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Title: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on October 12, 2018, 03:15:58 PM
Playing morality is immoral because you bend morality to your will rather than letting morality bends on you. The 3 biggest dictators out of all in man's history is conscience, freewill, and emotions. They bend you rather you bend them. Those who bend morality to their will are moral relativist people because they play morality like how I see it in communism that persecutes Hmong people in the Vietnam War. From a single lie and brainwash through the re-education camps, moral relativism brings nothing but death, lies, persecution, and genocide since it's nothing but the rules of 'I like ice cream; you like cake.'

Moral relativism can be found in the Book of Judges, Heart of Darkness, Book of Kings 1 and 2, Letters of Birmingham, Animal Farm, Nuremberg Court Case, and many more of moral stories that tells about the nature of a moral relativist. Playing morality to your will is immoral. You cannot bend morality to your will for it bends YOU rather than YOU bend morality in your grasp. Laws vs. Morality has been clashing since the dawn of revolutionary; yet, man has not learn their ways to quit on being a moral relativist because of life isn't fair to their will. Oh well, suck it up!

Moral relativist are liars-- (Al Capone's voice) LIAR LIAR, PANTS OF FIRE. ALL MORAL RELATIVIST ARE BURNING IN A FRYER. MAY THE CHOIR SINGS TO YOUR EVERLASTING DIRE, WE THE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY KNOW WHAT IS YOUR EVIL DESIRE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKclNMN_oRc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKclNMN_oRc)
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: Believe_N_Me on October 13, 2018, 12:26:10 AM
Moral relativity is dangerous because it always falls into the wrong hands. Why? Because no hand, except God's, is good enough to dictate morality.

Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on October 15, 2018, 10:04:18 PM
Playing morality is immoral because you bend morality to your will rather than letting morality bends on you. The 3 biggest dictators out of all in man's history is conscience, freewill, and emotions. They bend you rather you bend them. Those who bend morality to their will are moral relativist people because they play morality like how I see it in communism that persecutes Hmong people in the Vietnam War. From a single lie and brainwash through the re-education camps, moral relativism brings nothing but death, lies, persecution, and genocide since it's nothing but the rules of 'I like ice cream; you like cake.'

Moral relativism can be found in the Book of Judges, Heart of Darkness, Book of Kings 1 and 2, Letters of Birmingham, Animal Farm, Nuremberg Court Case, and many more of moral stories that tells about the nature of a moral relativist. Playing morality to your will is immoral. You cannot bend morality to your will for it bends YOU rather than YOU bend morality in your grasp. Laws vs. Morality has been clashing since the dawn of revolutionary; yet, man has not learn their ways to quit on being a moral relativist because of life isn't fair to their will. Oh well, suck it up!

Moral relativist are liars-- (Al Capone's voice) LIAR LIAR, PANTS OF FIRE. ALL MORAL RELATIVIST ARE BURNING IN A FRYER. MAY THE CHOIR SINGS TO YOUR EVERLASTING DIRE, WE THE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY KNOW WHAT IS YOUR EVIL DESIRE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKclNMN_oRc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKclNMN_oRc)

What you are describing is subjective morality. 

But you should be grateful of moral relevists because they are more tolerant of your moral beliefs.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: w1s3m0n on October 17, 2018, 08:20:38 PM
In Shanon Information Theory, there is a concept called Signal to Noise Ratio.  The SnR is the ratio of noise between the communicator and the listener as a message is passed through a medium.  Truth becomes blurred because the SnR from God to people to books to translation to people has a potentially high SnR.  Only when guided by the Holy Spirit can the person understand the truth and the way.

I've stopped arguing truth because it's impossible to teach someone...God has to do his job.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: Believe_N_Me on October 18, 2018, 07:37:55 PM
What you are describing is subjective morality. 

But you should be grateful of moral relevists because they are more tolerant of your moral beliefs.

Um...no they're not.

I wouldn't call jailing someone or burning down their house because they're Christian tolerant.

What world do you live in?

Oh yeah, a Judeo-Christian one where even ignorant atheists like you can speak foolishly without being killed.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on October 19, 2018, 01:18:06 PM
Um...no they're not.

I wouldn't call jailing someone or burning down their house because they're Christian tolerant.

What world do you live in?
a non judeo-christian one where even an ignorant Christian woman like you can speak foolishly without being killed.
Oh yeah, a Judeo-Christian one where even ignorant atheists like you can speak foolishly without being killed.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on October 24, 2018, 01:10:59 AM
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Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on October 27, 2018, 03:46:38 PM
What you are describing is subjective morality. 

But you should be grateful of moral relevists because they are more tolerant of your moral beliefs.

Congratulation s, you just accept another Animal Farm. Sam Harris will destroy you if you are a moral relativist. All moral relativist are flavor pickers. I like ice scream; you like cake; I like murder; you like rape. That's the flaw of moral relativism.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on October 30, 2018, 05:14:36 PM
Congratulations, you just accept another Animal Farm. Sam Harris will destroy you if you are a moral relativist. All moral relativist are flavor pickers. I like ice scream; you like cake; I like murder; you like rape. That's the flaw of moral relativism.

(https://pics.astrologymemes.com/the-ultimate-ignorance-is-the-rejection-of-something-you-know-4618811.png)
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on November 02, 2018, 08:58:59 AM
Congratulations, you just accept another Animal Farm. Sam Harris will destroy you if you are a moral relativist. All moral relativist are flavor pickers. I like ice scream; you like cake; I like murder; you like rape. That's the flaw of moral relativism.

Animal farm has nothing to do with moral relativism. It's about politics and government, a totalitarian government to be more precise. It's ironic how you detest the pigs in the on how they ran the farm. This is coming from the guy who, if he had his way, would govern people in a totalitarian dictatorship government, Just like the pigs. This reminds me of the last chapter of the book. More specifically,  the dinner scene at the end.

"I don't mind if I am dictator by forcing people to do good only and never know evil."
Forcing people to remain ignorant is in itself immoral. And that's the same thing the pigs did to the other animals in the book.

This is why I disagreed with yengimer in the other thread. Fear and ignorance shouldn't be use in order to keep someone from not committing murder. By not knowing and understanding why murder is immoral, you will end up like yengimer, and commit murder when there is no fear of the consequences. As I said before, if someone thinks that murder is wrong because god commanded it, but then goes around murdering people once they found out that god is dead, means that that person wasn't moral to begin with. A moral person (theist) will still think that murder is wrong even after learning that god is dead.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 03, 2018, 03:33:46 PM
Animal farm has nothing to do with moral relativism. It's about politics and government, a totalitarian government to be more precise. It's ironic how you detest the pigs in the on how they ran the farm. This is coming from the guy who, if he had his way, would govern people in a totalitarian dictatorship government, Just like the pigs. This reminds me of the last chapter of the book. More specifically,  the dinner scene at the end.

"I don't mind if I am dictator by forcing people to do good only and never know evil."
Forcing people to remain ignorant is in itself immoral. And that's the same thing the pigs did to the other animals in the book.

This is why I disagreed with yengimer in the other thread. Fear and ignorance shouldn't be use in order to keep someone from not committing murder. By not knowing and understanding why murder is immoral, you will end up like yengimer, and commit murder when there is no fear of the consequences. As I said before, if someone thinks that murder is wrong because god commanded it, but then goes around murdering people once they found out that god is dead, means that that person wasn't moral to begin with. A moral person (theist) will still think that murder is wrong even after learning that god is dead.

How is this immoral? You just allow rape, murder, and evil rights to do the heck they want. What if a group of evil people starts to riot in the city because they want rights for rape, murder, steal, and all of the horrendous things that they practice must be force into play? I will gun these immoral **** down like how a cannibal holocaust got gun down for having cannibalism in their culture. Do you see any Baal worshippers? NO! Because God killed them and stopped them. In the Book of Kings, that's what it shows where God kills the unchangeable people who's will is to bend God rather than God bends on them. You think I'm one of those pigs? No, I will kill those pigs and force all of those animals not to be like those pigs, even IF there will be bloodshed to change man into a moral being, I rather force morality upon evildoers. Silencing evil for good is the BEST way to contain them and make the world not knowing of what evil is. Imagine a world full of good people, not knowing what murder is, not knowing what rape is, and not knowing a single drop of evil. Yet, you call this immoral.

