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Re: Hmong History of the Chu Dynasty
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2018, 08:15:50 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4piTzf7y70&t=90s

So what evidence are there to prove or even hint that the Chu State were Hmong people? 



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Re: Hmong History of the Chu Dynasty
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2018, 03:07:26 PM »
So what evidence are there to prove or even hint that the Chu State were Hmong people?

They found a Hmong corpse in the Chu Dynasty and majority are around it. Even the princess and the prince wore Hmong clothes.



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Re: Hmong History of the Chu Dynasty
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2018, 08:10:37 PM »
They found a Hmong corpse in the Chu Dynasty and majority are around it. Even the princess and the prince wore Hmong clothes.

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Re: Hmong History of the Chu Dynasty
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2018, 11:27:33 PM »
I like to look deeper into this Ch'u Dynasty for evidence of it being once Hmong's, if you can recommend any resource or where I can find info on the excavation you referred to would be greatly appreciated.



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Re: Hmong History of the Chu Dynasty
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2018, 11:06:45 PM »
I like to look deeper into this Ch'u Dynasty for evidence of it being once Hmong's, if you can recommend any resource or where I can find info on the excavation you referred to would be greatly appreciated.

Chu crossbow
Source: http://www.youngmuseum.com/DSCN4947-a.jpg


Han crossbow
Source: http://www.youngmuseum.com/7.jpg

Don't know where these were excavated, you might have to contact the museum. Notice how the Chu crossbow has Hmoob paj ntaub symbols? That end piece is the shoulder rest.



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Re: Hmong History of the Chu Dynasty
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2018, 11:19:09 PM »
So what evidence are there to prove or even hint that the Chu State were Hmong people?

Drums with Hmoob paj ntaub all over. Chu state.
Source: http://www.hartford-hwp.com/image_archive/uac/index.html

Things to note:
1. Warring Sates era (475BC - 221BC) used to be known as Warring Kingdoms era, the Chinese changed it to maintain national unity by making it sound like a civil war.
2. Qin is known for the Terracotta warriors, it existed during the same time the Chu Kingdom existed. Yet, the tombs from Qin don't have these paj ntaub patterns.
3. These types of patterns are only found where the ancestors of the Chu were found.
4. It was actually the Chu Kingdom that destroyed the Qin Dynasty, and then it reinstated the former kingdoms before the Qin conquest. This is a sign that it was not power hungry and that it wanted to liberate the kingdoms. Soon after the Han Kingdom took advantage of the situation and turned all kingdoms against Chu, this started the "Chu-Han Contention". Although the Chu were winning the war militarily, the Han tricked them into a peace treaty so that they could surround the Chu leader. Eventually the Chu leader was killed, and without his leadership the Han defeated the Chu and conquered all the surrounding kingdoms by force. They then established the Han Dynasty, known as the golden age for China.



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Re: Hmong History of the Chu Dynasty
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2018, 04:19:23 PM »

Chu crossbow
Source: http://www.youngmuseum.com/DSCN4947-a.jpg


Han crossbow
Source: http://www.youngmuseum.com/7.jpg

Don't know where these were excavated, you might have to contact the museum. Notice how the Chu crossbow has Hmoob paj ntaub symbols? That end piece is the shoulder rest.

This proves it! We Hmongs are the natives of China. We were slaves to the Han and we will one day will have a country of our own.



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Re: Hmong History of the Chu Dynasty
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2018, 05:29:24 PM »

Chu crossbow
Source: http://www.youngmuseum.com/DSCN4947-a.jpg


Han crossbow
Source: http://www.youngmuseum.com/7.jpg

Don't know where these were excavated, you might have to contact the museum. Notice how the Chu crossbow has Hmoob paj ntaub symbols? That end piece is the shoulder rest.

Thanks for sharing. The symbol looks very similar to Hmong Pajntaub pattern, but not sure if that's enough to conclude that Ch'u is Hmong. Though its a possibility, it may just be mere similar unless there are other evidence that points otherwise.



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Re: Hmong History of the Chu Dynasty
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2021, 06:25:37 PM »
Thanks for sharing. The symbol looks very similar to Hmong Pajntaub pattern, but not sure if that's enough to conclude that Ch'u is Hmong. Though its a possibility, it may just be mere similar unless there are other evidence that points otherwise.

According to the Han Chinese, they claim that it's Hmong.



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