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Re: dating traditional insecure hmong women
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2016, 04:55:37 PM »

Fear (fear of rejection, what people think, getting hurt, etc..) and insecurity (about the family, past, self, relationship, etc..) applies to all group young and old. 

Now if you are talking about npab nauj then yes probably applies to traditional folks more like npab nauj wear shorts in winter, below 0 temperature.  Npab nauj when you try to hold her hands but she "shy away" and giggling covering her mouth, npab nauj wash clothes in the kitchen sink..

or nab nauj eat pho without using fish sauce ahhahaha.. something like that.
I think it is partly that



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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2016, 09:16:55 PM »
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Re: dating traditional insecure hmong women
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2016, 12:02:33 PM »
Here is a story:

Boy: I can't move out. I got to take care of my parents. Everyone will say I abandoned them.
Girl: I can't live like this. Your parents treat me like shlts. They lie to the whole world that I am a monster. When people see me, they give me the stink eye. I have never disobeyed your parents or mistreated them.
Boy: Don't listen to them. What matters is us. Not them. Don't listen to gossip. Just be yourself. Everyone will love you as much as I do.
Girl: ok. Because I know you have to take care of them, I'll be patient.

Mom: leave that no good monster wife you have. You are Hmong, I can buy you 10 wives.
Boy: ok mom.

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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2016, 01:13:54 PM »
Here is a story:

Boy: I can't move out. I got to take care of my parents. Everyone will say I abandoned them.
Girl: I can't live like this. Your parents treat me like shlts. They lie to the whole world that I am a monster. When people see me, they give me the stink eye. I have never disobeyed your parents or mistreated them.
Boy: Don't listen to them. What matters is us. Not them. Don't listen to gossip. Just be yourself. Everyone will love you as much as I do.
Girl: ok. Because I know you have to take care of them, I'll be patient.

Mom: leave that no good monster wife you have. You are Hmong, I can buy you 10 wives.
Boy: ok mom.

You asked for a story.

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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2017, 09:27:06 PM »
I've dated an insecure non-traditional hmong man. I can't deal with the insecurities, even when I was around him the majority of the time he still thinks I'm cheating or trying to get with someone else. After 8 months of that BS, I ended things. ::) ::) :idiot2: :idiot2:



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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2017, 10:38:29 AM »
These are my favorite type of women, it means I have less to do in order to break them down.  Back in college a girl I was seeing thought I was talking to other women from another school.  Whenever I didn't call her back she would text me accusing me of being with other women.  Well, for the most part she was right.  How do girls do that?

One day she confronted me at home and wouldn't leave until I gave her a straight answer.  I told her that I am at a low point in life and that my affairs were my way of asking for help.  If she didn't want to be with me at my lowest then she doesn't deserve me when I'm at my highest.

She left me about an hour after that, because what kind of self respecting woman wouldn't?



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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2018, 02:12:08 PM »
anyone ever have this problem? tell me your story. insecure about their past their family and always think the hmong community will think something about them or what they do. never want to just be open and honest / show who they are when its not a big deal to the rest of us. <moved>
dang bro, you just explained yourself.  :2funny: :idiot2:



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Re: dating traditional insecure hmong women
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2020, 12:53:22 PM »
Not a story but a thought.  Everyone has insecurities.  There are many things that make a person insecure.  Fear of being judged.  Fear of failure.  Fear of not living up to one's full potential.  Fear of not meeting one's own personal goals. Etc.

OK, here's a story.  I was once insecure about how other people thought of me.  I used to be somewhat traditional in my thinking because I grew up with all the traditional mindset teachings about being a good Hmong girl / about being a good Hmong nyab/ about being a good Hmong wife.  But a lot of the traditional mindset instilled in us was just a trap to keep us under a certain control, to suppress us so we continue to be submissive and do as we're told, and to stay in our lane as traditional Hmong women.  As I grew up, I realized people's opinions do not matter.  The people that love me will love me regardless because they know I am a good person and they believe in me.  I don't need to care or worry about anyone else because if they judge me then they don't know me or care about me.  So why should I care what anyone thinks if they don't love me and if they don't pay my bills.  A lot of Hmong women over extend themselves and go above and beyond to maintain an image because they care about their and their family's reputation.  Hmong women need to change their paths and ways of thinking.  Because being insecure and fearful of what others think of you is such an unnecessary burden, and it's too much of a weight to carry on your shoulders.  Just know who you are, believe in yourself, be a good person and help others when you can, and live your best life.  Break from and through the traditional mindset barriers that keep us from living an authentic, uninhibited life, that keep us from being who we truly are and being who we are capable of being.  No one knows the stress you're under on a daily basis, no one knows how sad you are behind closed doors, how much you have to do but you.  Don't let anyone take up space in your mind so much such that you allow them to cripple your personal happpiness and joy.  At the end of the day, you answer to yourself.  Only care about the people who truly love you and those people's opinions.  As long as you are a good person and are not hurting anybody, be happy with yourself.  Get rid of unnecessary insecurities and fears, get rid of the traditional mindset that holds you back from living your best life and enjoying your life to the fullest.


