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Title: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on August 31, 2012, 03:21:08 PM
First of All, I am not a travel agent and I am not out to offend anyone. Please don't have any preconceived ideas of what I may or may not do while I am over there. This is my first time to Laos and I will be visiting my grandmother on my mother’s side. I am just trying to document the process I am and will be going thru. Follow my thread me if you want and if this helps you too, than my mission was accomplished.

So… to start off, about 5 years ago, after my mother’s death, I had an awakening. Her mortality made me question my life and who I was. In my search for myself, I realize, I needed to reconnect with my family including those relatives still back in Laos. Well, this year I am going to do it… I am going back to Laos, a place I left when I was just 3 years old.
1.  First thing first. I verified I have enough Paid Time Off at work and I have money for this trip.  Have my passport and importantly, it has more than 6 months left before expiration. Checked on PTO, about 300 hours left. Checked on cash on hand, about 4500.00. (Not sure if this will be enough.)

2. Requested time off at work and received approval for 3 weeks in December. Hmong New Years in Phonsavan is Nov. 14, 2012 and in KM52 is Dec. 14, 2012, according to the Hmong calender.

3. Started to look at Airline tickets back to Laos about a month ago. I will be flying from San Francisco (airport code SFO) to Vientiane (airport code VTE). Others codes of interest for Southeast Asia are TPE (Taipei), HAN (Hanoi), BKK (Bangkok), CNX (Chaing Mai), ICN (Seoul) and LPQ (Luang Prabang).
 
Very important note… All of my research seems to suggest that the best prices on international flights to Laos are in the Winter and are made 3-4 months before your travel date. In addition,  you must fly out on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to get the best prices.

Vayama.com and Cheapoair.com are two of the best sites for flights to Laos and Thailand, I am not using a travel agent for my trip. Keep in mind that these prices are cheap, but they ARE NOT transferable or refundable. Please also make sure that you have the correct names when booking... EXACT and CORRECT spellings. Changes are not allow after booking.
 
On August 30, 2012, the best prices for Laos were on Cheapoair.com. Please see attached screen shot. (HELP.... How do I attached PIC?)
932.52 per person. SFO to ICN to HAN to VTE.

Stay tuned for HOTEL updates and Visa preparations.. .
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on August 31, 2012, 11:08:41 PM
Posted by: Shade

Thank you Shade... A couple of questions for you. My layover in Hanoi is rather long, about 10 hours. Do you know if they have hotels at the airport? How much? and is it worth trying to get some sleep? My gut feeling tells me I am going to be either too excited or too scared to get some sleep. I have nightmares about missing my flight...

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on August 31, 2012, 11:49:43 PM
Posted by: Shade

Yes... Vietnam will be my next destination... but for this trip, I am sorry to say, it will only be a long layover. I will just focus on Vietiane and KM52 for now. Thanks for the Hotel Info... I will check it out.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: IB THIAB NEEJ on September 01, 2012, 01:50:37 AM
What airline are you looking into? CheapOAir is a rip-off (can discuss in PM)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 01, 2012, 07:28:25 AM
Posted by: IB TIAM NEEJ

Thank you for your input. On what evidence do you based your claims? Don't take me wrong, I just want to know where you got your information.  As with any online services... you must do your research and you must know exactly what you want. As far as I can see, this is a ligitimate company that offers inexpensive tickets. Again, as I disclosed earlier... You must know exactly what days your travel plans are. Because once your reservations are made, there are NO refunds, exchanges, modifications and it is nontransferabl e. But for most travelers, this is NOT an issue and I would suspect this is also true for the Hmong community. I feel the cost savings outweights the restrictions. For both my sister and I going to Laos, we saved over 400.00 each over a traditional travel agent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CheapOair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CheapOair)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: IB THIAB NEEJ on September 01, 2012, 11:11:34 AM
No I'm not arguing against you bud...but FYI I don't use wikis (they're not a credible reference source according to APA/MLA standards because it's an open-ended source--meaning anyone can adjust it).

I've used cheapoair and onetravel many times. It's just their insurance is balony. If you miss your flight in an event of a family death, missed connecting flight, etc-insurance was suppose to cover it. (yes it's in the fine-print). Well a customer service rep with an east indian accent was trying to charge me $2300 USD for a ticket I already paid $1600 for. He said since I missed my flight, I can't just catch a flight to Paris, then SFO. He wanted me to pay a whole 'nother ticket. (I fly around the world 4-5 times per year. This year alone, been to Thailand 4 times).  Anyways, I hung up on him and he called me back after I declined his offer. (I was in the middle east and my AT&T roaming rates were $5 USD per minute. (which I already told him to seed things ups) I was flying Air France. And damn the French--don't work weekends so I couldn't reach them either. Luckily I was able to get ahold of KLM (AirFrance partners) and paid $350 USD to re-connect with them. So now I never use CheapOair. I just use their search engine to find who's the cheapest airline and use them directly. A 1000 USD ticket will charge up misc fees and make it 1300-1500 or something too.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: IB THIAB NEEJ on September 01, 2012, 11:36:34 AM
*correction--4 times within a 12 month time frame, not YTD.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: couchpotato on September 01, 2012, 11:46:42 AM
I find that when traveling in Asia, it is better to book directly with the airline. And just in case something happens and you need to change your flights, Asian airlines have much better customer service than Western airlines.

Shade has a pretty good checklist.  O0

One thing I would definitely advise is to get a card with your hotel address on it in the native language whenever possible. That way if you ever get lost or are too tired to find your way back to the hotel, you can simply hand the card to the taxi driver.

Last, don't forget your Lonely Planet book!  :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: couchpotato on September 01, 2012, 11:41:08 PM
I almost forgot, if you haven't done so yet, look up what airlines you will be flying with and sign up for their frequent flyer miles. It's free! :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MilesDaddy on September 01, 2012, 11:51:25 PM
First of All, I am not a travel agent and I am not out to offend anyone. Please don't have any preconceived ideas of what I may or may not do while I am over there. This is my first time to Laos and I will be visiting my grandmother on my mother’s side. I am just trying to document the process I am and will be going thru. Follow my thread me if you want and if this helps you too, than my mission was accomplished.

So… to start off, about 5 years ago, after my mother’s death, I had an awakening. Her mortality made me question my life and who I was. In my search for myself, I realize, I needed to reconnect with my family including those relatives still back in Laos. Well, this year I am going to do it… I am going back to Laos, a place I left when I was just 3 years old.
1.  First thing first. I verified I have enough Paid Time Off at work and I have money for this trip.  Have my passport and importantly, it has more than 6 months left before expiration. Checked on PTO, about 300 hours left. Checked on cash on hand, about 4500.00. (Not sure if this will be enough.)

2. Requested time off at work and received approval for 3 weeks in December. Hmong New Years in Phonsavan is Nov. 14, 2012 and in KM52 is Dec. 14, 2012, according to the Hmong calender.

3. Started to look at Airline tickets back to Laos about a month ago. I will be flying from San Francisco (airport code SFO) to Vientiane (airport code VTE). Others codes of interest for Southeast Asia are TPE (Taipei), HAN (Hanoi), BKK (Bangkok), CNX (Chaing Mai), ICN (Seoul) and LPQ (Luang Prabang).
 
Very important note… All of my research seems to suggest that the best prices on international flights to Laos are in the Winter and are made 3-4 months before your travel date. In addition,  you must fly out on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to get the best prices.

Vayama.com and Cheapoair.com are two of the best sites for flights to Laos and Thailand, I am not using a travel agent for my trip. Keep in mind that these prices are cheap, but they ARE NOT transferable or refundable. Please also make sure that you have the correct names when booking... EXACT and CORRECT spellings. Changes are not allow after booking.
 
On August 30, 2012, the best prices for Laos were on Cheapoair.com. Please see attached screen shot. (HELP.... How do I attached PIC?)
932.52 per person. SFO to ICN to HAN to VTE.

Stay tuned for HOTEL updates and Visa preparations.. .

where do you live in Cali? Do you need a ride to the airport? or back from the airport?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 02, 2012, 02:22:03 PM
No I'm not arguing against you bud...but FYI I don't use wikis (they're not a credible reference source according to APA/MLA standards because it's an open-ended source--meaning anyone can adjust it).

I've used cheapoair and onetravel many times. It's just their insurance is balony. If you miss your flight in an event of a family death, missed connecting flight, etc-insurance was suppose to cover it. (yes it's in the fine-print). Well a customer service rep with an east indian accent was trying to charge me $2300 USD for a ticket I already paid $1600 for. He said since I missed my flight, I can't just catch a flight to Paris, then SFO. He wanted me to pay a whole 'nother ticket. (I fly around the world 4-5 times per year. This year alone, been to Thailand 4 times).  Anyways, I hung up on him and he called me back after I declined his offer. (I was in the middle east and my AT&T roaming rates were $5 USD per minute. (which I already told him to seed things ups) I was flying Air France. And damn the French--don't work weekends so I couldn't reach them either. Luckily I was able to get ahold of KLM (AirFrance partners) and paid $350 USD to re-connect with them. So now I never use CheapOair. I just use their search engine to find who's the cheapest airline and use them directly. A 1000 USD ticket will charge up misc fees and make it 1300-1500 or something too.


Got cha... Well, hopefully, my trip will be a little less eventful than yours. My trip is pretty straight forward, but only time will tell. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 02, 2012, 02:24:50 PM
It may or may not be necessary, but some safety tips my group and I did prior to our departure were as followings:

1) We notified our banks/credit companies that we were traveling to SE Asia and planned on using our bank/credit cards for transactions.  The intention of this prior notice was to avoid card cancellations if they see suspicious transactions in Asia.  My bank advised me to change my access code to a 4 digits which was for my convenience when using the atm machines in SE Asia.  I was also given an international phone number as a contact number if I shall have to deal with thefts or stolen cards.   

2) We notified our phone companies about traveling to SE Asia.  We were informed of the difference ratings in each countries.  I found that helpful.  My phone company gave me free texting/photo and provided me with specific ratings for  each countries.

3) We made a cheat sheet of currency.  It was somewhat helpful especially when we moved thru different countries over a three week periods. 

4) We got all our vaccination shots done before leaving US.  It was for health reasons. Anyways, in our last week, we went to Laos. One of our group members got sick and so did I.  It was probably from the unsanitary food.  Our Laos relatives made delicious kapoon, papaya salad, and seeweed appetizers.  We also had a lot of street vendor foods, aside from hotel food.  Err...shouldn't have done all of that, but it was unavoidable when experimenting the fresh taste of SE Asia cultures.

5) Don't carry too much cash unless you plan on giving a chunk of it as gifts to your relatives which I don't advise.  They will always ask, but we probably know our limits.   Oh, if you and your sister have to buy clothes/purses or merchandise, always barter for reasonable price.  It always works in SE Asia because they want your business. 

6) Stay only at hotels only if you want to experience the richness of their counrty.  Relatives can be such a bother because they wanted unlimited attention and it can deviate you from your original plannings.  Most of the hotels in Vietnam, Laos and SE Asia are very cheap and comfortable where you have access to tv, internet, hot baths, and meals.  You can still hang out with relatives in the day time, but at night, for me, I need a me time to rejuvenate. 

7) Make a copy of your passport and keep it somewhere safe.  Most hotels will take your passport for copies and then bring back the originals.  Its they system of keeping tab on international travelers.

8)  Always tips, but be leery of airport screeners/bankers.  They can be prejudice if you are from America.  Just a heads up if this is your first time.

Ok, weed out what you find unnecessary on here and enjoy your trip.   

Shade... Great List and great contribution. I will keep this list in mind when writing my final Blog and Summary page. Number 7 and Number 8 scares me a little, I have to admit... I was told never ever to give up my passport and I know the guys at the "airport" usually requires a "tip" for you to pass "without" incidents... Hehehe. I will have some dollars bills on hand.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 02, 2012, 02:27:20 PM
I almost forgot, if you haven't done so yet, look up what airlines you will be flying with and sign up for their frequent flyer miles. It's free! :)

Couch...

Thanks for the info... Not sure if it will be worth my effort. This is my first time back and I am not sure when or if I will return anytime soon. HEHEHEHE... with that said, I will look into it and let you know.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 02, 2012, 02:30:44 PM
Posted by MilesDaddy

Hey MilesDaddy... I am coming from East Bay Area. I am not sure yet about transfers to and from airport yet. Did you have something in mind you wanted to share? Any issues with drop offs? Any issues with long term parking, if I choose to go that route? Any recommendation s in general for all other travellers? Drop offs vs. Long Term parking. I am sure SFO is not the best case to test this theory, everything is more expensive there???
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MilesDaddy on September 02, 2012, 03:59:42 PM
Posted by MilesDaddy

Hey MilesDaddy... I am coming from East Bay Area. I am not sure yet about transfers to and from airport yet. Did you have something in mind you wanted to share? Any issues with drop offs? Any issues with long term parking, if I choose to go that route? Any recommendation s in general for all other travellers? Drop offs vs. Long Term parking. I am sure SFO is not the best case to test this theory, everything is more expensive there???
you should use Bart or a cab, guess it all depends on you luggae situation. ..I thought you were in the Central Valley and that I could probably offer you a lift. My mom lives in Hayward and I am always looking for an excuse to go visit.... Not to many Hmong folks in the East Bay, although my wife has a cousin in Alameda.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: couchpotato on September 02, 2012, 08:44:04 PM
Even if you don't fly frequently, it's still nice to have in case you fly domestically. All domestic carriers partner with international carriers. :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 03, 2012, 11:35:23 PM
you should use Bart or a cab, guess it all depends on you luggae situation. ..I thought you were in the Central Valley and that I could probably offer you a lift. My mom lives in Hayward and I am always looking for an excuse to go visit.... Not to many Hmong folks in the East Bay, although my wife has a cousin in Alameda.

Good Point... For those sthat don't live in California or don't know the SF Bay Area... BART is Bay Area Regional Transit. Everyone, please keep in mind that most major cities and airports have buses/lightrail/or trains that goes directly to or near airports. If you're like me and find it hard to catch a ride to the airport, Public Transportation may be an option for you.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 03, 2012, 11:37:40 PM
This is cool! Subscribed.

Mang... thanks for the support. If you have any advice, please share also.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 03, 2012, 11:39:06 PM
Even if you don't fly frequently, it's still nice to have in case you fly domestically. All domestic carriers partner with international carriers. :)

Good point, I do travel alot domestically. SO, yea, I will sign up. FYI- for this trip, I will be using Korean Air and Vietnam Airt... They are part SkyTeam.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 03, 2012, 11:42:46 PM
HOTEL RSVP...

I am looking at Hotels in KM52 and Vientiane, Agoda.com seems to have the best prices. I will let everyone know. Anyone have any connections in KM52??? I don't see any hotels listed there? I assume there are hotels there? Too small of a town? Do I have to shack up with the relatives? HEHEHEHE...
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SummerBerry on September 04, 2012, 04:18:06 PM
My sil want to borrow 1k to buy her ticket to Laos ahead of time and it will cost her $700 now but my husband refused to borrow to her because if that her own vacation time and nothing important so she should come up with the money herself.

I have not travel to Laos or Thailand but would like to someday go to Laos only because I have one uncle (my mom's only sibling/brother) and my dad has 2 half-brother.  My parent been there a few time but I don't know their process or how much they spend.  I just know that one year they went my dad had to called home for my oldest brother to send $700 for a cousin to buy a motorcycle because he was crying to my dad about his life and everything.... ..........

Another thing country like Thailand and Laos is never on my husband mind to travel even though he has travel around the world to 5 different country.  We do have our mind set to travel to China in 2013.  My husband went in 2009 but that was just a tour group which is not what you expected and better to be on your own.  My fil passed away in 2011 a few months before we planned on going to China that same year but couldn't find any couple or anyone to travel with us.  2012 or this year I had a baby and didn't look good enough to travel at all.  Lucky my husband met a Computer Tech. guy that come to his workplace to fixed computer and after a few time of seeing him they never talked until a month ago.  He's willing to show us around China if we really want to go.  This October or November he is heading over there for a week to handle some business and once he is back we can start planning ahead and make it a 2-3 week trip.  My husband want to go to Hong Kong but the guy told us that going over the Chinese over there are not friendly and give you those gestures like they don't like the Chinese from mainland.  He prefer us to go to Taiwan better.   

Good luck on your trip to Laos.  My mother's brother lived in Lav52/Vietiene and my dad's 2 half brother lived in Phonsovanh too.  If you want information I can always asked my parent for anything you need.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: couchpotato on September 04, 2012, 06:02:04 PM
My sil want to borrow 1k to buy her ticket to Laos ahead of time and it will cost her $700 now but my husband refused to borrow to her because if that her own vacation time and nothing important so she should come up with the money herself.

I have not travel to Laos or Thailand but would like to someday go to Laos only because I have one uncle (my mom's only sibling/brother) and my dad has 2 half-brother.  My parent been there a few time but I don't know their process or how much they spend.  I just know that one year they went my dad had to called home for my oldest brother to send $700 for a cousin to buy a motorcycle because he was crying to my dad about his life and everything.... ..........

Another thing country like Thailand and Laos is never on my husband mind to travel even though he has travel around the world to 5 different country.  We do have our mind set to travel to China in 2013.  My husband went in 2009 but that was just a tour group which is not what you expected and better to be on your own.  My fil passed away in 2011 a few months before we planned on going to China that same year but couldn't find any couple or anyone to travel with us.  2012 or this year I had a baby and didn't look good enough to travel at all.  Lucky my husband met a Computer Tech. guy that come to his workplace to fixed computer and after a few time of seeing him they never talked until a month ago.  He's willing to show us around China if we really want to go.  This October or November he is heading over there for a week to handle some business and once he is back we can start planning ahead and make it a 2-3 week trip.  My husband want to go to Hong Kong but the guy told us that going over the Chinese over there are not friendly and give you those gestures like they don't like the Chinese from mainland.  He prefer us to go to Taiwan better.   

Good luck on your trip to Laos.  My mother's brother lived in Lav52/Vietiene and my dad's 2 half brother lived in Phonsovanh too.  If you want information I can always asked my parent for anything you need.

Unless you can speak and understand Chinese pretty well, or know someone who can show you around China I would not recommend going to (mainland) China without a tour group. This is especially true if you plan on going to more remote regions of China.

Neither the Chinese in Hong Kong or Taiwan particularly like mainlanders. Given the history, it's not much surprise. I think you can go to both Hong Kong and Taiwan. The flight between Taipei, Taiwan and Hong Kong is fairly cheap and is only about an hour and a half. While you are in Hong Kong, you can take a boat to Macau, the gambling center of Asia. :) The best part? You don't have to get your visas ahead of time and they are free for all three places. Mainland China on the otherhand....:(



Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Real_Man on September 04, 2012, 06:57:34 PM
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Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 04, 2012, 11:25:09 PM
My sil want to borrow 1k to buy her ticket to Laos ahead of time and it will cost her $700 now but my husband refused to borrow to her because if that her own vacation time and nothing important so she should come up with the money herself.

I have not travel to Laos or Thailand but would like to someday go to Laos only because I have one uncle (my mom's only sibling/brother) and my dad has 2 half-brother.  My parent been there a few time but I don't know their process or how much they spend.  I just know that one year they went my dad had to called home for my oldest brother to send $700 for a cousin to buy a motorcycle because he was crying to my dad about his life and everything.... ..........

Another thing country like Thailand and Laos is never on my husband mind to travel even though he has travel around the world to 5 different country.  We do have our mind set to travel to China in 2013.  My husband went in 2009 but that was just a tour group which is not what you expected and better to be on your own.  My fil passed away in 2011 a few months before we planned on going to China that same year but couldn't find any couple or anyone to travel with us.  2012 or this year I had a baby and didn't look good enough to travel at all.  Lucky my husband met a Computer Tech. guy that come to his workplace to fixed computer and after a few time of seeing him they never talked until a month ago.  He's willing to show us around China if we really want to go.  This October or November he is heading over there for a week to handle some business and once he is back we can start planning ahead and make it a 2-3 week trip.  My husband want to go to Hong Kong but the guy told us that going over the Chinese over there are not friendly and give you those gestures like they don't like the Chinese from mainland.  He prefer us to go to Taiwan better.   

Good luck on your trip to Laos.  My mother's brother lived in Lav52/Vietiene and my dad's 2 half brother lived in Phonsovanh too.  If you want information I can always asked my parent for anything you need.

Berry... LOL... I totally understand. Borrowing money to relatives is always a NO NO. It's hard to ask for it back and it's hard to just let it go. You either give it as a gift or don't borrow at all.

As for Vientiane and Phonsavan, I have relatives there as well. What I was looking for is Hotels in LAV 52, names of hotels and prices. I want to budget and make some reservations.

Thank you for the notes and I will let you know if I need anything else. Good luck on your trip to China.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 04, 2012, 11:35:02 PM
Unless you can speak and understand Chinese pretty well, or know someone who can show you around China I would not recommend going to (mainland) China without a tour group. This is especially true if you plan on going to more remote regions of China.

Neither the Chinese in Hong Kong or Taiwan particularly like mainlanders. Given the history, it's not much surprise. I think you can go to both Hong Kong and Taiwan. The flight between Taipei, Taiwan and Hong Kong is fairly cheap and is only about an hour and a half. While you are in Hong Kong, you can take a boat to Macau, the gambling center of Asia. :) The best part? You don't have to get your visas ahead of time and they are free for all three places. Mainland China on the otherhand....:(

Maybe it's just me... but other than the "Great Wall", I don't have any real desire to visit China. I have been to too many "China Town" in the USA I guess... Hehehehe... Seriously, Flights to Taipei and Taiwan or Hong Kong is way cheaper than to Laos or Thailand. I am not sure of the exchange rates there, but good luck.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: couchpotato on September 05, 2012, 07:09:11 AM
Maybe it's just me... but other than the "Great Wall", I don't have any real desire to visit China. I have been to too many "China Town" in the USA I guess... Hehehehe... Seriously, Flights to Taipei and Taiwan or Hong Kong is way cheaper than to Laos or Thailand. I am not sure of the exchange rates there, but good luck.

What the? lol. China is completely different from China town.  :D China has plenty to see and experience besides the Great Wall. :) Each province has something unique to offer.

The exchange rate for Taiwan is about $30 TWD to $1 USD. I think for Hong Kong it's about $7 HKD to $1 USD. I forgot to mention that both these places are easy to navigate, especially in Hong Kong since they speak English and the signs are in English as well. Taiwan is harder to navigate outside of Taipei but still doable if you aren't afraid of making a fool of yourself.  :D

And I am not going to either place, at least not for a while. I was just replying to summerberry.  :D
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Gawmp on September 05, 2012, 08:51:46 AM
A couple of years ago, I took my frist trip back to Laos. I was pretty antsy about the travel because I was traveling alone, so I read up as much as I can about the country - The Can Do's and the Can Not Do's. Following what I have read, the trip turned out to be an interesting trip. I am planning to go back again in a couple of years to see the other places that I have yet to see.

1) I haven't seen the advice of registering with the US Embassy once you are in the country. If you know where you will be staying and the duration of the stay prior to your entry, it is best to register that itinery with the Consulate's office. This information will help to locate/give a general idea where you were last seen in the event something happens to you, and your family is inquiring the whereabouts of you.

2) Keep handy the Emergency number for the US Embassy. This number should be a 24/7 number where you can reach someone if you need help as a US Citizen. Also, be aware that if you are arrested, you have the right to request the arresting authority to alert the US Embassy and tell them.

3) This may not sound like am important issue, but for me it was. I always carry a bottle of water in my backpack. I know there are vendors selling it, but I get thirsty quick and there's only one brand of water that to me tastes good. I believe there are two brands only and one of the two is just digusting when I drank it.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: couchpotato on September 05, 2012, 10:07:48 AM
A couple of years ago, I took my frist trip back to Laos. I was pretty antsy about the travel because I was traveling alone, so I read up as much as I can about the country - The Can Do's and the Can Not Do's. Following what I have read, the trip turned out to be an interesting trip. I am planning to go back again in a couple of years to see the other places that I have yet to see.

1) I haven't seen the advice of registering with the US Embassy once you are in the country. If you know where you will be staying and the duration of the stay prior to your entry, it is best to register that itinery with the Consulate's office. This information will help to locate/give a general idea where you were last seen in the event something happens to you, and your family is inquiring the whereabouts of you.

2) Keep handy the Emergency number for the US Embassy. This number should be a 24/7 number where you can reach someone if you need help as a US Citizen. Also, be aware that if you are arrested, you have the right to request the arresting authority to alert the US Embassy and tell them.

3) This may not sound like am important issue, but for me it was. I always carry a bottle of water in my backpack. I know there are vendors selling it, but I get thirsty quick and there's only one brand of water that to me tastes good. I believe there are two brands only and one of the two is just digusting when I drank it.

That is actually really good advice!  O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 05, 2012, 11:14:43 AM
That is actually really good advice!  O0

Gawmp and Couch....

Yes, this is really good advice and I had plan on noting this.. :angryfire: ;) Thanks for stealing my thunder! But Yes... Everyone, PLEASE, PLEASE register with the US Embassy in Vientiane. It is very close to the airport and only takes a few minutes.

US Embassy in Vientiane
Location Laos 19 Rue Bartholonie, That Dam Road, Vientiane, Laos
Hours Mon - Wed: 8:00 am - 12:00 pm  and  1:00 pm - 5:00 pm
Thu - Fri: 8:00 am - 12:00 pm
Contact Info Phone (856-20-2126 7055; 856 20-2126 7089

Website http://laos.usembassy.gov/index.html (http://laos.usembassy.gov/index.html)

Most older Hmong people don't bother with the process of registering themselves and it is NOT a requirement... But for my own safety and peace of mind, I am going to do this.

Another debate I am having is this... What's your take??? Get a VISA before leaving the USA or get a VISA "ON ARRIVAL". I have heard really good arguements from both sides... prices, convience, peace of mind, ease of applying. The list goes on and on.  Get one here for 50.00 or get one there for 35.00? I have heard arguements from both sides. Inputs welcome.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: couchpotato on September 05, 2012, 11:24:13 AM
Gawmp and Couch....

Yes, this is really good advice and I had plan on noting this.. :angryfire: ;) Thanks for stealing my thunder! But Yes... Everyone, PLEASE, PLEASE register with the US Embassy in Vientiane. It is very close to the airport and only takes a few minutes.

US Embassy in Vientiane
Location Laos 19 Rue Bartholonie, That Dam Road, Vientiane, Laos
Hours Mon - Wed: 8:00 am - 12:00 pm  and  1:00 pm - 5:00 pm
Thu - Fri: 8:00 am - 12:00 pm and 1:00 am - 5:00 pm
Contact Info Phone (856-21) 26 7055; 26 7089

Website http://laos.usembassy.gov/index.html (http://laos.usembassy.gov/index.html)

Most older Hmong people don't bother with the process of registering themselves and it is NOT a requirement... But for my own safety and peace of mind, I am going to do this.

Another debate I am having is this... What's your take??? Get a VISA before leaving the USA or get a VISA "ON ARRIVAL". I have heard really good arguements from both sides... prices, convience, peace of mind, ease of applying. The list goes on and on.  Get one here for 50.00 or get one there for 35.00? I have heard arguements from both sides. What's your take?

I haven't been to Laos in years.  When I went, we entered from Thailand without any problems. However, my cousin was just in Thailand and she had a terrible experience trying to cross the border.  :-\
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Gawmp on September 05, 2012, 11:59:26 AM
I was there in 2009 and there were a few travelers both Lao-Americans and Hmong-Americans that did their visa upon arrival. My take is, get it done prior traveling as boO said, it will ease your mind. Also, I don't see myself standing there waiting to fill out the form, pay and get my pictures taken while those that have theirs prior can get through customs and get out of the airport ASAP. I had mine prior and i got through in less than 5 minutes. The customs agent was talking to me in Laotion, but since I don't know the language, i spoke to him in English telling him that I don't know how to speak their language. He basically asked what i was there for.

I have heard first hand from a relative of a BIL that lives where I live. His account with the customs agent costed him almost $100 even though he had his Visa prior. The customs agent pulled him to the side and into his office and asked him to buy one of the expensive bottle of wine he had for them to drink. All this was because that relative brought with him a camera and the camera was in question as to what he was planning to do with it. It was also because the agent wanted to scam him for money...after he paid for the bottle of wine, the agent gladly let him through without further question. Now this is an account from the BIL's uncle....

i have also heard that the luggage attendant will require you to give them a tip for helping you with your luggage from the conveyor belt. I tell you, as you come downt he stairs from above to below, the conveyor is right there and your luggages (if you have anye) are there too. You really don;t need anyone to help you, but there are attendants there waiting. On that note, I would travel light if I was you.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: couchpotato on September 05, 2012, 09:06:51 PM
So general consensus seems to be to get your visa beforehand if you are going to Laos.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SummerBerry on September 06, 2012, 03:33:59 PM
Unless you can speak and understand Chinese pretty well, or know someone who can show you around China I would not recommend going to (mainland) China without a tour group. This is especially true if you plan on going to more remote regions of China.

Neither the Chinese in Hong Kong or Taiwan particularly like mainlanders. Given the history, it's not much surprise. I think you can go to both Hong Kong and Taiwan. The flight between Taipei, Taiwan and Hong Kong is fairly cheap and is only about an hour and a half. While you are in Hong Kong, you can take a boat to Macau, the gambling center of Asia. :) The best part? You don't have to get your visas ahead of time and they are free for all three places. Mainland China on the otherhand....:(





My husband does want to do Macau but like the guy said only if were gambler then worth going there otherwise there is not point.  I seen enough of Macau on youtube and just another Vegas so forget it. 

I'm kind of scared of traveling to the country side and everything but since the guy is familiar with the Miao people over there he would lead the way for us on this trip.  When my husband went to China as a tour group......... .it did look boring from photo he took and from what he share that it like you can't break away from your tour group and what sound interesting listed as the trip is not what it is.  He did get to go to Shanghai as part of the package. 

Our next door neighbor his parent visited him every 3-4 months and stayed for 1-2 month long and they said they resided close to Hong Kong area too.  They have broken English so it hard to communicate with them about China because their son is a student at UC Merced and been here in the US for 6 year.  The house his parent paid cash for it along with 2 cars.  He pretty much just have roommate to collected money for his own personal spending.  The father is good friend with one of the restaurant owner here but I haven't found out who or which restaurant.

My husband promise me China but just haven't been able to make the right time to go and I already feel like going to Vietnam to see the Hmong there because we never got people to go with us to China and then all of a sudden that computer tech guy .............. ....

Our passport expired so we need to do a new one since we've been traveling for the last 10 year to China, Europe, Thailand, Canada and Japan but they are never more than 2 week. 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 06, 2012, 06:09:09 PM
Gawmp, I can vouch for your statements about bribery. My parents traveled to Laos back in 2008 and they were detained by customs without any reason. A few hundred dollars later they were let go. They both speak excellent Lao.

There are crooks in both high and low places.

I have heard there is alot of corruption in Laos.. call it what you want, palm painting, gifts, leverage money, bribes. I hear it is the norm for them. Even school kids are "allow" to increase their grades and traffic tickets can be "forgotten" if you have enough money... but this is another subject and we're off course. For this trip, I will probably get my VISA before I go, just so I can get out of there faster. Thank for the input all!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 06, 2012, 06:13:13 PM
My husband does want to do Macau but like the guy said only if were gambler then worth going there otherwise there is not point.  I seen enough of Macau on youtube and just another Vegas so forget it. 

I'm kind of scared of traveling to the country side and everything but since the guy is familiar with the Miao people over there he would lead the way for us on this trip.  When my husband went to China as a tour group......... .it did look boring from photo he took and from what he share that it like you can't break away from your tour group and what sound interesting listed as the trip is not what it is.  He did get to go to Shanghai as part of the package. 

Our next door neighbor his parent visited him every 3-4 months and stayed for 1-2 month long and they said they resided close to Hong Kong area too.  They have broken English so it hard to communicate with them about China because their son is a student at UC Merced and been here in the US for 6 year.  The house his parent paid cash for it along with 2 cars.  He pretty much just have roommate to collected money for his own personal spending.  The father is good friend with one of the restaurant owner here but I haven't found out who or which restaurant.

My husband promise me China but just haven't been able to make the right time to go and I already feel like going to Vietnam to see the Hmong there because we never got people to go with us to China and then all of a sudden that computer tech guy .............. ....

Our passport expired so we need to do a new one since we've been traveling for the last 10 year to China, Europe, Thailand, Canada and Japan but they are never more than 2 week.

My only problem with Mainland China is this and Summer hit it pretty good on the nail. It is such a vast country with such diverse sub groups, that unless you have a tour guild, you're SOL. Physically, it is a huge country so it would be hard to just go to one location unless one knows what he/she wants to do. Kudos for those that have the courage to go, but as for me, I will stick with Laos and Thailand. They have the asian feel I like and just enough adventure to pull me in. I love the food, I know some of the people and language. Above, it is where I was born.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SummerBerry on September 07, 2012, 03:51:28 PM
I haven't been to Laos in years.  When I went, we entered from Thailand without any problems. However, my cousin was just in Thailand and she had a terrible experience trying to cross the border.  :-\

Why hard to cross the border?  My sister spend 1 year in Thailand as an exchange student.  She would cross the border to Laos and Cambodia for just a day and back without a problem.  She was lucky to spend one day with uncle and his family.  She even bought one of the little cousin a baby doll and she drag the doll all ragging and everything when my parent went to visited one year.  I almost wanted to donated all my daughter baby doll to them but think the shipping cost is not worth it. 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SummerBerry on September 07, 2012, 04:00:29 PM
My only problem with Mainland China is this and Summer hit it pretty good on the nail. It is such a vast country with such diverse sub groups, that unless you have a tour guild, you're SOL. Physically, it is a huge country so it would be hard to just go to one location unless one knows what he/she wants to do. Kudos for those that have the courage to go, but as for me, I will stick with Laos and Thailand. They have the asian feel I like and just enough adventure to pull me in. I love the food, I know some of the people and language. Above, it is where I was born.


I wouldn't trust just 3-5 people having a tour guide over there.  When my husband went it was part of the Chamber Of Commerce.  There was probably about 30-40 of them as a group but from photo it just seem so boring from seeing the Great Wall, etc.  The Great Wall is just a moment like Grand Canyon and nothing very special beyond it but just that you got to see it and talk about your experience. 

I have share photos of his trip in here many time in older thread along with Europe.  I think the trip to Europe was much better because it touch base with every historic place most people would visited and getting there was not a problem.  It just that their high cost of living make foods and everything over there expensive.

Laos is a country that I do want to go back to visited my birthplace at least 1x but my husband is not up for this trip at all.  He just like everybody else so scared of foods, killing, mistreat, etc.  He has a brother that died in Thailand in 95.   I know if I was to go with my parent I would feel safer because my parent been there a few time and know what they are doing.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 11, 2012, 01:52:58 PM
UPDATE ***** 

Visa Information for Laos... Please remember that you will need to use 2 months after date of issue and you may stay up to 60 days on one visa.

http://www.laoembassy.com/visa%20form.12.pdf (http://www.laoembassy.com/visa%20form.12.pdf)

Please also remember to send it certified mail with a returned paid postage so you will get your passport back. The application is in both Laos and English. I will be sending mine off in a couple of weeks from now.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 11, 2012, 01:56:42 PM
I wouldn't trust just 3-5 people having a tour guide over there.  When my husband went it was part of the Chamber Of Commerce.  There was probably about 30-40 of them as a group but from photo it just seem so boring from seeing the Great Wall, etc.  The Great Wall is just a moment like Grand Canyon and nothing very special beyond it but just that you got to see it and talk about your experience. 

I have share photos of his trip in here many time in older thread along with Europe.  I think the trip to Europe was much better because it touch base with every historic place most people would visited and getting there was not a problem.  It just that their high cost of living make foods and everything over there expensive.

Laos is a country that I do want to go back to visited my birthplace at least 1x but my husband is not up for this trip at all.  He just like everybody else so scared of foods, killing, mistreat, etc.  He has a brother that died in Thailand in 95.   I know if I was to go with my parent I would feel safer because my parent been there a few time and know what they are doing.

I don't know how "safe" Laos is or how "safe" anywhere else in the world is right now... but at the same time, we can not let our fears get the best of ourselves. I don't mean we should just abandon all common sense, but at the same time, if thousands of people go to Laos every year, I am pretty sure, it is somewhat safe. Life is short and precious, don't let fear ruin a good time and a chance to do those things you love.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 11, 2012, 02:00:56 PM
Why hard to cross the border?  My sister spend 1 year in Thailand as an exchange student.  She would cross the border to Laos and Cambodia for just a day and back without a problem.  She was lucky to spend one day with uncle and his family.  She even bought one of the little cousin a baby doll and she drag the doll all ragging and everything when my parent went to visited one year.  I almost wanted to donated all my daughter baby doll to them but think the shipping cost is not worth it.

I am also a motorcycle rider... Street Bikes. I currently own a CBR600. One of the things I wanted to do was to rent a bike in Laos and ride up to Vang Vieng. But so far I have not been able to locate any street bikes for rent in Laos. There are street bikes in Chiang Mai, which is where I may have to go to. Rent the bike in Thailand and ride into Laos. Not sure yet of the logistics of getting this done... but anyone with info, please help. Your stories of the border crossings scares me a bit...
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SummerBerry on September 13, 2012, 04:32:47 PM
I am also a motorcycle rider... Street Bikes. I currently own a CBR600. One of the things I wanted to do was to rent a bike in Laos and ride up to Vang Vieng. But so far I have not been able to locate any street bikes for rent in Laos. There are street bikes in Chiang Mai, which is where I may have to go to. Rent the bike in Thailand and ride into Laos. Not sure yet of the logistics of getting this done... but anyone with info, please help. Your stories of the border crossings scares me a bit...

Maybe I can asked my sister for you since she stayed in Thailand for 1 year as exchange student and cross the boarder to Laos, Cambodia, etc. when she can for just a day.  If it just a ferry maybe you can paid a little fees for them just to take it on the boat. 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: No regret on September 14, 2012, 12:57:13 PM
UPDATE ***** 

Visa Information for Laos... Please remember that you will need to use 2 months after date of issue and you may stay up to 60 days on one visa.

http://www.laoembassy.com/visa%20form.12.pdf (http://www.laoembassy.com/visa%20form.12.pdf)

Please also remember to send it certified mail with a returned paid postage so you will get your passport back. The application is in both Laos and English. I will be sending mine off in a couple of weeks from now.


how does this work?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 14, 2012, 05:05:32 PM

how does this work?

Sorry... I should have been more clear. http://www.laoembassy.com/visa%20form.12.pdf (http://www.laoembassy.com/visa%20form.12.pdf)

1.DOCUMENTARY REQUEREMENTS
One application form filled out.
Two photographs (COSTCO is very cheap for members and takes 1 Hour)
Original passport(which requires at least six months validity).
A copy of passport(the page contains your information).
If applying by mail, enclose prepaid return envelope.

2.VISAFEES
$ 50.00-US citizens
The visa fees must be in the form of money order or certified check.

3.VALIDITY OF VISAS.
All types of visas are issued for one entry and must be used within two months after the date of issue. (So, don't send for your visa until just a month or two before you leave for Laos)

4.THE LENGT OF STAY
60 days from the date of entry and can be extend by the Laos Immigration office.

5.Mail via Certified mail to:
Embassy of the Lao P.D.R
2222 S Street, NW
Washington, DC 20008

6.Be sure to include a pre-paid self Address envolope for the Lao Embassy to send your passport back.

If you need more information please contact the consular office at
Tel: (202) 667-0076 or (202) 332-6416 Ext: 203 & 205
From 9:00 a.m. to 12:00 noon only, Monday to Friday.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: No regret on September 14, 2012, 10:23:47 PM
This is nice.

but how about going there and doing it there, i heard it's even cheaper, like 30 dollars.  BUt i supposely it's nicer to have done ahead even before u enter laos.  that u don't have to worry it anymore.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 24, 2012, 12:20:07 PM
Before we left, we were weighing the total package cost.  It is much cheaper if doing it in Laos.  However, whatever floats everyone's boat, I guess. 

In our stay in Laos, we also ran into a young, single white girl travelling by herself.  If she can do it, anyone can do it.  Laos has become very touristic.

Shade, thank you for the reminder.

As Shade stated... for those with little or no international travels. It is different from domestic flights. Remember you would want to arrive at the airport at least 2 hours before your flight and your luggage must be within the airlines policy.

Korean Airline: 2 Checked Bags, 1 Carry-On and One person item (laptop, purse, backpack... etc.)
Checked Bags: Max. of 50 lbs each. 61 inches total (height, width, and length combined)

Of course, DO NOT bring Combustible/Flammable substances such as paint, lighter fluid, Pressurized gas containers such as oxygen tanks, butane gas cans, Weapons and/or explosive materials such as firearms, firecrackers, etc.

Each airline is different, so be sure to check with your airline before packing. **** A good tip is get to the airport early and if you have overweight luggages, you can always repack and move things around.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 24, 2012, 01:40:30 PM
What I will be pack and bring with me on my trip....

****Tip: Items with Free import tax into Laos - http://laos.visahq.com/customs/ (http://laos.visahq.com/customs/)

• 500 cigarettes or
• 100 cigars or
• 500 grammes of tobacco
• 2 bottles of wine
• 1 bottle of other alcoholic beverages
• 500 grammes personal jewellery
• The equivalent of up to 500USD can be legally enter or leave the country but must be declared at the customs department and should be exchanged at banks or exchange bureaus upon entry. All local currency is completely prohibited from entering or leaving the country.

What I will bring with me...

1. 4 pairs of jean, 7 tshirts, 3 shorts, 7 khakis, 7 polos, 1 light and 1 heavy jacket, 3 dress pants and shirts, 2 belts.
2. 2 pairs of dress shoe, 1 tennis shoe, 1 flip flop
3. Toiletries: toothbrush, toothpaste, floss, 2 bath towels, gel, shampoo, body wash, deordorant and disposable razer blades.
4. laptop
5. IPOD
6. Sunglasses
7. Digital Camera and Memory
8. 10 days worth of underwear and socks
9. Running shorts and shirts, I hope I can still go jogging there.
10. Baby Wipes and small first aid kit and 2 LED flashlights.

Gifts for the family:

2 Remote Control Cars for the Nephews (with extra batteries)
4 Talking Dolls for the Girls (with extra batteries)
1 Jacket and Hat for grandmom
1  Bottle of Patron for Cousin
1 Ceramic Hair Straighter for Cousin's wife
2 boxes of Chocolate Candy Bars from Costco, 60 bars of US Fat and Sugar!! :)

I also plan on leaving alot of my things behind... Digital Camera, LED Flashlight, Suitcase, towels, etc.

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: couchpotato on September 24, 2012, 05:03:46 PM
Shade, thank you for the reminder.

As Shade stated... for those with little or no international travels. It is different from domestic flights. Remember you would want to arrive at the airport at least 2 hours before your flight and your luggage must be within the airlines policy.

Korean Airline: 2 Checked Bags, 1 Carry-On and One person item (laptop, purse, backpack... etc.)
Checked Bags: Max. of 50 lbs each. 61 inches total (height, width, and length combined)

Of course, DO NOT bring Combustible/Flammable substances such as paint, lighter fluid, Pressurized gas containers such as oxygen tanks, butane gas cans, Weapons and/or explosive materials such as firearms, firecrackers, etc.

Each airline is different, so be sure to check with your airline before packing. **** A good tip is get to the airport early and if you have overweight luggages, you can always repack and move things around.


What month will you be visiting?

Laos is extremely hot and humid. I would suggest that you buy pants made of thin material and shorts. Not only will that keep you cool, but they are easier to wash, dry quicker and take up less space in your luggage.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SummerBerry on September 24, 2012, 06:56:41 PM
What month will you be visiting?

Laos is extremely hot and humid. I would suggest that you buy pants made of thin material and shorts. Not only will that keep you cool, but they are easier to wash, dry quicker and take up less space in your luggage.

Sound like he going in time for the New Year so not dealing with hot and humid weather because it already passed back in April/May.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 25, 2012, 10:53:14 AM
Are there extra charges for carrying unopen alcoholic bottles?

Hey Shade.... According the Lao's Border Customs/Regulations: The ITEMS below are FREE of Import Tax, which includes 1 bottle of alcohol.

****Tip: Items with Free import tax into Laos - http://laos.visahq.com/customs/ (http://laos.visahq.com/customs/)

• 500 cigarettes or
• 100 cigars or
• 500 grammes of tobacco
• 2 bottles of wine
• 1 bottle of other alcoholic beverages
• 500 grammes personal jewellery
• The equivalent of up to 500USD can be legally enter or leave the country but must be declared at the customs department and should be exchanged at banks or exchange bureaus upon entry. All local currency is completely prohibited from entering or leaving the country.

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 25, 2012, 11:00:16 AM
What month will you be visiting?

Laos is extremely hot and humid. I would suggest that you buy pants made of thin material and shorts. Not only will that keep you cool, but they are easier to wash, dry quicker and take up less space in your luggage.

Mr. Potato-

I will be visiting Laos in November (a month away and I am nervous as hell)... as Ms. Berry mentioned, I will be there for Hmong New Years. According to Weather.com and VisitLaos.com, NOV - FEB are the coolest months, especially in Northern Laos.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 25, 2012, 11:24:08 AM
;D

On a serious note, my sister and cousins travelled during November and weather was hot, humid and dry. Most of the time they were half naked.

Me, personally I'll forego the jeans and replace it with the items couch suggested.

Point taken and thanks... I will replace a couple of the jeans with shorts. By the way, which part of Laos were you in? I was told that in Luang Prabang and Xieng Khoung, it gets very cold!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on September 25, 2012, 08:15:59 PM
don't forget to keep this thread updated with photos of all the ppl/places u met/go!!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 27, 2012, 05:01:29 PM
don't forget to keep this thread updated with photos of all the ppl/places u met/go!!

Of course AOZ... I will keep a journal of what happens.

I have always been the "half glass full" type... but honestly, right now. I am a little scared and very nervous but at the same time, I am very excited. I wonder if Laos will be as beautiful as I remember in my dreams. I want to enjoy it all, the journey there: the time at the airport, the layovers, the time on the plane, the time in transit, my time there: my time in the cities, the hotels, and the countryside. I want to see the Plains of Jars in Xieng Khouang, I want to see the temples in Luang Prabang, I want to see the caves in Vang Vieng and I want to see the Mekong, when my parents crossed to freedom so long ago with me strapped onto their backs.

I can not wait to step onto the soil where I was born, where I took my first breath and where my grandparents were lay to rest. I hope I can still recogize the scent of my homeland and it will welcome me with a sense of calm and happiness I have been wanting. Has Laos changed from the stories that my parents used to tell me as a child before I fell asleep? The joy of living a slow and happy life, is it still there? I hope so... I hope it is all still there.... waiting for me.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on September 28, 2012, 04:26:49 PM
Of course AOZ... I will keep a journal of what happens.

I have always been the "half glass full" type... but honestly, right now. I am a little scared and very nervous but at the same time, I am very excited. I wonder if Laos will be as beautiful as I remember in my dreams. I want to enjoy it all, the journey there: the time at the airport, the layovers, the time on the plane, the time in transit, my time there: my time in the cities, the hotels, and the countryside. I want to see the Plains of Jars in Xieng Khouang, I want to see the temples in Luang Prabang, I want to see the caves in Vang Vieng and I want to see the Mekong, when my parents crossed to freedom so long ago with me strapped onto their backs.

I can not wait to step onto the soil where I was born, where I took my first breath and where my grandparents were lay to rest. I hope I can still recogize the scent of my homeland and it will welcome me with a sense of calm and happiness I have been wanting. Has Laos changed from the stories that my parents used to tell me as a child before I fell asleep? The joy of living a slow and happy life, is it still there? I hope so... I hope it is all still there.... waiting for me.

O0

YOLO!  all your answers are waiting for you in Laos...once you are there.... your heart will be content with it's answers...  what happens there may even change your life forever.  it may even inspire you for your next endeavor.  whatever happens, keep us posted!   ;)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: No regret on September 28, 2012, 11:18:24 PM
When you get there things aren't going to feel all groovy and fun just yet, becus everything there is too different and you'll need a little time to take in and adjust.  Not until like after a day or two, everything will start to sink in and you'll start to enjoy being there and experiencing everything there like it's culture, people, enviroment, etc.   ;D

It will be a trip worth going and the memories will stay with you.  Just don't leave your heart there if you're married and you'll be ok. ;D


 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 29, 2012, 10:56:56 AM
O0

YOLO!  all your answers are waiting for you in Laos...once you are there.... your heart will be content with it's answers...  what happens there may even change your life forever.  it may even inspire you for your next endeavor.  whatever happens, keep us posted!   ;)

AOZ... thank you. I fall into that 30 something age group and I work in a very stressful environment. I love my job and it's great pay, but sometimes, I wish the pace was a little slower; not so many deadlines to meet and projects to complete. Hopefully I will find inner peace there and come back ready to face this life again.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 29, 2012, 11:10:41 AM
When you get there things aren't going to feel all groovy and fun just yet, becus everything there is too different and you'll need a little time to take in and adjust.  Not until like after a day or two, everything will start to sink in and you'll start to enjoy being there and experiencing everything there like it's culture, people, enviroment, etc.   ;D

It will be a trip worth going and the memories will stay with you.  Just don't leave your heart there if you're married and you'll be ok. ;D

NO REGRETS... LOL, probably more information than what I want to share on PH... but I am not married and I don't have anyone here for me. I am also currently between relationships and figured this would a good time to go. HOWEVER, I am not going to find a wife there. I don't want it to distract me from having a good time just enjoying my families and getting to know my home again. Thanks and talk to you soon...
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: No regret on September 29, 2012, 04:59:00 PM
NO REGRETS... LOL, probably more information than what I want to share on PH... but I am not married and I don't have anyone here for me. I am also currently between relationships and figured this would a good time to go. HOWEVER, I am not going to find a wife there. I don't want it to distract me from having a good time just enjoying my families and getting to know my home again. Thanks and talk to you soon...
You are wrong about the girl distracting you from having fun, they will make your trip the best ever. ;D
It's ok if you're single, nothing wrong with adding a little icing to the cake. O0
good luck n have fun.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 05, 2012, 04:36:27 PM
You are wrong about the girl distracting you from having fun, they will make your trip the best ever. ;D
It's ok if you're single, nothing wrong with adding a little icing to the cake. O0
good luck n have fun.

LOL...  ???... Not sure if a few weeks is enough to start a meaningful relationship. Hopefully, I will be able to rent a motorcyle (NOT scooter) and tour Laos a bit.... that is where I will concentrate my efforts. I have dreams of getting up at the crack of dawn and ride til sundown, going from village to village... I want to see what is down every dirt road there. I don't want a phone, no wifi and no one to report to. Not sure if that makes sense or if you will believe me... but that's the plan for now.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 05, 2012, 04:39:51 PM
UPDATE****

I was told or at least I heard that there is a HMONG owned HOTEL in Vientiane. Can someone please confirm or deny these rumors? I will be in Vientiane for a few days on the first leg of my trip and would love to support our Hmong people if possible. Please let me know if you have any infor... good or bad about this place.

Name???
Number???
Location???
Prices???
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 05, 2012, 04:58:05 PM
LHG

I've FB your above query hopefully someone will respond.

I'll let you know..

Boo - Muchos Gracias. Looking forward to what you have to say!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 05, 2012, 05:33:53 PM
LHG

My aunt has confirmed that there is a Hmong owned hotel in that location because she stayed there last time.

She will follow up the name and location with my uncle and get back to me.

Hopefully in the interim someone else can provide you with the answer.

Ahhhhh... the power of Facebook. We bow to thee, o' mighty one! Thanks again Boo!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: No regret on October 08, 2012, 03:44:09 AM
LOL...  ??? ... Not sure if a few weeks is enough to start a meaningful relationship. Hopefully, I will be able to rent a motorcyle (NOT scooter) and tour Laos a bit.... that is where I will concentrate my efforts. I have dreams of getting up at the crack of dawn and ride til sundown, going from village to village... I want to see what is down every dirt road there. I don't want a phone, no wifi and no one to report to. Not sure if that makes sense or if you will believe me... but that's the plan for now.

If this is your first time.  ...and if you're the type who can also enjoyed the little things about traveling to other places, you'll have a lot of fun for sure.

Strolling along in a scooter out in the country town road is fun, cus it's not hectic and dangerous like in Vientaine. 

Here's a  picture I took when i was there 2 years ago, while a friend and I were riding around.  It's pretty easy but i never learn to ride one yet, so i just get on the back and friend took me around.

(http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/128/e110f2ad1923463ab096abfac4a39569/l.jpg)
 
 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Gawmp on October 09, 2012, 12:33:09 PM
The info I received:

The hotel is called vin men thong and is owned by a Her family. The hotel is close to That Loung..

Sorry if it's not specific.. :-\

Hopefully someone else can add further information.

My cousin stayed at that place before.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 09, 2012, 04:40:08 PM

If this is your first time.  ...and if you're the type who can also enjoyed the little things about traveling to other places, you'll have a lot of fun for sure.

Strolling along in a scooter out in the country town road is fun, cus it's not hectic and dangerous like in Vientaine. 

Here's a  picture I took when i was there 2 years ago, while a friend and I were riding around.  It's pretty easy but i never learn to ride one yet, so i just get on the back and friend took me around.


WOW Awesome pictures. I was just kidding about the dirt roads in Laos.  ;), seriously, are all the roads like that? It looks so peaceful and quite. I can hardly wait. Where was this picture taken and when? I think I am in love with it.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 09, 2012, 04:42:27 PM
My cousin stayed at that place before.

Gawmp... Cool... what's the review, not that it matters much. Good place? soft beds? AC? TV? Walking distance to places? Do you have a number?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: No regret on October 10, 2012, 12:57:01 AM

WOW Awesome pictures. I was just kidding about the dirt roads in Laos.  ;) , seriously, are all the roads like that? It looks so peaceful and quite. I can hardly wait. Where was this picture taken and when? I think I am in love with it.

Not all roads are like this some are curvy and not as nice as this.  This is 2 years ago,..as I remember this was taken at a town.. I forgot the name of it but like 40 minutes away from Vientaine.

The idea of going to laos from my experience is to have fun but don't get carry away with yourself.  Most people who end up in some sort of trouble there pretty much have themselves to blame becus they got carry away and start doing irrational things.

Over there, I saw this u.s old man hmong guy, who I think is a school couselor over here in the u.s.  he wore a nice suit, carrying a black brief suitcase that look like it had something very important in it or a lot of money inside walking around at one of the ghetto hmong new year.  I was thinking to myself, what's his intention, to show off that he's somebody important, rich, school couselor or what? 

You would think the guy's pretty educated to know better not to behave like that in such envoirment and place.  This is the kind of mentality that could potentially get you in trouble.  I'd be scare to carry that brief case around, somebody mite follow me to my motel and kill me at night for it, thinking money's inside it.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: cyber_loner on October 10, 2012, 07:29:53 AM
Awesome!! when you do you leave for Laos and when you leave Laos to come back home?

We will be in Laos for a few days in the last few days of December.  We booked our hotel in Vientiane ($150 USD per night on Agoda).  I've heard too many horror stories about staying in hotels in LAV52 where the main events are happening.   If you are comfortable in sleeping on a bed that still have strays of hair, human fluids, used condoms under the bed, stinky (poo) atmosphere etc than you should be fine in any hotels. - for my own peace of mind and enjoyment of my trip I just wont risk it.

One word of advice though - you might want to buy your own pillow, bed sheets, doona etc when you get to Laos and carry it with you if you are planning on sleeping in any hotel and than just give it away when you come back home.  My parents did that while they were over there as mum and dad couldn't stand the crap around them and on the bed (and they are not anal or clean freaks).  Also don't forget insect repellent - a must, a lot of mozzies around!

You might want to hook up with a local to be your personal driver if you want to go to places or have someone who knows where they are going.  You can hire a local and his car for around $30 −$50 a day depending on your budget.  Only catch is you are also responsible for their accommodation, fuel and food UNLESS you negotiate this in your price (though you can't get away with the food part - its just a Hmong thing I guess and fuel).  My parents hooked us up with a local they hired last time they were there, we are paying $40 a day including accommodation - word from a lot of people who's hired him before is that he is pretty good, different from your typical hmong guy.

My parents warned us not to have drinks with ice in them to avoid consuming contaminated water.  It does and doesn't happen - really depends on your luck I guess...I know a few people who's gone there and had icy drinks and they were OK.

If I can think of anything else later - I will share....:)

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 10, 2012, 11:24:04 AM
Not all roads are like this some are curvy and not as nice as this.  This is 2 years ago,..as I remember this was taken at a town.. I forgot the name of it but like 40 minutes away from Vientaine.

The idea of going to laos from my experience is to have fun but don't get carry away with yourself.  Most people who end up in some sort of trouble there pretty much have themselves to blame becus they got carry away and start doing irrational things.

Over there, I saw this u.s old man hmong guy, who I think is a school couselor over here in the u.s.  he wore a nice suit, carrying a black brief suitcase that look like it had something very important in it or a lot of money inside walking around at one of the ghetto hmong new year.  I was thinking to myself, what's his intention, to show off that he's somebody important, rich, school couselor or what? 

You would think the guy's pretty educated to know better not to behave like that in such envoirment and place.  This is the kind of mentality that could potentially get you in trouble.  I'd be scare to carry that brief case around, somebody mite follow me to my motel and kill me at night for it, thinking money's inside it.

Got it... No, I am not like that or do I want to portray myself to be like that. I know my place and I know I am no longer in Kansas. I am not there to show off my wealth, if I did have some. I really am just there to see the old country... enjoy the slow pace and see how our parents used to live. More importantly, I just want to get away from my crazy life here for awhile. Every once in awhile, I think we all need to put things, everything, into prospective and this is my intention for this trip. Thanks again for the advice and I hope I was not the only one that got the message.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 10, 2012, 11:34:45 AM
Awesome!! when you do you leave for Laos and when you leave Laos to come back home?

We will be in Laos for a few days in the last few days of December.  We booked our hotel in Vientiane ($150 USD per night on Agoda).  I've heard too many horror stories about staying in hotels in LAV52 where the main events are happening.   If you are comfortable in sleeping on a bed that still have strays of hair, human fluids, used condoms under the bed, stinky (poo) atmosphere etc than you should be fine in any hotels. - for my own peace of mind and enjoyment of my trip I just wont risk it.

One word of advice though - you might want to buy your own pillow, bed sheets, doona etc when you get to Laos and carry it with you if you are planning on sleeping in any hotel and than just give it away when you come back home.  My parents did that while they were over there as mum and dad couldn't stand the crap around them and on the bed (and they are not anal or clean freaks).  Also don't forget insect repellent - a must, a lot of mozzies around!

You might want to hook up with a local to be your personal driver if you want to go to places or have someone who knows where they are going.  You can hire a local and his car for around $30 −$50 a day depending on your budget.  Only catch is you are also responsible for their accommodation, fuel and food UNLESS you negotiate this in your price (though you can't get away with the food part - its just a Hmong thing I guess and fuel).  My parents hooked us up with a local they hired last time they were there, we are paying $40 a day including accommodation - word from a lot of people who's hired him before is that he is pretty good, different from your typical hmong guy.

My parents warned us not to have drinks with ice in them to avoid consuming contaminated water.  It does and doesn't happen - really depends on your luck I guess...I know a few people who's gone there and had icy drinks and they were OK.

If I can think of anything else later - I will share....:)

WOW.... 150 per night? Are you serious? For Laos? NOT Las Vegas or San Francisco, right? I am a little shocked... I went to Maui, Hi last year and only paid 150.00 per night, but that was for a condo with a separate bedroom and a kitchen. Seems a bit steep for Laos and for most other Hmong people who would consider going there.

I do want a clean room, but at the same time, it is just for sleeping. I don't plan to do much at the hotel. My plan is just to use the hotel as my base for day trips, basically a bed to sleep on and a place to store all my stuff I can't carry with me. I am curious to know what the name of your hotel is and what you intend to do while you're there???

I have seen 3-4 stars hotels for around 40-50 per night, which was on the high end, IMO.

As for a driver... I plan on renting a motorcycle while I was there. I got an International Driver's Permit (from AAA) and will drive myself around.

http://www.bike-rental-laos.com/bikes.php (http://www.bike-rental-laos.com/bikes.php)

Prices ranges from 25 to 50 dollars per day for a motorcycle and about 8-10 dollars per day for a scooter... depending on what you can get the owner to settle on. I figure, I would rent a motorcycle for a couple of weeks so I can come and go as I please.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: No regret on October 10, 2012, 04:35:43 PM
omg, 150 a night hotel?   those must be for millionairs over there.

here's one comfortable motel to stay at if you are in vientaine, use to be own buy a u.s hmong couple but they've sold it the people over there. It's right on the main street in vientaine going half mile east from the mall and that famous square monument in the heart of vientaine .  motel is called Villasok, ...it's clean and comfortable for around 20 bucks a night.  there are hmong girls working there cleaning and taking care of the place so you will feel more comfortable staying there. 

NO need to stay at very expensive places unless you don't mind spending the money, 20-30 bucks a nite motel is nice enuff from my experience. O0

The cheap and dirtier places are 5 to 7 bucks a night--not recommended.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: cyber_loner on October 11, 2012, 05:20:36 AM
WOW.... 150 per night? Are you serious? For Laos? NOT Las Vegas or San Francisco, right? I am a little shocked... I went to Maui, Hi last year and only paid 150.00 per night, but that was for a condo with a separate bedroom and a kitchen. Seems a bit steep for Laos and for most other Hmong people who would consider going there.

I do want a clean room, but at the same time, it is just for sleeping. I don't plan to do much at the hotel. My plan is just to use the hotel as my base for day trips, basically a bed to sleep on and a place to store all my stuff I can't carry with me. I am curious to know what the name of your hotel is and what you intend to do while you're there???

I have seen 3-4 stars hotels for around 40-50 per night, which was on the high end, IMO.

As for a driver... I plan on renting a motorcycle while I was there. I got an International Driver's Permit (from AAA) and will drive myself around.

http://www.bike-rental-laos.com/bikes.php (http://www.bike-rental-laos.com/bikes.php)

Prices ranges from 25 to 50 dollars per day for a motorcycle and about 8-10 dollars per day for a scooter... depending on what you can get the owner to settle on. I figure, I would rent a motorcycle for a couple of weeks so I can come and go as I please.

Damn serious :) It's in Laos.  Just surf it on AGODA - you'd be surprised at how expensive a little bit of luxury can cost.  And to answer your question, my husband and I are just visiting Laos but ensuring that our accommodation is a great experience rather than a "holiday from hell".  We work hard and save hard, why not live it up while holidaying right?  Most people wouldn't go there - I thought the same too when I was looking for accommodation. ..I mean I wouldn't appreciated if I paid good money for a room and than find a used condom under my bed - like seriously, WTF???? At least I know the old men from the USA will not be taking their one night stands there, that's for sure  :D

Driving is ok in Laos but please do be extra careful.  Had an instance with one of the guys in town that decided to go behind the wheels and got into an accident.  According to him it was NOT his fault but being a foreigner, they made it look and sound like his fault.  He had to pay compensation to his "victim" and on top of that money to bribe the police so that he does not get a unfair trial.  Just remember just because you are from the states does not make you immune to the corrupted laws of Asia.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SummerBerry on October 11, 2012, 03:09:05 PM
Damn serious :) It's in Laos.  Just surf it on AGODA - you'd be surprised at how expensive a little bit of luxury can cost.  And to answer your question, my husband and I are just visiting Laos but ensuring that our accommodation is a great experience rather than a "holiday from hell".  We work hard and save hard, why not live it up while holidaying right?  Most people wouldn't go there - I thought the same too when I was looking for accommodation. ..I mean I wouldn't appreciated if I paid good money for a room and than find a used condom under my bed - like seriously, WTF???? At least I know the old men from the USA will not be taking their one night stands there, that's for sure  :D

Driving is ok in Laos but please do be extra careful.  Had an instance with one of the guys in town that decided to go behind the wheels and got into an accident.  According to him it was NOT his fault but being a foreigner, they made it look and sound like his fault.  He had to pay compensation to his "victim" and on top of that money to bribe the police so that he does not get a unfair trial.  Just remember just because you are from the states does not make you immune to the corrupted laws of Asia.

To me it just a place to sleep so I don't care for all the luxury that come with the hotel.  I remember one time in Vegas.  A couple who wanted us to go with them to Vegas since they never been there.  They booked us a room at the Circus Circus for $180 a night and then they wanted to stay another night so we all just got a room at Travelodge for $70 a night.  I didn't see any difference between these 2 hotel at all but both did come with 2 bed to accompany 4 people.  It was nothing special to me like I need a nice suite to relaxed, sleep, etc. because when you head outside it is what you are experiencing that is more fun while all it matter is coming back to a room and have a bed to rest for the night.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: No regret on October 11, 2012, 03:20:38 PM
Damn serious :) It's in Laos.  Just surf it on AGODA - you'd be surprised at how expensive a little bit of luxury can cost.  And to answer your question, my husband and I are just visiting Laos but ensuring that our accommodation is a great experience rather than a "holiday from hell".  We work hard and save hard, why not live it up while holidaying right?  Most people wouldn't go there - I thought the same too when I was looking for accommodation. ..I mean I wouldn't appreciated if I paid good money for a room and than find a used condom under my bed - like seriously, WTF? ??? At least I know the old men from the USA will not be taking their one night stands there, that's for sure  :D

Driving is ok in Laos but please do be extra careful.  Had an instance with one of the guys in town that decided to go behind the wheels and got into an accident.  According to him it was NOT his fault but being a foreigner, they made it look and sound like his fault.  He had to pay compensation to his "victim" and on top of that money to bribe the police so that he does not get a unfair trial.  Just remember just because you are from the states does not make you immune to the corrupted laws of Asia.
I hope you guys pick up all your used condoms or not leave any kind of stains on the bed sheet.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: cyber_loner on October 11, 2012, 09:51:07 PM
I hope you guys pick up all your used condoms or not leave any kind of stains on the bed sheet.

LOL...going off topic but no need for that in our department  O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: cyber_loner on October 11, 2012, 09:53:29 PM
To me it just a place to sleep so I don't care for all the luxury that come with the hotel.  I remember one time in Vegas.  A couple who wanted us to go with them to Vegas since they never been there.  They booked us a room at the Circus Circus for $180 a night and then they wanted to stay another night so we all just got a room at Travelodge for $70 a night.  I didn't see any difference between these 2 hotel at all but both did come with 2 bed to accompany 4 people.  It was nothing special to me like I need a nice suite to relaxed, sleep, etc. because when you head outside it is what you are experiencing that is more fun while all it matter is coming back to a room and have a bed to rest for the night.

I guess it's a personal choice.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 12, 2012, 01:25:16 PM
I guess it's a personal choice.

Yes... that is totally correct and well within your means to do what you want.

More can be made of this debate... and everyone, please feel free to jump in here.

For me personally, I would rather get a cheap hotel, and spend my money elsewhere... I.E. Good Food, Entertainment, Sight Seeing, and shopping. It has been my experience that most HMONG people are very frugal and rarely spend on luxury. You and your hubby are the exception and that is a good thing.

For the general population of Hmong out there... Please NOTE that hotels in Vientinane... 2-3 Stars are only 12 - 22 dollars a night. That's cheaper than most MOTELS in the US. WWW.AGODA.COM (http://WWW.AGODA.COM) is the best site and have very good reviews. Good luck all!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 12, 2012, 01:29:33 PM
To me it just a place to sleep so I don't care for all the luxury that come with the hotel.  I remember one time in Vegas.  A couple who wanted us to go with them to Vegas since they never been there.  They booked us a room at the Circus Circus for $180 a night and then they wanted to stay another night so we all just got a room at Travelodge for $70 a night.  I didn't see any difference between these 2 hotel at all but both did come with 2 bed to accompany 4 people.  It was nothing special to me like I need a nice suite to relaxed, sleep, etc. because when you head outside it is what you are experiencing that is more fun while all it matter is coming back to a room and have a bed to rest for the night.

Summer / NO Regret....

I would agree with you on this subject... Again, if I was going to Maui/Las Vegas/DisneyLand, I would probaly fork out the extra cash and spend it on a nice hotel. However, this is Laos... and I doubt there are very much to do at the hotels within Laos. Cyber_Loner makes a good point, but unless I am going on my honeymoon or is on the vacation of a lifetime with my family, I will probably be looking at budget before luxury.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: No regret on October 12, 2012, 03:34:54 PM
I don't know if you thought of this already but here's a great tool  to help you kno and see exactly where u want to go in Laos before you get there.