People ask for peace, well, force peace upon everyone, even if it violates their freewill to dislike peace. How is force peace immoral? How is eliminating evil is immoral? Why is wrong to force good for all people? Please, tell me why and I am all ears.

Moral relativism must disappear or else, another Book of Judges will appear.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 03, 2018, 03:40:43 PM
This is why I disagreed with yengimer in the other thread. Fear and ignorance shouldn't be use in order to keep someone from not committing murder. By not knowing and understanding why murder is immoral, you will end up like yengimer, and commit murder when there is no fear of the consequences. As I said before, if someone thinks that murder is wrong because god commanded it, but then goes around murdering people once they found out that god is dead, means that that person wasn't moral to begin with. A moral person (theist) will still think that murder is wrong even after learning that god is dead.

If God is dead, then why follow orders? Even Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris will agree to this that if there isn't a judge or a king to bring order, you will have another animal farm like those dark ages in England (Feudalism/Clan War).


So, if God is really dead, then how come people are following morality since it's a lie? In fact, what is lie, murder, and rape in the subjective world? People with conscience will destroy these cultural people because cultural people don't want to think; also, I know quite some who are like that and I see it in Hmong people who sticks to Shamanism and never come to question in mind to test their religion in a debate. In the end, they cower away and will always be one. It's either they become an atheist or become a theist. It's up to them and I don't give a damn...selfish ly like those professors at any university.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 03, 2018, 04:27:12 PM
He/she whoever bends morality to their will and not morality bends on them, they must be stop. If they break through the stop, then they must be destroy.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on November 04, 2018, 07:51:09 PM
How is this immoral? You just allow rape, murder, and evil rights to do the heck they want. What if a group of evil people starts to riot in the city because they want rights for rape, murder, steal, and all of the horrendous things that they practice must be force into play? I will gun these immoral **** down like how a cannibal holocaust got gun down for having cannibalism in their culture. Do you see any Baal worshippers? NO! Because God killed them and stopped them.  In the Book of Kings, that's what it shows where God kills the unchangeable people who's will is to bend God rather than God bends on them. You think I'm one of those pigs? No, I will kill those pigsNo, you are not one of those pigs. That's why you see the pigs. Killing what you see is easy. But you cannot kill what you cannot see. and force all of those animals not to be like those pigs, even IF there will be bloodshed to change man into a moral being, I rather force morality upon evildoers. That's the theme of animal farm.
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Silencing evil for good is the BEST way to contain them and make the world not knowing of what evil is. That's probably the worst way to deal with evil. I'll explain later.Imagine a world full of good people, not knowing what murder is, not knowing what rape is, and not knowing a single drop of evil. Yet, you call this immoral. And some Christians wonder why the garden of Eden failed. No, I never called that immoral. The person that made the world that way, which is you in this case, is immoral.  Congratulation s, you just created an amoral world. A world where murder, rape, etc.. occurs every day and nobody doing anything to stop it. A world, THE BEST WORLD, for evil to thrive. A world where evil is every where with no restraints what so ever. 

People ask for peace, well, force peace upon everyone, even if it violates their freewill to dislike peace. How is force peace immoral? so that's not really peace is it? How is eliminating evil is immoral?You're not eliminating evil. You are aiding evil, giving it a new power, sort of speak. And at the same time, crippling man by blinding them.   Why is wrong to force good for all people? Please, tell me why and I am all ears. because that makes people ignorant of evil. Makes them gullible. You read the bible, and only saw the things that you were taught, and couldn't see the things that were never taught to you. There are many things in the bible that you can only see if you read it as a nonreligious book. You can see the  mistakes that were repeated throughout the book. Those were not seen or taught to people by preachers most likely due to it not being religious in nature or being relevant to the religion. Something that is repeated throughout the entire book is , ignorance.  You can see ignorance in the characters, whether by the same one or not, throughout the book. It may be hard to spot because it's has nothing to do with the story of the book in a religious matter.

Moral relativism must disappear or else, another Book of Judges will appear.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on November 04, 2018, 11:08:42 PM
If God is dead, then why follow orders? You can choose to accept or not accept orders given to you. Once you've accepted those orders, you can chooose to obey or disobey orders given to you. The orders that I've accept, I choose to obey them and follow them as best as I can. I accept and follow the orders of my commander because I believe him to be a capable commander, not out of fear    Even Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris will agree to this that if there isn't a judge or a king to bring order, you will have another animal farm like those dark ages in England (Feudalism/Clan War). This is irrelevant to morality. And just dodging what is being discussed at hand. Either way,  you misunderstood what they meant. Judge or a king doesn't mean one person/being.


So, if God is really dead, then how come people are following morality since it's a lie?People are following morality because it's not a lie, it's the truth.  In fact, what is lie, murder, and rape in the subjective world? People with conscience will destroy these cultural people because cultural people don't want to think; also, I know quite some who are like that and I see it in Hmong people who sticks to Shamanism and never come to question in mind to test their religion in a debate. In the end, they cower away and will always be one. It's either they become an atheist or become a theist. It's up to them and I don't give a damn...selfish ly like those professors at any university.

So you're a nihilist. This is why you are amoral. You don't know and don't care. Morally right or wrong.  And like I mentioned earlier, it is morally subjective based soley on your fear of god. That's why when you no longer have that fear, when god is dead, your morality change.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on November 04, 2018, 11:56:37 PM
Per the bible, do you know the reason why god CANNOT destroy evil?

And no, it's not because he chooses not to.

*Hint*
Think about the serpent.

Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on November 05, 2018, 12:23:40 AM
If you can answer the question below, tbats when there's a chance for you for to understand why "I don't mind if I am dictator by forcing people to do good only and never know evil." is immoral.

What type of animal was the leader of the farm at the beginning of the and at the end of the book? (Humans are considered as animals here)

*Hint* they're both the same kind.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 07, 2018, 03:35:06 PM
So you're a nihilist. This is why you are amoral. You don't know and don't care. Morally right or wrong.  And like I mentioned earlier, it is morally subjective based soley on your fear of god. That's why when you no longer have that fear, when god is dead, your morality change.

I am not a nihilist. I force people to do only what is good. If I have a child, I will protect him/her at all cost. I may look like an overprotected dad, but hey, the bright side is that you force your child to get money, education, jobs, and a good life. I will NOT let my child to be a homeless, EVEN IF it's their dream to be one. Who wants a career of being a homeless?

You call me amoral? I am not. I simply force good. Imagine you want to be bad; however, daddy won't let you have it. Imagine you want to eat turd for live; however, daddy is not going to let you eat turd, but let you eat beans, rice, steak, potatoes, and all things that won't kill you, will let you live. Have you not seen this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4J-Fuo0vLE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4J-Fuo0vLE)

Yeah, who didn't wants to be save. If you watch it, I don't allow this **** for suing a superhero for saving lives. Sorry to bring the pop culture, but I find evil people to be a total retard. Yet, you think I am amoral? No, I am not! Things outside of the Bible is similar to what the Bible's point is. It's best to perform a rapist/Nazi/murderer/bigotry holocaust rather than a Jewish Holocaust.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4GAQtGtd_0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4GAQtGtd_0)

Watch this one too. I would kill all of those criminals on the other boat and leave those innocent civilian to live. If you look at the Philippine islands, they force their government to kill every druggy that is out there. Guess what? The crime rate goes down rapidly and look how prosperous they are now. Japan protects their people from Muslim attacks by banning Mosque and temples to prevent terrorist attack. China kills the criminals who performed murder, rape, and other killings to be executed, ordered by the judge.

Yet, you call these amoral? No, it's what I called, "Getting the JOB done!" The Punisher kills bad people as if, he discriminates them as to be their own group, their own people, and their own thing in their culture. I agree to what the Punisher does. Let us kill every scumbags by putting the foot down and force bad people to be good--like it or not. Is this moral? NO! Because America in their culture, has been killing rapist and murderers in an execution chair back then. So, is it morally wrong to kill Adolf Hitler as an example of an evildoer?
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 07, 2018, 03:41:42 PM
Per the bible, do you know the reason why god CANNOT destroy evil?

And no, it's not because he chooses not to.

*Hint*
Think about the serpent.

It's because daddy love his creation as if it was his own son.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGFLyA3u_rw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGFLyA3u_rw)

It's no wonder why the angels in Heaven doesn't like God very much because HE KEPT HIM! If you had a son who is just an embarrassment, will you send him back to Laos and disappear forever? Most rich folks to do that to their own child in the family because of disgrace.

