, but if you've seen "Chinese Paladin" ...  Ling'er and Qing'er are miao. You can see some similarities to hmong clothing if you watch closely.  ;D For example, the guy that like's Ah Nu can be seen wearing what looks like hmong clothing and one of those metal neck thingies.

Tang Yu and Sir Shi are Miao also. Those "metal neck thingies" are spirit locks. In the movie, Ling Er and Qing Er are the descendants of Nuwa or as we call her in Hmoob, Nkauj Ntsuab (as in Nkauj Ntsuab thiab Siv Nas). Ah Nu's mother is referred to as "Nan Man Mama" which can be translated as Miao (Hmong) mother since the term "Nan Man" once was used to refer to Miao/Hmong people as well.

photine, thanks for the links, will read up on them and we can discuss them later.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Mizan on October 14, 2007, 05:21:03 AM
There has been extensive genetic and linguistics research done on the peoples of China in recent years. One such research was the sampling and screening of the Y-chromosome Haplogroup 03-M122 found in East Asian populations, of which Hmong/Miao people are carriers. The results of this research indicates that the Haplogroup 03-M122 is of southern origins and that the northward migration of this Haplogroup occurred some time between 25,000 and 30,000 years ago.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Mizan on October 14, 2007, 01:03:24 PM
Interesting. Is there a website on this research?

To my knowledge there is no website, however I do have the results of the research in PDF form, if you like I can upload that for you.

What's also interesting is that in another research study done by a different group of scientists/geneticists, they concluded that most Hmong maternal mtDNA lineages are of southern origins, however they also found that Miao/Hmong people have a high ratio of northern mtDNA lineages as well, which goes to suggest that Miao/Hmong people had extensive and prolonged contact with northern East Asian people i.e. Manchus, northern Han, etc.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: HmongKnight on October 16, 2007, 11:32:14 AM
Hmong is from ancient Canaan or the middle east.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Mizan on October 16, 2007, 01:08:35 PM
What does mojthem mean?
Sounds like it means retribution but your guess is as good as mine. "Hurt Pay" = Payback = Retribution?  >:D
According to the website, "mojthem" means "koom siab."
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Drum on October 16, 2007, 06:54:01 PM
There has been extensive genetic and linguistics research done on the peoples of China in recent years. One such research was the sampling and screening of the Y-chromosome Haplogroup 03-M122 found in East Asian populations, of which Hmong/Miao people are carriers. The results of this research indicates that the Haplogroup 03-M122 is of southern origins and that the northward migration of this Haplogroup occurred some time between 25,000 and 30,000 years ago.

Anyone interested in this research or to actually participate and send in your DNA to be tested to find out where you came from then go to this website:

The GenoGraphic Project (https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/)

Check it ou.  It's very cool.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Mizan on October 16, 2007, 09:12:36 PM
Anyone interested in this research or to actually participate and send in your DNA to be tested to find out where you came from then go to this website:

The GenoGraphic Project (https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/)

Check it ou.  It's very cool.

