I read your similar retort in the other thread "Hmong country a possibility?" in the "debate forum" a few weeks ago. I just didn't have time to reply because of work, travel, and business. And frankly I thought it was also weak so didn't bother with it. But it seems you think you have found a really good comeback and thus have posted it a second time.
I re-posted a paragraph of it, because it had your name on it and was directed towards you and you did not respond, not because I found a good comeback...
1) There's no Hmong taboo saying we can't do many/any of those;
2) Some of those qualities are already in our culture, like gambling;
3) More importantly, they do not compromise our Hmong integrity;
1) No one ever said we couldn't do these things, it was stated to let you know that it's not because of Christianity that we do these things, it's called, "America". Just like when Hmong people give their kids American names, it’s not because of Christians that they do that.
2) Gambling has never been in our traditions, it only started in the 19th century. Hmong people did not have deck of cards in the Jungle. And I would not label gambling as part of our culture, if you look at any old drawings of Hmong people, you do not see them sitting around playing cards for money or at a casino pulling slots.
3) You say it does not comprise Hmong integrity, but you are wrong. The "extra tool" you are talking about has become more used and at some point may become the only tool used here in the U.S. for Hmong people. Since we are losing our Hmong language at an accelerated pace. As you can see in the Hmong community right now, there are tons of kids who do not speak Hmong anymore and now only speak English (St. Paul, MN to be exact) Thus our Hmong language (cultural marker) is not intact. Thus our integrity is not there.
See the difference? One adds on and/yet still keeps. The other erases and replaces. So yes, Christianity is a big killer of Hmong culture.
Wrong, Assimilation is the biggest killer of Hmong culture. The American Culture is not adding on with keeping our culture alive. At our New Years, the people who wear traditional Hmong clothing are disappearing and more so with the guys. Be it Shaman or Christian, no one hardly wears Hmong clothing anymore and the games they use to play, it's getting smaller and smaller, the Pov Pob area, is shrinking every year. I don't know where you are from, but here in St. Paul, that is what's happening every year. So, yes the decrease in Pov Pob, is a symbol of Hmong culture being replace with something else. So Yes, it is being erased slowly.
These zombie bots are the biggest threat (unbeknownst to them) to our cultural survival for reasons I mentioned earlier already. They are so clueless so they think we are dissing them without justifications .
The reason we keep coming back is because we do not want to be bystanders just watching our people self-destruct and not do anything about it. I don’t know about you, but I am not clueless and this is
my justification:
I’m tired of seeing our generation of people robbing, killing, stealing and cheating, etc. You see, this is how selfish Shaman believers are; they really don’t give a crap until it happens to them or their loved ones. Then they start blaming it on this and that. Being a Christian, I am trying to work with our lost generation and point them the right direction. When Midget’s little brother got stabbed at Moonshine last month, the Hmong 18 clan were trying to do a rally about it(they should have started this a long time ago, unlike Hmong 18 clan, Christians like me, have been working with the misguided, since I've been saved) This stuff has been going on since there was Small Piece, White Tiger, Plaza Boys, Peace MOD, etc… and if you knew who these are, then you’d know the time frame. Unlike, Shaman Believers, I’m not going to wait and be a bystander. Since you think we are “zombie bots”, you must be a ‘zombie bot” by not doing anything, you just keep watching and keep watching. And you think, we are the wrong ones for trying to help them change their ways,
when you just watch.
What is your clueless justification for watchin?
You yourself personally might not try to convert ppl as you're probably one of those half-hearted Christians who's neither here nor there, but the true and hardcore ones will do this.
Once again, you judge me and criticize me without knowing me, this has been a common theme for you, I guess that is why you have the stereotyping racist mentality…
I, myself, when I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and came out of jail… ever since then, I have been talking to gangsters and thugs from all over, MN, CA, WI, MI, AR, OK, GA, NC(If you need names and affiliation, I can provide that as well) (and not just Hmongs but Americans as well) about changing their ways and helping them understand there is a better way of life out there(there are not any Shaman believers who do this, that I have ever ran across during my time in doing this) Since I am considered an O.G. and have done my share of dirt and have the same background as they do, they actually listen and some have even given their lives up to Jesus, and mind you, not by force, but by showing them Forgiveness and Love. Christianity is not by force, but by choice. I did not come to Christ because of force, or the fear of hell, nor brain washing, as you would call it, I came because God Forgave me for all the wrong things I have done in my life. So, calling me a half-hearted Christian, neither here nor there, is a pretty ignorant statement, I guess you do live up to your name of
“YeejKoob13 the Ignorant”… need I explain ignorant again?
Let me ask you, how much changes have you done in the streets or neighborhoods for our generations of Hmongs who are going the wrong way in life? (or are you a half-hearted Shaman believer? Wait, Shaman believers don’t give a crap about which way our Hmong people go, as long as they can go and get their sickness taken care of from the Shamans, that’s all that matters to you, but please do elaborate with your answer…)
1a) Shamans can only heal illnesses/ailments. They can't heal idiocy. When you were in jail, of which you got yourself into that, you should have been asking for a lawyer, not a shaman. Know which proper route to take.
Wrong, it is because of my idiocy in the Shamanistic belief that landed me in jail, in which I was born into. The Shamans teach nothing of moralities of right and wrongs, you do what the heck you want to do and when you get sick, the Shaman will try and heal you. And when you die, just send some cows and money sacrifices their way. That's all they teach about morality, nothing.
b) There are many Mexicans, blacks and even whites who are Christians and somehow jehova/Christianity can't help them one bit before they went to jail or during when they are in jail as well. So how come you're not blaming god's lack of empathy here, but instead attack Hmong culture/shamans only? There are many, many instances where Christianity fails.