Yet, you call me amoral. Do you want a son who is born as a monster when you know that your other two sons doesn't want you to have this one? When your monster son gets out of the house, do you trust him to go out there and accidentally brings a mob back home with pitchforks, shovels, knives, and guns? Your other two sons will blame you for letting a loose cannon out there to run amok.

My friend...monst ers deserves to die because of their birth right. Made monsters don't deserve to die because they can change. The Made vs. The Born are different.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 07, 2018, 03:43:47 PM
If you can answer the question below, tbats when there's a chance for you for to understand why "I don't mind if I am dictator by forcing people to do good only and never know evil." is immoral.

What type of animal was the leader of the farm at the beginning of the and at the end of the book? (Humans are considered as animals here)

*Hint* they're both the same kind.

So you're going to let evil run amok? Congratulation s, you just perform a crusade between good and evil like some superhero vs super villains for eons to go.

You're not solving the problem; you're letting the problem to happen. I solve it; you don't. You let it run; I don't. Do you lock your doors at night?
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 07, 2018, 03:53:14 PM
So you're a nihilist. This is why you are amoral. You don't know and don't care. Morally right or wrong. And like I mentioned earlier, it is morally subjective based soley on your fear of god. That's why when you no longer have that fear, when god is dead, your morality change.

No bro. There's a difference between me and God. God is God; I is I!

I will not let evil run amok. He allows it, not me. Why allow evil to run amok every time? Is it morally wrong to let a loose cannon to run amok when you know that he/she is a loose cannon? You have two options:

1. Let the society, family, or your own siblings to bich at you for letting a loose cannon run amok.

2. You feel pity and sad for the loose cannon because he/she doesn't have his/her freedom from his/her solitude.

Your choice friend. Why did you think hell is invented by God for Lucifer? HE KNOWS Lucy will be evil; yet, He doesn't want to believe that Lucy will become evil because He believes there is hope for a born monster. Why did you think the angel starts to bich at God for having this creature in the first place? Imagine you own two children complains about you, letting one of your sons to be out there in the public when you know he's a loose cannon. Which one is worst since I am putting you on a pedestal for you to be on a role as God. If you're God and you have only these two options, which one will you choose on the bold numbers. Do you want to get bich at, or you just feel pity at one of your sons who's a monster that will never change at all.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 07, 2018, 04:13:14 PM
Like I said before, "I is I; God is God." I know He's alive, but there are some things I don't agree on allowing this to happen. If I had a time machine, I will destroy the fruits the bare evil wisdom in that garden. My family thinks I am a dictator for not allowing a child to be at least be naughty for once.

How is is immoral if I burn that sinister tree down in Eden? Please, to tell me why is it wrong? I am just protecting, that is all.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 07, 2018, 04:58:11 PM
If man isn't really to play the gun of morality, then it's best for man to be made into robots of not knowing, "The knowing."

At least there will be peace upon a group like this who never taste to feel so alive. The feeling so alive can be a bad thing because morality can change a man into two colors: Good and Evil. When Batman's parents died and tasted morality for the first time of his life, he turned good in the end. However, as for the other hero, the Punisher, he became the anti-hero for life. Do you not see the crusade of eternity? Do you not see that feeling sooooo alive can be a bad thing when one is not ready to be responsibility to wield morality on their own? Read the Book of Samuel and God knows why humanity isn't ready to wield morality upon their grasp! It changes a person to black or white. That's the chemical reaction of morality when someone is dipped into the pools of morality. Morality can turn a man into a monster; morality can turn a man into a saint.

I finally understand why Aristotle said, "It's what rocks dreamed of." It's for man to be that rock until they are ready to wield, "The Knowing."
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 07, 2018, 05:04:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RhX3lRJQMg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RhX3lRJQMg)

I would have been like Nemo's dad, protecting his kid from harm. This is how I see humans as to be when they think they can wield morality and the knowing on their own.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on November 10, 2018, 03:51:43 AM
Like I said before, "I is I; God is God." I know He's alive, but there are some things I don't agree on allowing this to happen. If I had a time machine, I will destroy the fruits the bare evil wisdom in that garden. My family thinks I am a dictator for not allowing a child to be at least be naughty for once.

How is is immoral if I burn that sinister tree down in Eden? Please, to tell me why is it wrong? I am just protecting, that is all.

His nature is to allow evil to  in this world, even if it means to constantly make humanity suffer. He allows monsters to do evil upon the world. And if you truly think all those things that you said, destroying evil, not letting humans suffer because of evil, is a morally right; and letting evil to run amok in the world is immoral, that would mean that you are morally right and god morally wrong. In other words, you are moral and god is immoral. So why would you worship an immoral god? Such an immoral god like that doesn't even deserve to be worship. And if that god claim to love his children, why "punish" them for all eternity. Any moral being would not condemn someone to torture, pain and suffering for all eternity, especially when some didn't have the knowledge to understand that what they did was wrong simply because god never explained it to them so they can understand. No wrong act and/or sin equate to eternal punishment especially if the evil was caused by another being, originated from Satan.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 10, 2018, 04:43:39 PM
His nature is to allow evil to  in this world, even if it means to constantly make humanity suffer. He allows monsters to do evil upon the world. And if you truly think all those things that you said, destroying evil, not letting humans suffer because of evil, is a morally right; and letting evil to run amok in the world is immoral, that would mean that you are morally right and god morally wrong. In other words, you are moral and god is immoral. So why would you worship an immoral god? Such an immoral god like that doesn't even deserve to be worship. And if that god claim to love his children, why "punish" them for all eternity. Any moral being would not condemn someone to torture, pain and suffering for all eternity, especially when some didn't have the knowledge to understand that what they did was wrong simply because god never explained it to them so they can understand. No wrong act and/or sin equate to eternal punishment especially if the evil was caused by another being, originated from Satan.

Clearly, when did I ever say God is immoral? I have never said He is immoral; I am saying that evil must not exist, even IF the cost to make us stupidly innocent, I prefer of not knowing pain and only joy. My brothers thinks my world view is "NOT ALIVE" and I think his world view to be insane.

As a Christian person who reads more, you believe that man should have the freewill to do the hell he/she wants. I rather be Nemo's dad in Finding Nemo, protecting at all cost to make sure they stay innocent. If you allow freedom of evil, then harm will come and destroy EVERYONE! Do you not see that feeling sooooo alive is not ready for humanity to feel or know that way? I haven't lost my faith in God; however, as a human, I will throw a fit at Him for allow such gift that we aren't ready for. It's best for man to be stupid and innocent rather than knowing "The Knowing" and be evil to each other. At least a caveman who is isolated from the world can live at peace with everyone; yet, they kept their innocent intact. So tell me, are we ready for such knowledge?

If I am you, I will look at America how they are doing it and how they are not saving lives, but they are taking lives in their own cesspool! Truly, man isn't ready and if you don't care or pay a heed to the suffering of man is because we aren't ready! We will never be; we will never get it for eternity. It will take a miracle to change this behavior of ours and I truly believe to FIX the solution is to force peace upon on everyone. Just look at how Japan is doing it by controlling the Muslim not bombing their country into devastation. Also, look at the Philippine islands where they kill drug dealers on the spot. What about America? NO! They profit from the poor, the criminal, and colored people. By putting a foot down and say, "Enough is enough" will change the world into a better world. Man's suffering comes from their irresponsibili ty of their own action of freedom; yet, we cannot control freedom in our grasp. Yet, you think I shouldn't be worshipping God? I still do, but I have my differences to change that. If you see me as King Saul, so be it! I rather put my foot down and change it.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on November 14, 2018, 02:08:10 AM
Clearly, when did I ever say God is immoral? I have never said He is immoral; I am saying that evil must not exist, even IF the cost to make us stupidly innocent, I prefer of not knowing pain and only joy. My brothers thinks my world view is "NOT ALIVE" and I think his world view to be insane.you just destroyed your own argument.