Thanks for the link, Drum. Going through that website, I noticed that the man heading the East/Southeast Asia research is Li Jin. He was one of the geneticist involved in the research I mentioned earlier about the southern origins of Hmong maternal mtDNA.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: PYK on October 30, 2007, 04:47:26 PM
After the Hmong kingdom was destroyed, the Chinese divided the Hmong into five groups, the blue, green, red, flowery, and white based upon the color of the cloths that each wore. This was to ensure the separation of the Hmong and deterrence for reuniting and reestablishing another kingdom. This was in effect an effective move and the Hmongs were separated and removed. This separation is still on many levels in effect today. The 5 groups, although still speak the same language, have different dialects. Again, the Hmong people were a tribal people; many fleeing to the mountains, again their salvation, where they found relative peace.
Separation did not deter the Hmong from forming and uniting to achieve a common goal. They continued to rebel and fight against oppression. They proved so strong at times that the Southern Great Wall, a scaled down version of the Great Wall of China, was erected in 1615 on the Hunan-Kweichow border to thwart off rebellious Hmongs. No Hmongs were permitted to cross over this border, even to trade.
   From 1711-1799, China came under the rule of Ch’ien Lung. During this dynasty Ch’ien Lung expanded China even more and strengthened hold on bordering country much to the heavy burden of taxes upon the citizens within. This led to numerous rebellions from rebel groups in China, among them the Hmong. Because of the location of the Hmong, Ch’ien Lung spent an enormous amount of money trying to quench his Hmong enemies. He lost many troops and generals attempting to suppress the Hmong. The Hmong were at an advantage, they were the masters of the mountains, and knew the terrains well. The Chinese had to struggle to even get close to the Hmong strongholds. Many Chinese armies got trapped in huge gorges and men starved to death. Numerous failed attempts angered the King and he demanded an extermination of the Hmong.
   Ch’ien Lung enlisted his one of his best strategic general, General Akoui, to destroy the Hmong. General Akoui using patience and trekking along lesser used paths eventually forced his way into the Hmong villages situated among the mountains destroying and wrecking havoc. He then surrounded the small village of Karai in which the Hmong Prince, Prince Sonom, had fled. The prince firmly refusing to surrender held a small council in deciding that death was preferable to surrender and how to do so in a way that would also kill as many Chinese as possible. A plan soon ensued. When the canons of Akoui’s armies penetrate the walls, Karai would be set in flames. This really reflects the courageousness of the Hmong people and their livelihood. They would rather die than surrender.
   This would have been the end had Sonom’s mother not begged him to spare his younger brother and sister. Sonom unable to refuse his mother bartered with Akoui and took a chance that they would be spared if they did surrender. Akoui knowing this would be the only way to capture Sonom quickly agreed that their lives would be spared should they surrender. This was not to be. Akoui was setting a trap to ensure Ch’ien Lung’s long awaited revenge on the Hmong. Sonom, the royal family, and a group of his closest advisors were  escorted to Peking. Once there Ch’ien Lung rattled off a list of treacherous offenses against the king punishable by death. Sonom, his family, and advisors were tied to posts and cut into pieces.
   This was the beginning of an end. Before Sonom’s death in 1776, a few hundred Hmong had cross the border of China and into Vietnam. This would be the start of mass migrations into Indochina. Sometime in the first quarter of the 19th century, a Chinese opium merchant named Ton Ma encouraged the Hmong to migrate further south by luring them of stories about lush green fertile land unoccupied and ready for the taking. Ton Ma wanted the Hmong to move to better land as to grow more opium for his trade as the Hmong were well known for their opium fields. The Hmong weary of war and eager for a land of their own trekked down to this land, modern day Nong Het, in Laos  This land would hold in future years one of the largest Hmong settlements in Laos. It would also prove to be a central location and focus for upcoming wars that would nearly destroy the people who are called Hmong
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: snowpea on October 30, 2007, 06:52:42 PM
Whoever said the wall of China was built partially to keep the Hmong out is so so wrong. First of all, the Hmong from China are geographically located in Southern China. The great wall is in Northern China. I highly doubt that the Hmong traveled North to fight the Chinese.

"Their ancestors originated in southwestern China, in the provinces of Yunnan, Guizhou, Sichuan, and Hunan. For several thousand years, the central Chinese government dominated by Han Chinese basically left the Hmong (called Miao by the Chinese) alone, as long as they paid their tributes to the Chinese. However, the last dynasty in China, the Qing (1644-1911), founded by Manchus, followed a different policy. Qing armies and officials oppressed the Hmong, who rose in rebellion. In the early nineteenth century, this political persecution, along with increasing population pressure, led some of the Hmong to migrate southward into mainland Southeast Asia, where they settled in the mountainous regions of northern Burma, Thailand, Laos, and Vietnam." - Sucheng Chan, Hmong Means Free

http://www.hmongnet.org/publications/hmf-intro.html

As someone else stated above, those Hmong people with blue eyes and brown hair are purely albino. 
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: PYK on October 30, 2007, 07:16:38 PM
I believe there was a smaller wall built around the Hunan area that was built to suppress the Hmong in that era... but like all history.....it is simply a ...story.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Swordplay on October 30, 2007, 08:22:37 PM
Before Sonom’s death in 1776, a few hundred Hmong had cross the border of China and into Vietnam. This would be the start of mass migrations into Indochina. Sometime in the first quarter of the 19th century, a Chinese opium merchant named Ton Ma encouraged the Hmong to migrate further south by luring them of stories about lush green fertile land unoccupied and ready for the taking. Ton Ma wanted the Hmong to move to better land as to grow more opium for his trade as the Hmong were well known for their opium fields. The Hmong weary of war and eager for a land of their own trekked down to this land, modern day Nong Het, in Laos  This land would hold in future years one of the largest Hmong settlements in Laos. It would also prove to be a central location and focus for upcoming wars that would nearly destroy the people who are called Hmong
You should read the Myth of Sonom. Unfortunately after more thorough research it seems Keith Quinsy who originally talked about Sonom in his book was incorrect in linking Sonom with the Hmong.

http://hmongstudies.org/EntenmannHSJ6.pdf
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Swordplay on October 30, 2007, 08:31:13 PM
I believe there was a smaller wall built around the Hunan area that was built to suppress the Hmong in that era... but like all history.....it is simply a ...story.
I think Yuepheng Xiong talked about it in his first video documentary.

http://www.hmongabc.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=55&products_id=242&osCsid=dfa2dbc10ddc1c70ad6bdbdbeb7effe3

Although I wouldn't say it's anything close to the Great Wall of China, the width nor height of the "Southern Great Wall" wasn't anything close.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: PYK on October 30, 2007, 08:50:26 PM
swordplay- learning is constantly evolving... thanks for the insight... :)
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Swordplay on October 30, 2007, 08:52:04 PM
swordplay- learning is constantly evolving... thanks for the insight... :)
Yep np. Our history is difficult to research, updated or new info is always good to spread.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: PYK on October 30, 2007, 08:55:08 PM
Yep np. Our history is difficult to research, updated or new info is always good to spread.