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Re: dating traditional insecure hmong women
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2020, 01:32:10 PM »
My post up there was more about the general insecurities and fears that chain Hmong women down.

If you're talking about gossiping and the act of freely saying what's on one's mind, then that's a different story.  There are insecure women/people that gossip and talk a lot of trash about others because they have a lot of personal insecurities, and gossiping and talking trash is their way to boost their self-esteem.  These women/people are actually not secure, rather, they are projecting and drama-loving, and are insecure in themselves.

Then you have the women/people that have discretion.  They know what is appropriate and what is not appropriate to say.  It's not that they are insecure.  They are smart, thinking individuals who know that words matter and are careful to say only things that are worth saying.  These types of women/people are actually attractive because it shows they are discerning and mature, thoughful people.  Their confidence is not shown through spreading gossip or always saying what's on their minds with no filters, but knowing when to say things and whom to say things to.



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Re: dating traditional insecure hmong women
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2020, 01:40:34 PM »
Being articulate and outspoken is another matter too.  A person can have discretion but if they are not articulate or outspoken, they are unable to share or speak their thoughts.  Not everyone is born being super articulate or outspoken.  Many things affect whether someone is articulate/outspoken or not.  Some people are smart as hell but they are just shy or reserved people.  Others just don't have the confidence to speak up, while some others don't have the vocal pipes or volume to get their voices heard over the loud/obnoxious ones.  Lol



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« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2020, 05:37:28 PM »
Being articulate and outspoken is another matter too.  A person can have discretion but if they are not articulate or outspoken, they are unable to share or speak their thoughts.  Not everyone is born being super articulate or outspoken.  Many things affect whether someone is articulate/outspoken or not.  Some people are smart as hell but they are just shy or reserved people.  Others just don't have the confidence to speak up, while some others don't have the vocal pipes or volume to get their voices heard over the loud/obnoxious ones.  Lol

I was both articulate and outspoken when I was young.  :D :P

I remember my freshmen year of HS. Asian buddies of mine, Laotian and Mien, bet me if I can talk to a group of Hmong girls inside the library by myself. So I took the bet. Actually all I did was mumbling my words out of my mouth and made the girls laugh. They have no clue what the heck I was saying. I turn back and saw my buddies frown on the behalf of my failure. To my surprise it isn't a failure. It's more like a prompt success. After lunch period, one of the girls and I walk pass by each other. She stare at me all the way where I walk toward to my locker room near my fifth period aka world history class. I realize my so called natural confidence turn her on ever since we met in the library. "It's not the words that matter, it's the performance that matters to make girls feel comfortable."  ;)



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Re: dating traditional insecure hmong women
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2023, 12:36:08 AM »
I get the impression that we are talking about dating styles and standards?




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Re: dating traditional insecure hmong women
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2025, 12:50:15 PM »
Traditional as in who's current definition of what's traditional.

If we are talking about tradiontal sense as in the intention of traditional Hmong where reverance of respect and love, then we have diverted so far from it that it's untraditional by current standards of recent.

If by recent traditional sense where everyone gossips by some standard of measurment of all others, yeah that one where it's some kind of competition to see who gets more face or social respect.  Oh that modern sense of tradition to poison the newlyweds with alchohol, who's foul sense of tradition is that really.  No wonder all the ancestors are crawling out of their graves as if they really could.  We all confuse some (family) practices and regurgitate that as tradition.  It's not.  We all can't even follow traditional Hmong head of the household.  Be it man or woman, it's called head of the household becuase it really needs the best head on the shoulders to guide and build it.  Sure it may be carrying on the paternal name from the man, but if one is married into the family it could be even said to be the in-law on the position even if he's not direct household.

There is really two archetype for standards for women in dating or courtship.  One is a family woman and the other is not compartively. 

Family woman.  One who is motherly, nurturing, and healing.

Not family woman.  One who is adventurous, equal, and challenging.

Let's leave this for now, because it's almost the same to be said about what is a traditonal Hmong Man.  Family man or not family man.

Family man. One who is fatherly, protective, and leads to build an inheritance or dynasty.  Settled and rooted in foundation and legacy.

Not family man.  One who is adventurous, rebellious, and risk taker in life.  Life is on the horizon, new experiences, places to see, places to be, and choices to make.

