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A_New_Beginning

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Re: Map of the "Qhuab Ke" at Hmong funeral services.
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2012, 08:29:07 PM »
If Hmong are truly one of the tribe of Israel who are rescued by Moses, then it totally explain why we cannot accept Jesus... he came too late...



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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2012, 05:32:33 PM »
 :D  ...   :idiot2:  ...  the "Qhuab Ke" definitely does not lead back to Israel or where ever your map is alluding to.

But yeah, if you want to make that ludicrous assumption so be it.

Your "Qhuab Ke" must be the new American version as I have heard some people complaining that some Txiv Taw Kev and Txiv Coj Xai are adding new verbiage to the original incantations.  Examp:  Some Txiv Xaiv in CA and NC now say, " ... kom nej tau doctor thiab lawyer ..." ...  :2funny:



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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2012, 10:18:04 AM »
Wonderful to have read some point of views and folks evolving in the USA here.  I, myself, have been searching as well...

I'm not going to hit every points and insert arguments but...what I know from listening and practicing Hmong.  I can share my opinion.

I think the map is close if one were to interpret the qhua ke and make some assumptions with what we know to date.  It does paint alot more questions than answers thought.

What I do know the Hmong belief I was taught (before I turned into a transgender):

  • Hmong believe a human body has three spirituals (peb tug ntsuj): Ntsuj siav, Ntsuj Plig, Ntsuj Dab.  Ntsuj siav is what you and I able to breath. Ntsuj plig is our mind/heart acting as our shadows, and ntsuj dab is what every living things have with them, a spiritual that travels with the body. WHEN you DIE, ntsuj siav die with you - disappear instantly.  Ntsuj plig is what we think what makes us sick (not physical but mental & unexplained illness) when this spiritual is too far away from the body (so call the Shaman to fix this one). AND Ntsuj dab stays with the body even when it is dead - until is rotted, decomposed back into pure dirt (the reason why no plastic or metal in Hmong coffin. Also, very reason why we do TSO PLIG. Ib ntsug 13 hnub -- hnub 1 rau hnub 12 tus plig tseem ua xywm xyav, hnub 13 tus plig yuav tsum mus ua dab lawm).  Only then our last ntsuj dab can reborn into a new person/baby in the world.  SO THE QHUA KE is really for the Ntsuj PLIG only.  Takes that plig to be with the rest of the PLIG already in heaven or hell for that matter with our grandma and grandpa.  The Ntsuj Dab will join the ntsuj plig once it is submerged into the ground/dissipated.  Then GOD give the ntsuj siav to the new born when the three are back together. CONFUSE ENOUGH YET?
  • The thing about "Roob Kab Ntsig, Ntuj Kab Ntsov" - that's the hairy vagina. If you really looking for the honest, deep down, no bulls true meaning
  • The "Ntuj Txig Teb Tsaus" - that's when at night the sperm is about to ejaculate, comes the spirit into the woman's body - how you instant life first comes about.  This is the truth people...don't over think your head.


Hope this sheds some light.




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A_New_Beginning

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Re: Map of the "Qhuab Ke" at Hmong funeral services.
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2012, 08:09:28 PM »
Wonderful to have read some point of views and folks evolving in the USA here.  I, myself, have been searching as well...

I'm not going to hit every points and insert arguments but...what I know from listening and practicing Hmong.  I can share my opinion.

I think the map is close if one were to interpret the qhua ke and make some assumptions with what we know to date.  It does paint alot more questions than answers thought.

What I do know the Hmong belief I was taught (before I turned into a transgender):