I would really like to do some ground research on Hmong customs... how uniquely interesting to intrinsically understand all the many traditions we partake in...

....all history is difficult.. especially when it doesn't come from a first person viewpoint..
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Swordplay on October 30, 2007, 09:05:03 PM
I would really like to do some ground research on Hmong customs... how uniquely interesting to intrinsically understand all the many traditions we partake in...

....all history is difficult.. especially when it doesn't come from a first person viewpoint..
Have you started with interviewing the elders? Most of our customs and history is said to be riddled within the wedding and funeral rites.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: PYK on October 30, 2007, 09:14:34 PM
Have you started with interviewing the elders? Most of our customs and history is said to be riddled within the wedding and funeral rites.

Actually I have... I have quite a few of untranslated interviews about both... any thoughts?
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Swordplay on October 30, 2007, 09:32:48 PM
Actually I have... I have quite a few of untranslated interviews about both... any thoughts?
Audio/Video?

A local elder of mine has been recording what he knows on a digital audio recorder, will share them later. They're in the process of being editted at the moment. Stories range from creation of our solar system, Ying and Yang (Spirit/Physical Realms), first two human beings, the Great Flood, and Hmong history in China.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: PYK on October 30, 2007, 09:37:34 PM
Audio/Video?

A local elder of mine has been recording what he knows on a digital audio recorder, will share them later. They're in the process of being editted at the moment. Stories range from creation of our solar system, Ying and Yang (Spirit/Physical Realms), first two human beings, the Great Flood, and Hmong history in China.

....I wasn't smart enough to do video... :(

...was it the old Yawm SAub story? that's the one I've gotten from quite a few people..
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Swordplay on October 30, 2007, 09:45:11 PM
....I wasn't smart enough to do video... :(

...was it the old Yawm SAub story? that's the one I've gotten from quite a few people..
It goes beyond Yawm Saub. According to what I've listened to so far, Yawm Saub and Puj Saub were only acting on behalf of Niam tias Txiv Fuabtais Ntuj. Many say huabtais but it's actually fuabtais according to this elder, because huab is to take away whereas fuab is to rise, we associated Chinese kings as huabtais and Hmong kings as fuabtais but the meaning was mixed up and most started using huabtais instead. In the recording it started with the birth of our planet earth, where our ancestors believed it is a child of its mother, our sun. Who knows they can be right, the scientist theories change often and maybe one day will sound something like this.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: PYK on October 30, 2007, 09:46:15 PM
It goes beyond Yawm Saub. According to what I've listened to so far, Yawm Saub and Puj Saub were only acting on behalf of Niam tias Txiv Fuabtais Ntuj. Many say huabtais but it's actually fuabtais according to this elder, because huab is to take away whereas fuab is to rise, we associated Chinese kings as huabtais and Hmong kings as fuabtais but the meaning was mixed up and most started using huabtais instead. In the recording it started with the birth of our planet earth, where our ancestors believed it is a child of its mother, our sun. Who knows they can be right, the scientist theories change often and maybe one day will sound something like this.

ah.. the beauty of history and research....
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Swordplay on October 30, 2007, 09:51:14 PM
ah.. the beauty of history and research....
Yeah I find history fascinating in general. Can really expand our mind and help us understand how the world as a whole came to be as it is.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: PYK on October 30, 2007, 09:52:46 PM
Yeah I find history fascinating in general. Can really expand our mind and help us understand how the world as a whole came to be as it is.

I also find the perils of present issues just as exhilirating.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Swordplay on October 30, 2007, 09:55:23 PM
I also find the perils of present issues just as exhilirating.
Somewhere in the past lies answers that can solve problems we have today.  ;)
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: PYK on October 30, 2007, 10:00:20 PM
Somewhere in the past lies answers that can solve problems we have today.  ;)

or how about some simple common sense...
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: pInkhighLights on November 07, 2007, 02:47:38 PM
Haha!  Funny question ;D, yet you do not know.   :(

Hmong are Hmong and we are definitely not of Chinese decent.  If we were, Koreans would be of Chinese decent as well.  You'll find more information if you trace it all the way back to the Tower of Babel BC days.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: moo_cow on November 08, 2007, 01:40:14 PM
we are not chinese we were an individual race to begin with the chinese did not like us because our women were more beautiful than theirs so they took all our women and married them. the chinese did not like us because they found us stubborn and did not do what they wanted that is why we fled china to laos. we were origianlly from china but we were never chinese...
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: LeLaaay on November 14, 2007, 09:15:00 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miao_people


Thanks! I'm always looking to learn about my origins since my parents never really explained it in details.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Mizan on November 18, 2007, 12:51:58 AM
we are not chinese we were an individual race to begin with the chinese did not like us because our women were more beautiful than theirs so they took all our women and married them. the chinese did not like us because they found us stubborn and did not do what they wanted that is why we fled china to laos. we were origianlly from china but we were never chinese...