Download Google earth....it'll show you all the streets, places and locations in laos you want to go to.  I've tried it and it showed  all places, motels I've stayed at from a birds eye view.

Forgot about google earth, u can view every part of the world even your own house from above.
 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: cyber_loner on October 12, 2012, 11:13:29 PM
Hi all,

Just heard through the grapevine that apparently during Nov - Dec, there will be some political conference happening in Laos which will be affecting entry in and out of Laos? 

I had a look on the government trip advisor web page and to date nothing re this have been issued.  I am just down playing it at the moment as "Hmong rumours" however if anyone else have heard - please confirm if correct and how it will affect travel, limitations etc during these two months.

Thanks all,


Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 16, 2012, 10:07:11 PM
Hi all,

Just heard through the grapevine that apparently during Nov - Dec, there will be some political conference happening in Laos which will be affecting entry in and out of Laos? 

I had a look on the government trip advisor web page and to date nothing re this have been issued.  I am just down playing it at the moment as "Hmong rumours" however if anyone else have heard - please confirm if correct and how it will affect travel, limitations etc during these two months.

Thanks all,

http://www.asem9.la/show.php?id=9 (http://www.asem9.la/show.php?id=9)

My cousin who is a police officer in Vientiane tells me that there will be a Summit/Conference in Laos. The Asia Europe Meeting (ASEM 9 Summit) will take place in Laos on Nov. 5-6, 2012. In preparation for this meeting, security in and around Laos will be tighten, but tourism and tourist into Laos will NOT  be affected.

If you think about, it does not make sense for Laos to limit or restrict tourist into Laos. Tourism is one of Lao's major source of income. This includes tourism money from the highly popular Hmong New Years in Laos.

Just rumors by uninformed people.... (Don't let them use their Jedi mind tricks on you!)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 16, 2012, 10:10:56 PM
I don't know if you thought of this already but here's a great tool  to help you kno and see exactly where u want to go in Laos before you get there.

Download Google earth....it'll show you all the streets, places and locations in laos you want to go to.  I've tried it and it showed  all places, motels I've stayed at from a birds eye view.

Forgot about google earth, u can view every part of the world even your own house from above.

I have a GPS and I will pay extra for Maps of South East Asain... hopefully that should work for me. I also have my hacked IPhone and I will purchase a SIM card there to use. Hopefully between my GPS and IPHONE, I should not get lost.

***Travel Tip*** For those that have a Blackberry, Iphone or similiar smartphone, which can be hacked, you can use the SIM cards in Laos. My buddy gave me this tip and I will give it a try. I will let everyone know.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 16, 2012, 10:21:54 PM
*** 30 days and counting til my trip back to the mother land***

I am a little nervous still, and it has not hit me yet that I am really going back to Laos. Ever since I was a little kid growing up in the midwest, I have always dream of going to Laos... mostly because my parents were always homesick and talked about Laos so often. But more importantly, I want to see Laos for myself. I guess it is only human nature to want to know about our past, I guess it is only natural to want to feel like we belong. I am an Amerian citizen, but I have never really feel like I fit in. I love my life here and I love the USA... but a part of my longs to be in Laos. I am not sure why...
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: cyber_loner on October 18, 2012, 05:48:49 AM
http://www.asem9.la/show.php?id=9 (http://www.asem9.la/show.php?id=9)

My cousin who is a police officer in Vientiane tells me that there will be a Summit/Conference in Laos. The Asia Europe Meeting (ASEM 9 Summit) will take place in Laos on Nov. 5-6, 2012. In preparation for this meeting, security in and around Laos will be tighten, but tourism and tourist into Laos will NOT  be affected.

If you think about, it does not make sense for Laos to limit or restrict tourist into Laos. Tourism is one of Lao's major source of income. This includes tourism money from the highly popular Hmong New Years in Laos.

Just rumors by uninformed people.... (Don't let them use their Jedi mind tricks on you!)

Thanks heaps for the info!! O0

And yes you are absolutely correct in making no sense why such restriction would be imposed....

Must be exciting for you as your days near the departure date back to Laos...!!!  Can't wait for ours...57 more days for us!!!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SummerBerry on October 19, 2012, 06:06:53 PM
I guess it's a personal choice.

True its a personal choice.  If I was celebrating something much nicer maybe go a little luxury but most of the time it just a place for us to crash for the night while in those town/place.  If it a real vacation where it just the 2 of us then I would probably want a high taste or the best of whatever I can afford as long as it paid and not charging on cc............ ....

We can't leave our kids behind because we don't have anyone to look after them since we are on our own here so if we have to go somewhere then most likely our kids have to go to so that why the other couple took their kids too.  We didn't gamble but they did and lost $400.  Ever since they got to see Vegas they have been going back there a couple time up to date.......... I don't gamble but if it was to go see show and do other stuffs then I don't mind going but then Vegas is not all that when it is daytime and just nighttime..... .......  I use to go there a few time before I wasn't even married because LA isn't too far from it.........
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on October 21, 2012, 03:17:49 AM
no matter what's going on in Laos they'll never stop tourism, cus they'll lose all that money!  More and more people are going there every year now.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Try and Try Again on October 21, 2012, 03:23:24 AM
not interested, this is an mtt thing

 :2funny:
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: No regret on October 21, 2012, 04:14:25 AM
not interested, this is an mtt thing

 :2funny:

Actually there's all kinds of choices to do over there, mtt or not mtt. ;D

If u want modern things and accomodations, just stay and hang around vientiane.

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 26, 2012, 12:01:04 PM
not interested, this is an mtt thing

 :2funny:

Not sure what MTT has to do with it... but to me there is so much more there than just Hmong People. Aside from the fact that my parents were born there and I was born there. Laos has a rich history, be it war, communist rule, or under monarchy rule, Laos has come a long ways. Any country that has had so much adversity and still shines in spike of it, deserves a visit no matter who you are. I hear the people are also friendly and warm.

Bottom line, don't let the stereotypes scared you or give you any preconeived notions. If anything else, go and enjoy the slow pace of like,  be on a vacation.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 26, 2012, 12:04:45 PM
no matter what's going on in Laos they'll never stop tourism, cus they'll lose all that money!  More and more people are going there every year now.

I agree... Tourism is a great source of income to Laos and the local population... Especially in this economy. Laos has and is trying to come into the global community again as evident with their recent ties to US. I for one am glad and thankful. Less fighting in the world is always a good thing.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 26, 2012, 12:08:16 PM
Thanks heaps for the info!! O0

And yes you are absolutely correct in making no sense why such restriction would be imposed....

Must be exciting for you as your days near the departure date back to Laos...!!!  Can't wait for ours...57 more days for us!!!

Cyber... Not to impose, but what part of Laos will you be visiting? Do you have family there still and how long will you be staying?

BTW- I am very excited, but also very nervous. I am still getting my stuff ready, buying gifts for everyone and trying my very best to save money.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 26, 2012, 12:17:15 PM
***NEWS UPDATE***

Just got confirmation from my cousin yesteday... He lives in Phonsavan, Xieng Khouang. New Years for Xieng Khouang, city of Phonsavan will take place on Dec. 13, 2012. The change in date was do to the fact that the rain in Laos was late in coming this year and thus the rice harvest will also be late. The people around Xieng Khouang will not be finish with harvesting rice until late November and thus New Years will be pushed back to December 13, 2012.

I am still trying to get the latest update on KM52, LAV10 (RED Dirt) and Vientiane area. At this point, there is a good indication that their New Year will be pushed back as well to January. However, this is unconfirmed. If anyone else has a confirmation, please help post it here.

PS - If anyone reading this is going to Laos during the early part of December... please PM me. Perhaps we can hook up for a meal in Laos!

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: No regret on October 27, 2012, 01:12:33 AM
I agree... Tourism is a great source of income to Laos and the local population... Especially in this economy. Laos has and is trying to come into the global community again as evident with their recent ties to US. I for one am glad and thankful. Less fighting in the world is always a good thing.

right, u.s hmong goes there and literally dumps money there in the thousands per person.  each person will dump around 4 to 5k in a month, that's the minimal too. ;D
just a rough estimate...200 people, x 5000=1,000,000.00 :)
A million u.s dollars is a lot in Laos
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: No regret on October 27, 2012, 01:38:54 AM
it will be a fun trip. :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: No regret on October 27, 2012, 02:19:31 AM
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Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: cyber_loner on October 28, 2012, 07:03:49 AM
here's some pics i took to boost u up for your trip. :)

(http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/56/ca35dd0000ba44b594d3fd893c1bd78f/l.jpg)

(http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/58/2b09c17b919943b6a66f4eae1cc10649/l.jpg)

(http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/154/271c56541bcb4016895da4b81a6b88d0/l.jpg)

(http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/140/6d6c0e1b0f504faebdf5d046cfee5415/l.jpg)

(http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/144/ed99c686a62c49a9864c76631adfdb2a/l.jpg)

(http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/140/aaa72116213d462f90c3b374e6cb5222/l.jpg)

(http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/143/731957bebfcd422f8d9d6557f62cc834/l.jpg)

These pictures are very nice!!

Out of curiosity - the bungalows (2nd picture) where about is that? definitely somewhere I would love to wake up to in the morning!!!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: cyber_loner on October 28, 2012, 07:07:09 AM
Cyber... Not to impose, but what part of Laos will you be visiting? Do you have family there still and how long will you be staying?

BTW- I am very excited, but also very nervous. I am still getting my stuff ready, buying gifts for everyone and trying my very best to save money.

At this stage - we will just be around Vientiane and doing day trips back and forth.  We are only staying for a few days in Laos too, it wasn't really part of the trip but because considering we were close by (in neighbouring countries) we decided to do a quick visit there.

Hopefully when we arrive in Laos, we will get to see some New Years (late December)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: No regret on October 28, 2012, 10:18:47 PM
That place is in Vang Vieng....it's really nice and bueatiful there.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on October 29, 2012, 09:22:34 AM
Damm...New Years change screwed up all of my freggin plans.  Stupid Hmong people, just change dates whenever they feel like it.   >:( >:( :(
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Visionary on October 29, 2012, 02:52:36 PM
not interested, this is an mtt thing

 :2funny:

What a RUAM thing to say. Shows how ignorant and mtt you are. 

If going to Laos is a mtt thing, why's them Americans, Europeans,  folks from all walks of the earth flocking there ?  ::)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 29, 2012, 10:35:43 PM
That place is in Vang Vieng....it's really nice and bueatiful there.

WOW... HOLY $HIT... these are awesome pictures. Makes me wish I was there now... These are some beautiful places and you did a great job. I always imagine Laos as jungle filled with coconut trees, dirt floor houses and opium fields.

Thanks for sharing... I am very excited.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 29, 2012, 10:44:06 PM
Damm...New Years change screwed up all of my freggin plans.  Stupid Hmong people, just change dates whenever they feel like it.   >:( >:( :(

Yea, I am sorry buddy... but keep in mind that the Hmong in Laos are still at the mercy of mother nature which can include wind, rain and sun. Take it in stride as I am sure it was nothing mean spirited or intentional... You should still go and have a great time. I plan on it myself.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 29, 2012, 10:45:51 PM
What a RUAM thing to say. Shows how ignorant and mtt you are. 

If going to Laos is a mtt thing, why's them Americans, Europeans,  folks from all walks of the earth flocking there ?  ::)

 :2funny: Agreed! Well put.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 29, 2012, 10:49:49 PM
At this stage - we will just be around Vientiane and doing day trips back and forth.  We are only staying for a few days in Laos too, it wasn't really part of the trip but because considering we were close by (in neighbouring countries) we decided to do a quick visit there.

Hopefully when we arrive in Laos, we will get to see some New Years (late December)

Cool... Hope you have fun!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: No regret on October 30, 2012, 02:24:00 PM
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Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: No regret on October 30, 2012, 09:52:28 PM
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Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on October 31, 2012, 03:32:33 PM
Anyone know what's the stndard electrical outlet used in Laos?  Ive tried looking it up and they use so many.   :-\
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 31, 2012, 05:47:39 PM
just more pretty pics of vang vieng laos


(http://ic2.pbase.com/o2/12/182212/1/91253936.O47L34aG.VangVieng137b.jpg)

(http://m4.i.pbase.com/g4/12/182212/2/58835324.UnzdW2wC.jpg)

(http://m3.i.pbase.com/o6/12/182212/1/58833733.4U0XJdtk.VangVieng27b.jpg)

(http://ic2.pbase.com/o2/12/182212/1/91253937.Ra7ZAueK.VangVieng145b.jpg)

(http://www.davidsanger.com/graphics/clear.gif)

WOW... Again, these are some awesome pictues. You're making me restless, I want to go now!!!! Man, I am so excited.

Thanks again for sharing. BTW - How far is Vang Vieng from Vientiane? Can I do a day trip there and back or will this require a over night stay???
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 31, 2012, 06:04:17 PM
Anyone know what's the stndard electrical outlet used in Laos?  Ive tried looking it up and they use so many.   :-\

*** Voltage/Electronic Devices for Laos***

MenyuamHmoob - Great Topic

Here is what I found and I hope it helps you too...

Laos' electrical voltage (Wall Plugs) for those Hmong household that have it is 220 V, 2 prong plug. Standard US electrical outlets is typical 110 V, 3 prong plug. (See link below for exact picture)

Please keep in mind that most high end Laptops, Digital Cameras, and Cell Phones have a 220V/110V compatible charger. ( You can tell by looking at your charger, it will say in small fine prints - 220v/110v rated.)

All other electronic devices (Cheap Items) hair dryers, some portable TVs, Cell Phones, and curling irons are only rated at 110v and is not compatible with the outlet in LAOS. You will set your relatives house on fire if you use it!

If you have a device that is NOT supported, you will need to buy a 220V to 110V converter. It is about 10.00 dollars from Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Simran-SMF-200-Converter-International-Countries/dp/B000W9DJ1Q (http://www.amazon.com/Simran-SMF-200-Converter-International-Countries/dp/B000W9DJ1Q)

I have a HP EliteBook and it can use both 220V or 110V... I normally charge my digital camera off the USB port, so I should be fine. Hope this helps you!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: No regret on November 01, 2012, 12:55:17 AM
WOW... Again, these are some awesome pictues. You're making me restless, I want to go now!!!! Man, I am so excited.

Thanks again for sharing. BTW - How far is Vang Vieng from Vientiane? Can I do a day trip there and back or will this require a over night stay???

Good things don't come easy, it's a good 4 hours of grueling bus ride away from Vientiane.  But there's nice vip bus with air condition to take, if you don't want to take the scrubby cheap bus.

Vang vieng has become a very popular tourist attraction, that's why you see all the white folks from all over the world hanging out there.  There's this dreamy little town nearby the river where most of the tourist stayed at.  The people there would stayed up all night, walking around and doing what ever.  There's many internet cafes, restuarants, bars there as well....and most of bars and restaurants plays that old sitcom "friends" all day and all night long.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on November 01, 2012, 12:15:28 PM
I dont have Sprint phone service so SIM cards are not an option for me.  Anyone ever traveled to Laos before and know if one may buy a cheap, pay-as-you-go cell phone while you're in Laos?

How much does it cost? Can you recieve calls from the states? etc?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 01, 2012, 01:05:07 PM
I dont have Sprint phone service so SIM cards are not an option for me.  Anyone ever traveled to Laos before and know if one may buy a cheap, pay-as-you-go cell phone while you're in Laos?

How much does it cost? Can you recieve calls from the states? etc?

MenyuamHmoob - Another good topic.

***Cell Phones in Laos***

I sent my cousin my old IPHONE which I hacked and he was able to use. He purchased a Laos' SIM card and it works just fine. If you're a geek like me, you should be able to so the same thing.

On your second question... YES There are PAY AS YOU GO Phones in Laos. Prices range from 150,000 Kip to about 400,000 Kips... 20 to 50 US dollars. In Laos, as I was told, they DO NOT have monthly plans. Everyone is on pay as you go plans and the streets are litter with vendors who will sale you "Phone Cards". The Phone cards starts at 10,000 Kips and up... Calling internation (SEND/RECEIVE to the US) is possible. But keep in mind that the rates are crazy, a 10,000 Kip card will only give you a few minutes, about 5-10 minutes of talk time.

Phones calls from the US to LAOS is possible, depending on your plan and if it has international coverages to Laos. If NOT, you will need to purchase a phone card from your local asian store to call Laos. Prices for these cards range from 5 to 10 dollars and usually has 2-3 hours of talk time.

Calling Laos : 011 856 20 XXXX XXXX (cell/mobile phones) or 011 856 30 XXX XXXX (house phones). *** Please note that cell/mobile numbes are 8 digits and require the "20" code, while house phones only have 7 digits and requires the "30" code.

Hope this helps.



Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on November 01, 2012, 01:20:22 PM
Thanks for all the info Lonely! One more topic...

**Access to CASH MONEY!!!***
I've been told to just carry my stash with me the whole time and just buy a body wallet to keep all my money with me at once.  But common sense tells me I'd be stupid to carry 5k-10k on my body, in a country where i dont know wtf is going on.  Heck i dont dare carry it here in the US where I know what Im doing.

Here's what I'm thinking;

1. Withdraw all the money i will need from my bank and hand it over to one of my trusted family members here in the states.  Only take 2k-3k.  When I need more, call and ask them to send me some through Western Union/Monegram.  (It'll be easy, considering all the OG's send money so easily to their mistresses there, lol. Sorry, couldn't resist, No pun intended).

2. Traveler's Check, although this is known to me super costly!

3. Wire transfer from my Bank, this will also cost a fortune!

What do you guys think?  :-\
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: No regret on November 01, 2012, 01:36:37 PM
have no fear, it just makes it even more exciting to carry 10k around in your stomach pouch. jk ;D
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 01, 2012, 02:00:31 PM
Thanks for all the info Lonely! One more topic...

**Access to CASH MONEY!!!***
I've been told to just carry my stash with me the whole time and just buy a body wallet to keep all my money with me at once.  But common sense tells me I'd be stupid to carry 5k-10k on my body, in a country where i dont know wtf is going on.  Heck i dont dare carry it here in the US where I know what Im doing.

Here's what I'm thinking;

1. Withdraw all the money i will need from my bank and hand it over to one of my trusted family members here in the states.  Only take 2k-3k.  When I need more, call and ask them to send me some through Western Union/Monegram.  (It'll be easy, considering all the OG's send money so easily to their mistresses there, lol. Sorry, couldn't resist, No pun intended).

2. Traveler's Check, although this is known to me super costly!

3. Wire transfer from my Bank, this will also cost a fortune!

What do you guys think?  :-\

MenyuamHmoob - All good topics  today!!

***Money In Laos***

1. Yes, This is possible and you would have to trust the person here with your money. But keep in mind, that this can become costly too... 10 dollars or more per transaction.

2. My cousion who works and lives in Vientiane says that traveler's checks are a hassel. Only a few places in Vientiane will honor them and you can forget about it if you go into the outlying areas.

3. Wire Transfer... again, only good in very few places in Vientiane and can cost a fortune.

Personally, I think a combonation of all the things you listed above is needed. Please keep in mind that the official policy for LAOS (Border Customs) is that you can only legally carry 500.00 USD into the country. Not sure of how strict they are on this point. I plan on taking 2k to 3k on my body... the rest I will leave with my brother. If I should need more, I can always call him to Money Gram them to me. Also NOTE that if you're in the Vientiane area only, there are a number of ATM machines you can use. As with any vacation, just beware of you surrounding and the exchange rate before you use your atm card and to notify your bank before you leave. Banks don't like to see ATM usage out of the US.

At this time, I would advise against Wire Transfers to yourself and avoid Travelers Checks.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 01, 2012, 02:02:13 PM
Menyuamhmoob, do what I do. Stick it inside my bra. hehehe. Btw, my sister and my bil visited thailand and they were able to use their regular cell phone to call home..

Sweet Tears... 3-4k in stuff into  your bra!!!!????? MMMMMMM.... those would be some nice looking tatas!  :) :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on November 01, 2012, 02:42:23 PM
I guess its going to to be a combination of carrying some money with me and having my family send it to me via MoneyGram/Western Union.  Are you sure about the $500 limit you can bring with  you into Laos?  Thats an awful small amount considering you're traveling abroad. I will have to look more into it.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 01, 2012, 03:43:49 PM
I guess its going to to be a combination of carrying some money with me and having my family send it to me via MoneyGram/Western Union.  Are you sure about the $500 limit you can bring with  you into Laos?  Thats an awful small amount considering you're traveling abroad. I will have to look more into it.

http://laos.visahq.com/customs/ (http://laos.visahq.com/customs/)

Here is the official verbage and document on the subject... but Like I said earlier, I am not sure how strict they are in regulating this rule. Funny enough, you can bring 500 cigarettes, 2 bottles of wine, and 1 bottle of liquer ( for me, a bottle of Patron for my cousin). All without import duties.

BTW -When are you leaving???

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: No regret on November 01, 2012, 09:46:29 PM
Wow that's a lot of spend money (15k) to waste and throw away over there.
That's why no matter what, Laos isn't going to stop tourism...they be like, please work hard, save your money and bring lots of it to us in just a few weeks. :D
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on November 02, 2012, 08:15:52 AM
@Real_Man...thanks for the manly advice. lol.  But I'm not sure if i would want to carry 15k with me in a third world country like Laos.  Heck, anyone can rob you and that'd be the end of the story.  BTW, 40 Cond.ms? Wow!!! What a beast!!! lol.

@HmongLonelyGuy, We're leaving around Mid-November. PM myself and we can maybe meet up in Laos somewhere.  :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 02, 2012, 09:04:36 AM
***Stay on track***

Interesting how this Thread has gone downhill... All, please keep this clean. I started this thread in hopes of really helping those like me that have a geniune interest in Laos culture. Please start another thread, if you so desire.

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 02, 2012, 10:43:58 AM
Dude..I know who you is..now.   I saw you  in a 3 piece suit on a hot azzed day with dark glasses  8) and carrying a metallic suit case, at the New Year.  I had great admiration, everybody thought you was someone very important!  O0 O0   j/k...no, seriously  ;)


anyways..Laos & Thailand...the best times of anyone's life if they ever get to go.  Next year's plans are in place..taking my mom to re-do her trek, while escaping mortars and capture during the flee from Laos to Thailand.  Of course this time..I will be the one carrying her and without the dangers. 

Enjoy!

Mr. President-

What an awesome thing to do for your mother... I envy you! As a kid, my parents used to tell us kids stories of how they escaped from Laos into Thailand. But to actually go back and retrace her steps, to walk every trail they walked on, to see every river they crossed and to rest under every tree they slept near. That's awesome. WOW!

Please keep a log and let us know how it goes...
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: focker on November 02, 2012, 11:09:06 AM
Didn't see this thread until now...I will be in Laos, LAV52 area Nov 4 to Nov 22.  Those that are going around the same time, maybe we can meet up for a 'tea date'?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SummerBerry on November 02, 2012, 01:09:10 PM
Didn't see this thread until now...I will be in Laos, LAV52 area Nov 4 to Nov 22.  Those that are going around the same time, maybe we can meet up for a 'tea date'?

Today is the 2nd already and you're leaving on the 4th.  Could have told me earlier and maybe I can have my only uncle (my mom only sibling/brother) in Lav52 buy me some stuffs and you can bring it to back to me.  Have fun and take some picture and share later when you come back and be on the safe side and don't do anything stupid/regretful over there.........

Mr. President-

What an awesome thing to do for your mother... I envy you! As a kid, my parents used to tell us kids stories of how they escaped from Laos into Thailand. But to actually go back and retrace her steps, to walk every trail they walked on, to see every river they crossed and to rest under every tree they slept near. That's awesome. WOW!

Please keep a log and let us know how it goes...

My  husband if he ever go to Laos it just to retrace his life back in Saraboury too.  He saw a video during New Year at one of the booth and someone went to that same place where he grew up and from the look of everything with no houses, just plain dirt road, etc.  My husband can still recalled everything that was along those road, area, etc.  I told him you must be older than you are to recalled such good details of everything in that video even though the video just captured empty area.........
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 02, 2012, 03:17:13 PM

It would be great but as we know it, the country has changed a lot since we've arrived her in the USA. There might still only be a few houses that is standing. It would be much different if you were to traveled to some secluded place (part of the laos) where it has not become city like.. like in the npa naw area (Sorry, I hope I spell this right)..hahaha.
 
I know that when our cousins went back to Laos and took some videos. Some of the places still standing. My parents were able to still recognize their old garden. Some trails are still there but pretty much everything has changed within the 30 years.

That would be funny Sweet Tears.... I am sure alot has changed in 30 years... Like "Oh Crap... see that house and kitchen there, my son,  WELL, that used to be where our bathroom stood, I remember taking dumps there!" :2funny:
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 02, 2012, 03:19:17 PM
Didn't see this thread until now...I will be in Laos, LAV52 area Nov 4 to Nov 22.  Those that are going around the same time, maybe we can meet up for a 'tea date'?

Unfortunately. .. I will not be there til the beginning of December... Sorry bud, next time. Have a safe trip.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SummerBerry on November 02, 2012, 05:47:38 PM

Only if you remembered the landscape. Otherwise, you will never be able to find your old house. LOL But the old folks.. they do not know the roadmap, instead... they remembered..th ings like "Our house used to be by this one big tree next to some papaya".. LOL I can't believe you... hahahaha.... talking about dump.  :2funny:

The movie we have that my husband point out everything.... ..the landscape is the same but just missing houses, vendor booth, etc. but he can still picture everything.  So unless someone can still picture the same landscape they will remember a little of everything. 

At least you know where you was born or area your parent live.......... ...I don't even know about myself at all.  I do know that my mom always refer us to the Hmong in Xieng Khoung???  Were more known as Hmong Xeev..........
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SummerBerry on November 02, 2012, 05:56:26 PM
Unfortunately... I will not be there til the beginning of December... Sorry bud, next time. Have a safe trip.

I just heard my bil is going again this year and just purchase his ticket but my husband forgot to asked him what date he's leaving.  His wife told me that if he go again this time she is going to officially leave him but we'll see if she really does have the gut to do it because no one can get through him.  Last year when he took off she move out and got a place of her own for almost 4-6 months and came back to live with him again and now this again......... My sil said he'll be on the phone with girl in Laos and will only speak the White dialect for hours.  I told my husband if his brother screw up then forget him because in the future if there is ever anything he need help or whatever he can forget about us and that my husband better just tell him to asked his other friends who are in the same situation as him for help.......... ..  I don't know why my bil is doing this to my sil.  He never was the one to tell her to leave or move out on her own she did it and came back on her own will.........s o.........
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 03, 2012, 01:30:32 AM
I just heard my bil is going again this year and just purchase his ticket but my husband forgot to asked him what date he's leaving.  His wife told me that if he go again this time she is going to officially leave him but we'll see if she really does have the gut to do it because no one can get through him.  Last year when he took off she move out and got a place of her own for almost 4-6 months and came back to live with him again and now this again......... My sil said he'll be on the phone with girl in Laos and will only speak the White dialect for hours.  I told my husband if his brother screw up then forget him because in the future if there is ever anything he need help or whatever he can forget about us and that my husband better just tell him to asked his other friends who are in the same situation as him for help.......... ..  I don't know why my bil is doing this to my sil.  He never was the one to tell her to leave or move out on her own she did it and came back on her own will.........s o.........

once your husband starts going off to Loas with or without your permission you might as well file for divorce, unless you don't mind him treating you like a dirt bag.  It's even worst if he goes there to have sex with the prostitutes and then comes back and sleeps with you again.

i know of many guys who does this to their wives and I feel very sorri for their wives for taking it.  I hope i don't do the same to my wife too later on in life. :)

and som of theses women r smart people,,,but i think theyre afraid of divorce n being alone or wat ever so they jus put up n stayed on.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SummerBerry on November 04, 2012, 12:19:29 AM
once your husband starts going off to Loas with or without your permission you might as well file for divorce, unless you don't mind him treating you like a dirt bag.  It's even worst if he goes there to have sex with the prostitutes and then comes back and sleeps with you again.

i know of many guys who does this to their wives and I feel very sorri for their wives for taking it.  I hope i don't do the same to my wife too later on in life. :)

and som of theses women r smart people,,,but i think theyre afraid of divorce n being alone or wat ever so they jus put up n stayed on.

True some of them are just afraid to leave.  It take a lot of gut to get up and leave without looking back.  My sil is a good person but her husband is all about Thailand and Laos.  Went to Thailand 2x and Laos last year and Laos again this month.  The 1st time he went to Thailand she just bought a ticket and went at the last minute. Trip was suppose to be 1 month but they came back in 2 1\2 weeks.  Just said it was boring.  The following year he had to make sure to go alone.  They been  having problem but he just don't tell her to leave but more like the door is open.

My husband is very different and he doesn't care about Thailand or Laos as a vacation.  If he ever go then it just to see his birthplace and retraced his life in Laos.  My husband did go to Thailand for 1 week with his oldest brother but only stay in Bangkok.  I was not happy with him going but at the same time I couldn't haha about it because my bil need his help with paperwork to bring his young bride home.  My bil paid for the plane ticket.  Everyone would say I'm evil for accusing or talking nonsense to my husband if it did happen.  I just left it alone and no matter what he shared about the trip, people he met, etc.........I just ignore it.

I know many who has good wife or husband but they screw up.  One cousin of my husband his wife divorce him.  He found a new wife in Laos.  He want my husband to help bring his wife here.  I won't let my husband ever put himself in that situation otherwise I would said he support what they are doing.  That cousin even said that at the end if he can't bring her then he want my husband to do it and said she's his fiance.  I was not there when he said those words otherwise I will tell him I'm not happy at all for him disrespecting me like that..........  He hasn't contact us lately about his situation otherwise I will tell him straight out about how I feel and that he's not going to bother my husband cosigning..... ....  This cousin when his wife divorce him.  They had 30k but he won't give her 10k.  He got all the money.  When he was talking to us he said he spend 20k in Laos already and have nothing left.  No job so that why he want my husband help.  My oldest bil that my husband help cosign......He spend 20k too.  His Thailand wife is so evil that there are time he bring up how much he wasted on her.  He got himself in the mess and no one drag him there.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 04, 2012, 01:35:27 AM
True some of them are just afraid to leave.  It take a lot of gut to get up and leave without looking back.  My sil is a good person but her husband is all about Thailand and Laos.  Went to Thailand 2x and Laos last year and Laos again this month.  The 1st time he went to Thailand she just bought a ticket and went at the last minute. Trip was suppose to be 1 month but they came back in 2 1\2 weeks.  Just said it was boring.  The following year he had to make sure to go alone.  They been  having problem but he just don't tell her to leave but more like the door is open.

My husband is very different and he doesn't care about Thailand or Laos as a vacation.  If he ever go then it just to see his birthplace and retraced his life in Laos.  My husband did go to Thailand for 1 week with his oldest brother but only stay in Bangkok.  I was not happy with him going but at the same time I couldn't haha about it because my bil need his help with paperwork to bring his young bride home.  My bil paid for the plane ticket.  Everyone would say I'm evil for accusing or talking nonsense to my husband if it did happen.  I just left it alone and no matter what he shared about the trip, people he met, etc.........I just ignore it.

I know many who has good wife or husband but they screw up.  One cousin of my husband his wife divorce him.  He found a new wife in Laos.  He want my husband to help bring his wife here.  I won't let my husband ever put himself in that situation otherwise I would said he support what they are doing.  That cousin even said that at the end if he can't bring her then he want my husband to do it and said she's his fiance.  I was not there when he said those words otherwise I will tell him I'm not happy at all for him disrespecting me like that..........  He hasn't contact us lately about his situation otherwise I will tell him straight out about how I feel and that he's not going to bother my husband cosigning..... ....  This cousin when his wife divorce him.  They had 30k but he won't give her 10k.  He got all the money.  When he was talking to us he said he spend 20k in Laos already and have nothing left.  No job so that why he want my husband help.  My oldest bil that my husband help cosign......He spend 20k too.  His Thailand wife is so evil that there are time he bring up how much he wasted on her.  He got himself in the mess and no one drag him there.

Tell your husband to never support these idiots to bring their wives/fiancee's over here, unless it's really for a good reason.  The reasons you mentioned are fukk up and wrong reasons, let them deal with it themselves.

It gets very out of control for these married men to get involved with girls from over there.  It's no different to getting involved with drugs...girls over there are young/pretty and will treat them very very nice especially over the phone.  what 40 or 50 or even 60 year old guys can refuse that?

Truth is most of the girls there don't even like these married old man, they just sucked it up for a better life and to get money.  From what i've heard personally from some girls over there, these old farts over here sends them a lot of money, not 40 or 50 bucks but a couple of hundreds at a time becus these old farts what to impress the girls and don't want them disappointed.. .I guess we can also conclude they are desperate for these younger girls.  95% of these girls  from over there will never see that kind of money in a whole year.  Folks living in vientaine and working 9 to 5 decent paying jobs only earn up to 1 hundred dollars in a month.

If you support a person's wrong doing then you're not much better than them. ;)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 04, 2012, 01:55:01 AM
these married men and old farts going oversea are crazy and out of their minds, don't support them let them take care of their own stupidity.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 04, 2012, 10:47:27 AM
Tell your husband to never support these idiots to bring their wives/fiancee's over here, unless it's really for a good reason.  The reasons you mentioned are fukk up and wrong reasons, let them deal with it themselves.

It gets very out of control for these married men to get involved with girls from over there.  It's no different to getting involved with drugs...girls over there are young/pretty and will treat them very very nice especially over the phone.  what 40 or 50 or even 60 year old guys can refuse that?

Truth is most of the girls there don't even like these married old man, they just sucked it up for a better life and to get money.  From what i've heard personally from some girls over there, these old farts over here sends them a lot of money, not 40 or 50 bucks but a couple of hundreds at a time becus these old farts what to impress the girls and don't want them disappointed.. .I guess we can also conclude they are desperate for these younger girls.  95% of these girls  from over there will never see that kind of money in a whole year.  Folks living in vientaine and working 9 to 5 decent paying jobs only earn up to hundred bucks in a month.

If you support a person's wrong doing then you're not much better than them. ;)

All,

I don’t mean to be unsympathetic to your cause and I would be lying if I say I have not heard of these problems before…

But this is much more than a “Laos” issue; this is a universal issue with cheating husbands and wives. To say Laos is to be blamed for everything would be wrong and untrue. If your husband or your wife is going to cheat… he or she will cheat on you, no matter which country or economic situation they are in. Bad people will do bad things. To drive down a point, it’s like blaming guns for killing people. NO, guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Yes, it is true that guns make it much easier to kill, but the point is people will do what they want to do.

If these people are willing to cheat on you if they vacation in Laos or Thailand, what makes you think they have NOT cheated on you here? What’s going to stop them from cheating altogether? My guess is that prior to going to Laos or Thailand, he/she already has it in his or her mind to do these things.

I see Laos for what it is; a place where I was born and where my parents grew up. I see Laos as a country with a rich and beautiful culture, as with many southeast asian countries; I see rice patties, hiking trails, street markets, street vendors, forgotten relatives, dirt roads and breath taking hillsides.

I have always been a half-glass full type of person… and to generalize Laos in such a negative view would be a dishonor to yourself. You would have missed out on too much beauty and culture.

With this said, can everyone please stay on track. This thread is really for those who are interested in going to Laos for cultural and historical purposes… to enjoy the land, it’s culture, to reconnect with forgotten relatives, see what it means when people say “that’s how we used to live” and nothing more. Again, please contribute but please stay on track.

Thank you,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SummerBerry on November 04, 2012, 11:56:00 AM
Tell your husband to never support these idiots to bring their wives/fiancee's over here, unless it's really for a good reason.  The reasons you mentioned are fukk up and wrong reasons, let them deal with it themselves.

It gets very out of control for these married men to get involved with girls from over there.  It's no different to getting involved with drugs...girls over there are young/pretty and will treat them very very nice especially over the phone.  what 40 or 50 or even 60 year old guys can refuse that?

Truth is most of the girls there don't even like these married old man, they just sucked it up for a better life and to get money.  From what i've heard personally from some girls over there, these old farts over here sends them a lot of money, not 40 or 50 bucks but a couple of hundreds at a time becus these old farts what to impress the girls and don't want them disappointed.. .I guess we can also conclude they are desperate for these younger girls.  95% of these girls  from over there will never see that kind of money in a whole year.  Folks living in vientaine and working 9 to 5 decent paying jobs only earn up to hundred bucks in a month.

If you support a person's wrong doing then you're not much better than them. ;)

My bil that went is going back to Laos this month.  He made fun of those other cousins that went there and already got wife but none of the wife came is here yet.  When he was telling us how dumb they are and everything.  I almost wanted to tell him.......he's no better than them because he's doing the same.  My sil was telling me how he would be on the phone trying to be another person when in the US he's nothing special.  He would be on the phone with them for hours speaking the White dialect when were all Green.

True....... I don't support anyone in this situation help bringing their lover to the US.  They need to do it on their own.  For my oldest bil........it really sound like my husband didn't have a choice but to help because his brother did have a job and everything but his income would not support his 6 kids, him and the new wife so my husband had to cosign but at the same time my bil is kind of illiterate so will depend on my husband for every document.  Every piece of document came to our house and not his......my husband pretty much just did everything.  The bil biggest mistake is that he should have just look for someone in the US instead of a young bride.  His divorce is not because of him but his ex-wife screwing a Mev.  Ex-wife took 2 kids while he got 6 of them.  Of course a new young bride is not going to love her stepkids who are just 2-5 year younger than her in age.  She only been here for 7 year and she got problem and drama all the time. 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SummerBerry on November 04, 2012, 12:13:29 PM
these married men and old farts going oversea are crazy and out of their minds, don't support them let them take care of their own stupidity.

Right now were not just talking about those old fart.  We got a lot of them people who are in their early and mid 30's doing the same stuff.  A month ago went to a distant cousin house for their New Year thing.  My husband point out to me that the lady in the black high boot all dress up is a 2nd wife to that guy that was just sitting down talking to us.  I'm like.........  Like my husband said many that married their wife from Thailand and Laos......just the look and appearance there is plenty of them here in the US and no need for those 2 country.  If they find one that is very hot, sexy and pretty then it be a big "Wow" and no disappointment ........ 

All,

I don’t mean to be unsympathetic to your cause and I would be lying if I say I have not heard of these problems before…

But this is much more than a “Laos” issue; this is a universal issue with cheating husbands and wives. To say Laos is to be blamed for everything would be wrong and untrue. If your husband or your wife is going to cheat… he or she will cheat on you, no matter which country or economic situation they are in. Bad people will do bad things. To drive down a point, it’s like blaming guns for killing people. NO, guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Yes, it is true that guns make it much easier to kill, but the point is people will do what they want to do.

If these people are willing to cheat on you if they vacation in Laos or Thailand, what makes you think they have NOT cheated on you here? What’s going to stop them from cheating altogether? My guess is that prior to going to Laos or Thailand, he/she already has it in his or her mind to do these things.

I see Laos for what it is; a place where I was born and where my parents grew up. I see Laos as a country with a rich and beautiful culture, as with many southeast asian countries; I see rice patties, hiking trails, street markets, street vendors, forgotten relatives, dirt roads and breath taking hillsides.

I have always been a half-glass full type of person… and to generalize Laos in such a negative view would be a dishonor to yourself. You would have missed out on too much beauty and culture.

With this said, can everyone please stay on track. This thread is really for those who are interested in going to Laos for cultural and historical purposes… to enjoy the land, it’s culture, to reconnect with forgotten relatives, see what it means when people say “that’s how we used to live” and nothing more. Again, please contribute but please stay on track.

Thank you,

LHG


Sorry your thread is going off topic.  Its very common these day that everyone is traveling to Laos.  I have no problem when they are doing it in a good way but for some...... life is happy back home and better but they just want to seek trouble. 

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 04, 2012, 02:29:59 PM
All,

I don’t mean to be unsympathetic to your cause and I would be lying if I say I have not heard of these problems before…

But this is much more than a “Laos” issue; this is a universal issue with cheating husbands and wives. To say Laos is to be blamed for everything would be wrong and untrue. If your husband or your wife is going to cheat… he or she will cheat on you, no matter which country or economic situation they are in. Bad people will do bad things. To drive down a point, it’s like blaming guns for killing people. NO, guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Yes, it is true that guns make it much easier to kill, but the point is people will do what they want to do.

If these people are willing to cheat on you if they vacation in Laos or Thailand, what makes you think they have NOT cheated on you here? What’s going to stop them from cheating altogether? My guess is that prior to going to Laos or Thailand, he/she already has it in his or her mind to do these things.

I see Laos for what it is; a place where I was born and where my parents grew up. I see Laos as a country with a rich and beautiful culture, as with many southeast asian countries; I see rice patties, hiking trails, street markets, street vendors, forgotten relatives, dirt roads and breath taking hillsides.

I have always been a half-glass full type of person… and to generalize Laos in such a negative view would be a dishonor to yourself. You would have missed out on too much beauty and culture.

With this said, can everyone please stay on track. This thread is really for those who are interested in going to Laos for cultural and historical purposes… to enjoy the land, it’s culture, to reconnect with forgotten relatives, see what it means when people say “that’s how we used to live” and nothing more. Again, please contribute but please stay on track.

Thank you,

LHG

I am not blaming anyone oversea for all these problems.  They are poor over there, if anyone wants to send them money, it's not their fault.

As for those over here that have wives and families already without problems but would seek to ruin their lives by going oversea then let them deal with their own problems and don't help and support them.  Why help out a person who chooses to mess up his life and his family's life.

Now for those who have no issues here at home, like the singles or somebody who have already been divorced, they are free to go and do as they please.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 04, 2012, 02:38:54 PM
Right now were not just talking about those old fart.  We got a lot of them people who are in their early and mid 30's doing the same stuff.  A month ago went to a distant cousin house for their New Year thing.  My husband point out to me that the lady in the black high boot all dress up is a 2nd wife to that guy that was just sitting down talking to us.  I'm like.........  Like my husband said many that married their wife from Thailand and Laos......just the look and appearance there is plenty of them here in the US and no need for those 2 country.  If they find one that is very hot, sexy and pretty then it be a big "Wow" and no disappointment ........ 

Sorry your thread is going off topic.  Its very common these day that everyone is traveling to Laos.  I have no problem when they are doing it in a good way but for some...... life is happy back home and better but they just want to seek trouble.

LIke i said, if a person has good reason or is free to married somebody over there and deserves the help then helping him out is ok.  But not those who are selfish and just chooses to ruin their family's lives over here all becus they just want a young bride.  For those, I would let them take care of their own problem especially if their income doesn't even qualify to bring somebody here, why stick your nose into their corrupted problems.

What ever u do, don't let your husband petition to be the fiance to help bring somebody's wife here for them, it's a very difficult and stressful process.  The embassy will want proof of them having a real genuine relationship, along with photos of them together as lovers, and other things as well.  And worst, whether it works out of not, your husbands name and identity will be on file/ record for good.  If caught for lying, he will be charge with federal crime.

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 04, 2012, 02:51:25 PM
Sorri for taking this threat a bit off topic.

I just want to clarify, Laos is not to blame for anyone's problem, people inflicted problems upon themselves.

If you are just going there for fun and vacation and to see the country, it will be a great and fun trip. O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: cyber_loner on November 05, 2012, 04:12:24 AM
Does anyone have good recommendation s on places to eat authentic Laotion food, in Vientiane and around....

Was watching this cooking show where a Chef went from North Laos to the South and tasted all the many foods on offer however the show did not mention much where the places he ate were located :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 05, 2012, 11:27:42 AM
Does anyone have good recommendation s on places to eat authentic Laotion food, in Vientiane and around....

Was watching this cooking show where a Chef went from North Laos to the South and tasted all the many foods on offer however the show did not mention much where the places he ate were located :)

***Food in Laos***

Good topic for the day...

Dogs... yes, it's true that dogs are eaten in Laos. You may joke about it, you may make comments about it and you may even want to try it yourself. But just know that much of the rumors surrounding dogs are untrue. Firstly, dogs are consider a delicacy in Laos and it is very expensive, so NO, someone is not going to try and slip you some dog and call it something else. Second, dogs are treated as lifestock in Laos and not so much as pets. Please keep an open mind while you're there, many other countries see food differently than you and I.

Street Vendors... I have heard stories of people getting sick after eating "street food" there. As with anything, always be careful of what you eat and where you eat it. If it looks suspcious, leave it alone. If it looks dirty, it is probably dirty. Just use some common sense... but at the same time, don't shy away from tasting all those good eats.

Meat and protein... Yes, it is true that there is very little meat or protein in their diets. Meat, especially fresh meat is very hard to come by and is very expensive. According my cousin, 1 kg of meat (2 lbs) is about 30,000 kip or the equivalent of a person's daily salary. So, think about it, work for a day and you get 1 kg of meat... Not really feasable for the common person. Keep this in mind when you're visiting your cousin and there is no meat on the table. They eat lots of veges and fruits, which is not a bad thing for some of us fat hmong mekas.

Water... As someone mentioned earlier, don't drink well water. Only drink bottle water or water that has been boiled. You will get sick, our body are not built like theirs, our immune systems are weak and we will not be able fight the off any of the pathogens like our relatives there.

Fruits, Veges, Bugs and more... go for it. And please send pics of what you ate or saw! I am looking forward to some deep fried grasshoppers myself!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 05, 2012, 12:04:34 PM

Are you serious? LOL Don't forget to take pix of you eating it. O0 ;D

Tiag tiag mas leej muam!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 05, 2012, 01:23:57 PM
Oh, and don't forget the fresh lychee...Hope they still have it during this time of the year. Gosh, I'm so jealous of you. I wonder if they're having a hmong NY there during the time that you'll be there?

ST -

Oh you bet... lychee, rambutans, mangos, papaya, guavas, jack fruits, pineapples.... not sure what will be in seaon, but you name it and I will eat it. :) It will be a fruit cocktail of epic proportions! I will be like a kid on Christmas morning!

New Years in Phonsavan is Dec. 13, I should make it just in time.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SummerBerry on November 05, 2012, 01:40:02 PM
LIke i said, if a person has good reason or is free to married somebody over there and deserves the help then helping him out is ok.  But not those who are selfish and just chooses to ruin their family's lives over here all becus they just want a young bride.  For those, I would let them take care of their own problem especially if their income doesn't even qualify to bring somebody here, why stick your nose into their corrupted problems.

What ever u do, don't let your husband petition to be the fiance to help bring somebody's wife here for them, it's a very difficult and stressful process.  The embassy will want proof of them having a real genuine relationship, along with photos of them together as lovers, and other things as well.  And worst, whether it works out of not, your husbands name and identity will be on file/ record for good.  If caught for lying, he will be charge with federal crime.



The process for my sil from Thailand.  If you have $$ there is actually step you can skip and make the process faster.  They did that when they were in Thailand and the Thai just took them straight to the Embassy and the next thing you know she came home with them. 

I know my husband is not going to do such stupid thing to help out someone because like he said his cousin had a good wife and what he did is his own faulted.  He want help go find someone else so that why my husband told him to go talk to Lao-Family or agency that help with the process....... ...

My husband does have a brother older than him by 2-3 year that died in Thailand in 94/95.  He left behind a son.  Most people probably heard of his case because at the time there where was still Hmong that they keep referring to White Water village.  He got poisoned by his wife and her side of the people.  His son that he left behind if the birth was taken place in the hospital he would have official document but because he didn't nothing otherwise they might even petition or try to get him to the come to the US.  This brother he is not a proud brother at all for his selfish acting and what he does to end his life.  He even got his Master's degree from UOP but never pick up his degree/certificate.  They won't even released it to my in-laws either.  The wife he married is just a little girl who was probably just 12/13 or just hit puberty.  She cost 9 big silver bars at that time when nowadays it just 3/4. 

Their brother he has a bipolar side to him too.  When he died it make sense with his 9 year time frame that the monk told him he would live the longest.  When his brother went to see the monk about something my husband was away from home attending undergraduate school.  His brother told the monk that something been bothering him.  The monk told him that because their house sit in the way of the dragon and the dragon has no way of moving or getting out.  The monk told him that if he doesn't move out of the house then in 3 year he will died.  If he does then 9 year will be the longest he will ever live..........  He came home and kept convincing his parent to move out of the house to another one.  My in-laws at that time didn't want to move because they said they won't be able to find another house with 5 bedroom that is Housing/Section 8.  Somehow they did move out of the house before the 3 year time frame.  When my bil died in Thailand and everyone look back at the time frame it is closed to that 9 year.  Some Hmong elders even said that if at the time they knew his situation..... ..they would have done jingle bells to reverse it.......... 

Just earlier this year the son turn 18 yo. and somehow got married too.  We all end up paying for the cost of it equal to 3-4 silver bars.  At 1st they agree to half and half but at the end they told us to take full responsibility for it.  We never asked my mil how it went at the end.  This son quit school and all he does is haus yias mam/do drug....  The mother already died some year ago so he was just living with his Yawg and Tais. 

I've been with my husband for 15 year and he never told me the part about his mother seeking the monk until a month ago when we was in Fresno attending a distant relative New Year thing.  OGs was talking here and there about Laos and somehow it just came up that my husband was talking about his brother situation.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 05, 2012, 10:20:52 PM
Regarding bringing somebody over here, there's a waiting period (3 to 4 months) over here in the u.s for your appication to get approve before the application gets send over sea to the embassy there for the next step.  From my understanding bribery might work oversea, but not here in the u.s., it would be serious crime.  Anyway, Im sure oversea money talks so anything can happen.

What about all these stories of people being poison oversea?  Did they really get poison, or just speculations?

People will only want to kill you if you've done something really really aweful to them.  Or your evil spouse want u dead to inherit your money.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SummerBerry on November 06, 2012, 10:57:15 AM
Regarding bringing somebody over here, there's a waiting period (3 to 4 months) over here in the u.s for your appication to get approve before the application gets send over sea to the embassy there for the next step.  From my understanding bribery might work oversea, but not here in the u.s., it would be serious crime.  Anyway, Im sure oversea money talks so anything can happen.

What about all these stories of people being poison oversea?  Did they really get poison, or just speculations?

People will only want to kill you if you've done something really really aweful to them.  Or your evil spouse want u dead to inherit your money.

The case with my bil......he did get poison by his own wife and family/relatives.  When he died the son/child they have together was born not long but still need milk.  My mil still has the generous to send the relatives on their side that was living in that same town some $$ to go buy some milk for my nephew.  The relative took the milk to them and said it was from the grandson grandmother.  They said they didn't want the milk at all so they took it back and called my mil and told her what happen so she told them they can keep the milk for themselves or give it to someone else who need it.  A couple months later they start to bother my in-laws about sending money and help this and that. 

My husband told me the process to ship his brother body back to the US.  If they didn't have that connection with someone they were working with earlier on some kind of lawsuit then maybe it wouldn't even happen at all.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Gawmp on November 06, 2012, 11:48:22 AM
SB so they only wanted his money and for him to make a son for them?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 06, 2012, 12:24:28 PM
The case with my bil......he did get poison by his own wife and family/relatives.  When he died the son/child they have together was born not long but still need milk.  My mil still has the generous to send the relatives on their side that was living in that same town some $$ to go buy some milk for my nephew.  The relative took the milk to them and said it was from the grandson grandmother.  They said they didn't want the milk at all so they took it back and called my mil and told her what happen so she told them they can keep the milk for themselves or give it to someone else who need it.  A couple months later they start to bother my in-laws about sending money and help this and that. 

My husband told me the process to ship his brother body back to the US.  If they didn't have that connection with someone they were working with earlier on some kind of lawsuit then maybe it wouldn't even happen at all.

I'm very curious with all these poisoning cases, so my question is why did they poisoned him? 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Gawmp on November 06, 2012, 12:38:15 PM
I'm very curious with all these poisoning cases, so my question is why did they poisoned him? 

they probably figured out that the dude is a no-gooder and won't be able to bring their daughter to the US, so someone else probably offered to marry their daughter and bring her over (speculating here...  ;D)

The last time I was in Laos visiting my relatives, there was this neighbor who is the relative of a guy that lives in MN. This guy married a gal and brought her in to live with this relative. I asked my uncle to see how long this couple have been married. He said they've been married for about 3 years already. I then asked how come she's still in Laos? Uncle told me that the dude is still working on divorcing his wife in MN, but the wife in MN is not willing to divorce him. So for 3 years he's been married to the new gal and he goes and stay with her 6 months at a time.

I'm thinking this is probably going to lead to him being poisined by her or her family.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 06, 2012, 12:41:37 PM
SB so they only wanted his money and for him to make a son for them?

From my understanding, when somebody wants to you dead, you have really screw them over, or they will inherit a huge chunk of $$$$$$ from your passing away.

Think about it, and ask youself why would you want somebody dead?  It takes a lot for you to want to do somebody in.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 06, 2012, 12:49:38 PM
they probably figured out that the dude is a no-gooder and won't be able to bring their daughter to the US, so someone else probably offered to marry their daughter and bring her over (speculating here...  ;D)

The last time I was in Laos visiting my relatives, there was this neighbor who is the relative of a guy that lives in MN. This guy married a gal and brought her in to live with this relative. I asked my uncle to see how long this couple have been married. He said they've been married for about 3 years already. I then asked how come she's still in Laos? Uncle told me that the dude is still working on divorcing his wife in MN, but the wife in MN is not willing to divorce him. So for 3 years he's been married to the new gal and he goes and stay with her 6 months at a time.

I'm thinking this is probably going to lead to him being poisined by her or her family.

True, some of these OG's can't even get their shitt straighten out here at home and they go and start more shitt over there too.  I think it's pretty messup and irresponsible.  But one things for sure, don't go over there and do what ever you want to them, everyone has feelings and limits.

In the case you're talking about, unless he doesn't treat her good, doesn't care to send her money and also refused to let her go then it might end tragically for him.  But if he's supporting her and treating her good even though he can't bring her here, she should be ok with it.

I have a relative who has a wife here already but went and married his 2nd wife in laos and just decided to leave her there.  However, he treats her good, built her a nice house over there, so her parents are ok with it.  He plans to go retire there eventually, but well see what happens.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Gawmp on November 06, 2012, 01:01:19 PM
You guys need to stop scaring LonelyHmongGuy with your laos stories. :2funny: :2funny:

 ;D well he did want travel tips and this is something that he needs to be aware off too. It doesn't mean that he has to marry someone from there and screw them over for them to do this, but anyone can be poisoned for various reasons. My suggestion to him is to only eat food that are cooked infront of him or at his presence. Only drink drinks that he himself opened.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Gawmp on November 06, 2012, 01:05:59 PM
Did you not read his reason why he wanted to go visit laos? LOL He's not going there to meet any girls. He already have me here in the USA! :2funny: :2funny: O0

 ;D oh yo....ces tu siab rau koj lawm os...he might come back with a gal over there waiting for him. I've heard and know too many guys that said the same thing but came back with a gal over there...lol...

kuv mam li pray for neb kom txhob yog li ntawd.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 06, 2012, 01:07:54 PM
You guys need to stop scaring LonelyHmongGuy with your laos stories. :2funny: :2funny:

He's gonna go there being a stingy azzz and won't even buy anything or give his relatives a dollar; they will make him a special drink said, take this it's very good for you hahaha. ;D

Just kidding. :)

No need to fear, if you go there peacefully nothing is going happen. O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 06, 2012, 01:16:25 PM
;D well he did want travel tips and this is something that he needs to be aware off too. It doesn't mean that he has to marry someone from there and screw them over for them to do this, but anyone can be poisoned for various reasons. My suggestion to him is to only eat food that are cooked infront of him or at his presence. Only drink drinks that he himself opened.

By saying that, you will scare him. ;D

There's nothing to be afraid of, nobody will just want to kill you or poison....just be aware that some street vendor food or un-hygeinic  food can make you sick, so choose your selection of food wisely.  I would recommend getting a Typhio Shot before going there, that's to help your body deal with food over there cus it's not the same as the food here.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 06, 2012, 01:21:11 PM

I don't believe for one minute that he's the type like that. He's pretty generous and has a big heart.  O0

I have an elder lady relative who's in her late 60's.....she is one cheap/stingy person, she went there came back and told us stories of how she only gave 1 dollar to this relative person that she knew over there.  I told my mom to tell her, next time just don't give anything at all, it's better that way then to only give 1 dollar.  The least she could give is around 20 dollars.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 06, 2012, 01:22:56 PM

I don't believe for one minute that he's the type like that. He's pretty generous and has a big heart.  O0

Now you're gonna make him give a lot, let me contact some of relatives over there to go greet and welcome him into their homes. ;D
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 06, 2012, 01:50:11 PM
;D oh yo....ces tu siab rau koj lawm os...he might come back with a gal over there waiting for him. I've heard and know too many guys that said the same thing but came back with a gal over there...lol...

kuv mam li pray for neb kom txhob yog li ntawd.

WOW... thread has gone wild since I last check.

Sweet Tears - Yes, indeed,  I do have you here already. No one dares to cross you!  :knuppel2:

Baddabing - I don't personally know of anyone who was poisoned in Laos or Thailand. I have heard of a couple cases in which their deaths were "suspcious", but nothing more. In those situation, the traveller was by themself and both were females. I do know first hand where someone was beaten up and hurt seriously. He was an older gentlemen who acted like a jerk and was flirting with a girl that already has a Hmong-Lao boyfriend.

So... a couple of things about me since everyone seems to be making accusations. Firstly, I am single, NOT married, legally or otherwise in the Hmong culture. Secondly, I don't have anyone lined up over there and I don't plan on meeting anyone there. I grew up here, educated here and for all purposes, would probably not be going back if my mother did not passed away. As for Laos, I seriously doubt anyone from the US can start a meaningful relationship with someone there over a 3 week period. If you do... better save up for marriage counseling and a good divorce lawyer, because you will need it later.

For the sake of arguement... I am sure most Hmong and Laotian are good people and have only good wishes for those of us that do travel there. On occasion, I am sure there are a few jerks and A*holes who will do things that are not appropriate. But that can be said of anyone and anywhere you go... if you're a jerk who disrespects the local culture, acts like a fool and throws your weight around, YES, bad things will happen to you. It happens here, you have seen it... throw the wrong gang sign or wear the wrong color at New Year and you get shot at. Don't tell me you have not seen this before.

Bottom Line... go with good intentions, go with good will and be respectful, nothing bad will happen to you.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 06, 2012, 02:09:49 PM
By saying that, you will scare him. ;D

There's nothing to be afraid of, nobody will just want to kill you or poison....just be aware that some street vendor food or un-hygeinic  food can make you sick, so choose your selection of food wisely.  I would recommend getting a Typhio Shot before going there, that's to help your body deal with food over there cus it's not the same as the food here.

LOL.... NOT Scared... Yet. Good lead off to our next Topic...

***Medical Exam and Shots for Laos***

According to the Center for Disease Control (CDC) The following Vaccinations are recommended for Laos.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/destinations/laos.htm#vaccines (http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/destinations/laos.htm#vaccines)

Routine  - Recommended if you are not up-to-date with routine shots, such as measles/mumps/rubella (MMR) vaccine, diphtheria/pertussis/tetanus (DPT) vaccine, poliovirus vaccine, etc.
 
Hepatitis A or immune globulin (IG) - Recommended for all unvaccinated people traveling to or working in countries with an intermediate or high level of hepatitis A virus infection (see map) where exposure might occur through food or water. Cases of travel-related hepatitis A can also occur in travelers to developing countries with "standard" tourist itineraries, accommodations, and food consumption behaviors.
 
Hepatitis B -  Recommended for all unvaccinated persons traveling to or working in countries with intermediate to high levels of endemic HBV transmission (see map), especially those who might be exposed to blood or body fluids, have sexual contact with the local population, or be exposed through medical treatment (e.g., for an accident).
 
Typhoid -  Recommended for all unvaccinated people traveling to or working in Southeast Asia, especially if staying with friends or relatives or visiting smaller cities, villages, or rural areas where exposure might occur through food or water.

Japanese encephalitis  - Recommended if you plan to visit rural farming areas and under special circumstances, such as a known outbreak of Japanese encephalitis, see country-specific information.
 
Rabies -  Recommended for travelers spending a lot of time outdoors, especially in rural areas, involved in activities such as bicycling, camping, or hiking. Also recommended for travelers with significant occupational risks (such as veterinarians), for long-term travelers and expatriates living in areas with a significant risk of exposure, and for travelers involved in any activities that might bring them into direct contact with bats, carnivores, and other mammals. Children are considered at higher risk because they tend to play with animals, may receive more severe bites, or may not report bites. 

I had my checkup last week with my doctor... I was told to get the H1N1 flu shot and a booster shot. I have been a good boy and was up to date on everything else.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: NceegVaj on November 09, 2012, 09:02:46 AM
Cool.  My first reaction is to hook up with someone at tojsiab.com and then have them guide you thru your dream vacation !!

On a serious note:

1.  Never respond to people who claims to represent where you bought the ticket from that your $$ is short on the ticket and need to make up there then.

2. Don't try to speak Lao; either English or Hmong.  They will know you are Hmong and rip you off while in Laos.

3.  Stay away from tooooo many cousins.  YOur $5,000 will disappear in no time.

4.  Those young girls and boys; stay way politely (unless you intended to ruin them); Don't victimize them.  they are naive and careless what's right---> $$$ in their eyes.

5.  Watch our for broken promisess

6.  Call me when you there...we miss you in PH board. (okay, maybe not that extreme).

------
First of All, I am not a travel agent and I am not out to offend anyone. Please don't have any preconceived ideas of what I may or may not do while I am over there. This is my first time to Laos and I will be visiting my grandmother on my mother’s side. I am just trying to document the process I am and will be going thru. Follow my thread me if you want and if this helps you too, than my mission was accomplished.

So… to start off, about 5 years ago, after my mother’s death, I had an awakening. Her mortality made me question my life and who I was. In my search for myself, I realize, I needed to reconnect with my family including those relatives still back in Laos. Well, this year I am going to do it… I am going back to Laos, a place I left when I was just 3 years old.
1.  First thing first. I verified I have enough Paid Time Off at work and I have money for this trip.  Have my passport and importantly, it has more than 6 months left before expiration. Checked on PTO, about 300 hours left. Checked on cash on hand, about 4500.00. (Not sure if this will be enough.)

2. Requested time off at work and received approval for 3 weeks in December. Hmong New Years in Phonsavan is Nov. 14, 2012 and in KM52 is Dec. 14, 2012, according to the Hmong calender.

3. Started to look at Airline tickets back to Laos about a month ago. I will be flying from San Francisco (airport code SFO) to Vientiane (airport code VTE). Others codes of interest for Southeast Asia are TPE (Taipei), HAN (Hanoi), BKK (Bangkok), CNX (Chaing Mai), ICN (Seoul) and LPQ (Luang Prabang).
 
Very important note… All of my research seems to suggest that the best prices on international flights to Laos are in the Winter and are made 3-4 months before your travel date. In addition,  you must fly out on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to get the best prices.

Vayama.com and Cheapoair.com are two of the best sites for flights to Laos and Thailand, I am not using a travel agent for my trip. Keep in mind that these prices are cheap, but they ARE NOT transferable or refundable. Please also make sure that you have the correct names when booking... EXACT and CORRECT spellings. Changes are not allow after booking.
 
On August 30, 2012, the best prices for Laos were on Cheapoair.com. Please see attached screen shot. (HELP.... How do I attached PIC?)
932.52 per person. SFO to ICN to HAN to VTE.

Stay tuned for HOTEL updates and Visa preparations.. .

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 09, 2012, 04:22:12 PM
Cool.  My first reaction is to hook up with someone at tojsiab.com and then have them guide you thru your dream vacation !!

On a serious note:

1.  Never respond to people who claims to represent where you bought the ticket from that your $$ is short on the ticket and need to make up there then.

2. Don't try to speak Lao; either English or Hmong.  They will know you are Hmong and rip you off while in Laos.

3.  Stay away from tooooo many cousins.  YOur $5,000 will disappear in no time.

4.  Those young girls and boys; stay way politely (unless you intended to ruin them); Don't victimize them.  they are naive and careless what's right---> $$$ in their eyes.

5.  Watch our for broken promisess

6.  Call me when you there...we miss you in PH board. (okay, maybe not that extreme).

------
First of All, I am not a travel agent and I am not out to offend anyone. Please don't have any preconceived ideas of what I may or may not do while I am over there. This is my first time to Laos and I will be visiting my grandmother on my mother’s side. I am just trying to document the process I am and will be going thru. Follow my thread me if you want and if this helps you too, than my mission was accomplished.

So… to start off, about 5 years ago, after my mother’s death, I had an awakening. Her mortality made me question my life and who I was. In my search for myself, I realize, I needed to reconnect with my family including those relatives still back in Laos. Well, this year I am going to do it… I am going back to Laos, a place I left when I was just 3 years old.
1.  First thing first. I verified I have enough Paid Time Off at work and I have money for this trip.  Have my passport and importantly, it has more than 6 months left before expiration. Checked on PTO, about 300 hours left. Checked on cash on hand, about 4500.00. (Not sure if this will be enough.)

2. Requested time off at work and received approval for 3 weeks in December. Hmong New Years in Phonsavan is Nov. 14, 2012 and in KM52 is Dec. 14, 2012, according to the Hmong calender.

3. Started to look at Airline tickets back to Laos about a month ago. I will be flying from San Francisco (airport code SFO) to Vientiane (airport code VTE). Others codes of interest for Southeast Asia are TPE (Taipei), HAN (Hanoi), BKK (Bangkok), CNX (Chaing Mai), ICN (Seoul) and LPQ (Luang Prabang).
 
Very important note… All of my research seems to suggest that the best prices on international flights to Laos are in the Winter and are made 3-4 months before your travel date. In addition,  you must fly out on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to get the best prices.

Vayama.com and Cheapoair.com are two of the best sites for flights to Laos and Thailand, I am not using a travel agent for my trip. Keep in mind that these prices are cheap, but they ARE NOT transferable or refundable. Please also make sure that you have the correct names when booking... EXACT and CORRECT spellings. Changes are not allow after booking.
 
On August 30, 2012, the best prices for Laos were on Cheapoair.com. Please see attached screen shot. (HELP.... How do I attached PIC?)
932.52 per person. SFO to ICN to HAN to VTE.

Stay tuned for HOTEL updates and Visa preparations.. .

NceegVaj and Everyone who has been on this Thread...

Thank you so much for all your good advices... I will keep them all with me as I go. All of you guys will be in my thoughts as I travel there... and so all of you will be with me. I am a little scared as the time is approaching fast and I am very nervous... but at the same time, I am very excited.

I will try to keep everyone up to date on where I am and who I am with if and when I get on the net.

I will be leaving in 4 weeks... Still packing and making sure I am under the 50 lbs limit.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 09, 2012, 05:44:13 PM
Let me add, it's best to try to blend in as a local there and don't act like you're a tourist because folks there will want to rip you off or charge you more for things.  Example something they sell there for a dollar only, they will charge you 2 dollars for it becus they know you're a tourst from another country and have money.

This applies to the girls too, they will treat you extra special, even if you're 60 years old and suffering from crazy foot attack. ;D
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 10, 2012, 12:57:21 PM
Let me add, it's best to try to blend in as a local there and don't act like you're a tourist because folks there will want to rip you off or charge you more for things.  Example something they sell there for a dollar only, they will charge you 2 dollars for it becus they know you're a tourst from another country and have money.

This applies to the girls too, they will treat you extra special, even if you're 60 years old and suffering from crazy foot attack. ;D

Baddabing... LOL

I am only in my late 30s, don't know a single word of Laos, can barely speak Hmong and Single to top it off... does that mean I have an extra large target on my forehead? They must see me coming and are saying... SUCKER!!! LOL.

Seriously, thanks for the advice. I will be carefull over there.

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 10, 2012, 01:29:06 PM
heard of a story, this old guy was all prepared and excited about his trip to laos and to go meet his young lover there.  Unfortunately just as he got off the plane over there, he got the crazy foot attack syndrome and his whole trip was ruin, he couldn't walk anymore.

This other story of two elderly women going there needing wheel chair assistance to make their flight connections, but by the time they get to the airport in Laos, the wheel chair assistants couldn't find them anymore, they were gone.  Turns out their boyfriends were there waiting for them, and they didn't need the wheel chair anymore and quickly ran off with their boyfriends.

