Hmong Green vs. Hmong White

[dlabtsi_os]

I've heard many of the elders say that, "All Hmong people were Green at one time"? Anyone got any other input on this?

Kuv yog Moob Leeg. Hmong Green or Leng, same difference. Anyway we were consider as Hmong Leng not because of veins, but we admitted to rebel against the Ming and Qing Dynasty. That is where Leng cames from. Leeg in Mong means to admit.

Hmong White or Dlawb on the other hand are the innocent one. The reason they are consider innocent, is because in order to escape from the persecution of the Hans or Manchu they change their clothes and accent. The one who started was a Hmong Women. If I recall in Hmong Dlawb Funeral the Hmong Women as sister or aunts are highly regarded. However, I never attended a Hmong Dlawb funeral before.

But anyway take what I said with a grain of salt.

[dlabtsi_os]

That's a typical attribute that many White Hmongs tend to have. Ignorance.

Btw, what is the reason or the way how you were taught that turned Hmong Leng into Hmong Green?
Don't tell me it's because of what we wear. lol

Personally I think the background of Hmong Green correlated with cannibalism is garbage. I personally think....
 
A)It was to stir so Hmong Dlawb or Mong Leeg can't marry together.
B)Someone(prefer if an outsider) bribe with hefty sum to the Hmong person to spread the lie.

I'd prefer option B. Hypothetically speaking, if Hmong were one of the first to irrigate, why suddenly changed to cannibalism in the last 200-400 years or so?

[dlabtsi_os]

Could you write in english. I know how to read hmong, but I prefer it english.

-Rough English translation-

There are no Mong Green. Only Blue Mong if elders have dress that has pieces mixed with color of indigo and green. But cloth such as sash, that are around the waist, has color of Green. That maybe why some elder says Mong Green.

Hmong White has White dress. The dress don't have piece color mixed such as indigo. That maybe why Hmong elders called them Hmong White.

Because there weren't any written documentary there are no proof to the truth of Hmong White and Mong Green. That is why Hmong White says this and Mong Green says that.

Way before Vang Pao's time, Mong Green lives with Mong Green village. Hmong White lives Hmong White village. They both avoid contact of one another. Nowadays, after the Indochina War, they both are more lenient about Hmong White marrying to Mong Green.

-There you go. If there is something that is incorrect pleased fixed my translation-

[night912]

Is there any textbook that has recorded about this, or are you just saying it?

Because there weren't any written documentary there are no proof to the truth of Hmong White and Mong Green. That is why Hmong White says this and Mong Green says that.
 

[dlabtsi_os]

As stated in the translation: There were no documentary or written records of how became of Hmong Leng/Green and Hmong White. All I can say is go to Hmong New Year and look at Hmong  dress to determine whether they are Hmong White or Green.

This site can help to determine the clothes, but that's only it.

http://www.oocities.org/hollywood/boulevard/5987/Hmongcostumes.html

[Love2Kiss]

Have they ever fought each other in a war during the ancient times of China or before China?

I don't think so...

[VillainousHero]

The difference really only surfaced during the persecution from refusing to be conquered in china.

It's those who refused to be conquered vs those who submitted to being ruled over.

[Visualmon]

I highly suggest you should ask your parents about this subject matter. They know the history more than kids ever know.

[Visualmon]

As stated in the translation: There were no documentary or written records of how became of Hmong Leng/Green and Hmong White. All I can say is go to Hmong New Year and look at Hmong  dress to determine whether they are Hmong White or Green.

This site can help to determine the clothes, but that's only it.

http://www.oocities.org/hollywood/boulevard/5987/Hmongcostumes.html

Thanks for the link bro.
Now I know the reason why my mother (Hmong Lees) forbid me to dress up in Hmong Dawb clothes during HNY. lol

[chidorix0x]

Thanks for the link bro.
Now I know the reason why my mother (Hmong Lees) forbid me to dress up in Hmong Dawb clothes during HNY. lol

The traditional gowns (clothes) per Hmong/Mong group/subgroup is arguably incorrect within the/that website, as those are purely Western interpretation s/misinterpretations; hardly close to the original (and I am, to keep it simple, simply referring to all of the SEAsia variants; not including China's or other countries', like Vietnam, Burma, and Thailand, where Hmong/Mong also live)  ...  kekeke  ...    (NO Hmong/Mong in Cambodia -- historically/to date)

(Examp: (where it is all WRONG; inconsistent/inaccurate) All the ladies per group/subgroup do not wear the same turban (headdress). They all are uniquely different.  And the guys do not wear the same shirt style and accessories either. They too are uniquely different per group/subgroup. The website needs to be updated, with more accurate info/pictures, in depicting each groups'/subgroups' traditional/customary attires.)

They (the pictures of each Hmong/Mong group/subgroup) should look more like this:

AND (guys)
     White Hmong

OR AND (guys)
     Green(Blue) Mong

AND
     Black Mong (Vietnam and Black Mong (China)


     Hmong-Chinese (Yunnan="Paj Tas Lawg" Province)

OR OR ETC. ETC.
     Other Hmong-Chinese Groups/Subgroups

[Visualmon]

The traditional gowns (clothes) per Hmong/Mong group/subgroup is arguably incorrect within the/that website, as those are purely Western interpretation s/misinterpretations; hardly close to the original (and I am, to keep it simple, simply referring to all of the SEAsia variants; not including China's or other countries', like Vietnam, Burma, and Thailand, where Hmong/Mong also live)  ...  kekeke  ...    (NO Hmong/Mong in Cambodia -- historically/to date)

(Examp: (where it is all WRONG; inconsistent/inaccurate) All the ladies per group/subgroup do not wear the same turban (headdress). They all are uniquely different.  And the guys do not wear the same shirt style and accessories either. They too are uniquely different per group/subgroup. The website needs to be updated, with more accurate info/pictures, in depicting each groups'/subgroups' traditional/customary attires.)


Bro, tsis ua li cas. lol Tsis txhob txhawj kuv twb paub tas lawm tias qhov website koj hais ntawm yeej muaj tseeb. Tiamsismas kuv xav paub txog Hmoob Ntsuab thiab Hmoob Lees cov khaw ncaws hnav puas yog ib yam losyog puas yog lawv muaj nyias?