In terms of genetics, you are wrong.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Swordplay on November 19, 2007, 01:16:48 AM
:love10:...you seems really knowledgeable any way i can get that video from that elder of yours??? i'm willing to purchase 8)
It's not finished yet, I'm pretty sure we're giving it away for free. I'll let you know when they're ready, I'll be providing links here. =)
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: moo_cow on November 20, 2007, 11:18:16 AM
In terms of genetics, you are wrong.

no i don't think i am..we are not chinese why do you want to be chinese so bad?! huh?? tell me..what do you know of the hmong? can you tell me something educational about your own race?! huh?? can you tell me how the laos started to hate the hmong and why right now...over in laos many innocent hmong people are dying..can you tell me that?! If you are going to oppose to an idea support your idea before claiming someone else is wrong...
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Swordplay on November 20, 2007, 11:50:47 AM
no i don't think i am..we are not chinese why do you want to be chinese so bad?! huh?? tell me..what do you know of the hmong? can you tell me something educational about your own race?! huh?? can you tell me how the laos started to hate the hmong and why right now...over in laos many innocent hmong people are dying..can you tell me that?! If you are going to oppose to an idea support your idea before claiming someone else is wrong...
We cannot yet trace our DNA very far, if we trace it far enough the Hmong and Chinese may share a common ancestor, perhaps all of mankind share a common ancestor. How quickly a couple can expand into a large family you can witness today with your very own eyes, multiply this effect times a thousands that the possibilities are limitless. Even now my eldest brother and I do not get along as though we were destined foes, the Hmong and Chinese may be no different.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: moo_cow on November 20, 2007, 12:10:28 PM
We cannot yet trace our DNA very far, if we trace it far enough the Hmong and Chinese may share a common ancestor, perhaps all of mankind share a common ancestor. How quickly a couple can expand into a large family you can witness today with your very own eyes, multiply this effect times a thousands that the possibilities are limitless. Even now my eldest brother and I do not get along as though we were destined foes, the Hmong and Chinese may be no different.

Thanks for clearifying that for me.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: foromosa on November 20, 2007, 12:20:32 PM
Whoever said the wall of China was built partially to keep the Hmong out is so so wrong. First of all, the Hmong from China are geographically located in Southern China. The great wall is in Northern China. I highly doubt that the Hmong traveled North to fight the Chinese.

"Their ancestors originated in southwestern China, in the provinces of Yunnan, Guizhou, Sichuan, and Hunan. For several thousand years, the central Chinese government dominated by Han Chinese basically left the Hmong (called Miao by the Chinese) alone, as long as they paid their tributes to the Chinese. However, the last dynasty in China, the Qing (1644-1911), founded by Manchus, followed a different policy. Qing armies and officials oppressed the Hmong, who rose in rebellion. In the early nineteenth century, this political persecution, along with increasing population pressure, led some of the Hmong to migrate southward into mainland Southeast Asia, where they settled in the mountainous regions of northern Burma, Thailand, Laos, and Vietnam." - Sucheng Chan, Hmong Means Free

http://www.hmongnet.org/publications/hmf-intro.html

As someone else stated above, those Hmong people with blue eyes and brown hair are purely albino. 

The Great Wall of China as we know of it today was not the same as it was when it was first built. The Chinese did build a wall to keep out the Miao. That's a fact.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: foromosa on November 20, 2007, 12:25:06 PM
we are not chinese we were an individual race to begin with the chinese did not like us because our women were more beautiful than theirs so they took all our women and married them. the chinese did not like us because they found us stubborn and did not do what they wanted that is why we fled china to laos. we were origianlly from china but we were never chinese...

There is no such thing as race. As for your story of Chinese taking Hmong women as brides, though it may have happened for some, I highly doubt it happened for all. The Chinese were very ethnocentric. That being the case, why would they want women who come from what they deem as barbaric people?
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Mizan on November 20, 2007, 02:25:50 PM
no i don't think i am..we are not chinese why do you want to be chinese so bad?! huh?? tell me..what do you know of the hmong? can you tell me something educational about your own race?! huh?? can you tell me how the laos started to hate the hmong and why right now...over in laos many innocent hmong people are dying..can you tell me that?! If you are going to oppose to an idea support your idea before claiming someone else is wrong...

I am not saying that we are Chinese - what I am saying is that we share very similar genetic characteristic s with Han Chinese people. In one research study done a few years back, scientists concluded that the Chinese are more genetically related to Hmong people and a few other southern tribes than to any other minority in China. Another research suggests that southern China and southeast Asia was populated by proto-Indic people about 40,000 years ago. These people migrated out of India and into Burma - there they split, one group continuing south into Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam and the second group traveled through Tibet into southern China. It has already been concluded through research that the majority of Hmong people's maternal mtDNA is of southern origins, however we also have a very high ratio of northern DNA lineage as well.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Swordplay on November 21, 2007, 12:18:46 AM
looking forward to it but im still willing to buy it even if its not for free so feel free to let me know  :headbang: thanx once again.
Oh they take donations sure. It'll be a few months, busy year I tell you.
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: xox on November 23, 2007, 04:02:54 PM
Hmong original written language is Hebrew like language look at the kong mong letter they are exactly Hebrew like.  We are not Chinese i believe i am not because i am one of the little few Hmong people that has blond hair. 
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: A_New_Beginning on March 29, 2008, 05:46:28 PM
Interesting article by YuPheng. Learn something new today.  I wonder do they still offer the class since that was way back in 1997.
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: kaiyu on April 15, 2008, 06:11:21 PM
I took a class in Native Americans, and Native American culture and way of life is pretty similar to Hmong culture.  Perhaps Native Americans are our ancestors.
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: kaiyu on April 15, 2008, 06:17:53 PM
I took a class in Native Americans, and Native American culture and way of life is pretty similar to Hmong culture.  Perhaps Native Americans are our ancestors.