If they were truly believers in Christ, they would not do anything to land themselves in jail. So, why would I blame lack of empathy on God? When it is them who do not walk as if Christ has walked. Christianity has never failed me only Shamans and their belief.
3) The number 13 is not monopolized by Mexicans or whoever only. They don't own it. The 13 in my username refers to a birthdate, like yesterday, and not associated with "Surenos" or whatever...
13 is monopolized by Surenos, everyone knows not to use that number in their name or set, unless they are part of Surenos, "La eMe" or "MS". Where I come from, when you put a number on your name, it symbolizes who you click with or what hood you are from.
4) But the Jesus who came to yours and others doorsteps is a white guy (like the French and English missionaries back in the late 1800's and 1900's), hence I used white.
Another example of judging me without knowledge of who I am. When I was locked up, without hope, facing 30 years, I picked up the bible and read it and confessed for forgiveness and gave my life to Jesus. When I received the gift of tongue, it was in an African-American church. So, I did not see any white folks at my doorstep. I was one of the first of my family and relatives to give my life to Christ. So, No, I do not see your point of Christianity being white. But, just your racist comment of Christianity and whites.
5) The "Ching Chong" comment is so random and far off. I don't know how you even bridged that with me saying you got Viking'd.
It is not hard to comprehend this, go back and re-read it. You were doggin on my name, just like racist people do, so what do racist people say next after they dogg on your name and who you are, make fun of your language, since you have the same racist mentality of making fun of peoples name, you can go ahead and say, "Ching Chong"... understand?
Doooo IIIII Haaaavvvveeee tooooo sppeeaaakkk sssssllllloooo
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6) You want the Lao, Viets, Thais, Whites, others to respect you? Then respect yourself first! If you don't even respect and have faith in your own culture/beliefs then who's going to value you?
I never talked about needing respect from Lao, Viet, etc... You just can't comprehend very good. I said,
Being Hmong, we get Racism from Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, Laotians, Vietnamese, Chinese, etc...
everyone...
but yet you are on the same level as the Racist Ignorant people, etc... Being a Christian, I do not need any respect from anyone but God and I have respect and faith in myself and my culture and beliefs, thank you.
7) Yeejkoob by virtue cannot be Viking'd.
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah… After I proved to you that Jesus wasn’t white, you went and changed your answer.
I hope one day you will see the light... if they can prove Jehova to exist then sure, believe in it, even I would too, but the truth is they can't.
You are the one who does not see the Light and still live in the Dark, which is why you do not understand the Holy Spirit. I do hope you will see it one day. I've already proven Yahweh exists, time and time again, yet you do not comprehend or are unable to understand the English language.
Have you even seen what happens when Shamans Ua Neeg on a Christian family? They always, time and time again, say, "We can't help them, someone who is higher than us is protecting them."... it doesn't take a genius to figure out who that person is..
Have you seen a demon possessed Shaman? In the name of Jesus, they become enraged and terrified. Think about it, if Jesus does not exist then why in his name will the demon flee and be scared of his name?
When I received the gift of tongue, even my Mom was like, "Wow, Jesus gives a gift of tongue?" Explain to me where the gift of tongue came from, if the holy spirit does not exist?These are all proofs of what you keep asking for, but yet cannot comprehend it, that is why you keep asking the same question for proof of Yahweh, over and over.
Are you ever going to answer these questions or just keep avoiding them?
1) What has Shamans done to preserve the Hmong culture?
(you bash Christians all day long, but yet have recognize that Shamans have done nothing to preserve the Hmong culture in anyway. For example, Kwv txhiaj, what have they done to keep Hmong people from learning this?
Nothing, nor do they keep Hmong people from wearing traditional Hmong clothing at New Years or even keeping Hmong people from participating in Pov Pob. Shamans even name their kids, "American Names", which you call having a Hmong name is a (cultural marker), what happens when they have "American Names"? They lose the culture marker, right? Well, obviously they are not doing anything to preserve this culture marker. This is what the Shaman beliefs consist of, get sick, go see a Shaman, people die, go see the Shaman, have a baby, go see the Shaman, buy a house, go see the Shaman, have a New Year, go see a Shaman… that’s it… consists of no other beliefs or preservation of Hmong culture)(And still you cannot see that Hmong people are becoming American because of America and not because of Christianity)
2) My cousins are Meth addicts, why can't the Shamans cure them?
3) Tell me, what has Shamanisms done to help any of the corrupt Hmong people(gangsters, addicts, etc) change? (seems to me, Christians are the only ones that are involved with helping our Hmong people, either through missionary work or outreach programs)
4) How come (gangster, thugs and dealers) would not change our ways when they were Shaman believers, but when we gave our lives to the Lord, we changed?
5) If Christianity is such a bad thing, then how come it is the largest belief out there?
6) If Shamanism is such a great thing, then why is it dying by the years? Once this generation passes, I suspect so will Shamanism.
And, which person would you rather have in your society?
1) Me, the Shaman believer, who, when your friend introduce me to you, would later come back and jack your car, rims, or rob your house, cause now I know where you live and know what you have.
2) Or Me, the Christian, who when your friend introduce me to you, would introduce you to Christ and cause you no harm and you stuff will not get stolen.
I am going to introduce you to Jesus Christ and what he did for us.
Here is my cousin’s brother-law, he was a Meth user, robbed Walgreens, went to jail, got saved and is now a Pastor.