As a Christian person who reads more, you believe that man should have the freewill to do the hell he/she wants. I rather be Nemo's dad in Finding Nemo, protecting at all cost to make sure they stay innocent. and you the result of that? Innocence caused nemo to be captured.  And innocence wasn't the thing that got him out.If you allow freedom of evil, then harm will come and destroy EVERYONE! Do you not see thatNo it won't.  Knowing evil will help humanity overcome it easier, even prevent it. But being ignorant, they won't even know what to do in tthe face of evil. And having it take over someone without them realizing it is worse.  feeling sooooo alive is not ready for humanity to feel or know that way? I haven't lost my faith in God; however, as a human, I will throw a fit at Him for allow such gift that we aren't ready for. It's best for man to be stupid and innocent rather than knowing "The Knowing" and be evil to each other. You're wrong, being stupid and innocent is how people do evil to others and how evil is done to you without you realizing it. Being stupid and innocent is how people don't take responsibility for their actions.At least a caveman who is isolated from the world can live at peace with everyone; yet, they kept their innocent intact. No, they can be murdering someone thinking that it's okay to do it.  So tell me, are we ready for such knowledge?yes we are, and have been ready.

If I am you, I will look at America how they are doing it and how they are not saving lives, but they are taking lives in their own cesspool! Truly, man isn't ready and if you don't care or pay a heed to the suffering of man is because we aren't ready! We will never be; we will never get it for eternity. It will take a miracle to change this behavior of ours and I truly believe to FIX the solution is to force peace upon on everyone. That's how it is and will continue to be like that if humanity is ignorant of evil. Forced peace doesn't last. History have shown that. Look at Vietnam today and compared it to the forced peace in the past. Forced peace may have stopped the fighting for a short period, but resulting in a divided Vietnam and having one of the most bloody war.Just look at how Japan is doing it by controlling the Muslim not bombing their country into devastation. How do you think Japan is doing?Also, look at the Philippine islands where they kill drug dealers on the spot.First of all, that's murder. And just because someone thinks that what they are doing is morally right doesn't mean that it is morally right. Their President may have had good intentions to fight the drug war, but he is not taking responsibility for the bad results, instead, he is putting the blame on others and/or looking the other way pretending there's that nothing bad filament out of it. Instructing law enforcement to kill people who having anything to with drugs isn't solving the drug problem.  It's making it worse. Drugs are still available and for cheaper price. People are committing murder using his "war on drugs" policy as an excuse and he is not taking responsibility for it, instead , he lies about the policy being effective. It's obvious that it's not working if the supposed drug kills increase every year. Hitler and the Nazi did really think that they were saving the world by killing the jews , it wasn't just out of hate, but actually thinking that tbey are getting rid of evil people. Murder rate has gone up and the drug problem has gotten worse. Just because someone does it, doesn't mean that you should do the same.   What about America? NO! They profit from the poor, the criminal, and colored people. Ignorance is a major cause of it. People not knowing that what they are doing is bad. And/or People looking at it and turning away not seeing anything wrong with it.By putting a foot down and say, "Enough is enough" will change the world into a better world. Man's suffering comes from their irresponsibili ty of their own action of freedom; The only way to take responsibility is for people to know that what they did was wrong and how to correct it and prevent it from happening again in the future. Just look at some people in here, constantly saying how wrong the other people are but at the same time calling them stupid names. And many times, it's not even about that particular subject. yet, we cannot control freedom in our grasp. Yet, you think I shouldn't be worshipping God?  An immoral god doesn't deserve to be worship. A god commanding someone to murder their child doesn't deserve to be worship. A god who doesn't think that slavery isn't immoral doesn't deserve to be worship. I still do, but I have my differences to change that. And That's why you are saying that your way is moral and his is immoral. Correcting his immoral nature. That's of the reasons as to why religious dogma is bad. It wil make a rational person into an irrational one on the spot, simply because they don't want their religion to be wrong. Realizing that someone's own religion has immoral teachings is the beginning of their ignorance. Admiittng that, is what I call taking responsibility .  If you see me as King Saul, so be it! I rather put my foot down and change it.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 17, 2018, 01:33:21 PM
Then I take it where you allow evil to run around to do a lot of damage. Congratulation, you just allowed the eternal crusade of good vs. evil where us normal people will die in the between the crossfire. Maybe we might get sandwich from these two. If you think the Philippine island is doing wrong by just killing criminals, do you think Adolf Hitler deserves to die? If I had the power of time cloning, I will clone one billion of Adolf Hitler and perform a holocaust on those clones of Adolf Hitler to insult the evil community. If I am God in HIS shoes, I will create a universe without anyone except me. Also, I too, will agree to the accord of what the angels have said to God that we don't deserve to come into existence because of what we will become. Yet, HE F-EN DOES IT!

By reading the entire Old Testament, I come to a conclusion that mankind don't deserve to be human until they are ready. If they can't, oh well--so be it. As I quote:

"Hitler and the Nazi did really think that they were saving the world by killing the jews , it wasn't just out of hate, but actually thinking that tbey are getting rid of evil people. Murder rate has gone up and the drug problem has gotten worse. Just because someone does it, doesn't mean that you should do the same"

Hitler was targeting Jews as a race; I target the rapist community, the murderer community, and every scumbag to be put in a concentration camp before burning them alive. How is this wrong? If the Punisher can kill a very bad-bad-bad guy and saved millions, why not?

Quote: "Ignorance is a major cause of it. People not knowing that what they are doing is bad. And/or People looking at it and turning away not seeing anything wrong with it."

It's not ignorance; it's "The Knowing." The more you know; the more you will be crazy. The more you know; the more you WISH you didn't know.

Quote: " The only way to take responsibility is for people to know that what they did was wrong and how to correct it and prevent it from happening again in the future."

And how is that going for you? You seem to contain it; yet, don't change from it. Mankind cannot contain it because man doesn't want to. Some men likes to do bad because it's their taste to which I hate. My solution is to force them to BE good by straightening them out as if the good rapes the minds of evil to where unicorns and rainbows makes them want to puke. How is that wrong? Because I see double-standard in you. I offer my solution to solve evil and by doing that is to harm their minds by straightening them out. It's like you force your son to get straight +As since he doesn't want to get an A in any of his classes because he prefers the F because he likes it. Well, a failure will be force live on a standard to where we can accept. Why do you think not many people respects the homeless? It's because of what they choose to become as their career in life. If I become a president, I will force every homeless to go and get a job, like it or not--OKAY DADDY, GEE!

Quote: "And That's why you are saying that your way is moral and his is immoral. Correcting his immoral nature."

I have never said He's immoral. Please, where did I say He's immoral and my literal words that comes from my mouth. I have said that He is He as I am I. You don't get that phrase, do you? We live on the same coin; however, I am on the other side of the coin. You see, the coin is morality. Morality can turn a man into a saint or an executioner. Well, I become an executioner because morality has turn me into that. Morality is a gun and most people don't see this as I do; yet, I wish that I am not that too curious to read moral books from time to time since it's better than to be stupid and humble than to be smart and evil. Have you not seen Flowers for Algernon?
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on November 18, 2018, 01:22:24 PM
Then I take it where you allow evil to run around to do a lot of damage. Leave the strawman in the corn field and not use it in this discussion. And this is the part that you are not understanding. Your asserted conclusion shows the basis to your argument, ignorance, which is also the flaw in your proposed solution. With ignorance, you are the one who is actually allowing evil to roam around freely. We both proposed a solution to stop evil. Your way allows evil to take over humanity unknowingly and willfully due to no defence against it. As a result, the person who is consumed by evil end up as collateral damage. I on the other hand, proposed the solution of humanity being aware of what evil is and learning to see it in whatever shape it takes, and when confronted by it, has the means to defeat it. I deal with the cause of the problem and prevent it from the beginning. You, on the other hand wait for the symptoms to happen and only get rid of symptoms.   Congratulation, you just allowed the eternal crusade of good vs. evil where us normal people will die in the between the crossfire. We seeing evil creeping from a distance is a lot better than having evil already on your front door selling you things or worse, already sitting on the couch in your living room.   Maybe we might get sandwich from these two. If you think the Philippine island is doing wrong by just killing criminals, Their "war on drugs " policy has taken many lives but have the drug problem been solved? No. Have the drug trafficking been affected by the policy? No, drug prices are lower than ever.do you think Adolf Hitler deserves to die? If I had the power of time cloning, I will clone one billion of Adolf Hitler and perform a holocaust on those clones of Adolf Hitler to insult the evil community. Again, ignorance, had prevented you from seeing the many different forms of evil. The killer of Adolf Hitler had become Adolf Hitler without knowing it, and thats before  initiating the holocaust.  If I am God in HIS shoes, I will create a universe without anyone except me. Also, I too, will agree to the accord of what the angels have said to God that we don't deserve to come into existence because of what we will become. Yet, HE F-EN DOES IT!According to biblical teachings, we did deserve to exist because we are better than the angels. Humanity has the will to face evil and ultimately defeat it. That's why the angels were jealous of us. Humanity can achieve what they cannot. Isn't the reason as to why Satan hated humanity because god created humanity starting with nothing but will become something greater and surpassing the angels to where humanity is able to sit by the side of god? To be confronted by evil and having the will to defeat it, is the ultimate victory. Choosing to be blind to evil, means that you have surrendered, and evil has already won.