What's really funny is these really old (60/70 years old) ladies going there to play and mess around.  And their boyfriends there would be horrified when they actually going there.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 12, 2012, 10:05:22 AM
***Laos Border Customs***

I am hearing a couple of things from people who were recently in Laos...

1. If you carry a laptop, video camera, or electronic device on your person... the "customs guys" will trip to get a bribe off you.

My question is this... is this true? How do you get around it, or possible ways of getting around this corruption? Or is this just part of doing business in Laos?

2. The "courtesy Baggage handlers" will aslo try to get some money off you.

Again, is this true? How much are they asking for? Just Tips? Typically, in the us, Each baggage is 2.00 per bag? Same for Laos?

Please let me know...

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 13, 2012, 07:55:15 PM
Badbagingingingng... you are one extreme traveler! :2funny: :2funny:  I don't think anyone would hire you to be their travel host.

what do you, mean? I htink people would love me as travel guide or advisor, cause I have the inside knowlegde to everything.  Of course some of the things I will only share it with you secretly, like which town has all the really hot girls, which town won't charge you a full 5k for marrying their daughters, etc.  And even which kinds a of girls are only out to scam you for your u.s. dollars. ;D O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 13, 2012, 10:15:47 PM
what do you, mean? I htink people would love me as travel guide or advisor, cause I have the inside knowlegde to everything.  Of course some of the things I will only share it with you secretly, like which town has all the really hot girls, which town won't charge you a full 5k for marrying their daughters, etc.  And even which kind a of girl are only out to scam you for your u.s. dollars. ;D O0


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Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 13, 2012, 10:49:59 PM
It's no joke....I have 3 cousins who got wives from there, 3 friends who went there and got gold digged reallybad, and 3 friends who got beat up over there.

So you see, I've heard enough of their stories and have gain plenty of knowlegdes about Laos.

Ask me any random questions about laos and I will provide you with the answers. :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: cyber_loner on November 15, 2012, 04:43:21 AM
***Laos Border Customs***

I am hearing a couple of things from people who were recently in Laos...

1. If you carry a laptop, video camera, or electronic device on your person... the "customs guys" will trip to get a bribe off you.

My question is this... is this true? How do you get around it, or possible ways of getting around this corruption? Or is this just part of doing business in Laos?

2. The "courtesy Baggage handlers" will aslo try to get some money off you.

Again, is this true? How much are they asking for? Just Tips? Typically, in the us, Each baggage is 2.00 per bag? Same for Laos?

Please let me know...



I heard that too but isn't it just a Hmong American thing? LOL...

My parents have gone to Laos two times and not once have they every "tipped" / "bribed" / "donate" money to the workers at the airport for entry or on departure.  My dads sisters who were from the States all "tipped" because they thought it was the norm to do so???  Generally speaking all "fees/charges" would have been paid at the time you applied for the VISA if you organise it beforehand on entry to Laos or you pay the fee upon application at the airport.

I have vowed NOT to "tip" or "bribe" at the airport as I see this as corrupted and I do not want to promote or encourage this.  I too plan on carrying into the country a lap top, camera and all my little high tech gadgets.  I will let you all know once I get back if I had to succumb to "tipping"
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 15, 2012, 01:00:50 PM
I heard that too but isn't it just a Hmong American thing? LOL...

My parents have gone to Laos two times and not once have they every "tipped" / "bribed" / "donate" money to the workers at the airport for entry or on departure.  My dads sisters who were from the States all "tipped" because they thought it was the norm to do so???  Generally speaking all "fees/charges" would have been paid at the time you applied for the VISA if you organise it beforehand on entry to Laos or you pay the fee upon application at the airport.

I have vowed NOT to "tip" or "bribe" at the airport as I see this as corrupted and I do not want to promote or encourage this.  I too plan on carrying into the country a lap top, camera and all my little high tech gadgets.  I will let you all know once I get back if I had to succumb to "tipping"

Yes, that's the right thing to do, do not tip or give anyone money just so they would hurry up and stamp your passport or what ever.  By doing so you will only corrupt them more into expecting it every time.  Just ignore that idea and pretend like you're not aware of it even if you have to wait a few minutes longer.

Folks who goes there and does that, doesn't realized the consequence of their doing.

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 16, 2012, 12:01:56 AM
*** What to pack for Laos***

Jeans - 3 pairs
T Shirt - 7
Dockers Khakis - 5 pairs
Polo Shirt - 5
Dress Slack - 1 pair
Dress Shirt - 1
Boxers Briefs - 14 pairs
Dress Socks - 7 pairs
Low Cut Socks - 7 pairs
Short Wool Jacket - 1
Hoody SweatShirt - 1
Leather Jacket - 1
Cargo Shorts - 3 pairs
PJ Cotton Short and shirt
Nylon Short and Shirt
Dress Shoe - 1 pair
Nike Running Shoes - 1 pair
Skechers Sneaker - 1 pair
Sandals - 1 pair

2 LED Flashlights, AAA Batteries
24 AAA Batteries
toothbrush, toothpaste
2 bottles of hair mousse
14 Disposable Razor Blades
Shampoo and Body Wash
1 HP Laptop
1 Canon Camera
1 IPOD
2 rolls of toilot paper
1 umbrella
1 Oakley Sunglasses

Anything else I am missing...  :D

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 16, 2012, 08:56:37 AM
Seriously? why do you need to take toilet paper.. plenty of sticks around.. :2funny:   j/k But I'm sure they have toilet paper that you can buy?

ST - I have a very sensitive butt...  :2funny:
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SummerBerry on November 16, 2012, 11:32:33 AM
You can buy a cheap umbrella over there. 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 16, 2012, 03:08:43 PM
*** What to pack for Laos***

Jeans - 3 pairs
T Shirt - 7
Dockers Khakis - 5 pairs
Polo Shirt - 5
Dress Slack - 1 pair
Dress Shirt - 1
Boxers Briefs - 14 pairs
Dress Socks - 7 pairs
Low Cut Socks - 7 pairs
Short Wool Jacket - 1
Hoody SweatShirt - 1
Leather Jacket - 1
Cargo Shorts - 3 pairs
PJ Cotton Short and shirt
Nylon Short and Shirt
Dress Shoe - 1 pair
Nike Running Shoes - 1 pair
Skechers Sneaker - 1 pair
Sandals - 1 pair

2 LED Flashlights, AAA Batteries
24 AAA Batteries
toothbrush, toothpaste
2 bottles of hair mousse
14 Disposable Razor Blades
Shampoo and Body Wash
1 HP Laptop
1 Canon Camera
1 IPOD
2 rolls of toilot paper
1 umbrella
1 Oakley Sunglasses

Anything else I am missing...  :D

 O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 16, 2012, 03:39:21 PM
O0

BADDABING... All I get is a  O0 from you??

Being the expert tourguide that you are, I thought for sure you would have better advice.

BTW - hook me up with one of your Cheap, NON-Gold digging, marriage ready girls in Laos. What do you say? We're good buddies! Right?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 16, 2012, 04:14:20 PM
BADDABING... All I get is a  O0 from you??

Being the expert tourguide that you are, I thought for sure you would have better advice.

BTW - hook me up with one of your Cheap, NON-Gold digging, marriage ready girls in Laos. What do you say? We're good buddies! Right?

i was going add Viagra ;D.... but don't bother if you're not into that stuff and messing around.

About marrying the girls cheap, it's all about negotiation.  You just have to remember that you're the one with power and advantage over them.  You make them play by your game, and not the other way around.

Most folks from here don't think much about it and would pay up to 5k or more for their wives from over there.  Don't play by their rules, play by your rule and make them realized, if they were to let their daughter get married to a guy over there, they will only receive dowry payment of a few hundred dollars - 2 to 3 hundreds the most.  So even just 2k or 3k dowry payment from you is so much already, that's something they will never get unless their daughter is married to U.S. hmong guy.  And besides, you marrying their daughter and bringing her over will give her a better life too.

Only use this tactic against them if you think 5k dowry payment over there is too much.  Tell them take it or leave it, chance are they will take it even if you don't pay the full 5k becus they will never see anything near that amount from a hmong laos guy.  However, if you don't want to be cheap about it, just pay up to 5k.

I personally don't think we U.S. people should have to pay that much over there for dowry.  We should also just pay the same according to the dowry price over there.  Otherwise in truth, we are being mistreated and getting rip off by the people over there.

best advice about the girls over there...if you meet one and sense, she's trouble/ gold digger, don't get involve no matter how hot or pretty she is..  Once you get involved, she'll string you along for the ride and you regret it later.

The difference between gold diggers and none gold diggers over there is, the ones who aren't gold diggers will accept you for what you give or offer them, the gold diggers will not by happy with you unless you spend a lot of money on them.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on November 17, 2012, 07:18:49 PM
these married men and old farts going oversea are crazy and out of their minds, don't support them let them take care of their own stupidity.

they are the stupid ones to think they need to go overseas for young hot chics... guys with game can get young legal chics here!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 18, 2012, 01:53:31 AM
they are the stupid ones to think they need to go overseas for young hot chics... guys with game can get young legal chics here!

The reason many older hmong men want to go over there is becus the girls over there are still pretty tradictional and doesn't really mind age difference.  Whereas over here in the U.S., an 18 year old girl will never to date a 30 year old guy.  Very rare cases will that happen.

Laos is basically a Fantasy Land...you can have a young or old girlfriend, a wild slutty girl, or a very traditional girl.  The choice is up to you that's why so many hmong men are mess up and their lives are all ruined after going over there.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 18, 2012, 02:27:54 AM
Unless you're a corrupted person, Laos is a nice an fun country to go and experience it's culture, people, etc. O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on November 18, 2012, 02:17:05 PM
The reason many older hmong men want to go over there is becus the girls over there are still pretty tradictional and doesn't really mind age difference.  Whereas over here in the U.S., an 18 year old girl will never to date a 30 year old guy.  Very rare cases will that happen.

Laos is basically a Fantasy Land...you can have a young or old girlfriend, a wild slutty girl, or a very traditional girl.  The choice is up to you that's why so many hmong men are mess up and their lives are all ruined after going over there.

oh yo.... tsi muaj game nyob teb chaws no ces av tsij mus nplog teb los mas.....

nyob teb chaws no twb muaj cov ntxhais uas pheem tham cov guys over 30.... but just that they are more picky unlike their sisters in laos  ;D
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 20, 2012, 09:57:45 AM
LHG, with that much stuffs, are you even coming back? ;D

ST -

Funny you should mentioned this... This is not the half of it. With all the gifts for the family, both my bags are full. I am having a really hard time keeping my bags under 50 lbs.

***Packing for Laos***

This is kind of mean for me to say and I am sure most of you aren't like me... but DANG, Once the family in Laos knew I was coming, everyone has been calling and asking for me to bring them stuff. NOT expense stuff, just everyday things like jackets for the kids, digital cameras, batteries, flashlights, towels... the strangest request was for a camping tent.  My point is, all of this stuff takes up a lot of room and weighs alot. I am having a really hard time keeping my bags under the airline regulations.

I have consider shipping the stuff over there... but DANG, that cost alot too. I may have to take some of my stuff out and pack less for myself.

You guys have this issue?


 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 21, 2012, 12:51:08 PM
It can become very stressful because you want to bring them stuffs but then you are limited to only so much bags and pounds. Just pack as much as you can. If you can't bring all of it, maybe tell your relatives that you will send it to them after you get back or buy it for them while you're in Laos. Do they have mall there? LOL
 
LHG, the request for a camping tent is probably for hunting. :D
 
Good luck! O0

ST - From what I have heard, there is a Mall in Vientiane called "Morning Market". It has 3 or 4 stories and have some of the latest electronics, clothes, shoes...etc. There are also plans for another Mall in Vientiane, a huge modern mall that is said to come on line in 2013 sometime.

But right now, as it stands, alot of the things sold at the Morning Market are made in China and are poor quality. Hence, the worst things here in the USA is way better than anything they have.



Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SummerBerry on November 22, 2012, 10:25:22 AM
ST -

Funny you should mentioned this... This is not the half of it. With all the gifts for the family, both my bags are full. I am having a really hard time keeping my bags under 50 lbs.

***Packing for Laos***

This is kind of mean for me to say and I am sure most of you aren't like me... but DANG, Once the family in Laos knew I was coming, everyone has been calling and asking for me to bring them stuff. NOT expense stuff, just everyday things like jackets for the kids, digital cameras, batteries, flashlights, towels... the strangest request was for a camping tent.  My point is, all of this stuff takes up a lot of room and weighs alot. I am having a really hard time keeping my bags under the airline regulations.

I have consider shipping the stuff over there... but DANG, that cost alot too. I may have to take some of my stuff out and pack less for myself.

You guys have this issue?


 

You can do a little shopping over there when it come to those gifts......... I'm sure it is cheaper over there.  I remember when my sister was an exchange student in Thailand.  She went to visit our only uncle (mom's only sibling/brother)........she got one of the daughter a baby doll........ The following year my parents went to visited and she still drag that doll so tightly all ragging in photo.  I told my mom I was going to buy a few and ship it over there but decide if they have it over there they can just go buy it but at the same time you think if you give them $$$ they won't go buy what you use so it is just better to ship it.  I might think about doing it this year for X-Mas to them but then my uncle got 3 wives so imagine how many girls I have to get it for along with the daughter and son who are married....... .kids......... ..
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 24, 2012, 07:24:07 PM
***See you guys in 4 weeks***

Finished packing last night... both bags are a little under 50 lbs each. Hopefully my home scale is somewhat accurate and I don't have to repack once I get to the airport or leave anything behind.

I just wanted to thank everyone for contributing to this blog... of course, some of you were more helpful than others...  ;D. Nonetheless, everything  that has been written will be remember and taken to heart. I will also stay connected, when and if I can get on the internet.

Heading out the door now, talk to you all soon.


Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: sinister357 on November 24, 2012, 09:53:16 PM
Seriously? why do you need to take toilet paper.. plenty of sticks around.. :2funny:   j/k But I'm sure they have toilet paper that you can buy?
yeah..i hear thats what they do over there...they sit in front of the public rest room and charge you by the perforated sections. ;D
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: IB THIAB NEEJ on November 26, 2012, 10:49:28 PM
Good luck dude!   O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 28, 2012, 01:54:30 AM
I made it!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Wooohoooo

14 hours from San Francisco to Korea... Good Food on Korea Airline and we had two meals, Bathrooms were cramp, Leg Room/seats were Ok. Please make a note to bring a larger personal pillow. IPOD worked great, kept me company half way thru my trip before it die. Beautiful stewardesses.

Hanoi Airport... Small, two story, lots of little shops with everything from books, pearls, scrafs, handmand leather and a Burger King. 6 dollar for a Whopper and 10.00 for a combo. I had a bowl of PHO and a Coke for 5.00.Very small with very little meat (2 bite sizes)

Vientiane Airport... Smallest International Airport I have ever seen. Went thru Customs without much difficulty, went down to pick up my luggage and meet my cousins. Weather was perfect, warm and sunny... sweet smell of plumeria was in the air. There was a hint of humidity but very comfortable. Meet my cousins outside and had a cry fest then we rented a taxi, (motorcyle with 3 wheels and 2 bench seats on the back) and went to our hotel. Once at the hotel, we ate the boiled chickens my cousins brought with them. My first taste of Lao food, it was great!

Driving in Vientiane takes nerves, everyone and anyone will cross you and cut in front of you.... EVERYONE uses their horns. Lane changes happen when it happens, and everyone double parks. I thought we're crazy here in the US!

Today, we are resting,  after a visit to the Morning Market. Morning Market has two sections, a "new" and a "flea" market. Both have their appeals and their draw backs. Cheaper prices at the Flea market side.

Internet is extremely slow here... remember the dial up days, yup, that slow!

Tomorrow... Friendship Bride over to Thailand and Buddha Park. Talk to you guys soon!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 28, 2012, 01:55:03 AM
Good luck dude!   O0

Thank you! Having a Great Time, wish you were here!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: NceegVaj on November 28, 2012, 08:59:39 AM
I made it!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Wooohoooo

14 hours from San Francisco to Korea... Good Food on Korea Airline and we had two meals, Bathrooms were cramp, Leg Room/seats were Ok. Please make a note to bring a larger personal pillow. IPOD worked great, kept me company half way thru my trip before it die. Beautiful stewardesses.

Hanoi Airport... Small, two story, lots of little shops with everything from books, pearls, scrafs, handmand leather and a Burger King. 6 dollar for a Whopper and 10.00 for a combo. I had a bowl of PHO and a Coke for 5.00.Very small with very little meat (2 bite sizes)

Vientiane Airport... Smallest International Airport I have ever seen. Went thru Customs without much difficulty, went down to pick up my luggage and meet my cousins. Weather was perfect, warm and sunny... sweet smell of plumeria was in the air. There was a hint of humidity but very comfortable. Meet my cousins outside and had a cry fest then we rented a taxi, (motorcyle with 3 wheels and 2 bench seats on the back) and went to our hotel. Once at the hotel, we ate the boiled chickens my cousins brought with them. My first taste of Lao food, it was great!

Driving in Vientiane takes nerves, everyone and anyone will cross you and cut in front of you.... EVERYONE uses their horns. Lane changes happen when it happens, and everyone double parks. I thought we're crazy here in the US!

Today, we are resting,  after a visit to the Morning Market. Morning Market has two sections, a "new" and a "flea" market. Both have their appeals and their draw backs. Cheaper prices at the Flea market side.

Internet is extremely slow here... remember the dial up days, yup, that slow!

Tomorrow... Friendship Bride over to Thailand and Buddha Park. Talk to you guys soon!

Lonely,

Keep writing...tell us the leeches when you come upon them!!  the beautiful ones too [or handsomes for those who are gay as me]  !!

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on November 28, 2012, 09:07:59 AM
hey that's awesome that you made it there!!   O0  don't forget the pictures!

i remember when my FIL was there a few years ago... he got to his hotel room... he left $400 in his pocket... give his clothes to cleaning lady to go wash for him.... w/o taking out his $$ and he lost $400 just like that. 


someday... when my daughter is ready to settle down... i think i'll ask her to take me to Laos with her.... to look for a vauv of course.... or maybe in China... i'd like to walk on that great wall ppl keep talking about.  hehehe. 


Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 30, 2012, 04:06:58 PM
hey that's awesome that you made it there!!   O0  don't forget the pictures!

i remember when my FIL was there a few years ago... he got to his hotel room... he left $400 in his pocket... give his clothes to cleaning lady to go wash for him.... w/o taking out his $$ and he lost $400 just like that. 


someday... when my daughter is ready to settle down... i think i'll ask her to take me to Laos with her.... to look for a vauv of course.... or maybe in China... i'd like to walk on that great wall ppl keep talking about.  hehehe.

what's the matter, why your daughter need to go to laos to find a husband?  She has no game or what?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 30, 2012, 04:14:44 PM
See it's really fun right?, especially if you're single and just going there for a good time.

No other feelings like it, especially when u first arrive there and seeing all the crazy and hectic traffics.

Laos is the ultimate fun destination. O0   For me, even places like Vegas can't compared to Laos.

Enjoy yourself and have lots of fun. 

I missed Laos, will go again sometime in the future.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on December 01, 2012, 02:19:08 PM
what's the matter, why your daughter need to go to laos to find a husband?  She has no game or what?

 ;D ;D

hey... everyone's doing it!  the men are marrying women from there... why can't my duaghter marry a husband from there? 

daughter's too young to get married right now... maybe in 5-10 years she'll be ready to settle down...  but mean while... why should she just settle for USA men?   :2funny:
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: focker on December 03, 2012, 01:52:20 PM
I got back Nov 23.  Took lots of pics, unfortunately none of girls.  Will have to go back during New Years in the next couple of years.

few random pics...

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/jmsdad/Laos%20nov%202012/LAOS1002.jpg)
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/jmsdad/Laos%20nov%202012/LAOS190.jpg)
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/jmsdad/Laos%20nov%202012/LAOS428.jpg)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on December 06, 2012, 12:43:12 PM
cmon you can take nicer and better pictures than those.

I bet mr. lonelyhmongguy is busy exchanging u.s. dollars and chasing girls right now. ;D
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 08, 2012, 02:54:05 AM
***Greetings from Laos***

Hello to all my PH buddies...

I am still alive! Yahoo. So, to just to update everyone, I have been here for a little a week now.

First 2 nights was spent in Vientiane visting Victory Park, Buhda Park and going to the Friendship Bridge. Vientiane smells with lots of smog and open sewage. An occassion breeze is always welcome. The temperature is still HOT!!!!!!!!!! Humidity is high and you fell like you need a bath every 4 hours. But I love it, I am taking it all in. The Lao people are extremely friendly and only a few understands English. Hand gestures are the way to go here, just point to what you want to eat, where you want to go and what you want to buy.

We left Vientiane for Nong Hai on days 3 and spent the rest of our time in a small town... Puusan. Beautiful country, dotted with lime stone mountains... the rice was just recently harvested. Less traffic and totally lay-back!

Note to everyone... road to Nong Hai is Dusty!!!! Don't wear tennis shoes and don't wear white socks.

I miss everyone every much and hope to post some pics soon. Internet connection here is super slow... so I will take to you guys in a few days.... LGH
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: NceegVaj on December 08, 2012, 09:41:34 PM
***Greetings from Laos***

Hello to all my PH buddies...

I am still alive! Yahoo. So, to just to update everyone, I have been here for a little a week now.

First 2 nights was spent in Vientiane visting Victory Park, Buhda Park and going to the Friendship Bridge. Vientiane smells with lots of smog and open sewage. An occassion breeze is always welcome. The temperature is still HOT!!!!!!!!!! Humidity is high and you fell like you need a bath every 4 hours. But I love it, I am taking it all in. The Lao people are extremely friendly and only a few understands English. Hand gestures are the way to go here, just point to what you want to eat, where you want to go and what you want to buy.

We left Vientiane for Nong Hai on days 3 and spent the rest of our time in a small town... Puusan. Beautiful country, dotted with lime stone mountains... the rice was just recently harvested. Less traffic and totally lay-back!

Note to everyone... road to Nong Hai is Dusty!!!! Don't wear tennis shoes and don't wear white socks.

I miss everyone every much and hope to post some pics soon. Internet connection here is super slow... so I will take to you guys in a few days.... LGH

Ok Honey !! we miss you this MUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUCCCCCC CCCCCCCCCCHHHH HHHH....link up some pics to up !! and yes, the young girls lingering around you?   Feed them well.......... .......oh, where's the new year parties?

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Dok_Champa on December 11, 2012, 04:14:28 PM
I have family in Nong Hai :D :D  They are having their new year soon.. I hope you are able to join them in the celebration.  Have a safe trip..  Enjoy your stay..take in the good, the bad, and the ugly... 

How are the hotels in Laos? Water? Bathroom?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on December 12, 2012, 01:24:35 PM
LAos was great! Saw the very bright side of Laos and the very sad side as well.  Makes you appreciate what we have here in the states a lot more.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on December 13, 2012, 10:10:54 AM
yeah, i will as soon as im done uploading them on my computer.  ;D
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: NceegVaj on December 14, 2012, 02:54:32 PM
LAos was great! Saw the very bright side of Laos and the very sad side as well.  Makes you appreciate what we have here in the states a lot more.

Bright side = young vaginas?

Black side = beggars?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on December 17, 2012, 09:58:16 AM
Bright side = young vaginas?

Black side = beggars?

NceegVaj, its easy for anyone living in the US to generalize and assume things about Laos based on rumors/myths/exaggerations.  Some of the bad things we've heard are true, but over exaggerated. And vice versa.  You'll need to just go to really experience it.  O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: NceegVaj on December 17, 2012, 10:40:18 AM
NceegVaj, its easy for anyone living in the US to generalize and assume things about Laos based on rumors/myths/exaggerations.  Some of the bad things we've heard are true, but over exaggerated. And vice versa.  You'll need to just go to really experience it.  O0

I agree.  We'll have Lonely explain it all when he's back.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 24, 2012, 01:23:27 PM
***Back in the USA***

Wow! What a trip!  :(  and what a let down to be back. Argghhhh, I did not want to leave, they had to drag me back onto the plane for the ride home!

Firstly, thank you all for the well wishes and comments. I did have a good time and took many pictures. I will share them as soon as I download them. I will also have a more detail blog in a few days... but right now, let me just say that my 3 weeks came and went too fast, days felt like minutes and hours felt like seconds... I was so bummed on my last day and did not want to leave.
 
So to recap... after my last blog about being in Nong Hai, we decided to travel up to Luang Prabang and spent 3 days there. From Luang Prabang, we went back down to Xieng Khouang and Phonsavan to start the Hmong New Year celebrations. After 4 days in Phonsavan, it was back down to KM 52 to enjoy the rest of Hmong New Years on an VIP bus.

Everyone jokes about it and we all have heard the stories about Laos... the good, the bad and the ugly. But let me just say that you must really go and decide for yourself. No matter what I or others may say, you must really experience it yourself... each of us is different and everyone will come away with a different view and a different take on how things are.

For me, Laos was beautiful, relaxing, and so peaceful... I can not wait to go back. Every morning started with an early breakfast for the whole family and every night ended with everyone talking and sharing stories around the family fire. Everything would seem a like struggle, especially for those of us who were born or raised in the US...  there were chickens/pigs/ducks to feed, cows to take out to pasture and fetching water from the well. Some families have very little to eat and others still lived in houses with dirt floors. There are no toilets, you squat over a hole in the ground to take a shit and every shower was a cold shower. The beds were hard, your mattress is a thin blamket over a straw mat for those that could afford one. Dirt and dust got on everything, nothing is ever clean. Yet, in spike of all of this, I fell in love with Laos.

I did not mind taking cold showers... after a while, I almost welcome it. There was NO TV and no news of the outside world, yet, life still went on. It was ok that I was not on Facebook and did not make changes to my fantasy football lineup. Life did not end just because I did get that latest stock numbers. After awhile, I did not miss any of the technologies I was so used to. Everyone knows everyone in the village, everyone is a cousin, aunt or uncle regardless of your lastnames. For the first time in my life, I can truly say I understand what my parents meant when they say they miss the "old life" back in Laos.

On my last day and before I step into the security area at Wattay International Airport in Vientiane... tears started to stream down my face. For a country I can barely remember, I did not want to leave. For the new families and friends that I have just met, I did not want to part. And for a way of life I have never had, I wanted more.

A full summary will follow in a few days... Talk to you all soon.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: IB THIAB NEEJ on December 25, 2012, 12:43:03 PM
Glade you enjoyed it. Saying "good-bye" is the hardest part. Especially when everyone is in tears.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on December 26, 2012, 08:34:43 AM
@LonelyHmgGuy, I totally agree with all of what you said about Laos.  However, when you really think about it, places are only fun & exciting when you're visiting or vacationing there.  Once you actually live there and have to go thru all the hardships and struggles, I personally dont think it would be as pleasurable.  If you haven't noticed, everyone there dreams of coming to the United States.  Like yourself, when it came the day we had to leave, a part of me was left in Laos.  But honestly, I can only see myself visiting the country, not living there.

Also, are you telling me that you have no "tham hluas nkauj" stories to tell us? Lol. Based on what i've observed, the ladies there are so much more friendly than the Hmong girls here in the states. I dont know if its an act, but it seems they have a lot more respect for guys. Im thinking this is the MAIN reason why all the guys in the US are going crazy for girls in Laos.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on December 26, 2012, 12:31:47 PM
Sweet Tears, Tham Hluas Nkauj is part of getting to know the culture too right? lol.  Regarding the subject of making money in the country, I dont know the specifics, but from what i saw this is what I saw;

1. Be a high ranking official (political or judicial), make average income & live an above average life
2. Get a higher education and work in a profession which pays an avg. of $100-$300 per month. (very hard to do especially if you cannot afford college, and there's no student loans, etc.)
3. Open up a store and provide goods and services (You'll see that small restaurants & shops selling drinks/ non-perishable goods are everywhere).
4. Be a farmer, grow crops, livestocks and just be happy with the simple things u have.
5. Retire there, with your 401k & Social Security and live off of your $1000-$2000 per month. Thats plenty to get by at the moment. I dont know about the future.  This is my plan!!  ;D O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on December 26, 2012, 01:03:24 PM
yes Mam!!! If all else fails, i will just marry a young wife in Laos and commute between the US & Laos. LMFAO!!!  ;D J/k J/k
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 26, 2012, 01:49:12 PM
@LonelyHmgGuy, I totally agree with all of what you said about Laos.  However, when you really think about it, places are only fun & exciting when you're visiting or vacationing there.  Once you actually live there and have to go thru all the hardships and struggles, I personally dont think it would be as pleasurable.  If you haven't noticed, everyone there dreams of coming to the United States.  Like yourself, when it came the day we had to leave, a part of me was left in Laos.  But honestly, I can only see myself visiting the country, not living there.

Also, are you telling me that you have no "tham hluas nkauj" stories to tell us? Lol. Based on what i've observed, the ladies there are so much more friendly than the Hmong girls here in the states. I dont know if its an act, but it seems they have a lot more respect for guys. Im thinking this is the MAIN reason why all the guys in the US are going crazy for girls in Laos.

@ MenyuamHmoob and others

I was trying to leave this subject as part of a detail report to be published later on... but since you guys are asking, I will touch on the subject of "hluas nkauj" in Laos now.

*** Disclaimer to all. Before I offend anyone, everything I am about to say is solely based on a few weeks of observation, so please don't put too much weight on my opinion ***

Perhaps it is traditions or maybe it is the way they were brought up, the fact is most of the girls in Laos are very friendly. "Friendly" in the sense that everyone suitor who comes calling, regardless of his age or appearance is given the same attention, repect and affection. We can debate all day whether these girls are geniune or if there are hidden agendas to their motives... agreements will vary I am sure. For now, let's leave it alone and take it for what is is... the young girls in Laos freely give attention to those who ask. For most older Hmong men from the US, I can see the attraction of going to Laos. Over there, a 40 year old male can feel like he is 18. Here, huge age differences are a taboo and there are laws to restrict such differences. Over there, it is common practice for a 16 year old laotian female to marry a 32 year old laotian male. You do that here and chances are, you will end up in jail.

Not to justify what these girls are doing is right or wrong... but just an observation on my part. In Laos, 10-12 year old girls are already expected to care for the household... they are responsible for tasks like cleaning, washing, cooking, babysitting and helping with rice farming duties. It is common for a 16 year old to be married and 18 year olds are consider old maids. Mentally, the girls in Laos mature much faster than girls of the same age in the US, I would say 14-16 years there are more like 20-22 year olds here. So a condition exists that if you have the choice to leave a life of poverty, would you? Given a choice to live a hard life of back breaking work or a chance to see new places, do new things and to help your immediate family, I think most of us would gladly take the path of least resistance.

So... what does all of this mean and how does it affect me personally? More importantly, would you believe me if I told you how I really feel? For me, there is not enough of me that is interested in the girls in Laos. I want more than a trophy sitting at home. I want depth and intelligent, I want someone who can match ideas with me... someone who can say yes or no and have the reasons to back them up. Yes, it would be fun in the bedroom... for awhile. But not everything happens in the bedroom and what happens when you're not in bed? Life is short, choose wisely.

LHG
 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on December 26, 2012, 02:37:08 PM
@LonelyHmongGuy...very well said brother!! Its funny you should mention Hluas Nkauj Hmoob Nplog and Hluas Nkauj Hmoob USA in the same sentence.  If you haven't noticed, that will make a lot of PH female's blood boil. LOL!!! Like you said, the attention, respect and friendliness you recieve from hluas nkauj hmoob Nplog is astronomical compared to hluas nkauj hmoob USA.  Most of them have probably got their own agenda, but don't we all have one in our search for a partner in life?  I got to say that i am mostly impressed with not just how these girls carry themselves around myself, but also with their parents, relatives and peers (old & young).

You're right to say that you'd prefer depth and intelligence, and someone who can match ideas with you...but sometimes that turns out to be a double sided dagger.  I'm not trying to say its a bad thing, but I believe what matters is someone who can provide you with unconditional love and genuinely commited to the betterment of both of your lives.

BTW, i didnt get to stay until the new years and truly regret it...maybe i will one day make the trip again.  :-\
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on December 26, 2012, 02:38:26 PM

Nyob haus koj qhov npau sua xwb os.  :2funny:

Es tau ib tug poj niam mos mos nyob nplog teb twb zoo cuag npau suav lawm nes.  Ces nws ham tsi nyob hauv kuv qhov npau suav xwb los mas.... :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 26, 2012, 02:43:19 PM
Sweet Tears, Tham Hluas Nkauj is part of getting to know the culture too right? lol.  Regarding the subject of making money in the country, I dont know the specifics, but from what i saw this is what I saw;

1. Be a high ranking official (political or judicial), make average income & live an above average life
2. Get a higher education and work in a profession which pays an avg. of $100-$300 per month. (very hard to do especially if you cannot afford college, and there's no student loans, etc.)
3. Open up a store and provide goods and services (You'll see that small restaurants & shops selling drinks/ non-perishable goods are everywhere).
4. Be a farmer, grow crops, livestocks and just be happy with the simple things u have.
5. Retire there, with your 401k & Social Security and live off of your $1000-$2000 per month. Thats plenty to get by at the moment. I dont know about the future.  This is my plan!!  ;D O0

MenyuamHmoob

You are correct... I have not given much thought about living in Laos, at least nothing pass my first impressions of being there. Like most things, I am sure once the excitement and the newness runs out, I will feel different about it. Also my current life and living situation is so stressful now that I don't think I can even make an intelligent decision. I want to visit Laos again in a few months and if I still feel the same way as I do now I will look more closely at my options of living there.

I did notice that alot of people wanted to come here... but as you hinted, the grass is not always greener on the other side. Yes, we do have more opportunities here to make money... but at what cost. We're always stressed out about things... our commute to work, losing our jobs, paying bills, and making ends meets. Over there, they don't have very much, but they also don't need very much and have very little stress. Everyday is a life of hard work, but it is all physical... no one shots their boss at work, there is no road rage, and you don't have to worry about making credit payments on time.

I think your 1000 to 2000k estimates for living in Laos is far too conservative. Seriously... my cousin who is a teacher, makes about 100 dollars a month and his family of 4 is doing just fine.

Realistically, if you had a house (10k to 15K), some land for farming (10-15k more) and a vehicle (10-20K more)... you would not need much else. Rice is about 300- 400 a year... utilities are 10-20 dollars a month. I would say you can probably live very comfortably for 300-400 a month, aside from your initial 30-40k investment.

I am hoping to visit Laos again this summer... if I still feel the same way. I will let you know. Between my 403B, the sale of my house and my stocks, I should have enough to move back. HEHEHEHEHEHEHE HEHeee.

LHG

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lilly on December 26, 2012, 03:18:22 PM
LonelyHmgGuy, thanks for sharing your Laos trip experience.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: NceegVaj on December 26, 2012, 07:44:53 PM
@ MenyuamHmoob and others

I was trying to leave this subject as part of a detail report to be published later on... but since you guys are asking, I will touch on the subject of "hluas nkauj" in Laos now.

*** Disclaimer to all. Before I offend anyone, everything I am about to say is solely based on a few weeks of observation, so please don't put too much weight on my opinion ***

Perhaps it is traditions or maybe it is the way they were brought up, the fact is most of the girls in Laos are very friendly. "Friendly" in the sense that everyone suitor who comes calling, regardless of his age or appearance is given the same attention, repect and affection. We can debate all day whether these girls are geniune or if there are hidden agendas to their motives... agreements will vary I am sure. For now, let's leave it alone and take it for what is is... the young girls in Laos freely give attention to those who ask. For most older Hmong men from the US, I can see the attraction of going to Laos. Over there, a 40 year old male can feel like he is 18. Here, huge age differences are a taboo and there are laws to restrict such differences. Over there, it is common practice for a 16 year old laotian female to marry a 32 year old laotian male. You do that here and chances are, you will end up in jail.

Not to justify what these girls are doing is right or wrong... but just an observation on my part. In Laos, 10-12 year old girls are already expected to care for the household... they are responsible for tasks like cleaning, washing, cooking, babysitting and helping with rice farming duties. It is common for a 16 year old to be married and 18 year olds are consider old maids. Mentally, the girls in Laos mature much faster than girls of the same age in the US, I would say 14-16 years there are more like 20-22 year olds here. So a condition exists that if you have the choice to leave a life of poverty, would you? Given a choice to live a hard life of back breaking work or a chance to see new places, do new things and to help your immediate family, I think most of us would gladly take the path of least resistance.

So... what does all of this mean and how does it affect me personally? More importantly, would you believe me if I told you how I really feel? For me, there is not enough of me that is interested in the girls in Laos. I want more than a trophy sitting at home. I want depth and intelligent, I want someone who can match ideas with me... someone who can say yes or no and have the reasons to back them up. Yes, it would be fun in the bedroom... for awhile. But not everything happens in the bedroom and what happens when you're not in bed? Life is short, choose wisely.

LHG
 

Dang Lonely...you nailed it.  I want to marry you!! seriously!! That's what a MAN SHOULD think with his heart and not his dumb head.


Girls in Laos are mature early because of how they are brought up and put through.  It's been like that since my recollection.

Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 27, 2012, 12:21:09 PM
One of my favorite movies is the “Lord of the Rings” trilogy and one of my favorite quotes from that movie is by Gandalf the White… saying good bye to his friends at the end of the movie, it reads: “My work is now finished. Here at last, on the shores of the sea... comes the end of our Fellowship. I will not say do not weep, for not all tears are an evil.”

Well, my time with you all has also come to an end, I started this blog five months ago in hopes of helping others like myself who has never travelled to Laos, but in the end, it was became something more. Ideas and thoughts were exchanged, knowledge and experiences were shared but most importantly, friendships grew from this blog… and for that I am most thankful. This blog turned out to be something more than I could hope to achieve. Thank you all… I will remember you all, always.

To summarize a few of the more important details of this blog:

1. Travel Arrangements – always check with a 2nd or 3rd source before booking.
 
A. Book 3-4 months before your travel dates to get the best prices.
B. Depart on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or Saturday for best prices.
C. CheapoAir.com and Vayama.com for air, Agoda.com for hotels.

2. US Embassy in Laos- Just in case you run into trouble and need help.

US Embassy in Vientiane
Location Laos 19 Rue Bartholonie, That Dam Road, Vientiane, Laos
Hours Mon - Wed: 8:00 am - 12:00 pm  and  1:00 pm - 5:00 pm
Thu - Fri: 8:00 am - 12:00 pm
Contact Info Phone (856-20-2126 7055; 856 20-2126 7089

3. Passports and Visa

A. You must have at least 6 month left on your Passport to enter Laos.
B. Visas for Laos can be done before you enter Laos or upon Entry.

4. Border/Custom/Duties

A. Be prepare to “donate” 20-30 dollars to the customs clerk. He will not hassle you or check your bags, it’s well worth it.

5. What to Pack/Bring

A. Don’t bring anything white, dirt and dust is everywhere.
B. Jeans and heavy clothes are hard to wash by hand.
C. Sandals and shorts are a must, even in winter.
D. Memory and Charger for your cameras/camcorders.

6. Important Dates to Remember

A. New Years for Laos normally November for Phonsavan and December for KM52 and elsewhere. Check for the 1st day of the Lunar month.
B. November to February (Cool and best prices)
C. April to July (Hot and humid)
D. August to October (Rain and Wet)

7. Cash and Spending habits.

A. I ended up spending about 100.00 US dollars a day. Your habits and taste may very, but this is a good number to start with. Please plan accordingly.
B. 797,500 Kips to 100.00 US Dollar exchange rates. Exchange at the Airport for best deals. Small towns/villages are the worst.

8. Food and Drinks

A. Don’t drink public water, bottle water is safer and only cost 2000-3000 kips.
B. Don’t eat street vendor food if you have a sensitive stomach.
C. Fruits are in season all year round, but best in April and May. Enjoy!

9. Transportation in Laos.

A. VIP buses: KM52 to Vientiane (15,000 kips) KM52 to Phonsavan (95,000 kips). KM52 to Nong Hai (50,000 kips).
B. Scooters: 10 dollars per day.
C. Vans/Rental Cars: 40-50 US Dollars per day with driver included.
D. International Driving Permit needed if you plan to drive yourself. Obtain at AAA before you go.

10. Hotels and Lodging

A. Consider staying with relatives, you will enjoy the company and enjoy experience more.
B. 15 to 20 dollars per night, anything more and you’re wasting your money. Remember, this is Laos and you can bargain with them on prices.
C. Hot showers and Western style toilets for those that need it.

11. Areas of interest

A. Vientiane – Capital and most modern city in Laos. Busy streets and night life.
B. KM52 – Large Hmong Community with a Market and hotels. Quite town with very little night life.
C. Nong Hai – Smaill Hmong Community with a Market and hotels. Very distant town with no night life.
D. Vang Vieng – Where the white people hang out. Tourist trap with tubing, drinking, and over priced hotels. Huge night life and party town.
E. Phonsavan – Large Hmong Community with markets and hotels. Plains of Jars is a must. Lay back town with little night life.
F. Luang Prabang – Many temples and waterfalls parks. Great night life and pleasant. A cross between Vientiane and Phonsavan.

Social Issues to consider when you’re in Laos.

Please remember that you are a guest in a foreign communist country, a country that is years behind on social and economic issues. Yes, they are poor, but they are happy. They may not have very much, but they also don’t need very much. Life as they know it goes on without internets, TV shows or Wall Street. Don’t criticize what you don’t know or understand, rather go with an open mind and just enjoy the experience. Please be respectful and be polite in your actions and your words, you’re not in Kansas anymore Toto. Be cautious when spending money, no one likes a showoff, especially when you’re in public places. At the same time, please do support the local economy. Remember that they are making pennies compare to you and I.

Well, that is it for me… I hope that you have enjoyed this journey as much as I did. I hope you have also learned as much as I have. But most importantly, I truly hope I have inspired you to visit Laos as well. I did find myself there and so much more… Life, so it would seem, can happen at a slower pace and still be just as wonderful.  One last advice, please leave any preconceive ideas of what you may heard about Laos or what may or may not happen there… Bad people with bad intentions will do what they want, you can not help them. But if you go, go with an open heart and an open mind and I promise you, you will have the time of your life.

Thank you all and hopefully I will get to check on you guys once in awhile. Maybe when I do go back again, I will start an online journal... But by all means, please keep this blog going and continue to contribute any ideas you may have... the journey should go on without me. Good bye and good luck to all.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on December 27, 2012, 04:54:05 PM
spending 100 bucks a day?  Oh yeah...half of that money is for the girls I know...just kidding. :)

Alright, post up some pics...we want to see.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: couchpotato on December 27, 2012, 10:02:05 PM
@LonelyHmgGuy, I totally agree with all of what you said about Laos.  However, when you really think about it, places are only fun & exciting when you're visiting or vacationing there.  Once you actually live there and have to go thru all the hardships and struggles, I personally dont think it would be as pleasurable.  If you haven't noticed, everyone there dreams of coming to the United States.  Like yourself, when it came the day we had to leave, a part of me was left in Laos.  But honestly, I can only see myself visiting the country, not living there.

Also, are you telling me that you have no "tham hluas nkauj" stories to tell us? Lol. Based on what i've observed, the ladies there are so much more friendly than the Hmong girls here in the states. I dont know if its an act, but it seems they have a lot more respect for guys. Im thinking this is the MAIN reason why all the guys in the US are going crazy for girls in Laos.

It's called you are their meal ticket.  :idiot2:
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on December 28, 2012, 08:18:05 AM
It's called you are their meal ticket.  :idiot2:

Isn't that what every guy is to a lady when trying to find a perfect soulmate? Why do you think a women (USA & LAOS) will always ask about your education, career and financial status/credit background when you first get to know each  other?  ;D ;D O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on December 28, 2012, 12:18:36 PM
Isn't that what every guy is to a lady when trying to find a perfect soulmate? Why do you think a women (USA & LAOS) will always ask about your education, career and financial status/credit background when you first get to know each  other?  ;D ;D O0

Right on, girls there and here are pretty much the same.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on December 28, 2012, 12:24:59 PM
***Back in the USA***

Wow! What a trip!  :(  and what a let down to be back. Argghhhh, I did not want to leave, they had to drag me back onto the plane for the ride home!

Firstly, thank you all for the well wishes and comments. I did have a good time and took many pictures. I will share them as soon as I download them. I will also have a more detail blog in a few days... but right now, let me just say that my 3 weeks came and went too fast, days felt like minutes and hours felt like seconds... I was so bummed on my last day and did not want to leave.
 
So to recap... after my last blog about being in Nong Hai, we decided to travel up to Luang Prabang and spent 3 days there. From Luang Prabang, we went back down to Xieng Khouang and Phonsavan to start the Hmong New Year celebrations. After 4 days in Phonsavan, it was back down to KM 52 to enjoy the rest of Hmong New Years on an VIP bus.

Everyone jokes about it and we all have heard the stories about Laos... the good, the bad and the ugly. But let me just say that you must really go and decide for yourself. No matter what I or others may say, you must really experience it yourself... each of us is different and everyone will come away with a different view and a different take on how things are.

For me, Laos was beautiful, relaxing, and so peaceful... I can not wait to go back. Every morning started with an early breakfast for the whole family and every night ended with everyone talking and sharing stories around the family fire. Everything would seem a like struggle, especially for those of us who were born or raised in the US...  there were chickens/pigs/ducks to feed, cows to take out to pasture and fetching water from the well. Some families have very little to eat and others still lived in houses with dirt floors. There are no toilets, you squat over a hole in the ground to take a shit and every shower was a cold shower. The beds were hard, your mattress is a thin blamket over a straw mat for those that could afford one. Dirt and dust got on everything, nothing is ever clean. Yet, in spike of all of this, I fell in love with Laos.

I did not mind taking cold showers... after a while, I almost welcome it. There was NO TV and no news of the outside world, yet, life still went on. It was ok that I was not on Facebook and did not make changes to my fantasy football lineup. Life did not end just because I did get that latest stock numbers. After awhile, I did not miss any of the technologies I was so used to. Everyone knows everyone in the village, everyone is a cousin, aunt or uncle regardless of your lastnames. For the first time in my life, I can truly say I understand what my parents meant when they say they miss the "old life" back in Laos.

On my last day and before I step into the security area at Wattay International Airport in Vientiane... tears started to stream down my face. For a country I can barely remember, I did not want to leave. For the new families and friends that I have just met, I did not want to part. And for a way of life I have never had, I wanted more.

A full summary will follow in a few days... Talk to you all soon.

LHG

It's a whole new world to experience right?

Someday I'll go there again before I die. O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: NceegVaj on December 28, 2012, 12:49:29 PM

To summarize a few of the more important details of this blog:

1. Travel Arrangements – always check with a 2nd or 3rd source before booking.
 
A. Book 3-4 months before your travel dates to get the best prices.
B. Depart on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or Saturday for best prices.
C. CheapoAir.com and Vayama.com for air, Agoda.com for hotels.

2. US Embassy in Laos- Just in case you run into trouble and need help.

US Embassy in Vientiane
Location Laos 19 Rue Bartholonie, That Dam Road, Vientiane, Laos
Hours Mon - Wed: 8:00 am - 12:00 pm  and  1:00 pm - 5:00 pm
Thu - Fri: 8:00 am - 12:00 pm
Contact Info Phone (856-20-2126 7055; 856 20-2126 7089

3. Passports and Visa

A. You must have at least 6 month left on your Passport to enter Laos.
B. Visas for Laos can be done before you enter Laos or upon Entry.

4. Border/Custom/Duties

A. Be prepare to “donate” 20-30 dollars to the customs clerk. He will not hassle you or check your bags, it’s well worth it.

5. What to Pack/Bring

A. Don’t bring anything white, dirt and dust is everywhere.
B. Jeans and heavy clothes are hard to wash by hand.
C. Sandals and shorts are a must, even in winter.
D. Memory and Charger for your cameras/camcorders.

6. Important Dates to Remember

A. New Years for Laos normally November for Phonsavan and December for KM52 and elsewhere. Check for the 1st day of the Lunar month.
B. November to February (Cool and best prices)
C. April to July (Hot and humid)
D. August to October (Rain and Wet)

7. Cash and Spending habits.

A. I ended up spending about 100.00 US dollars a day. Your habits and taste may very, but this is a good number to start with. Please plan accordingly.
B. 797,500 Kips to 100.00 US Dollar exchange rates. Exchange at the Airport for best deals. Small towns/villages are the worst.

8. Food and Drinks

A. Don’t drink public water, bottle water is safer and only cost 2000-3000 kips.
B. Don’t eat street vendor food if you have a sensitive stomach.
C. Fruits are in season all year round, but best in April and May. Enjoy!

9. Transportation in Laos.

A. VIP buses: KM52 to Vientiane (15,000 kips) KM52 to Phonsavan (95,000 kips). KM52 to Nong Hai (50,000 kips).
B. Scooters: 10 dollars per day.
C. Vans/Rental Cars: 40-50 US Dollars per day with driver included.
D. International Driving Permit needed if you plan to drive yourself. Obtain at AAA before you go.

10. Hotels and Lodging

A. Consider staying with relatives, you will enjoy the company and enjoy experience more.
B. 15 to 20 dollars per night, anything more and you’re wasting your money. Remember, this is Laos and you can bargain with them on prices.
C. Hot showers and Western style toilets for those that need it.

11. Areas of interest

A. Vientiane – Capital and most modern city in Laos. Busy streets and night life.
B. KM52 – Large Hmong Community with a Market and hotels. Quite town with very little night life.
C. Nong Hai – Smaill Hmong Community with a Market and hotels. Very distant town with no night life.
D. Vang Vieng – Where the white people hang out. Tourist trap with tubing, drinking, and over priced hotels. Huge night life and party town.
E. Phonsavan – Large Hmong Community with markets and hotels. Plains of Jars is a must. Lay back town with little night life.
F. Luang Prabang – Many temples and waterfalls parks. Great night life and pleasant. A cross between V............. ....


Bold purple above...

Can you tell us of all the people made thru that check out...how many do you think just hand over $10 to $20 to bribe them?

and... what do you expect the consequences will be?

I hate to do the wrong thing and I am considering waiting for 2 hours for them to search....


Tell more about your opinion on this matter.  Is it really necessary?

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on December 28, 2012, 01:19:43 PM
Bold purple above...

Can you tell us of all the people made thru that check out...how many do you think just hand over $10 to $20 to bribe them?

and... what do you expect the consequences will be?

I hate to do the wrong thing and I am considering waiting for 2 hours for them to search....


Tell more about your opinion on this matter.  Is it really necessary?



I didnt hand over anything once i arrived at the airport.  But had to wait a good 30 minutes for my group to catch up with me in the baggage claim area.  Once i proceeded to exit the airport, the stupid Laos guy asked me to put my bag thru the x-ray system.  Coincidentally, I happen to be carrying a DVD player as a gift to my relatives.  He asked for $20 for it.  I guess it was some kind of import tax & getting hussled.  It was only $20 i was like fu.k it and just paid it and proceeded to exit.

Don't let the guys offering to help you with your bags, cause they will be expecting a tip.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on December 28, 2012, 01:23:13 PM
Right on, girls there and here are pretty much the same.

Yeap!  The girls in laos are looking for a ticket to the US & a better life.  The girls in the US are looking for a shopping spree at the mall & a man who can take her every direction.  ;D :P
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on December 30, 2012, 01:06:30 PM
I don't approve tipping gate people, just rather act stupid about it.  Because if you tip them, they'll start expecting you to do it everytime,  which spells trouble when you or somebody doesn't tip them.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 31, 2012, 10:39:26 AM
Bold purple above...

Can you tell us of all the people made thru that check out...how many do you think just hand over $10 to $20 to bribe them?

and... what do you expect the consequences will be?

I hate to do the wrong thing and I am considering waiting for 2 hours for them to search....


Tell more about your opinion on this matter.  Is it really necessary?

A. Be prepare to “donate” 20-30 dollars to the customs clerk. He will not hassle you or check your bags, it’s well worth it.

@NceegVaj

2 things at the airport that might cost you Money... 1- Custom/Border Agents. 2 - Baggage Handlers.

Customs Agents first. Laos has border agents, like most countries that you will visit, and they are there to make sure that you pay import tax or duties accordingly. Basically, they don't want you to bring in items of value without paying tax on it. It happens here in the US too, when you're on you way back. It's the little form they have you filled out before departing the airplane. The only difference is that in Laos, not everything is defined as taxable and even when it is defined, it is up to the discretion of the border agent.

In a nutshell... they can hold you and will ask you about everything that's in your suitcase... digital cameras, camcorders, memory, cell phones... etc. So, you can sit there and explain everything to him with your official Custom/Border Crossing form... which can take hours and get out without paying a penny (if you're lucky). OR you can pay the customs agent the 20.00 bucks and have him wave you thru... the choose is yours.  For me personally, my time is too valueable and I don't want to be the grain of sand in the engine. I consider the 20.00 dollars part of the price of visiting Laos... Pay the guy the 20.00 bucks and 5 seconds later, you're out the door to your waitng relatives.

In my suitcase, I had 8 digital cameras, 1 IPOD, 1 Camcorder, 1 bottle of Patron, 1 bottle of Jack Daniels, 2 Remote Control Cars. On my body, I was carrying an IPHONE and 1 HP laptop. Again, I could have argue and may have gotten away without pay a penny... but I consider the 20.00 part of the trip and nothing more. Got out in 10 seconds and without a single word. In my book, that is well worth it.

Baggage Handlers... these are the guys who help you with getting your suitcases onto carts so you can wheel them out onto the street, to your waiting relatives or taxi. If you don't want help, just politely say no thanks. If you do need help... 1 - 2 dollars per suitcase is the normal tipping rate. This also happens here in the US, when you check into a hotel room or at the airport, so nothing new to explain here.

@ baddabing

100.00 dollars a day was my average spending budget. I was there 22 days and spent 2000.00 dollars. This included all of my hotel stays, food I ate and transportation . Please keep in mind that I had a personal driver and VAN for 10 days and rented a scooter for another 10 days.

Like I said, you can and will probably spend less if you want... or more. 100.00 was just my experience and having only been there once, it may not be the correct average among all travellers. For the rest of you who is trying to budget your trip... here are some of the averages for what everyday items costs.

Bottle Water - Small (2000 kip), Medium (3000 kip) and large Liter (5000 kip)
Pho - 5000 kip in small towns like Nong Hai and KM 52, 10,000 kip in large cities like Vientiane, Phonsavan and Luang Prabang.
Ready to eat meat - 70,000 kip for 1 Kg of bbq pork. 10,000 - 20,000 for a cooked tilapia and 50,000 to 60,000 kip for a whole chicken.
Fresh meat - 35,000 to 40,000 kip for 1 Kg pork. 40,000 to 60,000 kip for 1 Kg of beef, and 30,000 to 40,000 kips for a live chicken.
Soda -  5000 kip for a can, same for juices.
Beer - 10,000 kip for bottles, 5000 kip per can.
Rice with meat dishes - 15,000 to 25,000 kips is normal.
Street food - Chicken Feet, Chicken Hearts, and Chicken Stomachs are 1,000 kip per BBQ stick. Steam Buns are 4,000 to 8000 kip each. Boiled Corns are 4 for 10,000 kip . Rice cooked in Bamboo are 5000 to 8000 kip each.

I had a plate of fried grasshoppers for 15,000 kip... a plate of deep fried swallows (whole bird with guts) for 50,000. I was too scared to try anything else that was strange.

Current Exchange Rate for Laos... 797500 kip for 100.00 US dollars when I was a the airport last. Rule of thumb for me... 1 dollar is 8000 kips. Good luck and hope this helps everyone...


LHG.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on January 02, 2013, 05:47:41 AM
zoo heev!   O0

a young male relative just came back from living in laos for 2 years with his wife and child.  he could not adjust to life there so he is back... working to get his wife and child here to the states.

since you are going back in 6 months... i would assume you prolly got married there... or engaged.  hehehe.  if that's the case.... congrats.

when my daughters are ready to settle own... i want them to marry hmong laos men... because they paub kevcai more and know hmong culture... and their roles as husbands more then those in US. 

tx for sharing.  may all your endeavors come true. 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on January 02, 2013, 11:54:07 AM
zoo heev!   O0

a young male relative just came back from living in laos for 2 years with his wife and child.  he could not adjust to life there so he is back... working to get his wife and child here to the states.

since you are going back in 6 months... i would assume you prolly got married there... or engaged.  hehehe.  if that's the case.... congrats.

when my daughters are ready to settle own... i want them to marry hmong laos men... because they paub kevcai more and know hmong culture... and their roles as husbands more then those in US. 

tx for sharing.  may all your endeavors come true.

@AOZ

Believe it or not, but I did not get married or engaged. Not yet anyways.... :)

Traveled all over Laos... Vientiane, KM52, Nong Hai, Luang Prabang, Xieng Khuang, and Phonsavan, ate everything I saw and slept in cheap hotels. Met so many new people, related or not and absolutely had the time of my life.

To me... the draw of LAOS was not the girls. To me, there was so much more. There, the pressure of everyday life seemed to melt away. Like I said, they are very poor, an average daily salary is only 5.00 dollars... but most are happy and content in what they do, where they live and how they live. I don't know how else to explain it... but I long for a life without daily commutes and bills. I know it is hard to believe, but unless you're in my shoes and have been there, it is hard to believe.

Just Curious... Logistically speaking, how did your "Relative" go back to Laos and come back? Did he become a Laos citizen again once he went back to Laos? If not, how did he get away with staying in Laos for so long, when the normal visa is only for 45 days? Was he a US citizen when he decided to move back? How did he regain entry back into the US after 2 years?

To be honest, I have given some thoughts to retiring in Laos... nothing serious, just ideas at the moment. I would love to sit down and have a chat with your "relative"

Marrying someone should not be isolated to where they live, it should be based on love, trust, honesty and understanding. "Men" in Laos can be just as bad as the ones here, bad people are born on all continents and all cultures.... my humble opinion.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: maipovci on January 02, 2013, 01:25:08 PM
hey lonelyhmonggyu y, i just got back from laos and i spent the brunt of my time in nong hai. glad you enjoyed your stay. i would have to disagree with you the on behaviors of the girls in laos.

it's no secret that the help of an american can greatly improve the livestyle of one in Laos. i believe that this is the sole reason why these girls in laos are so nice and polite to men.  for the men these girls represent an old ideology of what a hmong woman so embody.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on January 02, 2013, 01:38:38 PM
hey lonelyhmonggyu y, i just got back from laos and i spent the brunt of my time in nong hai. glad you enjoyed your stay. i would have to disagree with you the on behaviors of the girls in laos.

it's no secret that the help of an american can greatly improve the livestyle of one in Laos. i believe that this is the sole reason why these girls in laos are so nice and polite to men.  for the men these girls represent an old ideology of what a hmong woman so embody.

@maivpovci, isn't the sole reason of getting married to one another (in Laos or USA) is to better/improve each other's life?  ;D 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: maipovci on January 02, 2013, 02:24:43 PM
@maivpovci, isn't the sole reason of getting married to one another (in Laos or USA) is to better/improve each other's life?  ;D

no not true.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on January 02, 2013, 02:57:39 PM
hey lonelyhmonggyu y, i just got back from laos and i spent the brunt of my time in nong hai. glad you enjoyed your stay. i would have to disagree with you the on behaviors of the girls in laos.

it's no secret that the help of an american can greatly improve the livestyle of one in Laos. i believe that this is the sole reason why these girls in laos are so nice and polite to men.  for the men these girls represent an old ideology of what a hmong woman so embody.

Hey maipovci

I did enjoyed my brief stay in Nong Hai as I hope you did as well... So, this subject keeps coming up, like a dead horse that everyone just keep beating up on.

Here is MY take on it (based solely on my personal observations) and you can disagree if you want... For a lack of a better word, the girls in Laos are more FRIENDLY... towards men, ALL men, regardless of how old they are, where they are from, how they look or what they do for a living. *** Important to note that I said regardless of WHERE they live... US, LAOS, FRANCE... etc.*** This point will become important in my arguement later.

Short story to prove my point... My cousin and I are walking to the market in KM 52. On our way there, we met his girl friend and some of her friends (None of the girls were over 18). My cousin who is 20 and I who is in my late 30s (a point that will become relavent in a minute) were invited to joined his girlfriend and her friends as they went shopping. After she bought a few items, his girlfriend then invited both my cousin and I back to her house for a visit. When we got back to her house, we were offered a chair to sit on, a glass of water each and some freshly made MOCHI (sorry I don't know the Hmong word for it) with cane syrup... She then offered to cook us some lunch and one of her friends stayed to help. I flirted with my cousin's girlfriend's friend for a bit as they were cooking us lunch. After lunch, said our good byes and we left... as we were leaving, my cousin make a point of telling me that the girl I was talking to already has a boyfriend. I confronted her with this fact, to which she reply with a simple answer. She is not yet married and it would be impolite not to talk with me... in her words, "I am not beautiful enough to brush you off "... or her way of saying, this was how she was taught.

So... you take the same scenario, but you put all the players in a different setting. For a moment, let's say we all were in the USA. I visit my cousin in St. Paul, we go to the mall and on the way we see his girlfriend. I will bet you the whole farm that my cousin and I will get nothing more than a Hi or Hello from his girlfriend. I doubt we would have gotten an invite to join them to go shopping, and I SERIOUSLY doubt we would have gotten an invite back to her house, and I SERIOUSLY DOUBT X 10 we would have gotten a drink or something to snack on... and I SERIOUSLY DOUBT X 10000 we would have gotten a meal from her. And for me... I would not have a chance on earth to talk to my cousin's girlfriend's friend... not in a 1000 years, IF we were in the USA.

So... a long story to prove a small point. But my point is this... the girls in Laos are brought up differently, to be more polite and friendly... AND that was all I am saying, NOTHING more and NOTHING less. Granted, I don't know the true nature of what they intend to do and what their motives are... I don't live inside their minds. But for me, I like to take a person for face value and I tend to trust what they do and say. To sum things up... I still think the girls in Laos are more polite, courteous and friendly towards men and people in general.

Motives aside... it is human nature to improve ourselves, in anyway that we can, regardless of race or culture. So, I would have to agree with MenyuamHmoob.. . I don't think they are just nice and polite only to Men from America.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: maipovci on January 02, 2013, 05:00:53 PM
Hey maipovci

I did enjoyed my brief stay in Nong Hai as I hope you did as well... So, this subject keeps coming up, like a dead horse that everyone just keep beating up on.

Here is MY take on it (based solely on my personal observations) and you can disagree if you want... For a lack of a better word, the girls in Laos are more FRIENDLY... towards men, ALL men, regardless of how old they are, where they are from, how they look or what they do for a living. *** Important to note that I said regardless of WHERE they live... US, LAOS, FRANCE... etc.*** This point will become important in my arguement later.

Short story to prove my point... My cousin and I are walking to the market in KM 52. On our way there, we met his girl friend and some of her friends (None of the girls were over 18). My cousin who is 20 and I who is in my late 30s (a point that will become relavent in a minute) were invited to joined his girlfriend and her friends as they went shopping. After she bought a few items, his girlfriend then invited both my cousin and I back to her house for a visit. When we got back to her house, we were offered a chair to sit on, a glass of water each and some freshing made MOCHI (sorry I don't know the Hmong word for it) with cane syrup... She then offered to cook us some lunch and one of her friends stayed to help. I flirted with my cousin's girlfriend's friend for a bit as they were cooking us lunch. After lunch, said our good byes and we left... as we were leaving, my cousin make a point of telling me that the girl I was talking to already has a boyfriend. I confronted her with this fact, to which she reply with a simple answer. She is not yet married and it would be impolite not to talk with me... in her words, "I am not beautiful enough to brush you off "... or her way of saying, this was how she was taught.

So... you take the same scenario, but you put all the players in a different setting. For a moment, let's say we all were in the USA. I visit my cousin in St. Paul, we go to the mall and on the way we see his girlfriend. I will bet you the whole farm that my cousin and I will get nothing more than a Hi or Hello from his girlfriend. I doubt we would have gotten an invite to join them to go shopping, and I SERIOUSLY doubt we would have gotten an invite back to her house, and I SERIOUSLY DOUBT X 10 we would have gotten a drink or something to snack on... and I SERIOUSLY DOUBT X 10000 we would have gotten a meal from her. And for me... I would not have a chance on earth to talk to my cousin's girlfriend's friend... not in a 1000 years, IF we were in the USA.

So... a long story to prove a small point. But my point is this... the girls in Laos are brought up differently, to be more polite and friendly... AND that was all I am saying, NOTHING more and NOTHING less. Granted, I don't know the true nature of what they intend to do and what their motives are... I don't live inside their minds. But for me, I like to take a person for face value and I tend to trust what they do and say. To sum things up... I still think the girls in Laos are more polite, courteous and friendly towards men and people in general.

Motives aside... it is human nature to improve ourselves, in anyway that we can, regardless of race or culture. So, I would have to agree with MenyuamHmoob.. . I don't think they are just nice and polite only to Men from America.

LHG
there are many factors that come into play. i think that the fact you were from america played a big factor in why these girls were really nice to you. to me that becomes the big elephant in the room. you shouldn't ignore it completely and infact should acknowledge it.

if you were to come to my house for a visit, i would offer you water and if you stayed for more than hour i would make you food even if it were just water and rice. that has always been our hmong tradition, just like boiled chicken and sticky rice for the folks that have come a long way to see you.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on January 02, 2013, 05:20:19 PM
there are many factors that come into play. i think that the fact you were from america played a big factor in why these girls were really nice to you. to me that becomes the big elephant in the room. you shouldn't ignore it completely and infact should acknowledge it.

if you were to come to my house for a visit, i would offer you water and if you stayed for more than hour i would make you food even if it were just water and rice. that has always been our hmong tradition, just like boiled chicken and sticky rice for the folks that have come a long way to see you.

This is where you're WRONG... remember my point ealier. *** Important to note that I said regardless of WHERE they live... US, LAOS, FRANCE... etc.*** This point will become important in my arguement later.

I made this a point  to you as I knew you were going to assume that my treatment was a result of where I came from.... but the fact was that my cousin told all the girls, even his girlfriend, that I was visiting from Thailand, NOT the USA. So... there you have it.

Incidentially. .. of 10 teenage girls in the US, of those, how many would invite her boyfriend and a total stranger to her house and cook them lunch??? Even as you would put it, just water and rice. I would guess the answer is 0.

Respectfully LHG


Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: theking on January 02, 2013, 09:06:03 PM
"Men" in Laos can be just as bad as the ones here, bad people are born on all continents and all cultures.... my humble opinion.

Well put "opinion" there. Having lived in Laos, Thailand, and here, I agree that "bad people" are born on all continents and men in Laos can be just as bad. Even worst there based on my observations due to its patriarchal system. The biggest difference between here and over there is men actually receive real punishments here for their deeds against their women.

I still remembered an incident over there where a young man was berating his wife in public and even physically assaulting her and everyone just mind their own business including my mom. My mom told me not to stare or say anything but I could see the wife cried quietly because there's nothing she could do against him. Over here, that dude would've gotten his ass dragged to jail and due to karma, get his basic human rights violated the same way by Tiny.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on January 03, 2013, 04:46:06 AM
@AOZ

Believe it or not, but I did not get married or engaged. Not yet anyways.... :)

Traveled all over Laos... Vientiane, KM52, Nong Hai, Luang Prabang, Xieng Khuang, and Phonsavan, ate everything I saw and slept in cheap hotels. Met so many new people, related or not and absolutely had the time of my life.

To me... the draw of LAOS was not the girls. To me, there was so much more. There, the pressure of everyday life seemed to melt away. Like I said, they are very poor, an average daily salary is only 5.00 dollars... but most are happy and content in what they do, where they live and how they live. I don't know how else to explain it... but I long for a life without daily commutes and bills. I know it is hard to believe, but unless you're in my shoes and have been there, it is hard to believe.

Just Curious... Logistically speaking, how did your "Relative" go back to Laos and come back? Did he become a Laos citizen again once he went back to Laos? If not, how did he get away with staying in Laos for so long, when the normal visa is only for 45 days? Was he a US citizen when he decided to move back? How did he regain entry back into the US after 2 years?

To be honest, I have given some thoughts to retiring in Laos... nothing serious, just ideas at the moment. I would love to sit down and have a chat with your "relative"

Marrying someone should not be isolated to where they live, it should be based on love, trust, honesty and understanding. "Men" in Laos can be just as bad as the ones here, bad people are born on all continents and all cultures.... my humble opinion.