Sure everyone can biologically continue the lineage.  Sure anyone can be uprooted and start anew elsewhere.  Just like how Hmong have come to America, USA and such other places.  Becuase of that, we all basically started new traditions.  However some new traditions have suddenly become labeled as traditional.  Again in what sense?  How long does a family practice needs to be to become a tradition?  Maybe on just needs to share it with another family, then anoither, and another.  Poof, let's call it traditional now.

Insecurity is just one who is unfamiliar with new things or experiences and have some reservations or fear of such.  People talk as if it's so bad.  It's no different than labeling someone who's adventurous and open to unfamiliar changes as if that's some bad characteristic to have.  Take the word spontaneous and set it with pros and cons.  One can take spontaneous as a good thing or rather a bad thing.  Good thing if one can achieve good results.  Bad thing if one achieves dismal results of such.  No one truly knows in the moment of the journey.  One can only measure it at some goal posts in time.

Most of all, old people can make things up and call it tradition.  Young people just have to go with the flow.  And those who are living in this modern world right now, are constantly reinventing the definition or meaning of words. 



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« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2025, 01:48:48 PM »
Sometimes we all talk about being submissive in women as if it's a bad thing or a good thing.  Depends on the results and situations or circumtances.

Good submissive is not about expressing reactive emotions at the moment.  Speaking out of turn and saying nonsense or spewing insults could be all that comes out and measured as the results.  Often times people talk about leadership as in one who's large and in charge.  It's basically bullying all others into submission because that is the root of most people's understanding of the concept of leadership.  Often times it's the one with the loudest voice, but we know that often such the case it's not the most wise of person and just someone who is emotionally entagled at the moment.

True leadership is more about servantship or stewardship.  One who takes listening skills and compassion of others to the level of becoming a decision maker in the name of leadership.  Not everyone can do this, because it taks one who possesses altruistic behaviour and we all know that is like one in a million personal characteristic trait.  However through mental/psychological training of leadership classes and even from mentorship, those who understand mentorship and mentee and stewardship or caretaker in concepts, genrally will become competent leaders.  There are times when making a democratic decision is the right or better choice.  Sometimes there are times where making a bold decision for the one that benefits over the many is the right choice even if it seems to not be the better choice.  That has yet to be seen down the road in history to prove that.  Many lessons in history is about making the choice for the one/few that swims against the democratice many current and it's proven to be that the few survivors were the right choice.  It's a hard choice, but to survive into history can only be measured by the results of success or failure.  As sometimes or more often that the choice of the few were often the wrong choice.  This depends on being submissive or oppressive.

If one has to be submissive while being oppressed, then that where the negative connotation come from.  Again did I say who created this stupid tradition?  It's not Hmong tradition.  It's just the mindset of those who are bullies and chooses dictatorship as their leadership methodology.  Why it's almost a natural biological instinct ingrained over millions of years through evolution.  It's almost no different that when one gets pulled into an argument that the one person raises their voice and the next one does so instinctively too.  Sometimes you have to, to be the alpha because that's the only way the betas will instinctively submit.  Hmong families that insist on such traditions, well they are ruining it for what is truly Hmong traditions that's become lost in meaning.

Why do men look for a submissive women?  It's the mistaken meaning.  Men look for a woman who respects him.  That means being submissive while he is speaking and trying to convey his mindset.  That also means do not judge him yet, until he finishes to see if what he speaks of if it is wisdom or foolishness.  Only wisdom seeks understanding and correction.  Only foolishness seeks validation and coercion.  To be submissive is like a high level skill of a special kind of stewardship in a women who is motherly, caring, loving, nurturing, and forgiving.  If she doesn't have those skills, submissive is probably not one of her skills.  Then when she is submissive, she is only being oppressed by a bully of a man and not really that of a husband in marriage in a sense.  While dating, if that is the type of man who says he's looking for a submissive women, he's probably of the bullying type.  He should not have to express that ever.  It's she that either she has that skills or mentality or not.

If she truly posses the skills of submission, she is not there to challenge him or disrespect him.  She will know when to advise him, such a skill of stewardship that benefits him and her.  If dating such a person, man or woman, that should be keepers.  However dating is dating and those young selves of us, were oftern too stupid to recognize these qualities and traits.  We are stupid because we fall into the trap of Westernized romance.  When we should've been more traditional with our romance in the form of yin yang courtship.  One hot, one cold, one warm, one cool, one strong push and one soft give.  We don't fight each other, we should fight together, but from different points of views, different angles of wisdom.

If he's not that either, then he's probably an insecure hmong man in the end.  Again by who's definition?



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