By reading the entire Old Testament, I come to a conclusion that mankind don't deserve to be human until they are ready. If they can't, oh well--so be it.Preventing mankind from growing up and being prepared will result in them to never be ready. A blind man cannot reach the top of the hill if his attendant is leading him downhill.  As I quote:

"Hitler and the Nazi did really think that they were saving the world by killing the jews , it wasn't just out of hate, but actually thinking that tbey are getting rid of evil people. Murder rate has gone up and the drug problem has gotten worse. Just because someone does it, doesn't mean that you should do the same"

Hitler was targeting Jews as a race; I target the rapist community, the murderer community, and every scumbag to be put in a concentration camp before burning them alive. How is this wrong? Because just like you, Hitler justified his actions and targeted an "evil" community, the Jews.  If the Punisher can kill a very bad-bad-bad guy and saved millions, why not?  If after the Punisher kills millions and there are still millions of killers out there, how is that stopping evil? And of those millions, how many and which ones are first time offenders? And/or the ones who are not willing to murder again? When you start targeting and killing a particular community, you are no longer justified. Reason being, you are now killing a person not for what they did, but for what they are/were. A big time drug dealer is not the same as a curious kid trying a small amount of drug for the first time. It's injustice to kill both of them for possession of drugs thinking that they deserve the same punishment. 

Quote: "Ignorance is a major cause of it. People not knowing that what they are doing is bad. And/or People looking at it and turning away not seeing anything wrong with it."

It's not ignorance; it's "The Knowing." The more you know; the more you will be crazy. The less you know, the more you will be crazy, lacking the knowledge to understand why you are being crazy.  The more you know; the more you WISH you didn't know. The more you wish you didn't know, is the result of you fearing the truth.

Quote: " The only way to take responsibility is for people to know that what they did was wrong and how to correct it and prevent it from happening again in the future."

And how is that going for you? You seem to contain it; yet, don't change from it. Mankind cannot contain it because man doesn't want to. Some men likes to do bad because it's their taste to which I hate. And a lot of men do bad things because they don't realize that what they are doing is wrong. Dead men can't learn from their mistakes. My solution is to force them to BE good by straightening them out as if the good rapes the minds of evil to where unicorns and rainbows makes them want to puke. How is that wrong? Because I see double-standard in you. I offer my solution to solve evil and by doing that is to harm their minds by straightening them out. Actually, you have the double standard. Your argument is the one that forbids harm only when harm is being done to force someone into doing good. And there lies the problem again. Being forced to not do evil will not solve the problem itself. All it's doing is wash, rinse and wait until evil resurface in a
Recognizable form and repeat the process over. By staying ignorant of evil, not knowing how to recognize or having any means of preventing it results in the cycle repeating itself over and over again.   It's like you force your son to get straight +As since he doesn't want to get an A in any of his classes because he prefers the F because he likes it. Well, a failure will be force live on a standard to where we can accept. And by forcing him to get A's, he will go back to
Getting F's again once the is no more authority figure, not understanding why one should strive to get A's instead of F's Why do you think not many people respects the homeless? It's because of what they choose to become as their career in life. If I become a president, I will force every homeless to go and get a job, like it or not--OKAY DADDY, GEE!And by not understanding why having a job is good for them, they either refuse to get a job or get a job and be unsatisfied and return to their old ways.

Quote: "And That's why you are saying that your way is moral and his is immoral. Correcting his immoral nature."

I have never said He's immoral. Please, where did I say He's immoral and my literal words that comes from my mouth. I have said that He is He as I am I. You don't get that phrase, do you? We live on the same coin; however, I am on the other side of the coin. You see, the coin is morality. Morality can turn a man into a saint or an executioner.Morality is the coin, and a coin has either head or tail, moral or immoral. It's a contradiction to be both head and tails, moral and immoral at the same time. And by the way, this is what it means to have double standards, saying that something isn't immoral when it goes against what you believe to be moral simply to not make someone on your side not look as if they are not immoral.  Well, I become an executioner because morality has turn me into that. Morality is a gun and most people don't see this as I do; No, morality is what determines our action to either pull the trigger or not. Saying that morality turned you into an executioner is considered as not taking responsibility for your actions and shifting the blame onto morality. You are responsible for your sense of morality and your actions are based on those moral beliefs. yet, I wish that I am not that too curious to read moral books from time to time since it's better than to be stupid and humble than to be smart and evil. Have you not seen Flowers for Algernon?
Not responding to criticism or remarks due to not realizing them does not mean that you are being humble.  Nor does being smart makes you evil. Having knowledge is what makes you choose to be humble. Charlie began as being ignorant and therefore didn't even realize that he was being mistreated. Evil was being done the whole time. Once Charlie's intelligence surface, he was mistreating others without realizing it. He was confronted by evil with no warnings and not knowing what to do, he willingly, unwillingly, or even perhaps mistakenly got consumed by evil. It's when found the knowledge to understand it, only then was he able to defeat evil. Having gain the knowledge, he took the responsibility of letting others know instead of letting them stay ignorant. That's when he determined what his sense of morality was. You are able to tell in the story when he came to recognize morality and chose to do the right choice.   


And that is what morality is.  It's not simply just about good and evil, but what is right and wrong. By not believing that murder is wrong even though you are not committing murder at this very moment, simply just waiting for the right moment, does not mean that you are a moral person. Simply waiting for the the day when you acknowledged that there is not god to finally commit murder makes you immoral.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on November 18, 2018, 01:35:04 PM
BTW, using a two headed coin means that you do not care about what is right or wrong as long as it suits you at the moment. In the Dark knight,  the black prisoner on the boat who threw the detonator out the window was more moral than Gotham's white knight. One has a clear understanding of what morality is, while the other on misunderstood it and used it as an excuse to do what he wants.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 18, 2018, 04:30:36 PM
Quote: "And a lot of men do bad things because they don't realize that what they are doing is wrong. Dead men can't learn from their mistakes"

UH...some men do and they don't give a fudge! I am talking about those people. The ones that don't will never do this because they have a conscience. The ones who throws conscience into the trash, find morality as insulting and racial discrimination TO their kinds of attitude, will purge whoever has conscience. Just look at Lucifer. He knows what he did is wrong; however, does he care? NO! This proves you wrong here. Because I am talking about the ones like these who throws conscience into the trash, steps on it, and calls it, "A total, righteous, virtuous ****." Some men likes being bad because you haven't seen one yet. I have. They don't care if they are wrong. Just look at the Japanese people who haven't apologize to China yet. At least America know what they did is wrong by mushroom bombing two cities in Japan.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 18, 2018, 04:34:16 PM
Quote: "The less you know, the more you will be crazy, lacking the knowledge to understand why you are being crazy."

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False! I don't see dumb people who goes crazy. Do you see one? Because I haven't. In my life, I have never seen a crazy dumb guy with no education, a high school drop out pulling on some smarty-artsy-fartsy moves about Darwinian theory, ethical philosophy, and literature on some debate. Most dumb people who knows they are drop outs will never talk because they aren't a big shot.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 18, 2018, 04:40:19 PM
BTW, using a two headed coin means that you do not care about what is right or wrong as long as it suits you at the moment. In the Dark knight,  the black prisoner on the boat who threw the detonator out the window was more moral than Gotham's white knight. One has a clear understanding of what morality is, while the other on misunderstood it and used it as an excuse to do what he wants.

Yet, you are blind to see the wrongs in morality of what it can turn a man into. Morality can make you become an executioner or a saint. About 90% of the time, people will become an executioner rather than a saint. Do tell me, are we ready for such knowledge as morality? Mankind is never ready to be expose in some rate-R scripture to where they cannot process that in their brains. I truly believe that the nightmares of mankind and having Jesus to die for us is to tell humanity that we don't deserve His grace. I for one, am not worthy.