LHG

So many young men and women come back in love or married...hehe ...  So many mekas n Laos love stories... That I could write a book on it.

You are right ..... Hmong Laos men and women are a breed that hmoob mekas don't make no more.  So we are all attracted to them and how they carry themselves.   Kuv Los ntshaws ib tus Vauv Kws txawj lus hmoob... Paub tua nyuj tua npua.. Paub kab lis kev cai hmoob...  txawj ntse...txawj Nrhiav noj nrhiav haus.

I wont disagree about bad ppl... But men are generally the same in all continents.  What makes hmoob mekas less attractive is their  inability to paub hmoob txujci... Yet they desire a wife who is all of the above.   

I have many young nieces here in the states that paub kev cai hmoob.... Offer drinks.. Invites... Cook for others and hais lus mos lus muas.. Plus highly educated.... I miss them every time they visit me and leave because when they are with me... They cook and clean for me....

As for my guy relative.... He just up and went missing for two years.... Ran out of his money to live in Laos like a king so he is back.  Living a simple life wasn't what he assumed.... His parents here ended up sending him money monthly.  He become txomnyem in Laos.... That's why he is back.... 

Ppl never think about it but one can easily squander money while living there and become broke.   I have another relative who has lands and even a gas station there.... He may be going back to live aka retire there as well.  He been going there twice a year.... Has kids there and wife as well.... Talk about making life complicated for oneself. ;D


Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: NceegVaj on January 03, 2013, 08:23:06 AM
Hey maipovci

I did enjoyed my brief stay in Nong Hai as I hope you did as well... So, this subject keeps coming up, like a dead horse that everyone just keep beating up on.

Here is MY take on it (based solely on my personal observations) and you can disagree if you want... For a lack of a better word, the girls in Laos are more FRIENDLY... towards men, ALL men, regardless of how old they are, where they are from, how they look or what they do for a living. *** Important to note that I said regardless of WHERE they live... US, LAOS, FRANCE... etc.*** This point will become important in my arguement later.

Short story to prove my point... My cousin and I are walking to the market in KM 52. On our way there, we met his girl friend and some of her friends (None of the girls were over 18). My cousin who is 20 and I who is in my late 30s (a point that will become relavent in a minute) were invited to joined his girlfriend and her friends as they went shopping. After she bought a few items, his girlfriend then invited both my cousin and I back to her house for a visit. When we got back to her house, we were offered a chair to sit on, a glass of water each and some freshly made MOCHI (sorry I don't know the Hmong word for it) with cane syrup... She then offered to cook us some lunch and one of her friends stayed to help. I flirted with my cousin's girlfriend's friend for a bit as they were cooking us lunch. After lunch, said our good byes and we left... as we were leaving, my.........

LHG


Lonely and et all...

I agree with you.  In the traditional Hmong custom, Hmong girls in puberty are taught to be polite even when they don't like the person present.  This is call respect and humble.  Hmong has a saying " yus yim zoo nkauj yus yim ua zoo...yog zoo nkauj xwb tsis tau zoo nyab".  I can recall Hmong girls came to this country back in the 80's act like this in the 80's and 90's.  They always keep their door open but if a man is pushing very hard she will eventually tell them "Koj txhob tu siab os cia wb yog nus muag xwb and mam ua phoojywg xwb os".

Fast forward...in this age.  I see and hear bi.tches Hmong girls all over themselves.  They think they are toooo good.  Too individualize mind and toooooo much into themselves.  It is safe to say only 10% are wifey ready.  Most are good for night stand and suc.k cocks.

Thanks! Yes, I'm a biatch.

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on January 03, 2013, 09:23:46 AM
Lonely and et all...

I agree with you.  In the traditional Hmong custom, Hmong girls in puberty are taught to be polite even when they don't like the person present.  This is call respect and humble.  Hmong has a saying " yus yim zoo nkauj yus yim ua zoo...yog zoo nkauj xwb tsis tau zoo nyab".  I can recall Hmong girls came to this country back in the 80's act like this in the 80's and 90's.  They always keep their door open but if a man is pushing very hard she will eventually tell them "Koj txhob tu siab os cia wb yog nus muag xwb and mam ua phoojywg xwb os".

Fast forward...in this age.  I see and hear bi.tches Hmong girls all over themselves.  They think they are toooo good.  Too individualize mind and toooooo much into themselves.  It is safe to say only 10% are wifey ready.  Most are good for night stand and suc.k cocks.

Thanks! Yes, I'm a biatch.


ohyo... hais tau sab cov ntxhais mekas ua luaj li os.... LOLs. 

cov tub teb chaws mekas no los yeej tsi zoo npaum twg lawm thiab... nyob 24/7 tuas game xwb... tsi paub kevcai hmoob... tsi paub dej num hauv vajtse li... tsi paub mus nrhiav hauj lwm...qhov yuav zoo uas yuav pab tau peb tes tub ntxhais xaj maim no  ces... cas peb tej tub tej ntxhais mekas sawvdaws mus yuav hmoob nplog lawm xwb.   O0  O0



Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: maipovci on January 03, 2013, 09:45:27 AM
This is where you're WRONG... remember my point ealier. *** Important to note that I said regardless of WHERE they live... US, LAOS, FRANCE... etc.*** This point will become important in my arguement later.

I made this a point  to you as I knew you were going to assume that my treatment was a result of where I came from.... but the fact was that my cousin told all the girls, even his girlfriend, that I was visiting from Thailand, NOT the USA. So... there you have it.

Incidentially. .. of 10 teenage girls in the US, of those, how many would invite her boyfriend and a total stranger to her house and cook them lunch??? Even as you would put it, just water and rice. I would guess the answer is 0.

Respectfully LHG

lhg, i am in no way trying to pick a fight. i perhaps just have a different perspective. i just see it differently and this is base on my observations and conversation from the last 3 trips to laos.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on January 03, 2013, 09:53:46 AM
just wanna share a story with yall...

over the christmas break... had an oppurtunity to meet a hmong laos girl (a nyab) who recently arrived (for 6 months) living with her hmoob mekas husband and his parents.  by the looks of him... he's prolly in his early 30s and her in her late teens. 

she sat all by herself on the dining table all made up in makeup and clothing... and heels in the house.  her husband was quite the opposite... just tshirt and sweat. 

quite awkward... because she looked very uncomfortable. .. as if she didn't belong there... all the other nyab mekas seemed like they belong in the family but not the nyab hmoob laos... she was sooo formal. 

all that time i was there... never did she even looked at her husband like the other nyabs did theirs.  she did not even sit by her husband or acknowledged him...no smile.. just grinned when referred to.

i also have a niece who came from laos to marry her husband... and this niece... she's very happy... and after one year in USA... she been working and contributing financially since (10 years now). 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on January 03, 2013, 09:55:09 AM
when my mil went to Laos... so many young men tried to woo her... followed her around...  ;D 

she said they were flocking to her... saying the sweetest words she's ever heard... hahaha. 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on January 03, 2013, 10:09:56 AM
@LHG, well put bro.   O0 And I can totally relate to the story you've told.  It's that kindness and generosity that is attractive about the women there.  Not just to Hmong Mekas, but to their parents, siblings and peers.  Some traits that most of the Hmong ladies in Mekas have lost over our time here.  But I have a feeling that @maivpovci has already made up her mind and there will be no changing her opinion.  Like you've said, everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but don't make generalization s and keep an open mind.


@NceegVaj, you hit the nail right on the head.   O0 A lot of the hluas nkauj hmoob mekas was brought up in a society where its all about, ME ME ME and no one else.  I think its important to be independent & successful, taking care and loving oneself first.  But, there's a fine line between that and being completly egocentric.
   
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on January 03, 2013, 10:27:06 AM
@LHG, well put bro.   O0 And I can totally relate to the story you've told.  It's that kindness and generosity that is attractive about the women there.  Not just to Hmong Mekas, but to their parents, siblings and peers.  Some traits that most of the Hmong ladies in Mekas have lost over our time here.  But I have a feeling that @maivpovci has already made up her mind and there will be no changing her opinion.  Like you've said, everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but don't make generalization s and keep an open mind.


@NceegVaj, you hit the nail right on the head.   O0 A lot of the hluas nkauj hmoob mekas was brought up in a society where its all about, ME ME ME and no one else.  I think its important to be independent & successful, taking care and loving oneself first.  But, there's a fine line between that and being completly egocentric.
   

why is it that the blame is put on just the hmoob mekas girls?  we all know hmoob mekas guys cannot compare to those in laos as well regarding paub kevcai... txawj hais lus.. txawj dab qhua... and kev nquag. 

so in conclusion... all hmoob mekas men and women swb hmoob plog lawm not just hmoob mekas women ok. 

kuv los pom zoo kuv cov ntxhais mus yuav hmoob nplog thiab... vim tias vauv hmoob nplog tsi khib oom.. thiab vauv hmoob plog yuav txawj paab/hlub neeb ntsa dua.   ;D
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on January 03, 2013, 11:27:33 AM
why is it that the blame is put on just the hmoob mekas girls?  we all know hmoob mekas guys cannot compare to those in laos as well regarding paub kevcai... txawj hais lus.. txawj dab qhua... and kev nquag. 

so in conclusion... all hmoob mekas men and women swb hmoob plog lawm not just hmoob mekas women ok. 

kuv los pom zoo kuv cov ntxhais mus yuav hmoob nplog thiab... vim tias vauv hmoob nplog tsi khib oom.. thiab vauv hmoob plog yuav txawj paab/hlub neeb ntsa dua.   ;D

@AOZ, I agree with you.  But I didnt intend to say ALL Hmoob Mekas Guys & Girls are like that.  Its just that MOST are like that.  There's still those good ones here in the USA too.  They're just hard to find these days.  :(
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on January 04, 2013, 09:59:06 AM

Believe it or not, some are even on PH.  ;)

I'm not so sure on that..lol
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on January 04, 2013, 10:23:19 AM
LHG, sorry to have turned your thread into a debate about Hmong Girls in Laos vs. USA.  As we know, everytime this topic comes up, its garaunteed to be a heated debate.   :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:  So lets touchbase on some other topics regarding Laos shall we?  ;D

*****FOOD*******

Street Vendors: Almost all street vendors will have the usual stuff.  This includes BBQ chicken, fish, chicken feet, chicken hearts, gizzards, PHO, Kho-Poon, etc.  When you first see the dust and flies roaming around, you cant seem to eat any of it.  But after a few days, you become used to it.  However, eating this stuff, i got tired of it and just couldnt eat the same thing anymore.  5,000-15,000 kip will get you any of the above without any problem.

Cooking Nqaij Nploos @ Relatives  If you're lucky like i am, you have relatives who you can cook and share food with.  Turned out, there were people selling a whole "Nploos" (I dont know the english name for this animal, if one does, let me know) at the Phonsavan Supermarket. This is considered a delicacy among the Hmong people and the meat is very hard to find these days.  I wanted to try it, since it was a dish thats been mentioned/praised by my father, uncles, and every OG i've come across.  Turns out, it was pretty good.  It seems the meat itself, along with the animal's poop has a very bitter taste to it.  This, i believe is the greatest reason for its popularity.  The Nploos itself cost me around $60 USD, herbs, scallons & green onions, etc cost around 20,000-50,000 kip.

Eating Nqaij Aub @ Street Vendors: I dont recommend doing this without first consulting relatives who knows where to go.  It all depends on how the meat is prepared and cooked.  In my case, i had relatives in KM52 and they recommended a local street vendor who specialized in cooking this type of meat.  We had it BBQ & Stewed.  Overall, Nqaij Aub was pretty good.  It has this GOAT/Sheep taste to it. One plate of BBQ/stew Nqaij Aub was around 10,000 kip     

   
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on January 04, 2013, 01:08:02 PM
You know.. I guard this thread with my life! :2funny: :2funny:  So, dont' say anything bad to LHG.

I've never said anything bad to LHG.  You should talk to maivpovci, she's talkin' smack. LMFAO.  :2funny:
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on January 04, 2013, 02:02:30 PM
Some of you need to have some respect for the poster who is posting this thread. He is taking his time in sharing his experiences and knowledge with some of you. If you got nothing good to contribute, than I suggest you do not post in this thread. Thank you.

Yog lawm yog lawm!!!  ;D  *Ahem Ahem* @maivpovci ntag lo!!!  ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on January 04, 2013, 02:38:12 PM
Some of you need to have some respect for the poster who is posting this thread. He is taking his time in sharing his experiences and knowledge with some of you. If you got nothing good to contribute, than I suggest you do not post in this thread. Thank you.

@Sweet Tears...

Thanks for defending me... LOL. I need a good women like you... If I have someone like you all the time, maybe then I can drop the LONELY part off my name.

@Everyone Else... seriously, continue to contribute if you wish, all I ask is that you keep it civil and clean. I enjoy the debates and welcome them... regardless of your point of view and if you agree with me or not.

@MenyuamHmoob...

Food in Laos... Honestly, I did not want to eat, NOT because I did not like the food or because of the conditions with the dusts and flies. I HONESTLY did not want to eat because I did not want to use the bathrooms there. Seriously, I hated everytime I have to take a $hit... the thought of having to squat over that hole, even for a few minutes just hurts too much. I am a big guy, about 165 lbs and squating over a 5 in hole was not very pleasant, painful even!!! Five minutes and my legs go numb and I start to worry, I was afraid I might miss and get $hit all over my shoes or pants. Dam! That would not be good. 

*** For those that have not been to Laos... the toilet is a 5 inch hole on a cement slab. Basically a hole in the ground without a seat to support your butt!. You have to stand over the hole (have a good aim) and squat!*** 

Am I the only one to have this fear of bathrooms in Laos???  I saw some pretty large Hmong Mekas, larger than me and I often wonder how they deal with the bathrooms there? :D fudge!

Ok... so on the issues of eating food. I tried just about everything from fried grasshoppers, deep fried swallows, to rice in cooked in bamboo, papaya salads, bbq pork, bbq chicken, bbq fish, wild boar, steam bums, corns... but I did not try Nqaij Nploos or Nqaij Aub... I think Nqaij Aub is (dog) right? I can't read hmong that well.  My cousin offered to cook Nqaij Nploos for me, but I passed.

I did however eat the fruits and veges (ALL of them)... Lychee, Rambutans, Durians, Jack Fruits, Mangos (green and yellow), papayas, pineapples, sugarcanes, mangosteens, (cow horn) fruit, passion fruit, guavas, oranges and something called the MaKaiTain... very sour fruit. I ate yams, water lillies, all kinds of roots I could not name, weeds we picked from the rice patties and large tree flowers stuff with ground pork.

Seriously... I ate 2 Kg of lychee in one sitting once. Love that stuff and it was so cheap. 15,000 kips for 1 KG or 2 dollars for 2Lbs (1 dollar a pound).

Pho was disappointing. .. not as good as the American version. They also don't have sriracha sauce or hoisin sauce and the broth is not as good... but at 5000 to 10000 kips  or about 1 dollar a bowl, who's going to complain!

Soo... there you have it. Probably more information than what you wanted to know! ;)

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: maipovci on January 06, 2013, 11:11:23 AM
I've never said anything bad to LHG.  You should talk to maivpovci, she's talkin' smack. LMFAO.  :2funny:

wth! lmao.... just different perspective, that's all.

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: blablablablabla on January 09, 2013, 08:09:01 AM
 O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on January 23, 2013, 11:22:47 AM
*** I am going back ***

I miss Laos too much, so I have decided to go back for another visit... this time, to celebrate Lao New Year (Pi Mai).

This time, I will start an online Journal... will let you guys know!

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on January 24, 2013, 11:02:44 AM
Would love to go with you. :-\

TitaniumHeart and all,

Not sure what your situation is (finance and relationship wise)... but we (all of us) really do only live once. This is not to say, you should abandon all common sense with reckless decisions, but do take time off for yourself and your family. Take that vacation... go to Laos. What's stopping you? LOL.

My ex-father in law for example, saved money all his life... to be blunt, he was a really frugal man. He was a hmong shaman and did jingle bell all the time, he would save up all the loose change he got from doing jingle bells to buy cigarettes. The thought of opening his wallet to spend a dollar was horrifying. We bought him new shirts and shoes and he left them in their original packages and never worn them. He never took any trips and never ate out. I doubt he ever traveled pass the borders of California. A few years back, he was diagnosed with liver cancer, I am sure it was because of his smoking... he died 5 months later, just like the doctors predicted.

Rumor surfaced that he had 20,000 dollars saved... which I am sure he had, stuffed under the mattress somewhere. Most of that money I also heard went towards his funeral because he did not have any sons of his own. He lived with his nephew and by all accounts, his nephew loved him, but as you know, it is not the same as his own son.

My point is, this man, who lived a life without ever taking a step away from his front door... never ever got to enjoy life or see the world. This is an extreme case, I will have to admit, but none the less... it proves a point I am trying to make. What good is money, wealth, stuff, material things... if you never enjoyed life??? Ask yourself a few questions... in 20-30 years or just 5 years from now, am I going to have this opportunity again and if so, will I enjoy it as much? I am sure the answer for most of us is a NO.

Sorry if I sound like I am preaching today, don't be offened. The answer is YES,  IF you are single and available, you're welcome to come with me! HEHEHE...

BTW - if you are on the West Coast, Ticket to Vientiane right now for April, May travel is about 900.00, depending on where you shop. Good luck and PM me if you want more details.

LHG

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on January 24, 2013, 02:43:19 PM
LHG...i miss Laos just like you too.  I hear you about living once and being able to enjoy life at this moment.  LIke the saying, You ONly Live Once (YOLO)!!!  And what's the point of saving everything and enjoying it when you're old.  Shoot, i wouldnt know if i'll be able to freakin walk or see by that time.  lol.  But unfortunately, work is going to prevent me from being able to visit until November/December time frame again.  If you do visit, share your experienced on here or your online blog.  O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on January 24, 2013, 02:45:24 PM
BTW, how do you find all this time off from work? I need to find myself that kind of job.  :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: yoursunrise4ever on January 24, 2013, 03:13:49 PM
LonelyHmongGuy,
 
I wish the sunrise to always rise for you where ever you travel to. Take care and be safe on your trip. Perhaps, fate is calling you home.  ;)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on January 24, 2013, 03:46:59 PM
BTW, how do you find all this time off from work? I need to find myself that kind of job.  :)

MenyuamHmoob -

Really do wish you could go with me... wish everyone on PH for that matter, wish we all could go as one big group!

I have been at my current job for awhile now and accrue a good amount of PTO each pay period... being that I don't ever take any sick days, or take any personal time off, I still have a lot of vacation left. Also keep in mind that I have not taken a vacation, until my last trip, in 3 years... so yea, I am pretty lucky. PTO I have plenty, just not the cash to do anything with it.

Soo... to continue on my EX-Father In Law. I was just thinking about his life. He never got to see the inside of a Mall, never got to see the buffet line at the RIO in Vegas, he never got jet lag, or know the joys and frustrations of losing his luggage, he will never know what it is to have a sunburn, he's never been to a hotel, he never got to see mickey mouse, he will never experience what it is like to ride the ferry from San Francisco to Berkley. He will never see the insides of a casino or hike the Grand Canyon. He has never felt the heat of a midwestern summer or the humidity that comes with it. He will never know what a torando watch is or where to hide when one does come. He has never soak his feet in the Pacific Ocean or touch a coconut tree, and he will never ever know the sweet smell of the sea air.

Looking back on your life, looking back at my life, many many many years from now, I doubt anyone will say "DAM, I wish I was at work again, typing away at my PC." I doubt that very much. And you will probably NOT hear anyone say, "Darn, wish I had another report to complete for my boss."  Instead... I bet that most of us would wish that we had taken the long way home, to drive that weird road that drove along the coast, where we found that awesome view of the Golden Gate Bridge. I bet most of us would wish we could have spent an extra day at Disneyland or out camping with our kids. And I can certain that most of us would rather spend an extra hour on a sandy beach somewhere with our honey...

Just some thoughts...

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on January 25, 2013, 08:17:45 AM
LHG, its great to hear that you're finally enjoying yourself after years of hard work.  And i hope you have a great time in LAOS.  I once read somewhere about some of the biggest regrets/advice people at their death bed had.  And one of it is that "having materialistic things (money, house, cars, tv, etc.) will give you instant short term gratification, but having an experience/memories will last you a lifetime."

I'm growing to an age where i see several friends/cousins work 24/7, pay bilils, go nowhere and get sick w/long term diseases.  Given that, im begining to realize that life is short and we're only living on barrowed time.   :( So while you still can, do something adventurous, go somewhere you've never gone before, and build those memories. 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on January 25, 2013, 11:00:05 AM
LHG, its great to hear that you're finally enjoying yourself after years of hard work.  And i hope you have a great time in LAOS.  I once read somewhere about some of the biggest regrets/advice people at their death bed had.  And one of it is that "having materialistic things (money, house, cars, tv, etc.) will give you instant short term gratification, but having an experience/memories will last you a lifetime."

I'm growing to an age where i see several friends/cousins work 24/7, pay bilils, go nowhere and get sick w/long term diseases.  Given that, im begining to realize that life is short and we're only living on barrowed time.   :( So while you still can, do something adventurous, go somewhere you've never gone before, and build those memories.

MenyuamHmoob - Yes Bro... Just a couple of weeks ago, a buddy of mine and his friends were out drinking. His Buddy was drunk and got behind the wheel, lost control and ended up hitting a light pole. My buddy was ejected and killed instantly. His buddy is now arrested for DUI... I am thinking, DAM, life flys by. Don't live dangerously, but DO LIVE. Have fun!

Here is a couple of videos of Lao Pi Mai in Laos... Hopefully I will have some videos of my own to post after it is all said and done. I am told that Pi Mai, similiar to the scenes below, happens ALL over Laos, not just one place and last for 3 days. I am looking forward to it.  :)

LHG
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX1JWiab72I#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX1JWiab72I#ws)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxQToEAtyfo#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxQToEAtyfo#ws)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on January 25, 2013, 11:29:39 AM
yeah, i heard that during the "Boun Ntov Dej" its pretty fun too.  Some even say its more fun than the Hmong new year becuase its a nationwide celebration and everyone is off from work and school.  But i think i prefer the old school courting girls and seeing all my Hmong people at a new year. :) BTW, do you speak any lick of Laos?  I was lucky to have been traveling with a buddy of mine who knew Laotian, but this year, i was planning on traveling there with/without someone who actually speaks Laos this year, but wasn't sure how the experience would be like.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on January 25, 2013, 06:23:48 PM
yeah, i heard that during the "Boun Ntov Dej" its pretty fun too.  Some even say its more fun than the Hmong new year becuase its a nationwide celebration and everyone is off from work and school.  But i think i prefer the old school courting girls and seeing all my Hmong people at a new year. :) BTW, do you speak any lick of Laos?  I was lucky to have been traveling with a buddy of mine who knew Laotian, but this year, i was planning on traveling there with/without someone who actually speaks Laos this year, but wasn't sure how the experience would be like.

MenyuamHmoob -

I don't know how much of the Lao New Year is celebrated by the HMONG people in Laos. My guess is that it is like 4th of July, Labor Day or Thanksgiving here for us... Some Hmongs celebrate it and for others it may just be another day in Laos.

I enjoy everything about Laos... maybe because my short life has taken so many paths. You see, I was born in Laos, migrated to Thailand when I was 3 and then moved to the US when I was 6. My family and I landed in the Midwest, Bible Belt country... for the first 10 years of my life in the US, my sister and I were the only 2 asians at school, probably the only 2 asians in the county. Life was tough and so we had to learn English fast...

Long story... short. I can not speak Lao, other than to say hi, where's the bathbroom and a few other words. I also can not read or write Hmong... Not very efficiently anyways. I don't understand Hmong culture very well either. It is sad, but I am almost 40 and I don't know how to say thank you at funerals or weddings. I fall into that weird generation, where I don't fit in with the older Hmong people and I have a hard time associating with the younger Hmongs that are born here. I probably have a hand full of Hmong friends... everyone else is meka.

I will be travelling alone this time. My cousin has agreed to meet me at the air port... he will then take me to my hotel in Vientiane... but that's about it. The rest of my time there will be up to me.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: yangsha on February 25, 2013, 04:10:47 PM
I can't believe I read all 18 pages.  I learned so much O0  I'm planning on visiting my "friend" in Phonsavan for 2 1/2 weeks in mid December.  Thanks for all the info and the blog.  I truely enjoyed it!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: population1 on February 26, 2013, 06:07:44 PM
follow the 'old man's rule'. I know I will be when going to Laos. I have the guidance of the elders and parental discretion. China is also next on the list to visit suggested by my superiors.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on February 27, 2013, 11:21:47 AM
I can't believe I read all 18 pages.  I learned so much O0  I'm planning on visiting my "friend" in Phonsavan for 2 1/2 weeks in mid December.  Thanks for all the info and the blog.  I truely enjoyed it!

Wow!? You're going to Phonsavan? That is great! Is it to visit family or just for pleasure? Make sure you visit the food market, you'll find several vendors selling traditional Hmong & Laotian foods. Also, you'll get to sample all kinds of fruits.  There's another store on the opposite end of the street. But its mostly for clothes and nonperishables . O0

Also, there's two different mounds/hills that are not too far from Phonsavan which you can go and see the entire Phonsavan, Xienkuang area. You can also visit the Plain de Jars.  But i wasnt as impressed.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: yangsha on February 27, 2013, 02:49:53 PM
Long story short...divorc ed and met a friend who introduced me to a nice lady from there.  Been talking to her for a while now and planning on going down there for the new year and spend some time with her.  But first, I'll stop by to spend a couple days with my uncle's fam down in Vientianne and then fly to Phonsavan.  I don't think I can stand riding the bus or taking a taxi for 11 hours.  I heard the new year in Phonsavan is around November but she did confirm that it's around December 14th this year.  It's 9 months away but it'll give me time to collect and prepare for my first trip out of this country.

You know, I've never been out of country so I am not sure what it's going to be like.  I'm afraid I may get home sick, like I did when I was out in California for a couple weeks.  I've done a lot of research but this thread has most info I'll need, thanks to those with experience adding their 2 cents.  I have not heard about the stores, sight seeings, or anything in particular.  But I can't wait to taste the food and fruits there!  Talking to my lady friend, it doesn't sound like she goes out much, if any, at all but we'll see where she takes me lol.  Thanks for the suggestions!  Much appreciated!  I will surely look into the mounds/hills as I'd love to see the whole XK area.

BTW, sorry to the OP for getting off topic :)



Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: moscato on February 27, 2013, 05:58:51 PM
Long story short...divorc ed and met a friend who introduced me to a nice lady from there.  Been talking to her for a while now and planning on going down there for the new year and spend some time with her.  But first, I'll stop by to spend a couple days with my uncle's fam down in Vientianne and then fly to Phonsavan.  I don't think I can stand riding the bus or taking a taxi for 11 hours.  I heard the new year in Phonsavan is around November but she did confirm that it's around December 14th this year.  It's 9 months away but it'll give me time to collect and prepare for my first trip out of this country.

You know, I've never been out of country so I am not sure what it's going to be like.  I'm afraid I may get home sick, like I did when I was out in California for a couple weeks.  I've done a lot of research but this thread has most info I'll need, thanks to those with experience adding their 2 cents.  I have not heard about the stores, sight seeings, or anything in particular.  But I can't wait to taste the food and fruits there!  Talking to my lady friend, it doesn't sound like she goes out much, if any, at all but we'll see where she takes me lol.  Thanks for the suggestions!  Much appreciated!  I will surely look into the mounds/hills as I'd love to see the whole XK area.

BTW, sorry to the OP for getting off topic :)


I don't think there is a direct flight or airport in Phonsavan. You may need to fly into Xien Khouang.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on February 27, 2013, 09:04:14 PM
Long story short...divorc ed and met a friend who introduced me to a nice lady from there.  Been talking to her for a while now and planning on going down there for the new year and spend some time with her.  But first, I'll stop by to spend a couple days with my uncle's fam down in Vientianne and then fly to Phonsavan.  I don't think I can stand riding the bus or taking a taxi for 11 hours.  I heard the new year in Phonsavan is around November but she did confirm that it's around December 14th this year.  It's 9 months away but it'll give me time to collect and prepare for my first trip out of this country.

You know, I've never been out of country so I am not sure what it's going to be like.  I'm afraid I may get home sick, like I did when I was out in California for a couple weeks.  I've done a lot of research but this thread has most info I'll need, thanks to those with experience adding their 2 cents.  I have not heard about the stores, sight seeings, or anything in particular.  But I can't wait to taste the food and fruits there!  Talking to my lady friend, it doesn't sound like she goes out much, if any, at all but we'll see where she takes me lol.  Thanks for the suggestions!  Much appreciated!  I will surely look into the mounds/hills as I'd love to see the whole XK area.

BTW, sorry to the OP for getting off topic :)

All - Glad to see people are still reading this blog and still adding to it. Keep it going!

Yangsha - First of all, thank you for reading and congrats on your decision to go back to Laos. I hope you have a great time. I am also glad you found this blog useful. My intent was to help people like yourself and it brings me joy to know you found it helpful! Please add any useful information you may have as you prepare for your trip.

Happy Travels,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on February 27, 2013, 09:22:20 PM
Wow!? You're going to Phonsavan? That is great! Is it to visit family or just for pleasure? Make sure you visit the food market, you'll find several vendors selling traditional Hmong & Laotian foods. Also, you'll get to sample all kinds of fruits.  There's another store on the opposite end of the street. But its mostly for clothes and nonperishables . O0

Also, there's two different mounds/hills that are not too far from Phonsavan which you can go and see the entire Phonsavan, Xienkuang area. You can also visit the Plain de Jars.  But i wasnt as impressed.

MenyuamHmoob - Glad to see you again and to know you're still around and contributing to this blog. It is good to see everyone is still here and doing well.

As for Phonsavan, my grandparents live in this city so I can add a little to what you have stated so far. Phonsavan has 3 main markets. 1st is the "Dry Goods" Market, clothes, shoes, tools, electronics and beauty salons are found here. 2nd is the "Phonsavan Market" where you can find fresh fruits, vegetables, meat, and "jungle" meat like birds, snakes, squirrels, rats... etc. There are also spices and a few sit down resturantes here. 3rd is a small market and it lies on the other side of town.  If you're heading towards the airport or the Plain of Jars, you will see it.

The Plains of Jars is a good historical site and worth an afternoon... bring some food and have a picnic. Great place to take pictures too.

The hills around Phosavan are great for hiking and gives you a good view of the city. Will worth your time. Also a great place to make out... or so I have heard.

Happy Travels,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on February 27, 2013, 09:32:41 PM
I don't think there is a direct flight or airport in Phonsavan. You may need to fly into Xien Khouang.

A little confusing... but I hope I can explain about the airport(s) in Laos. To begin with, Xieng Khouang is the Province (in USA terms, it is the state) and Phonsavan is a city within Xieng Khouang. So think of Xieng Khouang as California and Phonsavan as Sacramento... hope this helps.

Phonsavan does have an airport, but it is NOT an international airport. This means, you can not get a direct flight into Phonsavan from the US, Thailand or Vietnam. Xieng Khouang Airport or XKH lies just outside of the City of Phonsavan in Xieng Khouang Province. There are daily flights from Vientiane and Luang Prabang.

Hope this helps...

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: moscato on February 28, 2013, 09:59:44 AM
A little confusing... but I hope I can explain about the airport(s) in Laos. To begin with, Xieng Khouang is the Province (in USA terms, it is the state) and Phonsavan is a city within Xieng Khouang. So think of Xieng Khouang as California and Phonsavan as Sacramento... hope this helps.

Phonsavan does have an airport, but it is NOT an international airport. This means, you can not get a direct flight into Phonsavan from the US, Thailand or Vietnam. Xieng Khouang Airport or XKH lies just outside of the City of Phonsavan in Xieng Khouang Province. There are daily flights from Vientiane and Luang Prabang.

Hope this helps...

LHG

sorry im not planning to travel in laos nor thailand. lol I'm a travel agent and we get alot of ppl that ask us if there is an airport in Phonsavan but because I don't see any direct flights I just tell them to fly into XKH. sorry ya'lls..
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: yoursunrise4ever on February 28, 2013, 03:17:10 PM
All this talks and pictures from Laos. Makes me want to go so bad. I long to see my motherland and all the beautiful places God has bestowed upon us. I can only assume that it's once in a lifetime experience! How I would love to walk without shoes in the red dirt road. Eat fresh hmong cucumbers out in the field after a long hot day. Drink water from a folded leaf (Don't know how safe). See childrens playing marbles on the street after a night fall. People sitting around fire and sharing folktales. How I long to visit my homeland one of these days...... Thank you all for sharing your experiences with some of us that may never set foot in Laos.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on March 04, 2013, 09:16:33 AM
sorry im not planning to travel in laos nor thailand. lol I'm a travel agent and we get alot of ppl that ask us if there is an airport in Phonsavan but because I don't see any direct flights I just tell them to fly into XKH. sorry ya'lls..

You're a travel agent and you dont know? Lol.  :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on March 04, 2013, 09:22:54 AM
All this talks and pictures from Laos. Makes me want to go so bad. I long to see my motherland and all the beautiful places God has bestowed upon us. I can only assume that it's once in a lifetime experience! How I would love to walk without shoes in the red dirt road. Eat fresh hmong cucumbers out in the field after a long hot day. Drink water from a folded leaf (Don't know how safe). See childrens playing marbles on the street after a night fall. People sitting around fire and sharing folktales. How I long to visit my homeland one of these days...... Thank you all for sharing your experiences with some of us that may never set foot in Laos.

Yoursunrise.  For the experience you've just described, im afraid one would have to go into the more remote parts of Laos. If you only go to the big cites like KM52 & Phonsavan, you wouldnt be able to do or see any of waht you've described.  They're actually more developed than i had initially thought.  I've yet to visit the remote parts of Laos, where there's no electricity, and the simple way of life is the norm.  Hopefully one day i will get to experience that way of life before all of Laos becomes more modernized.  :) 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on March 04, 2013, 09:23:59 AM
MenyuamHmoob - Glad to see you again and to know you're still around and contributing to this blog. It is good to see everyone is still here and doing well.

LHG, great to see you're still on here too. BTW, aren't you going back soon?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 04, 2013, 10:38:01 AM
LHG, great to see you're still on here too. BTW, aren't you going back soon?

Hey Buddy! Yes, I am going back soon. I will be in Laos in the middle of April for Laos New Year! I was also able to contact a cousin who lives in Nong Hai, so I will stop there after a couple of days rest in Vientiane. Nong Hai is very lay back and I hear most of the people there still farms, hopefully I will get a chance to head out to some of the places where they farm. I hear it is quit remote and very "kho siab"... From Nong Hai, I will go up to Vang Vieng to enjoy Laos New Years. I purchased a couple of water guns for the water fights... see video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHAcYcn13Pc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHAcYcn13Pc#ws)

Then I will make my way back down to KM52 to spend the rest of my time with my grandmother. I am very excited.

BTW - don't you have relatives in Nong Hai? Maybe I should stop by to say hi to them for you! LOL

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 04, 2013, 10:43:08 AM
You're a travel agent and you dont know? Lol.  :2funny: :2funny:

Nothing against Moscato... but most travel agents in the USA know very little about Laos. It is people like you and I who have been there, that can actually give useable advice. Most US agents are only good for a plane ticket and some don't even have very good prices.

Moscato... don't be offended. I am sure you're great at what you do. BTW - At which travel agency do you work for and do you have many Hmong customers? What your busiest time for Laos?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: yoursunrise4ever on March 04, 2013, 11:10:00 AM
Yoursunrise.  For the experience you've just described, im afraid one would have to go into the more remote parts of Laos. If you only go to the big cites like KM52 & Phonsavan, you wouldnt be able to do or see any of waht you've described.  They're actually more developed than i had initially thought.  I've yet to visit the remote parts of Laos, where there's no electricity, and the simple way of life is the norm.  Hopefully one day i will get to experience that way of life before all of Laos becomes more modernized.  :)

A person can fantasize right? lolz Yes, I understand that you will have to travelled to a remote area to experience such. In fact I am not from any part of Xieng Khouang Province area. My parents are actually from the upper northern part of Laos. This is where I want to go. It's more beautiful than any part of Laos. Still very country. :)
 
Luang Namtha (Lao (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lao_alphabet) ຫລວງນໍ້າທາ, literally "Royal Sugar Palm" or "Royal Green River") is a province (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provinces_of_Laos) of Laos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos) located in the north of the country. From 1966 to 1976 it formed, together with Bokeo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokeo), the province of Houakhong (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Houakhong&action=edit&redlink=1). Luang Namtha Province covers an area of 145,289 square kilometres (56,096 sq mi). Its provincial capital is Luang Namtha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luang_Namtha). The province borders with Yunnan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yunnan), China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China) to the north, Oudomxai Province (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oudomxai_Province) to the east and southeast, Bolikhamsai Province (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolikhamsai_Province) to the southwest, and Kachin State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kachin_State), Burma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burma) to the northwest.
The province contains the Nam Ha National Biodiversity Conservation Area (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nam_Ha_National_Biodiversity_Conservation_Area&action=edit&redlink=1) and is one of the main sugar cane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_cane) and rubber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber) producing areas of Laos with numerous plantations. There are some 20 temples in Muang Sing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muang_Sing), including Wat Sing Jai (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wat_Sing_Jai&action=edit&redlink=1) and Wat Namkeo (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wat_Namkeo&action=edit&redlink=1). The anthropologica l Luang Namtha Museum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luang_Namtha_Museum) is located in Luang Namtha
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on March 04, 2013, 03:03:02 PM
***Travel Advice, Return Confirmation****

Return Confirmation. I was told before I went on my trip that one would need to go back to the airport (in Vientiane) the day before your return to confirm your flight.  This is COMPLETELY incorrect.  My travel agent (who is a Hmong travel agent and resides in CA, who shall remain anonymous) had advised me to the same.  Its a waste of 30,000-40,000 kip and 1 day just to go all the way from KM52 to Vientiene.

I would tell everyone about the bad service i got from this travel agency, but im not going to bash on them in here. lol
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 04, 2013, 03:12:23 PM

A person can fantasize right? lolz Yes, I understand that you will have to travelled to a remote area to experience such. In fact I am not from any part of Xieng Khouang Province area. My parents are actually from the upper northern part of Laos. This is where I want to go. It's more beautiful than any part of Laos. Still very country. :)
 
Luang Namtha (Lao (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lao_alphabet) ຫລວງນໍ້າທາ, literally "Royal Sugar Palm" or "Royal Green River") is a province (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provinces_of_Laos) of Laos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos) located in the north of the country. From 1966 to 1976 it formed, together with Bokeo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokeo), the province of Houakhong (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Houakhong&action=edit&redlink=1). Luang Namtha Province covers an area of 145,289 square kilometres (56,096 sq mi). Its provincial capital is Luang Namtha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luang_Namtha). The province borders with Yunnan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yunnan), China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China) to the north, Oudomxai Province (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oudomxai_Province) to the east and southeast, Bolikhamsai Province (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolikhamsai_Province) to the southwest, and Kachin State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kachin_State), Burma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burma) to the northwest.
The province contains the Nam Ha National Biodiversity Conservation Area (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nam_Ha_National_Biodiversity_Conservation_Area&action=edit&redlink=1) and is one of the main sugar cane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_cane) and rubber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber) producing areas of Laos with numerous plantations. There are some 20 temples in Muang Sing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muang_Sing), including Wat Sing Jai (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wat_Sing_Jai&action=edit&redlink=1) and Wat Namkeo (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wat_Namkeo&action=edit&redlink=1). The anthropologica l Luang Namtha Museum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luang_Namtha_Museum) is located in Luang Namtha

Hello SunRise... Hope things are good with you and yours. Good to see you're still around and adding to this blog.

Luang Namtha is remote like you mentioned, and it is also one of the first places the Hmong migrated to when they left China. In the old days and not so long ago, Luang Namtha was where alot of the Opium in Laos was grown. This part of the country is very close to China and Burma and is widely known as the Golden Triangle. I hear there are still Hmong in this part of the country that still grows opium, but that's just unconfirmed rumors.

Alot of the drugs in Laos, China and Thailand are manufactured in the Golden Triangle and transported elsewhere. I would be real careful when travelling in this area and not to transport anything given to me without complete trust of the person who gave it to me.

For a real "country feel" as you put it, I would head out to towns near Non Hai. 90 percent of the Hmong there still farm (slash/burn method) and most villiages have houses that still have dirt floors. They also raise their own livestocks.


Happy Travels,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 04, 2013, 03:15:10 PM
***Travel Advice, Return Confirmation****

Return Confirmation. I was told before I went on my trip that one would need to go back to the airport (in Vientiane) the day before your return to confirm your flight.  This is COMPLETELY incorrect.  My travel agent (who is a Hmong travel agent and resides in CA, who shall remain anonymous) had advised me to the same.  Its a waste of 30,000-40,000 kip and 1 day just to go all the way from KM52 to Vientiene.

I would tell everyone about the bad service i got from this travel agency, but im not going to bash on them in here. lol

That sucks... knowing  you, you probably needed that time to win over some nice Hmong Lao Girl!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: yoursunrise4ever on March 04, 2013, 03:22:32 PM
Hello SunRise... Hope things are good with you and yours. Good to see you're still around and adding to this blog.

Luang Namtha is remote like you mentioned, and it is also one of the first places the Hmong migrated to when they left China. In the old days and not so long ago, Luang Namtha was where alot of the Opium in Laos was grown. This part of the country is very close to China and Burma and is widely known as the Golden Triangle. I hear there are still Hmong in this part of the country that still grows opium, but that's just unconfirmed rumors.

Alot of the drugs in Laos, China and Thailand are manufactured in the Golden Triangle and transported elsewhere. I would be real careful when travelling in this area and not to transport anything given to me without complete trust of the person who gave it to me.

For a real "country feel" as you put it, I would head out to towns near Non Hai. 90 percent of the Hmong there still farm (slash/burn method) and most villiages have houses that still have dirt floors. They also raise their own livestocks.


Happy Travels,

LHG

LHG, I am doing well. I also hope that you are as well.  :)
 
I don't know if they still grow opium but my grandfather/mother were rich folks in that part of the country due to the vast growing of opium trades. This is where they learned how to speak chinese fluently. It only take a day to cross into the China to do the trade. Many hmong, mien, laos, and lahoo still live there currently. It is the only country that house the vast majority of ethics. This part of the country is very hard to get across and security is very tight! If I were to travelled outside of USA, I want to go to places that it's different and not modernize.
 
Sounds like you know about my own history more than I do. Thank you for sharing the info.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: moscato on March 07, 2013, 10:46:34 AM
Nothing against Moscato... but most travel agents in the USA know very little about Laos. It is people like you and I who have been there, that can actually give useable advice. Most US agents are only good for a plane ticket and some don't even have very good prices.

Moscato... don't be offended. I am sure you're great at what you do. BTW - At which travel agency do you work for and do you have many Hmong customers? What your busiest time for Laos?

@ menyuamhmoob, sadly i don't know. As lonelyhmgguy says -- I've never been to laos so I have little to no experience in that area. I can only give credit to google for searching. haha
@ lonelyhmgguy, I work for a consolidator. We are basically the middle man for the hmong agents that you guys see in MN, WI, CA. We issue tickets and resolve issues for them. We have over 30+ hmong agencies that work with us. Alot of ppl travel between Feb-mid May and end of Oct-late Dec.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 07, 2013, 01:14:55 PM
@ menyuamhmoob, sadly i don't know. As lonelyhmgguy says -- I've never been to laos so I have little to no experience in that area. I can only give credit to google for searching. haha
@ lonelyhmgguy, I work for a consolidator. We are basically the middle man for the hmong agents that you guys see in MN, WI, CA. We issue tickets and resolve issues for them. We have over 30+ hmong agencies that work with us. Alot of ppl travel between Feb-mid May and end of Oct-late Dec.
Moscato-

A bit off topic... but I am sure most of our readers would love to know. Just out of curiosity and being in your line of business, you should have all the stats!!!??? LOL.

Being that California and Minn have a good concentration of Hmongs... who wins in the number of Hmongs going back to Laos? Are there more Cal-Hmongs OR more Minn-Hmongs going to Laos each year or are they they same?

What is the average plane ticket for going to Laos? From California? From Minn?

How long do they stay in Laos?
 
Number of Men and Women? Age also, if you know?

Thanks for the info ahead of time, I am sure you're busy!

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on March 08, 2013, 02:46:19 PM
hey... nice how everyone is still updating this thread. 

someday.. most likely when daughter gets is done with her masters [4-5 years?]... and if she still single... or just her to pique her curiosity about hte old country... i agree that i'd go with her to laos to visit or to pick one vauv for her. 

so those of you who are going there... please keep a lookout on where the best place where the best single guys are... which location have the most good looking would help too.   O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on March 08, 2013, 03:01:14 PM
Aoz, are you serious about choosing a vauv from Laos?  ;D Not that anything is wrong with it but wouldn't she have to support him for a while?

i am serious!  ;D i see nothing wrong with that picture at all.  there are too many unmotivated young men here who aren't contributing at all to anything nor anyone.  they just sit home and uasi while their wives or gf or parents work 2 jobs to support them. 

at least those in laos... they know how to ua dej num at home or txawj ua noj ua haus and paub dabqhuas.   O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on March 08, 2013, 03:11:57 PM
I know a lady who's in her late 40's that married a 25 years old guy. She bosses him around like a kid. He still hangs out with her younger brother like a friend.  ;D
lols.

 look at the pattern... it started with OG men in their 60s going there... now young men are going there and marrying those girls there.

same with the women.  at first..it's always the OG that leads the way... and soon enough... young single women will see that going there has benefits as well. 

they dont' make hmong men here like they do in laos.  hmong men in laos have that family unity quality... and paub dabqhua that those here lack.   ;D
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: moscato on March 08, 2013, 04:46:38 PM
***Travel Advice, Return Confirmation****

Return Confirmation. I was told before I went on my trip that one would need to go back to the airport (in Vientiane) the day before your return to confirm your flight.  This is COMPLETELY incorrect.  My travel agent (who is a Hmong travel agent and resides in CA, who shall remain anonymous) had advised me to the same.  Its a waste of 30,000-40,000 kip and 1 day just to go all the way from KM52 to Vientiene.

I would tell everyone about the bad service i got from this travel agency, but im not going to bash on them in here. lol

I bet I noe who that hmong agent is.  ;D


Moscato-

A bit off topic... but I am sure most of our readers would love to know. Just out of curiosity and being in your line of business, you should have all the stats!!!??? LOL.

Being that California and Minn have a good concentration of Hmongs... who wins in the number of Hmongs going back to Laos? Are there more Cal-Hmongs OR more Minn-Hmongs going to Laos each year or are they they same?

What is the average plane ticket for going to Laos? From California? From Minn?

How long do they stay in Laos?
 
Number of Men and Women? Age also, if you know?

Thanks for the info ahead of time, I am sure you're busy!

LHG

LOL since im based in mpls, i only know alot of hmong ppl that travel out of MN. But im sure many folks travel out of CA too.
Plane tickets -- it just depends on when u want to travel. different seasonality = different prices
majority of ppl stay at least 3 weeks.. some ppl even stay 6+ months.
I don't know the average age since we don't get that info from passengers. But men def travel more than women.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: yoursunrise4ever on March 12, 2013, 02:45:02 PM
Darkest of the night, the stars glimmers so bright. You can almost reach up and touch the moon. Is that true?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 14, 2013, 09:39:50 PM
I bet I noe who that hmong agent is.  ;D


LOL since im based in mpls, i only know alot of hmong ppl that travel out of MN. But im sure many folks travel out of CA too.
Plane tickets -- it just depends on when u want to travel. different seasonality = different prices
majority of ppl stay at least 3 weeks.. some ppl even stay 6+ months.
I don't know the average age since we don't get that info from passengers. But men def travel more than women.

LOL... Moscato, do you have any interest in going back to Laos? How old are you? Were you born here? Sorry for being so upfront... I am just curious.
 
I have younger brothers who were born here and they all don't seem to have any interest in going back either.  I am just thinking outloud here, but I wonder if only those of us that were born in Laos are interested in going back?

Maybe I should take a poll?

BTW - 2 more weeks and I head back to Vientiane!!!!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: moscato on March 15, 2013, 12:32:35 PM
LOL... Moscato, do you have any interest in going back to Laos? How old are you? Were you born here? Sorry for being so upfront... I am just curious.
 
I have younger brothers who were born here and they all don't seem to have any interest in going back either.  I am just thinking outloud here, but I wonder if only those of us that were born in Laos are interested in going back?

Maybe I should take a poll?

BTW - 2 more weeks and I head back to Vientiane!!!!

Yes I was born in the U.S. but I'm pretty open-minded so I wouldn't mind traveling to Laos if given the opportunity. I heard Thailand is beautiful also. I noe that for the younger generation Laos is probably not their top countries to visit. lol But sometimes you'll come across some younger folks who just want to go for pleasure or they are traveling with their parents/families.

nice! have fun and be safe  :) O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 15, 2013, 01:01:25 PM
Yes I was born in the U.S. but I'm pretty open-minded so I wouldn't mind traveling to Laos if given the opportunity. I heard Thailand is beautiful also. I noe that for the younger generation Laos is probably not their top countries to visit. lol But sometimes you'll come across some younger folks who just want to go for pleasure or they are traveling with their parents/families.

nice! have fun and be safe  :) O0

Good to hear... hope you do get a chance to go back to Laos too. I did hear that Thailand is also very beautiful and much cheaper than Laos... in regards to car rental, food, and fuel. So Thailand is next on my list, along with Vietnam.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHH... so many places, so little time!!!!!

BTW - do you get a discount from where you work if you do go? LOL, that would be awesome if you did! Do you mainly deal with South East Asia travel?

Thanks for the well wishes... I am still packing and still have some more shopping to do.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: moscato on March 15, 2013, 02:11:13 PM
Good to hear... hope you do get a chance to go back to Laos too. I did hear that Thailand is also very beautiful and much cheaper than Laos... in regards to car rental, food, and fuel. So Thailand is next on my list, along with Vietnam.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHH... so many places, so little time!!!!!

BTW - do you get a discount from where you work if you do go? LOL, that would be awesome if you did! Do you mainly deal with South East Asia travel?

Thanks for the well wishes... I am still packing and still have some more shopping to do.

LHG

Yes I do get discount thru work but not much for international travel. I fly free if its within the 48 states (Alaska & Hawaii not included) Yes i deal with the southeast asia market.. occassionally i'll help with europe & south africa market.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 15, 2013, 03:51:53 PM
Yes I do get discount thru work but not much for international travel. I fly free if its within the 48 states (Alaska & Hawaii not included) Yes i deal with the southeast asia market.. occassionally i'll help with europe & south africa market.

Wow... how lucky are you! You know what you should do.... (if you have not already), travel to all 48 state! Heheheehee

Seriously, those are really good perks! I envy you. I love traveling and would kill for bennefits like that. You should take advantage of it and travel.

BTW - does your spouse get the same bennefits? If so, I am single! :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: moscato on March 15, 2013, 04:36:15 PM
Wow... how lucky are you! You know what you should do.... (if you have not already), travel to all 48 state! Heheheehee

Seriously, those are really good perks! I envy you. I love traveling and would kill for bennefits like that. You should take advantage of it and travel.

BTW - does your spouse get the same bennefits? If so, I am single! :)

LOL I have not but yes that would be awesome.. So far i've only gone to California, Florida, and Michigan because I have family there.
haha sorry but I am married and my spouse and I both travel together.  :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 20, 2013, 11:45:12 AM
*** Packed and Ready to Go***

Well, I am all packed and ready to go. I am nervous as hell. I am going stay up all night tonight so maybe I will be tired during the flight and maybe I catch some sleep while on the plane. But I doubt that will happen.

What I packed this time....

Cloths:
8 short, 4 cargo and 4 Bermuda
2 swim trunks
14 t shirts
2 pairs of jeans
8 boxers
5 pairs of socks
1 sandals
1 pair of water shoe
1 tennis shoe
1 light hoodie
2 polo shirt

Food:
3 packages of Costco Beer Jerky (this was a big hit last time)
2 batches of home made brownies (Chocolate was a big hit too)
2 Dr. Pepper, 2 Mountain Dew, 2 Root Beer, 2 Orange Crush ( My cousins wants to try American Cola)
2 boxes of Chocolate Bars (72 bars total)... Mars, Sneaker, M&M, Hershey Bars... etc (For all the kids in the villiage)
1 bottle of Jack Daniels 1.75 liter (for cousin's birthday)

Toys and gifts:
3 barbie dolls (for nieces)
2 RC Trucks with batteries (for nephews)
2 WaterWarriors Collosus Water Guns (for me, for Laos Water festival)
3 Casio watches, 2 men and 1 women (for my cousins)

Personal and misc stuff:
toothbrush and toothpaste
2 rolls of extra soft toilet paper
1 flashlight
1 first aid kit
1 bottle of hair gel
1 Ipod
1 Laptop
1 point and shot digital camera (will leave behind)
1 cannon slr camera

My suitcases are full and heavy but all are under 50 lbs. To be honest, I am a little scare this time around as I will be going alone. Hopefully, I will meet other Hmongs along the way. It still amazes me, 4 years ago, before my mother passed away, I would have never thought about doing stuff like this. I was comfortable in my ways. I went to work, I came home, I ate, watch some TV and went to bed. On the weekends, it was drinking with the inlaws. That was my world... Now, I am going to travel half way around the world, going to a country I barely know. I can barely speak the language and know every few people there. If it matters down the road, I am glad I am going...

I guess the old saying is true.... "get busy dying or get busy living", we all only live once and each of us must make the best of the time given to us. So, if you're are at a place where you don't want to be right now, change it. Get up and walk out your front door.

I will see you guys in about 4 weeks.... and I will update everyone as best I can while I am there.

LHG
 

 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: yoursunrise4ever on March 20, 2013, 11:48:40 AM
LHG,
 
Good luck and happy traveling!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Sith on March 21, 2013, 12:26:38 PM

wow. I just read all 20 pages.

LonelyHmgGuy,
thanks for all the Info.

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: moscato on March 21, 2013, 01:58:47 PM
LHG -- good luck and have fun!  O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 22, 2013, 11:56:04 AM
Good Evening from Hanoi, Vietnam... or is it good night??? Either way, hello to my PH brothers and sisters.

Just got off the plane after a 14 hours flight from SFO to South Korea and another 4 hours flight from Korea to Hanoi... The flight from SF to Korea was exhausting and there was little time to explore Icheon once I landed because it was a mad dash to my next flight. With only a 1 hour and 20 minute layover in Seoul, I had to hurry just to make it to the transfer gate for my next flight, which was on the opposite side of the terminal. To top it off, we were order to go thru Security Check again... Dam, what a hassel! But through it all, I am still smiling and keeping my sense of humor.

This is my second time with Korean Airlines and I am still very happy with them. So, to start off, once you board the airplane, there is a bottle of cold water and a blanket already waiting for you in your seat. VERY NICE,! Boarding was orderly and the staff were very helpful and some can speak English, which is a big help. There was plenty of overhead storage for my laptop and carry-on. I found plenty of leg room for my small size, I am 5'5", 170lbs. \

Despite my best planning, I could not sleep on board, NOT very well or very long anyways. I guess I was just too excited  and too anxious to sleep. But I did not let it bother me much. I passed the time watching people and listening to my IPOD... a little PINK, some Greenday and some Bruno Mars to waste the time away. While onboard, we had two meals on Korean Airlines, first was dinner... choice of Bimbim bap or beef stew. I choose the traditional Bimbim bap, it is was very good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibimbap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibimbap)

After dinner was about an hour of much needed sleep. I was exhausted, because I had the stupid idea of staying up the night before!!! Went to bathroon twice, one to go potty and the second time was mainly to stretch my poor tired legs. For breakfast, I have an egg omelet with fruits and a baguette, nothing special.

After my breakfast, I found my IPOD drained... but as luck would have it, there was a USB port charger in my seat, how cool is that for us geeks, THANK YOU Korean Airlines! While charging my IPOD, I browsed and watch a couple of free movies... Ratatoille and The Dark Knight Rises... then it was back to my IPOD again.

Finally and just when you think you're never going to land, the pilot comes on the PA and announces that we're making our final approach into Seoul! Just like that, Korea appeared ahead of us like an island jumping out of the vast Pacific Ocean. Just like that, there was land and trees, homes and factories, high rises and concrete freeways again. And just as fast, we were on the ground and everyone was scrambling to get their luggages down from the overhead bins.

The Airport in Seoul is HUGE and very busy... which reminded me of the Hmong funeral songs that the old Hmong people sing at the funeral places. This is what it must be like for the dead, a lost soul trying to navigate his way back home to his ancestors. For the final journey home, the soul will have to find the right gate and the right plane to board. It seemed like everyone had a purpose, an understanding of where they must go. Everyone was busy searching and waiting for their turn to board their plane and fly home, to their final destination.  Some people ate their meals and others had none. Some people had many luggages and others only carried themselves. Some passengers were travelling with families and others were alone.  I can only imagine to myself, this is what it must be like for a soul after death?! For a moment, I felt alone.

From Seoul, it was another 4 hours flight to Hanoi, Vietnam. A huge contrast by all comparisons, Hanoi is small and empty. Here there are no Gucci or Prada signs and the ever present noise has been replaced with an eerie silence. Perhaps it was late in the evening, but Hanoi only had a trickle of passengers. There are a few souvenir shops, but nothing high end like Seoul. Many of the seats in the waiting areas were empty and there was only 2 terminal, A  and B. I found an empty area on the second floor next to a PHO Resturant with free wifi, and so I am here writing to my friends on PH.

I will be here until 9:00 AM tomorrow morning, at which time, I will board another plane for Vientiane, Laos. Until then, it seems like I have the entire airport to myself.

More to come...
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 22, 2013, 11:57:57 AM
wow. I just read all 20 pages.

LonelyHmgGuy,
thanks for all the Info.

Good to hear... more to come!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 22, 2013, 11:58:28 AM
LHG,
 
Good luck and happy traveling!

Thank you
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 22, 2013, 11:59:13 AM
LHG -- good luck and have fun!  O0

Thank you, I will.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 22, 2013, 01:54:49 PM
Meaning of life or exhaustion from Lack of Sleep?... you decide.

I have not slept for 36 hours and I am sure I am delirious from exhaustion, but here I am with nothing but time on my hands and so I was just thinking about my life. I don’t own many Hmong songs, not because I am prejudices, it’s just that not many of them have meaning/lyrics I can relate too… however, 120 Xyoo by Reflections is an exception. I really like this song. Before you we go any further, imagine yourself alone in an empty airport at 2 AM in the morning in South East Asia while listening to this song, if any of this is to make sense. Lyrics to the song goes something like this…

Zoo li nag hmo
Kuv nyuam qhuav muaj kaum plaub xyoos
Ua cas hnub no
Kuv tseem siv muaj nais nkaum plaub xyoos
Kuv ua lub neej
Zoo li npau suav ib vuag
Kuv tseem siv txog ntawm no
Ib ntsais muag
Kuv tseem siv laus zuj zus
Kuv lub neej
Tsuas paub hnuj nyob
Nyob hnub no
Tsis paub tsis paub
Txog tag kis
Seb txoj hmoo
Puas txog 120 xyoo
Kuv tau yug los
Tsis paub txoj kev mob
Tsis paub xyov thaum twg
Yuav tso lub ntuj no
Kuv thiaj rau siab
Tsim kuv lub neej tab sis
Kuv tseem niaj hnub seev
Ib ntsais muag
Kuv tseem siv laus zuj zus
Kuv lub neej
Tsuas paub hnuj nyob
Nyob hnub no
Tsis paub tsis paub
Txog tag kis
Seb txoj hmoo
Puas txog 120 xyoo
Ib ntsais muag
Kuv tseem siv laus zuj zus
Kuv lub neej
Tsuas paub hnuj nyob
Nyob hnub no
Tsis paub tsis paub
Txog tag kis
Seb txoj hmoo
Puas txog 120 xyoo

I miss my mother who passed away… I miss ex, not for who she is now, but for who she was and for what we could have been. I miss my son. I miss the sound of the wind blowing in the trees. I miss the site of grass dancing on the prairie. I miss the sun on my back. I miss the sound of the ocean. I miss the feel of wet sand. I miss the smell of plumeria in the air. I miss the taste of warm rice in cold water. I miss the feel of soft dirt.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on March 22, 2013, 03:22:58 PM
Wow!!!  You're on your way to LAOS!!! OMG!! Im freaken jelous of you!  I wish I was headed back to Laos for a few weeks of worry free exploring again.   :(

Hearing you're stories of the Korea Airline, Korea Airpor, Hanoi Airport makes me miss Laos so much.  Because thats the same exact itenary that I was given when I went to Laos at the end of the year, 2012.  I too had a quick 1.5hr layover in Korean and then on to Hanoi where I had to sleep over the night.  But unlike you, it was the first time for me going to Laos so I traveled with a group. ehehe!  I thought during the time that it would be freaken LONELY traveling alone and know exactly how you're feeling.  I too went to the second floor of the Hanoi airport and slept on the empy seats.

***Tip for everyone before going from the Korea airport to the Hanoi Airport:  Remember to steal one of the blankets on the Korean Airline so you can use it as a blanket while you sleep like a bum in the Hanoi airport.  Also, if you have a lot of time in the Seoul airport, there's an international lounge which is totally free where you can take a hot shower (soap, towel, toothbrush, tooth paste all provided for free), sleep on a high quality lazyboy couch, and even get a massage all for free!!!

Have fun on your trip LHG!  Keep us all posted.  If you need some "Hluas nkauj" number, then just PM me and i shall let you know. ehehehe!  In that way, you wont have to feel so alone.  O0 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 22, 2013, 03:57:51 PM
I am in Hanio, Vietnam and it is around 4:00 AM in the morning. I am laying on the floor next to the window with no one in site, even the maintenance crew is now gone. I feel asleep for about an hour and it is still dark outside. I can make out some shapes in and around the street lights below but nothing more. Far off to the east, there must be a city nearby because I can see bright lights. It's warm but I have my hoodie on because I like the scent of fresh detergent from home. My laptop bag is my pillow and my carrry-on is at my feet. I can feel that the glass next to me is cool to the touch but not cold... I want to get some fresh air, but there are no doors that will open to the outside. My stomach hurts but I don't feel hungry or thristy.

I am listening to Train, Marry Me... almost haunting in this lonely airport at this hour. I wish there was someone here to talk to... a face to look at or someone's hand to hold.

Forever can never be long enough for me
To feel like I've had long enough with you
Forget the world now, we won't let them see
But there's one thing left to do
Now that the weight has lifted
Love has surely shifted my way
Marry me
Today and every day
Marry me
If I ever get the nerve to say hello in this cafe
Say you will
Say you will

Together can never be close enough for me
To feel like I am close enough to you
You wear white and I'll wear out the words I love you
And you're beautiful
Now that the wait is over
And love and has finally showed her my way
Marry me
Today and every day
Marry me
If I ever get the nerve to say hello in this cafe
Say you will
Say you will

Promise me you'll always be
Happy by my side
I promise to sing to you
When all the music dies
And marry me
Today and everyday
Marry me
If I ever get the nerve to say hello in this cafe
Say you will
Say you will
Marry me

Here I sit, here I am. I once lived a lonely here on this earth.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Sith on March 22, 2013, 04:26:23 PM
OK!

Now I definitely can't wait till my trip start.

 ::)

counting down the Months, Days, Hours, Seconds, Nano-seconds.........

 ::)

Yesssssssssss, I'll be flying into Seoul, too. So thanks for all the heads up info  O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 22, 2013, 04:28:13 PM
Wow!!!  You're on your way to LAOS!!! OMG!! Im freaken jelous of you!  I wish I was headed back to Laos for a few weeks of worry free exploring again.   :(

Hearing you're stories of the Korea Airline, Korea Airpor, Hanoi Airport makes me miss Laos so much.  Because thats the same exact itenary that I was given when I went to Laos at the end of the year, 2012.  I too had a quick 1.5hr layover in Korean and then on to Hanoi where I had to sleep over the night.  But unlike you, it was the first time for me going to Laos so I traveled with a group. ehehe!  I thought during the time that it would be freaken LONELY traveling alone and know exactly how you're feeling.  I too went to the second floor of the Hanoi airport and slept on the empy seats.

***Tip for everyone before going from the Korea airport to the Hanoi Airport:  Remember to steal one of the blankets on the Korean Airline so you can use it as a blanket while you sleep like a bum in the Hanoi airport.  Also, if you have a lot of time in the Seoul airport, there's an international lounge which is totally free where you can take a hot shower (soap, towel, toothbrush, tooth paste all provided for free), sleep on a high quality lazyboy couch, and even get a massage all for free!!!

Have fun on your trip LHG!  Keep us all posted.  If you need some "Hluas nkauj" number, then just PM me and i shall let you know. ehehehe!  In that way, you wont have to feel so alone.  O0

Yes... MenyuamHmoob

I am on the second floor... dark and cool. No one in site. A long ways from home.

Thanks for the well wishes man... hopefully you and I can do this together in the near future. For the time being, I will take you with me.

TTYL buddy,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 22, 2013, 04:57:38 PM
OK!

Now I definitely can't wait till my trip start.

 ::)

counting down the Months, Days, Hours, Seconds, Nano-seconds.........

 ::)

Yesssssssssss, I'll be flying into Seoul, too. So thanks for all the heads up info  O0

Sith,

You can do it alone... like me. But it's probably better as a group. BTW - Are you able to speak Lao?

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 22, 2013, 05:50:50 PM
It is almost 6 AM and the sun is starting to peak out of the East... It is a beautiful morning. I can make out coconut and palm trees that line the streets nearby. The airport staff are arrieving, picking up trash and sweeping the floor. I am sure if I was outside, I could hear the rosters crowing. I am still alone on the second floor of Hanoi Airport.

They say everyone should at least see the sun come up every once in awhile. I forgot how beautiful everything and how peaceful it is at this time of the day. Seems like everything can start anew, a begining to all things and all things are possible. I am still alone on the second floor of Hanoi Airport.

In a few hours, I will be in Vientiane, unknown of to whats waiting for me. Excited and hopeful. In a few hours, I will be with families and friends again... and in a few hours, I will set foot on Laos. If only my other life was like this, if only I could know exactly who I was and where I was going... I am still alone on the second floor of Hanoi Airport.

I guess I will go find something to eat before my flight at 9:00.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 24, 2013, 11:06:19 AM
Sabaidee from Vientiane, Laos...

It is 10:00 PM in Vientiane, Laos... sitting in my hotel room, Douang Deuane Hotel.

This is a video of the same hotel and similiar room to mine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VX1sjMAHcY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VX1sjMAHcY#)

So, to recap everyone. I got to Vientiane at 11:15 yesterday. My plane was on time and the flight from Hanoi to Vientiane was about 1 hour, barely enough time for the stewardess to serve us some drinks. Basically, we went up in the air, got a drink of soda, water, or juice... and then we landed. It was that fast.

I did not have my Visa, so I had to get a Visa on Entry. Cost about 35 dollars and it was fairly easy and fast. The Customs Guard took be aside and asked 20.00 because he saw that I have a laptop bag. I gave him 20.00 and was on my way out the door.

The first breath of Lao air was incredible... full of fragrance mix with flowers, grass, and car flumes. It is hard to discribe, but like a welcome sign that I was back in Laos again. I miss it and it felt so good to breath it in again. Waiting for me was my cousin and his young wife. We hugged and they took me to my hotel. We ate some lunch they brought, boiled chicken, (kimchee) sour greens?, and some bbq pork I purchased from a street vendor. It was a very good meal with friends. After lunch at my hotel room, we walked over to the "Morning Market". I bought some clothes for my nieces, my cousin has two daughters. I also brought them their bus tickets home... and they promptly left me after we had some PHO for dinner.

I came back to my hotel alone and slept for about an hour, at around 7:00 PM, I walked down to the Mekong River Bank for the Night Market. There were many vendors... some had clothing, arts, crafts, jewelry and more food. Head one of vendor playing "Gangnam Style", for a moment, I thought of home and it brought a smile to my face. I walked a little further down and saw some girls that I believe were Hmong. There we about 4-5 of them, all laughing and seems to be having a good time. Again, I smiled but did not speak. I walked some more and came upon some Hmong vendors who had "flower cloths" and Hmong hand bags... again I did not speak and just smile. The was a cool breeze in the air and the sun had just set over the Mekong, it was quit beautiful.

