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Re: Andrew Yang for President
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2019, 06:28:50 AM »
Keep in mind. Not everyone is going to get UBI & it's not a cure for all.

1. You need to be at least 18yrs old.
2. You need to be a US citizen.



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Re: Andrew Yang for President
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2019, 09:08:09 AM »
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"UBI" would be another quick fix or just another band-aid.



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Re: Andrew Yang for President
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2019, 10:01:39 AM »
www.in2013dollars.com/1984-dollars-in-2018?amount=100

"UBI" would be another quick fix or just another band-aid.
Hey, a band-aid is a useful tool.  Covers the wound and stops the bleeding.  Take the band-aid.  Please take the band-aid!  It's better than letting the leaky blood get all over the place.



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Re: Andrew Yang for President
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2019, 10:11:31 AM »
Hey, a band-aid is a useful tool.  Covers the wound and stops the bleeding.  Take the band-aid.  Please take the band-aid!  It's better than letting the leaky blood get all over the place.

WE can fix the underlying issue. But those in power understand how division keeps THEM in power with all the benefits so they play their political games.

Either way I'm neither for nor against his proposal but I do want everyone to understand there are long term solutions that are better alternatives.



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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2019, 10:13:02 AM »
<I>WE</i> can fix the underlying issue. But those in power understand how division keeps <I>THEM</I> in power with all the benefits so they play their political games.

Either way I'm neither for nor against his proposal but I do want everyone to understand there are long term solutions that are better alternatives.
Until someone comes up with a real fix, take the band-aid.  Don't let it bleed, waiting for a real fix that may never come.  Don't listen to those who lie to you that band-aids won't help.  It does.



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Re: Andrew Yang for President
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2019, 10:48:48 AM »
Until someone comes up with a real fix, take the band-aid.  Don't let it bleed, waiting for a real fix that may never come.  Don't listen to those who lie to you that band-aids won't help.  It does.

I'll play the Devil's Advocate here and ask how do we police it so it'll won't become another welfare program and have the same failings?



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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2019, 10:58:45 AM »
I'll play the Devil's Advocate here and ask how do we police it so it'll won't become another welfare program and have the same failings?
The idea with "Universal" is everyone gets it.



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Re: Andrew Yang for President
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2019, 11:12:32 AM »
The idea with "Universal" is everyone gets it.

I understand that. What would prevent someone from trying to live off that income alone? Some families live off less than that at the moment.

Do we then eliminate the welfare program/s entirely?
Do we just consider this as "additional" income and not sole income?
If I have 5 adult children and 1 pair of parents under one household, would their combined income be $7000.00 a month?

My concern is the difference between UBI ($1000.00/month) vs ($250.00-$750.00/month) for welfare. Numbers aren't exact but the point is we're talking about a significantly larger sum being dispersed to individuals.



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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2019, 01:40:37 PM »
I understand that. What would prevent someone from trying to live off that income alone? Some families live off less than that at the moment.

Do we then eliminate the welfare program/s entirely?
Do we just consider this as "additional" income and not sole income?
If I have 5 adult children and 1 pair of parents under one household, would their combined income be $7000.00 a month?

My concern is the difference between UBI ($1000.00/month) vs ($250.00-$750.00/month) for welfare. Numbers aren't exact but the point is we're talking about a significantly larger sum being dispersed to individuals.
If they want to live off that alone, I'd say that was their choice, but it'll help them from living on the streets with nothing to their name. Details can be worked out.  Check out the Alaska Permanent fund and see how Alaska is doing it. I don't think any of them are complaining about getting money each year.



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Re: Andrew Yang for President
« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2019, 09:09:11 AM »
The more I listen to this guy, the more I am interested.  He brings fresh ideas to the table and he's a realist.  He's right we're losing alot of jobs to automation.  In my city alone, many stores and even Malls are closing.  The ones that are still operating barely get by - not what they used to be.  Even jobs, etc.  I live in a manufacturing state and we're losing manufacturing jobs and not gaining much.