You have your solution; however, the process is too slow to the point, you are already dead at your old age before you even see your dream to come true. Mine, however, is a lot faster like a boom shot in Gears of War 2. All you need is to gather the criminals in the jail cell, find the level 10 highest criminal to be lined up in a circle, then you get your boom shot and blast them into smithereens. Job DONE! No more criminal will do harm to any others until they revolt for the rights of evil. I would like to see a riot of evil people, killing good people for not letting them rape people as they do as they please.

We have gone from race to the hearts of man.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 18, 2018, 04:44:34 PM
Quote: " And by forcing him to get A's, he will go back to
Getting F's again once the is no more authority figure, not understanding why one should strive to get A's instead of F's"

Then he dies from starvation. Some people will choose to starve and spit at food because food is an insult to their stomach. They rather choose to eat turd than a good steak with potatoes with rice and beans. Yet, they expect the turd to taste like steak--impossible! It's what Einsteins says about insanity:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/374291419003002088/ (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/374291419003002088/)


Homer Simpson does this when he's on the telephone pole, expecting a new result, over and over again; yet, it still the same.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 18, 2018, 04:44:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-W8Ox3YsAE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-W8Ox3YsAE)

This is what I see the ones who are like this
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on November 18, 2018, 10:25:19 PM
Quote: "And a lot of men do bad things because they don't realize that what they are doing is wrong. Dead men can't learn from their mistakes"

UH...some men do and they don't give a fudge! I am talking about those people. The ones that don't will never do this because they have a conscience. Having a conscience means that you have some sort of moral code that you follow. They have a guilty conscience whenever they do/Did something that goes against their moral code. Some people might believe that murder is wrong but rape isn't. They still care about being right or wrong. So what happens then? The ones who throws conscience into the trash, find morality as insulting and racial discrimination TO their kinds of attitude, will purge whoever has conscience. Just look at Lucifer. He knows what he did is wrong; however, does he care? NO! This proves you wrong here. Because I am talking about the ones like these who throws conscience into the trash, steps on it, and calls it, "A total, righteous, virtuous ****." Some men likes being bad because you haven't seen one yet. I have. They don't care if they are wrong. Just look at the Japanese people who haven't apologize to China yet. Not apologizing does not mean that they care if they are wrong. There Can be other possible reasons for them not apologizing. Making claim without giving evidence doesn't validate your argument. At least America know what they did is wrong by mushroom bombing two cities in Japan.

You never answered my question from the other post. What is define as a "monster"? And how do you differentiate a monster from a human?
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on November 18, 2018, 10:42:30 PM
Quote: "The less you know, the more you will be crazy, lacking the knowledge to understand why you are being crazy."

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False! I don't see dumb people who goes crazy. Do you see one? Because I haven't. In my life, I have never seen a crazy dumb guy with no education, a high school drop out pulling on some smarty-artsy-fartsy moves about Darwinian theory, ethical philosophy, and literature on some debate. Most dumb people who knows they are drop outs will never talk because they aren't a big shot.

This is a fallacy.  To be specific,  it's the argument from ignorance.

And the less you know about a particular subject, makes you go crazy because you don't have the answers to your questions. Some people will even use irrational ideas as an answer to their questions.

BTW, I've met uneducated high school dropouts who are more moral than some educated ones.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on November 19, 2018, 12:06:20 AM
Yet, you are blind to see the wrongs in morality of what it can turn a man into. Morality can make you become an executioner or a saint. If that's what you consider it to be, then you are talking about something else, and not morality. You choose your code morality. Your actions are based on those moral codes that you choose to follow, blaming your wrongdoing on morality is just shifting the blame because you won't take responsibility for your actions.  About 90% of the time, people will become an executioner rather than a saint. Do tell me, are we ready for such knowledge as morality? Of course we are, that's the only way for someone to be a moral person. Only an amoral person would choose to reject having knowledge of morality.  Mankind is never ready to be expose in some rate-R scripture to where they cannot process that in their brains.While I do agree that some people are not ready and cannot process it, but overall,  mankind itself is ready for it. Mankind have been ready for it for a long time now, ever since when we were able to determine what is good and what is evil, right from wrong. I truly believe that the nightmares of mankind and having Jesus to die for us is to tell humanity that we don't deserve His grace. I for one, am not worthy. While I don't believe in the bible, logic would suggest that if someone decided to start preaching and spreading his ideas to people, that means that that person believe that people are ready to learn what is being taught. If you truly feel that you are not worthy and not ready, then your whole argument falls apart. The more you wish you didn't know, the more you become ignorant, thus, the more you lack the knowledge to understand it.  Someone ignorant in morality shouldn't be the one to teach/lead humanity in morality. They are not qualify to do so.

You have your solution; however, the process is too slow to the point, you are already dead at your old age before you even see your dream to come true. Mine, however, is a lot faster like a boom shot in Gears of War 2. All you need is to gather the criminals in the jail cell, find the level 10 highest criminal to be lined up in a circle, then you get your boom shot and blast them into smithereens. Job DONE! No more criminal will do harm to any others until they revolt for the rights of evil. I would like to see a riot of evil people, killing good people for not letting them rape people as they do as they please.
This is morality we're talking about here, not a race to see who reach the finish line first. Therefore, using your immoral way defeats the purpose of attempting to make mankind moral. Just because someone thinks that his actions were moral, doesn't necessarily mean that it is. A person will commit immoral acts believing it to be moral if that was what they were being taught   

We have gone from race to the hearts of man.

And your way does not solve the problem. Reacting to symptoms of a problem is not solving the problem, it's simply just dealing with the symptoms at hand. Solving the problem is to not have the symptoms showing up,  like my way.

Sure, a doctor can just give a patient some pain relievers for his headache and send him On his way. Yes, the pain will go away right there and then return later. Or a doctor can actually try and figure out what is causing the headaches. Once diagnosed, the doctor can now find a way to get rid of the headaches permanently by removing the brain tumor.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on November 19, 2018, 12:41:22 AM
Quote: " And by forcing him to get A's, he will go back to
Getting F's again once the is no more authority figure, not understanding why one should strive to get A's instead of F's"

Then he dies from starvation. Some people will choose to starve and spit at food because food is an insult to their stomach. They rather choose to eat turd than a good steak with potatoes with rice and beans. Yet, they expect the turd to taste like steak--impossible! It's what Einsteins says about insanity:Exactly, that's why those who do immoral acts after learning that god doesn't exist won't last. By not understanding morality and only refuse to do immoral acts out of fear of god, immoral people and at most amoral. These are the ones that Nietzsche were referring to tbat turns to irrationality and chaos. Confused and not knowing what to do. But like Nietzsche said, they won't last long. And once they are gone, humanity will continue to rebuild and evolve. That's one reason as to why they cannot see and/or imagine pass the chaos stage.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/374291419003002088/ (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/374291419003002088/)


Homer Simpson does this when he's on the telephone pole, expecting a new result, over and over again; yet, it still the same.Ironic how it is exactly like the solution you proposed. Killing the immoral people thinking that it's over, only to end up having to do it over again and agai.


This reminds me of a zombie apocalypse. You go by protecting people from zombies by locking them behind a walled city, killing any zombie  that is spotted inside. Every now and then some zombie pop up, sometimes killing a few survivors but pretty much is eliminated once spotted. This cycle goes on, not knowing how they got inside even after checking all fortifications .

I, on the other hand keep survivors inside a fortified city as well, difference is that I teach them about defending themselves and keeping an eye out for zombies. While doing that,  I also look for the cure for the zombie virus. It may take some time to find a cure, but at least on the way I was able to to find out how it's being transmitted and finding ways to prevent the spread of the virus. Also everyone in the city would also have this knowledge. My citizens knows the reasons as to why it's dangerous outside the city walls, but also know what to do in case they end up being outside.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 19, 2018, 04:23:19 PM
This is a fallacy.  To be specific,  it's the argument from ignorance.

And the less you know about a particular subject, makes you go crazy because you don't have the answers to your questions. Some people will even use irrational ideas as an answer to their questions.

BTW, I've met uneducated high school dropouts who are more moral than some educated ones.