I found a bar near the river with some Lao/Thai music playing, I bought a Lao Beer and had a drink. It was cold and it was refreshing. A couple of the Lao girls came over and spoke to me in broken English and asked where I was staying and what I was doing in Vientiane. I told them I was on vacation and I was at a hotel nearby. Very pretty girls... and very friendly. I finished my beer and walked over to the Fruit stands and purchased 1 Kg of logon and some bottle water to bring back to my hotel room. Got back to my hotel room around 9:00 and sleep for a few hours... then got up at the crack of dawn. It is hard for me to sleep in a new place and a new bed. The bed was extra firm and the new smell make me uncomfortable.

I walked down to the street after getting dressed and found a Pho vendor and ate... 10.000 kip for breakfast. Food portions in Laos are alot small by USA standards, but I did not mind because my stomach did not settle well and I was not very hungry... So, early and for the first time, I am feeling alone again.

After Breakfast, I walked over to Anu Savali... it was still very cool and a short walk from my hotel. As it was a weekend, the kids were out of school and it seems like the hang out place for everyone. I bought a soda and just people watch for about an hour. At around noon, with the sun beating down on me, I walked back to the "Morning Market" and did some more shopping. I bought a Portable DVD player as a gift for my Grandmom, it was about 50 bucks, 15 in. I also bought some DVD... mostly Disney Cartoons, Transformer, Lord of the Rings, Spiderman and Batman... all were 5000-7000 each.. or a little less than a dollar.

I ate some lunch on the 3rd floor and walked back to my Hotel. For some reason, I was very tired, I am sure it was jetlag and the time difference that got to me... I slept for 3 hours and got up with a huge headache. That should teach me for sleeping during the day!

I can't believe how friendly the Hmong girls at the Morning Market were... I was alone and everyone of them had a smile and asked who I was and where I was staying and for how long... it was good to just have a conversation again. It was good not to feel lonely anymore.

During the evening, I walked down to the "Night Market" again, hoping to find the Lao girls again at the Bar, but they were gone. A new group of girls were there and a set of new faces... I meet a couple vacationing for Norway who spoke English and we had a beer. Watching the sunset over the Mekong, listening to Lao music, and just taking it all it. I want to be here forever, I feel like I belong. Here, I know exactly who I am. Here, I feel like I belong.

Tomorrow... I going to take a bus to KM52 to visit my Grandmom. Wish all you guys were here!

LHG




Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on March 24, 2013, 09:06:36 PM
is that girl in the video your laos girlfriend? ;D

Looks like somebody is hook on Laos haha.  But I don't blame you, when i went tp Thailand and laost for a few months a few years back, I had the best times of my life!!!  I don't regret nothing about it, I missed those times so much.  Im married now, I can't do it anymore.  It's only a blast when you're still single, so enjoy all you can while you're still single.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: PRINCESS. on March 24, 2013, 09:23:01 PM
Awesome LHG, I hope you're enjoying yourself. Sometimes you don't need a destination, goal, or reason. You just pick a path and go along for the ride just because. Reading your updates make me miss traveling. I haven't left home in awhile.


Not all those who wander are lost.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 25, 2013, 12:10:50 AM
is that girl in the video your laos girlfriend? ;D

Looks like somebody is hook on Laos haha.  But I don't blame you, when i went tp Thailand and laost for a few months a few years back, I had the best times of my life!!!  I don't regret nothing about it, I missed those times so much.  Im married now, I can't do it anymore.  It's only a blast when you're still single, so enjoy all you can while you're still single.

Hey Baddabing! I was jus thinking about you and your famous CHEAP GIRLS in Laos! I could of used one of them last night!!! HAHAHAHA

Seriously, thanks for checking on me. I wish you were here, we could be shutting this town down! Anyways, thanks for the well wishes.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 25, 2013, 12:12:09 AM
Awesome LHG, I hope you're enjoying yourself. Sometimes you don't need a destination, goal, or reason. You just pick a path and go along for the ride just because. Reading your updates make me miss traveling. I haven't left home in awhile.


Not all those who wander are lost.

Hey Princess... Thanks for the well wishes and kind words.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 25, 2013, 12:34:59 AM
Last Day, Last minutes in Vientiane!!!

Today, this morning will be my last day in Vientiane. I will be checking out of this HOTEL in a few minutes and will be taking a bus to see my Grandmother in KM52.

Got up with the sun this morning... or a little before the sun actually. I walked down to the street and jogged for about 3 miles along the Mekong River. I have always liked running, metaphorically speaking, running from my troubles. But as I am older, I realize, all the trouble/obstacles in my way ARE my life. They are apart of me and they are what makes me who I am. For better or for worst, I am thankful for the lessons in my life.

I came back to the Hotel, took a hot shower (probably my last hot shower for awhile) and went down the street to have breakfast. Breakfast was a loaf of bread with condense milk and a cup of coffee. Still, my stomach has not settle and I am not very hungry. There were very few people on the River today, as it was a school day and most of the kids were at school. I took some pictures of the River and try to imagine what it must like 30 years ago when my parents had to cross this river. I try to imagine what it must be like on that faithful night, when my parents rented a speed boat and begged a Lao couple to help my family cross the river... I can only imagine the fear my parents must have felt, carrying 2 small childrens on their backs and all their possessions in one bag. I can only imagine the desperation my parents felt, the need to survive, the need to give my sister and I a better life. At that every moment, before they step on that boat to cross the Mekong, I wonder if my parents could have imagine the incredible journeys ahead of them... the journey to Thailand, living in Ban Vanai, then settling in the USA. I wonder if this was all planned....

My own journey is still ahead of me, my part in this story has not ended and I am hopeful for tomorrow.

I am leaving for the bus station now... I will update you all if and when I on the net again. Until then...

Happy Travels,

LHG



Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on March 25, 2013, 11:50:13 AM
LHG, sounds like you're having yourself an awesome time so far!  The hotel you stayed at, i was wondering if it was close to Xay Soun Boun & Ca Lurn Xai hotel.  Those are the hotels I stayed at during my time in Vientiane.  It took me about 2 days to get used to the sewage-like smell in Vientiane.  The smell gave me a pretty bad migrane at first.

You should visit the morning market @ 4am.  It was an awesome experience for me see vendors of all sorts bring in their goods to sale for the day. But i guess you wont be doing that since you're going to KM52. lol.

Speaking of KM52, if you happen to stay at the Hmong motel, Xeng XaVan.  Just down the road from the KM52 market, you should say hi to a girl name KaBao Vang for me. Lol.  She works the lobby in that hotel and i've gotten to know her during my previous trip there. Just ask her if she rememebers the guy who she took out for some sour fish @ Dao Tao. :P

The motel  Xeng XaVan was pretty nice, but it kinda stinked as well.  Before coming back to the USA i discovered another motel that just opened up which had brand new matress and sheets and everything.  You should check out Motel/guest house, SALAK.  Up the street from the KM52 market. 

Stay safe, have fun, and Keep us posted on your trip.  O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 25, 2013, 08:52:51 PM
LHG, sounds like you're having yourself an awesome time so far!  The hotel you stayed at, i was wondering if it was close to Xay Soun Boun & Ca Lurn Xai hotel.  Those are the hotels I stayed at during my time in Vientiane.  It took me about 2 days to get used to the sewage-like smell in Vientiane.  The smell gave me a pretty bad migrane at first.

You should visit the morning market @ 4am.  It was an awesome experience for me see vendors of all sorts bring in their goods to sale for the day. But i guess you wont be doing that since you're going to KM52. lol.

Speaking of KM52, if you happen to stay at the Hmong motel, Xeng XaVan.  Just down the road from the KM52 market, you should say hi to a girl name KaBao Vang for me. Lol.  She works the lobby in that hotel and i've gotten to know her during my previous trip there. Just ask her if she rememebers the guy who she took out for some sour fish @ Dao Tao. :P

The motel  Xeng XaVan was pretty nice, but it kinda stinked as well.  Before coming back to the USA i discovered another motel that just opened up which had brand new matress and sheets and everything.  You should check out Motel/guest house, SALAK.  Up the street from the KM52 market. 

Stay safe, have fun, and Keep us posted on your trip.  O0

Hey Buddy! Good to hear from you, across the ocean, across mountains and across borders! I will go visit Kabao!! LOL, I hope she gives me the same treatment she gave you. LOL... just kidding!

Thanks for checking on me! Wish you were here!

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 25, 2013, 08:57:28 PM
Good Morning All – I just went back and re-read some of my entries and I am sorry about all the misspellings and grammar errors. In my mind, I had a story to tell and in my mind, I knew exactly what I was trying to convey to everyone, but it would seem that did not happen. I apologize. I know I am not a very good writer and I was very tired from jetlag, but those should not be excuses for such poor writing. I am sorry; I will try to do better.

So…to catch everyone up to speed on where I am, I left Vientiane 2 days ago. I caught the 2:00 PM bus to KM52, a town that got its’ name from being exactly 52 Kilometers away from the city of Vientiane.

The bus ride from Vientiane to KM52 in of itself was uneventful, other than the fact that we left later than scheduled. One thing to always keep in mind when traveling in Laos is that schedules can change at a moment’s notice and often do. Our bus was schedule to leave at 2:00 PM, but we did not leave until almost 2:30 because we did not have enough passengers. There was only one way to get from Vientiane to KM52, Highway 13.  This main road runs from Vientiane to KM52 and to all parts north like Vang Vieng, Luang Prabang, and Phonsavan. In Laos, the number 13 does not hold the same superstitions and connotations as it does here in the USA. In Laos, it is just another road. Small towns dot Highway 13, with some homes and businesses built within inches of the busy traffic. Kids, pedestrians, animals, speeding cars and motorcycles, all are within inches of each other and all without the slightest conflict. I am sure this is normal for them and that my cause for concern is unwarranted.

I grabbed a sit in the front of the bus, mainly because of habit and because I wanted a view of the road ahead. As a kid, I got car sick easily and having a seat at the front with a view of the horizon helped out a lot.  Fortunately for me, as I grew older, my motion sickness subsided. Sitting next to me in the front row was a Laotian lady, she smiled as she sat down but we did not speak. Across the isle from me sat two young Laotian men, who I believe were good friends. Directly behind me were a young Hmong girl and her mother…  and the two of them carried a conversation during the entire trip to KM52.

Despite my best efforts to drum out the conversation between the young Hmong girl and her mother, and to only mind my own business, their dialogue drew me in. As it turns out, the young girl is engage to an American husband and her business in Vientiane was an interview with the American Consulate for a Fiancée Visa. For reasons not known to me, she did not pass her interview and did not receive permission to enter the USA. Her and her mother lived in KM52 and are on their way home after hearing the disappointing news. She was in tears and her mother, like most mothers, was trying her hardest to console her child who seem to be in great pain. I wanted to say something, but I could neither find the courage nor the right words to say. So, I kept silent.

As I sat there watching the beautiful road ahead of me, I am constantly reminded of the slow pace of life in Laos. The road is littered with cows and some occasionally stops in the middle of the road while crossing it, while trying to find greener pasture on the other side. The bus driver had to slow down often and used his horn many times. Water buffalos wallow in the empty rice fields, which were harvested months ago, and soaking in knee high mud. There was a fruit or Vegetable stall at every corner and turn in the road, with their owners taking naps inside. Banana leaves and coconut tress swayed in the distance. Suddenly,  I felt calm and peace again, suddenly, I knew why I have come back. And suddenly, memories of the sleepless from the days before melted away. I took a depth breath and I closed my eyes to take in the grandeur of this moment. I was in Laos again.

I arrived in KM52 a little before 4:00 PM; the trip took a little over an hour. The main KM52 bus terminal is located in the heart of town and sits directly behind the main market. We came to a stop, the doors swung open and a warm humid breeze rushed in. Everyone shuffled out, carrying only what they have brought in with them. I grab my laptop bag and my carry-on and step into the hot sun. Again, I wanted to say something to the young Hmong girl and her mom, but instead, I kept quite as they walked away and out of sight. Thankfully, my cousins had taken the 2 large suitcases filled with gifts and toys with them a few days earlier. It would have been a lot of work trying to carry 4 suitcases by myself. First priority after getting off the bus was to get to a Cell Phone vendor and purchase a SIM card… before my trip; I had hacked into my IPHONE and needed to get a SIM card so I can be on Laos’s phone network. I found a phone vendor on the other side of KM52 market and purchase a SIM card for 40,000 kip or about 8 dollars. I also purchased a phone card for 10,000 kip so I can call my cousin to pick me up, I was in town.

My cousins are still very poor, even by Laos’ standards. He and his family of 5 lives in a modest 2 bedroom house made mostly of bamboo sitting on a dirt floor. The house is located down a dirt road away from the Highway 13 on the north side of KM52, a good 15 minutes by scooter from KM52 Market. This house sits among 5-6 other houses, all without order and all with dirt paths leading to their front doors. On either sides of his house are sugar canes, bananas and papayas. In the back of the house is where they keep their chickens and a large pig that’s locked in his pen. Firewood is stacked neatly on the side of the house and there are cloths lines nearby where they can hang their freshly washed laundry. There is a communal water well about 30 yards away this is shared by all 6 houses and is their only source of water.

I arrived to a full house, about 15-20 people all cram into my cousin’s small home, a house that is no bigger than my living room. Everyone, it seemed, was staring and smiling at me. A hug here, a handshake there, everyone greeted me and not a single eye was dry. I opened the 2 large suitcases and passed the gifts I had, trying to remember exactly who got what. Everyone got something and soon both suitcases were empty. Everyone was so thankful and everyone had a smile, something that I rarely seen Hmong-Lao do. That night, I ate with people, I had conversations with friends, and I slept knowing that there were love ones nearby. It was good to be in Laos and to be with family again.

Until my next trip to the internet café…. Happy travels.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on March 26, 2013, 08:55:10 AM
Hey Baddabing! I was jus thinking about you and your famous CHEAP GIRLS in Laos! I could of used one of them last night!!! HAHAHAHA

Seriously, thanks for checking on me. I wish you were here, we could be shutting this town down! Anyways, thanks for the well wishes.

LHG

Traveling is the best medicine for life and best fun you can have. 

enjoy. :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on March 26, 2013, 09:43:54 AM
how exciting!  hope all is well in Laos LNH. 

i'm very excited for my mil and her friends... they will be going to Vietnam and Laos in a few weeks!  they are so very excited!!  they will be there for almost a month.   life is so much more exciting with adventures! 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Dok_Champa on March 26, 2013, 11:59:34 AM
It's very nice of you to bring us Phers along on your trip.. Thru your eyes, we've learned much too.  I've people who wanted to travel soon to Laos and i've researched on air fare, they are expensive.  Did you get a good rate on yours?  Did you go thru an agent?

Have a safe trip..
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 26, 2013, 07:22:09 PM
Traveling is the best medicine for life and best fun you can have. 

enjoy. :)

Travelling???!!!, I am moving here! hehehehe.

Thanks for the well wishes.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 26, 2013, 07:23:19 PM
how exciting!  hope all is well in Laos LNH. 

i'm very excited for my mil and her friends... they will be going to Vietnam and Laos in a few weeks!  they are so very excited!!  they will be there for almost a month.   life is so much more exciting with adventures!

AOZ -

I am doing great! Thanks for asking. Yes, life is about enjoying the simple things!

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 26, 2013, 07:30:22 PM
It's very nice of you to bring us Phers along on your trip.. Thru your eyes, we've learned much too.  I've people who wanted to travel soon to Laos and i've researched on air fare, they are expensive.  Did you get a good rate on yours?  Did you go thru an agent?

Have a safe trip..

Hey Champa... This song reminds me of your name. Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-My3jHtuu_8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-My3jHtuu_8#)

For this trip, I did not use a travel agent. I went thru Vayama.com. Here are the details.

SFO to ICN, ICN to HAN, HAN to VTE

San Francisco to Korean, Korean to Hanoi, Hanoi to Vientiane, with a 10 hour layover in Hanoi.

Price   Ticket Type
 1 Adult(s) $ 762.00 
Taxes and Fees $ 147.70  
Service Credit Discount $ -50.00 
 
Total $ 859.70 USD
   Electronic Tickets (Note: Your ticket should be issued as electronic. If for any reason we must issue Paper Tickets, we will notify you in advance.) 
 
 Charges on your credit card
Vayama $ 859.70 USD   
I got a 50.00 dollar coupon by going to Vayama.com and filling out a customer survey. I only paid 859.70, flying out of San Francisco. It may be more if you're in the midwest.

Good luck and Happy Travels,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: PRINCESS. on March 26, 2013, 07:31:42 PM
I arrived to a full house, about 15-20 people all cram into my cousin’s small home, a house that is no bigger than my living room. Everyone, it seemed, was staring and smiling at me. A hug here, a handshake there, everyone greeted me and not a single eye was dry. I opened the 2 large suitcases and passed the gifts I had, trying to remember exactly who got what. Everyone got something and soon both suitcases were empty. Everyone was so thankful and everyone had a smile, something that I rarely seen Hmong-Lao do. That night, I ate with people, I had conversations with friends, and I slept knowing that there were love ones nearby. It was good to be in Laos and to be with family again.

Until my next trip to the internet café…. Happy travels.

LHG

Gosh darnit, who is cutting onions?   :'(

Thanks for sharing that.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 26, 2013, 07:32:37 PM
Good Morning my PH Brothers and Sisters… I hope everyone is well this fine day.

So, I have been here in KM52 for two days now. Mornings are cool, afternoons are hot but not humid and the evenings are warm and comfortable. Every morning, I am up with the rosters. With so little time, I would hate to waste it on sleep. There is so much going on and I feel like I want to take it all in.

There is no other way to describe it, I love KM52. Even since my first visit here, I am fascinated with this town. Yesterday morning, I put on my jogging shoes and ran 2.5 miles to the KM52 market. It was an amazing site to see what everyone brought to sale at the market… old ladies with baskets of roots on their backs, young Hmong girls pushing hand carts full of vegetables, and mothers with their kids, carrying bundles of greens.

I stop by an old Hmong lady and her daughter, they were selling pineapples and sour mangos. The sweet smell attracted my attention, the pineapple that is NOT the girl. As I leaned over to take a sniff of the spinney fruit, the old lady smiled at me. We traded greetings and she asked if I like pineapples. Having had tart pineapples in the States before, I was reluctant to answer her. But I guess I a sucker for a pretty face because her daughter smiled and that was all the convincing I needed. Having turned my attention and conversation to the daughter, she told me that they started out at 5:00 AM and had walked all morning to get to the market. Whether this was true or not, the guilt was getting to me. I quickly pulled the emergency money I kept in my sweaty armband and asked her how much each pineapple was.

“8,000 kip”, she said with a bright smile on her face.

They only had a dozen or so of the pineapples…so, I told her I would take 5 and handed her my 50,000 kip bill. There is a lesson to be learned here, if you’re out jogging and see a pretty girl selling pineapples, think about how you’re going to carry 5 pineapples for 2.5 miles… BEFORE you buy them. It took me almost an hour to get home.

The old lady was right about the pineapples, they were very sweet!

At noon today, I will be heading to Nong Hai, another town with a large Hmong population. The trip is about 4 hours from here and I will be visiting my aunt there.

Talk to you all again when I get settle down!

LHG.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 26, 2013, 07:45:49 PM
Gosh darnit, who is cutting onions?   :'(

Thanks for sharing that.

Hey Princess, No tears! Only good memories and good friends.

I don't know you very well, do you have family in Laos? Have you been here before?

It was a pleasure sharing with you and I am glad you took the time to read it. Everything written here is from the heart.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Visionary on March 27, 2013, 10:42:07 AM
LHG,

You write beautifully. I enjoy your reading about your adventures. Keep it up!  8)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 27, 2013, 05:01:33 PM
LHG,

You write beautifully. I enjoy your reading about your adventures. Keep it up!  8)

Visionary - thanks for stopping by and thank you for taking the time to read them, appreciate the feedbacks.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 27, 2013, 05:02:11 PM
Good Morning my PH Family…

Greetings from the town of Nong Hai, or is it None Hai? However it is spelled, it is a beautiful small town surrounded by vast fields of rice patties and rolling green hills. It is actually cold this morning. It is still dark outside but the sun is trying to come thru… and more importantly, my internet connection is up today.

My cousin, who had nothing better to do, had decided to come with me on my trip to None Hai… I wanted the company and needed a translator. We walked down the dirt road from his house to Route 13 and waited for our transportation . My cousin waved down an old Toyota Truck, which had been converted to accommodate bench seats and a roof covering the back but had no doors or windows. There was a Laotian sign on the front of the truck said “NONE HAI”. Already inside the truck were 2 Laotian ladies and a middle age Laotian man, an old Hmong man, and a young Hmong mother and her son, all heading in the direction of None Hai.

The bench seats were firm and the ride is bumpy in some parts. Having grabbed a seat that was facing the sun, I reach over to pull the cloth screen for some shade. Now with shade from the bright sun, I noticed a look of concern on the young Hmong woman’s face and that her child was slumping over, not at all active like a child of his age should be. Her nails were dirty and her hands were rough and coarse, evidence of her hard life, I assumed. She wore a Lao skirt that had numerous mending and a dark blouse that had been washed too many times. On her feet was a pair of tattered sandals. The small boy had dark circles around his eyes and there was evidence of tape marks on his arm.

I smiled and asked the young mother where she was heading. She told me they were on their way home, after spending the last 3 days in a hospital near KM52. The small clinic in her village was inadequate to treat her sick son she told me. Her son had a stone in his gallbladder and has not been able to eat in days. The hospital in KM52 released them because she was out of money and that the child seemed to be doing better. I told her I was sorry, which seem to be of very little comfort to a worried mother… my happy mood from earlier was now gone.

None Hai is directly west of KM52 as shown on any map. However, there are no direct roads heading west. You must travel up Highway 13 for about an hour, just before the town of Hin Heup, before turning west and making a huge U turn down to reach None Hai. For those that can remember, the bridge at Hin Heup is where a large group of Hmong people died, while trying to flee Laos in the last days of the Vietnam War. As a child, I remember my father telling me this story about a group of Hmong refugees, trying to flee Laos, trying to follow Vang Pao into Thailand. A group of Hmong soldiers, one that supported the communist party, had set up a road block at Hin Heup and was guarding the bridge. The refugees were told to turn back and go back to their homes and when they refused, they were fired upon and many were killed. My father also went on to say, our family crossed the Hin Heup Bridge just the day before the massacre occurred, an undertaking I am most thankful for til this day.

The road leading west towards None Hai, away from the Hin Heup Bridge, is only partially paved and can be very dusty in some areas. We travelled for another hour before we came to a large town with a rest stop. The name of the town eludes me now, but everyone said we were about half way to None Hai. Everyone exited the truck, except for the young Hmong mother and her son.

My cousin and I walked over to the food section of this rest stop to stretch our legs and to see what there was for sale. I purchased 2 sodas, a kilo of the BBQ pork, some sticky rice and 2 bottles of water before heading back to our truck. The driver was already waving us in as the last few people finished using the bathrooms. I handed the young Hmong mother the BBQ pork, sticky rice and bottle waters. An uneasy smile came across her face as she said thank you, her voice trembled. At that very moment, I could only think of my own son and knotted my head in reply. The young mother and her son exited at the next town.

Today, I will explore the town of None Hai; perhaps visit the hills and farms nearby.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SleeplessBeauty on March 27, 2013, 06:46:22 PM
Thank you for sharing your journey with us back at home. You write beautifully and through your words, I was able to travel with you and see the proverty in our hmong people. Makes me appreciate what I have here more.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: PRINCESS. on March 27, 2013, 06:51:48 PM
Hey Princess, No tears! Only good memories and good friends.

I don't know you very well, do you have family in Laos? Have you been here before?

It was a pleasure sharing with you and I am glad you took the time to read it. Everything written here is from the heart.

LHG

Formerly PRINCESS. here.

Well, most of my immediate family members immigrated to the states before 1979. I wasn't born yet. I really have no desire to visit Laos and I've been given many opportunities to. However after reading through your blog, I do feel like I owe it to my dad and the ppl who sacrificed their lives to get us here. It's a big part of our history and perhaps I will visit one day.

Thanks for the updates. I enjoy reading them.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 28, 2013, 12:55:19 PM
Thank you for sharing your journey with us back at home. You write beautifully and through your words, I was able to travel with you and see the proverty in our hmong people. Makes me appreciate what I have here more.

Thank you Sleepless... first time blogging. I am glad you enjoy it. Thank you.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 28, 2013, 12:56:31 PM
Formerly PRINCESS. here.

Well, most of my immediate family members immigrated to the states before 1979. I wasn't born yet. I really have no desire to visit Laos and I've been given many opportunities to. However after reading through your blog, I do feel like I owe it to my dad and the ppl who sacrificed their lives to get us here. It's a big part of our history and perhaps I will visit one day.

Thanks for the updates. I enjoy reading them.

Hey Princess...

Yes... There are many sides to Laos, but I am sure you knew this already. I do hope you can come here someday.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 28, 2013, 12:57:52 PM
Good Evening PH… Hope all is well tonight, it’s almost midnight!

This is my second trip to None Hai, a town that is quite remote in terms of location and accessibility. Most Hmong-Americans either avoid this area or does not know about it, which is a shame. None Hai is very beautiful and much more lay back than KM52, Phonsavan or Luang Prabang. The town of None Hai itself is small and sits in a valley surrounded by lush green hills, rivers and streams. Rainy season starts at the end of April and lasts goes until the end of August. About 90 percent of the Hmong here still farms, either in the rice patties or on the hills nearby. The soil is dark and rich, perfect for rice cultivation. In fact, the fields and surrounding hills here are some of the most fertile soil in Laos.

My aunt, who I am currently visiting, lives in a small village just north of None Hai. She and her family of 6 have been here for about 8 years now. Her family decided to move here from Xieng Khoung, when her husband could no longer find suitable farmland in Phonsavan. The soil in Phonsavan is sandy and poor in nutrients, her husband told me, and a typical plot of land is only good for one growing season.

My aunt’s house sits on the main road leading into None Hai, a location that’s less than perfect she tells me. During the dry season, heavy trucks come and go during all hours of the day, kicking up dust and dirt to a point where it is almost unbearable. As evident, all the nearby trees, bushes and homes have a thick layer of dirt, like fresh fallen snow in winter.

This morning, I was up at the crack of dawn. Not wanting to fall off my diet, I decided to go for a run. I ran for 30 minutes before returning home, just as the kids in my aunt’s village were walking to school. I must stick out like a sore thumb because everyone had a strange smile on their face; no one in Laos goes running just to run. In Laos, you’re only running if you’re in trouble or if your life depended on it, a fact my aunt later told me. On my way back, I was thirsty and stopped by a small shop on the side of the road. There were 3-4 shops that sold exactly the same items, but the store closest to home caught my attention. Again, it was the pretty face that attracted my attention… the shopkeeper was a young Hmong women, her name is May Vang.

Miss Vang is 23 years old, a recent divorcee of two years. Her family still lives in Phonsavan and her ex husband is from KM52. After her divorce, she settled in this small town and started her shop. In her shop, she sold cola, candy, canned tuna, shampoo, soap, frozen popsicles, phone cards, and sandals. She looked young for her age but is very mature in her ways. She seemed confident in her situation and happy with life… all qualities I find attractive in a women. Our initial greeting turned into a lengthy debate on life, love and family… I like this lady.   

More to come tomorrow… Good night all!

Oh… btw, for the geeks on PH, I am using an usb dongle tethered to laptop for Internet access. I purchase the dongle for 50.00 US dollars in KM52. Please note that the dongle uses Lao’s Unitel Wireless Phone network and is extremely slow during the day. After 10:00 PM and before 6:00 AM, it is bearable. Otherwise, it is painfully slow!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on March 28, 2013, 02:19:33 PM
I agree.  I think you should include the girls you meet along the way in your writings more...and share with readers your feelings at the moment for each and everyone of them. 

Keep  readers glued to your journey/journal by adding a love story or stories.   O0 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 28, 2013, 09:19:20 PM
LHG, I hope you find love in Laos. Perhaps, this is the very reason why it keeps on calling you back, as I have stated to you before that sometimes FATE bring two people on the opposite of the world as ONE. Good luck and I hope you are happy.  ;)

TH or is it Sunrise? Is this you?

I am a hopeless romantic... but I know nothing can happen here, not in such a short time. It would be foolish to think otherwise. I am happy that I am here again, and for me that is enough right now.

LHG

PS - if you're Sunrise.... I still have hopes for us!

PPS - you have a block on my PMs... I can't reply.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 28, 2013, 09:24:27 PM
I agree.  I think you should include the girls you meet along the way in your writings more...and share with readers your feelings at the moment for each and everyone of them. 

Keep  readers glued to your journey/journal by adding a love story or stories.   O0 ;D ;D

Hey AOZ,

It was not my intent to turn this blog into a search for my bride. I am sorry if I gave anyone that impression. Like I said earlier, it would be foolish of me to think that love can come in such a short time. I am just thankful for my time here and I am going to live every minute of it.

I will try my best to update my stories, but don't be disappointed if nothing romantic happens.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 28, 2013, 09:25:23 PM
May Vang, part 2

May grew up in a poor family she told me. She is the oldest child with 4 brothers and 1 sister behind her. While living in Phonsavan, her family grew rice for a living, but there was never rice enough to last the year. Out of desperation, her father started to sell opium and meth to support the family. But eventually he became addicted to the drugs he was selling, she explained. His addiction made him careless and he was caught selling drugs, her father is currently in jail.

A few of the girls that May grew up with ended up working at the “local bars” and “hotels” she told me. You can either work for 35,000 kip a day harvesting rice or earn 100,000 kip an hour working at the bars, she explain, which would you rather do? So, hoping to escape their fate, she got married at 16, she told me. Her husband became abusive after their first year of marriage, claiming she was unfaithful to him, also that she could not conceive a child. In her defense, she said it was not her fault. He also drank, gamble and was rarely home to help with household chores.

During her 5 years or so marriage to him, she ran back to her family many times, seeking help. However without her father and any support from her relatives, she was forced to return each time. Two years ago, her ex husband came home drunk and beat her, sending her to the hospital for 3 day. Her uncle in America took pity on her and returned her bride price to her ex-husband. That was 2 years ago, she said with sorrow and regret in her voice.

We spent the rest of the afternoon talking and laughing… May has a great sense of humor and a great outlook on life, a stark contrast to her upbringing. Adversity can do one of two things to us, it can make us very bitter and resentful or it can make us thankful and happy. Unfortunately, most of us will fall into the bitter category.

Today, my aunt is taking us to visit the limestone caves nearby… I will see if May wants to come.

Talk to you all soon… LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: boO on March 28, 2013, 09:49:35 PM
Tuning in to read updates on may vang and LHG..
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 29, 2013, 09:40:58 AM
May Vang Part 3,
We packed the whole family into the family car (“thseb liaj”), basically a converted plowing machine pulling a large cart and had long handle bars for steering. There were no breaks, only a clutch and the thing only had one speed.  We headed north for the Limestone Caves in the town of Phalueng (Hope this is the right spelling). It’s about an hours drive, a good pace for this hard working machine.

As soon as we got to the caves, May and I became separated from the rest of the group. We found a quite spot underneath some tall grass and lay down a blanket May had brought with her. She sat next to me with my arms firming around her waist. I reached over hoping to steal a kiss on the cheek, I could not wait any longer, the anticipation was killing me. I wanted to kiss her lips the very moment I saw her. To my surprise, she happen to look up at the same time and our lips locked in what seem like the most amazing kiss of my life… Heaven it seemed can exist on earth.

That sounded pretty good, didn’t it? But sorry to disappoint you AOZ and Boo, but what I just wrote did not happen. It was all in my mind… LOL.

May did come with come with us to visit the Caves in Phalueng, but we stayed as a group during the whole time. Occasionally, May would grab a hold of my hands and I would hold hers, but only because it was dark and slippery in some places. The caves themselves are very special, amazing to look at. Some paths were narrow and cramp, while other locations were open and wide with stalactites and stalagmites hanging all around. Definitely worth a look next time you’re in None Hai.

After an hour in the caves, we came back out and had a picnic under a shaded tree near the entrance. We had boiled chickens with rice in cold water. There were sour greens my aunt had made and a couple of bbq fish. We all ate, laughed and smiled happily… I thought to myself, why can’t I live here, maybe I was only fooling myself, but at  that moment, I felt like I truly belong.  It was grand.

Well, I am tired, so tired I can barely keep my eyes open. So, I will catch up with you all tomorrow morning. May and I have a date, we’re going shopping in None Hai.
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Post by: Gawmp on March 29, 2013, 10:01:04 AM
LHG - I have travelled that road from KM52 to Non Hai, and I have to say...certain part of the road really is bumpy. My head would always be hitting the frame of the canopy, but it was memorable in the sense that all the bumping was what I remembered from the trip to Non Hai.

Have fun and holding May's hand in dark caves must be awesome  ;D
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Post by: yoursunrise4ever on March 29, 2013, 01:59:57 PM
TH or is it Sunrise? Is this you?

I am a hopeless romantic... but I know nothing can happen here, not in such a short time. It would be foolish to think otherwise. I am happy that I am here again, and for me that is enough right now.

LHG

PS - if you're Sunrise.... I still have hopes for us!

PPS - you have a block on my PMs... I can't reply.

I fixed now. You can write to me. Good night my sweet Lonely Hmong man.
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Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 29, 2013, 05:02:53 PM
LHG - I have travelled that road from KM52 to Non Hai, and I have to say...certain part of the road really is bumpy. My head would always be hitting the frame of the canopy, but it was memorable in the sense that all the bumping was what I remembered from the trip to Non Hai.

Have fun and holding May's hand in dark caves must be awesome  ;D

Gawmp... Yes, the ride from KM52 to None Hai is bumpy and very dusty this time of the year. Do you have relatives in None Hai?

LHG
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Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 29, 2013, 05:03:30 PM
This is one of my favorite songs by a band called Green Day from Berkley, California. The melodies is simple and the words are basic, yet its' message is genuine and timeless. I hope you like it as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnQ8N1KacJc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnQ8N1KacJc#)

Another turning point, a fork stuck in the road
Time grabs you by the wrist, directs you where to go
So make the best of this test, and don't ask why
It's not a question, but a lesson learned in time

It's something unpredictable, but in the end is right,
I hope you had the time of your life.

So take the photographs, and still frames in your mind
Hang it on a shelf in good health and good time
Tattoos of memories and dead skin on trial
For what it's worth it was worth all the while

It's something unpredictable, but in the end is right,
I hope you had the time of your life.

As I lay in my bed this morning, looking at the holes in the ceiling of my aunt’s thatched house, I am reminded of something my physics professor once said… If we added up every grain of sand on earth, from every beach, from every ocean and sea, there would still be more stars in the sky.

If you stop to think about it for a minute, the universe does not revolve around us as much as we believe it may. Regardless of our view of ourselves and what problems we may be facing, everything pales in comparison when you consider how vast this universe really is. We are but a small piece of dust; a speck on a speck, times infinity. In reality, we don’t amount to a hill of beans in this world.

You can either be totally depressed after knowing this fact or it can free you and get you to think clearly about your life. The choice is yours… So here’s the conclusion I have reached for what it’s worth. I have only a very short time on a small, but beautiful planet. I have so many wonderful things at my disposal; people I that love, exotic places to visit, new things to learn every day, and incredible beauty all around me. Yes, sometimes shitty random things happen, and they interrupt my life. But I don’t want them to disrupt it any longer than they must. I want to savor and enjoy as much of life as I can. I don’t want to waste a minute worrying or thinking about problems. And I want to make this world a little bit better than I found it, before I leave. That’s all I know for sure and that’s what I intend to do. How about you?

May and I are heading to None Hai this morning… I borrowed my aunt’s scooter and we will be traveling alone. I feel like I am back in high school again and I am nervous as hell. I truly don’t remember the last time I took a girl out. Wish me luck.   
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Post by: yoursunrise4ever on March 29, 2013, 05:29:13 PM
I am super happy for you. You will have a great time with your date!
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Post by: Gawmp on March 30, 2013, 09:26:02 AM
Gawmp... Yes, the ride from KM52 to None Hai is bumpy and very dusty this time of the year. Do you have relatives in None Hai?

LHG

I actually do. Relatives from my mom's side of the family and from my wife's side. The majority of my immediate family is in Luang Prabang. On my next trip that is where I am heading.
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Post by: boO on March 30, 2013, 09:33:48 AM
LHG,

 :knuppel2:
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Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 30, 2013, 11:49:39 AM
I am super happy for you. You will have a great time with your date!

Sunrise... it's only a date in the sense that we're going somewhere together. Nothing will come of it, I am sure.

Thanks for the well wishes.

LHG
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Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 30, 2013, 11:52:32 AM
I actually do. Relatives from my mom's side of the family and from my wife's side. The majority of my immediate family is in Luang Prabang. On my next trip that is where I am heading.

Gawmp... I thought I saw someone who liked you in None Hai. LOL!

Very cool, you should come back during PbeeMai, I hear Luang Prabang is the place to be during this celebrations. Too bad, I will not make it up there this time.

Talk to you soon!

LHG
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Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 30, 2013, 11:53:03 AM
LHG,

 :knuppel2:

Boo! Why beat me up? LOL.

Thanks for stopping by.

LHG
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Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 30, 2013, 12:08:10 PM
Shopping with May in None Hai.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IovWdWSJ0mU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IovWdWSJ0mU#ws)

My buddy emails me this link today… he’s cracking up and says that I should view it. I will have to admit, it is pretty funny!

So I borrowed my aunt’s scooter, a Chinese made motorcycle that costs about 800.00 dollars new. The engine is rated at 100cc and it can go as fast as 20-30 miles per hour. However, I highly recommend you don’t try it. Most roads aren’t paved and loose gravel will send you crashing. For most Hmong families in Laos, a scooter is their fist major purchase and the sole transportation vehicle for the family. I have seen whole families, 4-5 people, all riding on one scooter to get somewhere.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Honda_Wave_customized.jpg)

May was already waiting outside her shop when I got to her house a little before 10. She had skinny jeans and a pink t-shirt on, her hair tied in a pony tail, she looked beautiful. The shirt read, “living the single life”, but I doubt she knew what the writings meant. I smiled and she step onboard. She wrapped her arms around waist and squeezed tight, a feeling I have not felt for so long. It felt good to be held again. Back when I was still in college, I used to pick up my ex-wife in the same way. Memories came rushing back to me, as she leaned her head on my back. The rush of the wind was a relief to what seem like a hot day ahead of us. There is no other way to describe it, but there is a freedom that comes with riding a motorcycle and only those that have ridden one can appreciates it.

From my aunt’s house to None Hai, it was a good 30 minutes as we did not rush and there was no urgent need to be there. The market at None Hai is very similar to the market in KM 52 in size and feel. Towards there front, you will find clothing, tools, shoes, cell phones, dishes and everyday household items. On the back end, they sell fruits, vegetables, meat and livestock. And finally, along the back wall are a couple of sit down restaurants where you can a bowl of pho. 

I needed a phone card for my internet connection, so our first stop was at the cell phone vendors near the front of the market. Next was a couple of t-shirts, souvenirs for my brothers back home. May is a very savvy shopper, a trait she must have picked up after being single and having to support herself for so long. Without her usual smile, she bargained down 4 shirts from 20,000 kip each to 15,000 each. Later, she told me the shopkeeper was trying to rip me off as she knew I was from America. 20,000 kip was only 3 dollars to me and I would have gladly paid the asking price, it didn’t seem a big deal to me. I asked May if she had ripped me off too, when she sold me that bottle water a few days earlier for 8,000 kip. She giggled and smiled.

After an hour or so of shopping and when it seemed like the whole market was staring and following us, we decided to sit down and have a bowl of pho… as we were walking back to our scooter; she reached out and held my hand. Her warm palm was so inviting and sincere. I giggled and smiled.

That’s it for today, it’s late and I am tired. So, good night and see you all tomorrow.

LHG
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Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 31, 2013, 01:29:37 AM
Good Morning PH… greetings from Laos!

Tomorrow will be my last day here in None Hai as I will be heading back to KM52. My grandmother wants me home because she has prepared a “hu plig” ceremony for me, a very special honor in Hmong culture I am told. I have mix feelings about leaving None Hai, a part of me truly wants to stay.

Life in None Hai is very easygoing, something that’s in short supply in my life right now. Each morning, everyone gathers around the fire as breakfast is being prepared. And each evening, all the little girls gather around the well, waiting for their turn to draw water. Mothers stop to gossip about the days work. Kids play with marbles in the streets. Is it so bad to live like this, I keep thinking to myself. If given the choice, would I want to live here? Could I survive here? Would I still love it here after a month or a year’s time? Or would I fall out of love like we sometime do? Perhaps, some questions are better left unanswered.

May invited me to her house for dinner after I dropped her off from our trip to None Hai market. I know I have only met this woman a few days ago, but it feels like we have been life long friends. I happily accepted her offer.

May lives in an attached room behind her store. There are no windows, just a door that leads to the bathroom in the back. Inside her room sits her bed, a large dresser, her TV and a small refrigerator.  Her dinning table is made of bamboo and hangs on her wall when not in use. May has an electric rice cooker and a small wooden stove that she uses for cooking and heat, she tells me. Hanging on her wall are pictures of her families and friends, her mother is just as pretty as her.

Not wanting to raise any suspension with her neighbors, May also invited her aunt and uncle to join us for dinner. I guess in Hmong culture, it’s forbidden for an unmarried woman to have dinner alone with a man. They were very nice people and were very easy to talk to. Without their help and guidance, it would have been impossible to launch her store, May told me. She loves and cares for them dearly. Dinner was simple but good; we had deep fried pork skin boiled with green vegetables, chicken with tofu and pumpkin boiled in water, served cold.

After dinner, her uncle and aunt left. We sat at her store and talked long into the night, like two teenage kids. Being with this woman gave me great peace. I will miss her.

Today, we are at my aunt’s farm, pulling “qos ntooj”. It’s hot and it’s hard work, but right now it is also lunch time and some needed rest. 

Talk to you soon,

LHG
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Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 31, 2013, 12:11:54 PM
Good Evening PH…    

Today was hot, the kind of heat that makes you lazy and slow, and if you stop to rest, getting up again seems almost impossible.

Here in None Hai, there are 3 types of crops that the Hmong peoples like to grow… qos ntooj (Manioc Root), Coix, and Rice. The manioc root and coix seed are considered “cash crops”, which means they are grown to be sold for money only. Rice, on the other hand, is grown for the family and only in very good years that any leftover are sold at the market. Most families will grow either Coix or Manioc root in addition to their rice farms. Some families, typically the larger and more ambitious families will grow all three in a single season. As you can already guess, this is very hard work and everyone must pitch in.

This year, in addition to her rice field, my aunt also grew some manioc roots. There is a modern tapioca factory just north of None Hai that buys the manioc roots. Prices range from 1800 to 2000 kip per kilo, not very much considering how much work was put into it. But in Laos, there are few opportunities to make money, so even backbreaking work is considered a blessing to some. We arrived at her farm in the same “thseb liaj” we used earlier to visit the caves. There were 10 of us in all, if you consider this slightly lazy American as part of the group. We worked from 7 in the morning until about 11, and then rested for a couple of hours to have lunch and escape the midday sun. Around 2, the work begins again and we were done by 5, just as the sun was starting to set in the west. I have never worked so hard in my life, pulling, digging and carrying manioc roots all day long.

Strange as it might sound, I enjoyed the manual labor; I might even go as far as to say I loved it. In my office back in the States, I sit in front of a PC for 8 hours with an hour for lunch in between. My only contact with people is an occasion hi or hello in the hallways, while emails and phone calls are the norm. I have a window that looks into the parking lot, there’s not a blade of grass or a clump of dirt. I can’t tell if it is hot or cold and I can’t smell the fresh air. My feet are never dirty. When I go home, my work comes with me in the pages and texts that I am constantly receiving on my phone. Sometimes, I wonder, who is truly living the good life, them or us?

As soon as we got home, I ran over to visit May. She was getting ready to close up shop and smiled an uneasy smile as she greeted me. She noticed the blisters on my hands and asked how I was doing. I wanted to tell her how much I missed her, but I did not say. She brought me a glass of water and asked if I had eaten…I am not sure is it was just customary or if she really wanted to cook me dinner again. I told her I was not hungry and that I just wanted to see her. She told me she already heard the news that I was heading back to KM52 tomorrow. As she turned away from me, I could the tears trickling down her face. I wanted to hold her, but did not. I am sorry, I said.

We talked all evening, exchanging numbers and pictures. It was late and I said goodnight to May. I promised her I will visit in morning before I leave. So, here I am, sitting on my bed… for the first time in None Hai, I am lonely.

I am not looking forward to tomorrow.

LHG.   
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Post by: boO on March 31, 2013, 01:40:35 PM
LHG

 :'(
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Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 31, 2013, 10:07:36 PM
LHG

 :'(

No tears boo... it's not the end of the road.

LHG
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Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on March 31, 2013, 10:10:31 PM
Good Morning all...

This morning I am at a lost for words… I can barely form an idea or hold a thought in my head. It took me several minutes just to find the right words to start this blog. Nothing has changed, but everything about today, this morning and this minute seems different.

Late last night, a thunderstorm blew into None Hai, bringing rain, wind and a lighting show. A perfect reflection of how I was feeling, I am sure. This morning, the rain was gone, the wind passed, and the sky is as blue as the ocean. This morning, there is a cool breeze blowing and a beautiful sunrise came to greet me.

I love everything about the rain. It has a wonderful way of cooling things down, a welcome relief from the oppressive heat we felt yesterday. The rain has settled down the dust and has brightened everything in sight. Perhaps the rain is telling me it is time to leave, clearing the road of dust going back KM52.

It just amazes me how fast life can change… how really wonderful life is and how we must really live each moment. Sometimes, we are blinded by our needs for security and material things that we forget what’s really happen in front of us. Today is the perfect example of that… I could spend all morning being depressed about leaving None Hai and about leaving May, or I could take this opportunity to say good bye to May and tell her how I feel. I think I will go visit May now…

Next time you hear from me, I will probably be in KM52. Until then, happy travels.

LHG
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Post by: PRINCESS. on March 31, 2013, 10:27:28 PM
LonelyHmgGuy, your stories remind me of Paulo Coelho's The Alchemist. If you want something badly enough, the world will conspire to make it come true.  O0
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Post by: MilesDaddy on March 31, 2013, 10:49:16 PM
cool bro, cool stories and cool pics and videos... Thank you for posting her in Ph land but you should have made a BLOG, would have been more of a private place for you to share your stories and pics from your journey
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Post by: MenyuamHmoob on April 01, 2013, 02:36:45 PM
Alright LHG!!! Havent been back reading your blog for a while.  But you make me proud! I'm rooting for you and this girl May. :D  I visited None-Hai while i was in Laos too.  But most of my experience was only at the main market and a guesthouse nearby.  I was told there were plenty of pretty girls in Non-Hai, but i didnt even get the chance to see any while i was there. :(

I know how you're feeling bro.  Its the same exact feeling i had with this girl i met in Phonsavan.  Although we just met, it felt like we've already known each other for years already.  And her attitude, character and values were so attractive.  On the day i left, she made me boiled chicken and rice for my trip.  Her act of kindness set my heart trembling.

Speaking of traveling back, have you visited a town called Pak-Sa and Mueng Fueng that is in between None-Hai and KM52? The view of the Pak-Sa cliffs are breath taking.  Keep us posted!  And you should definitely go back to visit May!  Safe trip bro!
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Post by: NceegVaj on April 01, 2013, 03:03:19 PM
Dang.  That video really screwed Hmong reputation.

Oh...LHG, did May and you made it?
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Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 01, 2013, 04:55:53 PM
LonelyHmgGuy, your stories remind me of Paulo Coelho's The Alchemist. If you want something badly enough, the world will conspire to make it come true.  O0

What I really want is a FAN or AC right now... it is hot here! LOL.

I have not read The Alchemist, but sounds like a good book.

LHG
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Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 01, 2013, 04:57:53 PM
cool bro, cool stories and cool pics and videos... Thank you for posting her in Ph land but you should have made a BLOG, would have been more of a private place for you to share your stories and pics from your journey

Hey Miles...

How have you been bro! Thanks for reading the stories... and I am only sharing only things I WANT to share. LOL.

Seriously, I have nothing important to hide.

LHG
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Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 01, 2013, 04:59:04 PM
Dang.  That video really screwed Hmong reputation.

Oh...LHG, did May and you made it?

Hey Beautiful!!!

Keep reading... this movie is only starting! I hear the ending is going to be good. Stay tuned.

LHG
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Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 01, 2013, 05:02:31 PM
Larger than life…

Emotionally, leaving None Hai was harder than I thought. Like many things in my life, something so simple turned into something complex and so wonderful. At first glance, my trip to None Hai was just a 4 day visit to see my aunt and uncle. But instead, luck intervened and I met a kind, intelligent and beautiful woman.  What happen to me in None Hai was certainly not expected or planned, but nonetheless, I welcome it. Life is funny like that sometimes, the best stories are the ones you didn’t plan and the best times are rarely ever scheduled.

To know someone is to walk a day in their shoes, I am told. With May, not only have we walked in each others shoes, but I am sure we have lived each other’s life before.
 
We all need someone in our life, someone who’s larger than life, and someone who’s almost a superhero, an unweaving figure who can withstand any adversity. We need someone who will take us by the hand and tell us everything is going to be ok, no matter how dark the storm ahead may be. For me, that person was my mother.  For May, there was no one. Everyone who has every touched her life has let her down. Her father is in jail, her mother is barely able to support her family, he ex-husband beat and tortured her, and her relatives abandoned her when her needed them the most. In essence, she is alone. I wanted to save May. I wanted her to feel safe and I wanted her to feel needed. I wanted to know she was going to be ok, because deep down inside, I wanted all those things for myself too.

I gave May a hug and said my goodbye. She handed me lunch, a boiled chicken and some rice, for my trip to KM52. (No tears though, May is also coming to KM52 in a few days, to visit her Grandmother…that’s right, she misses her grandmother! So what?!)

I was right about the thunderstorm from the night before. Because of the recent rain, leaving None Hai was not as dusty or hot, even the roads seemed a little less bumpy. We left my aunt’s house a little before 1:00 PM, she kept my cousin and I for as long as she could. I hate goodbyes personally. Even on my trip back to Laos, only my sister was allowed to drop me off at the airport. However, leaving None Hai was different and I knew it. I had no control over whom or how many people were going to come by. My worst fears were realized later that morning, it seemed like the whole village came to see us leave. I was fine, up until my aunt stated to cry and told me how much she was going to miss me, and suddenly a flood of emotions came rushing in. Tears streamed down my face as we climbed into the back of the truck.

My cousin and I did spoke very little on our way back to KM52; there wasn’t a tone of excitement in our voices like the days before, when we were coming to None Hai. Too much had happen and it was already too late in the day. We stopped at the same rest stop we had been a few days earlier. Only the day was different, the same people, the same vendors, and the same food and merchandises were there. Even the smell was the same. I exited the pickup truck and took a quick glance of the crowd nearby. Against all logic, I was hoping to see the young Hmong mother and her sick child again. They were still on my mind and I wonder how the boy was doing. I pray he is doing better wherever he may be.

We arrived in KM52 a little before 4:00 PM.

Talk to you all soon,

LHG
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Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 01, 2013, 05:08:57 PM
Alright LHG!!! Havent been back reading your blog for a while.  But you make me proud! I'm rooting for you and this girl May. :D  I visited None-Hai while i was in Laos too.  But most of my experience was only at the main market and a guesthouse nearby.  I was told there were plenty of pretty girls in Non-Hai, but i didnt even get the chance to see any while i was there. :(

I know how you're feeling bro.  Its the same exact feeling i had with this girl i met in Phonsavan.  Although we just met, it felt like we've already known each other for years already.  And her attitude, character and values were so attractive.  On the day i left, she made me boiled chicken and rice for my trip.  Her act of kindness set my heart trembling.

Speaking of traveling back, have you visited a town called Pak-Sa and Mueng Fueng that is in between None-Hai and KM52? The view of the Pak-Sa cliffs are breath taking.  Keep us posted!  And you should definitely go back to visit May!  Safe trip bro!

MenyuamHmoob - Good to hear from you... None Hai was cool.

My aunt lives in a small town call Puusan (not sure of the spelling) and we went to Phalueng and Pasaan. Mueng Fueng is just up the road and we did not make it there. Maybe next time.  I will be heading to Vang Vieng in a week, I hear the views from there is also pretty good.

LHG
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Post by: SleeplessBeauty on April 01, 2013, 05:36:30 PM
I enjoy reading your blog. It's like reading a book.

I'm sadden you had to leave May behind but hope you two can meet up when she visits her grandma in the next few days.

BTW, I have a feeling you left out some hot and juicy details between you and May. Do share.  ;D
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Post by: boO on April 01, 2013, 06:12:44 PM
*waits anxiously on update about may trip to vist LhG in KM52*
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Post by: yoursunrise4ever on April 02, 2013, 08:01:30 AM
LHG, I gues it was good that I didn't go with you huh? Otherwise, you would have not met May. Like the rest, I am anxiously waiting to hear of your re-connection with May.  :D ;)
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Post by: NceegVaj on April 02, 2013, 08:22:28 AM
Larger than life…

Emotionally, leaving None Hai was harder than I thought. Like many things in my life, something so simple turned into something complex and so wonderful. At first glance, my trip to None Hai was just a 4 day visit to see my aunt and uncle. But instead, luck intervened and I met a kind, intelligent and beautiful woman.  What happen to me in None Hai was certainly not expected or planned, but nonetheless, I welcome it. Life is funny like that sometimes, the best stories are the ones you didn’t plan and the best times are rarely ever scheduled.

To know someone is to walk a day in their shoes, I am told. With May, not only have we walked in each others shoes, but I am sure we have lived each other’s life before.
 
We all need someone in our life, someone who’s larger than life, and someone who’s almost a superhero, an unweaving figure who can withstand any adversity. We need someone who will take us by the hand and tell us everything is going to be ok, no matter how dark the storm ahead may be. For me, that person was my mother.  For May, there was no one. Everyone who has every touched her life has let her down. Her father is in jail, her mother is barely able to support her family, he ex-husband beat and tortured her, and her relatives abandoned her when her needed them the most. In essence, she is alone. I wanted to save May. I wanted her to feel safe and I wanted her to feel needed. I wanted to know she was going to be ok, because deep down inside, I wanted all those things for myself too.

I gave May a hug and said my goodbye. She handed me lunch, a boiled chicken and some rice, for my trip to KM52. (No tears though, May is also coming to KM52 in a few days, to visit her Grandmother…that’s right, she misses her grandmother! So what?!)

I was right about the thunderstorm from the night before. Because of the recent rain, leaving None Hai was not as dusty or hot, even the roads seemed a little less bumpy. We left my aunt’s house a little before 1:00 PM, she kept my cousin and I for as long as she could. I hate goodbyes personally. Even on my trip back to Laos, only my sister was allowed to drop me off at the airport. However, leaving None Hai was different and I knew it. I had no control over whom or how many people were going to come by. My worst fears were realized later that morning, it seemed like the whole village came to see us leave. I was fine, up until my aunt stated to cry and told me how much she was going to miss me, and suddenly a flood of emotions came rushing in. Tears streamed down my face as we climbed into the back of the truck.

My cousin and I did spoke very little on our way back to KM52; there wasn’t a tone of excitement in our voices like the days before, when we were coming to None Hai. Too much had happen and it was already too late in the day. We stopped at the same rest stop we had been a few days earlier. Only the day was different, the same people, the same vendors, and the same food and merchandises were there. Even the smell was the same. I exited the pickup truck and took a quick glance of the crowd nearby. Against all logic, I was hoping to see the young Hmong mother and her sick child again. They were still on my mind and I wonder how the boy was doing. I pray he is doing better wherever he may be.

We arrived in KM52 a little before 4:00 PM.

Talk to you all soon,

LHG


YOu could write a book.  Most people can't express in writing like you.  I need this.

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 02, 2013, 10:13:22 AM
I enjoy reading your blog. It's like reading a book.

I'm sadden you had to leave May behind but hope you two can meet up when she visits her grandma in the next few days.

BTW, I have a feeling you left out some hot and juicy details between you and May. Do share.  ;D

Sleepless... (pssssttt, don't tell anyone) It was a just made up story so she can come visit me. May doesn't really have a grandmother in KM52, hence, my sarcastic remark earlier.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 02, 2013, 10:14:17 AM
*waits anxiously on update about may trip to vist LhG in KM52*

Hey Boo... I miss her. Hopefully she will be here soon.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 02, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
LHG, I gues it was good that I didn't go with you huh? Otherwise, you would have not met May. Like the rest, I am anxiously waiting to hear of your re-connection with May.  :D ;)
Sunrise... No worries. We're just good friends. Still trying to figure things out. I just hope she keeps her promise to come visit me. I will let you know.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 02, 2013, 10:19:06 AM
YOu could write a book.  Most people can't express in writing like you.  I need this.

Hey Beautiful... Thank you for the compliment. Hearing this from someone as pretty as you, it just makes my day!

Thank you,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 02, 2013, 10:20:33 AM
Good Evening from KM52

It was such a beautiful morning and I did not want to waste any of it waiting for our guests to arrive. So, I decided to put on my running shoes and run to meet the rising sun. Mornings in Laos are so special, and I know I will never do it justice by describing it to you here.

Just as the sun is about comes up, the air is mild, sweet and full of fragrance. A cool and damp breeze rushes by because of the humidity that’s in the air. There is a stillness and silence that exists only here and no where else, it is both calming and peaceful. A place void of car engines, freeways, factories, helicopters and police sirens. Instead, one can hear the cries of a new born baby wanting to be fed breakfast, birds chirping in the trees, dogs barking at school kids, chickens and roosters fighting for scraps of food and the voices and laughter of children coming from their houses. Smoke rises from every house and home, slowing climbing, as though pointing the way to heaven.

This morning I ran passed an old Buddhist temple, one of many temples that lines Route 13. A monk, sweeping the entrance of his temple, looked up as though to say hello. He smiled but did not speak. I passed an old man pushing a handcart full of firewood, on his way to the market. I pass a young boy, herding his cows to pasture, with a wooden stick in his hand. I passed a pond, with white and red water lilies appearing from under a cool mist that had formed overnight. I ran passed an old woman and her daughter, huddled in front of their fire, cooking the morning meal. All simple things, really, but all are still special and unique in their own way.

I came back to an already busy home; all the men have already gathered in the back of my aunt’s house, where the cow was to be butchered. The women, already busy washing vegetables, boiling water and making rice. And there were kids everywhere, talking, laughing and joyful. Everyone smiled and greeted me; I have never felt so special or needed in my life.

To be continued tomorrow. It has been a long day and I am tired.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SleeplessBeauty on April 02, 2013, 11:54:48 AM
Hey LHG, it'd be nice if you could share some pictures.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 02, 2013, 05:01:25 PM
You write like one of my favorite writer "Nicholas Sparks". I enjoyed every bit of it. Good night!

Hey TH... thank you for the compliment, it's a pleasure to write for you all.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 02, 2013, 05:05:04 PM
Hey LHG, it'd be nice if you could share some pictures.

Hey Sleepless... unless I am at the main internet cafes in town, my wireless internet connection is dog slow. I have to either be up before 6:00 AM for wait til after 10:00 PM to use it.  And even then, uploading and downloadking pics literally takes 10-15 minutes per pix. I will upload my pix after I get back, promise.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 02, 2013, 05:07:04 PM
Hello PH Family… Greetings from the “Land of a Million Elephants”

Arghhhh… I am so sorry for the short update last night, I told everyone it was a long day and that I was tired. But, what I did not say was that I had a pounding headache, the price I paid for drinking Beer Lao all afternoon. One thing about hangovers, they all hurt just the same, regardless of which continent or country you’re in. I am shock that I remembered to update you at all, let alone form understandable and complete sentences.

In Laos, family ties are still very strong, much stronger than their Hmong counterparts in the US, I believe. They depend and need on each other in ways that we can no longer understand or feel. For example, almost every relative that lived in KM52 came to help celebrate my “hu plig” ceremony yesterday. This is not an exaggeration, everyone, including the more distant relatives came to help cook food, eat and clean up. There were even some who came just because they were of the same clan name. It has always been this way, my grandmother tells me. During the planting and harvesting of crops, everyone offers a helping hand. If you’re done with yours, you go help your cousins, your aunts, your uncles or your in-laws. And if they are the ones to be done first, they come and help you. That’s just the way things are, all for the sake of the family and all for free. Only by doing things this way, could we have survived for so long my grandmother tells me.

Beer Lao comes in 330 ml and 640 ml bottles or 330 ml cans and is the national beer. In fact, it’s the only beer sold in Laos. After the main meal and after most of our guests have left, my cousin and I walked down to the corner store and purchased 2 cases of 12 – 640ml bottles and 4 bags of ice. Rarely, will you ever find a cold or refrigerated beer in Laos. Each case costs 90,000 kip or a little over 10.00 US Dollars. There were 5-6 of us, just talking, eating, sharing stories and having a good time. Soon, the beer was gone.

My young cousin, whom I am guessing has not been drunk many times before, decided to open the 1.75 liter of Jack Daniels I had brought him as a present from America. At some point during our drinking, a couple of the young ladies from the neighborhood had come to join us. Both ladies were recently divorced, probably in their late 20s and were living with their brothers nearby. Having a couple of women totally changes the dynamics of our conversation.. . we were now talking about relationships and heartbreaks. After a few more shots, the conversation turned to sex, lies and betrayals. I have never laughed so hard in my life. And wow!!! Can those ladies drink!? At one point, they even got my poor little cousin, who has never ever sung before, to “hai kwv txhiaj” on a dare.
 
My young cousin eventually got dragged away by his wife, the two ladies left and we all went to bed. Good times in Laos.

Today, I am going to explore KM52 and maybe find where the cheap hotels are, before May gets here.  I am only kidding, just kidding!


Talk to you all soon,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: boO on April 02, 2013, 06:18:44 PM
I don't want you to kid around though... >:(
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SleeplessBeauty on April 02, 2013, 06:21:56 PM
I couldn't help but noticed the few ladies that you've met are all divorcees.  I thought hmong americans are the ones with the high divorce rate but I guess not?  Is it just as common there?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: NceegVaj on April 03, 2013, 08:48:41 AM
I couldn't help but noticed the few ladies that you've met are all divorcees.  I thought hmong americans are the ones with the high divorce rate but I guess not?  Is it just as common there?

Divorcees are prevalent only recently (starting 1998).  Mostly due to fly-by-night night sex stand.  What I mean by that is, western Hmong and Hmong Thai goes to Laos and dated these girls.  Arranged as "hog" purchase bribe (mostly are around $5,000) and took the girl around the country and have se.x every hotel they stay.   When he leaves Laos he can't take the girl so the girl stays behind with so and so relatives...so metime no relatives at all.  Thinking that they old man will return to pick her up the girl stayed over the years...and after 2 years the girl is abandoned due to immigration requirements, one-man one woman laws, etc.  So the far longer they are apart the more they likely to feel a distrust distant relations.  Eventually they lost connection and they both moved on.  The girl becomes burned meat.  After "no more money-gram" from the supposedly husband in the west...the only source of income she can gain is by prostituting or going on TojShit.com and con-Hmong american old men (once again).  Or they can play the deaf ear and screw newly arrived Hmong old men from the west for the new year.

THese stories are very true and serious.  It's happening everyday.  I sense that there is an urgent problem with Hmong Laos today.

1.  Many Hmong girls prostitutes (already reported by Radio Free Asia in Lao Language)
2.  Many Hmong girls will not have proper burial upon deaths.
3.  Skyrocketing STD's and HIV in Laos and spread them across USA via old men with their wives.
4. Anger young Hmong men in Laos against Hmong in the west (already happening)
5.  Overly annoyed, angered Hmong women in the USA.
6.  Increase divorce Hmong families in USA...until the OG  are gone (OG by definition, are those born in Thailand or Laos and got to USA when they were between 5 and 15 years old).
7.  Distrust will increase between Hmong Laos/USA.
8.  More dysfunctional families in USA
9.  Now more than ever Hmong Lao will try to rip and profit from the trend yielding some riches at the cost of many poor.
10.  No more moral...but... money.  Money, material love is the next norm for most Hmong boys and girls in major cities in Laos.

WAR !!!

People acted upon two emotions:     DESIRES   -or-   FEAR.

PLEASE START ACT WITH MORAL CHARACTERS.



LHG --> give us your first impression about the social economic issue with young people in Laos today.  Please thanks!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 03, 2013, 11:22:34 AM
I don't want you to kid around though... >:(

Easy there... I have just met her.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 03, 2013, 11:28:35 AM
I couldn't help but noticed the few ladies that you've met are all divorcees.  I thought hmong americans are the ones with the high divorce rate but I guess not?  Is it just as common there?

Hey Sleepless...

Those were my exact thoughts... how could there be so many divorcees? From what I have seen, they marry way too young here. 14-15 is typical. By they time they are 20-21, they have grown apart and find that life is not as easy as they once thought. Husbands cheat, disregard their duties, wives become discontent and all you have left is a formula for diaster. I will touch on this somemore later... but in None Hai, I know of 4-5 and here, there are 3 divorced ladies within walking distance.

Talk to you soon,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 03, 2013, 11:29:33 AM
Just a face in the crowd…

It is with great sadness that I mourn the passing of my nephew today… I heard of his passing shortly after my return from the market in KM52. His mother and I share the same great grandfather, and she and I are of the same “generation” according to Hmong culture.

I met the nephew during my “hu plig” ceremony yesterday, briefly. In truth, I barely saw his face and only heard his name. In physical size, he was small and skinny; and he looked no bigger than a comparable US teenager of 13 or 14 years old. My sister says he just turned 18 not too long ago. My sister is the older wife in a plural marriage and my nephew is a middle child in a family with 11 kids, from both wives. Today, I learned that that my nephew had dropped out of school about 3 years ago to help his father with farming duties, a common practice in Laos for young men who comes from large families. With so many mouths to feed, there is tremendous pressure on the older kids to support the family as well.

My nephew and my sister had an argument about 4 days ago, while I was still in None Hai, my sister tells me. The argument was about him not being home, about him being out with his friends and girlfriend. It is the start of planting season in Laos and his help was needed to clear land for rice planting. She scolded him several times, she told me, but did not feel it was enough to drive him to do what he did.

Today, while I was at the market and exploring KM52, my nephew visited all of his friends and had a quick chat with those that he could find, he then walked over to the elementary school where his younger sisters and brothers were, and gave them the last of what little money had left. From there, he came home, took some “cucumber fertilizer” pills and walked out the front door. My sister saw him briefly and asked him where he was going… he said somewhere that is better than here and left. A relative saw him sitting under a tree in a cow field behind their house, the boy was already twitching and gasping for air, the poison had already passed into his blood stream.

My nephew was already dressed in traditional Hmong clothing and laying in the middle of my sister’s living room when I saw him. My nephew wasn’t sleeping, he wasn’t sick, my nephew was dead. I can only imagine the pain and grief my sister must be feeling right now. I can only imagine the guilt and blame she must hold for herself. What can I say and what can I do, tears were running down her face? I gave her a hug and then I called May to tell her how much I missed her.

Maybe tomorrow will be a better day…

Good night all,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SleeplessBeauty on April 03, 2013, 11:55:31 AM
Wow. Sorry you had to experience such tragedy.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: NceegVaj on April 03, 2013, 12:53:35 PM
LHG, sorry for the boy story.   hey, be sure to show them divorcee a good time so they are not so be "lonely Hmong Gal" okay?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on April 03, 2013, 03:15:46 PM
LHG, your travel blog just did a 180 degree turn with the passing of your nephew.  My condolences to your family and your sister.  May he rest in peace.  There must be more to the story than just your sister scolding your nephew.  That alone would never drive someone to take his/her own life.

**Beer Lao***
I dont know about you, but drinking the Beer Lao was just like any other beer in the US.  Except the alcohol content was a lot stronger.  However, everytime I drink in Laos, there would be ice added, and that takes away most of the effects of alcohol.  I swore i never got a hangover in Laos, even after drinking 4-5 cases of those things with friends and family. Lol

Where exactly in KM52 do you stay? Is it in Nong-Nak?  I love the walks to all the little roads which weaves in and out of the village.  It was something i wish i did more of during my stay in KM52.  The market was just too hectic for me.