they practice shamanism, marriage pricing, respect for the elders, and lecturing brides before marriage.....t here are several similiarities between hmong and Native Americans..... hmong are definitely have lineage of the Native American people......
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: Swordplay on April 15, 2008, 07:33:13 PM
I took a class in Native Americans, and Native American culture and way of life is pretty similar to Hmong culture.  Perhaps Native Americans are our ancestors.
That's a possibility, but it'd be more accurate to say perhaps we share the same ancestors. Also, I know a few Hmong elders who would agree.
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: kaiyu on April 20, 2008, 02:35:33 AM
i heard all kinds of good things about hmong history how about the bad stuff....for example now how did some of the newer generation hmong people have blonde hair...well... there is a possibility that force rape from the enemies could of happen and hmong woman were kidnapped or sold and were used as slaves/whores...just like the native american women being raped by spanish and english....see ..hispanic don't ever talk about their history because history hurts...

why hmong didn't have their own kingdom?

well there is a possibility that hmong are one of the oldest asian people and they didn't really have an organized empire, they were mostly peaceful farmers who seeks of peace and believed that lands cannot be own, just like how the native americans thought of north america....the y probably didn't have a king, but had a powerful leader....kind a like a chief....the hmong probably existed in china first before the chinese and mongolians...h mong people were the people that didn't want warfare or changes...they like the simple life...there were probably several hmong tribes that didn't get along to form a great empire....ther efor..when..th e enemies attack...only some fought back...

why didn't hmong have any historic clues about their pass?

im pretty sure they did have written history books or paintings, but those clues may had been completely wiped out by their enemies as though their enemies didn't want them to exist....there are some asian race that has been almost completely wiped out.....meanin g..their whole population were almost killed....just look at the miens....and others....

based on what had happen to the native americans, was probably what happened to the hmong people....hist ory repeat it self....

if you looks closely...some hmong gals looks a lot like hispanic gals..haha.... but native americans are our ancestor therefor mexicans are somewhat related to hmong....

Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: Babylon on April 30, 2008, 07:43:40 PM
That's a possibility, but it'd be more accurate to say perhaps we share the same ancestors. Also, I know a few Hmong elders who would agree.

There is indeed a possibility that Native Americans and Hmong people may have had a common ancestor in the very distant past. The ancestors of Native Americans were from Siberia whom had crossed over on a land bridge at the end of the last ice age.
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: Swordplay on May 03, 2008, 03:24:05 PM
There is indeed a possibility that Native Americans and Hmong people may have had a common ancestor in the very distant past. The ancestors of Native Americans were from Siberia whom had crossed over on a land bridge at the end of the last ice age.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: kaiyu on May 16, 2008, 03:33:32 AM
I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

the ancestors of siberians are from central asia, and the ancestor of central asia are from south east asia.....the early asians live close to body of waters which will be close to south....so cambodia would be the place of early asians..
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: oneheartstrong on June 03, 2008, 04:53:03 PM
Whatever you learn today as Hmong history, do not take it as all. Again do not take it AS ALL. Hmong history is so scattered that needs to be collected together again. You may read something from a book and then heard someone else tells you a slightly different version. Do not be too quick to discredit one or the other. History is only a reflection of people in time.
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: UnTouChaBLe_LaDY on September 22, 2008, 02:33:58 PM
Why are some of the links not working?  >:(
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: chidorix0x on September 22, 2008, 02:37:21 PM
I love all the web links to "wikipedia".  ;D

No wonder everyone is a self-proclaimed "Hmoob" historian.  :D *LOL*
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: chasm2k9 on June 17, 2009, 06:07:11 PM
Something I would like to know is why do we talk so much about Hmong history?
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: Curious Vaj on September 01, 2009, 01:13:37 PM
Is there some evidence that Hmong came from the Jews???
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: Whiteboy on September 12, 2009, 09:43:31 AM
http://www.geocities.com/kaoly_y/HistoireCultureLanguage/ZhangXiaoEnglish112603.html

check out this site
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: Curious Vaj on September 17, 2009, 03:42:41 PM
http://www.geocities.com/kaoly_y/HistoireCultureLanguage/ZhangXiaoEnglish112603.html

check out this site

Okay, I got the words but WHERE'S THE PROOF! I WANT TO SEE SOME ARCHAEOLOGICAL PROOF LIKE BODIES, BUILDINGS, ETC.!
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Zongta on January 07, 2010, 04:18:23 AM
it is highly doubtful  that hmong people ever had blonde hair and blue eyes though no one really knows for sure but on the posotive side...... i think very few understand the concept of being albino.......a nd no, you don't necessarily have to have practically white hair and red eyes......you just lack pigmentation which if you're asian, you may just have really light brown hair and eyes and super pale skin that burns easily........ .. i've seen quite a few of albino hmong people......an d if your neices literally have blue eyes and blonde hair, you definitely need to do some DNA testing....... you may even need to go back a few generations... ....

