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« on: February 19, 2021, 04:02:45 AM »
Jackie Chan's documentary was released since 2003. I never knew his dad was secret spy for the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) and never knew his mom was an opium-smuggler. His father met his mom during smuggling raid.

https://nextshark.com/jackie-chan-father-spy-mother-drug-dealer/

Weird coincidence that the Chinese last name 'Fang' similar to the Hmong last name 'Fang' (changed to Vang later years).

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During his talk with his father, Charles revealed that their family name was actually Fang and that his full name was Fang Daolang.



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Re: Forreal?
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2021, 04:19:42 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP1WzkPsaOo

Jackie Chan's documentary was released since 2003. I never knew his dad was secret spy for the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) and never knew his mom was an opium-smuggler. His father met his mom during smuggling raid.

https://nextshark.com/jackie-chan-father-spy-mother-drug-dealer/

Weird coincidence that the Chinese last name 'Fang' similar to the Hmong last name 'Fang' (changed to Vang later years).



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Re: Forreal?
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2021, 09:06:50 PM »



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Re: Forreal?
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2021, 08:39:56 PM »
All of Hmong in last name are in Chinese. Fangs are not Vangs. Vang means king. I'm a Vang.



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Re: Forreal?
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2021, 01:10:15 AM »
All of Hmong in last name are in Chinese. Fangs are not Vangs. Vang means king. I'm a Vang.

 ??? I disagree with your assessment of the Vang surname.

I concur with Wallflower's observations.

What's so confusing about it?

You can't marry someone with the same last name even if you aren't related. Well, you can, but old school folks won't approve of it and you'll probably be ostracized.

You can marry anyone as long as they are of a different last name....includ ing first cousins. There are a few acceptions to the rule though. i.e. Thao/Kue, Her/Hang and Vang/Fang can't marry each because it's said they are considered one clan.




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Re: Forreal?
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2021, 11:26:49 AM »
??? I disagree with your assessment of the Vang surname.

I concur with Wallflower's observations.

On Wikipedia, Vang is 王。



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Re: Forreal?
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2021, 10:38:57 PM »
On Wikipedia, Vang is 王。

The Vang and the Hang clans changed their last name because they don't want to be persecuted if they remain as 'Fang'.

That's why Jackie's father changed his surname from Fang to Chan to avoid suspicious as a traitor.



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Re: Forreal?
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2021, 09:39:00 PM »
The Vang and the Hang clans changed their last name because they don't want to be persecuted if they remain as 'Fang'.

That's why Jackie's father changed his surname from Fang to Chan to avoid suspicious as a traitor.

Are there any historical facts though? You cannot assume based on a movie if it isn't documentary on true history. Vangs and Fangs aren't the same by far if you go exactly accordingly to the written surname in Chinese. Vang means king and that is a fact. Unless, you're telling me that not all Vangs are Vangs, which requires more evidence and proof because in China, they have that. There's Vaj, Vav, Vam, Vab, Vad, and more. Hmong only have ONE and that one is King. Therefore, my last name isn't some faaagot-garden that are full of daisies since the last name for Vang means King.



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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2021, 12:11:56 AM »
Are there any historical facts though? You cannot assume based on a movie if it isn't documentary on true history. Vangs and Fangs aren't the same by far if you go exactly accordingly to the written surname in Chinese. Vang means king and that is a fact. Unless, you're telling me that not all Vangs are Vangs, which requires more evidence and proof because in China, they have that. There's Vaj, Vav, Vam, Vab, Vad, and more. Hmong only have ONE and that one is King. Therefore, my last name isn't some faaagot-garden that are full of daisies since the last name for Vang means King.

Are you sure Vang means 'king'? When the last time they won any war and gave themselves a title? Don't forget they had lost to Hans and Vietnamese. Observe carefully how Hmongs fled from China all the way to southeast then Laos to Thailand to other parts of the world.
Facts right there, mane.  ::)

Being a king he had to be anointed by God for his people. Before the invasion of the Chinese, Hmongs are nothing but idol worshipper to Chiyou instead of sky daddy.




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Re: Forreal?
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2021, 12:31:48 AM »
Are you sure Vang means 'king'? When the last time they won any war and gave themselves a title? Don't forget they had lost to Hans and Vietnamese. Observe carefully how Hmongs fled from China all the way to southeast then Laos to Thailand to other parts of the world.
Facts right there, mane.  ::)

Being a king he had to be anointed by God for his people. Before the invasion of the Chinese, Hmongs are nothing but idol worshipper to Chiyou instead of sky daddy.