How is this a fallacy? Have you met one who doesn't just give a damn they do? Because I have seen inconsiderate people who does this in their nature because they can. From the smallest to the biggest; yet, you think this is a fallacy. I bet you haven't met the worst. Because I have.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 19, 2018, 04:40:29 PM
Quote: "While I don't believe in the bible, logic would suggest that if someone decided to start preaching and spreading his ideas to people, that means that that person believe that people are ready to learn what is being taught. If you truly feel that you are not worthy and not ready, then your whole argument falls apart. The more you wish you didn't know, the more you become ignorant, thus, the more you lack the knowledge to understand it.  Someone ignorant in morality shouldn't be the one to teach/lead humanity in morality. They are not qualify to do so"


Then do tell me. Why is that people are getting smarter and more evil each day? It's no wonder why the Tower of Babel is never made to be the wisdom of man.

Quote: "Of course we are, that's the only way for someone to be a moral person. Only an amoral person would choose to reject having knowledge of morality. "

To be amoral is when one knows moral. An amoral cannot sudden appear by a person for that is not possible. There's a cause and effect. My effect is that after knowing, "The Knowing," from Frederich Nietzsche, man's not even ready to achieve such greatness.

Let me put you an example of a parable. There's a rich man who has a lot of money and the mountain is his money and success. However, for his cruelty, nobody in the world pays attention to that mountain for what the rich man has accomplished. Living in a mountain alone with no one to share leads to those celebrities to commit suicide like how a man with many wives and many problems lead to his death. Robin William is a good example and he slept with girls to the point, he committed suicide from depression. It's sin that makes a man depress. Have you not watch the Bohemian Rhapsody? That's the kind of a man who sits in mountain of success with no one to share or to love; yet, he/she likes that way because they choose to be cruel.

Do you not see that man isn't ready for such greatness because it can turn a man's pride into a monster pride.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 19, 2018, 04:44:12 PM
Quote: "Having a conscience means that you have some sort of moral code that you follow. They have a guilty conscience whenever they do/Did something that goes against their moral code. Some people might believe that murder is wrong but rape isn't. They still care about being right or wrong. So what happens then?"

So you agree to the Hmong people who kidnaps other Hmong ladies and force marriage them in Vietnam? You talk about culture. Okay. Let me give you a picture if you accept Hmong culture thoroughly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWQn5AWeRLg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWQn5AWeRLg)

I want to see if you react if this is wrong. To others, it's not because they don't care. As a moral objectivism, I will be like those animals who kills the pigs in Animal Farm. Justice is unfair to the unjust because unjust discriminates morality like a brat who throws a fit.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 19, 2018, 04:46:45 PM
Quote: "While I do agree that some people are not ready and cannot process it, but overall,  mankind itself is ready for it. Mankind have been ready for it for a long time now, ever since when we were able to determine what is good and what is evil, right from wrong"

And what is the percentage of that? You do agree that there more bad people than good people. So tell, what's the percentage of that?
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 19, 2018, 04:50:47 PM
Quote: "While I don't believe in the bible, logic would suggest that if someone decided to start preaching and spreading his ideas to people, that means that that person believe that people are ready to learn what is being taught. If you truly feel that you are not worthy and not ready, then your whole argument falls apart."

Have you read the entire Old Testament? You should read it. It's nothing more than one of those moral books like Animal Farm, Heart of Darkness, Lord of the Flies, etc. It's the darkest of man and I believe you should read it. Then you will know what I am talking about.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 19, 2018, 04:55:17 PM
Quote: "The more you wish you didn't know, the more you become ignorant, thus, the more you lack the knowledge to understand it."

You haven't seen a movie where Dr. Frankenstein wish he didn't create that monster. I become like him where I thought morality will make you a better man not until I realize the truth after knowing by putting the puzzle, all I see is the horrors of man that repeats over and over again. The roots of the cause comes from morality. You should read the Book of Samuel where God doesn't want man to have a nation because they aren't ready for one. Yet, they trade the Almighty who is everlasting for a mortal man to be their king. The mistakes of man is a never ending cycle of sin.

Man needs to get cure first before getting what they want. Want doesn't feed your stomach; Need does.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 19, 2018, 05:02:04 PM
Quote: "Ironic how it is exactly like the solution you proposed. Killing the immoral people thinking that it's over, only to end up having to do it over again and again."

I know that you're an atheist, but not a true one because the true atheist will be a nihilistic people where they trash morality to the ground for success is their god. They sold their families for success like the man who sits on the mountain of gold and success over for selfish reason is what he wants. Doing things behind the family's back and not telling your whereabouts is highly wrong. In the end, every birthdays for your family, you're not there. Next thing you know, your divorce because you like money and success over than your wife and kids. Then finally, suicide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_jK4GWY8L4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_jK4GWY8L4)

Success doesn't love you; success makes you selfish rather than greed. I know my dad side and my dad's stripe clan. They are all selfish and I know why he left them and never speak of them. That's because they are selfish and their lives are torn apart because of what they do. They don't care because they like it. You can bich at them and beat them up all day; yet, they don't change because it's who they are. Like I said before, they are born to be bad; they are not made to be bad.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 19, 2018, 05:09:38 PM
Quote: "Exactly, that's why those who do immoral acts after learning that god doesn't exist won't last. By not understanding morality and only refuse to do immoral acts out of fear of god, immoral people and at most amoral. These are the ones that Nietzsche were referring to tbat turns to irrationality and chaos. Confused and not knowing what to do. But like Nietzsche said, they won't last long. And once they are gone, humanity will continue to rebuild and evolve. That's one reason as to why they cannot see and/or imagine pass the chaos stage."

Men do adapt, not evolve. We aren't Pokémons. A dream for a man to know too much and suddenly, he notice that knowing too much makes him a monster. Have you not seen Venom the movie? The super villain is a good example when a man throws ethics to the trash and prefers success instead. Now, look what has happened to him in the end? It's his egotistic that lead to his death. It's his pride that killed him.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 19, 2018, 05:23:14 PM
Quote: "This reminds me of a zombie apocalypse. You go by protecting people from zombies by locking them behind a walled city, killing any zombie  that is spotted inside. Every now and then some zombie pop up, sometimes killing a few survivors but pretty much is eliminated once spotted. This cycle goes on, not knowing how they got inside even after checking all fortifications .

I, on the other hand keep survivors inside a fortified city as well, difference is that I teach them about defending themselves and keeping an eye out for zombies. While doing that,  I also look for the cure for the zombie virus. It may take some time to find a cure, but at least on the way I was able to to find out how it's being transmitted and finding ways to prevent the spread of the virus. Also everyone in the city would also have this knowledge. My citizens knows the reasons as to why it's dangerous outside the city walls, but also know what to do in case they end up being outside."

So you do see my point of view. I protect, but I protect to the extreme. Yes, if this is a zombie world, I will lock up all survivors to keep them safe from a zombie invasion. Finding a cure is key; however, to hope for that may seem brittle and thin.

The best way for me to survive is to gather more people. The thieves may be quite useful--that's if they don't rob you. A thief may steal an abandon place where zombie lives. I will use them with full hand experience while I will look like a father to a big town, protecting the lives of our species as one. Then, we can try to launch a space program to terraform Mars into our image. If Mars becomes a habitable planet, then it's time to leave the colony of Earth since Earth can no longer supply us with hospitality.

That's my vision for a doomsday on humanity. Like I said, I am on the other side of the coin. The coin represents morality; yet, it has two side: executioner and saint; Punisher and Batman.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 19, 2018, 06:53:36 PM
As Christian, I still worship Him. I may be the like Punisher or any emperor who just wants to protect his people from the real threat, there are times in politics where you have to get a gun and kill the villain. We have common ground for you and I: Morality and conscience.

I have a brain. A moral relativist DON'T have a brain since I do agree to what Sam Harris says. All you need to do is hurt them and see if they react to the pain. If they don't, then they will jump off the cliff as they are told to do. I now see that moral relativist are really bigoted. They lie and lie because they like it. Liars are born like how you see Abraham and HIS kids are like that. They are born from lying and stealing people's blessings. Stealing people's blessing is the worst crime since that is stealing someone's life and their ways of doing. That's what has happened to Hmong people vs. Chinese people when they stole our culture and applied it to them as they claim that its from them. Hmong suppose to have a country; yet, we are Esau rather Isaac.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on November 19, 2018, 07:32:25 PM
To be amoral is when one knows moral. An amoral cannot sudden appear by a person for that is not possible. There's a cause and effect. My effect is that after knowing, "The Knowing," from Frederich Nietzsche, man's not even ready to achieve such greatness.