you're stupid
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: Wi_sweetguy on January 27, 2010, 11:49:45 PM
My friends,
The possibility of Hmongs have blue eyes and yellow hair is nothng but a mist of rumors spread by uneducated people who claimed to have experienced 2 hours of watching saiyans with blue eyes and blonde hair.  This is a joke.  Look at the turkish people who have mixed in with chinese/ mongols. Their chinese and turkish genome shine very brightly in the open.  You will be able to tell immediately that they are mixed.  For example look at hmong mixed with black people.  Their kids are easily identify.  The fact is this, Hmong people lived next to the chinese as neighbors and only chinese, not mongols or any others.  In chinese history, they will  bring out the fact that barbarian people from the south tried to invade china and so they built the south wall of china to protect their country.  China inside of a box and beyond the four sides of the wall lies the four barbaric tribed.  To the north, you have the mongols, the east you have manchuns-korea-etc, the west you have tibets-turkish-etc, the south you have hmongs and many other tribes.  With these fundamentals, you should have a clear understanding of where our people came from.
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: Gutts on May 03, 2010, 01:09:49 PM
I just thought I'd share an article from a Vietnam Vet, Ed Merek who mentions, "...I lack the needed command of the English language to express my deep sorrow for the US having left them to die and suffer as we suddenly left that war unfinished... About all I can do at this juncture is to write this article and give Wisconsinites a chance to learn something about them and their history."

http://www.wisconsincentral.net/PeopleHmong.html (http://www.wisconsincentral.net/PeopleHmong.html)
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: good-in-deed on May 03, 2010, 03:30:08 PM
My friends,
The possibility of Hmongs have blue eyes and yellow hair is nothng but a mist of rumors spread by uneducated people who claimed to have experienced 2 hours of watching saiyans with blue eyes and blonde hair.  This is a joke.  Look at the turkish people who have mixed in with chinese/ mongols. Their chinese and turkish genome shine very brightly in the open.  You will be able to tell immediately that they are mixed.  For example look at hmong mixed with black people.  Their kids are easily identify.  The fact is this, Hmong people lived next to the chinese as neighbors and only chinese, not mongols or any others.  In chinese history, they will  bring out the fact that barbarian people from the south tried to invade china and so they built the south wall of china to protect their country.  China inside of a box and beyond the four sides of the wall lies the four barbaric tribed.  To the north, you have the mongols, the east you have manchuns-korea-etc, the west you have tibets-turkish-etc, the south you have hmongs and many other tribes.  With these fundamentals, you should have a clear understanding of where our people came from.

 :D ;D :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: Gutts on May 03, 2010, 03:57:09 PM
If you guys know the story of Chiyou, you'd see that after his fall, the people he ruled fled south & west.  Over generations of constant warfare and fleeing, groups either settled or fled Chinese rule, and because of isolation between the groups, what was once ONE group became multiple groups, each varying in language, culture, etc.  It is possible, that at one point, our ancestors may have intermixed with those from the far western areas of China, thus, giving us the blond hair genes.  Although we do not have the facts, we do know that the Silk Road was established between China and the middle east, as a trade route.  Intermixing is definitely probable.

One thing for sure, is that the Miao people (which includes Hmong), can traced back to Chiyou, in eastern China.
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: eyefish on May 20, 2010, 01:35:57 PM
You idiots who think ancient Hmong people had blonde hair blue eyes, where the hell did your mom and dad come from? North Dakota?

The reason why you see some Hmong people with blonde hair and blue eyes is because the French had Laos colonized. This is why you won't find blonde hair blue eyed Hmong people in Southern China. So next time you see a Hmong with blonde hair and blue eyes, just remember that his/her great grandma was fucked by a French guy.

Well, my husband didn't say it like that but he said the same thing. He said it's from someone down in their family line that hooked up with the white man. ????
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: Gutts on May 21, 2010, 08:14:43 AM
You idiots who think ancient Hmong people had blonde hair blue eyes, where the hell did your mom and dad come from? North Dakota?

The reason why you see some Hmong people with blonde hair and blue eyes is because the French had Laos colonized. This is why you won't find blonde hair blue eyed Hmong people in Southern China. So next time you see a Hmong with blonde hair and blue eyes, just remember that his/her great grandma was fucked by a French guy.