BTW, did you go say hello to KaBao yet? LOL!  Update us when May comes to visit.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 03, 2013, 05:30:42 PM
Such a sad tragedy for a young man. My condolences to you and your family. May you all find comfort in eachother at this very moment.  :'( :'(

Thank you TH.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 03, 2013, 05:34:02 PM
LHG, sorry for the boy story.   hey, be sure to show them divorcee a good time so they are not so be "lonely Hmong Gal" okay?

NceegVaj - You will be the first to know, I will PM you,  if *anything* should happen between May and I. OK?

Talk to you soon,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 03, 2013, 05:39:23 PM
LHG, your travel blog just did a 180 degree turn with the passing of your nephew.  My condolences to your family and your sister.  May he rest in peace.  There must be more to the story than just your sister scolding your nephew.  That alone would never drive someone to take his/her own life.

**Beer Lao***
I dont know about you, but drinking the Beer Lao was just like any other beer in the US.  Except the alcohol content was a lot stronger.  However, everytime I drink in Laos, there would be ice added, and that takes away most of the effects of alcohol.  I swore i never got a hangover in Laos, even after drinking 4-5 cases of those things with friends and family. Lol

Where exactly in KM52 do you stay? Is it in Nong-Nak?  I love the walks to all the little roads which weaves in and out of the village.  It was something i wish i did more of during my stay in KM52.  The market was just too hectic for me.

BTW, did you go say hello to KaBao yet? LOL!  Update us when May comes to visit.

Ya Bro... not what I was expecting or hoped for at all. But what can you do, it is what it is.

You're right, they don't have fridges here, so all the beers sit outside, in the heat all day. So when you go to drink them, you do have to put them in ice... just means it takes longer to get to my happy place.

I don't know what this town is called, but if you know KM52 at all, my cousins says it is where they used to have a bridge and collected a toll for crossing it. I hope that helps. I will ask him what the name is today.

I have not met Kabao yet.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 03, 2013, 05:40:10 PM
Everyone…

I just wanted to say thank you to all, for all the well wishes. I very much appreciate them. No matter where we are or who we are with, life and death, the human experience still goes on. Again, I am gently reminded of how precious life really is and that no matter how rough things may seem, always, always have a second look.

I am still unsure of the real circumstances surrounding my nephew’s death but I am sure more will come out in the next few days. Regardless of what may have transpired, the fact is that my nephew is now gone and gone forever. He will never enter through his parent’s front doors again. He will never be sitting at the dining table for dinner again. And no matter how loud and long anyone calls his name; he will never ever answer. Right now, I am most concern about my sister’s part in this ordeal. She will forever have to live with her actions and the decisions she made. Regardless of her intentions or the outcome she wanted, I am sure she will always blame herself for what happen. In my opinion, the real tragedy in all of this is that she missed an opportunity to tell him that she loved him; instead, their last words together were spoken out of hate. And unfortunately, he left this good earth without ever knowing how much his mother loves him.

A lesson for the rest of us, never take any opportunity for granted. Tell your loved ones each and every chance you get, tell them what they mean to you and tell them you love them. As you have seen and as in my sister’s case, when her son walked out of their front door was the last time she saw him alive.

May and I talked briefly yesterday. She asked me how I was doing and if she should still come visit me. I told her I will probably be very busy the next few days. We both agree it would not be a good time for her to visit. I will see her on Sunday, a couple of days later than we had hoped, but that’s how life is sometimes. The best laid plans don’t always have happy endings.

I will be helping out with funeral arrangements for the next 2 days, so I will probably not be updating my blog as much. Thank you and I will talk to you all soon.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: boO on April 03, 2013, 07:38:31 PM
LHG,

My deepest condolence to you and yours. I'm so sorry for your loss.

 :'(
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 04, 2013, 08:51:28 AM
LHG,

My deepest condolence to you and yours. I'm so sorry for your loss.

 :'(

Thank you,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 04, 2013, 08:53:28 AM
How will you be remembered?

My nephew’s name is Tsawb Lauj, born in None Hai and raised in KM52, Laos. At the time of his death, Tsawb was 18 years old. He loved listening to music and even wrote a few songs of his own. He is the third child of an eleven children family, leaving behind three sisters and seven brothers. His footprint on this earth was small and he left just as he came, quiet and sudden. In the timeline of human existence, his life was barely a smudge. For the rest of the world, his passing went unnoticed. And soon his name will fade and his life forgotten, I am sure. For those of us that knew him, he will forever be missed. His burial is scheduled for tomorrow.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Dok_Champa on April 05, 2013, 09:59:16 AM
Deepest condelences to you and your family.  May God give you and your family strength during this difficult time.. :'(
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 05, 2013, 04:56:21 PM
Deepest condelences to you and your family.  May God give you and your family strength during this difficult time.. :'(

Thank you..

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 05, 2013, 05:01:11 PM
It has been a roller coaster ride for the last couple of days... I am emotionally drained.

Today, I am up with the sun. I think I will go for a run to clear my head.

May called, it was just good to hear her voice again. She will be here tomorrow, I can't wait to see her face again.

Talk to you guys soon,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on April 08, 2013, 04:42:03 PM
awe.  hope may is the heroine in all your laos journeys. 

may your relationship with her blossom with time.  and if she is the one... hopefully you'll get her here to the states soon so you both can live and enjoy life together.   O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 08, 2013, 09:38:12 PM
awe.  hope may is the heroine in all your laos journeys. 

may your relationship with her blossom with time.  and if she is the one... hopefully you'll get her here to the states soon so you both can live and enjoy life together.   O0

AOZ - thank you for the well wishes. We just really good friends, seriosly, nothing more for NOW. Heheheheheee.

I will let you know if anything changes.

Talk to you soon,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 08, 2013, 09:55:28 PM
To love a woman,

There is something about a woman, that makes her a woman...  In every sense of the word, May is a true women.  In it simpliest form, May smells like a women, she acts like a women and she speaks like a women. She carries herself in ways that only a women can. She scent is unforgettable and unmistakeble. She is heaven.

May arrived at the bus station shortly before, an already hot and humid day. Dressed in a long skirt with long sleeves on. One thing that still eludes me, Lao women dress in full length clothing even when it is 100 degrees outside.
She carried with her an overnight bag and I set up to meet as she step out of the door. I missed her and needed a hug to feel normal, to just feel again. I was tired and tired of emotions around me.

We ate and I dropped her of at her hotel. We spoke for about 3 hours, talking about the events that had taken place since I left her. We both wanted to know if we still had feelings for each other. We did.

Tomorrow, we’re heading to the dam and lake.

Talk to you all soon,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: boO on April 08, 2013, 10:59:09 PM
OMGEE!!!!

EeK!!!!

LHG and May sitting in a tree.. K I S S I N G!!

Sorry, I dont know what came over me..

* waits anxiously for further update*
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on April 09, 2013, 08:12:33 AM
LHG, if there's one thing that i regret not doing, it was taking the boat ride on the dam (aka. Pas Dej Tauv) and eating the food cooked there. :(  In your case, you can take May on that romantic boat ride while you and her have a candle light dinner!  O0

I'm guessing her only grandmother in KM52 was grandma LHG right? Lol.  Are you planing to go anywhere else other than KM52 and None Hai?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Sith on April 09, 2013, 01:22:37 PM

LonelyHmgGuy,

mind as well just take May home. Sounds like you two are good for each other.  O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on April 09, 2013, 07:00:44 PM
awe.... how cute... here's a song for you and may...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHutZXREZ0E# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHutZXREZ0E#)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: NceegVaj on April 09, 2013, 11:56:12 PM
awe.... how cute... here's a song for you and may...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHutZXREZ0E# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHutZXREZ0E#)

This is so fu.cking 32 years old. Daing /
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on April 11, 2013, 02:08:47 PM
With all this mooshy talk of how great/fun Laos is, don't forget there is a dark side to it as well.

I know of some people both married/single who's lives are all ruined, both financially and emotionally because they kept going there year after year. 

Going to Laos is like exchanging your well being for fun.

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 12, 2013, 07:54:10 AM
OMGEE!!!!

EeK!!!!

LHG and May sitting in a tree.. K I S S I N G!!

Sorry, I dont know what came over me..

* waits anxiously for further update*

LOL... sorry to keep you waiting. I did not get a chance to visit the internet cafe.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 12, 2013, 07:56:42 AM
LHG, if there's one thing that i regret not doing, it was taking the boat ride on the dam (aka. Pas Dej Tauv) and eating the food cooked there. :(  In your case, you can take May on that romantic boat ride while you and her have a candle light dinner!  O0

I'm guessing her only grandmother in KM52 was grandma LHG right? Lol.  Are you planing to go anywhere else other than KM52 and None Hai?

The Lake was really low and we thought the boat ride with dinner thing was just to "touristy", so we skip it. Maybe next time. We did visit the dam and drive around the lake a little. It is still very beautiful.


LOL... May does not have any relatives in KM52...

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 12, 2013, 07:57:42 AM
awe.... how cute... here's a song for you and may...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHutZXREZ0E# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHutZXREZ0E#)

thanks for the thought... but cant view this video in Laos. Maybe when I get back.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 12, 2013, 07:59:32 AM
With all this mooshy talk of how great/fun Laos is, don't forget there is a dark side to it as well.

I know of some people both married/single who's lives are all ruined, both financially and emotionally because they kept going there year after year. 

Going to Laos is like exchanging your well being for fun.

No doubt... like all things in life, moderation is the word. Know your limits and have your morals. Bad people will ruin their life regardless of where they are or what they do.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 12, 2013, 08:06:17 AM
A haze in everyone's future right now....

It is planting season in Laos and the whole country is engulfed in a haze, the kind you find in Los Angeles on a hot summer’s day. It’s hard to breath, it’s hard to see and it takes away from the beauty of this land.  Farmers everywhere from Luang Prabang to the north all the way down to Vientiane and beyond to the south, is cutting, clearing and burning land in preparation for rice planting. In a country where over 80 percent of the population still farms, one has to wonder when will it end. There are government has set restrictions everywhere and yet jungle, virgin jungle is still being clear. It’s hard to feed a starving nation, so most officials turn a blind eye to the practice of “slash and burn”. It makes me appreciate the things I have and the food that’s on my table every night I am here.

The heat is oppressing and there seems to be no immediate relief in sight. Everywhere you go, people are hoping for the rain to come soon. Those that can afford have portable AC, those that can’t, have fans and those that have neither, hide and bare the heat as best they can. The small streams and rivers offers some relief, but even those are starting to dry up now.  In May’s village, there are 10-12 families that share a common well and the well is now dry. It takes 15-20 minutes to fill her pale when she goes to draw water. Some families stay up all night and wait in line just to have enough water for the next day. The more I grow attached to May, the more I begin to worry about her future.

I told May I have been having nightmares and she asked if I wanted to spend the night with her… I told her it would not be proper and that we should not rush into things. I know most readers would find this shocking or would doubt it … but it is true.  I kiss her good night and left.

May and I drove up to the Lake and Dam, it took us over 2 hours for the trip. We left early to beat the heat and also because we wanted plenty of time to spend on the lake. The lake level is low, really low, even for this time of the year. We ate at a restaurant near the lake and for the most part, just talked. It felt so good just to be with her, just to have that much attention to myself.  For me, it has been so long since anyone has cared so much for me or wanted to be with me. I will have to admit, the attention was nice.

We got home a little after 4:00 PM, an exhausting and hot day, but will worth it.  Tomorrow, May is going home. Her store needs her as Pei Mai is about to begin and I will be heading up to Vang Vieng. I am going to miss May. I could not bring myself to tell May nor can I find the right words, but I think I have fallen for this women. Something I told myself that must not and should not happen… CRAP, I am fuked!

Talk to you all when I get to Vang Vieng!!!

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: boO on April 12, 2013, 08:20:41 AM
LHG!

Do something!!!!!!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: yoursunrise4ever on April 12, 2013, 08:59:22 AM
LHG, whatever decisions you make, know that I will be happy for you. You deserve to live and be happy once again. I wish you the best! Take care.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on April 12, 2013, 02:04:02 PM
No doubt... like all things in life, moderation is the word. Know your limits and have your morals. Bad people will ruin their life regardless of where they are or what they do.

LHG

However, if you're single and you're not a trouble maker you'll have a really good time there.

Back on the subject of being responsible, many white folks going there to have fun and party have been coming back in body bags.  Many deaths over the years took place in Vang Vieng, where they tube and jumped into the river.  Just recently many of the bars in vang vieng have been shut down by authorities due to this problem.

Good luck when you get to vang vieng, hope not everything have been shut down there, cause that's one of the funniest most bueatitful town/place to hang out at.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 13, 2013, 07:19:22 AM
LHG!

Do something!!!!!!

Boo... You know, May does have a younger sister! LOL.

Should I give her your number?

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 13, 2013, 07:20:04 AM
LHG, whatever decisions you make, know that I will be happy for you. You deserve to live and be happy once again. I wish you the best! Take care.

Sunrise... PM me.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 13, 2013, 07:25:58 AM
However, if you're single and you're not a trouble maker you'll have a really good time there.

Back on the subject of being responsible, many white folks going there to have fun and party have been coming back in body bags.  Many deaths over the years took place in Vang Vieng, where they tube and jumped into the river.  Just recently many of the bars in vang vieng have been shut down by authorities due to this problem.

Good luck when you get to vang vieng, hope not everything have been shut down there, cause that's one of the funniest most bueatitful town/place to hang out at.
Baddabing -

I am single and NOT attached in anyway and I don't advocate that anyone follow my steps or do what I am doing. This is by no means a commercial for everyone in the USA. Just so there is NOT any misunderstandi ng, May and I have problems to overcome... but that's what dating a person is all about. So, you get to know them... And again, we're only starting out.

Vang Vieng - all the bars near the river are shut down and all the swings have been cut down. I see a lot of vacancies at the restaurants and hotels. There is rumor that the government will lift the ban for Pei Mai, but I will not know for sure until tomorrow.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 13, 2013, 07:27:17 AM
Happy New Year from Laos!!!!

I was hoping to see May one more time, but she left early this morning. I got a phone call from her at 8:00 AM and she was already on a taxi heading towards None Hai. I miss her already, she left me her shirt and her scent still lingers. I miss her so much. If not the the hotel reservations in Vang Vieng, I think I would follow her home this minute.  I feel so empty and aimless today. Have you ever wanted some so bad, you can almost taste it? It’s is within reach of your hands and yet you can’t hold it. Such sweet torture.

My cousin drove me to the bus station in KM52 and we passed the Pho Restaurant where May and I had dinner last night. I swear, I could still see her sitting there and laughing at me, her bright and beautiful smile. I don’t know what I will do for the next 3 days. I wish she could have come with me. I wish she did not have to go back to her store. I wish I was with her right now.

The bus ride to Vang Vieng was long, much longer than I remembered. I am sure thinking about May and the constant checking of my phone made the trip seem longer. She did not called.
 There is a warm breeze blowing today in the town of Vang Vieng, much of the smog that has been holding over the town is now gone. The lush green limestone mountains are so beautiful and all are within  sight. The air is fresh with only a linger of smoke from the hills nearby.

Near the airport, a carnival has sprung up, with tents, vendors and games. All for the New Year Celebration, I am told. There is a bumber car, darts and balloons, clothing venders, bbq meat and fruit stands. Reminds me very much of Fresno Hmong New Year or 4th of July at Como Park.  Kids and adults running around and music blasting away. Walking to my hotel, I was spray with water, twice. I guess the celebration started early.
Tomorrow, I will explore the town. Pei Mai (Lao New Year) has begin.  I wish May was here.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: boO on April 13, 2013, 08:48:19 AM
Boo... You know, May does have a younger sister! LOL.

Should I give her your number?

LHG

LHG

 ;D


How awkward... :-[... I'm a female..


I do like girls but it's unfortunate I do not bat for the same team. I love *insert word* too much.

I wish may's there with you too.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on April 13, 2013, 05:07:05 PM
Baddabing -

I am single and NOT attached in anyway and I don't advocate that anyone follow my steps or do what I am doing. This is by no means a commercial for everyone in the USA. Just so there is NOT any misunderstandi ng, May and I have problems to overcome... but that's what dating a person is all about. So, you get to know them... And again, we're only starting out.

Vang Vieng - all the bars near the river are shut down and all the swings have been cut down. I see a lot of vacancies at the restaurants and hotels. There is rumor that the government will lift the ban for Pei Mai, but I will not know for sure until tomorrow.

LHG

is it just the bars on/by the river shutting down, or the whole tourist area being shut down too?

It's sad that these white folks are so irresponsible and caused such problem to the area.  Now the locals there are afraid of the river and don't want to go near it, saying there's bad spirits in the river now that there's been many deaths in it.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on April 16, 2013, 01:20:44 AM
Happy New Year from Laos!!!!

I was hoping to see May one more time, but she left early this morning. I got a phone call from her at 8:00 AM and she was already on a taxi heading towards None Hai. I miss her already, she left me her shirt and her scent still lingers. I miss her so much. If not the the hotel reservations in Vang Vieng, I think I would follow her home this minute.  I feel so empty and aimless today. Have you ever wanted some so bad, you can almost taste it? It’s is within reach of your hands and yet you can’t hold it. Such sweet torture.

My cousin drove me to the bus station in KM52 and we passed the Pho Restaurant where May and I had dinner last night. I swear, I could still see her sitting there and laughing at me, her bright and beautiful smile. I don’t know what I will do for the next 3 days. I wish she could have come with me. I wish she did not have to go back to her store. I wish I was with her right now.

The bus ride to Vang Vieng was long, much longer than I remembered. I am sure thinking about May and the constant checking of my phone made the trip seem longer. She did not called.
 There is a warm breeze blowing today in the town of Vang Vieng, much of the smog that has been holding over the town is now gone. The lush green limestone mountains are so beautiful and all are within  sight. The air is fresh with only a linger of smoke from the hills nearby.

Near the airport, a carnival has sprung up, with tents, vendors and games. All for the New Year Celebration, I am told. There is a bumber car, darts and balloons, clothing venders, bbq meat and fruit stands. Reminds me very much of Fresno Hmong New Year or 4th of July at Como Park.  Kids and adults running around and music blasting away. Walking to my hotel, I was spray with water, twice. I guess the celebration started early.
Tomorrow, I will explore the town. Pei Mai (Lao New Year) has begin.  I wish May was here.

LHG

I could have told you about your sadness of missing the girl ahead of time but I wanted to let you experience it full blast.

There's this kool hmong song sing by a guy, The song is about, "time to leave and say good by", listen to that on your last day there...and see if you can hold back on the tears.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on April 16, 2013, 01:24:48 AM
wont you share some nice pictures of Laos with us, you don't have to be in it.  Just some nice pictures will be appreciated.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 16, 2013, 06:38:59 AM
LHG

 ;D


How awkward... :-[... I'm a female..


I do like girls but it's unfortunate I do not bat for the same team. I love *insert word* too much.

I wish may's there with you too.

Boo.. LOL.

Sorry... I am glad.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 16, 2013, 06:43:59 AM
is it just the bars on/by the river shutting down, or the whole tourist area being shut down too?

It's sad that these white folks are so irresponsible and caused such problem to the area.  Now the locals there are afraid of the river and don't want to go near it, saying there's bad spirits in the river now that there's been many deaths in it.
Baddabing...

The tubing and kayak is still here, but all the bars, swings, and water slides are gone. NO more. For New Years, the city officials did allow a 3 day exception, but that ended today.

I was at the river side for the first day and had a blast, by my cousin says there is only 1/10 for the white tourist that usually comes here. I still had fun either way.

BTW - I am back in None Hai.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 16, 2013, 06:45:01 AM
wont you share some nice pictures of Laos with us, you don't have to be in it.  Just some nice pictures will be appreciated.

PM your email and I will send you some. Uploading here is so slow.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 16, 2013, 06:58:11 AM
Pandora's box

How does one pick up all the pieces of his life again, after so much has happen? How can one live the life he knew before, when so much has changed? When in your heart and in your soul, you know that things can never be the same again, things can never go back to the way they were? Think back to your own life and everyone has been here. A turning point in their life, that will forever shape your life. Whether it is your wedding day, your divorce, the birth of your baby, or the death of a love one, we all have has a defining point in our life. If NOT, I almost pity you and envy you.

Long ago, I remember the first time I lied to my mother and it broke her heart. From that point on, she knew I was no longer a child and my mother would never think of me as her baby again. In her eyes, that instance in my life, I have become an adult and a man. And not matter how hard we tried, she and I both knew we could never go back. Some wounds are just too deep and some doors can never be shut once opened.

Vang Vieng was all that I thought it would be and more... so much more. The limestone mountains are breathtaking. The weather was is mild and pleasant. The people are friendly.

Outside of my hotel room, the street is lined with kids, teenagers and even adults. Everyone has a bucket of water, a hose or a water guns in hand. As cars, motorcycles and pedestrians pass by, everyone is waved down and splashed with water. Some are offered a glass of beer and a sprinkle of tapioca powder. Load music fills the streets as truck loads full of people drive. Everyone is soaking wet and everyone has a smile on their face. If you ever want to be a kid or feel like one again, Pei Mai is your time and place in Laos.

Against my better judgement, I left Vang Vieng early, 2 days early. I am back in None Hai. I guess May had a bigger impact on my life than I thought. I am going to surprise her tomorrow when she opens her store!

Talk to you soon.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: boO on April 16, 2013, 07:00:41 AM
LHG!

Yay! My friend and I predicted you'd follow May.  We are rooting for you.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Gawmp on April 16, 2013, 07:48:20 AM
LHG!

Yay! My friend and I predicted you'd follow May.  We are rooting for you.

I believe May was the reason for the trip back in the first place  O0

LHG - share at least one pix of you and May even if the internet is dog slow. Just upload it and let it run and go chit chat with May and before you know it...it's done and posted...

Looks like you're having fun
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lindavue on April 16, 2013, 05:14:54 PM
Does anyone how long does it take to get your passport and visa back from lao embassy in washington dc??
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: maipovci on April 16, 2013, 06:57:03 PM
Does anyone how long does it take to get your passport and visa back from lao embassy in washington dc??

two weeks max.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Gawmp on April 17, 2013, 07:47:46 AM
Does anyone how long does it take to get your passport and visa back from lao embassy in washington dc??

If you wanted faster, you can give them a call. On my last trip, I called and was able to talk to one of the hmong guy that was working there and he expedited mine and got it the next day.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lindavue on April 17, 2013, 02:00:06 PM
If you wanted faster, you can give them a call. On my last trip, I called and was able to talk to one of the hmong guy that was working there and he expedited mine and got it the next day.

I'm leaving this Saturday, and I have sent it last week with a prepaid overnight return envelope. Still I tried contacting them by emailing, calling and faxing and still no one seems to repsond to me. I did reach the hmong guy last week but he say he will call me back when he checks on it but no call. What's next if I don't get my passport back by friday? Anyone know another way i Can get it expedite or have them resend back my passport instead?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Gawmp on April 18, 2013, 09:22:04 AM
I'm leaving this Saturday, and I have sent it last week with a prepaid overnight return envelope. Still I tried contacting them by emailing, calling and faxing and still no one seems to repsond to me. I did reach the hmong guy last week but he say he will call me back when he checks on it but no call. What's next if I don't get my passport back by friday? Anyone know another way i Can get it expedite or have them resend back my passport instead?

Did you stress to him that you are leaving Saturday? If I were you, I'd call them back and tell them to expedite ASAP.

The hmong guy that i talked to was pretty good at getting back with me. When I called, I explained to him that it was getting really close to my departure date and I would like to have my passport and visa before my departure. He said he will check on it and told me to hold. He came back and said he will work on it and once he is done he will call me back. about 15-20 minutes later he called and said it was ready.

you only have today and tomorrow left....this is really pushing it....
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 20, 2013, 07:38:03 PM
LHG!

Yay! My friend and I predicted you'd follow May.  We are rooting for you.

Boo

I am glad I did not disappoint you! LOL. I hate to admit this, but you women have so much power over a man's heart.

LGH

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 20, 2013, 07:42:51 PM
I believe May was the reason for the trip back in the first place  O0

LHG - share at least one pix of you and May even if the internet is dog slow. Just upload it and let it run and go chit chat with May and before you know it...it's done and posted...

Looks like you're having fun

I will share pictures, I promised! Right now, I am just too tired mentally.

Thanks for the well wishes.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 20, 2013, 08:05:05 PM
Does anyone how long does it take to get your passport and visa back from lao embassy in washington dc??

Lindavue,

I am hoping you are already on your way to Laos with your passport. I apologize for not checking on this BLOG and not responding to you earlier.

For everyone else and for future reference, the process of getting your visa done with the Laos consulate in Washington should not take more than 2 weeks. However, there is no written policy or guarantee and you should allow yourself plenty of wiggle room.

Once the Laos Consulate has approved your Visa request, you will have 45 days to use it. This would mean you could send in your request as early as a month before your trip.

With my first trip to Laos, I took the same route you did and got my visa before heading to Laos. This time around, I got my visa "on arrival" and did not have any issues at all. Having done both now, I would highly recommend getting one "on arrival". It is fast, easy and a lot cheaper. In addition, you don't have to part with your passport and in your case, be in any danger of missing your flight.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 20, 2013, 09:41:51 PM
All good things must come to an end...

For the first time in my life, I was hoping the sun would not rise and I truly wished for morning not to come. When I first got to Laos, I knew this day would eventually come, but I did not realized it would be here so soon. How quickly the time has passed, like a thief in the night, minutes quickly turned to hours and hours disappeared into days. Please let this be a gentle reminder for us all and a model for what our lives will be. Just as my days in Laos are numbered, our own time on Earth is also brief, a passing moment is all we get. Whether you want to believe it or not but it is curtain that you will someday have to leave this earth too.

I am packed... All my stuff throw into my suitcases, the dirty clothes are mixed with the clean and some still damp. Shirts, shorts, socks, all are pushed, shoved, and crammed inside... gone is the care and attention I have given it before. Gone is the order and attention to detail, I just do not have it in me anymore.

In a few hours I will have to leave for the airport. In a few hours I will be leaving Laos again and in a few hours I will have to say good bye to May. For now I  am sitting here in my hotel room starring at May and she at me. There is so much I want to say to May, and yet there is a strange silence between us. Words escape me, everything that needed to be said already has yet I feel an empty need to speak... How does one expressed into words what normally takes a life time to prove. How do you show someone love when there only hours and seconds left to be together?

I can already feel the heat again, it's going to be a rough day.

I will not speak to you all again, not until I am back to the states. I really don't know how my good bye with May will go... But right now I am just too mentally tired to think. Talk to you all soon.


LHG

 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: boO on April 21, 2013, 12:58:37 AM
LHG

 :'(

safe travels back to the states.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 22, 2013, 01:55:48 PM
LHG

 :'(

safe travels back to the states.

Thank you boo... I am back.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: NceegVaj on April 22, 2013, 02:02:59 PM
All good things must come to an end...

For the first time in my life, I was hoping the sun would not rise and I truly wished for morning not to come. When I first got to Laos, I knew this day would eventually come, but I did not realized it would be here so soon. How quickly the time has passed, like a thief in the night, minutes quickly turned to hours and hours disappeared into days. Please let this be a gentle reminder for us all and a model for what our lives will be. Just as my days in Laos are numbered, our own time on Earth is also brief, a passing moment is all we get. Whether you want to believe it or not but it is curtain that you will someday have to leave this earth too.

I am packed... All my stuff throw into my suitcases, the dirty clothes are mixed with the clean and some still damp. Shirts, shorts, socks, all are pushed, shoved, and crammed inside... gone is the care and attention I have given it before. Gone is the order and attention to detail, I just do not have it in me anymore.

In a few hours I will have to leave for the airport. In a few hours I will be leaving Laos again and in a few hours I will have to say good bye to May. For now I  am sitting here in my hotel room starring at May and she at me. There is so much I want to say to May, and yet there is a strange silence between us. Words escape me, everything that needed to be said already has yet I feel an empty need to speak... How does one expressed into words what normally takes a life time to prove. How do you show someone love when there only hours and seconds left to be together?

I can already feel the heat again, it's going to be a rough day.

I will not speak to you all again, not until I am back to the states. I really don't know how my good bye with May will go... But right now I am just too mentally tired to think. Talk to you all soon.


LHG

 

LHG,  my lonely Hmong man...

Get back to the states and let's go party!!! yaha...we'll show you the good time!

I miss and love you !!   :-*

If May misses you don't you forget us!!

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 22, 2013, 02:27:12 PM
Home, part 1

Well, I am back. For better or for worst, I am home again. My plane touched down at SF International Airport yesterday evening.

We left my hotel room in Vientiane for Wattay Airport a little before 4:00 PM Saturday afternoon on what seemed like the hottest day of my stay in Laos. My departure time was 6:00 PM. The night before, May had accompanied me to Vientiane from None Hai and we settled into a hotel near the Mekong River, the same hotel I had stayed in for two days when I first arrived in Laos.

May and I ate dinner near Talad Sao and  decided to walked down to the Mekong River to take in the sunset and browse the Night Market. A strong breeze had blown in from the East, making for an almost perfect evening. We stroll along the river, occasionally stopping to sit and catch a glimpse of the sun setting over the Mekong. The smog from the burning rice fields nearby that was hanging over the city made for a spectacular sunset. The sun was bright red with brilliant shades of orange and yellow.

For those that have never been to Vientiane, there is a 2 mile section of the Mekong River, directly down from Talad Sao that has been nicely developed. This section of the riverbank has been strengthened with concrete blocks; there is a guard rail and a paved walking path over the levee. The grass is nicely manicured; there is a playground for the kids to play on, and there are flowers and young trees planted everywhere. Large trash cans and park benches have been placed every few meters, the benches were a welcome relief to rest my tired feet. All of this, was a gift from the Japanese people, I am told.

May and I spoke very little as I am sure we both were preoccupied with thoughts of my trip home the next morning. As we walked along the riverbank, I could only think of what laid ahead of me, primarily, my trip home.  I could only think about what was waiting for me at home. I could only think of the bills that must be pilling up and all the chores around my house that needed my attention. My mind was already set on my empty home and the loneliness that must be waiting there for me... tried as I might, I could not enjoy the moment nor could I see the beauty in front of me, a decision that I am regretting today.

We left the riverbank and the Night Market around 10 PM, just as some of the vendors were getting ready to pack up and call it a night. Considering how late it was and for being in a city of this size, I never felt we were in any danger. Laos has a very low crime rate, aside from the occasion pick pocket. We did not meet anyone strange or encounter any unsafe situations. During my entire trip in Laos and in all the cities that I stayed in, I did not hear a single ambulance or see any police cars rushing to a crime scene.

We walked back to our hotel rooms and talked for sometime before going to bed. May jokingly asked if I would extend my stay, but we both knew it was not possible… I am sorry I told her. It’s was the first time I saw sadness in her face.

More tomorrow…
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: yoursunrise4ever on April 22, 2013, 02:44:31 PM
LHG,
 
Glad that you made it safely back to the USA. What an experience you've had huh? A lifetime of experience and it only comes once. I'm glad that you were able to taste a moment of happiness. However long or short it may be, it will remain with you forever. I hope that you and May will reunite again.
 
Take care! ;)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 22, 2013, 02:55:57 PM
LHG,  my lonely Hmong man...

Get back to the states and let's go party!!! yaha...we'll show you the good time!

I miss and love you !!   :-*

If May misses you don't you forget us!!

My beautiful Hmong Woman!!! I would love to party with you. LOL.

On a more seriously note, I feel a deep depression setting in... and I am not quite sure how to get rid of it. Every part of me, every inch of my body and soul wishes I was still there.

LHG

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 22, 2013, 03:13:36 PM
LHG,
 
Glad that you made it safely back to the USA. What an experience you've had huh? A lifetime of experience and it only comes once. I'm glad that you were able to taste a moment of happiness. However long or short it may be, it will remain with you forever. I hope that you and May will reunite again.
 
Take care! ;)

Thank you.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: boO on April 22, 2013, 03:43:06 PM
My beautiful Hmong Woman!!! I would love to party with you. LOL.

On a more seriously note, I feel a deep depression setting in... and I am not quite sure how to get rid of it. Every part of me, every inch of my body and soul wishes I was still there.

LHG

Because you left your heart over there...
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on April 23, 2013, 07:19:52 AM
Glad you made it back safe to the US bro! I've been following your blog since your trip and thanks for sharing.  Might I also say that you are quite the writer! It seems you developed a great relationship with May during your stay in Laos.  Why not just purpose and bring her over?  Life is short, and we're not getting any younger right?  O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 23, 2013, 12:50:09 PM
Because you left your heart over there...

Boo... I hope you're right and that's all that is is. I am back at work today and let me tell you... I don't want to be here! All my thoughts are on None Hai, those dusty dirty roads and the bamboo houses. I even miss the heat and humidity. I hope I can sanp out of this, my work is starting to pill up again.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 23, 2013, 12:53:28 PM
Glad you made it back safe to the US bro! I've been following your blog since your trip and thanks for sharing.  Might I also say that you are quite the writer! It seems you developed a great relationship with May during your stay in Laos.  Why not just purpose and bring her over?  Life is short, and we're not getting any younger right?  O0

Hey MenyuamHmoob.. . Thanks for reading and the positive vibes. I purchased 40 dollars worth of phone cards and burned thru them during the last 48 hours talking to May... LOL. I need to pick up some more today. Definitely going to keep in touch with her.

Will keep you posted.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 23, 2013, 01:03:22 PM
Home, Part 2   

From a distance, May looks pale but if you hold her closely; her soft skin is creaming white and her lips and cheeks are a beautiful shade of pink. She has a round face, her big bright eyes are charcoal black, her long straight hair is dark brown and her nose is short and round. Her lips are full and when she smiles, there is a small dimple on her right cheek.  May rarely wears any makeup, because of her sensitive skin, she tells me.

As our last night together dragged on, we were running out of words to say to each other. Having shared our pasts, we both knew quit well the hardships and pain that we are currently in. We’re no longer teenagers and we can’t afford any of the mistakes of our youth. For the moment, our jokes and laughter were only masking the real issue we were both too afraid to discuss. In truth, neither of us could bring ourselves to talk about the real issue at hand, mainly, what will become of us after tonight?  Do we really have a future together? And more importantly, what we must do and what must we have to overcome to have a future together?

Honestly, the purpose of my trip to Laos was not to find a wife, let alone, to meet anyone like May. I told May I had no immediate plans to return to Laos when she asked me. I truly did not know. I guess May would have more to lose in all of this because all her trust would be on me; all her hopes would be pinned on my promise to return to her. When I told her I did not know, tears filled her eyes and her smile faded.

They say the eyes are the window to the soul and I truly believe this is true. Seeing anyone cry, especially May, someone who I care so much about, is just heartbreaking. I guess I could have lied and told her that I would be back soon; I guess I could have taken the easy way out. But how could I, how could I lie to May after all that we have shared and after all that we have been through… I just held her as her silent tears soaked my shoulder.

The tuk tuk ride to Wattay Airport from my hotel was 50,000 kips for the 4 of us, my cousin, his wife, May and myself. The airport was nearly empty, unlike the scene of my arrival a few weeks earlier. There was not anyone in line and nearly all the seats in the waiting area were vacant. I handed my passport to a Laotian lady at the ticketing counter at exactly 4:45 PM. After a few strokes on her keyboard, she handed me back my passport and a boarding pass. I placed both of my checked luggages on the scale, it read 32 kg, and a porter placed them on a running conveyer belt behind the counter.

More tomorrow…

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: NceegVaj on April 23, 2013, 01:41:27 PM
Hey MenyuamHmoob.. . Thanks for reading and the positive vibes. I purchased 40 dollars worth of phone cards and burned thru them during the last 48 hours talking to May... LOL. I need to pick up some more today. Definitely going to keep in touch with her.

Will keep you posted.

LHG
Home, Part 2   

From a distance, May looks pale but if you hold her closely; her soft skin is creaming white and her lips and cheeks are a beautiful shade of pink. She has a round face, her big bright eyes are charcoal black, her long straight hair is dark brown and her nose is short and round. Her lips are full and when she smiles, there is a small dimple on her right cheek.  May rarely wears any makeup, because of her sensitive skin, she tells me.

As our last night together dragged on, we were running out of words to say to each other. Having shared our pasts, we both knew quit well the hardships and pain that we are currently in. We’re no longer teenagers and we can’t afford any of the mistakes of our youth. For the moment, our jokes and laughter were only masking the real issue we were both too afraid to discuss. In truth, neither of us could bring ourselves to talk about the real issue at hand, mainly, what will become of us after tonight?  Do we really have a future together? And more importantly, what we must do and what must we have to overcome to have a future together?

Honestly, the purpose of my trip to Laos was not to find a wife, let alone, to meet anyone like May. I told May I had no immediate plans to return to Laos when she asked me. I truly did not know. I guess May would have more to lose in all of this because all her trust would be on me; all her hopes would be pinned on my promise to return to her. When I told her I did not know, tears filled her eyes and her smile faded.

They say the eyes are the window to the soul and I truly believe this is true. Seeing anyone cry, especially May, someone who I care so much about, is just heartbreaking. I guess I could have lied and told her that I would be back soon; I guess I could have taken the easy way out. But how could I, how could I lie to May after all that we have shared and after all that we have been through… I just held her as her silent tears soaked my shoulder.

The tuk tuk ride to Wattay Airport from my hotel was 50,000 kips for the 4 of us, my cousin, his wife, May and myself. The airport was nearly empty, unlike the scene of my arrival a few weeks earlier. There was not anyone in line and nearly all the seats in the waiting area were vacant. I handed my passport to a Laotian lady at the ticketing counter at exactly 4:45 PM. After a few strokes on her keyboard, she handed me back my passport and a boarding pass. I placed both of my checked luggages on the scale, it read 32 kg, and a porter placed them on a running conveyer belt behind the counter.

More tomorrow…

LHG


Lonely Hmong Man,

Such a good expression writing .  Write a book make a fortunate to go back. LOL.

One blast with Hmong USA and you never go back.   As long as you two didn't stretch legs together I think you both are fine.  Even so, it is better to love lost then never loved at all, right?

Hey, I could use that $40.  What about that loving kids of yours?  Aren't they longing for your warmth chest?  BTW, seriously, I can sell you a better way to call LAOS.

-n
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on April 23, 2013, 03:01:52 PM
awe.  welcome back to reality... and all those stacks of bills.   O0

yeah... what an ending to your laos journey round 2.. and with a twist...  i was hoping you'd say you'd go  back for her asap.  hehehe.  it's never too late to start the paperwork ya know!  good luck to you and may. 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: skyy on April 23, 2013, 08:18:27 PM
May = hmongti te'o.  No pic no care
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on April 24, 2013, 08:42:33 AM
May = hmongti te'o.  No pic no care

LMFAO!!! PUahahahaah!! A game of CATFISH from LHG!?? I don't know, the brother writes too well for me to tell. I'm sure LHG wouldn't mind sharing with his awesome fans, some photos of him and May.  :2funny:
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 24, 2013, 02:11:34 PM
LMFAO!!! PUahahahaah!! A game of CATFISH from LHG!?? I don't know, the brother writes too well for me to tell. I'm sure LHG wouldn't mind sharing with his awesome fans, some photos of him and May.  :2funny:

For obvious reasons... I would rather not post any pictures of May on this site. PM me and I will see what I can do for you. :)

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 24, 2013, 02:12:39 PM
Lonely Hmong Man,

Such a good expression writing .  Write a book make a fortunate to go back. LOL.

One blast with Hmong USA and you never go back.   As long as you two didn't stretch legs together I think you both are fine.  Even so, it is better to love lost then never loved at all, right?

Hey, I could use that $40.  What about that loving kids of yours?  Aren't they longing for your warmth chest?  BTW, seriously, I can sell you a better way to call LAOS.

-n

I am open to all options... DO you have a cheaper way to call Laos?

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 24, 2013, 02:13:42 PM
awe.  welcome back to reality... and all those stacks of bills.   O0

yeah... what an ending to your laos journey round 2.. and with a twist...  i was hoping you'd say you'd go  back for her asap.  hehehe.  it's never too late to start the paperwork ya know!  good luck to you and may.

Thank you for the well wishes.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 24, 2013, 02:22:25 PM
Home, Part 3

As a kid, do you remember wishing for things or had ideas that now as adults may seem silly and irrational. You may not have but I did. I used to daydream about such foolish things all the time. For me, I had this crazy idea that if I wished for something hard enough and believe in it hard enough, that whatever I wished for would come true. Idiotic, I know. But as kids, I guess, we all cope with our fears in our own unique way and mine was to wish for things I lacked.

I remember one summer, back in the late 80s; my mother had fallen into a deep depression. Chronic depression runs in my mother’s side of the family, but at the time we did not know it. We had just recently immigrated to the US and my parents were still very fearful of doctors and western medicine. The old Hmong women and the Hmong men who came to visit called it “kho siab” and attributed her feelings of loneliness to her lost soul. But no matter how many “hu plig” or jingle bell our family did for my mother, her depression never went away. Eventually, she became a vegetable, staring out the window for days on end. The life and vitality that she once had was gone. Even at my age, I knew something was wrong. I knew my mother was sick and for a little child, losing one’s mother must be his greatest fear; at least for me it was.

In my heart, I prayed and wished everyday for my mother to get better. Thinking I was not wishing hard enough, I would clinch my fist and close my eyes tightly. Many, many days of wishing and praying passed and soon my hopes and dreams faded. Even God did not have pity on this poor kid, I thought. I have not mentioned this to anyone until just now, but that summer was one of the lowest points in my life. My mother did eventually get better, once summer ended. As time pass, her laughter and her smile also return. By winter, she became sociable again, but I will never be the same again.

At around 5:00 PM, a voice came on the public announcement at Vientiane Airport, asking for anyone who was flying out on the 6:00 PM flight to Hanoi to check in at the security desk. My heart sink. For a moment again, I clinched my fist and shut my eyes tightly. God, I pray, why can’t there a computer glitch, a fire at the boarding gate, an earthquake, or something that only Providence can explain. Please just let me stay here just a bit longer!

Minutes passed and reality set in, a pat on my back from my cousin reminded me that I was no longer 12 years old and that it was time to go. I held May one last time as tears were streaming down our faces. Her last words to me were, “don’t go to long”. She waved as I passed the immigration clerks and headed towards the waiting area. Just like that, she was out of my life again and just like that she was gone.

Final Thoughts tomorrow…

LHG. 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: boO on April 24, 2013, 07:20:53 PM
LHG.... Have you ever play the card game "bullshit"? I call bullshit. Why so much writing and no pix? Not even a pix of Laos.

Don't be an ass. Dont wreck the essence of LHG's thread with your idiotic garbage.

Have a good day...:)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 24, 2013, 07:52:28 PM
LHG.... Have you ever play the card game "bullshit"? I call bullshit. Why so much writing and no pix? Not even a pix of Laos.

It is EXACTLY because of people like you and your comments that I don't post pictures here.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 24, 2013, 07:52:55 PM
Don't be an ass. Dont wreck the essence of LHG's thread with your idiotic garbage.

Have a good day...:)

PM me with your email... I will send you some pics.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on April 25, 2013, 09:31:25 AM
For obvious reasons... I would rather not post any pictures of May on this site. PM me and I will see what I can do for you. :)

LHG

Don't sweat the idiotic comments from others in here bro.  Whether your stories are true or fake, only those who have experienced Laos can relate.  And I can relate to a lot of the places, experiences you have described.  I'm not demanding you send a pic for confirmation, but it would be nice to see you and the lady of your dreams.  Inbox me a pic if you dont mind.  Lastly, good luck to you and May.  It's a hard process, but i wish that things work out for the best for both of you. 

P.s.  I'm planning to go this year during the new years.  We'll see how things pan out.  ;D
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: yoursunrise4ever on April 25, 2013, 10:03:28 AM
Skyy, you are just filled with hate and jealousy that it's was NOT YOU that had the opportunity to experience all this. Otherwise, you wouldn't be all up in here posting all your nonsense stuffs. LHG doesn't have to post any pictures to justify or to collaborate his story. I know him to be a sincere and honest man. Don't rub off your hate onto other people. If you don't have anything nice to say, keep it to yourself. You have the right not to read this thread if it hurts you that much!
 
Have a great day!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 25, 2013, 12:45:23 PM
Don't sweat the idiotic comments from others in here bro.  Whether your stories are true or fake, only those who have experienced Laos can relate.  And I can relate to a lot of the places, experiences you have described.  I'm not demanding you send a pic for confirmation, but it would be nice to see you and the lady of your dreams.  Inbox me a pic if you dont mind.  Lastly, good luck to you and May.  It's a hard process, but i wish that things work out for the best for both of you. 

P.s.  I'm planning to go this year during the new years.  We'll see how things pan out.  ;D

No worries bro... some people have an agenda and unfortunately, they will never see the world past their front doors. Too bad too.

I hope you have a great trip. Believe it or not, I might be heading back for New Years.. PM me as the time approaches. Hopefully, we can meet up over there.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 25, 2013, 12:46:33 PM
Skyy, you are just filled with hate and jealousy that it's was NOT YOU that had the opportunity to experience all this. Otherwise, you wouldn't be all up in here posting all your nonsense stuffs. LHG doesn't have to post any pictures to justify or to collaborate his story. I know him to be a sincere and honest man. Don't rub off your hate onto other people. If you don't have anything nice to say, keep it to yourself. You have the right not to read this thread if it hurts you that much!
 
Have a great day!
Sunrise.... always to my rescue!! :) Thank you.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 25, 2013, 01:01:33 PM
Until next time…

Entering and leaving Laos, as far as I can relate, is like dating and breaking up with someone. Seriously, bear with me for a second and I will explain the similarities. When I first arrived in Laos, on what seems like months ago, I was filled with excitement, joy, hope and happiness. Somewhat like the start a relationship with someone new. Everything, every detail seemed like a source of joy and happiness. As soon as the plane landed, I was on my feet and already looking around. I could not wait another minute to get off and to step onto the street. The anticipation of seeing my cousins, the smell in the air, the heat, the humidity, everything about Laos, I wanted to see. Simply put, it was pure joy.

Now, with the thought of leaving Laos looming, my mood had completely changed to one of sorrow, regret and despair. Gone was the excitement, gone was the happy mood and gone was hope that I have had just a few weeks before. Regrettably, my relationship with Laos was coming to an end… and like most breakups, I was lost and miserable. Like a heart broken lover, I wanted nothing more than to delay the end that I knew was coming. I thought about everything that would stop that plane from taking off. Give me one more hour, one more day, please, I begged!  Coming home was the last thing I wanted to. Rather dramatic, I am sure, but those were the thoughts racing through my mind that day.

I settled into a chair in the waiting room in front of Gates1 and 2 at Wattay Airport on Saturday afternoon, a little bit past 5:00 PM. My carry-on bag was at my side and my lunch of boiled chicken and rice my cousins had made for me was clutch tightly in my hand. The rice and chicken was still warm to the touch and only made me miss everyone I was leaving behind even more.

Sitting a row over and to the right of me were 4 little old Hmong ladies. Despite the heat and humidity around us, the 4 little old ladies had on multiple layers of clothes, thick jackets and long black polyester pants, the kind of pants my own grandmother would often wear. On their necks, everyone had a thick white string that had been tied into a necklace. And on that necklace was a laminated 4x6 card with their names and flight numbers on it. Unlike me, they were very talkative and full of excitement. Even while sitting down, I see that 3 of the 4 little ladies were still carrying their backpacks; like what 3 little girls would do before the start of a trip to the beach or to Disneyland. Seeing how happy they were bought a smile and laughter to my face.

As it turns out, the 4 little old Hmong ladies were coming to America. All 4 of them were from Xieng Khouang however they weren’t related. 3 of the 4 ladies were heading to Fresno, California and the last and smallest one was going to Madison, Wisconsin. I can only imagine the fear they must have and the excitement they must feel. I can only wonder how they will make the leap from South East Asia to 20th Century USA. I can only imagine the culture shock, the things they will do, the people they will meet and the places they will visit, I envy them! And I hope they will have a good visit and a great time in America.

The 4 little old ladies and I boarded the same plane heading to Hanoi. With a blast from the engines, our plane lifted off and for the second time in a year, I am leaving Laos again. As the plane leveled off, I peeked out my window. Below me, among the thousands of dimly lit houses was May and her little store. Down there, was someone I truly cared for.  Quietly, I whisper, “May, I will be back for you”.

Well, that’s my trip. The 4 little old ladies and I parted ways in Hanoi, their route included Japan than onto LAX, while mine was to South Korea and San Francisco.

As for Laos, despite what you have heard and think you know, unless you have been there yourself, you must not judge.  Laos is neither good nor bad, it is neither heaven nor hell, and it is definitely nothing like the stories you have heard. Laos is both beautiful and simple. The people are friendly and warm. It is what it is and nothing more. I truly hope you have a chance to visit Laos someday. And if you still need a reason, go find where your grandparents came from, go find your roots. Because like the old saying goes, “it’s your past that defines your future” and without knowing our past, how can we know who we are today. Again, go with an open mind and I promise, you will have a great time.

Until next time, good bye and good luck to you all… I promise I will stop by, from time to time, and check on everyone. Perhaps give you all an update on how things are going for May and I.

Happy Travels, LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: boO on April 25, 2013, 04:52:27 PM
LHG

Thank- you for sharing your travels with us.

Be well and happy...

:)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: NceegVaj on April 26, 2013, 02:28:52 PM
Master Author LHG,

Before you go...questions .

1.  Tell us more about the bribe bags this time you went; did you have bribe them $10-20 again? why?

2.  Those little ladies, they are the mother of the 2nd wife of Hmong American aren't they?

thank.s

Until next time…

Entering and leaving Laos, as far as I can relate, is like dating and breaking up with someone. Seriously, bear with me for a second and I will explain the similarities. When I first arrived in Laos, on what seems like months ago, I was filled with excitement, joy, hope and happiness. Somewhat like the start a relationship with someone new. Everything, every detail seemed like a source of joy and happiness. As soon as the plane landed, I was on my feet and already looking around. I could not wait another minute to get off and to step onto the street. The anticipation of seeing my cousins, the smell in the air, the heat, the humidity, everything about Laos, I wanted to see. Simply put, it was pure joy.

Now, with the thought of leaving Laos looming, my mood had completely changed to one of sorrow, regret and despair. Gone was the excitement, gone was the happy mood and gone was hope that I have had just a few weeks before. Regrettably, my relationship with Laos was coming to an end… and like most breakups, I was lost and miserable. Like a heart broken lover, I wanted nothing more than to delay the end that I knew was coming. I thought about everything that would stop that plane from taking off. Give me one more hour, one more day, please, I begged!  Coming home was the last thing I wanted to. Rather dramatic, I am sure, but those were the thoughts racing through my mind that day.

I settled into a chair in the waiting room in front of Gates1 and 2 at Wattay Airport on Saturday afternoon, a little bit past 5:00 PM. My carry-on bag was at my side and my lunch of boiled chicken and rice my cousins had made for me was clutch tightly in my hand. The rice and chicken was still warm to the touch and only made me miss everyone I was leaving behind even more.

Sitting a row over and to the right of me were 4 little old Hmong ladies. Despite the heat and humidity around us, the 4 little old ladies had on multiple layers of clothes, thick jackets and long black polyester pants, the kind of pants my own grandmother would often wear. On their necks, everyone had a thick white string that had been tied into a necklace. And on that necklace was a laminated 4x6 card with their names and flight numbers on it. Unlike me, they were very talkative and full of excitement. Even while sitting down, I see that 3 of the 4 little ladies were still carrying their backpacks; like what 3 little girls would do before the start of a trip to the beach or to Disneyland. Seeing how happy they were bought a smile and laughter to my face.

As it turns out, the 4 little old Hmong ladies were coming to America. All 4 of them were from Xieng Khouang however they weren’t related. 3 of the 4 ladies were heading to Fresno, California and the last and smallest one was going to Madison, Wisconsin. I can only imagine the fear they must have and the excitement they must feel. I can only wonder how they will make the leap from South East Asia to 20th Century USA. I can only imagine the culture shock, the things they will do, the people they will meet and the places they will visit, I envy them! And I hope they will have a good visit and a great time in America.

The 4 little old ladies and I boarded the same plane heading to Hanoi. With a blast from the engines, our plane lifted off and for the second time in a year, I am leaving Laos again. As the plane leveled off, I peeked out my window. Below me, among the thousands of dimly lit houses was May and her little store. Down there, was someone I truly cared for.  Quietly, I whisper, “May, I will be back for you”.

Well, that’s my trip. The 4 little old ladies and I parted ways in Hanoi, their route included Japan than onto LAX, while mine was to South Korea and San Francisco.

As for Laos, despite what you have heard and think you know, unless you have been there yourself, you must not judge.  Laos is neither good nor bad, it is neither heaven nor hell, and it is definitely nothing like the stories you have heard. Laos is both beautiful and simple. The people are friendly and warm. It is what it is and nothing more. I truly hope you have a chance to visit Laos someday. And if you still need a reason, go find where your grandparents came from, go find your roots. Because like the old saying goes, “it’s your past that defines your future” and without knowing our past, how can we know who we are today. Again, go with an open mind and I promise, you will have a great time.

Until next time, good bye and good luck to you all… I promise I will stop by, from time to time, and check on everyone. Perhaps give you all an update on how things are going for May and I.

Happy Travels, LHG

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 27, 2013, 12:58:26 AM
LHG, please don't go too long. ;) (Taken from your context)

TH - don't worry, I am not far away. If you ever need me, just call. I will come.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 27, 2013, 01:00:17 AM
LHG

Thank- you for sharing your travels with us.

Be well and happy...

:)

Boo,

Thank you... It was a pleasure to share with you all a little piece of my life. I am glad you enjoyed it, it was fun telling my stories.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on April 27, 2013, 01:00:59 AM
Master Author LHG,

Before you go...questions .

1.  Tell us more about the bribe bags this time you went; did you have bribe them $10-20 again? why?

2.  Those little ladies, they are the mother of the 2nd wife of Hmong American aren't they?

thank.s

Hello My Beautiful Hmong Girl...

Why does your beautiful face haunt my dreams every night? I can't get you out of my head. So of course, for you, anything, I would be more than happy to answer your questions.

1.  Tell us more about the bribe bags this time you went; did you have bribe them $10-20 again? why?

After departing the plane, everyone must pass the Borders/Customs Gate at Wattay Airport, which has two lines. If you have a Pre-approved Visa, you go to Left line, if NOT, you go to Right line. I went onto the Right side where an Immigration Clerk was waiting. Everyone in this line must have a passport photo and will need to fill out a "Visa on Arrival Form". The Visa Form comes in 2 parts; on one side is the "Entry" and on the other side is the “Exit” questionnaire. For faster processing, don't wait until after you have already filled have your Visa Application to get in line. I suggest you stand inline while filling out the form. Filling out the form takes time and the line will become longer as you wait.

On the right line, the "First Immigration Clerk" you see will the most important person in Laos. He/She will either approve or deny your Visa claim. 99.9999 percent of the time you will be approved for a Visa. I have yet to see anyone denial, although I have heard stories of with certain individuals. Typically, individuals who have VANG last names and are of the Vietnam War era. For "First Timers" to Laos, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE get your VISA before you go!

After you’re approved for a Visa, you will have to visit a “Second Immigration Clerk". Here is where you will have to pay the 35.00 US Dollars processing fee. Exact change is NOT necessary as they will have US money in change for you.

After paying your processing fee for your Visa, you’re ushered onto a Third and final Immigration Clerk. At this third location, you meet up again with those people from the Left Line, pre-approved Visas. This last Immigration Clerk will ask you how long you will be staying and where you’re staying. He takes your picture, stamps your Passport for entry and takes the “Entry” part of your Visa Application. The "Exit" part of your Visa Application, you will keep with your Visa and needs to be in a secure place.

After the last Immigration Clerk clears you, you are free walk downstairs and claim your luggage. Because of all the paperwork, your bags would have already been out and a Laos porter would already have gathered them for you. Personally, I think the Immigration Clerks and the Porters are in a scam to get your money. The Immigration Clerks hold you for as long as they can, while the Porters assess your luggage to see if how much money they can extort from you... but again, just my person opinion. The Laos porters will demand 1 US Dollars each of your luggage, handling fee help you outside. 99% of the time, the Porters will take you to the Customs/XRAY room, where a Laos Officer is waiting for you. Regardless of what you have, if you don't want to get hassled and want to get out quickly, you best hand this guy a 20.00 Dollar. Just tell him in English, "I have nothing to declare" and hand him the money. (Conveniently) He's the only one in that room... so he just pockets the money and turns a blind eye to whatever the XRAY machine finds in your suitcases. For all he knows, I could have smuggled into Laos a nuclear bomb and he would not care, he waves me thru... (Luckily I did not a bomb, but I could have) :).

2.  Those little ladies, they are the mother of the 2nd wife of Hmong American aren't they?

The 4 little old ladies DID NOT have son-in-laws in the US, I will explain this in a bit, they are just visiting their brothers, sisters, or in one case, her mother.

For some strange reason, A LOT of Visas have been approved to enter the USA, more than previous years. Either the rules have changed or the person doing interviewing at the US Embassy is being really generous. I heard some rumors, that officials are taking bribes, some as high as 8,000 US Dollars, that guarantees passage. In every town I was in, people are saying the same thing. Personally, I don’t know what to make of it. If anyone else has heard anything else, please let me know.

Hope this helps… sorry to be so winded in my answer, but now I hope everyone has a better idea of the Visa Process and “Palm” painting that goes on at the airport.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: NceegVaj on April 29, 2013, 01:01:07 PM
oh, why, thanks for compliments.  I could really use them to boost my daily grievance.  Make me wonder on how I can peek at you, even for just a couple seconds.  I know better about going around stealing things someone has owned thought.

I appreciate the bribery bag explanation.  I just hate to bribe them hog at the airport.  I will be working on hatching a plan to get me the strongest and youngest Hmong bull I can find in Laos soon.  Us divorocee are toooooo distracted to find love in the USA here.   All the young bulls are always sniffing the young ones so chances are slim here.  Hence, need to know the techniques not to bribe anyone in Laos at the Airport so a save $$$ for better action things.

-Nceeg

Hello My Beautiful Hmong Girl...

Why does your beautiful face haunt my dreams every night? I can't get you out of my head. So of course, for you, anything, I would be more than happy to answer your questions.

1.  Tell us more about the bribe bags this time you went; did you have bribe them $10-20 again? why?

After departing the plane, everyone must pass the Borders/Customs Gate at Wattay Airport, which has two lines. If you have a Pre-approved Visa, you go to Left line, if NOT, you go to Right line. I went onto the Right side where an Immigration Clerk was waiting. Everyone in this line must have a passport photo and will need to fill out a "Visa on Arrival Form". The Visa Form comes in 2 parts; on one side is the "Entry" and on the other side is the “Exit” questionnaire. For faster processing, don't wait until after you have already filled have your Visa Application to get in line. I suggest you stand inline while filling out the form. Filling out the form takes time and the line will become longer as you wait.

On the right line, the "First Immigration Clerk" you see will the most important person in Laos. He/She will either approve or deny your Visa claim. 99.9999 percent of the time you will be approved for a Visa. I have yet to see anyone denial, although I have heard stories of with certain individuals. Typically, individuals who have VANG last names and are of the Vietnam War era. For "First Timers" to Laos, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE get your VISA before you go!

After you’re approved for a Visa, you will have to visit a “Second Immigration Clerk". Here is where you will have to pay the 35.00 US Dollars processing fee. Exact change is NOT necessary as they will have US money in change for you.

After paying your processing fee for your Visa, you’re ushered onto a Third and final Immigration Clerk. At this third location, you meet up again with those people from the Left Line, pre-approved Visas. This last Immigration Clerk will ask you how long you will be staying and where you’re staying. He takes your picture, stamps your Passport for entry and takes the “Entry” part of your Visa Application. The "Exit" part of your Visa Application, you will keep with your Visa and needs to be in a secure place.

After the last Immigration Clerk clears you, you are free walk downstairs and claim your luggage. Because of all the paperwork, your bags would have already been out and a Laos porter would already have gathered them for you. Personally, I think the Immigration Clerks and the Porters are in a scam to get your money. The Immigration Clerks hold you for as long as they can, while the Porters assess your luggage to see if how much money they can extort from you... but again, just my person opinion. The Laos porters will demand 1 US Dollars each of your luggage, handling fee help you outside. 99% of the time, the Porters will take you to the Customs/XRAY room, where a Laos Officer is waiting for you. Regardless of what you have, if you don't want to get hassled and want to get out quickly, you best hand this guy a 20.00 Dollar. Just tell him in English, "I have nothing to declare" and hand him the money. (Conveniently) He's the only one in that room... so he just pockets the money and turns a blind eye to whatever the XRAY machine finds in your suitcases. For all he knows, I could have smuggled into Laos a nuclear bomb and he would not care, he waves me thru... (Luckily I did not a bomb, but I could have) :).

2.  Those little ladies, they are the mother of the 2nd wife of Hmong American aren't they?

The 4 little old ladies DID NOT have son-in-laws in the US, I will explain this in a bit, they are just visiting their brothers, sisters, or in one case, her mother.

For some strange reason, A LOT of Visas have been approved to enter the USA, more than previous years. Either the rules have changed or the person doing interviewing at the US Embassy is being really generous. I heard some rumors, that officials are taking bribes, some as high as 8,000 US Dollars, that guarantees passage. In every town I was in, people are saying the same thing. Personally, I don’t know what to make of it. If anyone else has heard anything else, please let me know.

Hope this helps… sorry to be so winded in my answer, but now I hope everyone has a better idea of the Visa Process and “Palm” painting that goes on at the airport.

LHG

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: yoursunrise4ever on April 30, 2013, 08:02:13 PM
LHG, check your pm. :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 01, 2013, 05:24:26 PM
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The Night Market in Vientiane, Laos. Located near the Mekong River.



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Night Market Again, sorry about the glare.



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Lao Beer where I met some Lao Girls.

LHG


Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 01, 2013, 05:30:56 PM
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Morning Market in Vientiane, Lao @ 6:00 AM


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Morning Market, Meat Section


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Leaving Morning Market

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 01, 2013, 05:35:40 PM
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1 Kg of Rambutan and Water for my Hotel room, Vientiane, Laos.


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Outside my hotel, Vientiane, Laos


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Lunch near the Mekong River, Laos


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Victory Park, Vientiane Park, Laos

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 01, 2013, 05:42:12 PM
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Second Day at Talad Sao "Morning Market", Vientiane, Laos.


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Bus Station Vientiane, Laos... going to KM52 and Nong Hai.

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Jogging on a dirt Road in Nong Hai, Laos.


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May's Store in Nong Hai, Laos
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 01, 2013, 05:47:33 PM
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Caves in Nong Hai, Laos, Back of May's Head.


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Cave in Nong Hai, Laos.


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Me coming out of the Cave in Nong Hai, Laos.


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Dusty Road back to my aunt's village in Nong Hai, Laos.

LHG

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: yoursunrise4ever on May 01, 2013, 05:56:00 PM
I want to sit by the mekong river and eat those rambutan all day just watching the boat and strangers passing by.
 
Thank you for sharing such beautiful pictures with us. Now, I want to go to Laos.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 01, 2013, 05:58:08 PM
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View from my hotel room, Vang Vieng, Laos.


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Nam Song before PeiMai, Vang Vieng, Laos


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View from Hotel Room, Vang Vieng, Laos


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First day of Laos New Year, Vang, Vieng, Laos. Nam Song River


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Laos New Year, Vang Vieng, Laos. Nam Song River


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Nam Song River, Vang Vieng, Laos
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 01, 2013, 06:08:52 PM
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Storm outside my hotel, Vang Vieng, Laos.


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Road heading back to Nong Hai to see May.


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Nam Song, Vang Vieng, Laos


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Bus Station, Vang Vieng, Laos


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Exotic Street Food, on the road to Nong Hai, Laos


Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: NceegVaj on May 01, 2013, 10:51:48 PM
 :)  Nice pictures  O0  we are now with you all the way to Laos and back.  Thanks for sharing you are the man !


oh, so time to go take my passport this Friday.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on May 03, 2013, 08:09:47 AM
Awesome pictures bro! It looks like you had a great time! If i do decide to go this year, I will definitely PM you, since I dont speak a lick of Laotian at all. lol. 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SleeplessBeauty on May 03, 2013, 05:45:00 PM
Thanks for sharing LHG! O0  I didn't think you would..

Lawv cov zaub ntsuab at the market ntxim qab ua luaj.

Quite interesting and funny seeing so many people in the river at the New Year.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: PRINCESS. on May 04, 2013, 01:38:03 PM
Sweet pictures dude!! Thanks for sharing.

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 14, 2013, 05:57:48 PM
My dear PH Brothers and Sisters,

I hope this letter finds everyone and finds everyone well. I pray you and your families are in good health and having a great time.

PH has become like a second family to me and honestly I missed speaking with you all. So, today, I have decided to come back for a visit and to chat about life with everyone for awhile.

It has been exactly 3 weeks since my return from Laos, 21 days since my return to my home and my lonely existence. How do you pick up your old life again and do the things you once did? How do you go on living your life, when so much has changed, when in your heart, you know that things will never be the same again? Some memories and some experiences were etched too deep into my heart; there are just some things that time can not mend…. Things that have taken hold of me. 

I miss May tremendously; there is just no two ways about it. I miss the touch of her soft hands, I miss the sunlight in her hair. I miss the sound of her voice; I miss the smell of her hair. I miss everything about her. May has gotten a hold of my heart and my soul and I don’t know where to go from here. Everyday, I can only thing of ways to get back to May. I am constantly online, looking for pictures and videos of Nong Hai and Laos, hoping to catch a glimpse of May. Every chance I get, I am looking for airline tickets, checking out dates for when I can take time off from work.

I don’t want to sound dramatic but what is wrong with me? I was never like this; I don’t like NOT having any control of my life or my feelings. I am on the phone with May every night and every weekend. It would seem my whole world now revolves around May.

Perhaps I will seek professional help.

Yours truly,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: couchpotato on May 14, 2013, 06:07:50 PM
LHG,

Thanks for sharing pictures (finally!).  :) You make me want to visit Laos again. It's definitely a beautiful country.

In regards to May, if you miss her that much, you might as well marry her. I think the paperwork process is tedious, so get started now. Good luck! :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lilly on May 14, 2013, 06:15:02 PM
No I'm not arguing against you bud...but FYI I don't use wikis (they're not a credible reference source according to APA/MLA standards because it's an open-ended source--meaning anyone can adjust it).

I've used cheapoair and onetravel many times. It's just their insurance is balony. If you miss your flight in an event of a family death, missed connecting flight, etc-insurance was suppose to cover it. (yes it's in the fine-print). Well a customer service rep with an east indian accent was trying to charge me $2300 USD for a ticket I already paid $1600 for. He said since I missed my flight, I can't just catch a flight to Paris, then SFO. He wanted me to pay a whole 'nother ticket. (I fly around the world 4-5 times per year. This year alone, been to Thailand 4 times).  Anyways, I hung up on him and he called me back after I declined his offer. (I was in the middle east and my AT&T roaming rates were $5 USD per minute. (which I already told him to seed things ups) I was flying Air France. And damn the French--don't work weekends so I couldn't reach them either. Luckily I was able to get ahold of KLM (AirFrance partners) and paid $350 USD to re-connect with them. So now I never use CheapOair. I just use their search engine to find who's the cheapest airline and use them directly. A 1000 USD ticket will charge up misc fees and make it 1300-1500 or something too.

Wow, great info to know.  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lilly on May 14, 2013, 06:16:10 PM
I find that when traveling in Asia, it is better to book directly with the airline. And just in case something happens and you need to change your flights, Asian airlines have much better customer service than Western airlines.

Shade has a pretty good checklist.  O0

One thing I would definitely advise is to get a card with your hotel address on it in the native language whenever possible. That way if you ever get lost or are too tired to find your way back to the hotel, you can simply hand the card to the taxi driver.

Last, don't forget your Lonely Planet book!  :)

Love all these nice tips!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: PRINCESS. on May 14, 2013, 06:22:37 PM
My dear PH Brothers and Sisters,

I hope this letter finds everyone and finds everyone well. I pray you and your families are in good health and having a great time.

PH has become like a second family to me and honestly I missed speaking with you all. So, today, I have decided to come back for a visit and to chat about life with everyone for awhile.