  • Hmong believe a human body has three spirituals (peb tug ntsuj): Ntsuj siav, Ntsuj Plig, Ntsuj Dab.  Ntsuj siav is what you and I able to breath. Ntsuj plig is our mind/heart acting as our shadows, and ntsuj dab is what every living things have with them, a spiritual that travels with the body. WHEN you DIE, ntsuj siav die with you - disappear instantly.  Ntsuj plig is what we think what makes us sick (not physical but mental & unexplained illness) when this spiritual is too far away from the body (so call the Shaman to fix this one). AND Ntsuj dab stays with the body even when it is dead - until is rotted, decomposed back into pure dirt (the reason why no plastic or metal in Hmong coffin. Also, very reason why we do TSO PLIG. Ib ntsug 13 hnub -- hnub 1 rau hnub 12 tus plig tseem ua xywm xyav, hnub 13 tus plig yuav tsum mus ua dab lawm).  Only then our last ntsuj dab can reborn into a new person/baby in the world.  SO THE QHUA KE is really for the Ntsuj PLIG only.  Takes that plig to be with the rest of the PLIG already in heaven or hell for that matter with our grandma and grandpa.  The Ntsuj Dab will join the ntsuj plig once it is submerged into the ground/dissipated.  Then GOD give the ntsuj siav to the new born when the three are back together. CONFUSE ENOUGH YET?
  • The thing about "Roob Kab Ntsig, Ntuj Kab Ntsov" - that's the hairy vagina. If you really looking for the honest, deep down, no bulls true meaning
  • The "Ntuj Txig Teb Tsaus" - that's when at night the sperm is about to ejaculate, comes the spirit into the woman's body - how you instant life first comes about.  This is the truth people...don't over think your head.


Hope this sheds some light.



Wow...you last two point really stands out...I have never thought of that...



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Umbrella

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Re: Map of the "Qhuab Ke" at Hmong funeral services.
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2012, 03:40:45 PM »
According to your map, the Hmong were never in NE China. So who was Txivyawg, or Chiyou, to us then? Some mystic being we adopted into our beliefs? Most historians trace the Sanmiao being exported to NW China, Gansu / Xinjiang, and your arrows definitely hit there. Maybe there is where our ancestors came into the stories of Txivyawg.

Kind of like the khi tes ceremony. Most people don't even realize that is not part of the Hmong culture, we simply adopted that from the Lao, as recently as the 1960s



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Umbrella

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« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2012, 10:24:05 PM »
Yep, kind of like the betray your own kind thing. Most people don't even realize it's not part of the Hmong culture, we simply adopted that from the Chinese, as recently as the 1800s.

Must have hit a nerve.



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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2012, 04:17:29 AM »
The "qhuab ke" is similar to other religious doctrines in that it touches upon the tangible world, as well as that of the abstract. Like any other religious doctrines, it should not be taken literally. Once one choose to take it literally then they are already lost.



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TruthAboveKnowledge

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Re: Map of the "Qhuab Ke" at Hmong funeral services.
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2012, 05:46:12 AM »
NceejVaj, I have information regarding "SEX MAGIC" that may help in your understanding more.  A lot of people do not get the concept that the spiritual realm is closely associated with the physical realm.  These are secrets kept by the monks and they are also the same secrets kept by Jewish traditions.  If anything is related, it is the Chakras and the TREE OF LIFE known as Kabbalah.  At a known frequency, people can meditate and travel through the spiritual plane.  But beware, evil demons are everywhere!



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TruthAboveKnowledge

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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2012, 05:50:07 AM »
And needless to say, NASA has just began to realize what that means through the use of modern supercomputers and the understanding of black holes in these different planes.



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f.u.too

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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2012, 05:02:49 PM »
For example; if someone in California would die, the "Qhuab Ke" will send his soul from California accross the Pacific Ocean to Thailand, to Laos, to China, to Siberia, to the mountain of Afghanistan, to the desert of Iraq/Iran, acrross the Dead Sea, to Egypt.

Evolution also mention men coming out of Africa too. So if this charts is true then human being evoled from ape. The charts does need to go down a little further into central Africa.



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Re: Map of the "Qhuab Ke" at Hmong funeral services.
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2012, 01:00:01 PM »
Wonderful to have read some point of views and folks evolving in the USA here.  I, myself, have been searching as well...

I'm not going to hit every points and insert arguments but...what I know from listening and practicing Hmong.  I can share my opinion.

I think the map is close if one were to interpret the qhua ke and make some assumptions with what we know to date.  It does paint alot more questions than answers thought.