It's a fact.  Everybody knows that Hmong people are an ancient Saiyan race.  You should check out my spirit bomb sometimes.  It's devastating.  Lol.
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: beester on May 27, 2010, 11:51:53 AM
It's a fact.  Everybody knows that Hmong people are an ancient Saiyan race.  You should check out my spirit bomb sometimes.  It's devastating.  Lol.

I like that reasoning best! I want to be a super saiyan!
Title: Re: Where did HMONG(we) come from?
Post by: Amara on June 23, 2010, 02:14:11 PM
The Spirit Catches You mentions a Hmong Wall, a smaller version of the Great Wall.

Whoever said the wall of China was built partially to keep the Hmong out is so so wrong. First of all, the Hmong from China are geographically located in Southern China. The great wall is in Northern China. I highly doubt that the Hmong traveled North to fight the Chinese.

"Their ancestors originated in southwestern China, in the provinces of Yunnan, Guizhou, Sichuan, and Hunan. For several thousand years, the central Chinese government dominated by Han Chinese basically left the Hmong (called Miao by the Chinese) alone, as long as they paid their tributes to the Chinese. However, the last dynasty in China, the Qing (1644-1911), founded by Manchus, followed a different policy. Qing armies and officials oppressed the Hmong, who rose in rebellion. In the early nineteenth century, this political persecution, along with increasing population pressure, led some of the Hmong to migrate southward into mainland Southeast Asia, where they settled in the mountainous regions of northern Burma, Thailand, Laos, and Vietnam." - Sucheng Chan, Hmong Means Free

http://www.hmongnet.org/publications/hmf-intro.html

As someone else stated above, those Hmong people with blue eyes and brown hair are purely albino. 

The Southern Great Wall was built by the rulers of the Ming Dynasty as a military blockade against the Miao people of the south. In 2001, the wall underwent major restoration to restore it back to its former state.

Here is a mini-documentary about it:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxrrR8r4JOE
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxqFdzV_yQk
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHpLHV6Bc6c

(http://i50.tinypic.com/358p8xc.jpg)

(http://i45.tinypic.com/24p9zm8.jpg)

(http://i46.tinypic.com/qs2n4j.jpg)
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: I_love_Assistant_OK on July 25, 2010, 12:18:33 AM
I've just watched Chinese Paladin 3 and on Episode 18, there was a scene where the village women come and tell the priest that their husband is being seduced by a Miao woman. I just find this to be amazing because Miao is Hmong so that mean that the descendant of Nawu is of Hmong origin. Also meaning that the mother of Lang'er in Chinese Paladin 1 is Hmong. The lady that waited 200 years for her lover is of Hmong origin. ---------------i just find this to be pretty cool especially since Hmong/Miao was mentioned in a drama that I love.
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: kabvang on September 25, 2010, 01:50:04 AM
I've just watched Chinese Paladin 3 and on Episode 18, there was a scene where the village women come and tell the priest that their husband is being seduced by a Miao woman. I just find this to be amazing because Miao is Hmong so that mean that the descendant of Nawu is of Hmong origin. Also meaning that the mother of Lang'er in Chinese Paladin 1 is Hmong. The lady that waited 200 years for her lover is of Hmong origin. ---------------i just find this to be pretty cool especially since Hmong/Miao was mentioned in a drama that I love.
oh my gosh!
i saw that drama too! its so good. and i agree with 100% of what you said. I also thought that it was really interesting that she actually dressed a bit like hmong in parts of the drama too.
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: HmongLessons on February 21, 2011, 12:24:07 PM
http://hmonglessons.com/
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: shina on September 03, 2011, 09:41:23 PM
It would be nice if we have someone who is interested in searching for our history.  Hmong has a unique history, but the only thing Hmong people seem to know is Gen. Vang Pao, but there were so Hmong prior to Vang Pao that have done great things for the Hmong people.  Do you know who was the first formally educated Hmong person in Laos?  I forgot his name but he was a Yang.  My grandma used to have a picture of him with Nao Chao Lyfoung.  There were the first Hmong in Laos that went to school.  There were so many great story my grandma used to tell me about the people during the early time.  I search for information on Hmong, and it looks like there are too much information on the Vietnam War and the Hmong but nothing else important.  It almost feels that Hmong people did not exist before the Vietnam War.  Sad isn't it???  I think we should leave politics behind and search for facts about the Hmong people prior to Vietnam War.  I'm talking about FACTS not GOSSIPS.    I heard plenty of gossips, but not facts.  When people gossip, they don't have the facts.  They only repeat what they heard and then add a few of their own story into it to create a completely new story.  This is what Hmong are very good at.   My grandma told me that her ancestors came from Mongolia where it was dark 6 months and light 6 months.  It was a hard life so they migrated to China looking for a better place.  The Chinese didn't like Hmong because we didn't want to pay taxes.  So after each harvest, they packed up and left to find a new place.  They kept moving and the Chinese kept on chasing them because Hmong didn't want to share their crops.  That was how her ancestors came to be in Laos.  The family splat up over the years while in China so we can't trace our root anymore.  Interesting story but we can't trace our root.  Who are the Hmong?  Where did we come from?
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: Moospej on September 29, 2011, 03:29:25 PM
Kuv yuav me ntsis li qhov kuv paub..txawm qhov twg tsis meej pem los nej mam li muab kho rau.