It has been exactly 3 weeks since my return from Laos, 21 days since my return to my home and my lonely existence. How do you pick up your old life again and do the things you once did? How do you go on living your life, when so much has changed, when in your heart, you know that things will never be the same again? Some memories and some experiences were etched too deep into my heart; there are just some things that time can not mend…. Things that have taken hold of me. 

I miss May tremendously; there is just no two ways about it. I miss the touch of her soft hands, I miss the sunlight in her hair. I miss the sound of her voice; I miss the smell of her hair. I miss everything about her. May has gotten a hold of my heart and my soul and I don’t know where to go from here. Everyday, I can only thing of ways to get back to May. I am constantly online, looking for pictures and videos of Nong Hai and Laos, hoping to catch a glimpse of May. Every chance I get, I am looking for airline tickets, checking out dates for when I can take time off from work.

I don’t want to sound dramatic but what is wrong with me? I was never like this; I don’t like NOT having any control of my life or my feelings. I am on the phone with May every night and every weekend. It would seem my whole world now revolves around May.

Perhaps I will seek professional help.

Yours truly,

LHG

Prepare paperwork to bring her to the States homie! Marry nwg kag xwb mas!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lilly on May 14, 2013, 06:28:06 PM
What the? lol. China is completely different from China town.  :D China has plenty to see and experience besides the Great Wall. :) Each province has something unique to offer.

The exchange rate for Taiwan is about $30 TWD to $1 USD. I think for Hong Kong it's about $7 HKD to $1 USD. I forgot to mention that both these places are easy to navigate, especially in Hong Kong since they speak English and the signs are in English as well. Taiwan is harder to navigate outside of Taipei but still doable if you aren't afraid of making a fool of yourself.  :D

And I am not going to either place, at least not for a while. I was just replying to summerberry.  :D

LOL to first paragraph.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on May 15, 2013, 11:50:05 AM
LHG, if you truly feel the way you do, just get married with her and bring her here to the states.  It shouldnt be too big of a problem, given that you do have a stable job and/or income.  Dont listen to any of the bad stigma that everyone (ahem ahem...ladies) here in the US have put on marrying someone in Laos.  The heart knows no place or time, it only knows how to feel.  (if that makes any sense).  Until then, im sure May and you can cope with mising each other thru phone calls and webcam (maybe?).  Good luck to you and May, as it will surely be a hard route.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lindavue on May 16, 2013, 03:59:37 PM
I had a great time in Laos, got back home on Sunday last week... planning on going back in September.... will post up some pictures and vids..

I enjoy the new experiance and appreciates how lucky i am to be here... this adventure really gave me a new insight and new life to look forward to.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 16, 2013, 08:50:38 PM
LHG,

Thanks for sharing pictures (finally!).  :) You make me want to visit Laos again. It's definitely a beautiful country.

In regards to May, if you miss her that much, you might as well marry her. I think the paperwork process is tedious, so get started now. Good luck! :)

Archor... thanks for stopping by and thanks for the advice. I will have to agree with you... Laos is very special and very affordable, much more affordable thank a week on Maui.

I do miss May... I will keep you updated if anything happens.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 16, 2013, 08:51:43 PM
Prepare paperwork to bring her to the States homie! Marry nwg kag xwb mas!

GNAM... thanks for the encouragement! I am that close to doing it! :)

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 16, 2013, 08:54:29 PM
LHG, if you truly feel the way you do, just get married with her and bring her here to the states.  It shouldnt be too big of a problem, given that you do have a stable job and/or income.  Dont listen to any of the bad stigma that everyone (ahem ahem...ladies) here in the US have put on marrying someone in Laos.  The heart knows no place or time, it only knows how to feel.  (if that makes any sense).  Until then, im sure May and you can cope with mising each other thru phone calls and webcam (maybe?).  Good luck to you and May, as it will surely be a hard route.

MenyuamHmoob.. . I know what you mean about the Stigma and the stereotypes. I would lie if I say those things don't bother me, but deep down inside they do. At the same time, I am a wreck! I truly miss her and miss being with her. Hopefully I will get to go back soon... until then, the PHONE is my best friend right now.

Thanks again for the encouragement bro!

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 16, 2013, 08:57:22 PM
I had a great time in Laos, got back home on Sunday last week... planning on going back in September.... will post up some pictures and vids..

I enjoy the new experiance and appreciates how lucky i am to be here... this adventure really gave me a new insight and new life to look forward to.

LindaVue -

Very cool. I was just thinking about you the other day and your trip. When I was in Hanoi, I wondered where you might be or if you were close by.

Anyways... I agee with you about Laos. For those that have not gone, it is truly an experience and a magical place. I am so glad you had the chance to go and also that you had a great time there.

Please post pictures and tell us about your trip... from a women's point of view, I would love to hear what it was like!!!

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: proudlao on May 17, 2013, 06:14:03 AM
LHG, Thank you for sharing. Great pictures, made me feel like I was there. And good luck with May.
 
Did you made it to anywhere in Bokeo county?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Gawmp on May 17, 2013, 08:07:42 AM
lindavue - so I assume you got your passport and visa back in the nick of time before you left?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lindavue on May 17, 2013, 08:54:33 AM
lindavue - so I assume you got your passport and visa back in the nick of time before you left?

Yes I did. I receive it the day before I was about to leave. I'm not sure why but I receive a refund check for $50 since I'm a born US Citizen and then my DAD was denied entry to Laos and I only paid $10 i think for my Visa. Close call.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lindavue on May 17, 2013, 09:10:35 AM
LindaVue -

Very cool. I was just thinking about you the other day and your trip. When I was in Hanoi, I wondered where you might be or if you were close by.

Anyways... I agee with you about Laos. For those that have not gone, it is truly an experience and a magical place. I am so glad you had the chance to go and also that you had a great time there.

Please post pictures and tell us about your trip... from a women's point of view, I would love to hear what it was like!!!

LHG

LHG,

When you were in Laos, what did you use for internet service and how much did you pay for it? This is basically how i Started my Trip: Mpls, MN to Seattle WA, Nakita Japan, Bangkok Thailand, Vientiane, KM52, Saiyabori, Luang Prabang, Phonsavan, Nam Sua??, Lak Sao, Nakata, and then back to KM52/Vientiane, then off to Udonthani Thailand, Chiangmai Thailand then back to Bangkok to Incheon Korea, to Detriot Michigan, and back to MN (Home Sweet Home)!


BTW Love to Read your Blogs...and since you had a Great Story about May...Shall I write one too about this special person I met while I was there? :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on May 17, 2013, 09:54:13 AM
LHG,

When you were in Laos, what did you use for internet service and how much did you pay for it? This is basically how i Started my Trip: Mpls, MN to Seattle WA, Nakita Japan, Bangkok Thailand, Vientiane, KM52, Saiyabori, Luang Prabang, Phonsavan, Nam Sua??, Lak Sao, Nakata, and then back to KM52/Vientiane, then off to Udonthani Thailand, Chiangmai Thailand then back to Bangkok to Incheon Korea, to Detriot Michigan, and back to MN (Home Sweet Home)!


BTW Love to Read your Blogs...and since you had a Great Story about May...Shall I write one too about this special person I met while I was there? :)

wow.  you are already back?  that was so fast?  did you meet someone special there? 

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 17, 2013, 10:39:08 AM
LHG, Thank you for sharing. Great pictures, made me feel like I was there. And good luck with May.
 
Did you made it to anywhere in Bokeo county?

Hey Proudlao,

No I did not make ti to Bokeo, in fact I have got pass Vang Vieng. Here are the places that I visited, in order of visit.

SFO to Korea, Korea to Hanoi, Hanoi to Vientiane

Vientiane
KM52
None Hai
Back to KM52, delay there for almost a week because of a funeral.
Vang Vieng
None Hai again
Vientiane

Vientiane to Hanoi, Hanoi to Korea, Korea to SFO..

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lindavue on May 17, 2013, 10:59:28 AM
wow.  you are already back?  that was so fast?  did you meet someone special there? 



Yes I'm back... I left on April 20th and Got back on May 12th. I certainly did meet lots of cousins and someone very special.... all i can say is AMAZING!! lol
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: proudlao on May 17, 2013, 11:04:17 AM
Sounds like a lot of fun. I was too young when I was in Laos so I have only been to nearby cities. My uncles have been expecting in Vientiane but I never could find the right time. But one day I will.
 
Again, great pics and thanks.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Gawmp on May 17, 2013, 11:45:54 AM
Yes I did. I receive it the day before I was about to leave. I'm not sure why but I receive a refund check for $50 since I'm a born US Citizen and then my DAD was denied entry to Laos and I only paid $10 i think for my Visa. Close call.

so your dad didn't get to go with you?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 17, 2013, 12:47:27 PM
LHG,

When you were in Laos, what did you use for internet service and how much did you pay for it? This is basically how i Started my Trip: Mpls, MN to Seattle WA, Nakita Japan, Bangkok Thailand, Vientiane, KM52, Saiyabori, Luang Prabang, Phonsavan, Nam Sua??, Lak Sao, Nakata, and then back to KM52/Vientiane, then off to Udonthani Thailand, Chiangmai Thailand then back to Bangkok to Incheon Korea, to Detriot Michigan, and back to MN (Home Sweet Home)!


BTW Love to Read your Blogs...and since you had a Great Story about May...Shall I write one too about this special person I met while I was there? :)

LindaVue,

Yes... by all means. Please tell us. I shared mine! :)

You don't have to use real names, but do share with us your point of view. What you did, who you met and what you did afterwards. More importantly, what are you thoughts about the person you met, from a women's point of view.

I can hardly wait!

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 17, 2013, 12:50:50 PM
Sounds like a lot of fun. I was too young when I was in Laos so I have only been to nearby cities. My uncles have been expecting in Vientiane but I never could find the right time. But one day I will.
 
Again, great pics and thanks.

Hey Proudlao... you should really go. Just ask yourself, if not now, when? Time is what we make of it. There is an old saying... Time waits for no one.  In all my travels, this statement holds true with everyone and every culture I have come into contact with... but I am sure you already knew that.

Maybe someday, I will be reading your blog on PH!!! :)

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 17, 2013, 12:52:20 PM
so your dad didn't get to go with you?

Lindavue - that was a interesting statement that you made and I meant to comment on it, but as always Gawmp stole my thunder!!! :)

Anyways, what happen to your dad, why was his visa denied? Who did you go with, if not him?

Thanks,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lindavue on May 17, 2013, 12:56:42 PM
Lindavue - that was a interesting statement that you made and I meant to comment on it, but as always Gawmp stole my thunder!!! :)

Anyways, what happen to your dad, why was his visa denied? Who did you go with, if not him?

Thanks,

LHG

Only my mom and me and we met up with my sister and her daughter in Bangkok was able to enter Laos. For some reason my dad has been trying for many years to get into Laos and have been denied every time...so he left to Vietnam instead....
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 17, 2013, 12:58:14 PM
LHG,

When you were in Laos, what did you use for internet service and how much did you pay for it? This is basically how i Started my Trip: Mpls, MN to Seattle WA, Nakita Japan, Bangkok Thailand, Vientiane, KM52, Saiyabori, Luang Prabang, Phonsavan, Nam Sua??, Lak Sao, Nakata, and then back to KM52/Vientiane, then off to Udonthani Thailand, Chiangmai Thailand then back to Bangkok to Incheon Korea, to Detriot Michigan, and back to MN (Home Sweet Home)!


BTW Love to Read your Blogs...and since you had a Great Story about May...Shall I write one too about this special person I met while I was there? :)


Regarding What I USED for INTERNET Access....

In Laos, you can buy USB Dongles. The USB Dongles (for the none techie people) are wireless adapters attached to Laptops or PCs. The Dongles are sold by UNITEL or BEELINE, the wireless phone carriers of Laos. These devices cost about 400,000 kip or about 50 US Dollars and you pay for usage as you go. The cost is about 10,000 kip per day, but the speeds are extremely slow... only about 56 kb per second. Like the old dial up days in the USA.

For late night or really early morning usage, it is bearable. But during the day, you're better off sending smoke signals.

Your second option are the Internet Cafes in town, when you can get to them. They have decent speed and cost about 8000 kips per hour, or 1 US dollar.

Hope that helps!

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: proudlao on May 17, 2013, 01:07:25 PM
Hey Proudlao... you should really go. Just ask yourself, if not now, when? Time is what we make of it. There is an old saying... Time waits for no one.  In all my travels, this statement holds true with everyone and every culture I have come into contact with... but I am sure you already knew that.

Maybe someday, I will be reading your blog on PH!!! :)

LHG

Within the next five years for sure!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Gawmp on May 17, 2013, 01:13:03 PM
LHG - do you know if those dongles work with tablets?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 17, 2013, 01:42:00 PM
LHG - do you know if those dongles work with tablets?

YES... if your device supports USB technology, I know Apple tablets do for sure.

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Gawmp on May 17, 2013, 01:44:30 PM
YES... if your device supports USB technology, I know Apple tablets do for sure.

good to know...
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lindavue on May 17, 2013, 02:08:16 PM

Regarding What I USED for INTERNET Access....

In Laos, you can buy USB Dongles. The USB Dongles (for the none techie people) are wireless adapters attached to Laptops or PCs. The Dongles are sold by UNITEL or BEELINE, the wireless phone carriers of Laos. These devices cost about 400,000 kip or about 50 US Dollars and you pay for usage as you go. The cost is about 10,000 kip per day, but the speeds are extremely slow... only about 56 kb per second. Like the old dial up days in the USA.

For late night or really early morning usage, it is bearable. But during the day, you're better off sending smoke signals.

Your second option are the Internet Cafes in town, when you can get to them. They have decent speed and cost about 8000 kips per hour, or 1 US dollar.

Hope that helps!

LHG

good to know for next time... I had my laptop but then didn't find anyone who knew much about it so basically i was out of loop till i got into thailand....
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on May 20, 2013, 04:30:34 PM
Yes I'm back... I left on April 20th and Got back on May 12th. I certainly did meet lots of cousins and someone very special.... all i can say is AMAZING!! lol
how exciting!  so are the hmong guys there proper in hmong?  puas zoo ua vaiv thaib? 

es koj tus special person ntawd... ah hum.... did you get married there? hehehe
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lindavue on May 20, 2013, 08:47:01 PM
how exciting!  so are the hmong guys there proper in hmong?  puas zoo ua vaiv thaib? 

es koj tus special person ntawd... ah hum.... did you get married there? hehehe

Haha funny...Yes i would say they are some talkers and zoo ua vauv kawg...and that they are very good with their words and pick up lines..... and No i Did not get married there but maybe one of these day.

However, someone did still a kiss from me.... I will write my whole experience when i get back from the gym and explain to you how good them hmong nplog can sweep you off your feet.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on May 21, 2013, 10:45:39 AM
Haha funny...Yes i would say they are some talkers and zoo ua vauv kawg...and that they are very good with their words and pick up lines..... and No i Did not get married there but maybe one of these day.

However, someone did still a kiss from me.... I will write my whole experience when i get back from the gym and explain to you how good them hmong nplog can sweep you off your feet.

wow.  so all the women and men there have more game than our sons and daughters here eh? 

what was the best pickup line thrown at you?

i was just thinking that someday....don t' want to rule out any options... for my daughters or sons to go marry a vauv/nyab from there who is proper in hmong. 

so how do you differentiate the sincere ones from the rest?   ???
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lindavue on May 21, 2013, 12:47:42 PM
So here's my whole experiance during the long 3 weeks that I was in Laos and Thailand. Please excuse the spelling or puncuations and grammar (as you know im not as a good writer as LHM)

April 20th, 2013

The night before leaving on my trip I was not able to sleep at all. I keep thinking of what I would be doing, who I would be meeting and what it would be like and rushing and trying to scatter everything I needed for the trip. On this trip, I packed at least 10 brand new outfits along with 2 sandals, 1 canon camera, 1 sony camcorder, 1 Hero black edition, my makeup bag with all my jewleries and toothbrush and personal use stuff, 1 coach purse for my sister's bday, 1 stuff animal for my niece. On the other hand my mom already have like 4 XL suitcase packed with clothes, and gifts for relatives. As the time was getting closer to leave to the airport around 5pm, I was already jumping with joy. Check in to MSP and arrived in Seattle around 8pm. Took the shuttle to our hotel since we don't officially leave the States till the next day in the evening.

April 21, 2013 - April 22nd, 2013

Woke Up around 5am to get ready and relax for the long journey. Took the shuttle to the airport around 9am, checked in, rec'd boarding pass and was boarding the plane around 2pm to Narita Japan. This is the longest and most exhausting flight I have ever been on. The flight was around 13 hours and I was jet leg by the time we arrived in Japan. I enjoyed the entertainment on the plane but wish there was wifi. I watched mostly all the new movies that came out. Also the snacks and food was not what I thought it would be. Mostly ate the desserts and fruits. The meals was not good at all but I did enjoy the ice cream provided.

April 23rd, 2013

Finally arrived in Japan around 4pm. I'm glad my mom needed wheelchair assistance so my parents and I moved thru the security lines very quick and didn't have to wait at all when we got to Narita, Japan. We had a 2 hour layover and finally last plane trip to Bangkok. It was about a 6 hour flight and finally arrived at 11pm. Waited for my sister and her daughter to arrive and meet us there.

April 24th, 2013

Finally my sister arrived at 2am at bangkok airport and we decided to wait till 6am to take the MRT Sub to Hualomphong train station to go to Laos. our train didn't leave until 8pm that night so we walk around the area and inside the train station had stalls and stores to shop around while we wait. I suggest if you are carrying light and not travelling with alot of people, the train station is a cheaper way to get into Laos. I personally like it. We got 2nd class seats where there was AC and pull out beds to sleep for around $30 per person. I wanted the first class seats where you have your private room but it was all booked and was a little bit more. The schedule said we should be in Nong khai around 8am but just to let you know they make quite some mini stops and usually takes a bit longer to get there. We finally arrived in Nong Khai at 10am where we waived a tuk tuk for 20 baht per person to a local travel agency where we paid around 500 baht to get us over to the friendship bridge. Another way u can do for cheaper is take the connecting train to thanaleng which crosses over the friendship bridge to Laos and quicker and cheaper, but because we had lots of luggage we had to take that route....


TO BE CONTINUED.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 21, 2013, 04:13:55 PM
So here's my whole experiance during the long 3 weeks that I was in Laos and Thailand. Please excuse the spelling or puncuations and grammar (as you know im not as a good writer as LHM)

April 20th, 2013

The night before leaving on my trip I was not able to sleep at all. I keep thinking of what I would be doing, who I would be meeting and what it would be like and rushing and trying to scatter everything I needed for the trip. On this trip, I packed at least 10 brand new outfits along with 2 sandals, 1 canon camera, 1 sony camcorder, 1 Hero black edition, my makeup bag with all my jewleries and toothbrush and personal use stuff, 1 coach purse for my sister's bday, 1 stuff animal for my niece. On the other hand my mom already have like 4 XL suitcase packed with clothes, and gifts for relatives. As the time was getting closer to leave to the airport around 5pm, I was already jumping with joy. Check in to MSP and arrived in Seattle around 8pm. Took the shuttle to our hotel since we don't officially leave the States till the next day in the evening.

April 21, 2013 - April 22nd, 2013

Woke Up around 5am to get ready and relax for the long journey. Took the shuttle to the airport around 9am, checked in, rec'd boarding pass and was boarding the plane around 2pm to Narita Japan. This is the longest and most exhausting flight I have ever been on. The flight was around 13 hours and I was jet leg by the time we arrived in Japan. I enjoyed the entertainment on the plane but wish there was wifi. I watched mostly all the new movies that came out. Also the snacks and food was not what I thought it would be. Mostly ate the desserts and fruits. The meals was not good at all but I did enjoy the ice cream provided.

April 23rd, 2013

Finally arrived in Japan around 4pm. I'm glad my mom needed wheelchair assistance so my parents and I moved thru the security lines very quick and didn't have to wait at all when we got to Narita, Japan. We had a 2 hour layover and finally last plane trip to Bangkok. It was about a 6 hour flight and finally arrived at 11pm. Waited for my sister and her daughter to arrive and meet us there.

April 24th, 2013

Finally my sister arrived at 2am at bangkok airport and we decided to wait till 6am to take the MRT Sub to Hualomphong train station to go to Laos. our train didn't leave until 8pm that night so we walk around the area and inside the train station had stalls and stores to shop around while we wait. I suggest if you are carrying light and not travelling with alot of people, the train station is a cheaper way to get into Laos. I personally like it. We got 2nd class seats where there was AC and pull out beds to sleep for around $30 per person. I wanted the first class seats where you have your private room but it was all booked and was a little bit more. The schedule said we should be in Nong khai around 8am but just to let you know they make quite some mini stops and usually takes a bit longer to get there. We finally arrived in Nong Khai at 10am where we waived a tuk tuk for 20 baht per person to a local travel agency where we paid around 500 baht to get us over to the friendship bridge. Another way u can do for cheaper is take the connecting train to thanaleng which crosses over the friendship bridge to Laos and quicker and cheaper, but because we had lots of luggage we had to take that route....


TO BE CONTINUED.

Very Cool... keep them coming. I can hardly wait.

Just a few Questions for your... if you dont mind. How much was your tickets? Which Airline? Do you or your parents speak Thai? For someone not fluent in Thai, is it possible to take the same route you took, going to Laos via Thailand?

Thanks and keep the blogs coming.... We're all waiting to hear about your special guy!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lindavue on May 21, 2013, 05:00:00 PM
Very Cool... keep them coming. I can hardly wait.

Just a few Questions for your... if you dont mind. How much was your tickets? Which Airline? Do you or your parents speak Thai? For someone not fluent in Thai, is it possible to take the same route you took, going to Laos via Thailand?

Thanks and keep the blogs coming.... We're all waiting to hear about your special guy!

We bought our plane ticket directly from Delta around December for $1100 each. My dad can speak thai a little bit but I'm not too worry in thailand because most of the people there can speak english or understand english better than in Laos. And Yes you can take that route to Laos. Like I said previously. Taking the train is not as expensive if you wish to save some money, but its up to you if you don't mind a longer trip into Laos and not carrying alot of stuff. I would take the train vs the bus. It has a bathroom and sink (the asian way) but from what I heard if you get the first class you have your own sink plus a western bathroom to share in on that train cart. There is breakfast available if u want to buy. Pillows and Blankets are provided however there are different class so book it early if you want better class seatings. If you want to be really cheap then just buy the seat which is lesser. Did I mention I hate the border, too many people and getting in line and if  my mom wasn't carrying all those luggage i would gladly just paid couple of $ to take the connecting train into laos which is bit less hassle. On the other hand we paid a travel agency in Nongkhai to take us right to the border into Laos and so we exit the Thai border without getting out from the car. We were drop off at the border in Laos where my mom's sister was on the otherside waiting for us already with their car. let's just say if you been to the border of Mexico, its similar.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 22, 2013, 09:02:43 AM
We bought our plane ticket directly from Delta around December for $1100 each. My dad can speak thai a little bit but I'm not too worry in thailand because most of the people there can speak english or understand english better than in Laos. And Yes you can take that route to Laos. Like I said previously. Taking the train is not as expensive if you wish to save some money, but its up to you if you don't mind a longer trip into Laos and not carrying alot of stuff. I would take the train vs the bus. It has a bathroom and sink (the asian way) but from what I heard if you get the first class you have your own sink plus a western bathroom to share in on that train cart. There is breakfast available if u want to buy. Pillows and Blankets are provided however there are different class so book it early if you want better class seatings. If you want to be really cheap then just buy the seat which is lesser. Did I mention I hate the border, too many people and getting in line and if  my mom wasn't carrying all those luggage i would gladly just paid couple of $ to take the connecting train into laos which is bit less hassle. On the other hand we paid a travel agency in Nongkhai to take us right to the border into Laos and so we exit the Thai border without getting out from the car. We were drop off at the border in Laos where my mom's sister was on the otherside waiting for us already with their car. let's just say if you been to the border of Mexico, its similar.

Lindavue,

If I have not told you so... thank you, thank you for sharing your experience with us. It is both refreshing and educational to hear about your story, taken from a woman's point of view. Perhaps, when you're done with your story, it will encourage the ladies of PH to venture out into the world too.

There is a quote from The Hobbit that says "The world is not in your maps and books. It's out there." And I  should hope that we all can live by these words.

Lastly, I truly hope that someday everyone will have the means and opportunity to experience what you and I have experienced.

Yours Truly,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lindavue on May 22, 2013, 10:24:12 AM
Continued from April 24th 2013

So once we got to the border and crossing to the other side, first you get in line to get your passport and visa check, they check your luggage thru their xray and then finally a final check by the gates and then your finally stepping on Laos ground around 11am. Let me say it was super HOT and at that time i'm already sweating when i finally got thru the check. I can see my niam tais and her family already by the gates waiting patiently for us and I rushed over to get a hug. Finally at last we were in LAOS.... my first thought was "this is it!" lol. So once we got all our stuff we drove to Vientiane Talat Sao (mall). They are in the process of expanding the mall to make it a bit bigger. We stop there to eat first before heading to lav 52. First dish there I had was Papaya! I think from aside of all the papaya i had in Laos, the one at the Mall was the best... and with sticky rice. Had fresh young coconut drink and logans, lychees, mangos, and bananas.

After shopping at the Talat Sao we then left to lav 52. I think it was like a 45 min to 1hr drive. We went to my niam tais daughters motel where we stayed there. For those who have been there probably knows the place. I don't remember the name of the place but its a motel with a nightclub. We bought some food at the market in lav 52 to make later for dinner. That night we had chicken with my mom's favorite bamboo. We had finish eating dinner and I had brought the dishes to the kitchen to wash and the little hmong boy came and grab it from me and said "muaj kuv mam ua os". And I was suprise and told the little boy I was gonna do it but then he took it off me and washed it. I asked my cousin who he was and he replied that the boy was a worker who served beer and clean and washes dishes for them. the little boy's older brother couldn't come so he made the little brother come and work for him.

So going back to my cousins nightclub/bar/motel. I felt very bad at how the place is run with Prostitution and child labor. I understand that it's a easy way of making a living but i felt very disgusted and really didn't want to stay there but it's family so I had to just bear it. That night the weather cool down, the music was on full blast with lao and thai songs. You can see all the girls putting on makeup and dressing up to start their shift. There are at least 5-6 prostitutes waiting out by the gates waiting for business. Seeing girls going and coming out from the motel room. I saw Hmong Meka, hmong nplog and nplog trying to get prostitutes for a quickie with the girls. There will be some hmong og's as old as my grandpa there wasting their money on these prostitutes. I feel bad for those hmong meka who goes and look like dogs. I understand if they go and visit laos or relatives but when you know u have a family to support save yourself some face and do better. I don't blame it on the guys for the most part but I guess its just a way of living to get quick money for the girls. I asked my cousin why these girls became prostitute and they said that most of the girls are usually from the tojsiab who were sent there to make money to send back to their families and some just like the money. The girls will then make the money for themself and just provide my cousin the fee for the motel and beer. Whatever they make they keep. The girls live in a room that is in the corner and is provided with food for some part I guess. The bar closes at 12pm and all the girls are then lock back up in the corner of the house and the gates are closed and lock.

To be continued
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on May 22, 2013, 12:35:18 PM

So going back to my cousins nightclub/bar/motel. I felt very bad at how the place is run with Prostitution and child labor. I understand that it's a easy way of making a living but i felt very disgusted and really didn't want to stay there but it's family so I had to just bear it. That night the weather cool down, the music was on full blast with lao and thai songs. You can see all the girls putting on makeup and dressing up to start their shift. There are at least 5-6 prostitutes waiting out by the gates waiting for business. Seeing girls going and coming out from the motel room. I saw Hmong Meka, hmong nplog and nplog trying to get prostitutes for a quickie with the girls. There will be some hmong og's as old as my grandpa there wasting their money on these prostitutes. I feel bad for those hmong meka who goes and look like dogs. I understand if they go and visit laos or relatives but when you know u have a family to support save yourself some face and do better. I don't blame it on the guys for the most part but I guess its just a way of living to get quick money for the girls. I asked my cousin why these girls became prostitute and they said that most of the girls are usually from the tojsiab who were sent there to make money to send back to their families and some just like the money. The girls will then make the money for themself and just provide my cousin the fee for the motel and beer. Whatever they make they keep. The girls live in a room that is in the corner and is provided with food for some part I guess. The bar closes at 12pm and all the girls are then lock back up in the corner of the house and the gates are closed and lock.

To be continued

wow.  thanks for sharing.  it's very sad that these girls have to resort to such to support themselves and their families. 

so do you think your relatives who own this motel.... i mean... is it more like a brothel?


Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lindavue on May 22, 2013, 02:04:26 PM
wow.  thanks for sharing.  it's very sad that these girls have to resort to such to support themselves and their families. 

so do you think your relatives who own this motel.... i mean... is it more like a brothel?

I dont think so because its up to the girls if they want to do it or not. The funny thing is that because we were hanging out there...the people thought I was one too...lol



Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on May 22, 2013, 04:38:54 PM
lindavue, i wonder what LHG has to say about this prostitution.  i'm sure he stayed of hotels like this. 

could have taken advantage of that opportunity to ask for $$$ from those men and give to those girls. 

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 22, 2013, 09:55:45 PM
Continued from April 24th 2013

So once we got to the border and crossing to the other side, first you get in line to get your passport and visa check, they check your luggage thru their xray and then finally a final check by the gates and then your finally stepping on Laos ground around 11am. Let me say it was super HOT and at that time i'm already sweating when i finally got thru the check. I can see my niam tais and her family already by the gates waiting patiently for us and I rushed over to get a hug. Finally at last we were in LAOS.... my first thought was "this is it!" lol. So once we got all our stuff we drove to Vientiane Talat Sao (mall). They are in the process of expanding the mall to make it a bit bigger. We stop there to eat first before heading to lav 52. First dish there I had was Papaya! I think from aside of all the papaya i had in Laos, the one at the Mall was the best... and with sticky rice. Had fresh young coconut drink and logans, lychees, mangos, and bananas.

After shopping at the Talat Sao we then left to lav 52. I think it was like a 45 min to 1hr drive. We went to my niam tais daughters motel where we stayed there. For those who have been there probably knows the place. I don't remember the name of the place but its a motel with a nightclub. We bought some food at the market in lav 52 to make later for dinner. That night we had chicken with my mom's favorite bamboo. We had finish eating dinner and I had brought the dishes to the kitchen to wash and the little hmong boy came and grab it from me and said "muaj kuv mam ua os". And I was suprise and told the little boy I was gonna do it but then he took it off me and washed it. I asked my cousin who he was and he replied that the boy was a worker who served beer and clean and washes dishes for them. the little boy's older brother couldn't come so he made the little brother come and work for him.

So going back to my cousins nightclub/bar/motel. I felt very bad at how the place is run with Prostitution and child labor. I understand that it's a easy way of making a living but i felt very disgusted and really didn't want to stay there but it's family so I had to just bear it. That night the weather cool down, the music was on full blast with lao and thai songs. You can see all the girls putting on makeup and dressing up to start their shift. There are at least 5-6 prostitutes waiting out by the gates waiting for business. Seeing girls going and coming out from the motel room. I saw Hmong Meka, hmong nplog and nplog trying to get prostitutes for a quickie with the girls. There will be some hmong og's as old as my grandpa there wasting their money on these prostitutes. I feel bad for those hmong meka who goes and look like dogs. I understand if they go and visit laos or relatives but when you know u have a family to support save yourself some face and do better. I don't blame it on the guys for the most part but I guess its just a way of living to get quick money for the girls. I asked my cousin why these girls became prostitute and they said that most of the girls are usually from the tojsiab who were sent there to make money to send back to their families and some just like the money. The girls will then make the money for themself and just provide my cousin the fee for the motel and beer. Whatever they make they keep. The girls live in a room that is in the corner and is provided with food for some part I guess. The bar closes at 12pm and all the girls are then lock back up in the corner of the house and the gates are closed and lock.

To be continued

Great Summary LindaVue...

Just a couple of comments and questions for you.

Did the Laos Border Patrol Clerks "ask" you for money? If so, how much and did you give it?

Interesting observation on being in Laos... what did you think it was going to be like. You sound disappointed? Was it not like what you thought? What was different than what you had imagined?

As for the "Call Girls" at the hotels, I did hear of them. But truthfully, I did not visit any of the hotels where the girls worked. I cousin jokenly asked me if I wanted to visit one before I left, but I told him no, because I have already met May at that point.

May did tell me that she personally knew several girls from her village in Phonsavan that also went to work at he "hotels". Here is how they see it... you either break your back working in the rice fields and open markets for 30,000 kip a day OR you go work at the "hotels" for 100,000k an hour. Which would you rather do? The allure of big money in a short time is too overwhelming for some girls and they can not resist. I don't pity and I don't blame the girls that are selling their bodies, they must do what they do because they have to survive. But I do applaud those girls, the ones like May that choose to live above the it. I applaud the girls who, despite all their adversity, still thrives. Maybe that is why I am so attracted to May and have come to love her so much.

Thank you for the updates, keep them coming.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lindavue on May 22, 2013, 10:42:50 PM
lindavue, i wonder what LHG has to say about this prostitution.  i'm sure he stayed of hotels like this. 

could have taken advantage of that opportunity to ask for $$$ from those men and give to those girls. 



Funny. I should had lol... jk in a millions i wouldn't even do it.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on May 23, 2013, 01:47:59 PM
LindaVue, i think for the most part, those girls and guys who meet up at those bars/clubs/hotels see it as a win-win situation.  The girl makes more than she can ever make in a month and the guy gets whatever he satisfy.  Kinda like, you scratch my back and i scratch yours.  In situations like these, only the classiest (ahem ahem...LHG's May), can resist.  ;D
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lindavue on May 23, 2013, 02:08:29 PM
Great Summary LindaVue...

Just a couple of comments and questions for you.

Did the Laos Border Patrol Clerks "ask" you for money? If so, how much and did you give it?

Interesting observation on being in Laos... what did you think it was going to be like. You sound disappointed? Was it not like what you thought? What was different than what you had imagined?

As for the "Call Girls" at the hotels, I did hear of them. But truthfully, I did not visit any of the hotels where the girls worked. I cousin jokenly asked me if I wanted to visit one before I left, but I told him no, because I have already met May at that point.

May did tell me that she personally knew several girls from her village in Phonsavan that also went to work at he "hotels". Here is how they see it... you either break your back working in the rice fields and open markets for 30,000 kip a day OR you go work at the "hotels" for 100,000k an hour. Which would you rather do? The allure of big money in a short time is too overwhelming for some girls and they can not resist. I don't pity and I don't blame the girls that are selling their bodies, they must do what they do because they have to survive. But I do applaud those girls, the ones like May that choose to live above the it. I applaud the girls who, despite all their adversity, still thrives. Maybe that is why I am so attracted to May and have come to love her so much.

Thank you for the updates, keep them coming.

LHG

LHG,

No we didn't pay the border patrol anything except for the people who we ask to carry our luggage for us since we had alot. We went thru the process quickly and smoothly.

And No I was not dissappointed but rather tired and exhausted. It's my first time so I knew it won't be as what I picture it would be. However, I personally think that if I was to live in Laos, I rather would live in the Tojsiab rather than in the city. Will tell you about it later in my stories....
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 24, 2013, 10:24:54 AM
LHG,

No we didn't pay the border patrol anything except for the people who we ask to carry our luggage for us since we had alot. We went thru the process quickly and smoothly.

And No I was not dissappointed but rather tired and exhausted. It's my first time so I knew it won't be as what I picture it would be. However, I personally think that if I was to live in Laos, I rather would live in the Tojsiab rather than in the city. Will tell you about it later in my stories....

Linda,

I would have to agree with you about where to live in Laos, Tojsiab is way better... places like Vientiane, KM52 and even Nong Hai is way too hot, at least it was for me. The humidity and heat was just way too much to take in. Vang Vieng was the only exception, it was pleasant.

BTW - keep the blogs coming. I can't wait any longer. :(

LHG

Luang Prabang and Phonsavan is where I would settle in if I was to live in Laos.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 29, 2013, 09:56:28 AM
LHG,

No we didn't pay the border patrol anything except for the people who we ask to carry our luggage for us since we had alot. We went thru the process quickly and smoothly.

And No I was not dissappointed but rather tired and exhausted. It's my first time so I knew it won't be as what I picture it would be. However, I personally think that if I was to live in Laos, I rather would live in the Tojsiab rather than in the city. Will tell you about it later in my stories....

Lindavue,  Hope you're well. Have not seen any of your updates for awhile. Are you ok?

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lindavue on May 29, 2013, 12:50:45 PM
Lindavue,  Hope you're well. Have not seen any of your updates for awhile. Are you ok?

LHG

I have actually been busy trying to catch up on work so I can fly out again to Laos in the next few months here lol. trying get all my pictures and vids organize. BTW let me know if u are able to find any cheaper deals to laos for me flying out from either MN or the west coast there. i'm probably looking in to fly around either 08/30/2013-09/08/2013 or 11/22/2013-12/01/2013. It will be a short vacay... but i think it will be worth it.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 29, 2013, 02:40:32 PM
I have actually been busy trying to catch up on work so I can fly out again to Laos in the next few months here lol. trying get all my pictures and vids organize. BTW let me know if u are able to find any cheaper deals to laos for me flying out from either MN or the west coast there. i'm probably looking in to fly around either 08/30/2013-09/08/2013 or 11/22/2013-12/01/2013. It will be a short vacay... but i think it will be worth it.

How freakishly odd is this... I am also looking at just about the same timeframes for my travels. The best prices I have found for my 8/31/2013 - 09/14/2013 travel is on CheapOair.com flying out of SFO to VTE on China Eastern.  Total price is 1100 round trip. I am very close to making my decision... I just have a couple of lingering thoughts that is bugging me. 1. I have never booked with Cheapoair.  2. I have never flown with China Eastern before.

Today, I have an appt with one of the local Asian travel agencies. I am going to do some final price comparisons and will probably book my flights before the end of the month.

I bet I already know your reasons… but if you don’t mind me saying, 1 week is way too short to be traveling to Laos. Basically, you lose 2-3 days just do to traveling, which means you only get about 4-5 days to spend in Laos. If you can swing it, you should stay at least 2 weeks to make it worth your time and money. Just a thought I had.
I will update you again when I have something new to report. For now, good luck to you. For selfish reasons, (and only you can understand) I am your biggest fan right now!!!!

$988, Total $1102.42 China Eastern
$1229, Total $1334.82  Lao Airways
$1325, Total $1393.90  Vietnam Airlines
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lindavue on May 29, 2013, 03:44:36 PM
How freakishly odd is this... I am also looking at just about the same timeframes for my travels. The best prices I have found for my 8/31/2013 - 09/14/2013 travel is on CheapOair.com flying out of SFO to VTE on China Eastern.  Total price is 1100 round trip. I am very close to making my decision... I just have a couple of lingering thoughts that is bugging me. 1. I have never booked with Cheapoair.  2. I have never flown with China Eastern before.

Today, I have an appt with one of the local Asian travel agencies. I am going to do some final price comparisons and will probably book my flights before the end of the month.

I bet I already know your reasons… but if you don’t mind me saying, 1 week is way too short to be traveling to Laos. Basically, you lose 2-3 days just do to traveling, which means you only get about 4-5 days to spend in Laos. If you can swing it, you should stay at least 2 weeks to make it worth your time and money. Just a thought I had.
I will update you again when I have something new to report. For now, good luck to you. For selfish reasons, (and only you can understand) I am your biggest fan right now!!!!

$988, Total $1102.42 China Eastern
$1229, Total $1334.82  Lao Airways
$1325, Total $1393.90  Vietnam Airlines



This sure is freaky and I know its too short but its worth it for me hahaha. Do let me know what you find out...and Thank You!...
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: yoursunrise4ever on May 29, 2013, 04:08:16 PM
LHG,
 
I wish you well on your next trip back to Laos. Remember to keep us posted.
 
Always,
 
Sunrise
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SleeplessBeauty on May 29, 2013, 07:28:13 PM

So going back to my cousins nightclub/bar/motel. I felt very bad at how the place is run with Prostitution and child labor. I understand that it's a easy way of making a living but i felt very disgusted and really didn't want to stay there but it's family so I had to just bear it. That night the weather cool down, the music was on full blast with lao and thai songs. You can see all the girls putting on makeup and dressing up to start their shift. There are at least 5-6 prostitutes waiting out by the gates waiting for business. Seeing girls going and coming out from the motel room. I saw Hmong Meka, hmong nplog and nplog trying to get prostitutes for a quickie with the girls. There will be some hmong og's as old as my grandpa there wasting their money on these prostitutes. I feel bad for those hmong meka who goes and look like dogs. I understand if they go and visit laos or relatives but when you know u have a family to support save yourself some face and do better. I don't blame it on the guys for the most part but I guess its just a way of living to get quick money for the girls. I asked my cousin why these girls became prostitute and they said that most of the girls are usually from the tojsiab who were sent there to make money to send back to their families and some just like the money. The girls will then make the money for themself and just provide my cousin the fee for the motel and beer. Whatever they make they keep. The girls live in a room that is in the corner and is provided with food for some part I guess. The bar closes at 12pm and all the girls are then lock back up in the corner of the house and the gates are closed and lock.

To be continued

Alright! after reading this, my significant other isn't going to Laos alone or ever!! Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: theking on May 29, 2013, 08:49:53 PM
Alright! after reading this, my significant other isn't going to Laos alone or ever!! Thanks for sharing.

Don't think that strategy will work. If your "significant other" wants to or is that type, he will get it done regardless of location as prostitution is easily accessible in pretty much every corner of the globe. In fact, if you tell him no, it might just motivate him to do it even more...kind of like telling a kid no drives him towards it more.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 30, 2013, 10:18:02 AM
Don't think that strategy will work. If your "significant other" wants to or is that type, he will get it done regardless of location as prostitution is easily accessible in pretty much every corner of the globe. In fact, if you tell him no, it might just motivate him to do it even more...kind of like telling a kid no drives him towards it more.

SleeplessBeaut y

This is probably not the right forum or place for this discussion... so, I will be brief. I don’t condone cheating spouses, I think they are some of the lowest lifeforms on earth, next to divorce lawyers in my book. Having said that, I would have to agree with theKing. I believe that if your husband/wife is going to cheat on you, he/she will do it regardless of where you travel or where you live. If someone truly loves you, they should honor and love you dispite the temptations that may lay in front of them. Trust is the key. I would rather let my spouse roam, knowing that I can trust her completely than having her caged and having to worry if she will cheat on me when I have my back turned.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 30, 2013, 10:29:51 AM

This sure is freaky and I know its too short but its worth it for me hahaha. Do let me know what you find out...and Thank You!...

I met with a travel agent yesterday... 1100.00 is the lowest price. Good luck to you. I will book my ticket this weekend.

BTW - Please finish your travel journeys, we are all anxiously waiting to hear the ending.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on May 30, 2013, 10:49:46 AM
wow.... so both LHG and lindavue are going back?

i'm so happy for you two to have found love over there....

here's a song for both of you... to reunite with your loved ones soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg9Urm2_7xQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg9Urm2_7xQ#ws)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SleeplessBeauty on May 30, 2013, 11:44:37 AM

SleeplessBeauty

This is probably not the right forum or place for this discussion... so, I will be brief. I don’t condone cheating spouses, I think they are some of the lowest lifeforms on earth, next to divorce lawyers in my book. Having said that, I would have to agree with theKing. I believe that if your husband/wife is going to cheat on you, he/she will do it regardless of where you travel or where you live. If someone truly loves you, they should honor and love you dispite the temptations that may lay in front of them. Trust is the key. I would rather let my spouse roam, knowing that I can trust her completely than having her caged and having to worry if she will cheat on me when I have my back turned.

LHG

You are correct to a certain extent but it’s more likely to happen if he goes to Laos. Afterall, he is on vacation so whatever happens in Laos stay in Laos.  It is easier and tempted to cheat in Laos because of the availability and willingness of the hmong girls there for money plus they’re younger meat versus here in the US, the availability and willingness of those willing to cheat with him are older divorcees who are looking for love/attachment.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Gawmp on May 30, 2013, 11:48:13 AM
LHG/Lindavue - please do keep us in the loop too when travel time comes around again. I am excited for you guys.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on May 30, 2013, 12:35:40 PM
 
You are correct to a certain extent but it’s more likely to happen if he goes to Laos. Afterall, he is on vacation so whatever happens in Laos stay in Laos.  It is easier and tempted to cheat in Laos because of the availability and willingness of the hmong girls there for money plus they’re younger meat versus here in the US, the availability and willingness of those willing to cheat with him are older divorcees who are looking for love/attachment.


when the opppurtunity is there... any husband will take that oppurtunity.   ;D
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SleeplessBeauty on May 30, 2013, 12:39:21 PM
when the opppurtunity is there... any husband will take that oppurtunity.   ;D

yup. men will never ever admit to what their true intention is when they want to visit Laos but we are not stupid!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on May 30, 2013, 12:55:50 PM
yup. men will never ever admit to what their true intention is when they want to visit Laos but we are not stupid!
the women there are simply irresistible to men from all over the world.  props to them because they have mastered the art of wooing any man.   O0

if there is any doubt your husband will fall for temptation... you best go with him or better yet...no trip alone.   O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: theking on May 30, 2013, 04:19:42 PM
SleeplessBeauty

This is probably not the right forum or place for this discussion... so, I will be brief. I don’t condone cheating spouses, I think they are some of the lowest lifeforms on earth, next to divorce lawyers in my book. Having said that, I would have to agree with theKing. I believe that if your husband/wife is going to cheat on you, he/she will do it regardless of where you travel or where you live. If someone truly loves you, they should honor and love you dispite the temptations that may lay in front of them. Trust is the key. I would rather let my spouse roam, knowing that I can trust her completely than having her caged and having to worry if she will cheat on me when I have my back turned.

LHG

You nailed (for lack of a better word) it!!! O0

"Trust" is key for sure, if you don't have that, it's not going to work imho...
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: theking on May 30, 2013, 04:21:24 PM
yup. men will never ever admit to what their true intention is when they want to visit Laos but we are not stupid!

Same kind of thinking can apply to women too...it's not like women don't cheat on their husbands.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: boO on May 30, 2013, 04:36:47 PM
LHG

Whoo hoo for you...:)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SleeplessBeauty on May 30, 2013, 10:07:57 PM
Same kind of thinking can apply to women too...it's not like women don't cheat on their husbands.

I don't think I have heard of cases where a married woman go to Laos to cheat/married txiv yau on her husband. Those few women that went oversea were all divorced.I hear so many married men going to Laos to tham hluas nkauj/ yuav niam yau.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: theking on May 31, 2013, 12:12:57 AM
I don't think I have heard of cases where a married woman go to Laos to cheat/married txiv yau on her husband. Those few women that went oversea were all divorced.I hear so many married men going to Laos to tham hluas nkauj/ yuav niam yau.

The women oppressing primitive Hmong ways have very little respect for women. A man can do just about anything he wants and his wife have very little to zero say in the matter. In the Hmong society, Hmong men are allowed to date/have mistresses and even marry other women after they are already married but a woman cannot. Therefore, those "married men" feel it's their right to do so. I'm glad that some Hmong women have empowered themselves via the ways of the west. They have the power to speak up against the primitive ways, and if their husbands choose to break the trust, they'll pay for it.

But getting back on the "cheating" topic, Hmong women can and have cheated just the same as men when they want to and yes, even the married ones. Which is why I said, Same kind of thinking can apply to women too...
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 31, 2013, 12:50:51 PM
LHG/Lindavue - please do keep us in the loop too when travel time comes around again. I am excited for you guys.

Thank you for the well wishes. I will keep you all posted. Heck, might even invite you all to the wedding.  ;)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 31, 2013, 12:52:21 PM
LHG

Whoo hoo for you...:)

Thank you boo... I also heard from your friend and I am so happy for you as well. Maybe someday we all can meet! 90 days and counting for me!!! BitterSweet!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 31, 2013, 12:59:18 PM
when the opppurtunity is there... any husband will take that oppurtunity.   ;D

AOZ - I am not sure if you're statement was made on a serious note or not... but there are still some people (both HUSBANDS and WIVES) who are generally honest and very faithful to their spouses. So, I would disagree with you, NOT ALL husbands would "take the opportunity" as you would put it.

I was not like that, on both of my trips to Laos, I DID NOT and will NOT visit those "hotels".  But, YES, there are still a bunch of us that are still honest and faithful to our S/O. I pity those that have to constantly look after or watch over their spouses so that they will not cheat, it's horrible way to live and love.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: theking on May 31, 2013, 03:15:51 PM
AOZ - I am not sure if you're statement was made on a serious note or not... but there are still some people (both HUSBANDS and WIVES) who are generally honest and very faithful to their spouses. So, I would disagree with you, NOT ALL husbands would "take the opportunity" as you would put it.

I was not like that, on both of my trips to Laos, I DID NOT and will NOT visit those "hotels".  But, YES, there are still a bunch of us that are still honest and faithful to our S/O. I pity those that have to constantly look after or watch over their spouses so that they will not cheat, it's horrible way to live and love.

LHG

Don't sweat it LHG. Some people have a very narrow and short sighted views i.e., clumping everyone together like that, but when you ask for proof, all you hear is crickets. Sometimes, you have to take some people's words with a grain of salt due to ignorance.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: lindavue on May 31, 2013, 03:20:37 PM
Thank you for the well wishes. I will keep you all posted. Heck, might even invite you all to the wedding.  ;)


lol.... yes do keep us posted lol....very happy for you...
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on May 31, 2013, 03:46:14 PM

lol.... yes do keep us posted lol....very happy for you...

Happy for me???? Happy for you too.. btw, I was just kidding about the wedding thing. Just going back to visit her for now.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: yoursunrise4ever on June 05, 2013, 03:09:14 PM
LHG,
 
Will we see a proposal in the making? I'm sure that May is anticipating your visit in August. Did you already purchased your tickets?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on June 06, 2013, 11:38:16 AM
LHG,
 
Will we see a proposal in the making? I'm sure that May is anticipating your visit in August. Did you already purchased your tickets?

Sunrise,

Thank you for asking… I did purchase my ticket; I will be leaving for Laos in the early part of September when it will be exactly 1 year since I joined PH.

I am very excited and nervous as well. I have never had a long distance relationship and honestly, this is killing me inside. It is very hard to hear a May's voice and not be able to hold her or kiss her.

We both agree to take this slow, so no plans for a wedding anytime soon. We both just want to enjoy the moment and see where it leads us.

Thanks again and talk to you soon,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on June 09, 2013, 02:06:45 PM
Sunrise,

Thank you for asking… I did purchase my ticket; I will be leaving for Laos in the early part of September when it will be exactly 1 year since I joined PH.

I am very excited and nervous as well. I have never had a long distance relationship and honestly, this is killing me inside. It is very hard to hear a May's voice and not be able to hold her or kiss her.

We both agree to take this slow, so no plans for a wedding anytime soon. We both just want to enjoy the moment and see where it leads us.

Thanks again and talk to you soon,

LHG

This is funny, at first I thought you strictly was just vacationing. ;D
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on June 10, 2013, 05:32:52 PM
This is funny, at first I thought you strictly was just vacationing. ;D


Good to hear from you Baddabing... ;D This, from a guy who promises NOTHING but cheap, beautiful and willing girls from Laos.

Hhehehe... nothing serious YET, just taking it one day at a time. BTW - you heading back to Laos/Thailand anytime soon?

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on June 12, 2013, 10:26:19 AM
LHG, how many Mays are there waiting for you over there?   :2funny:
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Dok_Champa on June 12, 2013, 11:18:28 AM
Tickets are expensive.  Did you find a good rate?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on June 12, 2013, 03:24:13 PM
LHG, how many Mays are there waiting for you over there?   :2funny:

Just one AOZ.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: PRINCESS. on June 12, 2013, 05:57:55 PM
LHG bring her back home with you. Webcam and fone secks gets old real quick. Not that I would know or anything. lol
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on June 13, 2013, 03:34:32 PM


Good to hear from you Baddabing... ;D This, from a guy who promises NOTHING but cheap, beautiful and willing girls from Laos.

Hhehehe... nothing serious YET, just taking it one day at a time. BTW - you heading back to Laos/Thailand anytime soon?

LHG

im stuck now, can't go anywhere alone no more, but you should keep traveling and having fun while you still can.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on June 13, 2013, 04:55:51 PM
LHG bring her back home with you. Webcam and fone secks gets old real quick. Not that I would know or anything. lol

Hey GNAM...

How have you been? Yes... my phone bill is thru the roof and yet I still I misses her like crazy. Everyday and every minute of my life is spent talking with her, thinking about her or doing something for her. It's getting to be an obsession and I don't think it's healthy for me.

The water well in her villiage is full again, she tells me, thanks to the recent rain storms. Infact, her shop was partially flooded becasue there was too much rain. Business is slow for her right now, all the kids are out of school and so there is very little traffic passing her store. The rain has also started the people to plant their crops... rice, corn, cucumbers. He villiage is nearly empty on most days. I can only imagine how everything must be growing and how green the countryside must be. I am sure the dust and dirt is now gone, replace with lush beautiful foliage... I miss that little villiage so much.

I have my ticket in hand and I am counting down the days.

Talk to you soon,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on June 13, 2013, 04:57:52 PM
im stuck now, can't go anywhere alone no more, but you should keep traveling and having fun while you still can.

What!!! Ua cas rau koj? Did you get married to one of your Laos girls? Took your own advice huh? LOL

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: shootingstar on June 19, 2013, 03:58:21 PM
LMG, thanks for sharing your journey. Think I've read almost all your posts. Your great writing keeps me reading.Hopefu lly your time& effort is worth it for the lover over there. If the relationship is actually successful , please share the news with us. Also, be safe on your next trip back. Do share more of your journals too.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on June 20, 2013, 04:31:46 PM
LMG, thanks for sharing your journey. Think I've read almost all your posts. Your great writing keeps me reading.Hopefu lly your time& effort is worth it for the lover over there. If the relationship is actually successful , please share the news with us. Also, be safe on your next trip back. Do share more of your journals too.

Hello Shootingstar,

Thank you for stopping by and thank you for reading... everything written was from the heart. I will keep everyone posted, when and if possible.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on June 25, 2013, 02:09:04 PM
What!!! Ua cas rau koj? Did you get married to one of your Laos girls? Took your own advice huh? LOL

yes I did, and mind isn't that bad, so far so good.  O0

Be very very careful if you are deciding to marry one from over there.  4 out of every 10 girls brought from over there don't work out and causes big problems once they get here.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on July 01, 2013, 05:06:06 PM
yes I did, and mind isn't that bad, so far so good.  O0

Be very very careful if you are deciding to marry one from over there.  4 out of every 10 girls brought from over there don't work out and causes big problems once they get here.

Congrats to you and your new bride... I am very happy for you and I envy you.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: PRINCESS. on July 01, 2013, 07:14:27 PM
Hey GNAM...

How have you been? Yes... my phone bill is thru the roof and yet I still I misses her like crazy. Everyday and every minute of my life is spent talking with her, thinking about her or doing something for her. It's getting to be an obsession and I don't think it's healthy for me.

The water well in her villiage is full again, she tells me, thanks to the recent rain storms. Infact, her shop was partially flooded becasue there was too much rain. Business is slow for her right now, all the kids are out of school and so there is very little traffic passing her store. The rain has also started the people to plant their crops... rice, corn, cucumbers. He villiage is nearly empty on most days. I can only imagine how everything must be growing and how green the countryside must be. I am sure the dust and dirt is now gone, replace with lush beautiful foliage... I miss that little villiage so much.

I have my ticket in hand and I am counting down the days.

Talk to you soon,

LHG

I've been good, thanks! Already bought a ticket? When are you going back?

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on August 19, 2013, 08:19:57 PM
some of you guys should go to Malaysia... i hear they have lots of beautiful hmong women there who aren't after your money. 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: theking on August 19, 2013, 09:12:00 PM
some of you guys should go to Malaysia... i hear they have lots of beautiful hmong women there who aren't after your money. 

Disagree, "money" is still on top of many women's criteria when looking for a mate regardless of what country they are from. Just like looks is on top of many men's criteria when looking for their mates. Therefore, can't count on the "who aren't after your money".
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on August 20, 2013, 01:51:34 PM
Disagree, "money" is still on top of many women's criteria when looking for a mate regardless of what country they are from. Just like looks is on top of many men's criteria when looking for their mates. Therefore, can't count on the "who aren't after your money".

True, women and men all think pretty much alike everywhere.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on August 21, 2013, 12:37:41 PM
Not necessarily.  In Laos....parent s want to have daughters only..when they have sons...they get upset...becaus e they know that having girls means hmong mekas will shower them with money to buy home animals etc. 

It's all business to cov hmoob nplog... Moral values down the drain.   

I hear Malaysia is still innocent and untainted like Laos.   O0. The next destination for hmoob mekas
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Dok_Champa on August 21, 2013, 01:39:33 PM
some of you guys should go to Malaysia... i hear they have lots of beautiful hmong women there who aren't after your money. 
  There's hmong people living in Malaysia?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on August 22, 2013, 03:35:20 PM
Hey GNAM...

How have you been? Yes... my phone bill is thru the roof and yet I still I misses her like crazy. Everyday and every minute of my life is spent talking with her, thinking about her or doing something for her. It's getting to be an obsession and I don't think it's healthy for me.

The water well in her villiage is full again, she tells me, thanks to the recent rain storms. Infact, her shop was partially flooded becasue there was too much rain. Business is slow for her right now, all the kids are out of school and so there is very little traffic passing her store. The rain has also started the people to plant their crops... rice, corn, cucumbers. He villiage is nearly empty on most days. I can only imagine how everything must be growing and how green the countryside must be. I am sure the dust and dirt is now gone, replace with lush beautiful foliage... I miss that little villiage so much.

I have my ticket in hand and I am counting down the days.

Talk to you soon,

LHG

Oh oh, somebody is getting played by a Laos hmong girl. ;D

It's good that you fell in love with this girl and seems to care about her a lot.  But I will tell you from what I know about girls over there just so you be cautious about it. 

I hope that this girl you met is not one of the very pretty ones.  Because the prettier the girl is from over there, the less likely you are able to trust them once you come back home because they have a lot of guys chasing after them; they might even have boyfriends from over there already or from the U.S before you met them.

I would say out of 10 girls from over there, especially if they are pretty, maybe only 1 or 2 is trustworthy and doesn't have somebody courting them once you come back home.

Goodluck and hope things work out for you.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on August 26, 2013, 01:32:39 PM
LHG, neeg siab phem. I hope you're having the time of your life. What happened to the daily journal?

Did LHG go again? Dang!!! May has got him madly in love. :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: sinister357 on August 26, 2013, 01:34:22 PM
soon, i'm going to have a thread like this and be gone too. ;D
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: sinister357 on August 26, 2013, 01:53:05 PM
I'll make sure to sticky like this one too. This time, I want video diary.. :D :D
you're suppose to stop me and say there are plenty of good woman left in ph. ;D
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on August 28, 2013, 03:21:50 PM
Yes, I believe so. Hopefully, this time he will bring May back. How about you?

I dont think i will be going this year, given my current schedule and recent change in life.  But just thinking about my times there, makes my heart weep.  :'(
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 23, 2013, 02:50:24 PM
Hello My PH Brothers and Sisters,

I just dropped by to say hi and to check on how everyone is doing! Hopefully everyone is well and happy! I miss you all....Menyuam Hmoob, HS, TH, MANG, baddabing, Champa, AOZ,  King, sinister357, Gawmp, boo, Linda, summerberry, sleepless, archor, milesdaddy.... miss all of you guys! Be safe and PM me with anything new in your life!

Take care and talk to you all soon,

LHG



Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: couchpotato on October 24, 2013, 10:11:41 AM
Hello My PH Brothers and Sisters,

I just dropped by to say hi and to check on how everyone is doing! Hopefully everyone is well and happy! I miss you all....Menyuam Hmoob, HS, TH, MANG, baddabing, Champa, AOZ,  King, sinister357, Gawmp, boo, Linda, summerberry, sleepless, archor, milesdaddy.... miss all of you guys! Be safe and PM me with anything new in your life!

Take care and talk to you all soon,

LHG





So what happened? Did you marry May?  ???

Good to know you're still alive and kicking. :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: theking on October 28, 2013, 04:21:25 AM
Hello My PH Brothers and Sisters,

I just dropped by to say hi and to check on how everyone is doing! Hopefully everyone is well and happy! I miss you all....Menyuam Hmoob, HS, TH, MANG, baddabing, Champa, AOZ,  King, sinister357, Gawmp, boo, Linda, summerberry, sleepless, archor, milesdaddy.... miss all of you guys! Be safe and PM me with anything new in your life!

Take care and talk to you all soon,

LHG





I'm well. Hope you are well too! Keep us posted when you can.  O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 29, 2013, 11:19:07 AM
So what happened? Did you marry May?  ???

Good to know you're still alive and kicking. :)

Good to hear from you Anchor... I am doing fine.  May and I are still very good friends and talk everyday. I miss her alot and will see her in a few weeks. Please shoot any good vibes you can spare my way... I am going to need it.

Talk to you soon,

LHG
 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 29, 2013, 11:22:20 AM
I'm well. Hope you are well too! Keep us posted when you can.  O0

Hey Bro...

I am doing well. I am just a little frustrated and anxious... but I will be fine. Work is letting up a bit right now and I have requested for some time off. I will keep you posted.

Thanks again,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on October 29, 2013, 12:33:29 PM
***Update on New Years for Laos***

If you are planning to visit Laos for Hmong New Year, airline tickets will be at their cheapest during the last week of October. You should purchase your ticket now, if not already. For those that are interested… New Years for Phonsavan, Laos is schedule for December 3, 2013. All other parts of Laos has not yet been determined... my guess is that it will also fall into that same period.

If you do go, please have a safe and fun trip. Also remember that you’re a guest in a foreign country so please act like a guest.

Happy Travels,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: couchpotato on October 30, 2013, 01:17:36 PM
Good to hear from you Anchor... I am doing fine.  May and I are still very good friends and talk everyday. I miss her alot and will see her in a few weeks. Please shoot any good vibes you can spare my way... I am going to need it.

Talk to you soon,

LHG
 

Awww. Good luck! I think you should marry her if things fall into place.  :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on November 01, 2013, 08:35:01 AM
***Update on New Years for Laos***

If you are planning to visit Laos for Hmong New Year, airline tickets will be at their cheapest during the last week of October. You should purchase your ticket now, if not already. For those that are interested… New Years for Phonsavan, Laos is schedule for December 3, 2013. All other parts of Laos has not yet been determined... my guess is that it will also fall into that same period.

If you do go, please have a safe and fun trip. Also remember that you’re a guest in a foreign country so please act like a guest.

Happy Travels,

LHG


Happy travels LHG!!!  I truly wish I can go again this year. :(  You got me going back to my video/pictures from last year and missing those good old times.  :'(  Wish you and MAY the best!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 01, 2013, 10:03:03 AM
***Cheapest Air - China Easter Airlines***

http://www.vayama.com/fly/result/index.jsp?s=41311606&vayamaVisit=0&clickThrough=N&originArray=SFO,VTE&destArray=VTE,SFO&dateArray=28102013,22112013&cabinClass=Y&carrPreferance=&noAdults=1&noSenior=0&noChild=0&noInfants=0&noStudents=0&nonStops=&timeArray=0,0,0,0&couponCode=&tripType=RT&random=0.6239040523162536 (http://www.vayama.com/fly/result/index.jsp?s=41311606&vayamaVisit=0&clickThrough=N&originArray=SFO,VTE&destArray=VTE,SFO&dateArray=28102013,22112013&cabinClass=Y&carrPreferance=&noAdults=1&noSenior=0&noChild=0&noInfants=0&noStudents=0&nonStops=&timeArray=0,0,0,0&couponCode=&tripType=RT&random=0.6239040523162536)

Average/Person $950USD

Travel Dates: Nov. 28, 2013 → Dec. 22,  2013

China Eastern Airlines
SFO   12:00p  → VTE  10:45a
 3 stops (PVG...) 31h 45m

China Eastern Airlines
VTE   2:50p  → SFO  9:30a
2 stops (KMG...)
33h 40m

Please note that the layover in China is about 12 hours, but for a great price.

Happy Travels,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 01, 2013, 10:05:27 AM
Happy travels LHG!!!  I truly wish I can go again this year. :(  You got me going back to my video/pictures from last year and missing those good old times.  :'(  Wish you and MAY the best!

Yo MenyuamHmoob!!!

How's going! and How's the married life buddy! hahahahaha

Good to hear from you. Ya, wish you could go with me too. A ton of people are going this year from what I have heard so far. I am so ready for a vacation and so ready to see May again!

Thanks for the well wishes and talk to you soon,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 01, 2013, 10:06:24 AM
Awww. Good luck! I think you should marry her if things fall into place.  :)

Thank you... I will let you know what happens for sure!

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 08, 2013, 02:15:57 PM
Well, I am all packed... 2 large suitcases, 1 carryon and 1 backpack with my laptop and all of my electronics. I have my eticket in hand and got my passport back from the Lao embassy a few days ago. It will be exactly 7 days and 12 hours until my plane takes off from San Francisco.

I still need to visit the Postal Office and have them hold my mail, I still have to mow my lawn, I still need to visit my bank and withdraw some spending money and I still need to arrange for a ride to the airport.

It has not really hit me yet that I will be going to Laos. It still feels like it will be months from now.  I am nervous, scared and excited, all at the same time.

I will update this blog in about a week…

Happy Travels,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: blablablablabla on November 08, 2013, 02:28:01 PM
have fun there! I'm envious of you!  8)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Gawmp on November 11, 2013, 07:42:12 AM
Good luck and have lots of fun  O0. I'm still waiting for the day when you update us and tell us that May and you are one and she'll be coming over soon.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 12, 2013, 02:02:32 PM
have fun there! I'm envious of you!  8)

Hey Blablablablabl a,

Nothing to be envious over... I am not sure of your current life or financial situation, so I will only give you or anyone who's reading this just one advice. This is given from the heart.  :)

First, ask yoursrelf this question. 10 years from now, 20 years from now... or even 5 years from now. Will you be able to do things you're currently doing today? We often take our current situations for granted, I know I have... but everything can change at a moment's notice. So, if you're able to travel and have the means, you should do it. Don't save it for tomorrow. If you're single, go by yourself. If you're married, take your wife/husband. Go and see the world. Remember... in the end, what will you want to remember, being at work til 5:00 PM or being in Laos with your loved ones?

The choice is clear if you think about it... No one ever says they wished they had worked an extra hour of overtime on their deathbeds.

Happy Travels,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 12, 2013, 02:05:51 PM
Good luck and have lots of fun  O0. I'm still waiting for the day when you update us and tell us that May and you are one and she'll be coming over soon.

Hey Gawmp...

Good to hear from you. I was wondering when you might show up! Of course I will keep you posted! LOL.

Thanks for the good vibes again and talk to you soon,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 12, 2013, 02:23:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNmllPKtXkU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNmllPKtXkU#)

A good friend of mine email this link yesterday... I have never heard this song before and I don't know who the singer is, so please accept my apologies. The song is sung in Hmong Green, my buddy tells me.

If you're wondering why I am sending you there... this song reminded me of my own mother who passed away several years ago. And if you remember correctly, it was my mother's passing that started my odyssey to Laos 2 years ago. For those that have also lost a loved one, I dedicate this song to you. The words are simple but sung with so much conviction... enjoy.

I hope and wish everyone a safe and happy holiday period.  Please remember those that have come before you and those that are still near to your heart… remember to tell them you love them today.

Happy Travels,

LHG

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Dok_Champa on November 12, 2013, 02:30:35 PM
Have a wonderful trip! I wish I was going too.  I'll have eggs and ramen diet for the next two years and hopefully my wish may come true.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 13, 2013, 10:10:53 AM
Have a wonderful trip! I wish I was going too.  I'll have eggs and ramen diet for the next two years and hopefully my wish may come true.  We'll see.

Hello Champa!

I hope you and yours are well. I wish you could come too... truly I do. Hopefully your wait will not be long and it will be worth it once you do go. Good luck.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 13, 2013, 10:14:54 AM
Demons in the dark.

What do you fear the most in life?  I don’t mean something like a scary movie or the fear you may experience after being in a car accident. What demons haunt you in your dreams? What keeps you up late at night? My greatest fear in life was to be poor.