Chiyou is a Yang and to all the Yang by its meaning means sheep. Koreans, Hmong, and Chinese people agrees with this. As for Vangs, it means, "王."

You can search it up on three sides, which is Hmong, Chinese, and Koreans. Vang/Wang means King. It is and I will accept them much more than what we have.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Hmong_surnames

I posted this before; Vang means King. For example, "Vaj Huab Tais/王皇帝."

Another example, "Vaj Tswv/王主."


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Re: Forreal?
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2021, 12:40:41 AM »
Are you sure Vang means 'king'? When the last time they won any war and gave themselves a title? Don't forget they had lost to Hans and Vietnamese. Observe carefully how Hmongs fled from China all the way to southeast then Laos to Thailand to other parts of the world.
Facts right there, mane.  ::)

Being a king he had to be anointed by God for his people. Before the invasion of the Chinese, Hmongs are nothing but idol worshipper to Chiyou instead of sky daddy.

If you learn Chinese, maybe you might know. I hate to learn my enemy's language, but I have no option if I am wanting to know my history. Hmong people have suffer from oppression, persecution, and genocide by the Han Chinese for over 5000 years; yet, as much I don't want to learn Chinese, I have to if I am here to know my horrible past. Because Hmong history is all in Chinese. This is the sad part that our Hmong people; we had to write it in Chinese to tell the tale than in our written language.


Remember what the Qin did to us!

Vang and Fangs are different by origin. Hmong people and their clan are 9 back then. Now, we are 18 because we adopted the leftovers to be with us because nobody loved them. Our weaknesses is that we have a big heart for strangers and foreigners that the nation of the Hmong people fell apart.


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Re: Forreal?
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2021, 01:23:15 AM »
If you learn Chinese, maybe you might know. I hate to learn my enemy's language, but I have no option if I am wanting to know my history. Hmong people have suffer from oppression, persecution, and genocide by the Han Chinese for over 5000 years; yet, as much I don't want to learn Chinese, I have to if I am here to know my horrible past. Because Hmong history is all in Chinese. This is the sad part that our Hmong people; we had to write it in Chinese to tell the tale than in our written language.


Remember what the Qin did to us!

Vang and Fangs are different by origin. Hmong people and their clan are 9 back then. Now, we are 18 because we adopted the leftovers to be with us because nobody loved them. Our weaknesses is that we have a big heart for strangers and foreigners that the nation of the Hmong people fell apart.

You missed the point. Fang changed to Vang/Hang due to avoid persecution.  ::)



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Re: Forreal?
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2021, 01:30:53 PM »
You missed the point. Fang changed to Vang/Hang due to avoid persecution.  ::)

Again, Hangs are not Vangs. Where are the evidence that they are? The Vangs are liars, sellouts, and a con-artist by history. I'm a Vang and I know what my horrible ancestors did. GVP stole a lot of money from the Hmong people by lying, which makes no different than the Vangs of San Miami. Vangs went to war against Vangs inside the royal houses. It's the good, the bad, and the ugly; we all wanted to steal the throne.

However, again, Vangs are not Hangs.



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Re: Forreal?
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2021, 10:20:49 PM »
Again, Hangs are not Vangs. Where are the evidence that they are? The Vangs are liars, sellouts, and a con-artist by history. I'm a Vang and I know what my horrible ancestors did. GVP stole a lot of money from the Hmong people by lying, which makes no different than the Vangs of San Miami. Vangs went to war against Vangs inside the royal houses. It's the good, the bad, and the ugly; we all wanted to steal the throne.

However, again, Vangs are not Hangs.

No need to look for evidence. It's clearly within the human behavior of the Vaj. Their behavior pattern of course fleeing from persecution either submitting or rebelling against the Hans. If you say they're liars then that's one way to put into another perspective along with fleeing from persecution as well.  ;D  :D



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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2021, 12:43:58 PM »
Then here is my counter for you. If Vangs are liars, how do you know if the Vangs are fabricating the story? I prefer hard evidence with empirical proof than some lies that are made up by my clan. Vangs are liars. Why do you trust their stories of fabrication? Why trust a liar? O_o

No need to look for evidence. It's clearly within the human behavior of the Vaj. Their behavior pattern of course fleeing from persecution either submitting or rebelling against the Hans. If you say they're liars then that's one way to put into another perspective along with fleeing from persecution as well.  ;D  :D



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