Neeg tshwm sim zaum 1 - Neej thiab dab, mi xyoob mi ntoo, mi tsiaj txhu nrog rau 1 puas tsav yam uas muaj sia puav leej hais ib hom lus.

Neeg tshwm sim zaum 2 - Yog lub caij txiv neej yug menyuam, tuag 3 zaug mam li tuag tiag tiag. kab tshoob kev khoob thiaj rhawv muaj, lub mob lub ntshaj thiab li poob los txog, ib siab ob qiag thiaj li mam rhawv tau.

Neeg tshwm sim zaum 3 - Yog lub caij poj niam los yug menyuam, tuag 1 zaug lawm xwb, neej thiab dab, xyoob ntoo, tsiaj txhu nrog rau 1 puas tsav yam uas muaj sav puav leej hais tsis ib hom lus lawm.

Puas muaj leej twg tseem ceev tau cov hauv paus dab neeg xws li:

1. Tus koov nyiaj thiab tus koov kwb     
2. Tooj thiab Hlau   
3. Kab tshoob kev khoob     
4. Neeb yaig       
5. Lus ntees tuag   
6. Lub nrua tuag
7. Rab Qeej
8. Tus txhib ntawg
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: Gatorade_Guy on November 12, 2011, 04:58:14 PM
look people, it's already been settled that hmong people were formed from the outcast clans of mongolia. we didn't want to participate in khan's violent conquest so we were banished to a remote area in china, where the chinese eventually booted us to the mountains of southeast asia.
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: realism on April 12, 2012, 05:36:49 PM
look people, it's already been settled that hmong people were formed from the outcast clans of mongolia. we didn't want to participate in khan's violent conquest so we were banished to a remote area in china, where the chinese eventually booted us to the mountains of southeast asia.

sources please...
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: Gatorade_Guy on April 15, 2012, 09:42:32 AM
lol isignia's remarks are hilarious. for sure that person is an idiot on so many levels.
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: realism on April 19, 2012, 07:02:05 PM
insignia isn't even in this thread
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: koj_tus_hlub on May 04, 2012, 03:53:34 PM
Interesting...I've seen some albino too.  Wierd...
But never seen blue eyes hmong b4.  Always white/brown hair and red hair. 

Where I live, there is a Hmong family that has two children with white hair and blue eyes. I think it is unique to see someone like them.
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: King_Kong on July 03, 2012, 01:50:54 PM
Nanman (simplified Chinese: 南蛮; traditional Chinese: 南蠻; pinyin: Nnmn; WadeGiles: Nan-man; literally "southern 'barbarians'") were aboriginal tribes who lived in southwestern China. They may have been related to the Sanmiao, dated to around the 3rd century BC. The Nanman were multiple ethnic groups including the Miao, the Kinh, the Thai, and some Tibeto-Burman groups such as the Bai. There was never a single polity that united these people. During the Three Kingdoms period, the state of Shu Han ruled over southwestern China. After the death of Shu Han's founder, Liu Bei, the tribesmen of the region rebelled against Shu Han's rule. The Shu Han chancellor, Zhuge Liang, led a successful expedition to quell the rebellion.

In the novel Romance of Three Kingdoms, the rebellious Nanman tribes are depicted as an alliance under the leadership of Meng Huo. Meng Huo is said to have submitted to the rule of Shu Han after being captured and released no fewer than seven times by Zhuge Liang. This story has been adapted into many other works of fiction over the centuries, as well as video games based on the era. However, there is little historical evidence to attest to its veracity.

During the Tang Dynasty, the Miao (Hmong) ceased as a major non-Chinese group except in the province of Yunnan where they were ruled by the six "Zhao" (詔). The southernmost, known as Mengshezhao (蒙舍詔) or Nanzhao (南詔), united all six Zhaos and founded the first independent Nanman state during the early 8th century. The royalties were thought to be the Bai people. Nanzhao regularly paid tributes through the head of military district Jiannan Jiedushi (劍南節度使). When the Tang Dynasty gradually declined, Nanman gained more independence, but was assimilated by later dynasties. However, some of Nanzhao's cultural influence was carried south due to its location

Taken from Wikipedia,
If there were only documents that can prove this.....
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: Muaj Tsim on January 28, 2013, 04:57:02 PM
you can find where hmong originated from by relating hmong practices like bride kidnapping.  Bride kidnapping is only practiced in central asia or eurasia.  Hmong originally uses spoons NOT chopsticks, spoons are western and central asia!  Chopsticks came from chinese influence.  and the sport tub lub (top Spin)  is western.  no culture in china or souteast asia plays that.  look at hmong ancient writing, looks pretty much mediteranean/middle eastern.
Title: Re: Hmong History FAQ
Post by: NceegVaj on April 06, 2013, 01:08:07 PM


TOO MUCH SPECULATION AND ASSUMPTION SHi.Tz in this thread.