Growing up, we were always poor. My parents came to this country with only the clothes on their backs and with no formal education; we were on public assistance for most of my childhood. Looking back, my brothers, my sister and I had to do without many of the things most of the other kids took for granted.
 
We only went cloth shopping once a year and it was usually right before school started. All the kids would get a pair of shoes and some clothing, usually 2 pair of pants and a couple of shirts, but that was the extend of our budget. We coveted brands like Reebok, Levi’s and Guess… like our lives depended on it. For a teenager with friends who came from working parents, it seemed humiliating. 

For the longest time, I blamed my parents; I blame them for being poor and for being uneducated. Most of all, I blame them for having me and bringing me into the situation we were in. It was not until later, much later that I realized the sacrifices my parents made to get us here.  I did not appreciate the things they did and that, what they did, was the best that they could have done given the resources they had.
 
All through college and evening into most of my adult life, I had to work very hard. While in college, I carried a full load while living off grants and working a part time job to support myself. My car was old and it did not have AC.  None of the tires matched and the car often overheated, sometimes leaving me stranded for hours. Even in the summer time, I had to turn on the heater just so the car would run. Sometimes, I did not have gas money and had to walk to school and work. I ate a lot of chicken and cup of noodles because it was cheap.  I visited a sit down restaurant for the first time after turning 25 years old.
 
Over the years, I have come to realize something very important and it has changed my life. We can let our fears overcome us or we can use fear as a motivation to better ourselves. We can see fear as an enemy, something to run away from or we can see fear as a friend who teaches us and shows us a way out. For better or for worst, fear has motivated me and has gotten me to be where I am today.  Of course, my journey is far from over, but now I know I am stronger today then I was yesterday.

In a little over 24 hours, I will be leaving for the airport. For this trip, I will be bringing my sister along with me.


Happy Travels,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on November 13, 2013, 10:53:39 AM
safe traveling to you.

so it'll be one year since you seen may.   i'm sure that will be awkward and beautiful all at once.  dont' take to long to decide whether you want her here with you or not.  never know what tomorrow may bring.   O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Gawmp on November 13, 2013, 11:07:55 AM
Have a safe trip and I hope you'd be much happier when you see May waiting for you at VTE. It would be nice to have that on video as a memorabilia.

I can just see the two of you + your sister travelling along that bumpy road to Non Hai. Soon (maybe next year) my wife and I will be travelling on that same road heading the same way to the same town as well.

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: couchpotato on November 14, 2013, 04:23:32 AM
Well, I am all packed... 2 large suitcases, 1 carryon and 1 backpack with my laptop and all of my electronics. I have my eticket in hand and got my passport back from the Lao embassy a few days ago. It will be exactly 7 days and 12 hours until my plane takes off from San Francisco.

I still need to visit the Postal Office and have them hold my mail, I still have to mow my lawn, I still need to visit my bank and withdraw some spending money and I still need to arrange for a ride to the airport.

It has not really hit me yet that I will be going to Laos. It still feels like it will be months from now.  I am nervous, scared and excited, all at the same time.

I will update this blog in about a week…

Happy Travels,

LHG


Safe travels LHG. :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 19, 2013, 05:18:28 PM
Good morning from the Lao People’s Democratic Republic… I hope this message finds everyone and finds everyone well.

It is a glorious morning here; the sun is just barely peaking out of the east, with beautiful shades of orange, red and light blue. The air is cool, moist and full of fragrance with just a hint of the Mekong River nearby. The streets below my hotel are still empty, the shops are still closed, and the tuk tuks are still silent.  I am in Vientiane, the capital of Laos and also the largest and most populist city. Even in a city of this size, I am still amaze at how quite and still the mornings can be.  I have not heard a single honking horn nor have I seen any flashing lights this morning. There is the absence of screeching tires and police sirens and there are no helicopters hovering over heard.

I love this time of the day... A new begining to all things and everything is possible. 

I think I will go downstairs and see if May is up… we have a big day ahead of us. We’re going to explore this city today!

Talk to you all soon,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Gawmp on November 20, 2013, 08:14:54 AM
Glad to hear you made it and glad to hear that you're close to the woman whom your heart yearned for  O0. How about a picture of the two of you in Vientiane? You can PM.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: theking on November 20, 2013, 02:57:49 PM
Good morning from the Lao People’s Democratic Republic… I hope this message finds everyone and finds everyone well.

It is a glorious morning here; the sun is just barely peaking out of the east, with beautiful shades of orange, red and light blue. The air is cool, moist and full of fragrance with just a hint of the Mekong River nearby. The streets below my hotel are still empty, the shops are still closed, and the tuk tuks are still silent.  I am in Vientiane, the capital of Laos and also the largest and most populist city. Even in a city of this size, I am still amaze at how quite and still the mornings can be.  I have not heard a single honking horn nor have I seen any flashing lights this morning. There is the absence of screeching tires and police sirens and there are no helicopters hovering over heard.

I love this time of the day... A new begining to all things and everything is possible. 

I think I will go downstairs and see if May is up… we have a big day ahead of us. We’re going to explore this city today!

Talk to you all soon,

LHG


Good to hear, thanks for the update! O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 20, 2013, 05:29:19 PM
Hey Blablablablabl a,

Nothing to be envious over... I am not sure of your current life or financial situation, so I will only give you or anyone who's reading this just one advice. This is given from the heart.  :)

First, ask yoursrelf this question. 10 years from now, 20 years from now... or even 5 years from now. Will you be able to do things you're currently doing today? We often take our current situations for granted, I know I have... but everything can change at a moment's notice. So, if you're able to travel and have the means, you should do it. Don't save it for tomorrow. If you're single, go by yourself. If you're married, take your wife/husband. Go and see the world. Remember... in the end, what will you want to remember, being at work til 5:00 PM or being in Laos with your loved ones?

The choice is clear if you think about it... No one ever says they wished they had worked an extra hour of overtime on their deathbeds.

Happy Travels,

LHG

I agree with what you're saying.  O0

...go out and see other parts the world before you die, in other words enjoy life now while you can, don't say later, you'll miss out.

I am trying to get my mother to go back to visit Laos/thailand once again because she is old now.  She's scared of all the negative hypes about laos.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 21, 2013, 11:16:09 AM
I agree with what you're saying.  O0

...go out and see other parts the world before you die, in other words enjoy life now while you can, don't say later, you'll miss out.

I am trying to get my mother to go back to visit Laos/thailand once again because she is old now.  She's scared of all the negative hypes about laos.

Hey Baddabing...

Good to hear from you... yes, by all means. Take your mom back, force her if you have too. :). Tell her don't believe all the hype. Laos is whatever she makes it.

Talk to you soon,

LHG

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 21, 2013, 11:17:03 AM
Places to see and things to do in Vientiane… Part 1

The one thing to know about Laos is that this beautiful country is still developing; the roads are rough and not very well maintained, some houses and buildings are old and not up to code and there are no zoning laws whatsoever. However, to me, that’s part of the charm and allure that keeps bringing me back to Laos.  To us, the people who were born or raised abroad, living conditions in Laos may seem outdated and deplorable. But to those who live here, it is their way of life and the only thing they know. For those that live here, life is good and they are content. Please keep these thoughts in the back of your mind as you explore Laos… or any other developing country and I promise you, you will have a better time.

So, May and I headed down to Talad Sao (translation: Morning Market) to get some breakfast because I was starving for some Hmong food. My stomach was starting to settle down after my long flight and it wanted food. From our hotel, it was a brisk 15 minutes walk to Talad Sao through some narrow streets and back alleys lined with large trees cover in moss. Some roads were clearly marked and others were not, some intersections had signs and others were a free for all.  It was an awesome walk, holding May’s warm hands in the cool morning air.
 
Our first stop was the Khua Din Market, an open air market that sits directly across from Talad Sao and behind the main bus terminal in Vientiane. Unlike Talad Sao which is 3 stories high and in an enclosed building like most traditional western malls, the Khua Din Market is only one level and has no doors.  I would say it most resembles a flea market; everything is under a canvas, on the ground or in a shed. At the Khua Din Market, you will find fruits, vegetables, fresh meat, herbs and restaurants.  Most locals prefer to shop here as opposed to Talad Sao.
 
We found a restaurant that had Hmong owners. The restaurant was a small room in a cinder block building, probably no larger than 10X10. Inside, there was a large fridge filled with sodas and water and 3 small tables, all empty. Towards the back there was a bbq grill and on the floor stood 2 wooden stoves.  The wife stood near the front counter, next to 2 freshly boiled game chickens under a fishnet cover. There was a man in the back, grilling some bbq pork. The nice lady asked me if I had just come from America… I nodded my head yes.  For the life of me, I don’t know how they know it, but I swear we Hmong-Americans must stand out like sore thumbs; they can spot us from miles away. I sat down at the table closest to the street.
 
There were no table cloths, no menu given out to us and the floor was dirty. Flies were all around us and we can smell flumes from the nearby buses. I pointed to one of the boiled chickens and May nodded her head. We also had some bbq pork with some sticky rice... 2 bottles water help to wash everything down… it was a really good meal and my first taste of real food since leaving SFO.  Our tab, 100,000 kip or a little over 10.00 US dollars for the whole meal.

As we sat there, finishing our meal, I could not help but notice how beautiful May is. Her face was still soft, her eyes still bright and her smile still so warm. Only a few months has passed since we last saw each other, but somehow, it felt like a lifetime… we both have grown a little older and a lot closer too.

I love this woman.

Well, it is midnight… so good night all. I will catch you tomorrow.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Dok_Champa on November 22, 2013, 09:41:25 AM
How's the weather in Laos, still hot?  Enjoy and thank you for taking us, ph family, w/ you on your trip.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: maipovci on November 22, 2013, 03:56:45 PM
hey lonelyhmgguy, a friend and i will be backpacking through se asian in couple of weeks. if you're still in laos, i would love to meet up. we'll be in laos on december 17th and through the 27th.

i'm excited for you.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: boO on November 22, 2013, 04:34:39 PM
Hello friend...

Your stories warm my heart.

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 22, 2013, 08:31:11 PM
How's the weather in Laos, still hot?  Enjoy and thank you for taking us, ph family, w/ you on your trip.

Weather is awsome Champa... Cool in the mornings and evenings and mild in the afternoon. Wish you were here!

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 22, 2013, 08:33:03 PM
hey lonelyhmgguy, a friend and i will be backpacking through se asian in couple of weeks. if you're still in laos, i would love to meet up. we'll be in laos on december 17th and through the 27th.

i'm excited for you.

Thanks for the good vibe Chick... unfortunately, I will be leaving Laos on the 10 of December. Work is calling.

Maybe next time and keep us posted on your adventures.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 22, 2013, 08:34:28 PM
Hello friend...

Your stories warm my heart.

Hey BoO... you're going to make me cry. Life is short. Life is precious and above all, you only get to ride this ride once. Make it count!

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 22, 2013, 08:34:59 PM
Places to see and things to do in Vientiane… Part 2

Talad Sao means “Morning Market” in Laos, so my cousin tells me. He explained to me that a long time ago, before the Vietnam War, Talad Sao really meant “morning market”. Most merchants would set up shop in the dark, way before dawn broke and by breakfast time, everything would have already been sold, hence the name Talad Sao. Nowadays, it is just a name. Sure, the market still sits on the same site, but the stores and merchants within rarely open before dawn and they typically stay open all day long.

After breakfast, we stroll through the fruit stands and I purchased 2kg of Lychees for 40,000 kip, one of my favorite fruits in Laos. The light brown fruit is a little smaller than a golf ball and has a sweet white flesh on the inside. May also purchased some sour mangos and 2 kg of oranges. I looked for pineapples but none was to be found.

Having had our fill of fruits, we cross the busy Lang Xang Ave to visit the Talad Sao. The building itself is huge by Laos’ standard; it had three floors with a multi-deck parking garage on the side. On the first floor are Cell Phone vendors and electronics. On the second floor is clothing and gifts. I was very surprise that a lot of the clothing stores were owned by Hmong people, some selling traditional Hmong clothing and jewelry. On the third and final floor, there is a large restaurant, movies and videos and more jewelry, including a gold shop.

Here, you will find that the prices here are a lot more expensive, even for the exact items sold in the Khua Din market across the street. Here, is where the teenagers hang out and do what kids do all over the world, they come to see and be seen. Prices here are higher but keep in mind that the merchant expects you to bargain with them, and that you should never pay the asking price.

I bought May some jeans and a bottle of Chanel No. 5. I highly doubt it’s the real thing… but who cares and who’s to know.

It was getting late so we headed back to our Hotel room to rest a bit. Later, we will explore the night market.
Talk to you all soon,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 22, 2013, 08:36:30 PM
LHG, must be morning where you are... Good morning.  Enjoy your day!

HS - Yes, it is morning. Late morning... 9:30 to be exact. We're out exploring and found an internet cafe. Thought I would update my PH buddies.

Thank you  and enjoy your day too. Saibadee!!!

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on November 22, 2013, 08:39:24 PM
Remember to share some pix with me when you get back. Hope you still have my email. :)

Yes, I will. Took alot of pics. But internet is so slow here, it's almost impossible to upload anything.

Stay safe and happy holidays if I don't talk to you soon.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on November 27, 2013, 05:06:11 PM
Lonely hmong guy,

When I first went to visit Laos back in 2007, I was a bit nervous and doubtful that I'll enjoy the trip because I hear people saying how most things/places are not well developed yet.  But in the end, it turns out that it's those very things that I come to enjoyed and missed most about my visit to Laos.

I will go back some day but for now what I would miss about laos is those cheap cell phone rings tones that goes chee-li chee-li and the smell and scent of Laos, especially in Vientiane during sun set.  I meant that in a serous way, not joking about anything.  also going there is sort of like traveling back in time or to another place, world, etc.

I tried to tell friends and family members if they would like to go visit laos don't wait too long, it's the simple undeveloped things and ideas there that they will come to enjoy most about visiting Laos.  Once the country is too developed there won't be much to see and experience anymore.

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 09, 2013, 01:47:34 PM
Hello All,

Happy Holidays, I hope everyone is well. I truly apologize for the delay everyone...  a lot has happen to me since my last blog. Most of what happen was very personal and kept me very busy so I did not feel it was appropriate at the time to update you all.

So…  Long story short, I am back at home now but more importantly, I have some great news.

Before anyone passes judgment or makes any comment, be it supportive comments or constructive criticism or just plain indifference, please understand that it took me a long, long, long time to come to my decision and do what I did.  As this is an open forum and many of you may not know me personally, some would say it does not matter… but for the sake of argument, please try to keep this blog civil.

So… to continue.

After a long day of shopping and sightseeing, May and I returned to our hotel.  I was still jetlagged and went to my room alone. I collapsed at the foot of my bed and slept for about an hour.

I woke up a little before 6 and I walked down stairs to May’s hotel room and found that she was still asleep. I joking told May that the old saying about our Hmong girls in Laos being hardworking and industrious must not apply to May, because she sure sleeps a lot.  She smiled in reply and kindly reminded me that a traditional Hmong girl would NOT be shopping nor sightseeing with her boyfriend in Vientiane either.  Touché!

We walked down to the Night Market, which was 2 blocks south of our hotel. The air was very still and it was an unusually warm evening, even for Laos’s weather. The hazy sky over Vientiane made for a brilliant sunset; bright shades of orange, red and yellow faded to the west over the winding Mekong River. Smoke and the smell of grilled meat and tilapia from the endless number of street vendors that lined the roads nearby filled the air. Little old ladies can be seen walking along the red canopy stalls, selling small bags of corn, baskets of bamboo rice and sliced sour mangos.

May and I walked along the Mekong level road that had been closed to motor traffic. We would stop occasionally to sit and people watch but spoke very little.  It was almost 8 months ago on this very same spot that we said out goodbyes. It was also on this very same spot that I told May I would return to her.  The very thought of being away from her, not having her in my life, not having her be a part of my life was unbearable and certainly something I did not want to experience again. As May got up to start our walk again, I pulled her hand back and sat her down again. She jerked and asked what was wrong… I had something to say, I told her.

Some things are hard to know and others are hard to understand… what each of us perceives to be true, real or worthwhile can be different and subjective. But one thing I think we can all agree upon is this… It is that, Love in its purest form is grand and that IT transcends everything else.

On that warm evening, on a continent thousands of miles from my home, in a place I thought I would never see, I asked May Vang to marry me and she said Yes.

I will update you again tomorrow…

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 09, 2013, 01:49:59 PM
Lonely hmong guy,

When I first went to visit Laos back in 2007, I was a bit nervous and doubtful that I'll enjoy the trip because I hear people saying how most things/places are not well developed yet.  But in the end, it turns out that it's those very things that I come to enjoyed and missed most about my visit to Laos.

I will go back some day but for now what I would miss about laos is those cheap cell phone rings tones that goes chee-li chee-li and the smell and scent of Laos, especially in Vientiane during sun set.  I meant that in a serous way, not joking about anything.  also going there is sort of like traveling back in time or to another place, world, etc.

I tried to tell friends and family members if they would like to go visit laos don't wait too long, it's the simple undeveloped things and ideas there that they will come to enjoy most about visiting Laos.  Once the country is too developed there won't be much to see and experience anymore.

I could not agree more.

Laos would, of course, will still be there. But you're right. The charm and the innocence of Laos will soon be lost and probably lost forever I fear.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: couchpotato on December 09, 2013, 01:51:35 PM
Hello All,

Happy Holidays, I hope everyone is well. I truly apologize for the delay everyone...  a lot has happen to me since my last blog. Most of what happen was very personal and kept me very busy so I did not feel it was appropriate at the time to update you all.

So…  Long story short, I am back at home now but more importantly, I have some great news.

Before anyone passes judgment or makes any comment, be it supportive comments or constructive criticism or just plain indifference, please understand that it took me a long, long, long time to come to my decision and do what I did.  As this is an open forum and many of you may not know me personally, some would say it does not matter… but for the sake of argument, please try to keep this blog civil.

So… to continue.

After a long day of shopping and sightseeing, May and I returned to our hotel.  I was still jetlagged and went to my room alone. I collapsed at the foot of my bed and slept for about an hour.

I woke up a little before 6 and I walked down stairs to May’s hotel room and found that she was still asleep. I joking told May that the old saying about our Hmong girls in Laos being hardworking and industrious must not apply to May, because she sure sleeps a lot.  She smiled in reply and kindly reminded me that a traditional Hmong girl would NOT be shopping nor sightseeing with her boyfriend in Vientiane either.  Touché!

We walked down to the Night Market, which was 2 blocks south of our hotel. The air was very still and it was an unusually warm evening, even for Laos’s weather. The hazy sky over Vientiane made for a brilliant sunset; bright shades of orange, red and yellow faded to the west over the winding Mekong River. Smoke and the smell of grilled meat and tilapia from the endless number of street vendors that lined the roads nearby filled the air. Little old ladies can be seen walking along the red canopy stalls, selling small bags of corn, baskets of bamboo rice and sliced sour mangos.

May and I walked along the Mekong level road that had been closed to motor traffic. We would stop occasionally to sit and people watch but spoke very little.  It was almost 8 months ago on this very same spot that we said out goodbyes. It was also on this very same spot that I told May I would return her.  The very thought of being away from her, not having her in my life, not having her be a part of my life was unbearable and certainly something I did not want to experience again. As May got up to start our walk again, I pulled her hand back and sat her down again. She jerked and asked what was wrong… I had something to say, I told her.

Some things are hard to know and others are hard to understand… what each of us perceives to be true, real or worthwhile can be different and subjective. But one thing I think we can all agree upon is this… It is that, Love in its purest form is grand and that IT transcends everything else.

On that warm evening, on a continent thousands of miles from my home, in a place I thought I would never see, I asked May Vang to marry me and she said Yes.

I will update you again tomorrow…

LHG


Eeek! I am very excited for you!

I can't wait to read the rest of your story. :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: shootingstar on December 09, 2013, 05:05:13 PM
Congrats!  Sounds like your love is so genuine for her and I hope that is the same from her as well. Good luck!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 10, 2013, 01:32:16 PM
LHG, I have a few concerns but I will not say it since it is your life and I want you to enjoy it. Congratulation and I wish you both the best! Take care my friend.

HS-

You should always speak your mind... PM me.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 10, 2013, 01:49:12 PM
Envy

My mother got married when she was just 16 years old, barely a child according to Western standards. But in Laos, she was already a woman, someone who was depended upon to cook and clean for her family, someone who worked in the fields to plant and harvest rice, and someone to watch and feed her family’s livestock.

She left her family, her home, her friends… she left the only life she barely knew for my father, barely a man himself. She left her lastname, her identity, her beliefs, her dreams and her passions to start a life with a man she had just met a few months earlier. When I think of my mother, the unfailing greatness of her spirit, the courage to face the unknown, and the dedication to her new life, I am taken with an immense respect for this simple Hmong Woman and all women in general.
 
I envy May and her courage for accepting my proposal. I hope to never disappoint her decision...

We woke up the next morning and rented a Suzuki Dream, a 100cc motor scooter, from the hotel located next door. Prices range from 70,000 to 100,000 kips a day and they will need your US Passport as collateral.  The night before, I had heard from our hotel clerk that there was a movie theater in Laos. I had already imagined seeing May in a movie theater for the first time in her life. A cup of soda and some popcorn would complete the picture, I am going to ask May to the movies!
 
The young Hmong man, who is from Phonsavan, works part time as the hotel clerk to help pay for college. His bed is a straw mat on the lobby floor when the front doors are closed. His shift starts on Friday nights and ends on Monday mornings, when he drives back to his college nearby.

After stopping to eat breakfast at Talad Sao, May and I headed off to ITECC, (Lao international Trade Exhibition and Convention Center). ITECC is an Exhibition Hall and shopping center that is just outside of the city. The complex was built back in 2004 at a cost of 10 million US Dollars by a Chinese company and the Lao government. The building is about 10 year old now and it is starting to show its’ age due to the lack of maintenance and upkeeps. The cement parking lot is starting to crack and the once green grass and lush vegetation around the huge building has die or is withering away. The paint is peeling and the signs are starting to fade. Inside the building you will find a huge western style supermarket with check out registers, a furniture store, a bowling center, 2 movie theaters and about 200 flea market style vendors.
 
The movie theater had 2 shows, Kick Ass 2 and a Thai Movie. We decided on Kick Ass 2 and the first showing was at noon. Being that it was barely 9 AM, we decided to take a stroll thru the shops to kill some time. Many of the shops offered the exact items for sale, mostly clothing including fake Prada, Oakley, Nike, Gucci and Adidas products. May bought a pair of shoes for 40,000 kips (5 dollars) and I bought a pair of Ray Ban knock-offs for 80,000 kips (10 dollars).
 
After some rest and a couple of cold drinks, May and I went bowling... 8,000 (1 dollar per game). May and I took turns throwing gutter balls, while laughing and falling down like two teenagers, it was awesome. For a moment, I was back in high school. For a moment, there were no deadlines. And for a moment, it was just the May and I, on a date, having the time of our lives.

That’s it for today…

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: theking on December 10, 2013, 08:38:07 PM

That’s it for today…

LHG


Good stuff LHG! O0

Post some pics if possible ...
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 11, 2013, 09:45:19 PM
Good stuff LHG! O0

Post some pics if possible ...

Hey King... Yes, stand by. Pics coming soon.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 11, 2013, 09:46:24 PM
No Buyer’s Remorse…

After an hour of throwing gutter balls, May and I were tired, so we left the bowling alley.  We walked downstairs to purchase some popcorn and sodas, our movie was about to start and I wanted to make sure we had good seat.

The theater was nearly empty when we walked in and was only half full when the movie started.  If no one told me that I was in the only movie theater in Laos, I swear it felt as if I was out on a date back in California on a Friday night. The seats were worn but still comfortable, it was cool but there was no AC and the sound system was decent.  Of course the entire movie was in Thai and I did not understand a word being said, but I had a great time none the less. It’s a good thing I saw this movie in the English version on the plane over to Laos.

After the movie, we drove home on our Suzuki Dream I rented from the hotel next door for 70,000 kips. We stopped by Pha That Luang, a gold-covered large Buddhist stupa in the centre of Vientiane that was built back in the 3rd century. The week before was the Pha That Luang Festival and about a dozen of vendors were still hanging around, which included food, video, clothing and balloon-dart throwing vendors. We bought a pound of BBQ pork, a plate of papaya salad and a pound of sticky rice and sat down to have dinner. The salad was fresh and very spicy, just the way we like it.

After dinner, May and I visited the video and balloon stalls, my brother in law had requested some tradition Laos music and I figure this was the perfect spot to get some. With May’s help, we bought 4, 2 traditional and 2 modern Laos music videos. While walking back to our motor-scooter, a Laotian lady shouted for us to play her dart-balloon tossing game. If you’re not familiar, popping balloons with darts for prizes is a very popular game in Laos during all holidays. The rules are simple, pop a balloon and win a prize. The price of each dart depends on size of the prize you're playing for. For Sodas, it’s 3000 kip per dart. For larger prizes, prices can range from 50,000 kips to over 200,000 kips per dart.

I saw a teddy bear that I swear was bigger than May. I asked May to ask the lady how much it would cost to win the stuff bear, the Laos lady said 120,000 kips per dart. Being who she is, May talked the lady to dropping the price to 80,000 kips per dart. Now, keep in mind that a day’s wage for the average worker in Laos is only 35,000 kips per day. It would be like putting two days of your salary on the line to win a teddy bear at the fair. Needless to say, throwing a single dart worth 80,000 kips for a chance at a teddy bear was a little nerve wrecking for May.

As I dropped down the 80,000 kips and picked up a dart, I can feel May’s hand grasping my shoulder. As I raised the dart to eye level, her grip got tighter. I pulled the dart back twice and released it on the third aim. May’s nails drove into my shoulder and I felt her fletched beside me, her eyes were closed. To her amazement, a loud “pop” was heard. I swear she jumped 3 feet into the air and screamed like a siren. I did not tell May, but I spent a lot of my nights playing darts while going thru college. It was like shooting fish in a barrel… way too easy.

We strapped the bear between the two of us on the motor-scooter, May’s hands firming around my waste and we were on our way home.  Am I happy with May, you bet! Did I make the right choice in choosing May, absolutely! Do I love this woman, oh God, Yes! Will our love pass the test of time, I can only pray.

That’s it for tonight guys… I will update you all tomorrow, our engagement party in Nong Hai.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 13, 2013, 04:44:06 PM
A tale that is as old at time…
   
I did not feel the earth tremble beneath our feet, the world did not stop turning, there were no fireworks, and not a single announcement or email went out. For the other millions and millions of human beings on planet earth, it was just another day… babies were born, kids got up and dressed for school, there were traffic jams, a ball game was played, meals were eaten and the sun came and went.  However, for 2 people among the millions, a connection was made and we started a life together.

It takes about 5 hours to go from Vientiane to Nong Hai and costs 60,000 kip per person. The road is only partially paved. Where the road is not paved, it can be very bumpy and dusty. We left our hotel rooms and headed towards the main bus terminal near Talad Sao a little bit pass 8 AM. The weather had changed, it was much cooler that morning and there was also a slight breeze blowing, a welcome relief from the hot days before as we got into our van.

When you reach Talad Sao, especially in the early morning hours, you will be greeted with a herd of drivers who promises to take you anywhere in Laos you want to go. There are drivers that will take you north to Luang Prabang and Xieng Khuang , other drivers  will take you  South to Savannakhet and others still will take you across to the border to Thailand. Just keep in mind that prices are always negotiable and to always, always know their fairs before you decide to board.

Standard Prices:
Vientiane to KM 52 – 15,000 kip
Vientiane to Nong Hai – 60,000 kip
Vientiane to Xieng Khuang – 150,000 kip
Vientiane to Luang Prabang – 160,000 kip

May and I arrived in Nong Hai a little past noon. It’s funny how much I missed this dusty little town. Every bump and rock in the road, every tree and piece of garbage that lay on the side of the road, every rice patty, every grazing cow, every dust covered bush and house. I miss them all.

Our van came to a stop and I got out first, my Aunt was waiting for me. I can see that there were tears already swelling in her eyes. Her wrinkle face had not changed and she was still wearing the same dress I last saw her in or so it would seem. She grabbed my heavy suitcase, a very strong woman for such a small frame, and lifted it off the ground. I gave her a hug as tears rolled down my cheeks. I am back I said to my aunt as we held each other for what seemed like a lifetime. She lifted her free hand and brushed the top of my hair and head. I know and welcome back my son, she said to me.

That’s it for today….  I will update you again next time.

LHG
 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 16, 2013, 08:03:27 PM
Finding my smile…

There is a smell and a scent that is distinctively “LAOS”, you know it the very moment your plane lands and you almost miss it the moment you plane takes off again. For those that have had the good fortune of visiting Laos, you know exactly what I am referring to… The same can be said of Nong Hai. You will know it the very minute you’re in Nong Hai. The air is fresh and clean, not harsh and without the fumes from motorized vehicles or the smell of open sewers often found in Vientiane.

It had been agreed that May and I would part ways when we got to Nong Hai. She will go home and my sister and I would go to my aunt’s house, at least for the time being. May’s mother was on her way to Nong Hai from Phonsavan, along with some of her blood relatives and if there was to be an engagement party, we would need her mother’s blessings. Honestly, I did not know how I would react to May’s mother or her to me. I don’t if she will approve of me. I felt like a teenager, sitting in the living room, waiting for his date on prom night.

The town was nearly empty, it was harvesting time and this year’s harvest was particularly good. The abundant and lengthy raining season made for an excellent rice crop this year. Most of the town’s people were still away, trying to harvest and bring in their crops before the upcoming Hmong New Year. Most of the farmland around Nong Hai has already been exhausted which means the best hills for farming are at least a day’s walk away. Because of the long distances, most farmers lack the means to bring their crops home. As a result, a business of sort has emerged in Laos. There are several families in Nong Hai that have purchased old Russian made trucks, huge 4 X 4 diesel trucks that have been converted with flatbeds to carry rice. These trucks can tackle the roughest of hills and is able to cross the small rivers and valleys surrounding Nong Hai. These “trucks” will come to your farm, across the rivers, over the streams and way up into the hills where your rice is and mill your rice for you.  And they will also transport your rice home for a small fee. For every 35 bags of 120 lbs of rice, the truckers take 5 bags in payment.   

As I entered my Aunt’s house, a crowd of kids, 15-20 of them, followed me in. Everyone had a smile on their face, some were familiar and others I have never seen before. I quickly open my suitcase and tear open the box of candy bars I had bought with me. Soon, the box was empty; all 30 bars were given out.  A winter jacket for my Aunt, a MP3 player and digital camera for her sons, a wrist watch for my uncle and large bath towels for the whole family. Everyone got something and everyone had a smile, especially me.

That’s it for today…  More to come.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 18, 2013, 05:32:26 PM
You writers just LOVE to keep the suspense going huh?  ;D

HS - nothing intentional. Just busy.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 18, 2013, 05:40:02 PM
Sorry guys, my apologies, I meant to update you all, but I was just busy and seem to have a lot on my mind right now. Since being back, I have been miserable, most of which you can probably guess.  Let me tell you if you did not already know, long distance relationships is a beast, I applaud those that have done it or is doing it now. It is truly a testament to the power of love how anyone can endure such torture.

So to continue my little story… Accepting what is normal.

May’s mother called and said that she will be a couple of days late in coming to Nong Hai. May’s two uncles, the ones responsible for helping May’s Mother with our engagement negotiations, were still busy finishing harvesting rice.  Without them, May’s mother will not come, May tells me.  I was already scared and nervous as it was, and did not need to hear this. My uncle, Cheng, who was my point man for the engagement negotiations, was already in town, having to forego his own crops to be here.  But this was Laos, so, there was nothing to do, but wait. 

There is a lesson to be learned here. In Laos, time passes at a different rate or so it would seem to outsiders like us.  For those that lives off their calendars and due dates, you will be wise to leave your cares before coming to Laos. Here, there are no appointments, no expiration dates, and scheduling is unheard of.  Saturdays and Sundays are just another day in the week. You will never find “hours of operation” posted on any business and family get-togethers often happens at the drop of a hat. For me, this was the part of Laos that I relished and craved. I loved their slow and lay back approach.  They work when they have to and rest when they want to, it is that simple. I am tired of my deadlines, the due dates and scheduled events. I am tired of alarms clocks and meeting notices.

May and I spent the day just walking around her little town… just taking it all in.

Walking around May’s town is like walking into the past. Most of the bamboo houses still have bare floors with thatched roofs made of tall grasses.  The houses are small and built in random disorder. Every family has chickens in a chicken coop behind the house. Every family has a pile of wood for cooking and to keep warm. Every family has a clothes line, strung out rope that had been pieced together too many times to count.  And every family has a jackfruit tree.  Women still carries babies on their backs while doing their chores. Little kids, without pants on, still runs and digs in the dirt roads. Little old men can still be heard playing traditional Hmong music while sitting outside their front doors each morning. Groups of girls still walks, hand and hand, down dusty paths to fetch water and firewood.

Well, that’s it for today… I will update you all again, soon.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: boO on December 18, 2013, 06:14:15 PM
LHG!

Ohmyduckinggod!

I am so happy for you and May

Congratulation ...:)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on December 18, 2013, 06:55:43 PM
Sounds like you had a good time, and also met the right girl for you.

Happy for both of you. ;)

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 20, 2013, 02:04:42 PM
LHG!

Ohmyduckinggod!

I am so happy for you and May

Congratulation ...:)

Where have you been? LOL... I thought you would be first in line to give me a hug! Thank you very much! I hope and pray the same phrases can be return to you someday soon BOO!!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 20, 2013, 02:05:34 PM
Sounds like you had a good time, and also met the right girl for you.

Happy for both of you. ;)

Thanks buddy... thank you! If this distance don't kill me right away, I should be fine in a few months!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 20, 2013, 02:10:01 PM
Pulling Teeth….

The official rules regarding marriage of a Lao citizen to foreigners requires that you give an arm and a leg, or dam near to it, in my humble opinion.

The following documents must be provided to the provincial administrator, or in Vientiane, to the administrator of the Vientiane Prefecture. And it typically takes about 18 months to complete the process.

Application for marriage
Biographical details for pair intending to marry
Certificate of residence
Photocopy of identity card or passport
Certificate of no impediment (or evidence of single status)
Certificate of health
Character reference
4 x 6cm passport photographs
Certificate of financial status
Written statement guaranteeing return of Lao citizen to his/her homeland according to his/her wish in case of divorce.
Comments of Ministry of Foreign affairs of the Lao PDR.
Comments of the Police at the provincial or prefectural level
Comments of the Justice Service at the provincial or prefectural level.

For these reasons, most US citizens opt for a second option, engagement only.

http://youtu.be/pw_MGk8ywmY (http://youtu.be/pw_MGk8ywmY)

May’s mother arrived into town a little after 4:00 PM on my third day in None Hai.  I would guess that she’s only 4’9” and 120 lbs at best. Her face was round and worn down, her eyes are dark and she had straggly hair, like someone who had just woke up from an illness. She smiled as we greeted her in the middle of the dusty road climbing off a van that came all the way from Phonsavan. I was nervous; I wanted to give her a hug but did not know if it was appropriate. I almost reach out with my hand to give her a handshake, but that would seem odd too. So, I was stuck in that awkward situation where nothing happens and we just traded smiles.

May’s mother wanted 1500.00 US dollars, her asking price for May’s hand in marriage. From what my uncle tells me, this was normal, as May was married before. If I was a Hmong-Lao, only a feast was all that was needed for us be engaged in traditional Hmong culture. The price for a single woman, one who was never married before can easily cost between 5,000 to 7,000 dollars for her US husband. Most of this did not matter to me, not that money did not matter, I know who May was and that I loved her and wanted to marry her. I would have easily paid 10,000 dollars for May…  Thank God, they did not ask.

The engagement feast was small, only about 30 people total, between her family and mine. The main course was a Hmong pig, which had like 20 lbs of meat and 120 lbs of fat. Man, those things are fat! We ate and drank into the late evening. It feels weird being “attached” to someone again after being alone and single for so long… but as Taylor Swift once said, “it’s confusing, miserable, and magical in the best way”…

Well... that's it for today. I will have some final thoughts next time.

LHG


Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 20, 2013, 04:22:45 PM
Airport in Taiwan... 6 hours.
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/IMG_0020_zps3a9dae40.jpg)

Taiwan... still.
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/IMG_0017_zps5f8c3fd4.jpg)

Bowling in Laos??? You better believe it!
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/IMG_0164_zps7cfdc4e6.jpg)

May going for a strike!!!
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/IMG_0167_zpsf1f4f065.jpg)

Me going for a strike... NOT!
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/IMG_0166_zpsc6fdbbf7.jpg)

May and I at ITECC, bowling alley.
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/IMG_0169_zps44dcdd79.jpg)

May and I at Pha That Luang... famous temple in Vientiane, Laos
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/IMG_0151_zpsc421649b.jpg)

May at Pha That Luang...
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/IMG_0158_zps46bdff2e.jpg)

Me at Pha That Luang...
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/IMG_0160_zps2faeb823.jpg)

Going to the Night Market in Vientiane...
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/IMG_0117_zps6773677a.jpg)

May, the night I asked her to marry me...
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/IMG_0104_zps88894f41.jpg)

The exact spot I asked May to marry me...
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/IMG_0108_zps25c89f8f.jpg)

May and I at Anou... very hot day.
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/IMG_0085_zpsd681d541.jpg)

Lunch at Anou...
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/IMG_0121_zps07d7ce72.jpg)

Outside Talad Sao...
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/IMG_0048_zps61d34936.jpg)

Outside Talad Sao... 2
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/IMG_0039_zpscf66eb0b.jpg)

Outside Talad Sao... 3
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/IMG_0033_zpsaa76807c.jpg)

The Famous Talad Sao...
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/IMG_0028_zpsd0cf105a.jpg)

Talad Sao... from the outside.
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/IMG_0030_zps06455baf.jpg)

May and I in Vang Vieng...
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/DSCF4485_zps84ebd9a0.jpg)

May and I in Vang Vieng... 2
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/DSCF4650_zps79bd3510.jpg)

May and I in Phonsavan, New Years...
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/IMG_0249_zps73bd6463.jpg)

May and I, part of the crowd at New Years...
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/hern00/IMG_0225_zps400c5a34.jpg)

too many too post... sorry guys..

Happy Travels,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: theking on December 22, 2013, 01:50:13 AM
Airport in Taiwan... 6 hours

Happy Travels,

LHG

Good stuff man, thanks for sharing! And of course, big GRATS to you and your lovely bride! O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on December 23, 2013, 12:37:33 PM
nice pictures, thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MenyuamHmoob on December 24, 2013, 10:19:27 AM
LHG, It's too bad I couldn't make the trip to Laos this year.  Although i would like to add, when I do go next time, i want to go to the remote hills/villages in Laos.  Places where there's no electricity, no cars, no big markets (like KM52/Phounsavan).

Thanks for sharing all the wonderful experiences you and May had in Laos.  I am happy for you brother!  You followed your heart (mind too, of course) and didn't let any bad stereotypes about marrying abroad bring you down.  I'm sure your stories and experiences have and will continue to inspire many lost souls out there (ahem ahem, myself).  Best of wishes to your new found purpose/life/marriage.  O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 24, 2013, 11:50:48 AM
Great pix. Thanks for sharing a little memory with us.

Thank you HS... the journey is just beginning and I am very hopeful.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 24, 2013, 11:51:43 AM
Good stuff man, thanks for sharing! And of course, big GRATS to you and your lovely bride! O0

Thanks King... hopefully everything will go as plan.

Thanks again,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 24, 2013, 11:52:22 AM
nice pictures, thanks for sharing.

Baddabing... for you, always happy to share.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 24, 2013, 11:54:03 AM
LHG, It's too bad I couldn't make the trip to Laos this year.  Although i would like to add, when I do go next time, i want to go to the remote hills/villages in Laos.  Places where there's no electricity, no cars, no big markets (like KM52/Phounsavan).

Thanks for sharing all the wonderful experiences you and May had in Laos.  I am happy for you brother!  You followed your heart (mind too, of course) and didn't let any bad stereotypes about marrying abroad bring you down.  I'm sure your stories and experiences have and will continue to inspire many lost souls out there (ahem ahem, myself).  Best of wishes to your new found purpose/life/marriage.  O0

Thank you brother... coming from you, this means a lot to me. As always, I appreciate the support and encouragement. Thank you again for all the well wishes and the best of luck to you.

Your Friend Always,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: couchpotato on December 24, 2013, 11:56:37 AM
Congrats LHG! Best of luck to you and May!

Thanks for sharing pictures.

The Taiwan terminal has been updated since I was last through there.  :D Those tables weren't there before.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 24, 2013, 11:57:46 AM
Final thoughts…  Part 1

This December marked 4 years since my ex-wife walked out our door for the last time and our eventual divorce. It is an anniversary that I usually remember, but not an event that I tend to dwell upon, until this year. This year, the memories of the death of my first marriage were lingering at the forefront of my mind.

Maybe it’s because I saw my ex wife with her new husband for the first time this fall. Maybe it is because of my engagement to May and realizing how far I have come. Whatever the reason, it caused me to reflect on what I have learned in the past 4 years.

My ex-wife and I met in High School, when I was a junior and her, a senior. We only dated for few months and got married. I think on so many levels, even then, that we should have never gotten married, that things weren’t that great, but as the years passed, we grow comfortable in our ways.

Things were ok for awhile, and outwardly we seemed happy. We started a family, I had a stable job and she took care of things at home. Inside, however, things were crumbling. We kept trying to put the pieces back together, but every time we tried to hold firm, things only dissolved into another fight and argument, each cutting deeper than the last. Towards the end we barely spoke, each going to bed at different times, taking separate vacations and sleeping in separate rooms. Eventually, I got up the nerves to call it quits. She did not agree at first and blamed me for everything. But honestly, I think my decision to move on was the best thing that could have happen to the both of us.

So here I am, 4 years later, older and with a few gray hairs now, looking back at that time in my life and thinking to myself…

Was it painful, OMG, yes! It was probably the lowest point in my life! Was creating a new life scary?  Terrifying to my core, for sure! Would I do it again? You bet, without a second thought. Staying in that relationship was killing us both. My life now is vastly different from what I thought it was supposed to be back then. I could never in a billion years have planned for my life to be the way it is now.

I had to let go and for me letting go meant letting go of people’s expectations about what my life should be. It was hard and it felt like everything I knew was falling apart, my world crumbled around me.  Friends, relationships, and my roles in life, it was all gone. My only foundation in life was me, my values and beliefs… My one advice to you, know what’s important in your life and you  can make the right choice, even when it’s hard.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 24, 2013, 11:59:46 AM
Congrats LHG! Best of luck to you and May!

Thanks for sharing pictures.

The Taiwan terminal has been updated since I was last through there.  :D Those tables weren't there before.

More construction are in the works... looks like more shops and update shops buddy. Wish you could have been there with me.

Thank you for the well wishes,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: couchpotato on December 24, 2013, 12:02:34 PM
More construction are in the works... looks like more shops and update shops buddy. Wish you could have been there with me.

Thank you for the well wishes,

LHG

Had I known you had that long of a layover in Taiwan, we could have met up and I could have congratulated you personally! :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: unsung_hero on December 25, 2013, 10:45:09 PM
LHG,

I've been following your post for a while now.  Thanks for sharing your experience with us.  You sound like a mature, thoughtful, intelligent, and straightforwar d person. 

We share many similarities in our journeys, so I can understand everything that you talked about.  I too married overseas.  I was once married to a woman here in the US.  We only lasted a year, then divorced.  I was 25 at the time, so I remained single for about 7 years.  Marriage is a really big commitment, so you really have to be ready and your soon to be spouse has to be compatible.  I married my wife in Laos, and I just went to get her this past spring.  I have no regrets.  She really is a blessing in my life.  My marriage now totally different from my first one....its like night and day.  There are a lot of girls overseas, and they are not that bad as some say.  Don't get me wrong here.....there are a lot of scandalous ones.  I know this well because I have been there several times.  But you really have to take the time to meet the right one and get to know her and her family.   

When I went to Laos my first time....I didnt go there looking for a wife.   I only went there to visit my father's grave and do ceremonies for a couple of weeks.  Visiting laos is an amazing journey.  I fell in love with the lifestyle there.....the people, food, weather, how relaxing it is, everything.  Its not perfect, but you appreciate all the good and bad.  Good luck to you and May.  If you need any advice on the Immigration paperwork, feel free to ask or pm me.   
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 26, 2013, 01:04:08 AM
Had I known you had that long of a layover in Taiwan, we could have met up and I could have congratulated you personally! :)

Hahahaha.... Man, I could have used the company. Don't ever let this out, but I was still crying by the time I got to Taiwan. I feel they will come after my man card soon.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 26, 2013, 01:08:35 AM
LHG,

I've been following your post for a while now.  Thanks for sharing your experience with us.  You sound like a mature, thoughtful, intelligent, and straightforwar d person. 

We share many similarities in our journeys, so I can understand everything that you talked about.  I too married overseas.  I was once married to a woman here in the US.  We only lasted a year, then divorced.  I was 25 at the time, so I remained single for about 7 years.  Marriage is a really big commitment, so you really have to be ready and your soon to be spouse has to be compatible.  I married my wife in Laos, and I just went to get her this past spring.  I have no regrets.  She really is a blessing in my life.  My marriage now totally different from my first one....its like night and day.  There are a lot of girls overseas, and they are not that bad as some say.  Don't get me wrong here.....there are a lot of scandalous ones.  I know this well because I have been there several times.  But you really have to take the time to meet the right one and get to know her and her family.   

When I went to Laos my first time....I didnt go there looking for a wife.   I only went there to visit my father's grave and do ceremonies for a couple of weeks.  Visiting laos is an amazing journey.  I fell in love with the lifestyle there.....the people, food, weather, how relaxing it is, everything.  Its not perfect, but you appreciate all the good and bad.  Good luck to you and May.  If you need any advice on the Immigration paperwork, feel free to ask or pm me.

Hero,

I appreciate the feedback and thank you for sharing your story. It's good to know I am not alone in my struggles, challenges and triumphs. Truly, thank you for your understanding and support. And Yes, I will take you up on your offer. If I have any questions, you'll be first on my list.

LHG

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 26, 2013, 01:09:25 AM
Final Thoughts… Part 2.

From Nong Hai, after our engagement party, May and I went up to Vang Vieng… a sleepy little town, a town that until just a few years ago was unknown to the outside world.  All of that changed about 10 years ago, when western teenagers, mostly English speaking backpackers, started to flood this beautiful little village by the Nan Song River. First, they came for the white water tubing and rock climbing, and then it was cheap alcohol and partying. Now, they come for the drugs, women, and all things pleasurable. 

Earlier last year, after the deaths of several backpackers, most of which were drugs or alcohol related, and with intense pressure from Western countries, the Laotian government has promised to bring Vang Vieng back to its’ roots.  Gone are the riverside bars and swimming holes, gone are the swing ropes and endless drinking, and gone are the horde of white teenagers that once flocked this little village. Sure, there are still bars and restaurant, sure there are still drugs and alcohol and sure there are still backpackers, but it is nothing like it was just 2 years ago.

May and I were in Vang Vieng for 3 days, then it was off to Phonsavan, Xieng khouang for that start of Hmong New Year in Laos. Phonsavan, by contrast, sits on a high plateau with gentle rolling hills. The land nearby lacks nutrient and is not suitable for farming. Those that must farm for a living, must travel for a long distance or have a second home in the nearby mountain villages to the south. Here, in Phonsavan, cattle and the business of raising cattle rules… if you’re lucky, you may even see a “Hmong cowboy” or two riding their horses in the surrounding hills! Phonsavan is also famous for the plains of jars… if you don’t know what they are, look it up or better yet, take a trip there. You won’t be disappointed.

May grow up in this town and from what I can tell, she misses it. I think she misses this place for the very same reasons I miss California. May grew up here, she has friends and family here but most importantly she lost her innocence and youth here.  We were in Phonsavan for 5 days.

After our 5th day in Phonsavan, it was back down to Vientiane for an overnight stay and then to the airport, because it was time to leave May and come home.

That’s it for tonight guys… Merry Christmas and talk to you again soon.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: PRINCESS. on December 26, 2013, 03:12:44 AM
Congrats dude!! Did you bring her home yet?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: MnKing on December 26, 2013, 10:10:41 AM
LHG,

Same here, I had been following your posts for about two years now.  Your blogs had got my interests and I became a member of PM. First off, I want to thank you for your wonderful story telling of all the things in your life for the past couple of years. I, myself, love to write and tell stories. Unfortunately, most of my great works had been devour in relationships past. But I can appreciate such work... when I see it!

After unsung_hero recent reply to your post, I am find it compelling and part of my duty to finally add something and respond to the wonderful stories
that you had shared and provided as a gift to us.

I too was once married and divorced in mutual matter... Pretty much the same situation as what you went through, no one really understood and all my
relatives and friends can't understand why two people so loving, caring and with full understanding about life cannot work it out. Some of my closest friends had tried to reconcile our differences and had us try to get back together, but it never worked out. There were no cheating, argument or even one foul word  said on either side during the marriage. Unfortunately, it was like that poem/proverb, if you love someone set them free and if they come back it was meant to be.

Unfortunately, our future plans of getting back never came to fruition... I had also vacationed in Laos back 2008 with some reluctance, but my good friend had offered a refund if I didn't enjoy it. Well, I spent the first week regretting it and spent the time jogging, reading, listening to music and just enjoying the surrounding. On my second week, I was lucky enough to meet my wife. We hit it off, like it was something that was meant to be... I had never imagine that I would meet someone over seas with my education, life's experience, belief and notion of marrying someone that younger then me...

I don't know if you believe in God or a higher being, to me, it's was a surreal happening of events that had enlighten my true understanding of the "meaning of life" after going through my own ordeal. My eyes and heart had open to previous prejudgement and prejudice paths/beliefs that I thought would never happen in my life as if it were some unforgotten road that I had missed. I can honestly tell you that the adjustments, living under rumors and self expectation has nothing or no account and worth in the life that you want to shape. Neglect those negative things, just hold on to the true values that you want to uphold and practice as we meander through this life.

Take heed and paid no such attention to such... The most important thing for you should know... is your future with May. My only advice to you is that you had found something special, make the most out of it. I had been officially married to my wife for 4 years now, we have the biggest treasure of our life and that is  raising my 3-year-old son. Everyday, he reminds me to continue to hold onto all those things that I believe in most and make sure I don't stray from them, because his future depends on it.

My wife got her citizenship just this last year and we are planning to re-visit Laos this coming new year. I am normally a private person like you, I believe this and know, because you write so well... I want to make sure that you know my story is also true... I just want to hint out that I am married to Lab Lauj from Nasala. Before I depart, on behalf of everyone, I want to thank you for taking the time and opportunity to share your story with us. Just to let you know, we are 110% behind you and wish you and May the very best in your future together.

Just to answer your self questions/doubts... There are many roads to take in life, if something makes you happy and is right... Go on, take that road what are you waiting for. Your only responsibility is stay convicted to that road and make it flourish, so you can build you future on it. Take good care, God Bless and CONGRATS!!!


MnKing
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: boO on December 26, 2013, 02:17:05 PM
Unsung hero and mnking.. Thanks for sharing your stories. I wish nothing but happiness for you two.

-

LHG, my friend, I guess you're not so lonely anymore. When I read your wonderful news I did a little happy dance.

:)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 26, 2013, 05:04:57 PM
Congrats dude!! Did you bring her home yet?

Gnam,

Thank you for stopping by and thank you for the well wishes. I am starting the paper work now and we will see how it goes. Wish me luck!

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 26, 2013, 05:09:09 PM
LHG,

Same here, I had been following your posts for about two years now.  Your blogs had got my interests and I became a member of PM. First off, I want to thank you for your wonderful story telling of all the things in your life for the past couple of years. I, myself, love to write and tell stories. Unfortunately, most of my great works had been devour in relationships past. But I can appreciate such work... when I see it!

After unsung_hero recent reply to your post, I am find it compelling and part of my duty to finally add something and respond to the wonderful stories
that you had shared and provided as a gift to us.

I too was once married and divorced in mutual matter... Pretty much the same situation as what you went through, no one really understood and all my
relatives and friends can't understand why two people so loving, caring and with full understanding about life cannot work it out. Some of my closest friends had tried to reconcile our differences and had us try to get back together, but it never worked out. There were no cheating, argument or even one foul word  said on either side during the marriage. Unfortunately, it was like that poem/proverb, if you love someone set them free and if they come back it was meant to be.

Unfortunately, our future plans of getting back never came to fruition... I had also vacationed in Laos back 2008 with some reluctance, but my good friend had offered a refund if I didn't enjoy it. Well, I spent the first week regretting it and spent the time jogging, reading, listening to music and just enjoying the surrounding. On my second week, I was lucky enough to meet my wife. We hit it off, like it was something that was meant to be... I had never imagine that I would meet someone over seas with my education, life's experience, belief and notion of marrying someone that younger then me...

I don't know if you believe in God or a higher being, to me, it's was a surreal happening of events that had enlighten my true understanding of the "meaning of life" after going through my own ordeal. My eyes and heart had open to previous prejudgement and prejudice paths/beliefs that I thought would never happen in my life as if it were some unforgotten road that I had missed. I can honestly tell you that the adjustments, living under rumors and self expectation has nothing or no account and worth in the life that you want to shape. Neglect those negative things, just hold on to the true values that you want to uphold and practice as we meander through this life.

Take heed and paid no such attention to such... The most important thing for you should know... is your future with May. My only advice to you is that you had found something special, make the most out of it. I had been officially married to my wife for 4 years now, we have the biggest treasure of our life and that is  raising my 3-year-old son. Everyday, he reminds me to continue to hold onto all those things that I believe in most and make sure I don't stray from them, because his future depends on it.

My wife got her citizenship just this last year and we are planning to re-visit Laos this coming new year. I am normally a private person like you, I believe this and know, because you write so well... I want to make sure that you know my story is also true... I just want to hint out that I am married to Lab Lauj from Nasala. Before I depart, on behalf of everyone, I want to thank you for taking the time and opportunity to share your story with us. Just to let you know, we are 110% behind you and wish you and May the very best in your future together.

Just to answer your self questions/doubts... There are many roads to take in life, if something makes you happy and is right... Go on, take that road what are you waiting for. Your only responsibility is stay convicted to that road and make it flourish, so you can build you future on it. Take good care, God Bless and CONGRATS!!!


MnKing

King-

Thank you so much, not only for your kind words but also for sharing your story. I know most people in our situation are reluctant to share their stories.... for whatever reason. I do truly appreciate your honesty and your willingness to share here. I will take your advice to heart and keep my head up. Thank you again and good luck to you as well.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on December 26, 2013, 05:21:00 PM
Final Thoughts… At Journeys End.

It has been a year since we met....I truly wish I could use our real names here. May’s name is fitting and cute for her. However, I know May is a conservative person and I will respect her modesty.

Believe it or not, but my blog has always been about the journey, finding one’s way, and finding one’s courage to do the unthinkable. I was very fortunate to have met May along my journey to find myself. Some might say it was meant to be and others would toss it aside as pure luck. Call it what you will, but I am a different person today because of her and for that, I am most grateful.

The weather had changed, there was frost on the grass that last morning, and it was cold in Phonsavan. We boarded the 7 AM bus to Vientiane. All my aunts and uncles came to say good bye that cold morning and each family handed us a small bag with a chicken and some rice. I could not help but wonder if this will be the last time I will ever see them again. I wonder if I will ever pass this way again. I gave everyone a hug as the last call to board was announced.

May and I spoke very little during the 9 hour ride from Phonsavan to Vientiane. 9 hours might seem long, but when you’re handed what seemed like a death sentence, it was a very fast trip indeed. We arrived at the bus station in Vientiane a little after 4 PM and then it was a quick Tuk-Tuk ride to our hotel, the very same hotel I had checked in a few weeks earlier.

We decided to have dinner down by the river, in an Indian restaurant near the Night Market. I have never seen her so down and sad looking. Her usually laughter and infectious smile was gone. Her glow that I have come so accustomed to seeing was nowhere to be found. I could only imagine the pain she must have felt. I could only wish to find the words to comfort and sooth her, but sometimes there’s just not enough words in this world.

Morning came very early as it always does when you least wants it to. With my 2 luggage stuffed and zipped, we headed towards Wattay Airport. We arrived at the airport a little before noon, part of my plan to have lunch with May and my cousins at the all-you-can-eat buffet inside Wattay Airport. My plane leaves at 2:30 PM, which should give us plenty of time to eat. For 80,000 kips or about 10 USD per person, you get a western style all you can eat buffet. The Buffet itself was not very good and the food selection was somewhat limited by US standards. The main course was fried chicken and grilled pork and small strips of very tough steak. However, they did have a made to order papaya salad station and a soda fountain. I ate very little.

2:00 came and it was time to board my plane. Standing there, in front of the immigration clerk, while holding May, I felt the most unbearable pain of my life.  Who knew I would come to love this person so much. Every memory of every hour of the past four weeks came rushing in… I held and kissed May as the last boarding call was announced. “Don’t go too long”, May whispered again. “I love you”, I shouted back… and then she was gone.

My story crosses the expanse of 2 years. For some, 2 years is a drop of water in the deep blue sea, for others, 2 years is a lifetime. I have always hope for the best, putting my thoughts on paper for you, however sometimes there are no words that can explain what is supposed to come naturally. I created this blog as a message in a bottle and throwing it into the vast ocean of the Internet. Perhaps it will touch someone and stir in them the same passion to travel as I have travelled. In any case, it has helped me personally to just write about my experiences. In some cases what was hoped to be something great did not always go well and God knows there are still many more challenges ahead for me. I begin with the journey taken, and at the end there are questions yet to be answered. Only time will tell if it was worth it.

One ending is just the next step in a new beginning. It is time to go on with your own journey; you must seek your dreams too. You have waited long enough for something that isn’t going to be more.

Until next time… to all my friends, take care.  I will be busy for awhile and will not be updating this blog any longer. For those that have my personal email, you can always find me there.

Happy Travels,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: unsung_hero on December 27, 2013, 04:32:26 AM
LHG,

You are only at the beginning of your journey.  The most difficult part is yet to come.  Your experience is unique so don't pay any heed to what people say.  Follow your heart, be strong, believe in yourself and stay true to yourself, live your life for YOU, make choices that reflect your values, beliefs, and GOAL...which is your wife.  Re-assure your wife, show her that you trust in her, be smart about the relationship, you will call her a lot, talk to her like she is there in person, don't stray, and above all....think positive.  When all is said and done, it will be well worth it...you will see.   

Its a given that most people will not understand what you are going through.  From what I've seen.......a lot of us 25-35 year old guys that make this choice are very mature, intelligent, and successful.... .and we just don't want to settle for whatever, we need to seek it, and WIN IT.  Remember it takes "A LOT" of money to go through this....and no broke Joe is gonna want to shell it out for a woman from a third world country.   

There are a few of us (and growing) that have taken that journey and gotten through like mnking, myself, and others.    Seek these people out for support, advice, and resources.  Also check out this website:  www.visajourney.com (http://www.visajourney.com).  It has a wealth of information. 

Last but not least, your writing skills are excellent and really paints a picture for the reader.  I've been to many of the places you talked about and damn it......its exactly like how you described it.  I wish I can transfer my thoughts like you can, but Im not much of a writer.  You need to write a book or something in the future.   


Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on January 22, 2014, 08:24:11 PM
so when will May be reuniting with you here in the US?

Love happy endings.... so romantic how you found each other.  May your life together be filled with happiness and many children. 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on January 22, 2014, 08:26:42 PM
LHG,

You are only at the beginning of your journey.  The most difficult part is yet to come.  Your experience is unique so don't pay any heed to what people say.  Follow your heart, be strong, believe in yourself and stay true to yourself, live your life for YOU, make choices that reflect your values, beliefs, and GOAL...which is your wife.  Re-assure your wife, show her that you trust in her, be smart about the relationship, you will call her a lot, talk to her like she is there in person, don't stray, and above all....think positive.  When all is said and done, it will be well worth it...you will see.   

Its a given that most people will not understand what you are going through.  From what I've seen.......a lot of us 25-35 year old guys that make this choice are very mature, intelligent, and successful.... .and we just don't want to settle for whatever, we need to seek it, and WIN IT.  Remember it takes "A LOT" of money to go through this....and no broke Joe is gonna want to shell it out for a woman from a third world country.   

There are a few of us (and growing) that have taken that journey and gotten through like mnking, myself, and others.    Seek these people out for support, advice, and resources.  Also check out this website:  www.visajourney.com (http://www.visajourney.com).  It has a wealth of information. 

Last but not least, your writing skills are excellent and really paints a picture for the reader.  I've been to many of the places you talked about and damn it......its exactly like how you described it.  I wish I can transfer my thoughts like you can, but Im not much of a writer.  You need to write a book or something in the future.   




i'm happy to see that the younger people are doing this now... finding love there.... sometimes that's the best route. 

in fact i think that singles here should go there more often to find love ones....those who can afford to go of course.   O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on January 23, 2014, 01:38:10 PM
LHG,

You are only at the beginning of your journey.  The most difficult part is yet to come.  Your experience is unique so don't pay any heed to what people say.  Follow your heart, be strong, believe in yourself and stay true to yourself, live your life for YOU, make choices that reflect your values, beliefs, and GOAL...which is your wife.  Re-assure your wife, show her that you trust in her, be smart about the relationship, you will call her a lot, talk to her like she is there in person, don't stray, and above all....think positive.  When all is said and done, it will be well worth it...you will see.   

Its a given that most people will not understand what you are going through.  From what I've seen.......a lot of us 25-35 year old guys that make this choice are very mature, intelligent, and successful.... .and we just don't want to settle for whatever, we need to seek it, and WIN IT.  Remember it takes "A LOT" of money to go through this....and no broke Joe is gonna want to shell it out for a woman from a third world country.   

There are a few of us (and growing) that have taken that journey and gotten through like mnking, myself, and others.    Seek these people out for support, advice, and resources.  Also check out this website:  www.visajourney.com (http://www.visajourney.com).  It has a wealth of information. 

Last but not least, your writing skills are excellent and really paints a picture for the reader.  I've been to many of the places you talked about and damn it......its exactly like how you described it.  I wish I can transfer my thoughts like you can, but Im not much of a writer.  You need to write a book or something in the future.   

Hero...

I appreciate your honesty and support. Some readers don't have the background that you and I share so I greatly value what you have to say and all your comments are welcome.

I am just starting the paperwork process and you're correct, it looks to be a beast. I pray that I will get it done and ready soon as I am miserable right now. This long distance is slowing killing me. May does not mention it and I know she is a strong person by nature, but I too know that she is hurting on the inside right now. Whatever good fortune you can spare, shoot them my way.

Again, thank you for all the words of encouragement. I will keep them with me always.


LHG


Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on January 23, 2014, 01:47:50 PM
i'm happy to see that the younger people are doing this now... finding love there.... sometimes that's the best route. 

in fact i think that singles here should go there more often to find love ones....those who can afford to go of course.   O0

Love and Lust are two different things... and I am afraid that Laos or the image of Laos has forever been tarnished because of a few individuals. Yes, while there I did see some relationships that I would consider questionable.. . and yes there are those people that are just out there to have a good time. But as you have seen, there are a few of us that are genuine... I do agree with you to a point, those that can afford to go, should go. BUT, don't just go to find love, you will be doing yourself a huge disservice.

Go to find yourself, go to be in a new place, go to explode what you have heard so much about, go find your roots and go because IT is Laos. Love will follow if you let it.

LHG

Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on January 23, 2014, 01:58:13 PM
Hello All,

I hope this message finds everyone and finds everyone well. A very Happy New Year to you and yours. It makes me happy to see there are still people contributing to this BLOG and that people are still reading it.

It has been crazy for me... but crazy good. I have been very busy dealing paper work and with my job. Hopefully I will have some good news to share with you all in a few months. That's all I can say for now.

Again, thank you all for your continue support and patronage.

Talk to you soon,

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on January 23, 2014, 04:11:41 PM
Love and Lust are two different things... and I am afraid that Laos or the image of Laos has forever been tarnished because of a few individuals. Yes, while there I did see some relationships that I would consider questionable.. . and yes there are those people that are just out there to have a good time. But as you have seen, there are a few of us that are genuine... I do agree with you to a point, those that can afford to go, should go. BUT, don't just go to find love, you will be doing yourself a huge disservice.

Go to find yourself, go to be in a new place, go to explode what you have heard so much about, go find your roots and go because IT is Laos. Love will follow if you let it.

LHG



everyone has their own agenda.  but i know many young men my age or younger marrying girls overseas.  and it's great to see them happy.  everyone deserves happiness and to share their lives with someone they love. 

i remember one young man in his early 20s.... took him a year for his wife to get to US.... but they are happy now.

hope that May won't have to wait too long.  best times are to come for you two.  may your life be filled with much happiness.  ;)  take good care of her.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: SAGE on April 07, 2014, 02:07:21 AM
Tus nus Lonely,

I stumbled upon your PH thread by coincidence, while I was doing a search on Nonehai (Nonhai?) Village in Laos. :)  Twas late (1 AM CST here), and believe it or not, I ended up reading your entire thread.  :D ;D

VERY interesting read.  Thank you for sharing...  May you and your new love be blessed with a fairytale life to no end. :)

It appears that you have close relatives in Nonhai.  I have an important favor to ask of you...  Please see your pm. :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on April 15, 2014, 10:21:50 AM
Tus nus Lonely,

I stumbled upon your PH thread by coincidence, while I was doing a search on Nonehai (Nonhai?) Village in Laos. :)  Twas late (1 AM CST here), and believe it or not, I ended up reading your entire thread.  :D ;D

VERY interesting read.  Thank you for sharing...  May you and your new love be blessed with a fairytale life to no end. :)

It appears that you have close relatives in Nonhai.  I have an important favor to ask of you...  Please see your pm. :)

Are you looking for a wife/husband and needs referral?  :)
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Sith on May 21, 2014, 03:50:40 PM
any update(s) yet?
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: yoursunrise4ever on January 06, 2015, 08:48:36 AM
Dear LonelyHmongGuy,

It's been almost a year and I was just wondering what's happening in your life. Were you able to get May over? Did you go back and visit her?
Miss conversing with you about life. Hope everything is going well for you.

Take care,

Yoursunrise
 
 
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: AOZ on January 31, 2015, 10:10:18 AM
Dear LonelyHmongGuy,

It's been almost a year and I was just wondering what's happening in your life. Were you able to get May over? Did you go back and visit her?
Miss conversing with you about life. Hope everything is going well for you.

Take care,

Yoursunrise

well... you can assume his and mai's story would end like how all relationships involving mekas teb and nploj teb end....or begin...... she's prolly already here.... adjusting to mekas life... while he's still working... and they prolly epecting their first child together right now..... happiness is in the air.    O0
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: baddabing on February 13, 2015, 09:50:51 AM
Love and Lust are two different things... and I am afraid that Laos or the image of Laos has forever been tarnished because of a few individuals. Yes, while there I did see some relationships that I would consider questionable.. . and yes there are those people that are just out there to have a good time. But as you have seen, there are a few of us that are genuine... I do agree with you to a point, those that can afford to go, should go. BUT, don't just go to find love, you will be doing yourself a huge disservice.

Go to find yourself, go to be in a new place, go to explode what you have heard so much about, go find your roots and go because IT is Laos. Love will follow if you let it.

LHG

I agree, my visit to laos was a life changing experience for me, as it would be traveling to any other different countries with different cultures.
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Envy2 on February 13, 2015, 04:39:47 PM
Bring lots of condoms..and visit the red light district often!
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Sith on May 01, 2015, 02:26:48 PM

been a year...any news/updates ???
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Kua_Txob_Liab on May 07, 2015, 12:20:11 PM
OMG!!!  Has it crossed anyone's mind that, maybe LHG was actually ALAIN LEE!?!?!?!  :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: LonelyHmgGuy on September 12, 2019, 05:33:57 PM
OMG... this is still here?

Hello all my PH Buddies.  Who's still here, please shout out if you're still around. I am tempted to update you all.

LHG
Title: Re: Going to Laos... For Dummies (Like Me)
Post by: Dok_Champa on September 17, 2019, 11:08:35 AM
Unless you say delete it'll still be here I'm thinking.  I'm also thinking you're probably not the lonely Hmong guy anymore :)