With that reply, it's clear that you don't know what morality is. You don't know the difference between moral, amoral, and immoral. So unless you can give me your definition of "morality ", to see if you do know what it is, then there's no point in continuing this debate. Can't have a debate/discussion with someone about a topic they know nothing about or what it is.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 20, 2018, 12:19:30 AM
With that reply, it's clear that you don't know what morality is. You don't know the difference between moral, amoral, and immoral. So unless you can give me your definition of "morality ", to see if you do know what it is, then there's no point in continuing this debate. Can't have a debate/discussion with someone about a topic they know nothing about or what it is.

You think I don't know morality is? I do. You just haven't met the ugliest people that I met.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 20, 2018, 12:21:40 AM
Since you're an atheist; yet, you are so prideful that man is ready for knowledge, then don't run from this question:

Why is that humans do more bad things when they get smart? Why is that they don't use it for good? Is it because they don't care, or they don't have time to show some empathy? What is the percentage of estimation to say there are more good people with intelligence than bad people who are dumb (I hope I rephrase this correctly)?

If you haven't read the Old Testament, then the nightmares of man continues to run amok and it's all thanks to you who agree that man should abuse morality because they can. I'd say, leave for a few who can. Some may have freedom; most will not.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on November 20, 2018, 01:59:08 AM
You think I don't know morality is? I do. You just haven't met the ugliest people that I met.
Evidence suggests that you don't know. Evidence comes from your replies. Even giving a wrong definition of "amoral". That's only one example, showing that you don't know what morality is.
Claiming that you do know followed by a red herring doesn't help you here.

So stop dodging it and tell me what morality is.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 23, 2018, 07:45:15 PM
Evidence suggests that you don't know. Evidence comes from your replies. Even giving a wrong definition of "amoral". That's only one example, showing that you don't know what morality is.
Claiming that you do know followed by a red herring doesn't help you here.

So stop dodging it and tell me what morality is.

Alright, then. Let me give you an example of my uncle who was born without shame. He didn't give a fudge who he hit in public and if you blame him, he will retaliate at you. He knows he's wrong, but doesn't give a damn shiit about it. Is that amoral? NO! He knows he's wrong; he's just selfishly despise right and wrong. He do things in HIS way and if it doesn't go HIS way, you can take the high way with him if you want. That's why my family never speaks of him because he's an embarrassment to my dad's side of the family. He lives by crashing through walls and says, "Oh well, I crash and F-YOU wall. It's your fault that you were in my way and I am drunk."

Is it amoral? NO! So my evidence of knowing morality is that I don't like these kinds of people from my side and I use them as an example of them to be put here. My uncle, who recently past away, his wife and kids are celebrating that he is gone in front of my dad, which is really F-upped. They didn't want to buy a tombstone for my uncle; yet, you think this is amoral? No, they moral; they just don't care about right and wrong because they act like my uncle. Did you know that they are highly selfish as a family as they hate each other in some family feud? Did you know that my uncle is the most hated one in the entire Hmong neighborhood because of the way he behaves? Yet, you think you know everything about my side of the family who are amoral because they are not amoral. They despise morality bro and you're just blind to see that some men are born to hate their own conscience. If I go back to trace my great grandfather, he was a soldier for the Miao Tzu in China; also, heard about one of his relatives acts like that in public. It's the gene that they have and it's been pass down to my uncle, who thinks he owns the world and does the hell he wants with no manners in public, he has caused a great shame to this own kids. About all of his kids don't have any close relationship to the outside world because of the way he behaves. How would you see if you had a father or an uncle like that?


As my evidence that I am not amoral person is that humanity is NOT ready for such greatness. If you gave your six year old kid a gun as he goes around and showing it off to the people and the public, I wonder what the people will think of you. If you truly want man to achieve wisdom, wisdom without a heart will only lead to suicide like Robin Williams. Wisdom without heart is the purest of evil because when a person who can't be responsible as I see in other people's lives, they become evil. My cousin from my other side, she discriminates Hmong thugs on the spot to the point, my other cousin from Sacramento decides not to visit her as family. She's educated in nursing; yet, her prideful evil heart makes her a power-flip person to rule over you. If you are bigger than her, she will try do to ANYTHING to destroy you. She reminds me of her father side who abused their mom as my grandmother told their mom not to marry him and she did! My mother told her not to marry him and she didn't care. Now, she's divorce and she has eight kids that were like demons to her as they treat her like crap. Because they act just like their father, a hot head and a power-flip person.

That is why some people in life don't deserve such greatness unless you prove it! It's no wonder why the Asian culture has such strict rules in their society or else, they face shame. Some men are born shameless to where no other men can show empathy and pity to them--like my uncle from my dad side.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 23, 2018, 07:47:07 PM
If you ever met my uncle, then you will understand that he's an **** and he likes being one.

Did you know that he put a cigar in his kids ear for disobeying when they were at the age 4? He'd even spank other people's kids too to the point, the got beat up from them and he didn't care if they did to him. When he past away, nobody came to see him except his sisters and my dad's family. The entire neighborhood celebrated discreetly that he's dead and that is just really sad to see how he goes to the grave with no one to love him.

If I was his parents, I would throw him away and make him an orphan.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on November 23, 2018, 07:53:08 PM
I don't want your stories.  I want your definition of morality. Stop dodging the question and give me your definition.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 23, 2018, 07:59:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6aDoOzYN-U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6aDoOzYN-U)

Listen to this. Are humans ready for such greatness and wanting? Does wanting make your stomach full, or does your need makes your stomach full?

29:44 is the one that I am talking about. Wisdom without; success without a heart; pleasure without heart is key to loneliness, suicide, and many other things. 90% are like this and I believe society must force these humans to get what they need rather what they want. Need is more important than want. Need is key to survival of the heart.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 23, 2018, 08:52:05 PM
If you haven't heard of odium morality, then I suggest you should look into it. It's the next stage of nihilism and much faster than nihilism.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on November 25, 2018, 05:06:53 PM
And still no definition of morality.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 27, 2018, 04:50:13 PM
And still no definition of morality.

Again, I state my claim that man is not ready for such greatness. Knowledge can be a deadly friend as I quote this from Ravi Zecharias when knowledge can harm each other. The smart ones are the rich folks who knows how the world run. They are smarter than someone who studies books in school because as to what my uncle says, "If you just know how to be book smart; however, you don't know how to use your brain."

He discriminate educated people because they had it all; yet, they don't know how to use their brain to apply the tools of education for life. They got the tools; however, they don't know how to do it for life. As for the rich, they have all the power like a total mafia who can rule the world. They are the one percent like those Jews who rule the world. Did you know that Henry Kissinger, a Jew, has caused the Indochina Vietnam war? A Jew, planned and orchestrated everything for Hmong folks to die and to start a civil war among each other is caused by this one man. One lie, many will die. Yet, you don't see what I see because the more knowledge you intake, the more conniving you will become. It just proves that knowledge can be a friend to you and to others.


When God gave the knowledge to the Jews, what did King Solomon do? I know he fuked up, but hey, all that knowledge becomes a waste. Are we really ready? Do tell me...
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: dogmai on November 28, 2018, 10:13:55 AM
Again, I state my claim that man is not ready for such greatness. Knowledge can be a deadly friend as I quote this from Ravi Zecharias when knowledge can harm each other. The smart ones are the rich folks who knows how the world run. They are smarter than someone who studies books in school because as to what my uncle says, "If you just know how to be book smart; however, you don't know how to use your brain."

He discriminate educated people because they had it all; yet, they don't know how to use their brain to apply the tools of education for life. They got the tools; however, they don't know how to do it for life. As for the rich, they have all the power like a total mafia who can rule the world. They are the one percent like those Jews who rule the world. Did you know that Henry Kissinger, a Jew, has caused the Indochina Vietnam war? A Jew, planned and orchestrated everything for Hmong folks to die and to start a civil war among each other is caused by this one man. One lie, many will die. Yet, you don't see what I see because the more knowledge you intake, the more conniving you will become. It just proves that knowledge can be a friend to you and to others.


When God gave the knowledge to the Jews, what did King Solomon do? I know he fuked up, but hey, all that knowledge becomes a waste. Are we really ready? Do tell me...

Since you're just rambling and don't know what morality is,  there's no point in continuing this discussion.
Title: Re: Is playing morality immoral?
Post by: TheAfterLife on November 29, 2018, 04:04:39 AM
Since you're just rambling and don't know what morality is,  there's no point in continuing this discussion.

Dude, I know morality. I ain't amoral; yet, you think I am.