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Re: Andrew Yang for President
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2019, 09:32:15 AM »
To help put you at ease:

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A 2018 study in Alaska, where residents have gotten a share of the state’s oil revenue every year since 1982, found the money has not shrunk the state’s labor force. The same was found in a 2010 UCLA study in North Carolina, where the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians has shared casino revenue with its members since the mid-1990s.
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Re: Andrew Yang for President
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2019, 02:12:33 PM »
Hey, a band-aid is a useful tool.  Covers the wound and stops the bleeding.  Take the band-aid.  Please take the band-aid!  It's better than letting the leaky blood get all over the place.

I'm pretty sure bandaids are not meant to stop leaky blood. To stop bleeding you're suppose to apply pressure on the wound and then soak up blood with gauze. The bandaid is used to cover up the wound and there may be some leftover blood leakage. But to stop leaky blood you don't simply just use a bandaid.



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Re: Andrew Yang for President
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2019, 02:22:27 PM »
To help put you at ease:
 - USATODAY

You do realize what is funding Alaska's dividend, right? Yang is trying to fund UBI with automation. I see too many problems with it. First and foremost, whomever controls automation will control the government and essentially the people. If you think you hate big corporation, just wait until your UBI depends on them. Some people will stop working altogether if they think UBI is enough. That means that check you are waiting for at the end of the month is controlled by Ford, or GM, or Boeing, etc. Secondly, what happens when these industries decide to go their separate way or new technological advances change automation? In other words, automation goes bust.

You people only think on the surface level. You are shallow and do not have the wisdom to see deadly unintended consequences. That's what laziness coupled with greed does.

It's like universal healthcare. Do you really want the government deciding your healthcare? Once they control it, what is stopping them from issuing mandatory vaccination (and I don't mean the typical Rubella and Measles). I mean rolling out tests from big pharma companies. Low income areas will for sure be used as guinea pigs. 

You don't think big pharma will donate to a political candidate in the hopes that the government will issue mandates where people are used as guinea pigs?



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Re: Andrew Yang for President
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2019, 09:23:54 AM »
You do realize what is funding Alaska's dividend, right? Yang is trying to fund UBI with automation. I see too many problems with it. First and foremost, whomever controls automation will control the government and essentially the people. If you think you hate big corporation, just wait until your UBI depends on them. Some people will stop working altogether if they think UBI is enough. That means that check you are waiting for at the end of the month is controlled by Ford, or GM, or Boeing, etc. Secondly, what happens when these industries decide to go their separate way or new technological advances change automation? In other words, automation goes bust.

You people only think on the surface level. You are shallow and do not have the wisdom to see deadly unintended consequences. That's what laziness coupled with greed does.

It's like universal healthcare. Do you really want the government deciding your healthcare? Once they control it, what is stopping them from issuing mandatory vaccination (and I don't mean the typical Rubella and Measles). I mean rolling out tests from big pharma companies. Low income areas will for sure be used as guinea pigs. 

You don't think big pharma will donate to a political candidate in the hopes that the government will issue mandates where people are used as guinea pigs?
Oh great. Now you're claiming to be smarter than Yang.  Why not give him a chance to prove his point, instead of blocking progress?  Oh yeah, because it would mean he would prove you wrong and you can't have that; therefore you need to block his ideas before they become reality just to save face. 



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Re: Andrew Yang for President
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2019, 09:30:00 AM »
The more I listen to this guy, the more I am interested.  He brings fresh ideas to the table and he's a realist.  He's right we're losing alot of jobs to automation.  In my city alone, many stores and even Malls are closing.  The ones that are still operating barely get by - not what they used to be.  Even jobs, etc.  I live in a manufacturing state and we're losing manufacturing jobs and not gaining much.
  Yeah, couple months ago, I had a republican friend.  He's republican mainly because he listens to Republican talk shows and their angry yelling at everything progressive appealed to him, but he had change attitudes against Trump since seeing the things Trump has done.  He was still strictly Republican though, so I told him about Andrew Yang and the $1K that Yang is proposing.  He said, he's never heard of Yang so I encouraged him to do his research.  Last weekend, when we talked again, he was all about Yang. HAHA!!  I think he forgot I mentioned it to him, but he kept talking about Yang after he watched the videos of the guy speaking on youtube.  He said, he's never donated to any political candidate before but he actually gave $30 to Yang.  He's a Yang Gang now.  I guess I'll have to start paying more attention to Yang too if he can convince this guy to turn around.  ;D O0 O0



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