What I do know the Hmong belief I was taught (before I turned into a transgender):

  • Hmong believe a human body has three spirituals (peb tug ntsuj): Ntsuj siav, Ntsuj Plig, Ntsuj Dab.  Ntsuj siav is what you and I able to breath. Ntsuj plig is our mind/heart acting as our shadows, and ntsuj dab is what every living things have with them, a spiritual that travels with the body. WHEN you DIE, ntsuj siav die with you - disappear instantly.  Ntsuj plig is what we think what makes us sick (not physical but mental & unexplained illness) when this spiritual is too far away from the body (so call the Shaman to fix this one). AND Ntsuj dab stays with the body even when it is dead - until is rotted, decomposed back into pure dirt (the reason why no plastic or metal in Hmong coffin. Also, very reason why we do TSO PLIG. Ib ntsug 13 hnub -- hnub 1 rau hnub 12 tus plig tseem ua xywm xyav, hnub 13 tus plig yuav tsum mus ua dab lawm).  Only then our last ntsuj dab can reborn into a new person/baby in the world.  SO THE QHUA KE is really for the Ntsuj PLIG only.  Takes that plig to be with the rest of the PLIG already in heaven or hell for that matter with our grandma and grandpa.  The Ntsuj Dab will join the ntsuj plig once it is submerged into the ground/dissipated.  Then GOD give the ntsuj siav to the new born when the three are back together. CONFUSE ENOUGH YET?
  • The thing about "Roob Kab Ntsig, Ntuj Kab Ntsov" - that's the hairy vagina. If you really looking for the honest, deep down, no bulls true meaning
  • The "Ntuj Txig Teb Tsaus" - that's when at night the sperm is about to ejaculate, comes the spirit into the woman's body - how you instant life first comes about.  This is the truth people...don't over think your head.


Hope this sheds some light.



I just want to add my insight on "Ib ntsug 13 hnub" --- tswm sim nyob rau thaum noob neej neeg zaum ob. Lub caij no yog thaum ib tub neeg twg tau tas siav nro ces lawv muab nws lub cev coj mus pw kom puv 13 hnub (Zoo li Yesxus uas tuag tau 3 hnub ces sawv rov los). Nyob rau hnub 13 ces lub cev mamli plis tag (zooli tub nab thaub nws plis cev) ces neeg ntawd ciali sawv rov los lawm xwb. Nyob rau noob neej neeg zaum peb uas yog peb tiam tab sim no. Lawm thiab li muab cov cai hauv tag lawm, dabtsi haiv neeg Hmoob thiaj li tseem ceev tau coj siv txog niaj hnub niam no.


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Re: Map of the "Qhuab Ke" at Hmong funeral services.
« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2012, 01:56:14 PM »



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Moospej

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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2012, 09:50:44 AM »
That's not part of the map or route. It's more like when and how the "Qhuab Ke" came to exist.


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todspengo

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« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2012, 12:48:46 AM »
That's not part of the map or route. It's more like when and how the "Qhuab Ke" came to exist.

Are you talking about the map or the translation of the Qhuab Ke?  This version of the Qhuab Ke is considered one of the purist in form because it was not influenced by Christianity (subject to debate on purist form; wished them ancestors would have just written it down like everyone else), and it does not mention any landscape in the middle east.

According to the religion of god (Judaism, Islam, and Christianity), the world is 6000 years old.  o3a3b-M7, the Hmong ydna genetic marker is approximately 20,000 years old, and Jewish have a mix of ydna of g1 range and g2 range (undated).

Though I am not and do not claim to be a DNA specialist, o3 and g1, g2 are two completely different genes therefor making us not related to them in any way shape or form within the last 20,000 years.  If Hmong are the lost tribe, Hmong would have ydna marker g1 and g2 also.



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Moospej

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Re: Map of the "Qhuab Ke" at Hmong funeral services.
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2012, 09:36:29 AM »
Are you talking about the map or the translation of the Qhuab Ke?  This version of the Qhuab Ke is considered one of the purist in form because it was not influenced by Christianity (subject to debate on purist form; wished them ancestors would have just written it down like everyone else), and it does not mention any landscape in the middle east.

According to the religion of god (Judaism, Islam, and Christianity), the world is 6000 years old.  o3a3b-M7, the Hmong ydna genetic marker is approximately 20,000 years old, and Jewish have a mix of ydna of g1 range and g2 range (undated).

Though I am not and do not claim to be a DNA specialist, o3 and g1, g2 are two completely different genes therefor making us not related to them in any way shape or form within the last 20,000 years.  If Hmong are the lost tribe, Hmong would have ydna marker g1 and g2 also.

Neither the map or the translation of the Qhuab Ke.  What I was talking about was way before the Qhuab Ke even exist. I'm wondering if Ruey Yih-Fu or any of his follower have the other half of his version of the "Qhuab Ke".



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